Back in the day, Hogan said, “the secret is in the dirt.” Today, ECog, shares the secret on YT. The secret shared in this video has finally cured my slice. I now enjoy hitting driver. I even hit a 280 yard strait drive this last week. My overall swing has improved by watching your videos. Thank you!
Love to hear that!!! Secret will always be in the dirt (the work and experimentation) but with modern technology I'm sure Mr.Hogan would have took full advantage and worded that a bit different :)
This is by-far the best advice I have ever been told in all the years I have been playing golf and getting golf instruction from many golf teachers. I put it to the test and it WORKS! Thank you Eric!!
Love your videos - there is soooo much out there that it can almost ruin golf for people - but it's about finding who and what works for you and sticking with it, and I have to say your videos and style certainly work for me - thank you.
I've been trying to shallow the club for the last year ! I've watched video after video ... I have a Great golf coach who teaches me drills ... nothing has worked ! This is the first time it has clicked in my head ! It actually made sooo much sense ! Thank you so much ..... 10 handicap from utah ...
This is the best description of every movement for the start of the downswing. I've fought the the shaft steepening for 57 years and this is the best description of how to shallow and square. It's great that you said who this is not applicable for.
I had been struggling with my swing for months and my confidence had reached an all time low. I knew I had to square the clubface and swing from the inside more (based on a lesson I had received) but easier said than done. I watched this video the night before my round today (a potentially dangerous thing to do!) and suddenly things clicked in terms of squaring the club face and my ball striking. It felt great!! Thank you so much for all the help and advice you provide. I am enjoying golf again 😃
im looking forward to trying this shallowing technique......i like the way you explain things....i have a feeling this is gonna be a game changer for me....this is the first video of yours ive watched and it wont be the last as a new subscriber !!
This is an insane amount of subconscious information. It’s wildly impressive how great he explains it - he’s teaching everyone the move even if they’re already doing it.
It works! After shoulder surgery a few years ago, I began to lay the club off when taking it back. This caused an over the top move coming down. I would then wrestle the club back into the slot to prevent pushes and weak fades. By the time I hit the ball, all of the energy of the swing was lost, and my distance suffered. With the move taught in this video, I am once again carrying my 7 iron 165 to 170 yards with a 20 degree launch angle and a sweet little draw. I am 69 years old with a handicap index of 6.2.
My swing is finally coming together. This was the only missing piece I had a question on and you made the perfect video for it. Seriously exactly what I needed and you explained it so well. Thank you!! I subscribed.
How any golfer could watch this video and not improve is basically impossible. I would add and emphasize Eric's comment that if you want to incorporate these movements if you're coming from being a slicer - listen to Eric and do these movements initially VERY SLOWLY, over & over & over while hitting golf balls - you cannot exagerate this movement enough at the beginning. Once you get the 'feel' of the club from steep to shallow WITH THE HANDS TWISTING THE CLUB 'closed', it will be the greatest moment in your golfing life. Another Great video Eric.
Love this! Worked on it this week and literally changed my swing. I’ve been lost since having my second kid without the practice and doing this got me back on track. Now I just need to tweak my backswing
This was a great video. Im struggling to square the face now but ive got the shallow part right and im shooting shots straight right. just need more reps
This is the imagery I needed ! In ten swings I went from constantly hooking my 8 iron 140 yard to dead straight 165 yards. No more over the top (finally). Great presentation Eric. Thanks !
I had great results feeling like left forearm faces sky on downswing. I tend to overhook my irons. This had them going straight and much higher. I have a strong grip btw. I'm normally pretty steep on downswing. On video trying this it was slight but the shaft did shallow. Nice sight to see! Thanks
Great vid Eric. Those that are steep in the downswing manipulate it to get into that position. Might as well work on a proper move to manipulate it to get it under !
Fantastic video. I hit pull hooks from a steep shaft position. I'm really going to work on this! Would it be reasonable to say that a grip more in the fingers would help with the swallowing move?
Great explanation! Let's see if I can make this work on the range. If my natural shape is already a draw, what are the other benefits of working on shallowing the downswing?
Thanks! Well that depends really on several factors. It depends on HOW you draw? Do you draw with a steep shaft early, but then shallow late? This would include likely early extension, contact issues and issues with pushes/over draws. shallow early allows you to have good body motions through the ball. Enables you to turn and tilt appropriately to tighten the dispersion, limit your misses.
Thank you Eric. I’ve struggled with a too steep downswing for a while now and it really killed my last season. Couldn’t get my head around it so I really hope this helps. Any other recommendations/videos? Also looking at becoming a member at your site
My pleasure! See if these help....they are more drill oriented th-cam.com/video/APsIJ4M2oSY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/jI5TRIbVuAY/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/PjUCfzMmM48/w-d-xo.html
Thanks Eric, this video does help me a lot. One question, since the could face is square after we twist our wrist, do we still need to do the left forearm rotation? If so, what’s the purpose of the forearm rotation?
I’ve tried the bowing of the left wrist and cannot do it. But being right hand dominate, that was a great piece to add. I never thought about how to do it with the right wrist until now. That is a lot easier for me.
Curl the knuckles under at the top, or ... you can curl the knuckles in the takeaway...and maybe shoot 20 under at the Masters. (kidding) Good info. Great video and explanation. Working the knuckles after the shaft is laid down seems the best way, logical. BTW, your belt buckle down reminder tip is gold for the guy who stands up .... it even helps prevent sliding in my case. Thanks.
Hi Eric! This video has truly changed my game so thank you! My question is: When I incorporate the wrist flexion part of this move into my driver is it appropriate to feel like I REALLY need to curl my wrist to square the face. As in much more than my irons. Am I relying too much on that single move to get the face square?
Hey Jessie! That would be fine. I would need to see your swing on video to answer any specific questions on your swing. Feel free to join www.cogornogolf.com so you can send me your swing
Amazingly Eric, I was actually pondering this very thing of shallowing versus club face after practice today. You brought the answer to my equation right away! Thanks a million! Best regards
Thank you Eric for wonderful lesson. curl the knuckle down feels magnificent!! One thing I am confusing is the Mike Malaska's so called malaska move Because it feels comfortable for me when starting down swing I shallow(down) my arm and after that I do the Malaska move. Is there Big difference between the two type down swing? or is it the same?
Nice video, I come over the top a bit after watching my swing on video. So I tried your technique and I feel a lost of power and feel a bit like I hit it fat. Any thoughts to what I might be doing to make this happen. It's hard to keep trying something when you don't see the results, but I know when you change something it takes time. Thanks again.
Thanks! I would need to see your swing on video to see exactly what's happening. Feel free to join www.cogornogolf.com and send me your videos there so I can help if you dont get it sorted
Thanks for the video Eric. Is it ok if I manipulate my wrists (to square the club face) on the down swing rather than at the top of my swing? Getting my wrists in that position at the top of the swing is uncomfortable but I think I can do it during the down swing. Is that ok? Thanks
hey eric this is great insight. But FYI I find this move one of the hardest to copy...any further tricks to getting this feel ? (back of hand more to sky and knuckles curled under)
Hey Simon! For sure....lots of options if you search my name and "shallow" we have a bunch Here are more right side and left side feels: th-cam.com/video/UHC5qMughtg/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/VWXiaem09Co/w-d-xo.html
Hey Eric.. So, after I manipulate the wrists as you prescribe on the back swing, at impact I have to manipulate the wrists back more towards the way they were at setup position? I guess what I'm asking is, squaring the club face isn't automatic when shallowing the back swing, it has to be consciously done at impact? Thanks.. Great videos..
Hey Carlson! As with all things golf and life. If you currently do a move WITHOUT THOUGHT and you accomplish what you are looking to accomplish then NO it does not require any "manipulation". BUT IF you current do a move WITHOUT THOUGHT and you DO NOT accomplish what you are looking to accomplish then OF COURSE you need to consciously "manipulate" SOMETHING or else how do you change the result? Nothing is automatic.....unless it is. :)
I like to think of shallowing as a byproduct of a good transition, then being right hand dominant square the face by facing the right palm back then down. Right palm up towards the sky just doesn't feel right, but maybe I do it for a tiny fraction of a second before feeling right palm back. Also, when Malaska told you he felt like the shaft was tipping on the downswing you nodded, but now its never tip the shaft. Maybe need a vid on reconciling the Malaska/Cogorno schools of thought!
Lol thanks for the feedback! Mike and I are on the same page....we both said clearly in the video we did together that you need to give the player what THEY need. IF someone is too steep (80-90% of people) they need to shallow it.....by whatever means necessary. Thats the reality of what works in person....I have done this many many many times over the years. It works...whether its correct on paper or not matters less to me than if it works. All the best
Lol Here you can see Mike and I talking about shallowing and clarifying that IF YOU ARE STEEP you need to shallow my friend th-cam.com/video/eAxKS82W2E0/w-d-xo.html
I've been following a lot of different teachers for the last several months. People love Malaska, and no disrespect to him, but personally I'm not a fan. He tends to talk in absolutes without clarifying who his comments are meant for. Contrast that with Eric (and others) who importantly say over and over things like, "IF you are steep, you need to feel this, but if you're hitting hooks and you're too shallow, you need to feel the opposite" or whatever. Just my two cents.
I've been working on this the last month with great results. I'm hitting much less fat shots also. Just one thing: I'm drawing my irons to much. How can I tone it down. Now and then I also push one straight to the right. Great videos! Inus
thanks, Inus! could be several things...would need to see on video. you could 1. Pitch shaft behind you less 2. Work it more around in follow through to left 3. Make sure you have enough body rotation and tilt
Hey Danny! Generally speaking it wouldn't.....would have to see your swing to say what's going on there for sure. Send too www.cogornogolf.com if you get it sorted!
Does it matter if this hand and wrist twist is started at the takeaway? I find I start this action as soon as the club is withdrawn from the ball. Great video. Many thanks.
Hey Andrew! We got such a great response that unfortunately we filled up all of our free trial spots in 2 weeks instead of the 4 we thought it would take! Feel free to sign up for regular membership if you would like to work with me!
Thanks to u mate. Now i think i am pretty good at shallowing the club. If i vid me the club head gets in the v that you said. Problem is my club face control. If i eager to shallow the club, high possibility the club face opens. BUT Like you said, if i eager to bow or curl my hands, the ball always go left with low pull shot. High possibility closed face. I want to be sqaure!!!! Any tips 😥
Would need to see your swing on video to say for sure! Try 7 day free trial at www.cogornogolf.com if you dont get it sorted.....would have to make too many guesses without seeing
Obscure question about shaft pitch/orientation in three dimensions: A lot of people reference having the butt end of the club pointing at our outside the ball line at left arm parallel to ground in the downswing (from the down-the-line vantage point). If you were looking at a swing from face-on, where should the butt end point at that same left arm parallel position? I.e. should the shaft be perpendicular to the ball-target line, point at the ball, etc. I notice that when I look at my swing from face-on, my lead forearm and shaft form about a 45 degree angle (maybe sharper), meaning that the butt end of the club points away from the target. Though I don't think I'm achieving it through any kind of lead wrist extension, I suspect that the acute angle formed between my lead arm and the shaft (from face-on) at the left arm parallel position may correlate to a steep-looking (or steep in reality) shaft pitch from the down-the-line perspective. Curious how you would think about the interplay between the two. Does that make sense?
@@CogornoGolf definitely a less acute angle than I form between my lead arm and the clubshaft (butt end pointed less away from the target along the ball-target line). Seems to defy conventional golf instruction, but have you had players feel more of a “cast” from the top to help shallow the club onto a better plane?
Yes IF they overdo the radial deviation (hinge) in transition. The risk there (even if its "on plane") would be a very narrow low point. Too down of an angle of attack which will need to be fixed late to avoid huge divots.
hi eric, the last month I've been working on shallowing my swing and fixing my early extension from hips, my swing is a lot better now. with the irons I hit pretty straight with a slight fade . but with the driver I have a big slice. could this be my problem leaving the fact open? I tried at the range my last few balls doing the knuckles down and the ball seem to be straighter. when a wasn't shallowing my swing in years past I never had the knuckles motion and my ball was pretty straight but did a a slice miss. so does shallowing the shaft require the knuckles down motion to get a straight ball flight in most cases??
Would you agree, that if you were wearing a watch on your right wrist, as your hands come down onto the path of the target line (level with the stomach), the face of the watch is perpendicular to the ground? It is not facing up or down but opposite to the target.
Hey Brian! I would need to see your swing to see what you are doing and why you are getting those shots to make any specific recommendations. Always best to work with a coach. Try free 7 day trial at www.cogornogolf.com if you want any guidance would be happy to help but need to see
The ball flight really Straight=square Curve right= open Curve left=closed In terms of looking on video getting the toe right on top of or slightly in front of heel would be "square"
Eric. Instead of shallowing the shaft during the downswing can you instead start the backswing with the left hand turned down and take it back shallow and swing back on same plane?
I’ve never understood when people say the shallowing is ‘natural’. I think it actually takes strength to shallow. For me, I’m actively curling my knuckles and turning the left wrist to the sky to try and force that club head down behind me. It’s an effort. Left to they’re own devices at all and my hands tug down and pitch the shaft steep. That club head does not want to pitch down at all unless I make it. If the club head weighed a ton things would be different. But clubs are light and it seems way easier to me to just pull on the handle just the tiniest bit at the top, and boom, steep club. Good transitions seem far more like fighting against what’s ‘natural’ than not. I have to make it seem like the club head wants to win the gravity battle when it really doesn’t. I think of watching Koepka in transition. That guy is bullying the hell out of that club head to force it down and not pitch up. He has almost no arm depth at the top so he really has to do that out of necessity more than most. Nothing passive about that move and you’ve got be strong as fk to get the club coming from behind you if your start point is where he puts it.
Some people I have worked with shallow the shaft beautifully with no conscious thought (thats probably less than 10% of golfers) Many when they make a swing with no thought DO NOT shallow (AS YOU MENTION) So for 90% they need to CONSCIOUSLY change SOMETHING to MAKE it shallow....agreed
Hey Chris! IF you already come too far inside then yes you would need to feel or do something to get it more from out to in to find neutral. The key is the HOW....which depends on WHY you are too inside There are 3 good ones th-cam.com/video/BKrxVvyp0_A/w-d-xo.html
Hey Rick! Nope-go ahead and watch the video Mike and I did explaining both ends of the spectrum and where we like for check points. In this video you will notice I mention these are FEELs to fix the steep shaft. Of course if you are too steep you need to feel SHALLOw pieces (you always FEEL the opposite to find middle) th-cam.com/video/eAxKS82W2E0/w-d-xo.html
Back in the day, Hogan said, “the secret is in the dirt.” Today, ECog, shares the secret on YT. The secret shared in this video has finally cured my slice. I now enjoy hitting driver. I even hit a 280 yard strait drive this last week. My overall swing has improved by watching your videos. Thank you!
Love to hear that!!! Secret will always be in the dirt (the work and experimentation) but with modern technology I'm sure Mr.Hogan would have took full advantage and worded that a bit different :)
This is by-far the best advice I have ever been told in all the years I have been playing golf and getting golf instruction from many golf teachers. I put it to the test and it WORKS! Thank you Eric!!
Love to hear that, Peter! My pleasure my friend!
I see this same comment on every golf video
Love your videos - there is soooo much out there that it can almost ruin golf for people - but it's about finding who and what works for you and sticking with it, and I have to say your videos and style certainly work for me - thank you.
Love to hear this! Hope the videos help your game!
I've been trying to shallow the club for the last year ! I've watched video after video ... I have a Great golf coach who teaches me drills ... nothing has worked ! This is the first time it has clicked in my head ! It actually made sooo much sense ! Thank you so much ..... 10 handicap from utah ...
Glad to hear that Gage---hope you get it sorted!!
This is the best description of every movement for the start of the downswing. I've fought the the shaft steepening for 57 years and this is the best description of how to shallow and square. It's great that you said who this is not applicable for.
Appreciate it!
You are legit on Golf teaching.
I'am really happy to watch your class and to learn shallow golfing. Thanks always from South Korea.
Appreciate it! My pleasure my friend!
I had been struggling with my swing for months and my confidence had reached an all time low. I knew I had to square the clubface and swing from the inside more (based on a lesson I had received) but easier said than done. I watched this video the night before my round today (a potentially dangerous thing to do!) and suddenly things clicked in terms of squaring the club face and my ball striking. It felt great!! Thank you so much for all the help and advice you provide. I am enjoying golf again 😃
Love to hear this, Andrew!! Our pleasure!
im looking forward to trying this shallowing technique......i like the way you explain things....i have a feeling this is gonna be a game changer for me....this is the first video of yours ive watched and it wont be the last as a new subscriber !!
Appreciate you being here with it! Love it---let us know if you have any issues!!
Outstanding instruction, as always. Excellent presentation on how to shallow the shaft and how to square the club face. Thanks for sharing.
Appreciate it!!
This is an insane amount of subconscious information. It’s wildly impressive how great he explains it - he’s teaching everyone the move even if they’re already doing it.
Appreciate the kind words! Thanks for being here with us!
Perfect timing to share this video, exactly what I need to work on, keep up the great work!
Our pleasure, Bill! Hope it helps!
It works! After shoulder surgery a few years ago, I began to lay the club off when taking it back. This caused an over the top move coming down. I would then wrestle the club back into the slot to prevent pushes and weak fades. By the time I hit the ball, all of the energy of the swing was lost, and my distance suffered. With the move taught in this video, I am once again carrying my 7 iron 165 to 170 yards with a 20 degree launch angle and a sweet little draw. I am 69 years old with a handicap index of 6.2.
Love to hear that, Bill!
My swing is finally coming together. This was the only missing piece I had a question on and you made the perfect video for it. Seriously exactly what I needed and you explained it so well. Thank you!! I subscribed.
Our pleasure, Josh! Thanks for being here with us!
How any golfer could watch this video and not improve is basically impossible. I would add and emphasize Eric's comment that if you want to incorporate these movements if you're coming from being a slicer - listen to Eric and do these movements initially VERY SLOWLY, over & over & over while hitting golf balls - you cannot exagerate this movement enough at the beginning. Once you get the 'feel' of the club from steep to shallow WITH THE HANDS TWISTING THE CLUB 'closed', it will be the greatest moment in your golfing life. Another Great video Eric.
Love it-thanks, Paul!
Love this! Worked on it this week and literally changed my swing. I’ve been lost since having my second kid without the practice and doing this got me back on track. Now I just need to tweak my backswing
Thanks, Chris! Glad to hear that!
Another great video!! Perfect timing as Bill said below!!
Appreciate it!
great drill, thanks for keeping it simple!
Thanks, Jim!
Thanks! The exact answer I needed to a question I asked several weeks ago. Looking forward to giving it a try.
:)
Great Vid Eric another REAL WORLD fix. Thank you.
Thanks, Paul!!
Excellent description of a critical component of great ball striking. Wish it wasn’t 2 am or I’d head to the range right now, lol.
Lol
Thank you so much for this great video
Our pleasure!
A great , great video Eric. I can feel that move!
Thanks Bill! Hope it helps your game!
Best explanation of NOT getting on top EVER.
THANK YOU !
Stay under the back swing - got it.🎉
👊Hope this one helps your game Jonny!
Exactly what I needed! Thanks Eric!
My pleasure my friend!
This was a great video. Im struggling to square the face now but ive got the shallow part right and im shooting shots straight right. just need more reps
You'll get it! Start short and slow, exaggerate, and use video feedback👊
Excellent video
Thank you!
Keen to try this at the range.
Hope it helps!
It feels awesome when Curling the knuckles, palm up, twisted shaft all adds up . It just feels like buttta . Great Tip EC 💰 money bro
Yessir
Awesome video. Would the hanger drill help master this move?
Would be a good one to help for sure YES!
This is the imagery I needed ! In ten swings I went from constantly hooking my 8 iron 140 yard to dead straight 165 yards. No more over the top (finally). Great presentation Eric. Thanks !
Thats awesome-love to hear that, Steven!
I had great results feeling like left forearm faces sky on downswing. I tend to overhook my irons. This had them going straight and much higher. I have a strong grip btw. I'm normally pretty steep on downswing. On video trying this it was slight but the shaft did shallow. Nice sight to see! Thanks
Love it
Thx - great analysis.
Appreciate it! Our pleasure!
Excellent Obi wan! Thanks again for sharing your knowledge buddy. 👍
Appreciate it my friend! Hope all is well with you and yours!
yup ...key move right there ...thanks for sharing
My pleasure my friend!
Great Tip, my question is, do I do this with just my irons or with driver and fairway woods as well?
Thanks Dale! All clubs here👍
Great vid Eric. Those that are steep in the downswing manipulate it to get into that position. Might as well work on a proper move to manipulate it to get it under !
Absolutely....if the movement doesnt happen without thought you have to "manipulate" by definition.
Fantastic video. I hit pull hooks from a steep shaft position. I'm really going to work on this! Would it be reasonable to say that a grip more in the fingers would help with the swallowing move?
Thanks Mike!
Wouldn't hurt!
Great explanation! Let's see if I can make this work on the range.
If my natural shape is already a draw, what are the other benefits of working on shallowing the downswing?
Thanks!
Well that depends really on several factors.
It depends on HOW you draw?
Do you draw with a steep shaft early, but then shallow late? This would include likely early extension, contact issues and issues with pushes/over draws.
shallow early allows you to have good body motions through the ball. Enables you to turn and tilt appropriately to tighten the dispersion, limit your misses.
@@CogornoGolf thanks for taking the time to reply! Gonna work on this!
Thank you Eric. I’ve struggled with a too steep downswing for a while now and it really killed my last season. Couldn’t get my head around it so I really hope this helps. Any other recommendations/videos? Also looking at becoming a member at your site
My pleasure!
See if these help....they are more drill oriented
th-cam.com/video/APsIJ4M2oSY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/jI5TRIbVuAY/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/PjUCfzMmM48/w-d-xo.html
I’m 71, 2diff cancer survivor, best lesson to get my handicap down under 10 again! Grace!
👊Hope this one serves you well my friend!
Great video
Thanks, Greg!
Thanks Eric, this video does help me a lot. One question, since the could face is square after we twist our wrist, do we still need to do the left forearm rotation? If so, what’s the purpose of the forearm rotation?
Hey Frank!
Yes you will still need SOME....just less.
I’ve tried the bowing of the left wrist and cannot do it. But being right hand dominate, that was a great piece to add. I never thought about how to do it with the right wrist until now. That is a lot easier for me.
Love it, Ron! Either one works!
Curl the knuckles under at the top, or ... you can curl the knuckles in the takeaway...and maybe shoot 20 under at the Masters. (kidding)
Good info. Great video and explanation.
Working the knuckles after the shaft is laid down seems the best way, logical.
BTW, your belt buckle down reminder tip is gold for the guy who stands up .... it even helps prevent sliding in my case. Thanks.
Yessir!
Can def curl earlier!
th-cam.com/video/lr8JV6ShmRI/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/H9GDJiUSFFw/w-d-xo.html
Hi Eric! This video has truly changed my game so thank you! My question is: When I incorporate the wrist flexion part of this move into my driver is it appropriate to feel like I REALLY need to curl my wrist to square the face. As in much more than my irons. Am I relying too much on that single move to get the face square?
Hey Jessie!
That would be fine.
I would need to see your swing on video to answer any specific questions on your swing. Feel free to join www.cogornogolf.com so you can send me your swing
Amazingly Eric, I was actually pondering this very thing of shallowing versus club face after practice today. You brought the answer to my equation right away! Thanks a million! Best regards
My pleasure my friend!
Eric excellent video! Question, if I use a strong grip do I still need to have wrist flex ion on downswing?
Hey Anthony!
Likely less with strong grip
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Thank you Eric for wonderful lesson. curl the knuckle down feels magnificent!!
One thing I am confusing is the Mike Malaska's so called malaska move
Because it feels comfortable for me when starting down swing I shallow(down) my arm and after that I do the Malaska move. Is there Big difference between the two type down swing? or is it the same?
Hey! Appreciate it!
Mike and I talked about this very topic here...this should help: th-cam.com/video/eAxKS82W2E0/w-d-xo.html
Nice video, I come over the top a bit after watching my swing on video. So I tried your technique and I feel a lost of power and feel a bit like I hit it fat. Any thoughts to what I might be doing to make this happen. It's hard to keep trying something when you don't see the results, but I know when you change something it takes time. Thanks again.
Thanks!
I would need to see your swing on video to see exactly what's happening. Feel free to join www.cogornogolf.com and send me your videos there so I can help if you dont get it sorted
Thanks for the video Eric. Is it ok if I manipulate my wrists (to square the club face) on the down swing rather than at the top of my swing? Getting my wrists in that position at the top of the swing is uncomfortable but I think I can do it during the down swing. Is that ok? Thanks
Yes thats OK if you can repeat it!
hey eric this is great insight. But FYI I find this move one of the hardest to copy...any further tricks to getting this feel ? (back of hand more to sky and knuckles curled under)
Hey Simon! For sure....lots of options if you search my name and "shallow" we have a bunch
Here are more right side and left side feels:
th-cam.com/video/UHC5qMughtg/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/VWXiaem09Co/w-d-xo.html
Hey Eric.. So, after I manipulate the wrists as you prescribe on the back swing, at impact I have to manipulate the wrists back more towards the way they were at setup position? I guess what I'm asking is, squaring the club face isn't automatic when shallowing the back swing, it has to be consciously done at impact? Thanks.. Great videos..
Hey Carlson!
As with all things golf and life.
If you currently do a move WITHOUT THOUGHT and you accomplish what you are looking to accomplish then NO it does not require any "manipulation".
BUT
IF you current do a move WITHOUT THOUGHT and you DO NOT accomplish what you are looking to accomplish then OF COURSE you need to consciously "manipulate" SOMETHING or else how do you change the result?
Nothing is automatic.....unless it is.
:)
@@CogornoGolf okay then, makes sense.. thanks 😊
I like to think of shallowing as a byproduct of a good transition, then being right hand dominant square the face by facing the right palm back then down. Right palm up towards the sky just doesn't feel right, but maybe I do it for a tiny fraction of a second before feeling right palm back. Also, when Malaska told you he felt like the shaft was tipping on the downswing you nodded, but now its never tip the shaft. Maybe need a vid on reconciling the Malaska/Cogorno schools of thought!
Lol thanks for the feedback!
Mike and I are on the same page....we both said clearly in the video we did together that you need to give the player what THEY need.
IF someone is too steep (80-90% of people) they need to shallow it.....by whatever means necessary.
Thats the reality of what works in person....I have done this many many many times over the years. It works...whether its correct on paper or not matters less to me than if it works.
All the best
After watching your video and Mike Malaska's video back to back, I am confuse as a puppy now.
Lol
Here you can see Mike and I talking about shallowing and clarifying that IF YOU ARE STEEP you need to shallow my friend
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I've been following a lot of different teachers for the last several months. People love Malaska, and no disrespect to him, but personally I'm not a fan. He tends to talk in absolutes without clarifying who his comments are meant for. Contrast that with Eric (and others) who importantly say over and over things like, "IF you are steep, you need to feel this, but if you're hitting hooks and you're too shallow, you need to feel the opposite" or whatever. Just my two cents.
@@danpianki5205 this is why seeing a pro or coach in person is so important. Most of us don’t even know what’s our issue here lol.
I've been working on this the last month with great results. I'm hitting much less fat shots also. Just one thing: I'm drawing my irons to much. How can I tone it down. Now and then I also push one straight to the right.
Great videos!
Inus
thanks, Inus!
could be several things...would need to see on video.
you could
1. Pitch shaft behind you less
2. Work it more around in follow through to left
3. Make sure you have enough body rotation and tilt
How would this change for wedge shots? This feel usually helps me a lot but when I go to a short wedge I have trouble
Hey Danny! Generally speaking it wouldn't.....would have to see your swing to say what's going on there for sure. Send too www.cogornogolf.com if you get it sorted!
Does it matter if this hand and wrist twist is started at the takeaway? I find I start this action as soon as the club is withdrawn from the ball.
Great video. Many thanks.
You definitely can do it earlier
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Can anyone send a new link for the 7day free trial?? Can't find it on the website
Hey Andrew!
We got such a great response that unfortunately we filled up all of our free trial spots in 2 weeks instead of the 4 we thought it would take!
Feel free to sign up for regular membership if you would like to work with me!
Thanks to u mate. Now i think i am pretty good at shallowing the club. If i vid me the club head gets in the v that you said.
Problem is my club face control. If i eager to shallow the club, high possibility the club face opens. BUT Like you said, if i eager to bow or curl my hands, the ball always go left with low pull shot. High possibility closed face.
I want to be sqaure!!!! Any tips 😥
Would need to see your swing on video to say for sure! Try 7 day free trial at www.cogornogolf.com if you dont get it sorted.....would have to make too many guesses without seeing
Obscure question about shaft pitch/orientation in three dimensions: A lot of people reference having the butt end of the club pointing at our outside the ball line at left arm parallel to ground in the downswing (from the down-the-line vantage point). If you were looking at a swing from face-on, where should the butt end point at that same left arm parallel position? I.e. should the shaft be perpendicular to the ball-target line, point at the ball, etc. I notice that when I look at my swing from face-on, my lead forearm and shaft form about a 45 degree angle (maybe sharper), meaning that the butt end of the club points away from the target. Though I don't think I'm achieving it through any kind of lead wrist extension, I suspect that the acute angle formed between my lead arm and the shaft (from face-on) at the left arm parallel position may correlate to a steep-looking (or steep in reality) shaft pitch from the down-the-line perspective. Curious how you would think about the interplay between the two. Does that make sense?
the very simple answer is this:
Pause this at left arm parallel
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What do you see?
@@CogornoGolf definitely a less acute angle than I form between my lead arm and the clubshaft (butt end pointed less away from the target along the ball-target line). Seems to defy conventional golf instruction, but have you had players feel more of a “cast” from the top to help shallow the club onto a better plane?
Yes IF they overdo the radial deviation (hinge) in transition. The risk there (even if its "on plane") would be a very narrow low point. Too down of an angle of attack which will need to be fixed late to avoid huge divots.
Great tip. Can't you hit hooks and still be too steep (early extending with high hands at impact) and even over the top (pull hook)?
For sure!
Liked!
Thank you!
I've been 'locking' my left elbow in my abs on the takeaway to get the steepness. Very crowded feel. I hope this gives me more room going back.
Ill be rooting for ya :)
hi eric, the last month I've been working on shallowing my swing and fixing my early extension from hips, my swing is a lot better now.
with the irons I hit pretty straight with a slight fade . but with the driver I have a big slice. could this be my problem leaving the fact open? I tried at the range my last few balls doing the knuckles down and the ball seem to be straighter. when a wasn't shallowing my swing in years past I never had the knuckles motion and my ball was pretty straight but did a a slice miss. so does shallowing the shaft require the knuckles down motion to get a straight ball flight in most cases??
Hey!
1. Could be! Would need to see your swing on video to say for sure.
2. Yes-or grip strong enough so toe doesn't get behind heel
Would you agree, that if you were wearing a watch on your right wrist, as your hands come down onto the path of the target line (level with the stomach), the face of the watch is perpendicular to the ground? It is not facing up or down but opposite to the target.
Yup thats fair
Could you come down on the same plane as you went back on if it's a neutral plane? Pro's/Cons
For sure....95% come down slightly more shallow
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Just slightly under on way down not a lot for most
I don't hit hooks my normal shot is a little 5yd draw my miss is a push cut. Should I be doing this? Or just work on squaring the club face?
Hey Brian!
I would need to see your swing to see what you are doing and why you are getting those shots to make any specific recommendations.
Always best to work with a coach.
Try free 7 day trial at www.cogornogolf.com if you want any guidance would be happy to help but need to see
How do you know when you are square just practice reps?
The ball flight really
Straight=square
Curve right= open
Curve left=closed
In terms of looking on video getting the toe right on top of or slightly in front of heel would be "square"
Eric. Instead of shallowing the shaft during the downswing can you instead start the backswing with the left hand turned down and take it back shallow and swing back on same plane?
Absolutely! You may enjoy this video on that topic:
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I’ve never understood when people say the shallowing is ‘natural’. I think it actually takes strength to shallow. For me, I’m actively curling my knuckles and turning the left wrist to the sky to try and force that club head down behind me. It’s an effort. Left to they’re own devices at all and my hands tug down and pitch the shaft steep. That club head does not want to pitch down at all unless I make it. If the club head weighed a ton things would be different. But clubs are light and it seems way easier to me to just pull on the handle just the tiniest bit at the top, and boom, steep club. Good transitions seem far more like fighting against what’s ‘natural’ than not. I have to make it seem like the club head wants to win the gravity battle when it really doesn’t. I think of watching Koepka in transition. That guy is bullying the hell out of that club head to force it down and not pitch up. He has almost no arm depth at the top so he really has to do that out of necessity more than most. Nothing passive about that move and you’ve got be strong as fk to get the club coming from behind you if your start point is where he puts it.
Some people I have worked with shallow the shaft beautifully with no conscious thought (thats probably less than 10% of golfers)
Many when they make a swing with no thought DO NOT shallow (AS YOU MENTION)
So for 90% they need to CONSCIOUSLY change SOMETHING to MAKE it shallow....agreed
tried this and i hit pull hooks because im still turning the upper body first during the downswing. how do i stop doing this?
Hey there!
Send us your swings at www.cogornogolf.com so we can do a full analysis and give you the fix without any guessing👊
Hope to see you there!
Love how he says you have to manipulate it manually. If you don’t do this normally it’s supposed to feel weird
100%!
I come too much from the inside and hit a draw, should I get the feel like I’m coming over the top? P.s. I’m signing up to get my swing looked at.
Hey Chris!
IF you already come too far inside then yes you would need to feel or do something to get it more from out to in to find neutral.
The key is the HOW....which depends on WHY you are too inside
There are 3 good ones
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I've been looking for this tip since Christ was a child! Thanks so much!
Hope it helps!
Eric your instruction seems to conflict to what you were doing in the earlier video with Mike Malska???
Hey Rick!
Nope-go ahead and watch the video Mike and I did explaining both ends of the spectrum and where we like for check points.
In this video you will notice I mention these are FEELs to fix the steep shaft.
Of course if you are too steep you need to feel SHALLOw pieces (you always FEEL the opposite to find middle)
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Thx Eric do you still approve of tipping the shaft as Mike suggests? It is very similiar to Hardys one plane release.
Only if you are normally too shallow.
Thx
Cogorno can help fix your slice. He knows what he’s talking about. I’m hitting driver and irons much better with his grip. It’s not this video.
Thanks!
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