I COULDN'T SQUARE the clubface until I DISCOVERED THIS
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I never new i was swinging with an open club face until I watched this video. For the past 3 years, I've been working on my swing path frusterated with results. This video was the exact issue i needed to fix. Instantly straightened out my drive and even hitting nice high draws. Thank you sir!
Love to hear that you discovered that---hope this serves you well
here's another one on squaring club face options: Hows and when's
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Heres another one on the squaring it early feels: th-cam.com/video/Wi4cLSUDzbU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUnRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vICBtYWdpYyBtb3ZlIGdhaW4gMjArIHlhcmRz
This is an important video for most golfers I’d say. People try to square it far too late and there’s not enough time which is why we see 90% of golfers hitting the same weak slice. It’s so important to start closing the face WAY earlier in “transition” than most would think.
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The mistake most golfers make is trying to steer face square to target. The real goal should be to keep it aligned square to the swing arc then put the ball on the ground where the face will come square to target at the point the ball releases off the face, what practice swing reveal. If you can’t take three full practice swings and see the club strike the ground in exactly the same place - near the middle of the ball -why would you expect it to strike the ball correctly without a practice swing and visualizing where it hits and face is square to target?
I totally agree and have benefited so much from Eric's videos this season on this aspect of the swing. I'm 62 and my index has been as low as 3.5 and it has just been going up this year because i was back to hitting weak shots to the right as a result of hitting with a glancing blow. My instructor has always focused on my grip, which is admittedly a bit weak, but even with a strong grip if you don't either flex the right wrist or bow the left wrist, you will never square up the club face. No instructor has ever explained this to me so clearly before. Eric's videos are pure gold!
@@kingofalldashcams7380 I was referring to coming down through impact. What I observe a lot of unschooled beginners do is drop the club down behind the ball and then sweep it straight down the target line steering face to target. What is most instructive in adopting Hogan’s ‘waggle’ is it makes one realize how much the waggle action of the wrist change the angle of toe and face from the time the shaft is horizontal to impact and there is no need to try to steer it straight if one used the Vardon style grip properly which big part of what makes it possible for the club to square itself to the swing arc.
The observation of how toe bias affects how face orients in the swing is what inspired Karsten Solhiem to invent the high MOI putter and irons used today. He had observed the Bullseye putter he had being using was so toe heavy it twisted open / in his hands in the backstroke and \ closed through impact resulting in pulled-left misses. It is important to note that back then most used inside-to-square strokes like chipping stroke.
The heel-toe balance of an Anser style putter causes it to hand at 40-45° angle when balance on a finger - it varies by model - which helps it stay square to an inside-square putting stroke.
His PING EYE irons used the same high MOI principle to help a golf keep the face square to swing arc in the takeaway and again when it swings down and squares at impact. You are less likely to snap-hook with a high MOI ‘Game Improvement’ iron than a low MOI blade which has more toe bias.
Pros were slow to adopt higher MOI cavity back irons because the toe bias of a blade lets you feel from how the toe of club is trying to twist around the shaft in the hands where the toe is pointing - situational awareness of face angle. By comparison higher MOI clubs have less feel but will come back square to target at impact more consistently. That’s part of why they are more ‘forgiving’ in addition to how higher MOI reduces face deflection from miss-hits on the face.
With today’s hollow polymer filled irons with plug in toe weight we can get the ego satisfaction of swinging a “BLADE” but with the forgiveness of a set of high MOI starter clubs 🤣 I’ve gone the other direction. I played with PING Eye2 for many years then switched to S57 but recently found a set of circa 2000 Mizuno I-Zoid irons for $120 playing and shaping shots with.
Clearest and most complete explanation I've seen. Point glove logo or palm away from the target. Thanks! It finally makes sense
Our pleasure---hope it serves you well!!
Thanks again, Eric.......all these videos are getting me back on track.
Our pleasure! Love to hear that!
This is legit one of the best golf instructional videos I've seen. This is a Game Changer!! I've always struggled with Rotation and Feels of my Lead & Trail hand/wrist to get the timing right. Thnx Sir Eric!
Appreciate that! You got it :)
Very helpful video. I’ve been struggling with a push slice because I’ve not been rotating my arms. Some different advice had it in my head this was a negative motion. Good to see that all pros including Rahm morikawa etc still do this
Glad this one helped Nick!
Following a recent case of “Shank-itus” which arrived from nowhere, I experimented with slightly closing the face at setup, allied to a limited and slow backswing and another EC tip (slight right foot back) I have found both the consistency and distance that I have never previously had. This has promoted a H/cap fall from 18 to 12. Top instruction.
Love to hear that!! Nice improvements!! Now we need to figure out how to go from 12--6 next :)
Best video of hand action I've ever seen . Thanks!
Thank you! Hope it helps your game!
Great video. I've been only playing for 5 months and was taught to not to use my wrists and just trust my full rotation during the whole swing. At times I've hit it well when I rotate properly but as a beginner golfer I haven't found that consistency during my follow through so at times that makes me hit a slice with my irons. I got the same tip of your video from another coach a couple days ago and it has helped me immediately. Thanks!
Thank you! Great to hear my friend!!
I don't know why TH-cam didn't recommend your channel earlier but every video I've watched is gold. Thank you
Appreciate your support!👊
Eric, I discovered just yesterday that I tend to focus on the leading edge of my irons and I need to be instead focusing on the sweet spot. This is especially true with my wedges. I practiced on doing this with a 58 degree and stopped thinking about my back swing. I turned my hands down more through impact and compressed the ball making sure to deloft my club face more. I began to hit these nice powerful shots. Hit that wedge 75 - 80 yards! I'm now one less club farther. Shorter back swing, more distance. Accuracy was excellent!
👊Love to hear this, Dave!
Dear Eric,
I learn from this video:
I work at you´re squad move, to bring the left knee out in the delivery position
and go back in the Set-up position.
But I work on it at a wrong way.
I concentrate me to my left knee. So it is difficult.
Here I learn, the crunch is more important.
The left knee goes more automatic out by the crunch on the right side.
Thank you very much, Erich
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Hope this one serves you well my friend!
A simple way of understanding and visualizing what you suggest is “keep the face of the club looking down at the ball” i.e. square to the swing arc in the takeaway and last part of the downswing. Karsten Solheim of PING discovered a golf club face will find balance and align itself with toe and face square to the club’s swing arc line automatically if mass of the club head mass is moved around heel-to-toe until it does; the physics underlying the Anser putter, PING EYE irons and every high MOI cavity back design since then.
A simple way to get the face consistently square at impact is to align the face by putting everything in- feet, spine bent, hips shifted laterally to target and open, shoulders just past parallel, hands over lead hip and pulled down in ulnar deviation, club in line straight with lead arm, etc. - with face aligned to target at the spot on ground the ball will release off the face. Go back and forth to from the “all parallel” conventional address start-of-swing position to impact a few times, waggling the club up so the shaft is horizontal.
Moving between from impact - address - downswing shaft level waypoints slowly allows seeing, feeling, understanding intellectually and reflexive brain how everything needs to move. Setting up in the impact position and using a Vardon / Interlaced grip applied with pad of trail hand up over lead thumb will allow the club force to move hands and toe of club so face stays square to the swing line in the takeaway and as club comes down at impact more or less automatically. If starting from the impact position why should it not come back there, every time? Moe Norman said that a lot while hitting shot after shot to target because he learned intuitively to starting by first aligning as I suggest at impact before moving back to the start of swing address position
The genius of the Vardon grip is how it maxes out extension / flexion / radial deviation / ulnar deviation of the wrist at key points in the swing very consistently IF the golfer lets the swing force move the wrists by using light grip pressure and not trying to steer the club head with the hands. The downswing forces are too great and it is a battle you can’t win!
As explained above the physics of modern cavity back clubs will align themselves more or less square to the swing line automatically and you just need to put the ball where the face comes square to the target not at impact but just as the ball releases off the face. Because of the way the face moves aligns square to the swing arc the ball must be impacted at point slightly inside if center >+ (so aim there not dead + center on the ball-target line) and expect the face to rotate few degrees as the ball compresses and releases.
Thanks Teddy!
Wow! What a great drill! Just tried my swing slowly at home to find I’m doing exactly what you said, been practicing this feel and can’t wait to take it to the range, thanks 👍🏻🏌️♂️
Our pleasure my friend! Let us know how the range session goes!
Eric, this is brilliant, I’m eager to get to the range and try, thank you. ‘curious, I assume - this same rotation applies for Driver ?
My pleasure---hope it helps.
Yes....same for driver. Always trying to get the leading edge of the club parallel to back line........
so....
Since you start standing taller with driver the face will be LESS tilted down....but still tilted down SOME. Parallel to back line is the key checkpoint you want to hit
Great video hoping this helps me tomorrow at the range. Developed a case of the yips and now every shot longer than 8 iron Im hitting terrible push slices. Have been off from golf for the last couple years, shot an 89 in my second round of the year and was feeling good about where I was at but the golf gods humbled me very quickly as since then its felt like Ive never swung a club in my life
Hope your practice goes great, Andrew! Thanks for watching!
Good stuff again, Eric! Can you offer tips for using the Hanger with a right wrist dominant swing? Is it as simple as reversing the left wrist pattern?
Thank you!
That's exactly correct. You would simply feel the same things, but just reversed as you said. theHANGER is more for lead wrist feels and the Precision Impact Right Wrist Trainer is for the trail wrist. Here are a few videos you may enjoy checking out!
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th-cam.com/video/OyxgamZllOM/w-d-xo.html
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EXCELLENT Lesson!
Thank you!
You mention pronation (or snap the wrist) & supination of the arms/wrist. It's difficult for us amateurs to time when to snap our wrists. One tip to consider is to consciously avoid pronation and simply release the hands/wrists. Let the arm flow thru hitting the ball and let the follow thru or momentum change the hand/wrists.
Hey Mike!
I hear ya.....
But the reality is ALL golfers need to rotate the arms.....that is a measured fact through 3D.
Supination is the palm up of the lead arm
Pronation is the palm down on the trail arm
This is a very natural motion when you swing the club forward....same as any other sport where you swing a stick.
Its just a gradual motion....more detailed info on this may help understanding here:
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I started trying to hit golf balls a little over a year ago. My most-frequent "good" shot is a push. (That is to say, the ones that aren't tops or fats or whiffs. Not a slice. I do slice, but less than 2% of the time.) I tried out your advice in this video on the range just now, and my good shots were mostly pull-draws. I mean, the balls were DRAWING. I've never seen myself hit a draw before. So, true, i was going crazy left, but it's a big step for me after going crazy right forever.
Love that Toby! Progress :)
I like it. Trying to implement
Hope it serves you well, Paul!
My swing thought that seems to work best is glove logo to ground earlier in downswing.
Love it Paul!
Eric - as a corollary to this, have u ever experimented with playing with a shut face at address and keeping it shut through back/trans/down and rotate through to square it through impact (kind of like Azinger used to do or Duval)? Not sure if you’d advise this or not. More along the lines of the pro you met with a few years ago outside of Carmel, CA. With the throw release where the face was set closed even before takeaway
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Some on that here:
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I guess it's important to balance the amount of wrist rotation with how much shaft lean you naturally have, or are looking to have ? Not enough shaft lean, and you will start to pull left.
for sure
Went over that in detail here: th-cam.com/video/odSKa4DY4SA/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUvRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIG1vc3QgaW1wb3J0YW50IHZpZGVvIGl2ZSBldmVyIGRvbmU%3D
This is the number one thing i think golfers should be taught, closing the club face with their wrist. this is what fixed all my slices.
Love it my friend!
The hanger is an awesome training aid.
100% agreed.....one of the few that I go back to all the time :)
Great video as always 👍. Question is…Even with a strong grip you need to do all this?
Same question, I think so.
Thank you!
You still need to do it--------yes.
but......
Less.
More details on grip/club face/release/arm rotation patterns below:
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Those wrist angles will be very contingent on your grip to ensure the proper matchup
For sure!
Pretty sure the open club face has forced me to develop an over the top/early extension move whch now is hard to get rid of.
Quick check using this technique seems like a step in the right direction however I find it uncomfortable in my lead wrist, like I'll develop a tendinitis or something. I guess I have to learn to bow the wrist yet keep it relaxed?
Hey! Could be....I would really need to see your swing on video to say for sure. Send videos to www.cogornogolf.com we can help there.
If you can't bow your wrist as much can always just go with stronger grip which allows the face to square with less bow
I explain that more in these:
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OK, so how do you manipulate the wrists into flexion without getting tension in the arms and becoming someone with a hit action rather than a swing?
Hey John!
Here are a couple of videos you may enjoy checking out to help more with this move!
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This open face is the root of so many evils. It leads to flipping, poor contact, fat/thin shots. I kind of knew this, but in my mind my face was square. Finally realized NO, my clubface was still open even though I thought I was square. So I had to exaggerate closing the face (by rotating the knuckles down feel), which then puts me in square position. So right now I feel like I close the face a crazy amount. But it seems to be the right amount, because my shots are fairly straight. I am not missing to the left.
100%! Glad this one helped to straighten out those shots!
4:50 Amazing how different the release through the hitting is between Rahm and Rory. Rory has much more of a rolling release, which requires a lot of timing and precision. Rahm on the other hand has weak grip, max out on the bowed left wrist and just holds on through the hitting. In my opinion, that is the reason, why Rahm is more consistent.
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Going to the range and use this right now.
Hope your practice goes great!
I have been close the face to the shaft early in the back swing. I have a hard time on the timing trying to do it on the down swing.
Is that okay or should I work on the timing on the down swing?
Hey Mark!
Perfectly good to close the face to the shaft EARLY like you are...then you have LESS work to do LATER👍
@@CogornoGolf since I set it early in my backswing which one of those training aids would work best? Definitely going to buy one…
I would go with the hanger...I like that best for this. The links and discount codes are in description of video for ya!
What do you think of that : the professionnal golfers have to close the club face in the transition or in the downswing because their swings are very fast. (Without that their club face would be open at impact) ?
Good question---while its true their speed is up....I do not believe that's WHY they close it sooner.
i have the prosendr and i feel like my club face is open when coming through with it on. think my grip is too strong?
Could be Jered----I would need to see to say for sure. If face is open that would mean grip too WEAK perhaps.
Some of this may help fix that: This is a thorough discussion on it
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Are the arms really rotating???
I never have that feeling and to me the arms simply turn to the target only because of body rotation.
But what do I know with my 2 rounds just below 80?
Yes they do for sure :)
More on that here with the details:
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@@CogornoGolf Well, I like Rahm and I like Wilco Nienaber. Both hit it very long without any rolling through the hitting. If you watch Wilco 430 yard drive and see his finish: no rolling arms/hands. It's like he purely slaps the ball with his wrist. His golf swing makes the most sense of what I have seen. Pure, simple, extremely effective.
All good mean I hear ya!
Cogorno, does this match with what you and Mike Milanka talked about in your right arm and wrist video? Seems like you’re saying we should have more forearm rotation than he does.
Hey!
How much arm rotation you need......depends on how square/open/closed the club face is during the early downswing.
Mike likes to see the face very square to the plane EARLY.....so more closed early.....means you dont need to close it as much later
The less the door is open......the less you need to close it
the more the door is open....the more you need to close it
Hope this helps!
I’m currently unable to close the face to save my life. Sucking it up and I need help.
Try this one:
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If that doesnt work try this one:
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Lastly this one:
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Is this the same thing for driver?
Yep!
What I want to see in this video is “what can go wrong if you don’t do it right”, kind of thing. Because I’ve tried this and I get the weirdest results: shanks, extreme steepness in the divot resulting in the ball popping up sky high with little to no distance. I think all instructional videos should contain a “how to not do what I am showing you today”.
Great idea!
Can you do that? YES YOU CAN!!
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Having the glove logo 'face the target' at impact may depend on how you grip the club. If a player has a super strong grip - that glove logo wouldn't be facing the target - or else that club face will be extremely closed.
Hey there!
You still need to do the arm rotation but yes, it would require less with a super strong grip.
More details on grip/club face/release/arm rotation patterns below:
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Why not close the face then grip it, rotate it back to square at address then swing to eliminate any timed rotation, a La Shawn Clement
If that works for you all good!
This is what's killing my game. Can't hit long irons or long hybrids because I have it in my head to swing harder. The harder I swing, the more open the club face. Gotta practice this.
Just came back from the range. I tried aiming the back of my hand toward the clubhouse that was directly behind me. It works. I still have my hand cupped a bit on impact, but it's WAY better than it was. I still need to practice this to get more consistent hand placement. I was finally able to hit my 7 and 6 iron properly (I use 5h after that). But now all my clubs go 10 to 30 yards further. Sounds good, but I rather liked knowing my distances. If I can get this down, it'd be great. The sound it makes when you hit the ball like this is really impressive too. You can hear the compression. It's rather satisfying. Like I said, need more practice though.
I also like the tip from another video to bring the arms straight down from the top. It helps to not cup the hands. Also gives you more speed at the bottom. And no way are you going over the top doing this. You call this "early transition" in this video.
Glad this one helped my friend!! Appreciate your message and you being here with us!
It almost should feel like a tennis or ping pong top spin shot???
Yes similar!
Shot tracker Eric.
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Great video. The only thing missing is an explanation of why the flex in the lead wrist needs to increase from its initial position. At the start of the golf swing, the club is outside the hands and the club face is set square to the ball and the target. With a neutral grip the lead wrist is slightly extended (cupped) If the club is taken to parallel at the start of the back swing and the relationship between the hands and the club maintained, at parallel, the club head will be outside the hands and the face will be on a path, which if reversed, would result in the club face approaching the ball on a straight line, neither in to out or out to in, and square to the ball and and target. The lead wrist would still be slightly extended and there would be no need to add flexion to the lead wrist.
The need to increase the flex in the lead wrist at the top of the back swing or during the downswing stems from the change of the position of the hands relative to the club head and the movement of body's center mass toward the target and away from the target line.
In the downswing, when the shaft is parallel, the club head is not in front of the hands as it was at parallel in the back swing. Dropping the hands hands at the start of the downswing brings the hands lower and closer to the body relative to where they were at the beginning of the swing. During the downswing the body's center of mass moves linearly toward the target and away from the target line changing the position of the hands at impact relative to their initial position.
The amount of flex in the lead wrist as the club approaches the ball has to be greater than the amount of flex in the lead wrist at the start of the swing and the take away because of the change in position of the hands relative to the club.
The alternative is to time the supination of the lead wrist and the pronation of the trail wrist to square the face to target.
As Brooks Koepka says, "set the wrist and let it rip."
You're almost there, but not quite yet...
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There are no secret moves in golf. Also no magic moves. It’s all hype.
Lol of course you have to play the game with youtube to get people to watch :)
QUESTION.....Jack Nicklaus once said in an interview, I'm paraphrasing. It's better to have a closed club face on the downswing that an open one. If it's closed it's easier to hold the face off at impact rather that trying to square it and or flip at the bottom. Eric do you agree with that?
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