I lost my fiancee in a car accident when we were in our 20s. I'm in my early 40s now. When I tell you this show made me bawl even after all this time........ That "grief is love persevering" line knocked me over. I've been single since he died. Edit - thank you all so much for your sweet comments and support. I really do appreciate it.
A lot of people were attacking Wanda for what she did, seeing her as a bad guy but I don’t think this was a story of good or bad, it a story of grief and coming to terms with loss and her new abilities.
i don't think it's generally very useful to categorize people as "good" or "bad", but the terms "hero" and "villain" are usually a bit more objective, based on the results of a person's actions. i've definitely been one of those people observing that wanda is the biggest villain in her own show. i don't mean it as an attack, just a simple statement of fact -- she did torture thousands of people. and while we can say it wasn't intentional, the fact that it continued as long as it did was definitely negligent. her ignorance was willful. she didn't want to know the effects of her actions. i don't judge her as "bad". i understand what she was going thru. but she was the villain.
@@sirmoonslosthismind villain works, the people of Westview definitely see her as that. There’s many that call her evil but I can’t see her as that, just like when they tried calling her a terrorist and Monica said it doesn’t apply.
Everyone handles grief differently, some go through the stages quicker or slower than others, some people might seem alright for a while but eventually they come to a realisation that it happened and grief hits them like a truck. With Wanda I think we see after losing Vision at the time of his death she didn't have time to properly grieve and it was made into anger instead, when WandaVision happens we see Wanda finally being able to grieve however because she wasn't able to grieve for so long it hits her like a truck and causes a massive outburst of not only emotion but with that her power which creates an entire fantasy world where she doesn't have to deal with those painful and overwhelming emotions.
The different Quicksilver coming in was also her bargaining, I believe. She knew it wasn't her brother and she was still willing to accept it because she miss him so much and want him back
Also his doubt about himself and trusting only one person's words, Steve's. Then the fear that even that one person might've been wrong about him after all, leaving him to think of himself as a monster again
When Wanda was talking about how her sadness and grief comes over her like a series of waves that just gonna drown her... that really hit home for me. I cried because I hate when tv shows relate to my life better than other people do. When a tv show has more social skills than everyone else
I used to hate that too, because I longed for years for someone to finally "get" it. I have met people over the years who do, mostly in passing. My best friend understands fully. But when I don't have them in hard moments I'm glad I have shows like this. Love to you xx
in a span of just over three years, I lost my older brother, father, and mother. my whole world was spinning out of control. thankfully, I still had my older sister and my wife to hold me together.
I know it didn't show a LOT about the depression. Only the falling on her knees, going deep into her past and seeing her locked in a cell and talking to Vision. BUT we have seen her in a depressed state in other films. The thing is that she actually just lost Vision, the one that pulled her out of the past depression. She may have to go through this process all over again over his death. She was at least able to leave him this time on her own terms.
They showed more about depression than just the kneeling scene. That was basically the whole theme of the show: grief and denial. The fact that she enslaved the whole town just to satisfy her grief is another good thing they pointed out. It shows how depression will make people do things that are bad, even if these things can temporary take away the person's emotional pain. Another good thing I noticed is how Wanda didn't even remember that she was the one who created the Hex and how even she created it. It was until the later episodes that she started to realize that she was in control of Westview, and it wasn't until she and Agatha revisited her memories that she realized that she had actually used chaos magic to create the Hex, even when she didn't know she had this ability. She completely blocked out this memory, and this is very common in people who are dealing depression. Their brain completely blocks out certain memories to prevent more trauma, therefore sometimes they're unaware of their actions.
I'm not a therapist by any means, but I have a friend who suffers from depression and depression is like chronic pain. It's constant, or it comes and goes but when it's there it's debilitating and long lasting. What Wanda experienced was grief. Break down, scream as loud as you can grief, which is different than depression. Maybe I'm splitting too many hairs but I don't think depression, in the standard sense, is right word to use to define Wanda in this series. Grief, yes. Frustration, loss, anger, yes. Depression, not exactly.
@Jeff Erckert Right? Everyone is saying that they don't show her being depressive and like... depression doesn't always looks like anguish. I've had 3 depressive episodes over my life and only one of them I felt constant, overwhelming angst and anxiety. The other times? it was numbness. Just, not wanting to interact with anyone, not wanting to get up of bed and when I did, I was just.. without direction. I couldn't care, not even for those I loved and for the things I was always interested about. My best friend has depression and it's just like that too. I think Wanda's went through pain and angst before, and after this entire 5 stages of grief, the tired, nub kind of depression made more sense.
What you mean?! If you understand and know what depression is then you should know this series showed Wanda’s depression through the whole thing ! You need to learn more !
And some sleuths on either Twitter or Reddit pitched up the voice to reveal it was actually Kathryn Hahn who said the line, with her voice artificially pitched down in post (an absolute genius move by the show)
I had an english teacher, who once shared her experience of grief when she lost her husband. She said that during the day when her husband is supposed to be burried, she woke up and prepared for the day. To her mind, it is supposed to be a happy day, her wedding day. Her family came to get her, worried. They talked, then she snapped back to reality and broke down.
The good thing is: her kids aren’t gone forever! Tommy and Billy are set to be in the young avengers and their souls were given to two different mothers. She’s most likely going to find them again in the next Doctor Strange movie so she at least gets that back :)
@@butbetter5908 They have been seen on the doctor strange set AND they're in the Young Avengers which this phase has been setting up so its safe to assume they will be back. For example, Kate Bishop will be in Hawkeye, we already have Cassie Lang/Stature, we JUST got Patriot in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Miss America is set to appear in the next Doctor Strange movie, thats been confirmed. So we are only missing Hulkling. So its safe to assume they'll be back.
@@scarletmanning My guess is an extra-dimensional entity, most likely Chthon took them before the Hex was destroyed. It was Chthon via the Darkhold who was trying to stop Wanda from becoming Scarlet Witch by saying that would destroy the world. The Mind Stone, by showing Wanda that vision of her future self, exposed the Darkhold's deceit.
@@butbetter5908 they were still “alive” in the post credit scene, and since a bunch of other young avengers characters are showing up in the other properties I think it’s safe to say they are going to do the Young Avengers
I’ve always seen the darkhold as a metaphor for alcoholism or addiction for Wanda- especially in MoM. Just because we go through the five stages of grief and come to terms with our loss doesn’t mean it’s okay and Wanda is still clearly depressed at giving up her dream life and family, and then picks up the darkhold as a distraction from her pain (to learn about her power) and the more she reads from it/ uses it the more this false sense of joy and happiness is promised to her without realising that it’s destroying her, making her angry and spiteful and even accelerating her destructive emotional state.
I watched this through a lens of Crisis Intervention. Especially looking at Monica and Hayward as two different approaches to a person in crisis. Seeing how Wanda viewed even Monica as an aggressor. There's a lot going on there. Even Agatha has a role.
I guess it makes sense. When you're not ready to face the pain of your situation even the most well-meaning person can feel intrusive and aggressive. I would be very surprised if the writer didn't have an intimate understanding of grief, depression, ptsd. They portrayed these themes so accurately.
@@elizabethification771 we tell the officers that they can't control people's reactions to them. They might resemble an abusive family member and there's no immediate fix for that. In the case of the show it was the truth that triggered Wanda, and that's an important thing to be aware of.
Wow, youtube threw this into my suggestion list. Really beautiful dissection of Wandavision. I think she made two wishes. One was the creation of the hex when she wished somehow that she could be with Vision again. But I also think when she saw the newly created Vision, she made another wish. "To become part of that world and live with him". And her powers whammied herself. She became "sitcom Wanda", with no memory of the real world. It wasn't until "Geraldine" mentioned Ultron that her memory started to return. But I can relate to why she didn't want to leave. Bringing back someone you loved would be a powerful thing. I can't imagine saying no to that.
I like this idea but there's a bit more I think. She mentions Pietro before Monica mentions Ultron, remember. And she definitely had some level of awareness when she rewound after the SWORD agent/beekeeper incident. I do agree that (by choice or happenstance) she lost or buried her real memories when she cast the spells, but as soon as cracks started appearing in her new reality (the drone in her hedge, Woo over the radio at Dottie's house, the beekeeper) she began remembering that this reality wasn't all it seemed. Geraldine's "betrayal" only furthered her becoming more aware. Pietro/Ralph's entrance did succeed in confusing her back into sitcom-land for a time, but the almost immediate cracks in his story (looking different, missing accent, randomly knowing post-death but pre-WandaVision events, and especially the comment about Vision) forced her back into reality, as did SWORD's armed drone, leading to the "breakdown" in episode 7 I believe (whichever episode was the depression episode)
I loved that vision asked the hard question of where are the children and in the next episode wanda had the entire town kids out as to to say, See everything is fine, a part of the bargaining phase.
"What is grief, if not love perservering?" This episode aired exactly a week after I found out that my brother had killed himself This episode hurt me more than words can say, but it also reinforced what my therapist had tried to convince me: that I had done everything in my power to help him, and that what happened was ultimately his decision. This episode of WandaVision was probably the catalyst for me to start accepting that he's gone, and to help the rest of my family through the trauma.
Hundreds of Westview residents got to experience Wanda's grief altogether. Imagine how Wanda feels just by herself after all this time. I wish I can be there for her. Thank god this is fiction 😅 Marvel outdid themselves on this one.
@@sos_hodad Alot of people have missed it was her subconscious (which she can't control) doing that. She was not deliberately doing that. Chaos Magic feeds off of her emotions and in the Hex they permeate everything. And the thing with Chaos Magic is the only way to truly learn it and master it is through the Darkhold.
That final location was heavily implied to be Wundagore, a special location. In the comic books, that was where the Maximoffs adopted Wanda and Pietro as infants.
I think the "glossing over" of Wanda's depression makes sense. I mean, if those of us depressed folks had the power that she has to create a fantasy world-to essentially create our own comfortable reality to DISTRACT us from our depression, we would do that in a heartbeat. We distract ourselves with drugs, alcohol, compulsive behavior, etc.; she distracted herself by creating the alternate reality of Westview.
The way you react to this really shows the dramatic side of the series. Younger children would have a hard time understanding this. The show itself is very sad. But it was a wonderful and amazing journey those last few weeks. The excitement for waiting, the questions I everyone had. It was just incredible.
I felt the show glossed over depression as well. There is a specific moment, ironically, the one most people remember. "It can't always be sorrow, can it?" When it comes to clinical depression, YES, yes, it CAN always be sorrow. Vision is a synthezoid, he can be forgiven for speaking from a place of ignorance. I suspect he embodies where most people are when speaking with someone who lives with clinical depression. I would have appreciated more nuance and explanation here. It might have helped a great many people come to better understand clinical depression. It might have offered those living with it a tool to show others when they cannot adequately explain it.
I think the reason why the depression stage in the show was the shortest is bc we've already seen her in that stage in previous films. The creator of the stages of grief themselves said that you don't have to go in order or even go through all 5
This is where, for me, the five stages of grief tends to unravel. It's actually three tools of grief and two places in the mind to vacillate when trying to make sense of a nonsensical world. I feel that while certain episodes of Wanda Vision dealt more specifically with various "stages" of grief, depression doesn't need its own episode because while anger and bargaining and denial are all tools used to avoid acceptance, depression isn't a tool. It's a place. It's a state of mind. It's where you go before acceptance, and it's still there after acceptance. In fact Depression may reside inside Acceptance like The Vatican resides inside Italy, or perhaps Depression rules over Acceptance like the Roman Catholic Church permeates all of humanity. Depression is where we first meet MCU's Wanda. That's where she is when she finds Vision. That's where she is even when he gives her a moment of happiness. He lifts her up but there's too much. He can't completely eradicate her Depression, he can only give her a moment's respite but it's still there. Waiting. Vision was her love. Pietro was her brother. Depression was already there before her parents were lost. It's why she turned to sitcoms in the first place, to escape the reality of a war torn Sakovian neighborhood. She was practically born depressed. That's her wheelhouse. It's all she's ever truly known. Even throughout this show when she's smiling, there's a sadness behind her eyes. Elizabeth Olsen never forgets that deep down this character she's representing is bound to depression. She feels everything, and everything feels wrong. She has the power of gods but even that can't make her happy. They say money can't buy you happiness but it can buy enough distractions to keep your mind off your unhappiness for awhile. As a Survivor myself, who learned to stop fighting with depression a long time ago, I can say this entire series is about depression. It's not just about grief. I once had a meeting with a psychiatrist who met with me briefly and I told him I've always been depressed and he asked why am I depressed now and I summarized for a few minutes what was troubling me at that time and he said "your dad just died, you're getting a divorce and your job security is on thin ice. If you weren't depressed THEN I'd think something was wrong with you." What he didn't understand was that it's always something. I was depressed before those things happened and I'm depressed now and I don't really have specific reason to be. If it's not losing your parents in war torn Europe, it's losing your brother to Ultron. If it's not your fiancé dying because of Thanos it's coming back to life five years later to an empty house. If it's not that it's something else. Some argue that we choose to be depressed. I look at this reality and I don't understand how anybody can choose to not be depressed. THAT, to me, is denial. There's only one rational response to the stimuli of this universe. Depression isn't a tool for dealing with grief and it's not an obstacle to overcome. It's a rational response to an irrational universe. I think Wanda Vision illustrates that via speculative fiction in a very poignant and thought provoking way. it's a great show in that it's going to mean different things to different people, depending on where they are in terms of Depression at the time they experience this. It's gonna hit different people in different ways and that's a great trait of great art. Thanks for your insights, Georgia.
The most amazing thing about this show is, that even with all this meta-narrative about coping with grief, which is done a lot better than in a LOT of other media on this topic, it's still a Marvel comic book movie with CGI laserbeam fights) And i think athe after-credit scene is showing us that unlike us all, who go back to the normal life after all stages of grief and accepting the loss, she's going to hard work on her powers, as she was shown, thatshe CAN change things. And we were shown in the show (nad in some older sources about the Scarlet Witch), that if all this was created by her subconciousness, her well-progressed concious effort could do so much more. Anyway, this review was super-nice, thank you very much! Would love to see some more reviews of pop-media from your perspective)
Gotta say, I still cannot keep it together, when Wanda says "Thanks for choosing me, to be your mom" I don't know why, but it hits me in my core and I cry everytime or will be on the verge. Same with "We'll say hello again". This series was everything I wanted and more.
Respectfully.... The depression thing really hit me with this series and kinda set me straight..... I think the entire series is a testament to her depression especially after that sort of loss and the avoidance that can come with with it... That REALLY resonated with me because I realize I do the same thing frequently.... Personally, there are days I wake up after 8 hours sleep... I know I could get up and do things... I know there are things that need to get done.... but nothing seems as appealing in that moment as going back to sleep, because in sleep I don't have to face the reality... My dreams are actually happy... Even if I don't dream, at least my mind is quiet... Granted a lot of this is avoidance, but, those two tend to go hand in hand with me. I'm not in denial, I KNOW that thing happened, I just don't want to deal with it... Sleep is more peaceful. I know it's not real... But I still hate the alarm clock when it goes off. Wanda is so powerful that she can manifest her dreams into "reality" and that's what she's doing most of the show as she planned it... She's choosing to dream, to "sleep", instead of facing the world, even the one of her creation, not because she doesn't accept reality but just because it's easier.... In this world, her "dream world" everything's still fine... She's content, at least for a while... Because reality is exhausting sometimes...
I freaking love wandavision because it breaks the fourth wall in very subtle ways but never gets too meta with it. My favorite parts of the series, from a purely cinematic point of view, are those were the cinematic bars slowly shift around and become different. It's the most subtle change but it completely changes the feel of a scene.
A year after we see the depths that Wanda could go dealing with such traumatic loss. It was both beautiful and sad to watch. Unfortunately it was not her film so we didn't see much of her and her though processes going through things, but I have nothing but love for Wanda.
As someone who has been studying physiology and lose for 2 years now and someone who has lost a lot I know how she feels, in the beginning I couldn’t believe it so I didn’t, then I got into the anger, my rage flew away from me and hurt those around me with just a look, then when my opportunity came I bargained any way I could to even try and make it better, but then I reached acceptance in knowing my loss is my truth and pain is my beginning for a new chapter, if I had the power to recreate reality when things didn’t happen the way I thought they should we’d be on earth 75 (not saying that is the amount of times things haven’t gone “the right way” it’s just the amount of times I’ve let things get to me)
It was watching videos like yours that I noticed she only changes the era the sitcom is set in whenever she's confronted by something that upsets her or forces her to confront some aspect of her existence that's not part of the fiction
I realize I am grieving and all the posts you’ve made were exactly how I am feeling, I take therapy and I am slowly but surely at the final step of acceptance, all the steps I felt so deeply, thank you♥️
when my husband killed himself 4 years ago and I got a call in the morning that he is dead then I didnt believe it...I remember I called him for a one entire week , not accepting that he is dead and I actually developed hallucinations and I heard him speaking to me , I have seen a psychatrist now for 3 and half years and I take medications everyday and I feel like I finally start feeling like I am ready to move on , grief is very powerful and painful thing , I related to Wanda in this show soo much, also when she went seeeing Visions body mirrored soo well my own experience when I saw my husband, something complitely broe inside me... I have never been the same after that experience
Just a few minutes in and I’m already liking, subscribing, and sharing. Such an important topic that can relate to so many things. And the acting.. soooo goooood!! I love their chemistry.
I love so much the way you are so comprehensive with the character's behaviour. I think so many people could relate to Wanda, or to many character's mental issues you've analised, and I think is so important that people like you shows us that somoene's mind is much more complicated than we see of someone's actions, and how you do it without "blaming" and understanding instead, makes me feel so nice watching your videos, that's why always cry with them xD!
When somebody repeats that they are fine, I think they are doing it to convince themselves that they are fine so that they can continue to live in denial.
I guess we all felt lost in different ways, I don't know if what I suffer was or still is grief in some way, but after I suffer the death of each one of the three of my dogs on my arms, unable to do anything to save them from their destiny, I lost the willing of living, my most loved members of my family are in other countries and I never going to see them again and now, I'm alone in another country knowing that I can't go back to see any member of my family ever again. The only thought that I have on my head sometimes is that they are all dead and I have nothing to live for, only wait for my own death. I'm almost in my 30's but still, I sometimes can't forgive myself for all the past losses.
It's very hard for this show to spend a lot of time on depression. Not only is it difficult from a production perspective, but depression usually comes from a place of helplessness..... of powerlessness.... Wanda is anything but powerless.... and she knows it. Even at the end we see her pursuing ever more power in an attempt to undo her loss. She STILL hasn't dealt with denial. She still feels she has the power to reverse her loss. Once she accepts even she can't.... then depression will become much bigger part of her grieving process.
I watched Wanda vision before loosing my mom and I felt bad for her but now after loosing her I relate so so much to her I would do anything to bring her back💔💔
this video is just wonderful and is helping me with some stuff ive had to deal with but it was by my own hand sadly and it took alot for me to understand why and where it was coming from i sometimes get scared to lose someone or something that i actually end up cause it to be lost and i also have a lot of fear self dought and i tend to overthink and have panic attacks and anxiety and depression and sometimes it has made me into something i hated and throught and ive had to come to terms with accepting and looking at parts of myself and my past and it also took people saying certain thing to me to make me be like thats where it came from and watch this video does help me along with other things ive been doing to help myself
I am realizing I went thru denial, but not in death, more loneliness, because when I was 5 I sort of created the illusion of my best friend being with me in a summer camp for 4 days. I would spend about 1 hour alone, because everyone but me was inside, and then for 20 minutes or so, I would be with her, but turns out, it wasn’t her. I found out she wasn’t there and it’s pretty impossible that it’s just a messed up memory. And also went thru repressing a lot of trauma, and just now I am realizing it and what actually happened, and dealing with 14 years of it.
Thank you, I appreciate that acknowledgement you’re human too. You understand what may trigger even you, a professional got tearful because it wasn’t a session but reaction that we all felt as a whole communal audience. Finding out my ex-fiancé (forever my beloved), died the day before on Facebook. I screamed same time as my boss calls, his family called my workplace. Seeing Wanda breakdown and just let it all out a cathartic moment, I understood.
In school I learned about Freud and abou development and also about Regression and so much that shes done in wandavision just speaks for it. I hope I explain it correctly. English isnt my first language. As a child she grew up at the edge of a warzone as we learn. She often watched these sitcoms with her family and it comforted her. Even after she lost his brother she always came back to sitcoms. Now she essentially lost everyone who was close to. Her parents, her brother, her lover and her best friend. And she draws back into the only comfort she ever had. Sitcoms. The reality where she has the control, where whenever something bad happened, it was just a funny scene and everything will have its happy end. I love how in every episode, something tragic happens and the era changes. Just like shes trying to escape into another sitcom, where she just starts again Until she comes to terms in the end
Tony Stark would be interesting to view across his whole run in the MCU, with everything he's had to go through emotionally including: survivor's/witness' guilt - Iron Man 1/Captain America Civil War imminent mortality - Iron Man 2 ptsd - Iron Man 3
Omg I absolutely loved this breakdown of the show and dealing with grief and depression. Thank you Soo much for making this video. I’m so glad I found it 😊❤️
Personally, I thought that it also worked as an allegory for c-PTSD, which explains a bit of the unexplainable through the grief-only lens. Dissociative episodes. The uneven way depression hits. Her distrust of people, etc, fits more into c-ptsd than it does grief.
I just realized something. Inside the hex she’s in AMERICAN sitcoms so she doesn’t have her accent. Only when she leaves it or chooses to end it (the final scenes with the twins/Vision) does her accent come back.
When your in extreme cases of trauma or grief, you can black memories/moments out. When she left vision's body she probably remembers driving to westview and everything but when she looked at that deed and realized all she lost, i believe thats when she blacked out and created the hex which is why when everyone ask her how did you do this, she has a bewildered confused look on her face. Her conscious mind was fractured into two. We operate from our conscious mind which is about 10% of our brain. Wanda chaos magic laid dormmate in the subconscious( 90%) until the grief and pain was soo intense that her conscious mind totally or partially collapsed allowing the sub to leak in and manifest the hex, causing her conscious mind to black it out while she was doing it.
Watching the 80’s ‘Batman Returns’ and wondering how one would... categorize Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman. She is very interesting in this movie! Could you react to that movie someday?
That certainly would be an interesting one. All I can guess. is some kind of personality disorder brought on by head trauma. I loved that outfit though.
@@FinneyAjak Has any of the members been announced because I’ve seen a young avengers movie a long time ago and... nevermind. I just looked it up. The movie was The Next Avengers. How did I mix that up?
@@RedK5 Antman’ daughter, Casey has been confirmed for becoming an new hero in the Antman quantum maniac. Kate Bishop is in Hawkeye series. Patriot is rumoured in Falcon and Winter soldier. Hulking may in upcoming in Secret invasion or Captain Marvel 2 . Also there are rumours that Disney is casting young Loki , we ARE know that this mf is will reincarnation on some point
@@FinneyAjak I heard they are planning to recast Casey but I don't understand why Edit: or was that someone else's daughter from the movie. It's been awhile since I heard that so I might be fuzzy on that
Please react to Ep.01 of Loki: Tons of things to analyse, especially in the scenes one-on-one between Mobius and Loki (Projection, introspection and dealing with grief, guilt, anger, etc.)
Firstly...thank you for making this video. I've always been interested in things like this, how superpowered beings deal with things that every ordinary human can go through. I'd also like to say that you remind me of Courtney Miller.
I'm just glad superpowers aren't real. Or your job could be to wind up being professionally intruding into reality warper's fantasy worlds just to check up on them or try to get them out for a living. Wanda could have been magnitudes worse but she at least chose sitcoms instead of some hellscape it could have easily been a wartorn hell of her youth magnified by her powers.
My ex-husband's family lost someone very close to them. It was a tragic car accident, she was 19 years old, it happened 17 years ago. She was my ex's sister, and they were very close. After the accident the family created a false reality, and total codependent relationship around the addict mother. They created a false narrative about how close they are, and they had to at all costs protect the mother. It was to the point the house my husband owned (his childhood home) was virtually a shrine to the dead sister. As his wife I wasn't allowed to move any of her paintings or photos (which there was a ton of). Any decor in the common areas was his mostly his dead sisters stuff, and what my husband wanted. What I wanted was only allowed in rooms that people didn't really go to. There was even this disturbing finger painting (from when the sister was a child) upstairs right outside of our bedroom. I wasn't even allowed to move a bed, or a poweraide bottle that sat in the room for 17 years. Our marital bedroom was he and his dead sisters childhood room. The family had secret rules, either cookie cutter into their fantasy world, where the mother had all of the control over my husband and the house, or get out. So I was driven out, but a series of his mother doing things to deliberately hurt me. She punched me twice, and said it was just play. She would leave trash, matches, make hurtful comments. And my ex refused to believe his mother did them deliberately. He refused to believe or see his mother manipulates him. So when my father died last year, I had a break down. I was struggling with my marriage, depression, childhood trauma and my fathers death. The family had little to no regard for my loss. As only their loss mattered. A month after my father died my dog nearly choked to death, so asking for advice FB in regards to this, his entire psycho family attacked me. And four months after my fathers death, my husband wanted a divorce. After four years of me not being allowed to even move a painting for my own art work to be displayed! I gave it a few months, and then he kept pushing and divorce me a few days before Christmas! They still choose after 17 years to live in this alternate realty.
years ago, my mom, and sister ended up arguing to the point where my sister felt that she had to leave us to live with her biological mother who lived in America.(We were living in Canada.)Then years after that, my mom, and step dad made a decision to move to the United States so that we could live closer to his biological parents. He went first, then Mom, and I got rid of the cats by giving them to somebody else, and all of our belongings that didn't fit into the vehicle. After that, we tried to follow him to Texas, but the border patrol wouldn't let us across the border because we had too much stuff in the vehicle. We had no idea what we should do, so we called my Grandma who lived in Minnesota to ask her what we could do because the place we were renting was given to somebody else. She knew a lady who had a cabin, and we stayed in that cabin for a year. It had very limited food, and water, and was infested with mice, and shrews in the winter, and ticks in the spring, and summer. It was a summer cabin not built for winter, so it was very cold. In that cabin, my dad sent divorce papers, so that didn't help. It was in that cabin that mom, and I started to experience grief, and it was a very strong grief that we both were experiencing that we ended up lying to ourselves, and couldn't see the truth. Mom became a victim to scammers in Africa, and she would send them money when we were both suffering instead of using that money to take care of us. I thought of home, and created a false reality to make up for the fact that I knew that we would both probably die in that cabin. We got kicked out of that cabin, and I got a ride from the landlord to stay with my grandparents this time with nothing, but clothes, and because mom didn't want to give up her car that she couldn't afford anymore, she got herself a tent, and lived in a campsite. Eventually, I got found out by the border patrol, and when they found out that I was staying there because I had no food, or water, or basic things that I needed, and was staying with them to get those basic needs, they helped me make a better life for myself than what I had, but I experienced my first panic attack when I got sent back to Canada because it reminded me of the time that we couldn't get across the border to live with my step dad. I stopped at the Canadian border patrol, and because they also wanted to help, a lady who worked there said that if victim services couldn't help, I should call her, and she would have a place that I could stay with her. Victim services put me in a few hotels, and the first one was across the road from the campsite that my mom was staying at, so I walked behind her, and said hi. At that moment she was showing a backpacker pictures of me. I helped her pack her things as it rained, and the wind blew to the point where it destroyed her tent, and by the next morning, the ground was flooded with water. Victim services gave us a few more hotel rooms to stay at, but they said that there was nothing that they could do to help us. So I used the hotels WIFI to find a place where my mom could stay, and I found a women's shelter in a nearby town. I called the lady at the border who said for me to call her, and I said that I needed a place to stay, and I told my mom to drop me off at the address that the lady who said that I could stay with her gave me, and I went to stay with her while my mom stayed at the women's shelter. Eventually I had to leave there because their grand daughter needed the room that I was living in, so they sent me to live with my mom, but the problem was that I was an 18 year old man, so I was not allowed to live in the women's shelter because I was not a girl, so they kicked me out, and my mom set up a place for me to stay at a place that was through the hospital for homeless people with disabilities, and I was both because I had autism, and probably more mental problems like grief, and I was homeless. I stayed there for about half a year, and couldn't do my school work because I needed to process everything that had happened up to this point because I had to be strong for my mom until I had that chance to grieve, and because I felt like I had lost everything, and everyone, I became depressed, and continued to want something that wasn't real. I so badly wanted to go back that I promised myself that I would come back when mom was safe because she didn't want to come back. I called my biological father who I barely knew to come, and get me, and he sent her girlfriend who brought me back to the place where I wanted to be. I stayed with her for over a year, but the problem is that I think I made my grief worse by making that denial a reality, and now I am getting myself all of the things that I should have gotten before like my grade 12 education, but it feels like a fantasy ,and now I realize that what was happening when I was with my mom, besides my delusions, that was real. Now I need to leave all of it behind because it isn't real, and it is very hard to do. Before I wrote this comment, I wasn't sure what I need to do, but it helped to walk myself through it, and make me realize that I need to give up this false reality. I am confused, but I think that I know what I need to do, but before I make a final decision, I need clarity. Does anybody have any idea how I can get that clarity?
I am happy you are at this part of your journey. I think you should find someone to be with you to help you make these choices. If you can find a therapist or another person who you feel trust with, I wish you the best and I hope you keep working towards it. We are rooting for you. Thank you for sharing this personal journey
@@GeorgiaDow On the tenth I go to see PDD, so maybe I should tell them about this, and they can set me up with a therapist that I can talk to. Everybody around me is kind of experiencing their own challenges with what has happened, and what is going on. I think that the best thing that I can do would be to talk to a therapist for clarity. The people I live with kind of made my false reality a reality, so I don't think that I can trust them to help me get clarity. I think that they would make it even more unclear. You are welcome, and thank you for your suggestions, wishing me the best with my journey. I love your content, and find it very helpful. I think that I speak for all of your viewers when I say thank you so much for this content, and for helping us understand what is happening in our own lives, and for telling us what we need to do about it. You are an amazing person, and thank you so much for the work that you do.
Wandavision Also hit me hard I lost the love of my life A few years before this show aired I don't know I know depression bad. During that time I did not care at all about myself. I wanted to end it but I was not going to carry out that pushing way. But I was little reckless. Trying to cause arguments and fights. A man who does not care is a dangerous man. Correctly frighteningly I moved on still still depressed at times for the worst. We went together for 10 years, and they were the happiest kids in my life were likely to appreciate it now. But before even thinking about the good Times were hard on me. I think reminds the Pope Britney said that's all what is grief but love persevering I Feel that I can move on with my life. However, I am scared to love someone again. Because I don't know if I could go through that again.
My boyfriend and I watched this he’s been in grief over the loss of his brother for 5 years now he’s not in a healthy place but I try my best to help him coupe
The big thing here, is that all these superheroes...are screwed. Because, people like yourself are not, at all, qualified to help them work through their shit. That's not to say you don't know what you're doing, or that you aren't good at it, because frankly I have every confidence that you are indeed knowledgeable and skilled at such...just that these types of fictional characters have been through so much impossible shit, through events that are so almost incomprehensibly huge, that no therapist who ever COULD exist, would ever be qualified to deal with the sheer scale of their issues. . Wanda grew up in a war zone, her parents killed by that war, she and her brother brainwashed by a secret organization, and exposed to a mind-screwing alien artifact from the beginning of existence. She was given a second chance, and she lost it. She found someone to love, and was forced to MURDER him, only to see him brought back and then murdered again in front of her, along with realizing the scope of her failure to stop Thanos. Then she was wiped out of existence, and brought back 5 years later to a world in absolute chaos. All of this through powers that completely defy all reality in the first place. . Nobody could really help her. Nobody can really help any of them. It's too much, it's too big. They're plain doomed. All that can be done is to make sure they're pointed at a bad guy when they finally snap...and maybe pump the psychological brakes now and then to buy time until then. . You can even see it in the new The Falcon & The Winter Soldier. Bucky IS in therapy, and it's doing him fuck-all good. Sure, his therapist is a veteran herself, but she hasn't seen jack compared to what Bucky has had to deal with. Catastrophic trauma, torture, brainwashing, culture shock of his leap-frogging through the years, carrying the burden of being an assassin for the same organization that screwed over Wanda and her brother. And then he too was a part of the effort to try and save the world, and failed. She's in no position at all to help him, and it's painfully obvious. It's just entirely and utterly beyond what anyone who wasn't a part of it, could ever comprehend or find any meaningful way to interact with.
I wouldn't say it was "this time by her own choice, because that was the right thing to do". In Infinity War Wanda was strong enough to do just that. And she saw it was only to cause her more pain in the future...she is a hero.
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Pls do falcon and the wintersoldier. Bucky fights against ptsd and falcon goes trough the problams off racism.
I lost my fiancee in a car accident when we were in our 20s. I'm in my early 40s now. When I tell you this show made me bawl even after all this time........ That "grief is love persevering" line knocked me over. I've been single since he died. Edit - thank you all so much for your sweet comments and support. I really do appreciate it.
I'm so sorry to hear that
@@BROLY93 thank you.
I am so sorry to hear that. I hope that you heal. Thank you for sharing with us a touch of your journey.
@ GeorgiaTIPb thank you
@@sos_hodad hugs to you. Thank you.
A lot of people were attacking Wanda for what she did, seeing her as a bad guy but I don’t think this was a story of good or bad, it a story of grief and coming to terms with loss and her new abilities.
i don't think it's generally very useful to categorize people as "good" or "bad", but the terms "hero" and "villain" are usually a bit more objective, based on the results of a person's actions. i've definitely been one of those people observing that wanda is the biggest villain in her own show. i don't mean it as an attack, just a simple statement of fact -- she did torture thousands of people. and while we can say it wasn't intentional, the fact that it continued as long as it did was definitely negligent. her ignorance was willful. she didn't want to know the effects of her actions. i don't judge her as "bad". i understand what she was going thru. but she was the villain.
@@sirmoonslosthismind villain works, the people of Westview definitely see her as that. There’s many that call her evil but I can’t see her as that, just like when they tried calling her a terrorist and Monica said it doesn’t apply.
@@davivsa Also the fact that Monica said that she would do the same thing as Wanda just to bring back her mother.
@@zeroskaterz92 I felt the same way, I try to view things in the perspective of the town people but grief is very powerful as we saw with Wanda.
Everyone handles grief differently, some go through the stages quicker or slower than others, some people might seem alright for a while but eventually they come to a realisation that it happened and grief hits them like a truck. With Wanda I think we see after losing Vision at the time of his death she didn't have time to properly grieve and it was made into anger instead, when WandaVision happens we see Wanda finally being able to grieve however because she wasn't able to grieve for so long it hits her like a truck and causes a massive outburst of not only emotion but with that her power which creates an entire fantasy world where she doesn't have to deal with those painful and overwhelming emotions.
The different Quicksilver coming in was also her bargaining, I believe. She knew it wasn't her brother and she was still willing to accept it because she miss him so much and want him back
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@@GeorgiaDow can you please react to some scenes of doctor strange In the multiverse of madness please
@@adelshawish3324 Oo that's a great idea!
You should do PTSD on the Falcon and The Winter Solider. Bucky dealing with it in that first episode is just wow.
That would be a good one. I'm not sure he got enough screen time for a thorough review, but I'd be curious to see a video on that as well.
Also his doubt about himself and trusting only one person's words, Steve's. Then the fear that even that one person might've been wrong about him after all, leaving him to think of himself as a monster again
The second episode is givinb black americans and black vets ptsd too
Omg yeah
And now second
When Wanda was talking about how her sadness and grief comes over her like a series of waves that just gonna drown her... that really hit home for me. I cried because I hate when tv shows relate to my life better than other people do. When a tv show has more social skills than everyone else
we are all just trying to do better. I hope you feel better.
I used to hate that too, because I longed for years for someone to finally "get" it. I have met people over the years who do, mostly in passing. My best friend understands fully. But when I don't have them in hard moments I'm glad I have shows like this. Love to you xx
Same sadly tv shows relate more to us than people themselves
in a span of just over three years, I lost my older brother, father, and mother. my whole world was spinning out of control. thankfully, I still had my older sister and my wife to hold me together.
I hope you’re doing okay now! That sounds rough.
Sending all the love in the world ❤️
I know it didn't show a LOT about the depression. Only the falling on her knees, going deep into her past and seeing her locked in a cell and talking to Vision. BUT we have seen her in a depressed state in other films. The thing is that she actually just lost Vision, the one that pulled her out of the past depression. She may have to go through this process all over again over his death. She was at least able to leave him this time on her own terms.
They showed more about depression than just the kneeling scene. That was basically the whole theme of the show: grief and denial. The fact that she enslaved the whole town just to satisfy her grief is another good thing they pointed out. It shows how depression will make people do things that are bad, even if these things can temporary take away the person's emotional pain. Another good thing I noticed is how Wanda didn't even remember that she was the one who created the Hex and how even she created it. It was until the later episodes that she started to realize that she was in control of Westview, and it wasn't until she and Agatha revisited her memories that she realized that she had actually used chaos magic to create the Hex, even when she didn't know she had this ability. She completely blocked out this memory, and this is very common in people who are dealing depression. Their brain completely blocks out certain memories to prevent more trauma, therefore sometimes they're unaware of their actions.
I'm not a therapist by any means, but I have a friend who suffers from depression and depression is like chronic pain. It's constant, or it comes and goes but when it's there it's debilitating and long lasting. What Wanda experienced was grief. Break down, scream as loud as you can grief, which is different than depression. Maybe I'm splitting too many hairs but I don't think depression, in the standard sense, is right word to use to define Wanda in this series. Grief, yes. Frustration, loss, anger, yes. Depression, not exactly.
@Jeff Erckert Right? Everyone is saying that they don't show her being depressive and like... depression doesn't always looks like anguish. I've had 3 depressive episodes over my life and only one of them I felt constant, overwhelming angst and anxiety. The other times? it was numbness. Just, not wanting to interact with anyone, not wanting to get up of bed and when I did, I was just.. without direction. I couldn't care, not even for those I loved and for the things I was always interested about. My best friend has depression and it's just like that too. I think Wanda's went through pain and angst before, and after this entire 5 stages of grief, the tired, nub kind of depression made more sense.
What you mean?! If you understand and know what depression is then you should know this series showed Wanda’s depression through the whole thing ! You need to learn more !
@@JoelWalker56this! wanda repressed so many memories & we got to see how she wholeheartedly believed her reality was real. especially her children.
the Voice "maybe this is what you deserve" actually is revealed to be Agatha in a later episode
And some sleuths on either Twitter or Reddit pitched up the voice to reveal it was actually Kathryn Hahn who said the line, with her voice artificially pitched down in post (an absolute genius move by the show)
@@dwell7315 I thought it kinda sounded like her
It's been Agatha all along
Yes, it been Agatha all along
That voice creeped me out
the music when Wanda finally releases her emotions (standing on the home site) is so perfect (I'm a music teacher, btw).
Christophe Beck did awesome work
The score in this is music teacher candy.
Bravo to Marvel for diving so deep into Wanda’s grief and how she feels. I really wanna just give Wanda a hug, she needs it.
I had an english teacher, who once shared her experience of grief when she lost her husband. She said that during the day when her husband is supposed to be burried, she woke up and prepared for the day. To her mind, it is supposed to be a happy day, her wedding day. Her family came to get her, worried. They talked, then she snapped back to reality and broke down.
Wwoooww😢
The good thing is: her kids aren’t gone forever! Tommy and Billy are set to be in the young avengers and their souls were given to two different mothers. She’s most likely going to find them again in the next Doctor Strange movie so she at least gets that back :)
@@butbetter5908 They have been seen on the doctor strange set AND they're in the Young Avengers which this phase has been setting up so its safe to assume they will be back. For example, Kate Bishop will be in Hawkeye, we already have Cassie Lang/Stature, we JUST got Patriot in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Miss America is set to appear in the next Doctor Strange movie, thats been confirmed. So we are only missing Hulkling. So its safe to assume they'll be back.
reincarnation
@@scarletmanning My guess is an extra-dimensional entity, most likely Chthon took them before the Hex was destroyed. It was Chthon via the Darkhold who was trying to stop Wanda from becoming Scarlet Witch by saying that would destroy the world. The Mind Stone, by showing Wanda that vision of her future self, exposed the Darkhold's deceit.
@@butbetter5908 members of the young avengers have been making appearances. The next generation is being set up. Theyll be back
@@butbetter5908 they were still “alive” in the post credit scene, and since a bunch of other young avengers characters are showing up in the other properties I think it’s safe to say they are going to do the Young Avengers
I’ve always seen the darkhold as a metaphor for alcoholism or addiction for Wanda- especially in MoM. Just because we go through the five stages of grief and come to terms with our loss doesn’t mean it’s okay and Wanda is still clearly depressed at giving up her dream life and family, and then picks up the darkhold as a distraction from her pain (to learn about her power) and the more she reads from it/ uses it the more this false sense of joy and happiness is promised to her without realising that it’s destroying her, making her angry and spiteful and even accelerating her destructive emotional state.
This show really helped me get through the passing of my little brother who would've been 7 now.
I’m so sorry about your loss
I am so sorry for your loss
Oh my God. I have two brothers, both younger. I honestly don't know what I would be able to do if one of them passed.
But I am truly sorry you are having to go through this.
Jasmin be true in these days.
This makes WandaVision even more heartbreaking
I loved this show so much
I watched this through a lens of Crisis Intervention. Especially looking at Monica and Hayward as two different approaches to a person in crisis. Seeing how Wanda viewed even Monica as an aggressor. There's a lot going on there. Even Agatha has a role.
I guess it makes sense. When you're not ready to face the pain of your situation even the most well-meaning person can feel intrusive and aggressive. I would be very surprised if the writer didn't have an intimate understanding of grief, depression, ptsd. They portrayed these themes so accurately.
@@elizabethification771 we tell the officers that they can't control people's reactions to them. They might resemble an abusive family member and there's no immediate fix for that. In the case of the show it was the truth that triggered Wanda, and that's an important thing to be aware of.
@@fad23 Absolutely agree!
“What is grief, if not love persisting” - Vision. By far the best quote ever 🥺🥰😔
It's "What is grief, if not love persevering."
Been waiting on this one! Thanks for explaining the ins-and-outs of Wanda and the stages of grief!
Hey rene did not expect to see you here!
Wow, youtube threw this into my suggestion list. Really beautiful dissection of Wandavision.
I think she made two wishes. One was the creation of the hex when she wished somehow that she could be with Vision again. But I also think when she saw the newly created Vision, she made another wish. "To become part of that world and live with him". And her powers whammied herself. She became "sitcom Wanda", with no memory of the real world. It wasn't until "Geraldine" mentioned Ultron that her memory started to return. But I can relate to why she didn't want to leave. Bringing back someone you loved would be a powerful thing. I can't imagine saying no to that.
I like this idea but there's a bit more I think. She mentions Pietro before Monica mentions Ultron, remember. And she definitely had some level of awareness when she rewound after the SWORD agent/beekeeper incident. I do agree that (by choice or happenstance) she lost or buried her real memories when she cast the spells, but as soon as cracks started appearing in her new reality (the drone in her hedge, Woo over the radio at Dottie's house, the beekeeper) she began remembering that this reality wasn't all it seemed. Geraldine's "betrayal" only furthered her becoming more aware. Pietro/Ralph's entrance did succeed in confusing her back into sitcom-land for a time, but the almost immediate cracks in his story (looking different, missing accent, randomly knowing post-death but pre-WandaVision events, and especially the comment about Vision) forced her back into reality, as did SWORD's armed drone, leading to the "breakdown" in episode 7 I believe (whichever episode was the depression episode)
I loved that vision asked the hard question of where are the children and in the next episode wanda had the entire town kids out as to to say, See everything is fine, a part of the bargaining phase.
I love wanda because her character is more focused on the emotional state a superhero has to go through and what they sacrifice
"What is grief, if not love perservering?"
This episode aired exactly a week after I found out that my brother had killed himself
This episode hurt me more than words can say, but it also reinforced what my therapist had tried to convince me: that I had done everything in my power to help him, and that what happened was ultimately his decision.
This episode of WandaVision was probably the catalyst for me to start accepting that he's gone, and to help the rest of my family through the trauma.
Hundreds of Westview residents got to experience Wanda's grief altogether. Imagine how Wanda feels just by herself after all this time. I wish I can be there for her. Thank god this is fiction 😅 Marvel outdid themselves on this one.
@@sos_hodad Alot of people have missed it was her subconscious (which she can't control) doing that. She was not deliberately doing that. Chaos Magic feeds off of her emotions and in the Hex they permeate everything.
And the thing with Chaos Magic is the only way to truly learn it and master it is through the Darkhold.
Actually it was 3,000 residents
@@U_vitled You just had to mention that Endgame meme
@@Relugus she was completely aware she was controlling a town
The depression came when we watched the last episode and realised - it's over.
That final location was heavily implied to be Wundagore, a special location. In the comic books, that was where the Maximoffs adopted Wanda and Pietro as infants.
It's where Chthon wrote the Darkhold, and where he imbued her with his Chaos Magic.
I think the "glossing over" of Wanda's depression makes sense. I mean, if those of us depressed folks had the power that she has to create a fantasy world-to essentially create our own comfortable reality to DISTRACT us from our depression, we would do that in a heartbeat. We distract ourselves with drugs, alcohol, compulsive behavior, etc.; she distracted herself by creating the alternate reality of Westview.
The way you react to this really shows the dramatic side of the series. Younger children would have a hard time understanding this. The show itself is very sad. But it was a wonderful and amazing journey those last few weeks. The excitement for waiting, the questions I everyone had. It was just incredible.
I felt the show glossed over depression as well. There is a specific moment, ironically, the one most people remember. "It can't always be sorrow, can it?" When it comes to clinical depression, YES, yes, it CAN always be sorrow. Vision is a synthezoid, he can be forgiven for speaking from a place of ignorance. I suspect he embodies where most people are when speaking with someone who lives with clinical depression. I would have appreciated more nuance and explanation here. It might have helped a great many people come to better understand clinical depression. It might have offered those living with it a tool to show others when they cannot adequately explain it.
I think the reason why the depression stage in the show was the shortest is bc we've already seen her in that stage in previous films. The creator of the stages of grief themselves said that you don't have to go in order or even go through all 5
This show was a beautiful depiction of grief.
This is where, for me, the five stages of grief tends to unravel. It's actually three tools of grief and two places in the mind to vacillate when trying to make sense of a nonsensical world.
I feel that while certain episodes of Wanda Vision dealt more specifically with various "stages" of grief, depression doesn't need its own episode because while anger and bargaining and denial are all tools used to avoid acceptance, depression isn't a tool. It's a place. It's a state of mind. It's where you go before acceptance, and it's still there after acceptance. In fact Depression may reside inside Acceptance like The Vatican resides inside Italy, or perhaps Depression rules over Acceptance like the Roman Catholic Church permeates all of humanity. Depression is where we first meet MCU's Wanda. That's where she is when she finds Vision. That's where she is even when he gives her a moment of happiness. He lifts her up but there's too much. He can't completely eradicate her Depression, he can only give her a moment's respite but it's still there. Waiting. Vision was her love. Pietro was her brother. Depression was already there before her parents were lost. It's why she turned to sitcoms in the first place, to escape the reality of a war torn Sakovian neighborhood. She was practically born depressed. That's her wheelhouse. It's all she's ever truly known. Even throughout this show when she's smiling, there's a sadness behind her eyes. Elizabeth Olsen never forgets that deep down this character she's representing is bound to depression. She feels everything, and everything feels wrong. She has the power of gods but even that can't make her happy. They say money can't buy you happiness but it can buy enough distractions to keep your mind off your unhappiness for awhile.
As a Survivor myself, who learned to stop fighting with depression a long time ago, I can say this entire series is about depression. It's not just about grief. I once had a meeting with a psychiatrist who met with me briefly and I told him I've always been depressed and he asked why am I depressed now and I summarized for a few minutes what was troubling me at that time and he said "your dad just died, you're getting a divorce and your job security is on thin ice. If you weren't depressed THEN I'd think something was wrong with you." What he didn't understand was that it's always something. I was depressed before those things happened and I'm depressed now and I don't really have specific reason to be. If it's not losing your parents in war torn Europe, it's losing your brother to Ultron. If it's not your fiancé dying because of Thanos it's coming back to life five years later to an empty house. If it's not that it's something else. Some argue that we choose to be depressed. I look at this reality and I don't understand how anybody can choose to not be depressed. THAT, to me, is denial. There's only one rational response to the stimuli of this universe. Depression isn't a tool for dealing with grief and it's not an obstacle to overcome. It's a rational response to an irrational universe. I think Wanda Vision illustrates that via speculative fiction in a very poignant and thought provoking way. it's a great show in that it's going to mean different things to different people, depending on where they are in terms of Depression at the time they experience this. It's gonna hit different people in different ways and that's a great trait of great art.
Thanks for your insights, Georgia.
The most amazing thing about this show is, that even with all this meta-narrative about coping with grief, which is done a lot better than in a LOT of other media on this topic, it's still a Marvel comic book movie with CGI laserbeam fights) And i think athe after-credit scene is showing us that unlike us all, who go back to the normal life after all stages of grief and accepting the loss, she's going to hard work on her powers, as she was shown, thatshe CAN change things. And we were shown in the show (nad in some older sources about the Scarlet Witch), that if all this was created by her subconciousness, her well-progressed concious effort could do so much more.
Anyway, this review was super-nice, thank you very much! Would love to see some more reviews of pop-media from your perspective)
I would love to spend another hour with my grandmother and tell her all that I’ve been doing since she passed away almost 3 years ago.
Gotta say, I still cannot keep it together, when Wanda says "Thanks for choosing me, to be your mom" I don't know why, but it hits me in my core and I cry everytime or will be on the verge. Same with "We'll say hello again". This series was everything I wanted and more.
Please do Azula from last air bender!! I think everyone can agree we would love an experts point of view on her!
Yes
That would be amazing! The only thing is that avatar is extremely long but It is worth watching!
That would be so cool, I would also like to see her review the comics too if she does that
Agree
3:40 reminds me of Sherlock (BBC version) where he rewrote his memories because the loss of his childhood friend was too traumatic.
Respectfully.... The depression thing really hit me with this series and kinda set me straight..... I think the entire series is a testament to her depression especially after that sort of loss and the avoidance that can come with with it...
That REALLY resonated with me because I realize I do the same thing frequently.... Personally, there are days I wake up after 8 hours sleep... I know I could get up and do things... I know there are things that need to get done.... but nothing seems as appealing in that moment as going back to sleep, because in sleep I don't have to face the reality... My dreams are actually happy... Even if I don't dream, at least my mind is quiet... Granted a lot of this is avoidance, but, those two tend to go hand in hand with me. I'm not in denial, I KNOW that thing happened, I just don't want to deal with it... Sleep is more peaceful.
I know it's not real... But I still hate the alarm clock when it goes off.
Wanda is so powerful that she can manifest her dreams into "reality" and that's what she's doing most of the show as she planned it...
She's choosing to dream, to "sleep", instead of facing the world, even the one of her creation, not because she doesn't accept reality but just because it's easier.... In this world, her "dream world" everything's still fine... She's content, at least for a while... Because reality is exhausting sometimes...
Applause...very professional and excellent assessment.
I freaking love wandavision because it breaks the fourth wall in very subtle ways but never gets too meta with it. My favorite parts of the series, from a purely cinematic point of view, are those were the cinematic bars slowly shift around and become different. It's the most subtle change but it completely changes the feel of a scene.
A year after we see the depths that Wanda could go dealing with such traumatic loss. It was both beautiful and sad to watch. Unfortunately it was not her film so we didn't see much of her and her though processes going through things, but I have nothing but love for Wanda.
As someone who has been studying physiology and lose for 2 years now and someone who has lost a lot I know how she feels, in the beginning I couldn’t believe it so I didn’t, then I got into the anger, my rage flew away from me and hurt those around me with just a look, then when my opportunity came I bargained any way I could to even try and make it better, but then I reached acceptance in knowing my loss is my truth and pain is my beginning for a new chapter, if I had the power to recreate reality when things didn’t happen the way I thought they should we’d be on earth 75 (not saying that is the amount of times things haven’t gone “the right way” it’s just the amount of times I’ve let things get to me)
It was watching videos like yours that I noticed she only changes the era the sitcom is set in whenever she's confronted by something that upsets her or forces her to confront some aspect of her existence that's not part of the fiction
You just gave me another dimension of wandavision for me
❤️ I really enjoyed your reaction on Wanda Vision: very insightful. Blessings on your day!
I realize I am grieving and all the posts you’ve made were exactly how I am feeling, I take therapy and I am slowly but surely at the final step of acceptance, all the steps I felt so deeply, thank you♥️
Thank you for sharing. Keep getting better- my thoughts are with you
honestly, I am satisfied with the time that I have had with my loved ones, so I don't need to have one more moment with them.
when my husband killed himself 4 years ago and I got a call in the morning that he is dead then I didnt believe it...I remember I called him for a one entire week , not accepting that he is dead and I actually developed hallucinations and I heard him speaking to me , I have seen a psychatrist now for 3 and half years and I take medications everyday and I feel like I finally start feeling like I am ready to move on , grief is very powerful and painful thing , I related to Wanda in this show soo much, also when she went seeeing Visions body mirrored soo well my own experience when I saw my husband, something complitely broe inside me... I have never been the same after that experience
This is the best thing besides WandaVision itself. Thank you so much.
Just a few minutes in and I’m already liking, subscribing, and sharing. Such an important topic that can relate to so many things. And the acting.. soooo goooood!! I love their chemistry.
I love so much the way you are so comprehensive with the character's behaviour. I think so many people could relate to Wanda, or to many character's mental issues you've analised, and I think is so important that people like you shows us that somoene's mind is much more complicated than we see of someone's actions, and how you do it without "blaming" and understanding instead, makes me feel so nice watching your videos, that's why always cry with them xD!
I loved hearing your take on this! Another fantastic video and your background setup is just gorgeous!
When somebody repeats that they are fine, I think they are doing it to convince themselves that they are fine so that they can continue to live in denial.
that does sometimes happen
I guess we all felt lost in different ways, I don't know if what I suffer was or still is grief in some way, but after I suffer the death of each one of the three of my dogs on my arms, unable to do anything to save them from their destiny, I lost the willing of living, my most loved members of my family are in other countries and I never going to see them again and now, I'm alone in another country knowing that I can't go back to see any member of my family ever again. The only thought that I have on my head sometimes is that they are all dead and I have nothing to live for, only wait for my own death. I'm almost in my 30's but still, I sometimes can't forgive myself for all the past losses.
It's very hard for this show to spend a lot of time on depression. Not only is it difficult from a production perspective, but depression usually comes from a place of helplessness..... of powerlessness....
Wanda is anything but powerless.... and she knows it.
Even at the end we see her pursuing ever more power in an attempt to undo her loss. She STILL hasn't dealt with denial. She still feels she has the power to reverse her loss. Once she accepts even she can't.... then depression will become much bigger part of her grieving process.
I watched Wanda vision before loosing my mom and I felt bad for her but now after loosing her I relate so so much to her I would do anything to bring her back💔💔
this video is just wonderful and is helping me with some stuff ive had to deal with but it was by my own hand sadly and it took alot for me to understand why and where it was coming from i sometimes get scared to lose someone or something that i actually end up cause it to be lost and i also have a lot of fear self dought and i tend to overthink and have panic attacks and anxiety and depression and sometimes it has made me into something i hated and throught and ive had to come to terms with accepting and looking at parts of myself and my past and it also took people saying certain thing to me to make me be like thats where it came from and watch this video does help me along with other things ive been doing to help myself
keep working on getting better- dont give up. there is hope. Thank you for sharing
I am realizing I went thru denial, but not in death, more loneliness, because when I was 5 I sort of created the illusion of my best friend being with me in a summer camp for 4 days. I would spend about 1 hour alone, because everyone but me was inside, and then for 20 minutes or so, I would be with her, but turns out, it wasn’t her. I found out she wasn’t there and it’s pretty impossible that it’s just a messed up memory.
And also went thru repressing a lot of trauma, and just now I am realizing it and what actually happened, and dealing with 14 years of it.
The grief is just as much about her brother as Vision.
Thank you for going over this. Since the beginning of it, I have wanted to hear the reaction of a therapist!
"Now the people bowed and pray to the neon god they made " .The Sound of Silence by Paul simon .
Thank you, I appreciate that acknowledgement you’re human too. You understand what may trigger even you, a professional got tearful because it wasn’t a session but reaction that we all felt as a whole communal audience.
Finding out my ex-fiancé (forever my beloved), died the day before on Facebook. I screamed same time as my boss calls, his family called my workplace. Seeing Wanda breakdown and just let it all out a cathartic moment, I understood.
can you please talk about grief, loss, suffering? I really need that. Also, thank you for everything you do. You're really amazing.
Yes I should do a video on that
love this video. thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom.
In school I learned about Freud and abou development and also about Regression and so much that shes done in wandavision just speaks for it.
I hope I explain it correctly. English isnt my first language.
As a child she grew up at the edge of a warzone as we learn. She often watched these sitcoms with her family and it comforted her.
Even after she lost his brother she always came back to sitcoms.
Now she essentially lost everyone who was close to. Her parents, her brother, her lover and her best friend.
And she draws back into the only comfort she ever had. Sitcoms.
The reality where she has the control, where whenever something bad happened, it was just a funny scene and everything will have its happy end.
I love how in every episode, something tragic happens and the era changes. Just like shes trying to escape into another sitcom, where she just starts again
Until she comes to terms in the end
Tony Stark would be interesting to view across his whole run in the MCU, with everything he's had to go through emotionally including:
survivor's/witness' guilt - Iron Man 1/Captain America Civil War
imminent mortality - Iron Man 2
ptsd - Iron Man 3
Yes I think doing panic disorder with him would be fascinating. Its on my list to do thanks so much for the great suggestion
@@GeorgiaDow you look like you could be wanda yourself
thank you for making this video 🙂
Omg I absolutely loved this breakdown of the show and dealing with grief and depression. Thank you Soo much for making this video. I’m so glad I found it 😊❤️
Personally, I thought that it also worked as an allegory for c-PTSD, which explains a bit of the unexplainable through the grief-only lens. Dissociative episodes. The uneven way depression hits. Her distrust of people, etc, fits more into c-ptsd than it does grief.
I just realized something. Inside the hex she’s in AMERICAN sitcoms so she doesn’t have her accent. Only when she leaves it or chooses to end it (the final scenes with the twins/Vision) does her accent come back.
10:10 it wasn’t depression, it was Agatha all along! Never thought I would say that sentence but here we are
When your in extreme cases of trauma or grief, you can black memories/moments out. When she left vision's body she probably remembers driving to westview and everything but when she looked at that deed and realized all she lost, i believe thats when she blacked out and created the hex which is why when everyone ask her how did you do this, she has a bewildered confused look on her face. Her conscious mind was fractured into two. We operate from our conscious mind which is about 10% of our brain. Wanda chaos magic laid dormmate in the subconscious( 90%) until the grief and pain was soo intense that her conscious mind totally or partially collapsed allowing the sub to leak in and manifest the hex, causing her conscious mind to black it out while she was doing it.
Hey you have the most wonderful voice ever!👍🏻
This is an amazing dissection of the show!
I couldn’t help it when she said it’s so painful and Monica went through like three walls and a fence 🤣
4 walls, as if she broke the 4th wall. And, the 4th wall was Wanda's hex.
Watching the 80’s ‘Batman Returns’ and wondering how one would... categorize Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman. She is very interesting in this movie! Could you react to that movie someday?
That certainly would be an interesting one. All I can guess. is some kind of personality disorder brought on by head trauma. I loved that outfit though.
when you said she would never see her son again , I was like : ''you need to read some comic''
The movies might not do that tho. I try not to got my hopes up
@@RedK5 Kevin Feige was announce there will be a movie about Young Avengers so yeah! Those 2 mf will come back 🥳
@@FinneyAjak Has any of the members been announced because I’ve seen a young avengers movie a long time ago and... nevermind. I just looked it up. The movie was The Next Avengers. How did I mix that up?
@@RedK5 Antman’ daughter, Casey has been confirmed for becoming an new hero in the Antman quantum maniac. Kate Bishop is in Hawkeye series. Patriot is rumoured in Falcon and Winter soldier. Hulking may in upcoming in Secret invasion or Captain Marvel 2 . Also there are rumours that Disney is casting young Loki , we ARE know that this mf is will reincarnation on some point
@@FinneyAjak I heard they are planning to recast Casey but I don't understand why
Edit: or was that someone else's daughter from the movie. It's been awhile since I heard that so I might be fuzzy on that
I want the video, real witch reacts to WandaVision
Please react to Ep.01 of Loki: Tons of things to analyse, especially in the scenes one-on-one between Mobius and Loki (Projection, introspection and dealing with grief, guilt, anger, etc.)
Loki is up tomorrow
Firstly...thank you for making this video. I've always been interested in things like this, how superpowered beings deal with things that every ordinary human can go through. I'd also like to say that you remind me of Courtney Miller.
Please do a reaction for Inside Out. I think it's a fantastic film to teach children about mental health.
That would be awesome!
You look so much like Scarlett Witch straight from the comics!
Also you're really awesome for the analysis
TH-cam recommended this and I loved it
Fascinating to see your take on this!
Why did i cry watching this at 5am?
I'm just glad superpowers aren't real. Or your job could be to wind up being professionally intruding into reality warper's fantasy worlds just to check up on them or try to get them out for a living.
Wanda could have been magnitudes worse but she at least chose sitcoms instead of some hellscape it could have easily been a wartorn hell of her youth magnified by her powers.
Fantastic. ABSOLYTELY fantastic. Thank you, Georgia.
thanks
My ex-husband's family lost someone very close to them. It was a tragic car accident, she was 19 years old, it happened 17 years ago. She was my ex's sister, and they were very close. After the accident the family created a false reality, and total codependent relationship around the addict mother. They created a false narrative about how close they are, and they had to at all costs protect the mother. It was to the point the house my husband owned (his childhood home) was virtually a shrine to the dead sister. As his wife I wasn't allowed to move any of her paintings or photos (which there was a ton of). Any decor in the common areas was his mostly his dead sisters stuff, and what my husband wanted. What I wanted was only allowed in rooms that people didn't really go to. There was even this disturbing finger painting (from when the sister was a child) upstairs right outside of our bedroom. I wasn't even allowed to move a bed, or a poweraide bottle that sat in the room for 17 years. Our marital bedroom was he and his dead sisters childhood room. The family had secret rules, either cookie cutter into their fantasy world, where the mother had all of the control over my husband and the house, or get out. So I was driven out, but a series of his mother doing things to deliberately hurt me. She punched me twice, and said it was just play. She would leave trash, matches, make hurtful comments. And my ex refused to believe his mother did them deliberately. He refused to believe or see his mother manipulates him. So when my father died last year, I had a break down. I was struggling with my marriage, depression, childhood trauma and my fathers death. The family had little to no regard for my loss. As only their loss mattered. A month after my father died my dog nearly choked to death, so asking for advice FB in regards to this, his entire psycho family attacked me. And four months after my fathers death, my husband wanted a divorce. After four years of me not being allowed to even move a painting for my own art work to be displayed! I gave it a few months, and then he kept pushing and divorce me a few days before Christmas! They still choose after 17 years to live in this alternate realty.
1:44 is the live action Audience in there kind
That last episode in WandaVision was the end of me man. I really hope we get to see Wanda having some real closure in Multiverse of Madness.
Are YOU the Scarlet Witch? Also this was really interesting btw.
Please do Multiverse of Madness from Wandas perspective . Its like followup of WandaVision and her grief turning dark
years ago, my mom, and sister ended up arguing to the point where my sister felt that she had to leave us to live with her biological mother who lived in America.(We were living in Canada.)Then years after that, my mom, and step dad made a decision to move to the United States so that we could live closer to his biological parents. He went first, then Mom, and I got rid of the cats by giving them to somebody else, and all of our belongings that didn't fit into the vehicle. After that, we tried to follow him to Texas, but the border patrol wouldn't let us across the border because we had too much stuff in the vehicle. We had no idea what we should do, so we called my Grandma who lived in Minnesota to ask her what we could do because the place we were renting was given to somebody else. She knew a lady who had a cabin, and we stayed in that cabin for a year. It had very limited food, and water, and was infested with mice, and shrews in the winter, and ticks in the spring, and summer. It was a summer cabin not built for winter, so it was very cold. In that cabin, my dad sent divorce papers, so that didn't help. It was in that cabin that mom, and I started to experience grief, and it was a very strong grief that we both were experiencing that we ended up lying to ourselves, and couldn't see the truth. Mom became a victim to scammers in Africa, and she would send them money when we were both suffering instead of using that money to take care of us. I thought of home, and created a false reality to make up for the fact that I knew that we would both probably die in that cabin. We got kicked out of that cabin, and I got a ride from the landlord to stay with my grandparents this time with nothing, but clothes, and because mom didn't want to give up her car that she couldn't afford anymore, she got herself a tent, and lived in a campsite. Eventually, I got found out by the border patrol, and when they found out that I was staying there because I had no food, or water, or basic things that I needed, and was staying with them to get those basic needs, they helped me make a better life for myself than what I had, but I experienced my first panic attack when I got sent back to Canada because it reminded me of the time that we couldn't get across the border to live with my step dad. I stopped at the Canadian border patrol, and because they also wanted to help, a lady who worked there said that if victim services couldn't help, I should call her, and she would have a place that I could stay with her. Victim services put me in a few hotels, and the first one was across the road from the campsite that my mom was staying at, so I walked behind her, and said hi. At that moment she was showing a backpacker pictures of me. I helped her pack her things as it rained, and the wind blew to the point where it destroyed her tent, and by the next morning, the ground was flooded with water. Victim services gave us a few more hotel rooms to stay at, but they said that there was nothing that they could do to help us. So I used the hotels WIFI to find a place where my mom could stay, and I found a women's shelter in a nearby town. I called the lady at the border who said for me to call her, and I said that I needed a place to stay, and I told my mom to drop me off at the address that the lady who said that I could stay with her gave me, and I went to stay with her while my mom stayed at the women's shelter. Eventually I had to leave there because their grand daughter needed the room that I was living in, so they sent me to live with my mom, but the problem was that I was an 18 year old man, so I was not allowed to live in the women's shelter because I was not a girl, so they kicked me out, and my mom set up a place for me to stay at a place that was through the hospital for homeless people with disabilities, and I was both because I had autism, and probably more mental problems like grief, and I was homeless. I stayed there for about half a year, and couldn't do my school work because I needed to process everything that had happened up to this point because I had to be strong for my mom until I had that chance to grieve, and because I felt like I had lost everything, and everyone, I became depressed, and continued to want something that wasn't real. I so badly wanted to go back that I promised myself that I would come back when mom was safe because she didn't want to come back. I called my biological father who I barely knew to come, and get me, and he sent her girlfriend who brought me back to the place where I wanted to be. I stayed with her for over a year, but the problem is that I think I made my grief worse by making that denial a reality, and now I am getting myself all of the things that I should have gotten before like my grade 12 education, but it feels like a fantasy ,and now I realize that what was happening when I was with my mom, besides my delusions, that was real. Now I need to leave all of it behind because it isn't real, and it is very hard to do. Before I wrote this comment, I wasn't sure what I need to do, but it helped to walk myself through it, and make me realize that I need to give up this false reality. I am confused, but I think that I know what I need to do, but before I make a final decision, I need clarity. Does anybody have any idea how I can get that clarity?
I am happy you are at this part of your journey. I think you should find someone to be with you to help you make these choices. If you can find a therapist or another person who you feel trust with, I wish you the best and I hope you keep working towards it. We are rooting for you. Thank you for sharing this personal journey
@@GeorgiaDow On the tenth I go to see PDD, so maybe I should tell them about this, and they can set me up with a therapist that I can talk to. Everybody around me is kind of experiencing their own challenges with what has happened, and what is going on. I think that the best thing that I can do would be to talk to a therapist for clarity. The people I live with kind of made my false reality a reality, so I don't think that I can trust them to help me get clarity. I think that they would make it even more unclear. You are welcome, and thank you for your suggestions, wishing me the best with my journey. I love your content, and find it very helpful. I think that I speak for all of your viewers when I say thank you so much for this content, and for helping us understand what is happening in our own lives, and for telling us what we need to do about it. You are an amazing person, and thank you so much for the work that you do.
Wandavision Also hit me hard I lost the love of my life A few years before this show aired I don't know I know depression bad. During that time I did not care at all about myself. I wanted to end it but I was not going to carry out that pushing way. But I was little reckless.
Trying to cause arguments and fights.
A man who does not care is a dangerous man. Correctly frighteningly I moved on still still depressed at times for the worst. We went together for 10 years, and they were the happiest kids in my life were likely to appreciate it now. But before even thinking about the good Times were hard on me. I think reminds the Pope Britney said that's all what is grief but love persevering I Feel that I can move on with my life. However, I am scared to love someone again. Because I don't know if I could go through that again.
Wanda: ¨Is this really happening¨
Georgia: ¨But it´s not¨
My boyfriend and I watched this he’s been in grief over the loss of his brother for 5 years now he’s not in a healthy place but I try my best to help him coupe
In her fantasy she has no accent but in reality she does
Wanda is such a strong woman... no doubt... the harddest histroy and the harddest present
The big thing here, is that all these superheroes...are screwed. Because, people like yourself are not, at all, qualified to help them work through their shit. That's not to say you don't know what you're doing, or that you aren't good at it, because frankly I have every confidence that you are indeed knowledgeable and skilled at such...just that these types of fictional characters have been through so much impossible shit, through events that are so almost incomprehensibly huge, that no therapist who ever COULD exist, would ever be qualified to deal with the sheer scale of their issues.
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Wanda grew up in a war zone, her parents killed by that war, she and her brother brainwashed by a secret organization, and exposed to a mind-screwing alien artifact from the beginning of existence. She was given a second chance, and she lost it. She found someone to love, and was forced to MURDER him, only to see him brought back and then murdered again in front of her, along with realizing the scope of her failure to stop Thanos. Then she was wiped out of existence, and brought back 5 years later to a world in absolute chaos. All of this through powers that completely defy all reality in the first place.
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Nobody could really help her. Nobody can really help any of them. It's too much, it's too big. They're plain doomed. All that can be done is to make sure they're pointed at a bad guy when they finally snap...and maybe pump the psychological brakes now and then to buy time until then.
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You can even see it in the new The Falcon & The Winter Soldier. Bucky IS in therapy, and it's doing him fuck-all good. Sure, his therapist is a veteran herself, but she hasn't seen jack compared to what Bucky has had to deal with. Catastrophic trauma, torture, brainwashing, culture shock of his leap-frogging through the years, carrying the burden of being an assassin for the same organization that screwed over Wanda and her brother. And then he too was a part of the effort to try and save the world, and failed. She's in no position at all to help him, and it's painfully obvious. It's just entirely and utterly beyond what anyone who wasn't a part of it, could ever comprehend or find any meaningful way to interact with.
10:10, that's actually not her negative thoughts (although clever guess), it's actually Agatha manipulating things and saying that to throw her off.
oh wow i missed that thanks
I wouldn't say it was "this time by her own choice, because that was the right thing to do". In Infinity War Wanda was strong enough to do just that. And she saw it was only to cause her more pain in the future...she is a hero.