Therapists React to WANDAVISION with guest Kati Morton
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ย. 2024
- Wanda Maximoff's journey of grief shows us that grief and sorrow mean the person, the relationship, mattered. Grief and sorrow are not unhealthy - it's how we deal with them that can lead to healing and peace, or to unhealthy coping mechanisms... like taking over a small town and creating an entire fake reality.
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are joined by guest, licensed therapist Kati Morton, to talk about Wanda's magically-enhanced maladaptive daydreaming to cope with the loss of Vision. Wanda's faced a lot of trauma in her life, and isn't ready to cope with it in a healthy way, but over the course of her story, arrives in a healthier place. Of course, Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany's brilliant performances make the story all the more heart-wrenching. (Yes, many tears are shed in this episode.)
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
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Being a truma survivor and humiliated by doctors . I can't even think about getting help . But your channel help me a lot . Thank you.
Very disappointed you decided to bring in this guest
Thanks for your work, and for helping people have fun, find help and improve their lives in such a wonderful way.
Please do firefly!!
@Dylan Ellington Serenity is not really Firefly, but yeah, kinda. I just love Firefly
I really loved when she says “You are my sadness, and my hope. But mostly, you're my love.”
Really brings around "What is grief if not love perservering" line... I bet if someone had asked Wanda that at the start of the hex, she'd have given a different answer. God what a line.
Yeah. This show is undeniably amazing. It is on another level. My whole heart. It’s magic. ❤️
Just by reading it tears flow down. Beautiful.
I sobbed so hard watching this scene… and I’m crying again reading about it. It was so beautiful
Incredible writing...incredibly acted by gifted actors. Just beautiful.
“I can’t speak, and it’s frustrating because everyone’s here to listen to me.”
Thanks, Alan, for bringing us back from the gutter😂
I know, right? this was perfectly timed!
I mean I'm here for Alan to speak 🤣🤣 it's not the only reason I am here but it's one reason
Master move right there, needed that chuckle to get outa the crying vibe. Excellent episode!
So true lol
Oh man Cinema Therapy Comedy Hour 😂
I found that WandaVision was a literal representation of the question: What would you give/do to get back the person you love?
Darkhold: Give me your soul and kill people and I’ll give you what you desire.
@@warsthemarvel8608 I blame Obama
@@warsthemarvel8608 dont care I'm willing
apparently enslave an entire town
@@jacobbaker5442she didn't know she was doing that until the end
It's almost insulting how good of an actor Elizabeth Olsen is, until you listen to her interviews where she discusses acting as an art. She just loves what she does, and she's never delivered a bad performance.
Yeah, she's one of my favorite modern actors. She's always been so passionate and so dedicated to her craft.
Too bad she’s In a show or films that make no sense. Bad writing for her marvel character.
Lizzie is a powerhouse
She's incredibly talented, it's true that it's almost insulting 😂 love watching her in her element
Don't know if this was intentional, but I love how the spell surfaces out of her chest. She's creating a broken reality from her broken heart.
I love how you point that out because I didn’t realize that connection!
also she can use just her heart to create Vision that feels so real, it shows how much she knew and loved him
I saw that too
I think it was intentional. And her suit in Multiverse of Madness also has the cracks in her heart position, illustrating her broken and corrupted heart.
well I like to think of it as it comes out of her chest because it's from her broken heart, and because of the continuation of trauma from losing her kids that could be and what not and learning that they are out there in some universe is another stack of trauma points and it basically AIDS in her leading into multiverse of madness
The "we've said goodbye before... so I guess it stands to reason we will say hello again" hit me so hard. I wept.
Same! WandaVision really gutted me. I related to her character to much, and at the end I cried so hard.
I have an extreme fear of my mortality and the lack of control i have over that, my partner, says things like this to help me get through it.
Many people seem to interpret that scene in a religious or "oh she's still holding on to the fantasy" way, as seen in this video some people do take it in a religuous. Art is up to interpretation so there's obviously no right or wrong way to see it, I just wanna share my viewpoint. The way I interpret that line is, although you can lose someone, you'll still find what that person represents, or what role they filled in your life, again. You obviously will never find a replacement, because every single person has unique personalities, but that hole in your heart can still be filled again. That's why Onward is actually a film that speaks so closely to me, because I went through the exact same thing. I lost my mom to cancer when I was very young, I was like 6-8 so I didn't really grasp the severity of the situation as much. Thankfully, there were many people around me that were able to quickly fill that motherly role. The same exact thing happens in onward. So that's how I interpret that line, when I first heard that line I wasn't really satisfied with it, but looking back at it, and interpreting it in this way, makes it much better.
Also I think that line might just be forshadowing for that weird third imposter vision that the other vision created lol.
Im 99% sure because if the multiverse he will be back
Same
Here's my intake. Had Wanda been given Vision back, allowing her to bury Vision with the comfort of all her friends, Wanda would NEVER have created the Hex. She would have had closure, and worked to move on. The Hex is entirely based on how she never had closure, never felt like she could move on, and thus wanted to escape reality.
@@dianeshelton9592 These two therapists are good but therapy doesn't work for everyone. It's good to get therapy but it's doesn't always work for everyone and some therapists aren't for everyone. Some people need specific ones while others broad. And what they are saying is true no matter how superficial, it's true. These therapists may not be for you but they are very good at what they do.
@@dianeshelton9592 hi! I’m sorry that a funeral didn’t really offer that much help to you. But to a lot of people (me included), getting to see someone you love one last time and being able to bury them doesn’t make the pain go away, but it helps us cope better in the long run.
@@dianeshelton9592 Also you grief doesn't dictate someone else's grief. She could have 100% moved on after the funeral. But what edged her on was seeing him being dismantled in front of her and Hayward saying such horrible things to her at such a vulnerable time. I get that the funeral for you didn't help, but it helped with me and many others. I feel if Wanda had been given the chance to plan a funeral and tell others how much she loved Vision despite him being a humanoid/synthezoid/robot whatever she could have moved on.
@@jungsoojung4730 thank you and I am glad the funeral helped you.
@@dianeshelton9592 Well with Wanda it's different because her power comes from.a dark entity. She has tried countless times to do the right thing but somehow it turns out wrong. Depending on which Wanda we talk about, depends on the outcome. Like if we talk about Witch Wanda, she does eventually find some form of happiness, finding out her true family, if we talk about Mutant Wanda she does go through lots of pain but she does eventually get her children back. In that reality it's worse because they erased her kids from her memory and when she got the memory back, she broke down. If we talk Enhanced Wanda, she does eventually get better. She even at one point married again and had a daughter. I think it depends on how you as a person can cope. Wanda obviously feels very emotional and she needs to get the pain out but because she has such dangerous and powerful powers, it's hard for her. Wanda needs some much needed therapy and has never got it because she was always saving the world or getting something taken away from her. She has never been in control of her life so I feel if she was finally able to do something that benefited her and did the funeral it would have worked. Now it would have taken time but she would have eventually have coped to a degree and had moved on. I 100% get what you are saying though. Not everyone thinks the same. To you they may not be great but to me, I really felt connected to what they were saying and it's worth watching the whole video to see what they have to say. You may not agree with what they have to say but you can take into account what they say and tell that to a therapist you trust and see what they say about it. That's my take on it. WandaVision was obviously a perfect take on someone going through grief, not every having a safe environment, and ultimately having a hard time coming to terms with losing someone but happens to cause more damage and loss more in the long run. But I understand what you are saying and it's good to see a different opinion because that makes us different as humans but connects us as a society with different views.
As much as I love Vision's line of love perservering, Wanda's line right before that really got me.
"It's just like this wave washing over me again and again. It knocks me down and when I try to stand up, it just comes for me again. And I can't... It's gonna drown me."
I've felt that wave come for me and when I think I am finally getting my head above the water, it crashes on top of me again.
It's such an accurate description of grief
Same here ❤! I didn't know about Wonda before the movie. But after leaving about her, she is in my top 5 favorite Super Here's and Top 3 female Super Heroes 💖 .... I see so much of her and her pain in me and my life and only lately am I finally above it ( due to having a wonderful husband and child ❤️) ❤️💖💝💓💓💓💓🙏💪🌹🌹🌹
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I love how it’s not titled the “psychology of a hero” or “villain therapy” because Wanda is a bit of both at times.
They should call their episodes about morally ambiguous super characters "Superhuman Self-care"
We just may steal that, Felipe.
@@uncharted3awesome that would be cool for characters like Deadpool and punisher but they might not do punisher because it’s a somewhat long show
@@CinemaTherapyShow Please do! Hahahaha
Too true, Wanda is a tragic character, in that she's lost so many people she's loved, and inadvertently enslaved an entire town through her grief.
"What is grief, if not love persevering?" Such a poignant quote. I love how Wanda gradually begins to accept her losses, and is hopeful that she'll reunite with Vision and the twins.
And then the internet turns the quote into a meme lol
@@maven12LA yeah twitter sucks, such a genuinely great line
@@jonathanaimoto Twitter is the place where beautiful things go to become over used memes 😭
Yes that last quote is full of so much hope🥰
I hope tjey reunite in mouth of madness
Someone else in a video about wanda/vision said that Agatha was a "dark therapist." She was trying to get Wanda to wake up and realize what she was doing, but doing it for selfish reasons without Wanda's ACTUAL best interest at heart. It seemed appropriate to mention that here.
dark therapist is like an exact name for agatha, coz i see it that way when i watched the series. she helped wanda coz she wants the benefit for her, not for wanda. like gothel takes care of rapunzel for the hair, not coz she care for rapunzel.
Ah, I see you, too are a person of culture. I also love The Normies :3 my only two major go-to channels for reactions-- Cinema Therapy and The Normies (Who mostly do shows which I appreciate and love just as much as this channel).
Yeah that's what I was thinking when I first watched the series. Agatha goes about it wrong, but she actually does mention that Wanda needs to confront her demons eventually, which has truth.
Agatha the Hero.
Although the purpose was dark, the therapy worked and that’s all that mattered.
19:50 "the trying to not cry thing" - This is called "playing against" in acting and learning it was one of the major moments in my theatre education where things made sense. It's a key to good, subtle choices as a performer.
I remember a fellow acting student once being asked to act like they're sick and they walked around doing obvious coughing, even leaning in towards other people in a very obvious "LOOK HOW SICK I AM!" performance and it was... clunky at best. Then they were asked to be sick but try to hide it from everyone, and just barely fail. A hackneyed performance instantly became something that worked. (It's fun when you can recall the exact moment you leveled up a skill)
And yeah, Elizabeth Olsen is *great* throughout all this -- she plays-against, but so much more. A+
That's one of the best advice I got from my theatre mentor.
Yeah, that's a great observation. I work in theatre and media as well, and it's often said that the moments that often make viewers cry most are when the actor is holding back the tears, not letting go. And then we cry in sympathy, to give them that full catharsis (they can't let themselves cry but we can). It's an interesting psychological aspect.
I think one of my favorite bits that relates to this is in Infinity War when Vision is telling her to destroy the Mind Stone, and she looks at him and you can see her chin quivering up and down, both like she's trying not to cry but also like her mind is desperately racing to figure out a Hail Mary that could get them out of this and see Vision live.
Joe, it is awesome when we can tell when exactly we leveled up a skill. I think I'm stealing this line
How is that helpful lol that’s luck
Sometimes I get a little bit mad when people say the MCU has no depth, personally it helped me recognize and cope with a lot of issues and I'll always be grateful with them for that.
I guess it’s all by virtue of the MCU being under the Disney corporate umbrella that people are/have been dismissing whatever depth that the films or TV shows might have. The worst are the people who throw shade on anybody who has been positively affected by these works of fiction.
Well the mcu for a long time was just movies, filled with action and little character growth
@@pillar81 oh yeah. I'm not blind, disney/marvel isn't perfect, and as a corporation... Oofff... 👀. But for a lot of people it has been impactful, so you're right, dismissing that is just wrong.
@@pmparda I respectfully disagree with you. Since Iron Man 1 it has been a combination of both.
That's been my issue with Marvel movies as I've gotten older. It always feels like they either tease us with depth then undercut the moment with quips or it'll come across manipulatively (at least to me). I know a lot of this because it's owned by Disney and their main objective will always be to make their movies four quadrants in order to make money. 'WandaVision' is the first time I've gotten more out of a Marvel project than pure enjoyment in a long time ('Infinity War' came close). It's the only Marvel show I've seen so far and it made me look forward to the other shows which I'm hoping are also just as good.
Everyone just woke up today and decided “let’s make EVERYONE cry too” 😭
they really chose empathy
"You took everything from me" is the best delivered line in the MCU. Well made movies make me emotional, to a point. That line guts me every time I hear it.
in contrast, the "i dont even know who you are" line is funny to me cause 2nd thanos and wanda literally never interacted before and even then stark and hydra did more to wanda than 1st thanos, at least in my opinion
@@chimerical8746 well, all that pain hydra and stark caused to her was eased by vision, because of thanos however she had to not only kill him but watch him die twice. When she told 2nd thanos that she wasn’t healed from that trauma because she was snapped so for her it only happened not even a day ago.
I love her response to thannos too, after he says 'i dont even know you' she states "you will." UUUUGGHHH OMIGOD so POWERFUL and jyst so perfectly delivered omigod i cant elizabeth olsen is to good.
I love me some Wanda Maximoff, but Loki yelling Tell Me! is a top competitor, Tom Hiddleston just ace that whole scene.
The way the actor read the line too made it so heart wrenching
When Jonathan said "You're watching this channel right now, odds are because pop culture is how you cope. It's part of how you learn. It's part of how you grow" I felt so called out. But it's so true! Movies have helped me process things I've gone through, and this channel has helped me understand those movies on a deeper level. Very very thankful for your channel ❤️❤️
Truly! I've realized more and more how moments in movies have impacted me (positively) growing up, and how watching reviews or video essays about them has helped me understand so much about life and the world.
I may not have a lot of experience, but I'm certainly okay with having more of a healthy outlook if I ever have to go through those tougher experiences later in life.
I related to this so much as well. I think not many people understand that because (in my personal experience) when I relate aspects of my life to movies or shows or songs to cope or feel better about myself, I am very often told that it's a very unrealistic view of reality and that it's wrong to do it. I understand that to some extent basing your entire life off of movies and causing harm for the sake of a film is far from being moral but is it so wrong to use cinema to help assist the way you think about things in life? Like for instance it is so extremely difficult for me to express how I feel and there are people who have an expectation of me to tell them how I feel about certain things like how my day has treated me or what they do that makes me feel the way I do. And I can never express it. So maybe I piece some lines from a movie or show or song that best relates because I can't express my emotions. And the common response is usually "you got that from a movie, didn't you?" Or "Life isn't some movie you're in". So is it that wrong?
Same. I used to feel odd that I didn't related to music like many others do, until I understood that movies and shows do that for me.
Oh totally agreed. I only discovered this channel recently, but pop culture haa helped me through many hard times in my life.
Fun fact: the dialogue in the scene of wanda destroying vision was improvised by elizabeth and paul
Everything in the MCU was improvised apparently.
@@richierich7229 not all honey
lol do the writers even do anything if so much is improvised
Most of the time, when people say things were improvised, they weren't. However this is one of the few times it was correct
The actors are doing a really really great job of doing things feel real and natural to the point that improvising is a good thing.
The finale was the most heartbreaking - seeing the shame she felt for being unable to process her trauma (and 'torturing' the town), almost giving up, and then finding the strength to fight against Agatha. That was the journey that, as a survivor of complex trauma, brought me to tears. I wish there had been more content on this.
That's Intresting. I thought the ending was great except for the how they dealt with her torturing a whole town, there was no consequences for what she did thou I think that's not really doable for her in MCU so I really didn't mind but one line rubbed me the wrong way Monica telling her "they will never know what you sacrificed for them" like that took me out of it. They were used by her to creat a fantasy, her letting them go and destroying that fantasy is not a sacrifice. I think that was the one and only thing that I didn't like in the whole series
@@saranaila5905 It was a sacrifice, for Wanda because in her hex she has everything. Her white pickett fence house with her caring husband, 2 sons and the family pet. The literal representation of what Wanda wants and desires. She sacrificed having vision and her children for the towns freedom.
@@eliana8834 the freedom that she took in the first place!? She did them no favor she just realised that what she was doing is messed up, imagine this :à sick pervert that lost everything in his life gets his only joy from taking care of a kid he kidnapped, him Returning the kid to his parents after he realised he messed up is not a sacrifice. Sacrificing her sick fantasy? Is that really a sacrifice worth mentioning? It's like saying a stalker is making a sacrifice if he stop stalking the person he is fantasizing about.
@@saranaila5905 A pervert and Wanda is not the same thing 😭 By your analogy she would have to start the hex on purpose, which she didn’t. The embodiment of her grief literally only came to life because she has that power. She literally made another reality and lived it, she basically shifted. She gave up her wanted reality for their freedom once she realized what she did, even though she really didn’t want to so yeah, that’s a sacrifice.
@@eliana8834 you make it sound like she stoped when she realised, she realised it very early on in the series and still didn't stop she knowingly continued, I love Wanda too but that doesn't mean I can't call her on her bullshit, it's not a sacrifice I refuse to acknowledge it as such, she tortured a whole town for weeks she is worst then a pervert stalker if u ask me... Still love her thou I do know she is fictional lol
The biggest insult you can hear in response when you tell someone: “You hurt me,” is something like: “I didn’t do anything,” “You just took it wrong,” “Your pain is not my responsibility,” or “I don’t even know you,” and her icy response of: “You will,” is downright chilling. You know she will make good on that statement.
Question is "why?" An Appropriate responce?
@@tetsudikawakami3071 If you honestly don't know, and are trying to ensure you don't hurt them again, sure. But you should still apologize first.
Why would you even tell someone that? If they hurt you on purpose, they wouldn't care, and if they didn't do it on purpose, what's the point of saying it like that unless you want them to feel guilty about something they didn't do on purpose? I'd just point out how that thing they do that hurts people, hurts people, and if they didn't care, screw 'em, cut 'em out of your life. Saying it like that is emotionally manipulative.
As someone who has a narcissitic mother who uses guilt and the victim card to manipulate everyone around her, I'm especially sensitive to such uses.
@@roofdogblues7400 sometimes you tell them that in the hope to amend this relationship
@@roofdogblues7400 Sometimes manipulative people say that you hurt them just to keep you enmeshed with them. In that rare case, it is perfectly fine to say, "I am not responsible for your feelings."
Here's a thought about Paul and Lizzie's chemistry, they befriended each other on set, had fun with each other, established a form of intellectual/emotional intimacy as friends and that closeness made acting together on screen that much easier.
The interviews with the two of them are so fun to watch, especially with Shuri’s actress. It’s like watching an old married couple bicker while their kid just watches with popcorn.
"It shouldnt be you but it is" hit me the most, because it just reminded me how cold and uncaring the universe is, and how sometimes there just will never be any karmic retribution
Nor justice or fairness.
I think the universe is beautiful and caring because people are. Just look at this channel, I think it's so warm and wholesome. I think it really portrays two people of the many, many who care. I know I've found some healing from this channel that I don't think I could have found if the entire universe was bleak and cold. As far as karmic retribution, I think it doesn't help the victim as much as people think it does, and I think you'd be surprised at how much unseen karma there really is. For context, my dad was killed by a man who was speeding and ran a red light when I was 11 years old. This man has neither license nor insurance, and shouldn't have been driving at all. I'd wondered sometimes why my amazing dad was killed with seemingly little justice for us. I found out many years later that the man who killed my dad was absolutely tormented mentally, I just couldn't see it. On the more overt side, my grandfather was abusive. He never showed remorse, and I don't think he felt any. But he will never know the happiness that I feel because of years of therapy and overcoming. That man spent his life miserable, and in the end he died. There were times I wanted to hurt him, to make him feel the pain he caused, but I think Terry Crews is right. More pain and suffering in the world doesn't make anyone suffer less. Anyways, sorry that was a long response but I hope someday you see that there's hope, and I really hope you can one day see the world as a bright and beautiful place despite everything.
Some people laughed at me when I said that the movies and these shows were and are therapeutic to me because I was relating to many things happening in the MCU...you guys have proven that I wasn't just being ridiculous.
Thank you.
@@vintagescvrlet 🙌
You are not ridiculous to find ways of coping and dealing with your own life. Never! I do that a lot with films too, and I've found the MCU to be extremely therapeutic and helpful in coming to terms with my own emotions and experiences.
Music can also be therapeutic in similar ways, I've found.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience, and never give up on believing in things you find meaningful or important, no matter what someone says!
It's definetely not just you. That's another reason I prefer the MCU over the DCEU. The first is about several hero and also some villain journeys through trauma, past events, and their psychology and how they deal with it all while (in my opinion) in DC are "just" awesome action stories with some exeptions.
Often people laugh because it makes them uncomfortable and they can't acknowledge the emotion.
@@jainthorne4136 To expand, in my experience it's because they don't want the responsibility of being the shoulder to cry on.
What happens after we die?
"Those who love us will miss us."
Keanu Reeves-
Yes! He said that on The Late Show w/ Stephen Colbert!!! I remember thinking how beautiful that was at the time. He almost made Stephen cry.
*noted in my brain for future use*
@@aleahhenderson-carter61 do you have the link for that interview? I love keanu reeves
@@chitas3335 yup. here ya go
th-cam.com/video/oNu6NyMkp8k/w-d-xo.html
Now I am crying again! 😭🤣
"She was not without sarrow, she was not without difficulty or sadness, but she was fulfilled and she was happy." Those words hit me hard. I felt those words so deeply. I cant even express it completely. Thank you for sharing.
Y'know, now that I think about it, I think Peter Quill has a very similar way to coping with loss that Wanda has.
He dives headfirst into whimsy: into the "comfort media" that he enjoyed as a kid. Wanda has her sitcoms and Peter has his 70s pop music and movies. Wanda created a perfect smalltown life with her husband and Peter made himself into what is, in his mind, a badass space travelling outlaw. A character he probably fantasized being like as a kid.
Difference is that he has consistent support around him and plus he's in space, so he doesn't have to focus on the losses like Wanda does
I always thought they would make good friends. Maybe we'll see them interact again in the future
Peter could teach her how to use humour as a coping mechanism 🥺
@@ninjanibba4259 Space can be real lonely..
@@jay.shah96 not for Peter
Just hearing "if you're watching this because pop culture is how you cope" flipped a switch for me. I guess I never looked at it that way, but now I feel better about my love for pop culture.
Oh thank God I am not alone, I adore this stuff and my mom thinks its a waste of time when its one of my favorite things.
@@eliyahmcneill9302 I relate....my mom thinks the MCU is just "entertainment", but for me (and it seems like it for many others too), these movies and shows have a takeaway and can be used to cope with issues in reality. Just because there are superpowers involved, it doesn't mean it's all a fantasy.
Agreed. It's why i get so annoyed when people are like "they are just movies."
@@brandonbuchner1771 Those people are the worst. The best fiction is grounded in reality. The emotions and trauma emanating from such works are real, even if the world, characters, or etc aren’t. The whole point of fiction is to make you feel something; it’s supposed to help you escape. Similar to music.
Dont waste your life fangirling 💜
Elizabeth Olson was freaking incredible in showing how powerful our grief, pain, and denial can be when we experience loss. Wandavision was truly unique in that sense.
Edit: I won't lie and say I was even looking forward to the new series, be it Wandavision, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and Loki. It felt like needless cash grabs and a way to get people to subscribe to Disney+, but the stories and themes they're telling can be dark and mature, but they're powerful. From a cinematic sense, they work because instead of cramming all of the stories and issues into a movie, they're able to get fleshed out over the space of multiple episodes so the next Captain America movie will be able to jump right into the action.
I agree, Lizzie is a phenomenal actress, and I could feel EVERY emotion she brought to Wanda!
I'm kind of in the same boat in terms of not being particularly jazzed about the different D+ series initially; I was feeling burnt after Rise of Skywalker, and kind of tired of superhero stuff overall. But, we subscribed to D+ during covid times, and the buzz around WandaVision started to look promising - and then WandaVision just blew me away. I'm really enjoying Loki now too. I just love when comic genre stuff gets weird, creative, and emotional, and it seems like these series are a great way to tell those stories.
I do think making shows with certain characters especially the ones that don’t get as much screen time really helps develop them. I do agree the stories are complex stories and it’s bit as black and white of who the villain or hero is
Elizabeth just nominated for emmy
@@maem7462 This is not an attack. Please do not think that.
You typed "... making shoes with certain characters..." almost broke my brain. I was imagining a line of special edition sneakers with characters like Squirrel Girl and the sorcerer Wong done in vibrant colors along the sides, and wondering how that helps develop the character.
Thanks for the trip down random synapse lane!
As an alter in a DID system of three, I think people severely underestimate the power the human brain has to create.
Wanda just brings that power to physical manifestations in the real world of the MCU.
I absolutely love how WandaVision and Loki touch such incredibly sensitive subjects with the utmost care.
I really do love Loki and the Loki show in general I think it's done really well and your right a lot of sensitive subjects are there in it. I wish cinema therapy would also react to the Loki show. It would be really interesting. They have reacted to Loki as the character in general but the show really did show so much more
Stupid question, but is it one main and two alters or one main and three when you talk about a system of three?
Have you watched Moon Knight? What were your thoughts on how they handled DID?
@@1.calm.chaos1 hey, i'm an alter in a DID system of 70+, i hope you dont mind me answering ur question from my perspective.
to answer that question i'd say its important to figure out what you mean with "main" because there are two things u could mean.
1. a so called ""host", which is the alter that fronts the most (aka is in control the most compared to other alters of the same system). a system can have more than one host.
2. a so called "original". there are two theories, the "core" theory and the theory of structural dissociation, i'd recommend researching them if you are interested, according to the core theory the other alters split from one alter that existed before the first split (splitting is an unconscious/uncontrolled coping mechanism as a trauma/stress response in systems). according to the theory of structural dissociation, this isn't possible, we're all born with ego states that integrate during childhood and alters are ego states that couldn't integrate due to childhood trauma and hence developed. you cant choose whether you split nor the headmates/alters that get split), so yeah.
to answer ur question, it'd be good for you to know that the host is an alter too. they just front the most. for me it sounds like they're including themselves in the "DID system of three". this is how i'd mean it at least.
@@surelychoo hey, idk if its helping but i am part of a DID system so i might as well answer that as well.
yes, we watched it. at first we were crept out and more confused but seeing Marc and Steve, the way they interacted... that was beautiful.
in the end we liked it, however, it was quite confusing at first. it was a bit hard for us to differate what happened in the real world, what in the innerworld and i am wondering how big their system truly is, since switching in the inner world (after our understanding) seems more like a subsystem (a system within a system) to me. i'm still trying to understand it and cannot recall everything, but it was nice. however, putting it into a story and all the egyptian stuff and the confusing back and forth kinda made the representation more complicated and harder to understand.
“When we’re talking about the departed, we honor them best by carrying on whatever was good that we got from them, and recognizing I learned this from you and I’m gonna keep this going.”
I’ll keep this in my heart forever.
I loved that bit too. Felt in step with one of my favorite Pratchettisms "Do you not know that a man is not dead as long as his name is still spoken?"
I think, in grief, the worst part is that the world just keeps going even though ours has ended.
Or that after a while people just expect you to go back to normal.
Yeah. One of the most frustrating parts of my experience was how little people understood or even tried to understand. They just expect you to “move on”, when in actuality you never do. You move forward with them in your heart💙
like all of these comments are moods. I lost my grandma last year and my family expects us (the family she lived with for 22 years) to just move on and go back to normal....there is no way because we are trying to find a new normal becaus she was such a huge piece of our lives.
@@lulubellpop13 I’m so sorry for your loss🥺💙 my grandpa died about seven years ago. He lived with my parents and me, so it’s been a struggle trying to find our new normal too. Some people won’t understand, but just know you are allowed to feel whatever you need to for however long you need. There is no time limit on grief. The five steps of grief were not even written for people dealing with the loss of a loved one, and therefor if you don’t follow each step perfectly it’s absolutely normal. And you may never “move on” entirely, like so many people say, and that’s perfectly OK. It is your right to keep your loved one in your heart forever. No one can take that away from you. The best way to honor your loved ones memories is to find things you can do to better the world in her name. Even though it can be hard, she would want you to be happy and live a full life. It’s ok to have hard and emotional days. It’s ok to cry and be sad and to miss her. But also remember to smile and laugh for her as well.💙
@@lulubellpop13 that's more THEIR GUILT for NOT SPENDING MORE TIME WITH HER💔💜
Watching WandaVision was so moving. The scene where she creates "the show" reminded me of watching someone's heart break. So moving, loss is so hard to accept.
What Jonathan said about his mother applies so much to what I'm feeling about my grandpa. He raised me, he always held my hand, was always loving, understanding and an absolutely angel of a person. He helped people so many times throughout his life. This July is 10 years since he departed and it still hurts. It always hurt. I'm feeling for all of you who lost someone who meant everything for you.
That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
@@CinemaTherapyShow thank you for sharing this with all of us. It's more important than you know. ❤️
I really appreciate you saying that. I lost my cousin a few years ago and I’ve never been the same
my grandpa raised me too and I'm absolutely terrified of the fact that he's gonna die eventualy (and with time that 'eventually' comes closer and closer)
Elizabeth Olsen and her acting in "Sorry for Your Loss" helped me get through my year-long major depressive disorder and lifelong CPTSD. I was in the exact same horrifying condition after traumatizing event as the main character of that show, and looking at all those feelings from the outside gave me just enough validation to start finding my way out - I'm ok, even like this, I'm ok. I'm in a much better headspace now, and Lizzie will forever be one of my earth angels.
This is the greatest thing Cinema and TV can do for us, validation and representation... I am happy for you! I hope you keep getting better and better!
Good luck and wellfare!
I've had very similar experience. I have lost a lot in my life, just like Wanda, not to that extent, but my life went from shitty childhood into sad adolescence into tragic adulthood. Thank you marvel for helping people.
I will say, rewatching that scene from Infinity War where Wanda has to kill Vision is so much harder to watch AFTER watching WandaVision.
IT ISSSS
That´s so true!!! now we have seen more of then and are more invested in their relationship.... it´s just so sad!!!!
If really is. It was a new kind of pain that I felt
Yeah :( I cried with everyone in the video...it's too much. It's even worse when Thanos kills him again.
This was one thing I think the movies dropped the ball on a bit, which is making us fully attached to the relationship between the two. Fortunately the show does a fantastic job making up for that.
As a widow that has been through a lot of trauma in the aftermath, I really saw WandaVision as a visual treatise on grief. It alternately gutted me and gave me catharsis. Brilliant film making.
I second that. Me & my late husband used to watch a lot of movies together, how we both cope growing up. I watched Wandavision with my kids and I really had to pause it to break down crying, it was a cry I needed to release :)
Don’t know if you’ve heard of a book called the second firsts, I really like that book about Grief.
Sorry for your loss Pray that you'll heal. Know that the lord is with you even if you don't believe in him
@@creativemuse33 I wish for you both, girls, a lot of happiness for the future, that's what you deserve for being so strong and I really hope you well.
@@creativemuse33 also kinda what I'm doing rn watching this episode
Oum sry for asking but what's a widow? Like what do widows do?
This episode was so painful for me because I wish my mother was just even a tenth of what they had with their parents. My mother isn't deceased but she is a terrible person that left me with severe depression and pstsd. You guys remember your parents so fondly but every time I think of my mother, it just brings pain, heartache and anger. Admittedly I'm kinda jealous of people who have or had such a wonderful relationship with their mother because I've never had that.
^This.
The anger, resentment, and sense of loss is so real and valid. It hurt me for a long time too and will continue to hurt, I suspect. The hurt is just getting smaller and easier to live with over time.
After so much processing, I feel more thankful for the loving relationships I have now as an adult and lean into those vibes instead of sinking back into the grief, anger, and resentment.
I still acknowledge the orig feelings, bc they're important, but I have to actively remind myself that those events are in the past and I can't change them.
I *especially* have to remind myself that I can't change or do the healing for my nparent. I can only change how I react to what is happened now. (Aie someone's slicing onions.)
From an internet stranger to another: Hang in there. You have the tools, the mental work is ongoing and happening everyday, and you're healthier and stronger for it. Be kind to yourself and keep going. 💕
I empathize with this statement quite a bit. Aside from an absent father, I wholeheartedly believe my mother suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. It's hard to forgive someone with little to no remorse or memory of what they did to you, let alone someone so full of themselves.
I really don't want this to feel like a competition, I just really like to sympathize with people who have gone through similar stuff as me. When I was 15 my mother showed her true self when I got into my relationship. She had always been controlling of every aspect of my life but she taught me to keep my mouth shut because it was for me, to make me a better and more successful person. She did everything in her power to stop that relationship and when it didn't work she kicked me out of the house, to then I lived with my gf because her parents were so incredibly kind to allow. So then my mom came back almost a month later and took me back home and made life a living hell. So as soon as I turned 16 I left after being kicked out for the second time because I went back to my gf. I'm 17 now and still w/ my gf and am finally enjoying life, little by little. My mother will constantly still find ways to haunt me by sending messages when my grandmother and my grandfather died, and just out of the blue. She feels like a real life ghost that haunts me no matter where I turn, although it's been getting a bit easier the more I realize I do have caring people in my life
You didn't get an evolved Mother... Not everyone does... I used to be jealous of other kids playing on their swing sets unaware I'd secretly hate them deep inside me for no other reason then they haven't given a nice childhood with caring and loving parents even single moms but even then I knew it was wrong because they couldn't understand nor were at fault.
So yes I completely understand you... It's even worse when you realize how manipulated you've been you're entire life knowing the power to change it all was always yours and then denied over and over again....
That's when you see power like Wanda come out at it's worst.
She will and can destroy cosmic level creation...
She's not a game 🎮🎯 to play with...
She lost Vision already...
At this point she's literally being civil and merciful ... I'd say mature.
You forget her mind is like Jean Grey she can detonate nuclear fission bombs not just in our world but also in the VOID between worlds...
She's civil.
I doubt she will continue being so.
Imagine if you have the power unlimited to literally have the world you want and it is yanked.
At some point you realize you know this is no fun and i don't wanna play 🎮 anymore once she doesn't want or finds meaning to her existence...
It's game over for everyone...
You forget she controls 🔥 fire from her hands...
It's comets fire balls falling everywhere 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Who's going to stop her???
Your kind wonderful Mom???
Yeah right...
Vision is dead... It's not the real vision anymore...
It's A heterodined alternate version of Vision to appease Wanda but she knows it too.
She's like yeah it's not him this is just to keep me here engaged.
It's a fantasy version.
The real vision is gone... She knows that.
That's why she flew down 👇 to see him.
She couldn't feel him ❤️ anymore because the connection was gone... He died.
Now the white 🤍 version is simply an alternate version of the old vision... Something to give Wanda to start with over again.
But she's not dumb... She sees it as a trap..
She knows she has to upload new experience and memories into the 🤍 vision ...
It's her in control...
She's like yeah no this isn't going to work for me anymore...
I don't think she wants it anymore...
That makes her dangerous...
Cause she doesn't have a reason for existence anymore.
Ask yourselves what keeps you alive and motivated to keep creating???
Love right ❤️?
Or family right? 🌹
What happens when you lost it all and now it's a fake sham?
You lose interest.
That's a problem.
I have that too but with my dad. That sort of envy, but also just resentment, jealousy, can be so hard to get across. Sometimes i see kids acting out acting like brats and i just become jealous becuz as a kid i’d have to act perfect, like walking on eggshells with my dad who could meltdown any second he wanted and we had to change our lives around him and his narcissism. Also people when they talk about their parents and you just can’t help but feel so envious. I loved my mom, but my dad was just abusive and awful. And idk if that sort of jealousy towards those who have it different goes away completely, but you can turn it into envy.
"We love Avatar, it's too long." If only there was an Avatar movie. Shame one was never made
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I'm insulted that you forgot about the blue guys and nothing else. 😂😂😂😂😂
Yes (swear starts dripping), it is such a shame that there isn’t ANY avatar movies (looks side to side) to use.
@@fanegaminbw4519 perhaps they could review that instead
@@curingthenaivete1642 there is no film in Ba Sing Se. Here we are safe. Here we are free.
One of my favorite quotes from ironically from a Wattpad book. “Tears are the price we pay for love. You cannot cry for something you don’t care about.”
Dude, I am pretty sure that most of my great advice to my friends came from cartoons and fanfiction
I remember seeing Vision just DISMEMBERED like that being so jarring and upsetting, even if it’s all robotic.
That scene was absolutely horrifying.
Yes! I was so upset and disturbed😭
Plus he wasn’t a “robot robot”, he’s a synthozoid (synthetic humanoid), exact same as human mindset but just not made of flesh. He feels, thinks, has “free will” , etc. Vision is a living being, not just some robot. So it’s disturbing!
Because Vision acted more human than most of the people around him
It felt so disrespectful. The moment he died he became a thing to them again in stead of a person. He should have had a funeral or something at least. But basically he has no human rights apperently because he's just materials to them now.
I think one of the greatest and most subtle aspects and/or effects of their relationship was when Wanda was destroying the mind stone, killing Vision. Like just before he died and the stone exploded, you can see him saying something to her but you can't really hear what it is with the sounds and music over it. I think it's really really beautiful because even though you can't hear and if you don't read any captions or subtitles, you know it's Vision reassuring Wanda, telling her it's okay and that he's not hurt by it and that he just feels her. You know that's what he's telling her even though you don't hear it and in the end it's kind of a real life feeling relationship where that exchange of words was between them and them only. Kind of like what Wanda wanted back in the beginning of Infinity War, some time and privacy with her relationship
I never knew I maladaptive daydreamed. I grew up in a strict household and was alone with no friends or family members close my age. When I was in 7th grade I mentally created a fake family who basically my paternal nonexistent uncle and his family. Two important members are the kids or my cousins. My cousin understood my pain and talked to me so I wasn’t alone. He was a friend I never had. His little sister was my true self as a person. It was to relieve the pain that I had emotionally. So I can see where Wanda was coming from.
I get what your going through. Honestly I’m happy you commented because I’m going through something like this too. So it’s nice to know I’m not the only one who is going through something like this
Yeah I maladaptive daydreamed growing up we moved around a lot and my mom has the habit of making her new husbands her world and she forgets she has kids until she had to take us to school or feel us sometimes not even then
@@HealthyObbsession I’m so sorry that your mom does that
I had a similar experience. I was bullied so hard in school, that I started to imagine myself as a completely different person. I went so far as to call myself with her name and told my classmates to call me this too. They of course thought I went bonkers.
I had a similar experience except I never created a fake family I'd usually pretend that I was in a show I liked like Star Trek.
My mom died when I was 15. There was no disease, it literally happened overnight. My dad found her abd I watched as he tried to revive her. I am 22 now and am still not able to fully remember that day. From the moment I saw my father sitting on mom doing cpr it gets blurry. That's my trauma. For me, Wandavision is almost a perfect representation of grief and trauma. And it shows how it looks inside of me whenever I think about my mom. The show is just... For me it's a perfect representation.
I’m so sorry. I am always here as an ear. My trauma is also rung in this show it displays it so perfectly but through the eyes of a superhero and that’s how the feelings feel when they’re happening
Thank you, both of you.
I’m so sorry to hear that. How I wish we had the power of creation and be able to materialize our dreams.
“You are gonna get so many comments about how handsome you are.”
you BOTH are VERY handsome AND kind/pretty/funny/ all the good words :) love this channel 3000
Aww, thank you! :)
I was going to write something very similar, but as it's already here, I'll just say:
I very much agree!
Don’t forget Kati. She is a beautiful woman. Everyone involved in this video and every other previous and future video is utterly amazing. You’re a fantastic group of strong, powerful, wonderful people and we are so fortunate we get to watch these videos that are just brimming with the passion and effort you and everyone else puts into them. Thank you Cinema Therapy for just being there to help me and thousands of other people work through their grief and their trauma through cinema. Because of you I was able to have a much needed cry and I feel so much better after it. Words cannot describe how grateful I am. Again, tremendously, thank you.
Agreed. Love this channel 3000
*cries in agreement*
I’ve never heard anyone talk about maladaptive daydreaming! Thank you for the representation! I’m a maladaptive daydreamer, but it’s usually because I’m bored, lol. But it does affect my relationships. My daydreams are so fulfilling that I feel like I don’t need my real life. I recognized my own daydreams in every aspect of Wandavision.
Also maladaptive daydreamer here! It feels awesome to get some more representation :)
I'm also a maladaptive daydreamer! I feel like I've gotten to a point where I can live my real life, and advance it l, and actively engage in my relationships while still enjoying my little personal world, but there were definitely times where I was so absorbed in my own world that I didn't really engage with the real world.
I don't think I'll ever stop, but I am glad I've been able to find a balance.
Please do Disney’s “Coco” there’s so much insight on it as well.
Yes please
I bawled when i watched that ! omg... that movie means a lot to me
I would love that!
That movie means a lot to me😭😭😭
My interesting (?) story about Coco...
The first time I tried to watch it, I got about 10 minutes in and turned it off in disgust. I couldn't stand how his family treated him. Part of that is how much music means to me. It took a good friend of 25 years to convince me to give it one more try. I did, and fell in love with the movie.
People can shit on the line,”What is grief, but love persevering?” line as some corporate line or whatever. It doesn’t change the impact of those words.
They carry real power.
Nobody does though. It’s such a good line and it’s so heartfelt and impactful and moving. Don’t let an occasional troll bug your bliss.
Helped me reconceptualize my mother's death
Love is marketable.
@@ghostnappa553 people like you forget that while the corporate execs may love it too, these lines were originally written by real people, who want to tell real stories.
Lol I’m only 5-10 seconds in and on the verge of tears cause hearing other people cry makes me cry.
God, I love this channel lol
Me too, I was in floods of tears by the eighth episode, and didn't hold up past then!
Me too the entrance had me in tears.
the same thing happened to me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think they called this Sympathetic Crying in Psych episodes lol. But me toooo 🥺
@@DogOnAKeyboard honestly, for me is a very personal cry, ya know.
but it really it's crazy, it like dogs barking, it's quite contagious
I'm sad you didn't include the scene where Wanda gets dusted. It's heartbreaking, especially when you watch it after WandaVision, because the look on her face is just relief. It gets me every time.
A thought I had was the notion that when Wanda builds the construct, she was literally "putting up walls" to block dealing with it. I also noted that constructing the city was like a rush of emotion from a broken damn, but even in that rush the constructing of Vision was slow, careful, and elaborate. The animation itself shows that. His build was slower, because even her losing control in that moment, she could not let herself get him wrong. Like wise when she deconstructed everything, he was put away so much more carefully than the city was. Packed away piece by piece.
Thats a great way of putting it. Infact I was honestly wondering that why were certain things happening at different speeds when she already has the power to do it fast. After reading your comment, that makes so much sense. Thnx.
I feel like Wanda putting on her hood after she removes the magic she created and her loved ones are gone is sort of like she is putting on her black veil and starting to grieve, this time in a healthier way. The people who worked on this show were truly incredible
"You took everything from me." hits harder after experiencing WandaVision
I love seeing these three in tears. On its face, that may sound weird, but for me it is another reminder of how okay it is to be human. I love this channel. Also, Kati has been a TH-cam guru for me. So, this episode was all around awesome.
As a woman who always wanted to be a mom (but unfortunately hasn’t happened yet) the part where Wanda is saying goodbye to her kids at the end BROKE me… and I don’t cry easily in movies or television
YES! "Thank you for choosing me to be your Mom" this line gets me everytime I watch it. Just writing it now, I'm welling up. I am fortunate enough to be a Mum to one child & feel so much gratitude, it's tough to watch this scene, Okay now I'm crying AGAIN
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Moviekris I hope you get to be a mother(I’ve over thought how to word that). I think-From the context clues-that a child would be very fulfilled with you as their mother.
@@jessicaboyd3539 That’s so sweet of you to say ❤️ & I very much appreciate it!!! I definitely hope so ☺️
Yes. This. Exactly. I have rewatched WandaVision multiple times for the children/Mom aspect cuz I long for that and I’m so moved by this depiction of motherhood.
26:06 "It's just like this wave washing over me again and again. It knocks me down and when I try to stand up, it just comes for me again. And I can't- It's just gonna drown me."
This line that comes before everyone's favorite is also so powerful in showing what her character was experiencing. I have personally experienced physical being tossed about in ocean waves. The waves were rough at more rocky beach and it probably wasn't a good idea to swim, but the waves got worse with time. Once a wave knocks you over, it takes you under and rolls you into shore. You'd think you'd get to get your footing and stand up when it's shallower, but the water pulls you back out with the same force, and you get a second to gasp for air before another wave comes. I think this line is really powerful for me because I've had that experience.
It isn't just despair and feeling like things are futile, its terror. You aren't sure if you'll be able to surface to breathe again. You don't know if the next wave knocks you out. You don't know if you can get out of it, but you know you can't keep taking waves without getting air.
I think this is an accurate representation of how grief affects people.
Thank you so much for bringing to light the terror!
This is such an insightful take on that line. Thank you so much for sharing.
I loved the show for exactly that, emotional wisdom
Not only grief, but also depression. That line hit me so hard because, while I wasn't necessarily affected by the same grief Wanda was going through, I've been dealing with depression since I was 15 (I'm 25 now). Whenever I thought I had managed to get out of the water and back to safety, the waves pulled me back in and crashed over me again. And while you can struggle and reach for the air between those waves, you just start to get tired. Your body, your mind, it gets exhausting and you want to give up, because you feel like, sooner or later, the waves will drown you. You wi get tired of fighting and just give up. So these lines were very important to me, since they hit very close to home
I don't always cry in the middle of the day, but when I do, it's because I'm watching Cinema Therapy
This is so on point. I feel called out for getting through my difficulties by continuously watching The Office and Parks and Rec to be able to laugh and to imagine being in a relationship like the characters.
You and me both (Alan here.) Add in Arrested Development, Brooklyn99 and The Good Place, and that's like, thousands of hours of my life, counting all the rewatches.
@@CinemaTherapyShow what the fork!?! YES! All good ones too 👍. I'd seriously rather laugh than cry however sometimes ya just gotta let it flow.
@@CinemaTherapyShow I keep seeing posts about the Good Place, is it worth watching?
@@bennyton2560 The Good Place is amazing! Do yourself a favor and binge ASAP. Not only is it mind-bending (in a good way) and incredibly funny, at it’s heart it’s about the idea of how to be a good person and what that even means, and the care the cast and crew have for each other shows through. And it’s only 4 seasons so it wraps up nicely, doesn’t drag on, and is an easy binge.
Oh yeah Office, Parks and rec, 30 Rock. Especially Office I rewatched endlessly in middle school, on the bus to school, in the background. But idk i think more recently I’ve used movies to kind of cope with lack of relationships and social life irl.
There was almost no moment in WandaVision where I did not cry.
Because, as someone who has lost their whole family, had to see their bodies lying dead, and on slabs, and as someone who escapes trauma through MDD, I connect to Wanda on my own special level.
I myself lost many people in my life , do you want to share your experience with me?
So sorry for your loss pray that you heal know that the Lord is with you despite all your suffering even if you don't believe him
I feel obligated to tell Alan that he's a very handsome man. Jonathan too we love you guys.
I always look forward to their videos
Those glasses in the ad 😏
wandavision tore me up man. it came out just as my grandmother died, my dog a week later, and then my childhood best friend a week after that. my whole family was just sobbing at that “what is grief if not love persevering” line
hey there mate, I'm sending hugs to ya
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I'm sorry that you lost so many loved ones and I do hope you find peace and acceptance to be able to move on in their place. I'm sure they're all very proud of you and love you
I'm so sorry for your losses. Sending you love.
You lost me at dog
I’ve never related to a character more than Wanda in this series. When I was younger going through a really tough time in my life, I would watch Full House 24/7 on loop (I had the dvd box set) and would pretend that they were my family. I would even fall asleep with it playing and I did this for years. Now WandaVision is my favorite series ever and I feel like I’ve come full circle
I feel like i'm the same way but with MCU. I've been a misfit and introvert all my life so it's hard to make and keep friends although I wish I could. When i'm watching the MCU or even when i'm not, it's like i'm unintentionally pretending that they're all my friends. Some characters I relate strongly with.. Like Wanda, Druig, Moon Knight, Loki, Spiderman and Deadpool felt like my best of friends amongst all the other friends, haha.
I think one lesson of _Wandavision_ is that grief, while a powerful tool to help heal, can lead to you doing real harm to others if you don’t have a strong support system.
When the therapists break down... That's how you know Wandavision is good!
The entirety of the show I FELT what Wanda felt. And I have dealt with difficult shite that has just knocked me on my ass, and I know I've grief that has yet to truly go away- I choke up now as I write it. And the rage she feels, I feel on a daily basis and just wish I could unleash it like that. And trying to ignore reminders and try to forget the trauma is so hard.
My favorite thing to do when I have my rage outbursts is to just scream as loud as I can (into a pillow if there's people around lol) and punch something soft. It makes me feel so much better and a lot less helpless. And then I go do something productive or physically exerting just to funnel out the rest of my energy. And then eat something delicious lol.
Holy moly......the moment all three of you started tearing up, I was just gut punched. I think I cried more than Alan, cause it just...it was so visceral and relatable a feeling to me.
I lost my wife to cancer, and she was gone before I could even get to the hospital, before I could have any chance of saying goodbye. But what I choose to believe, was perfectly summed up in that scene between Wanda and Vision. That against all odds, we already met and parted once, so it stands to reason that we'll meet again. And it may not be in this life, or the next, or even the one beyond that, but we *will* meet again. And love again.
Because that's what we promised to each other. Together, forever and beyond.
Wanda has so much trauma from loss. More that’s often not mentioned is as soon as she came back she’s immediately thrown into battle. Then after battle she learns that Natasha is dead and who was her friend. Then her other friend/mentor Steve leaves to go live his life so she loses him too. She has had almost nothing but loss in her life.
When he started talking about his mom. It really got to me I lost my mom when I was 9 to breast cancer. And everyone who knew her saw her in me. Which was a tremendous comfort to me.
Reminds me of Harry Potter. Where people state that he looks like his father but has his mother's eyes. ❤❤❤
I hadn’t even considered the possibility of a therapist reacts to avatar: the last Airbender. That would be an absolute beast of a project so I get why it can’t be done. I need to forget I ever heard it mentioned 😂
Just one episode would suffice: The tales of Ba Sing Se.
@@fabricioazevedo2361 You can just say the Tale of Iroh.
Or a break down of zuko and aang 🙏🏼💯 aang went through so much but still choose the good and the hopeful and i never looked at zuko’s character development the first time i watched it because i found him just bad thats all but seeing the show multiple times i began to understand zuko on a deeper level
That or the Southern Raiders
They could break down the 3 season finales
Speaking of the MCU, I think it could be really interesting to talk about Natasha Romanoffs and Bucky Barnes trauma and their guilt of their past actions. Both were brought into a system that forced them to do horrible things they will have to live with all their life's. Even though their upbringing was really different, the guilt sits deep in both of them. Bucky had a relatively normal childhood, but had to live through war and being kidnapped, resulting in torture and brainwashing and ultimately being used as a weapon. Natasha was trafficked as a child, lurred into a false family only to be ripped apart from them and sent back to her abusers, who tortured, indoctrinated and abused a literal child, only to use her as their personal weapon. For Bucky we have Falcon and the Winter soldier to go off of and Natashas past is addressed in different movies in the MCU, mainly Age of Ultron and Black Widow. I think this could be a interesting thing to delf into.
Loved your video!
I second this!
Yesss I need a video on bucky so badly!! 😭
“It mattered.”
That’s a powerful line right there.
"Parents dead, brother dead, Vision dead"...Vision dead by her own hand once, then by Thanos moments later. No wonder she lost it.
The house Vision had bought for them torn down in the five years they were gone….
It is so sad, that her "safety place" was in tv, her boyfriend was superfishal, happy family life was emaginary. But love was real. Life is real. Hope is real. Saddest person in MCU
The love she felt during this fantasy she created really hit me in my feels,truly she just wanted a place to feel safe
And she had to kill Vision with her own power too. Imagine that feeling of killing someone you love the most.
Fiction and Imagination may not be real but The love in that imagination can be more real then anything
Goddamn it... This channel has made me cry before but this one had me flat out sobbing. I lost my dad back in 2015 to cancer so this hit way too close to home. Watching him go through that and fight to stay with us for as long as possible was by far the hardest and most painful thing I have ever gone through followed by losing my grandpa almost exactly a year later was like a kick in the gut
-a film student who definitely needs therapy
I think the “only way forward is back” thing is trying to say “life can only be understood backwards but lived forwards” but I can definitely understand how that could be misconstrued to mean something different
There are plenty of people who are living self-destructively because they have no idea why they do things they do or why they choose the people they choose. It is because most of them have trauma in their past that they haven't dealt with. This is why people who grew up in dysfunctional homes often seek dysfunctional partners that are like one or both of their parents. They are subconsciously recreating their home environment, but they can't figure out why they always choose alcoholics/abusers/liars/etc. Like any good therapist will tell you, if you have a history of dating the "same" person, it's not luck or coincidence.
@@misspriss2482 this is very true!
*pauses at 45 seconds*
...I'm not emotionally ready for this one...
*pushes play*
Dude, why? You could have seen it in pieces, i did that
I got 30 seconds in.. there's no way I can watch this and work at the same time
Yeah the first minute and i knew that I was going to cry
mood
same here
If y’all are doing limited series now, how about The Queens Gambit? One of my favorite shows and it’s just a couple episodes. The price of genius
SAME OH MY GOD I LOVE THE QUEEN'S GAMBIT SO MUCH I'VE SUGGESTED IT TO ALL MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY
Abandonment, addiction, high level sports/games psychology, grief, this club has everything
I thought it was longer than that. 2 episodes seems really short. Lol
@@alex0589 ...don't forget to add Danny Devito, Macaulay Culkin, and midgets cosplaying as gremlins.
@@itsboyaknow it’s seven episodes. I just mean it’s relatively short compared to most tv show seasons.
Dude seeing these two grown men crying, just got to me at the end. Especially when Jonathan started talking about his mom, and how he said “ even if I never see my mom again I can come in even though that’s not what I believe, it was such a privilege to know her, and the best way of honoring her is by continuing to put out into the universe the good that she gave me.“ I know I’m paraphrasing. But it’s just so beautiful. It’s some thing I greatly relate to auto very deep personal level.
I came across this channel and I have fallen in love with it. I have told my brother about it. I’ve told my friends about it. I’ll keep telling people about it because it’s just such a wonderful thing to have out in the universe. I can be having the worst day, watch one of these videos and feel so much better, it’s like a warm hug from an old friend.
Jonathan for the record, I think your mom would be really proud of you and all the good you’ve done. how you’ve chosen to honor her memory would probably make her really happy. I honestly can’t wait to see more of these videos. see what other topics you guys choose next.
When I watched Wanda's breakdown, when she releases her magic and turns Westview into Sitcom world, I could empathize with her quite well (not necessarily grief, but I know this kind of feeling of overwhelming emotions and the desire to just break down). However, what makes this even more painful is that for us non-witches, we don't get that release. When my emotions overwhelm me, I also often cry and just want to fall to my knees and scream. But no matter how hard I cry, or how loud I scream, there's no burst of magic coming out of me, that feeling is just stuck in my chest and no matter how long and hard I cry, it's just stuck there. Sure, crying helps a bit, but so often I find myself not having any release. After a while, I may run out of tears and then I just sit there on the floor staring at the wall and not knowing how to get out of this pit. There's nothing to do. All I knew to do before was crying, but that didn't help, so I can just wait for that magical thing to happen, wait for my problems to fix themselves, for my loved ones to pick me up. But that doesn't happen, because this world is not magical. And this is what sucks so much about this feeling, that no matter what you do, it just sits there and makes you think you'll never be happy again.
I don't know if you've tried it, but sometimes screaming really loud and squeezing something really hard helps me to release that feeling a little bit. Obviously not all the way, but just a bit.
I relate to this a lot, well said!👏🏼😢🥺and yes this world is not magical unfortunately
The way i feel every word you wrote 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 exactly me too when i watched that scene i swear at some point i was empathizing so much actually i wouldn't say empathizing i was JUST RELAAATING BC I UNDERSTOOD THAT HEAAAVY FEELING that wanted to explode so much that i was also kinda acting the scene out. That little sound/scream she made before her magic bursted out and the way she was holding her chest/stomach is very very familiar to me but as u said i wish we had a means to let it out but often time we can't.
No matter if you have real powers or not, it still wouldn't change because the ultimate way to get through it is by allowing yourself to grieve and feel instead of waiting for something to happen. Do not wait on something to happen or expect things to just happen because I know from personal experience that you'll get no where with that. What you're saying sounds exactly like what they said Maladaptive Daydreaming, whether it is extreme or not. I know what you're going through and I feel the same but there is something very valuable I've learned that other people still haven't and it's loving myself. It may not completely go away when I do love myself but I at least feel that change with the grief giving me that hope, a hope that is not purely happy but that is bittersweet. It always gets easier when you learn to love yourself because in this reality, waiting for magic will simply only stay as exactly that, waiting for magic that doesn't even exist.
As someone who suffered loss after loss, after loss, and being continuously reminded of various parts of myself, and opportunities along the way that I lost, this is probably the first time I felt happy with the algorithm of recos here. Thank you for this episode.
You are extremely lucky because I have never had loved ones to lose. I am alone in the world but you had people to love in the past, you were truly blessed.
“The only way forward is back” reminds me of an African symbol that means a lot to me that means: “To go back and get what is lost so you can move forward” 💜
The Sankofa bird. 🦅🍃
I am literally sitting here, watching this episode and crying together with you guys. Allowing myself to be sad feels so... relieving.
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts with us!
If limited series are on the table, please do Haunting of Hill house on netflix. It’s such an incredible series with so much emotional depth, I feel like you guys would have a field day with it
when i learned that the siblings were the 5 stages of grief i literally cried
I really liked the haunting of hill house but hated the ending
@@blackmoor5708 oh i loved the ending
Fantastic show! Seconded
OH SHIT! YES!!!! THAT SERIES IS MY FAVORITE!
I just heard the first minute and i already started crying, thats a record! Love your videos guys 💕
Same! Bawling like a baby by the end of the video. They are spot on in their analysis. Love it!
me too! i was like aw man...c'mon! 😭
Someone once said to me: “don’t mourn the death, celebrate their life.”
And I repeat that to myself over and over every time I lose someone.
I’m a maladaptive daydreamer and I cannot stress how hard it can be to get things done. I’ve had the worst semester because of so many traumatic things that it’s hard to escape my imagination. It was bad before, but it got worse these past months and now my studies and family are suffering because of it.
As a maladaptive daydreamer, I have noticed this about Wanda vision since the beginning and I am so glad that someone has finnallly acknowledged this! Thank you!
I never made that connection until now. It was very eye-opening.
One of the most powerful scenes was how in WandaVision we actually got to hear Wanda scream. In AoU she screams, but the music overpowers her scream. Here, she’s actually allowed to. And we are allowed to actually HEAR her scream
It was really validating when Alan said he cries at movies a lot. I do, too, and shows and video games and all kinds of media. I feel silly for it sometimes, but here's a guy whose opinion I can respect sitting with two therapists utterly normalizing it.
Thanks, Cinematherapy. You make it a little easier to be who I am.
I cry every single time I listen to the Wicked soundtrack, even the songs that aren’t sad, because I *feel* the emotions of the character so strongly. Empathy? Idk
Not sure if you know of the game Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
but it was the first game to make me cry
I woke up with nearly having an anxiety attack this morning. After properly calming me down and getting me to just sit in the couch, my fiance pulled up this episode of cinema therapy (only one I hadn't watched yet) and got me some food to eat. That's how much he knows I love this channel and how into these episodes I can get. Thank you so much for this channel. It gives me so much insight into myself and my own trauma in a way that feels safe to me. (I'm also in therapy so it's not just this I promise!)
That scene of her destroying the mind stone is some of the most heartbreaking scenes along with Loki trying to kill Thanos.
The pain on Elizabeth's face, and the immediate change to fear, and pain and pure rage when she hit Thanos again in the final fight... And Paul's pain then the peace at the very end... Top notch actors.
Maladaptive daydreaming is what I used when I was a child to escape my reality and go into another life where I could control the narratives and resolve conflicts in that set-up life in my own immature way; a place where I had value. Thinking about it now, that was my first counselling sessions (I am now a counsellor). I do still daydream about my sessions, especially about alternative ways that I could have handled the real-life counselling sessions and it has its own pros and cons.
I needed Alan's comic relief at the end, I was sobbing. What a fantastic episode, guys.
He nailed it. - Jonathan
Man, thank you all for being so open and sharing your feelings and experiences.
In the comics, Agatha Harkness actually helped Wanda learn her magic, and was a mentor in life in general. She started kinda bad, but became a significant part of her life. I like how they played it in the show.
Haunting of Hill House is a quick self-contained show, i know you guys aren't keen on doing TV series' but this one is only a little longer than these MCU shows and it'd be cool to hear your take on the traumatized/broken family dynamics and the cinematography
Also 'Haunting of Bly Manor' would be really good too
My family watched the "What is grief if not love persevering" episode in the same week that my grandma passed unexpectedly and that line was incredibly helpful to us.
Aww. I am so glad that lined helped you!
That ep came out a week or 2 after my cat passed and I was just a wreck. That line helped me a bit and especially the part when Wanda told her kids "Thank you for choosing me to be your mom" (apologies if this isn't accurate) and I just felt it all over again. I was so glad that I was chosen to take care of her during her life. It still devastates me that I don't get to see her again but I'm glad she was part of my life.
I think I was doing the daydreaming similar to Wanda years ago after my miscarriage. I wouldn't do it if I had to go to work, but the minute I was alone at home I would do this. I was very deep in my depression that I think my mind was trying to protect me. I'm glad I saw this episode because I now have more insight to what I experienced.
This was a good video.
I almost didn't click on it because of Kati Morton, but I couldn't resist. I know the Cinema Therapy team does their best to avoid stigmatizing mental illness and is always learning and improving. They apologize when they need to. They don't sensationalize disorders for clicks. Even when a character could be diagnosed with something like, say, narcissism, the discussion tends to stay very grounded, focusing on the humanity of the characters. We're not here to gawk at the "horrible disorder"; we're here to learn and grow (and appreciate movies, ofc).
I appreciate especially that Jonathan seems to recognize the limits of his expertise. My favorite insight is the kind I expect from him has a licensed therapist-about processing grief, emotions, anxiety, depression, family dynamics, etc.
All that to say-I trust the team has learned from the disappointment in some of the comments under this episode. When you Google "Kati Morton," nothing negative pops up, at least in the first several pages. You'd think it's obvious to look for TH-cam videos about her, but I'm not sure I would. Since much of the backlash against her has been on TH-cam and on social media, it would be very easy for people to miss. Meanwhile, for those of us who practically live on TH-cam and Twitter, it's easy to assume everyone else knows as much about TH-cam drama and mistakes as we do.
I trust that Jonathon won't give me a reason to feel the same about him as I do Kati Morton and some other therapist TH-camrs. (Too many sensationalize, don't stay in their lane, and talk like experts about disorders they're no more expert in than the average non-therapist. It feels...icky.) I hope Kati is improving and growing as a creator, therapist, and person. I hope the best for her. I'd still normally avoid videos she's in. And I say this as someone who, at the time, didn't have an issue with the Jake Paul series. (Again, at the time. My thought was, "Well, it's not like it will hurt the feelings of anyone with real ASPD, right?" I now agree with others who say Shane and Kati's approach to the disorder was in poor taste and rather irresponsible. And the Eugenia Cooney vid they did... that never sat well.) :/
Heey, I did not know anything about her and learned about her in this comment section, because I am from Germany and my TH-cam drama bubble is a bit different here ;) But I really think that your comment is perfect. Kind and understanding, but also very clear. I love that. Thank you.
This! Thank you for summarizing how I feel about this
I don’t feel like doing the TH-cam dive on every piece of drama on the platform- who is she and what did she do? Somebody catch me up here
@@silasgreaves6134 I'm just as confused she seems like a lovely lady
@@silasgreaves6134 @Sky The nerd
Other comments go more in depth. Honestly, it's not worth the emotional and mental energy. In essence, Kati Morton is a licensed marriage and family therapist (LMFT) who appears to have let the temptation of clout and views override her professional ethics.
Points of controversy include her handling of anti-social personality disorder (ASPD, colloquially known as psychopathy or sociopathy) in Shane Dawson's Jake Paul docuseries, her handling of the Eugenia Cooney situation and eating disorder (both in Shane's video and elsewhere), and her response to criticism. I vaguely remember something about her doing the copyright claim thing on videos criticizing her *but I may be remembering incorrectly*.
She has, multiple times, failed to meet the professional expectations we have of a large TH-camr or a therapist. This is especially concerning considering that mental health disorders, illnesses, etc. can lead to life-threatening situations (with the person who has the disorder being the most likely to get hurt). And eating disorders are particularly deadly.
From my understanding, her apologies have been relatively weak and sometimes nonexistent, though I personally have not bothered with her videos and posts for years.
I personally became increasingly uncomfortable watching her. I normally ignore her videos when they appear in my feed. I ignore many other mental health providers on TH-cam for similar reasons-I feel they're exploiting the public's trust in their profession for views...often on videos about things they're not actually experts in.
Like I said, others know more details. Just be careful. Some are quick to demonize. Others are quick to excuse. Some talk as if Kati only did one thing wrong one time.
It's just an uncomfortable situation all around. I'm sure Kati still is able to offer a lot of good. Obviously she is-think of the videos that led Cinema Therapy to feature her. Her training and her counseling experience aren't all for naught. Unfortunately, she's made it harder for herself to offer that good on this platform.
If she's offered actual good apologies on all topics mentioned above, I'd be happy to watch them. I'm not sure I'd watch anything else from her, though.
On another note, the Agatha all Along song was such a banger. I loved how excited and cool Agatha was until the last line, "And I killed Sparky too."
Ditto, it was an unexpectedly catchy song, especially for a villain!
@@trinaq Indeed. It was great at setting them up as cortoonishly evil. and exciting.
It's already being parodied too. Somewhere did a Star Wars "Palpatine All Along."
It was actually at the top of the charts too ha!
When I found out sparky died, I was like she did it. That line was vindication
I would love it if y'all dived into Bo Burnham's Inside! It's as close to cinema as comedy specials get, IMO, and there's definitely LOTS of things for you to discuss in there!
Yes!! I really would want them to talk more about pandemic depression because im feeling that a lot lately!
Yes! I would LOVE that
Fucking love that piece
Boosting!
I’d love to see a video of Inside! They could explore humor as a response to serious topics or how people cope using humor. This film made me laugh a lot but also cry.