I will probably never see a NFL team in Toronto in my lifetime, however it will come eventually as the league wants to grow internationally. I don't see the Argos, stadium, or the failure of the Bills series in Toronto as an impediment. At the end of the day the league wants to make money and the league already seen the city can support other major sports. There will be a time when the league earnings from media rights, ticket sales, and merchandise slows down. When this happens I can see the league seriously look at entering new markets.
rogers stadium AND BMO desperately need upgrades, but Toronto needs a proper football stadium to lure an NFL team and they need a proper stadium for the 2026 FIFA world cup, the rogers renovations are insufficient and so are the BMO renovation plans
@@sampicano I don't want to build a proper football stadium (which will likely need taxpayers support) before earning the rights to a team. We will be used as a leverage for other NFL teams (with no intentions of moving) when they negotiate with their cities on upgrading facilities, etc. I rather the NFL say Toronto has the rights to a new expansion team and give us a hard date to build/upgrade a stadium to NFL standards. I do believe the NFL will come to Toronto, but it will likely not be in my lifetime and I'm fine with that.
over 6.5 million people in Toronto and they love football, not as much as hockey, but a 6.5 million person city can support an NFL team, an NHL team, an MLB team and an NBA team. It's larger than Denver and Denver has all four. city of buffalo - 276,807 (2021) city of toronto - 2,930,000 (2017) imagine the NFL thinks buffalo is a better option, and are unexplainably so stubborn that they decide "Toronto will never get an NFL Team" this was a dumb video
I think if the NFL Ever wants to expand to Toronto, It should go to Vancouver. We have a very strong fanbase and a LOT of Seahawks fans. We also have a huge stadium with almost double the capacity of Torontos.
I think the "no ability to sell tickets" is highly flawed. Before the ridiculously overpriced Buffalo Bills package of games that Rogers purchased, pretty much all the prior games were sold out for pre-season exhibition games in Toronto. The buffalo bills games were also against poor attracting opponents, so the deck was stacks for those games not to sell tickets well. Also considering how well the Raptors, Blue Jays and Maple Leafs sell tickets, Toronto is a big time sports town. All the teams are often in the respective leagues top 10 for attendance despite having considerable stretches of playoff droughts and have well out performed American teams with similar season records when it comes to attendance. Unfortunately the Argos are dying a slow death and are just a speck on the city's sports landscape. Even Toronto FC is more popular than the Argos, so I don't think the NFL will care too much about the Argos well being. The team ranks dead last in CFL attendance by a wide margin. It's simply the case of people valuing their entertainment dollars on higher profile sports leagues. Even minor league hockey doesn't do well in Toronto.
What Canadian in Toronto supports the city of Buffalo LMAO That would be like expecting people in Detroit to support Hamilton Tiger Cats...like why would Toronto downgrade and support a worse city? Just stupid NFL executives not reading the market. NFL ratings are WAY better than CFL ratings. But I know more Cowboys fans than Bills fans...
In my opinion the argos not succeeding has nothing to do with an NFL team succeeding. There’s many NFL fans here in Toronto ( many are bills fans ) the CFL product isn’t as good as NFL. The hype around an NFL team would bring people in
That’s rubbish. Anyone who knows what the CFL is like knows how exciting it is. Toronto people are too snobbish to watch Canadian football against Saskatchewan & Edmonton. They see themselves as above the CFL. Which is why the rest of Canada wouldn’t support them either. Because Toronto people think they are better than the best of the country. If you want to be a wannabe American every 2 weeks, hop in the car & head to Buffalo for games. 🏈
@@swansbear Because they are above the CFL. And let's be real, people from all parts of Canada always bandwagon to teams like the Raptors and Blue Jays when they're doing good. So that second sentence is you willingly being in denial.
From anecdotal evidence from sports writers and such. Most people in Toronto are familiar with the NFL and didn't go to the Bills games as they were back then a bad team and not from the city & the CFL is generally more seen as a JV league. to the NFL If an owner wants one with deep enough pockets. Then it will probably happen, just not soon.
Except for pre season games, Canadian Government should ban the No-Fun League and other GI Footy Regular Season/Playoff games from being played in the country period, killing off any expansion team crap. NHL makes sense (Canada should be 8 teams Vs. 20 USA) but that's about it. Hell, in the 1970s, Canada almost passed an act to stop then-WFL from putting a Toronto-based team but they failed.
Sorry, forgot PWHL aka WNHL. Oopie. Yet Junior nor anything below the NHL should be either just Canada or USA imho. Rugby, Basketball, and Baseball have it but only Toronto ish. Soccer has 3 teams than 1, wish it was 4, but it is what it is and if I must have my point of view, I'll stand by it.
What we should do is take the bigger football leagues in North America and and treat it like the English tear system send wining teams up losing teams down.
If Toronto had an NFL team, all of Canada would buy Tickets, just like how it works in the MLB and the NBA, its not just Toronto, its all of Canada would pay to fly and go see them play. Essentially, you'd have a 40 million sized city. Their value in 30 years would be the same as the cowboys.
Wouldn’t having a foreign country team convert the NFL from a national football league into an international league? Which country rules and regulations would the teams and players follow? What national anthem would they play in a foreign city stadium?
Sure yes as an incorporated city. I was going off of metro area which is more of what the NFL would use, as people from all over the metro area (and beyond) would drive to football games.
@@lukewong4065 In US 90% of the time when people say "city" they mean metropolitan area the city and it's commuting suburbs. By Metropolitan area it's the 10th, Atlanta, Miami, DC, Philly, and Toronto are all in the similar size 6.1 to 6'3 million area.
I live in Suburban Buffalo so I say this with a bit of sadness, the league would cannibalize the Bills in a heartbeat in favor of Toronto. TV money is all-powerful and Toronto would positively goose the TV amount. The problem I see with a Toronto team is fan support during the down years. The Bills in Toronto series was a disaster and they were giving seats away by the end of it. Fortunately Rogers comm. and Pegula agreed to terminate the agreement after Pegula bought the team in 2014.
@@WDI2008 Those places have the population density to fully support two teams. Whereas the Bills draw fans from Western and Central NY as well as Southern Ontario. Toronto lost the eye of the NFL when the Toronto series failed miserably. The Rogers family had to give away thousands upon thousands of tickets for free just to get people there to come and watch the games. The NFL is allergic to free. London is the next city up for a team followed by either Mexico City or somewhere in Germany, likely Munich.
Toronto does not support Buffalo. Toronto is over 6.5 million people, the city of buffalo is 276,807 (2021). Buffalo should support a Toronto team. Who cares if the tax payers built a stadium. Go where the money is. San Diego did. So did St. Louis.
Toronto is 2 hours and 45 minutes from Buffalo....I don't know ANYBODY who drives that far to go support an inferior city (Buffalo) It's basically 3 hours away...two teams in LA. 2 teams in Rutherford NJ. But not a chance Toronto a city with 6.5 million people and 3 hour drive from Buffalo could support a team LMAO
I don't watch the NFL anymore for many reasons. Basically, it's just a crashing bore. Back in the day a game would never approach three hours in length. No flow to the game. Am I the only one?
There’s no a real need to build a new stadium, as you mentioned the sky dome is standing in the league regulations. Hence, tickets will probably be sold.
have you ever seen an NFL stadium before? which one is on par with the rogers centre? each NFL stadium is like a half billion dollar masterpiece of architecture at minimum, not some 40 year old concrete monstrosity with a 800ft concrete boner attached to it
Thats ridiculous, what does cfl have anything to do with NFL!?! people want NFL, tickets to argos has nothing to do with ability to sell nfl. NFL will sell out herr like no other
kingston is good or petawawa 1 primary reason # only the average CFL team are worth less than $10 million dollars, and NFL players like Aaron Rogers are being paid more than the ENITRE CFL combined.... An NFL team in Toronto would be worth BILLIONS, instantly over $4 billion dollars. Why would anyone want that money, when the Argos can average under 11k fans and be worth less as a franchise than Auston Matthews. Think about it.
no it doesnt. the language barrier and crime rate are pretty big obstacles. Toronto already has an NBA, MLB, and NFL team, and loves football, Canada invented football. So no, Toronto is WAY better lol
@@rangersking6699 they don't have one, toronto would have to build a stadium, and they still are more likely to get a team than crime riddled mexico city (olay!)
Toronto could support an NFL team and a CFL team. LA has an XFL team. So does Houston. People STILL love the Argos, my Dad wouldn't stop watching them. Why can't the CFL exist, and the Argos can still pull the lowest attendances lmao (11k last year). What would change??? The least supported CFL team would be less supported? Too bad there's a brand new $4 billion dollar NFL franchise.
Not according to the size of Toronto. And the amount of money in Toronto. And the TV ratings for NFL in Toronto. Montreal would be a DISTANT second place (in Canada). But San Antonio-Austin, St. Louis, San Diego, and Portland and Toronto would all be better options than Montreal (or Vancouver).
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CFL is not more exciting. My dad is 76 and thinks it is, but he is wrong. Toronto DOES need an NFL team. Aaron Rodgers is worth more $50 million, than EVERY CFL teams roster combined....one player makes more than THE ENTIRE CFL... The CFL is not a real league. Toronto is real city and deserves an NFL team, I don't really care what dumb drunks in Alberta want. They have oil rigs to keep them happy.
Basically for anyone who’s a millennial and younger, we’ve grown up viewing the NFL as the cooler league. NFL fantasy is way more popular than CFL fantasy here, and more people from younger demographics could prob list dozens of NFL players and barely any CFL players
The reason no one goes to Argos, because it it an inferior product. 3 downs limits play strategy. Who would want to watch run, pass, then punt. Worst than college football.
It would be a lot easier to put an NFL team in Toronto as opposed to London!
Yes I believe I & everyone else agrees completely
Yea true
London, England?
@@insansiregar6158yup. Don’t forget London is larger enough
I will probably never see a NFL team in Toronto in my lifetime, however it will come eventually as the league wants to grow internationally. I don't see the Argos, stadium, or the failure of the Bills series in Toronto as an impediment. At the end of the day the league wants to make money and the league already seen the city can support other major sports. There will be a time when the league earnings from media rights, ticket sales, and merchandise slows down. When this happens I can see the league seriously look at entering new markets.
rogers stadium AND BMO desperately need upgrades, but Toronto needs a proper football stadium to lure an NFL team and they need a proper stadium for the 2026 FIFA world cup, the rogers renovations are insufficient and so are the BMO renovation plans
@@sampicano I don't want to build a proper football stadium (which will likely need taxpayers support) before earning the rights to a team. We will be used as a leverage for other NFL teams (with no intentions of moving) when they negotiate with their cities on upgrading facilities, etc. I rather the NFL say Toronto has the rights to a new expansion team and give us a hard date to build/upgrade a stadium to NFL standards. I do believe the NFL will come to Toronto, but it will likely not be in my lifetime and I'm fine with that.
over 6.5 million people in Toronto and they love football, not as much as hockey, but a 6.5 million person city can support an NFL team, an NHL team, an MLB team and an NBA team. It's larger than Denver and Denver has all four.
city of buffalo - 276,807 (2021)
city of toronto - 2,930,000 (2017)
imagine the NFL thinks buffalo is a better option, and are unexplainably so stubborn that they decide "Toronto will never get an NFL Team"
this was a dumb video
I think if the NFL Ever wants to expand to Toronto, It should go to Vancouver. We have a very strong fanbase and a LOT of Seahawks fans. We also have a huge stadium with almost double the capacity of Torontos.
I think the "no ability to sell tickets" is highly flawed. Before the ridiculously overpriced Buffalo Bills package of games that Rogers purchased, pretty much all the prior games were sold out for pre-season exhibition games in Toronto. The buffalo bills games were also against poor attracting opponents, so the deck was stacks for those games not to sell tickets well.
Also considering how well the Raptors, Blue Jays and Maple Leafs sell tickets, Toronto is a big time sports town. All the teams are often in the respective leagues top 10 for attendance despite having considerable stretches of playoff droughts and have well out performed American teams with similar season records when it comes to attendance.
Unfortunately the Argos are dying a slow death and are just a speck on the city's sports landscape. Even Toronto FC is more popular than the Argos, so I don't think the NFL will care too much about the Argos well being. The team ranks dead last in CFL attendance by a wide margin. It's simply the case of people valuing their entertainment dollars on higher profile sports leagues. Even minor league hockey doesn't do well in Toronto.
The drawback is that the Canadian Dollar is not as valuable as the US Dollar.
What Canadian in Toronto supports the city of Buffalo LMAO
That would be like expecting people in Detroit to support Hamilton Tiger Cats...like why would Toronto downgrade and support a worse city?
Just stupid NFL executives not reading the market. NFL ratings are WAY better than CFL ratings. But I know more Cowboys fans than Bills fans...
In my opinion the argos not succeeding has nothing to do with an NFL team succeeding. There’s many NFL fans here in Toronto ( many are bills fans ) the CFL product isn’t as good as NFL. The hype around an NFL team would bring people in
That’s rubbish. Anyone who knows what the CFL is like knows how exciting it is. Toronto people are too snobbish to watch Canadian football against Saskatchewan & Edmonton. They see themselves as above the CFL. Which is why the rest of Canada wouldn’t support them either. Because Toronto people think they are better than the best of the country.
If you want to be a wannabe American every 2 weeks, hop in the car & head to Buffalo for games. 🏈
@@swansbear Because they are above the CFL. And let's be real, people from all parts of Canada always bandwagon to teams like the Raptors and Blue Jays when they're doing good. So that second sentence is you willingly being in denial.
@@CharlieNDif you can’t support the CFL, then you’re not a real football fan.
From anecdotal evidence from sports writers and such. Most people in Toronto are familiar with the NFL and didn't go to the Bills games as they were back then a bad team and not from the city & the CFL is generally more seen as a JV league. to the NFL If an owner wants one with deep enough pockets. Then it will probably happen, just not soon.
Cfl needs more teams.
Bills sucked. You are spot one. No big stars on the team either.
Except for pre season games, Canadian Government should ban the No-Fun League and other GI Footy Regular Season/Playoff games from being played in the country period, killing off any expansion team crap. NHL makes sense (Canada should be 8 teams Vs. 20 USA) but that's about it. Hell, in the 1970s, Canada almost passed an act to stop then-WFL from putting a Toronto-based team but they failed.
Sorry, forgot PWHL aka WNHL. Oopie. Yet Junior nor anything below the NHL should be either just Canada or USA imho.
Rugby, Basketball, and Baseball have it but only Toronto ish. Soccer has 3 teams than 1, wish it was 4, but it is what it is and if I must have my point of view, I'll stand by it.
What we should do is take the bigger football leagues in North America and and treat it like the English tear system send wining teams up losing teams down.
Toronto is a great market. It would absolutely work. They just need a new domed stadium.
If Toronto had an NFL team, all of Canada would buy Tickets, just like how it works in the MLB and the NBA, its not just Toronto, its all of Canada would pay to fly and go see them play. Essentially, you'd have a 40 million sized city. Their value in 30 years would be the same as the cowboys.
Wouldn’t having a foreign country team convert the NFL from a national football league into an international league? Which country rules and regulations would the teams and players follow? What national anthem would they play in a foreign city stadium?
*Toronto is the 3rd largest city in North America, only behind NYC and LA.
Sure yes as an incorporated city. I was going off of metro area which is more of what the NFL would use, as people from all over the metro area (and beyond) would drive to football games.
@@secondsports9927 Yeah, but it’s still only 5th, behind NYC, LA, Chicago, and Wash.
@@lukewong4065 In US 90% of the time when people say "city" they mean metropolitan area the city and it's commuting suburbs. By Metropolitan area it's the 10th, Atlanta, Miami, DC, Philly, and Toronto are all in the similar size 6.1 to 6'3 million area.
@@draetone5602 by metropolitan area, Toronto is still 7th in North America :) and that’s including Mexico
Mexico City is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY bigger than Toronto
Now that Buffalo is getting a stadium and will be in that city for the next 30 years you can uncheck league desire. Toronto is too close to Buffalo.
I live in Suburban Buffalo so I say this with a bit of sadness, the league would cannibalize the Bills in a heartbeat in favor of Toronto. TV money is all-powerful and Toronto would positively goose the TV amount.
The problem I see with a Toronto team is fan support during the down years. The Bills in Toronto series was a disaster and they were giving seats away by the end of it. Fortunately Rogers comm. and Pegula agreed to terminate the agreement after Pegula bought the team in 2014.
On the other hand look at the distance between Washington DC and Baltimore.Or Los Angeles and Las Vegas.
@@WDI2008 Those places have the population density to fully support two teams. Whereas the Bills draw fans from Western and Central NY as well as Southern Ontario.
Toronto lost the eye of the NFL when the Toronto series failed miserably. The Rogers family had to give away thousands upon thousands of tickets for free just to get people there to come and watch the games. The NFL is allergic to free.
London is the next city up for a team followed by either Mexico City or somewhere in Germany, likely Munich.
Toronto does not support Buffalo. Toronto is over 6.5 million people, the city of buffalo is 276,807 (2021). Buffalo should support a Toronto team.
Who cares if the tax payers built a stadium. Go where the money is. San Diego did. So did St. Louis.
Toronto is 2 hours and 45 minutes from Buffalo....I don't know ANYBODY who drives that far to go support an inferior city (Buffalo)
It's basically 3 hours away...two teams in LA. 2 teams in Rutherford NJ. But not a chance Toronto a city with 6.5 million people and 3 hour drive from Buffalo could support a team LMAO
Vancouver would do better with ticket sales. Seahawks are an hour away
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I don't watch the NFL anymore for many reasons. Basically, it's just a crashing bore. Back in the day a game would never approach three hours in length. No flow to the game. Am I the only one?
Yea toronto should get NFL team
Niagara and Toronto are Bills country
Its called the buffalo bills
There’s no a real need to build a new stadium, as you mentioned the sky dome is standing in the league regulations. Hence, tickets will probably be sold.
have you ever seen an NFL stadium before? which one is on par with the rogers centre? each NFL stadium is like a half billion dollar masterpiece of architecture at minimum, not some 40 year old concrete monstrosity with a 800ft concrete boner attached to it
nuh uh
Toronto is getting a NFL TEAM WATCH
Nope, we have the CFL 👍
Thats ridiculous, what does cfl have anything to do with NFL!?! people want NFL, tickets to argos has nothing to do with ability to sell nfl. NFL will sell out herr like no other
2 primary reasons. #1 it has a C.F.L. Team and league rules would not accept it. #2 too close to Buffalo.Kingston Ontario is where I would put a team.
kingston is good or petawawa
1 primary reason # only the average CFL team are worth less than $10 million dollars, and NFL players like Aaron Rogers are being paid more than the ENITRE CFL combined....
An NFL team in Toronto would be worth BILLIONS, instantly over $4 billion dollars. Why would anyone want that money, when the Argos can average under 11k fans and be worth less as a franchise than Auston Matthews.
Think about it.
Mexico City feels a lot more in reach for the nfl than Toronto
Toronto is a better for this matter
no it doesnt. the language barrier and crime rate are pretty big obstacles. Toronto already has an NBA, MLB, and NFL team, and loves football, Canada invented football. So no, Toronto is WAY better lol
@@sampicano please explain what stadium in Toronto is suitable for the nfl. QUICKLY
@@rangersking6699 they don't have one, toronto would have to build a stadium, and they still are more likely to get a team than crime riddled mexico city (olay!)
The CFL would sue the NFL for plundering their market. Make the CFL better.
Cfl sucks
Toronto could support an NFL team and a CFL team. LA has an XFL team. So does Houston. People STILL love the Argos, my Dad wouldn't stop watching them. Why can't the CFL exist, and the Argos can still pull the lowest attendances lmao (11k last year). What would change??? The least supported CFL team would be less supported? Too bad there's a brand new $4 billion dollar NFL franchise.
This is incorrect. The NFL has no interest in Toronto.
Probably Montreal is the only canadian city who could have an NFL team
he'd have a lot more subscribers if he stopped saying stupid things
Not according to the size of Toronto. And the amount of money in Toronto. And the TV ratings for NFL in Toronto.
Montreal would be a DISTANT second place (in Canada). But San Antonio-Austin, St. Louis, San Diego, and Portland and Toronto would all be better options than Montreal (or Vancouver).
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🇨🇦CFL is more exciting football and older than the NFL. We don't need an NFL Team, we have our own league.
CFL is not more exciting.
My dad is 76 and thinks it is, but he is wrong.
Toronto DOES need an NFL team.
Aaron Rodgers is worth more $50 million, than EVERY CFL teams roster combined....one player makes more than THE ENTIRE CFL...
The CFL is not a real league. Toronto is real city and deserves an NFL team, I don't really care what dumb drunks in Alberta want. They have oil rigs to keep them happy.
Basically for anyone who’s a millennial and younger, we’ve grown up viewing the NFL as the cooler league. NFL fantasy is way more popular than CFL fantasy here, and more people from younger demographics could prob list dozens of NFL players and barely any CFL players
The reason no one goes to Argos, because it it an inferior product. 3 downs limits play strategy. Who would want to watch run, pass, then punt. Worst than college football.
Just wait until someone asks for taxpayer funds to build a new stadium, and you will see just how little interest there is in NFL in Toronto.