Taxpayers are on the hook for lots of things like student debt forgiveness and illegal migrant health care thanks to Democrat crooks, that run New York state.
Serves New York City right. That overpopulated island makes my sales tax high and takes away from this vast state. The least they can do is help pay for the stadium.
Love how this is being compared to the Tottenham Hotspurs stadium, which was completely funded by the club through a combination of their own money and financing. No taxpayers money.
@@poluticonpoint being all NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA teams should fund the majority if not all their stadium cost. Most MLS teams pay more than half of their stadium costs.
I've been going to Bills games since 1967, I was 6. Going to the Rock pile and Rich Stadiums. I'm going to 1 more game in my life, the new Highmark Stadium. Truthfully I could have cared less if they stayed. Our area has more needs than a stadium. But you know, if our disfunctional county and state politicians want to waste money sure give us a stadium
@@theCranesUS There a real problem in your statement when you’re comparing soccer to Baseball, Hockey, Basketball, and Football in America! Hell Golf is more popular than Soccer, here in the US that is!
@@yoursodumn remember folks, investment into a large venue that brings in tourism and generates millions of dollars a year is bad, but not when a Government wastes even more money on bus lines that don't bring any financial benefit to anyone but the loser class
To be fair, the Vikings provide the whole state with SO much revenue, local business will reap the benefits for years. Restaurants, sporting goods, etc. The Super Bowl alone brings a city avg of 1.2 B
@@Joe-dy1qvthe agreement is public record in full. The state recoups their costs by keeping 53 wealthy athletes in their area paying state income tax on their salary in the stadium (so 106 players at a cap of 240 mil divided by 2 as only half their games are in NYS)
@@zerotothe0ne Where is the public record that states the stadium will be paid back? Raccuia who works for Pegula Sports stated this, but it's only an assertion (per NY times). The state is also on the hook for 100 mil maintenance and 180 mil in improvements.
As an upstate NY native and Bills fan, having no roof is definitely part of the culture, as odd as it may sound. Away teams coming to Highmark stadium to play in the elements has always been a factor. Bills have a quote they say “when it’s too tough for them, it’s just right for us”
They have not had many playoff games since the 90's where that has even been a factor. And when they are not a playoff team, the stadium is 3/4 full late in the season. It's not a factor!
@@thomas77597 It’s BS you all think differently. How the Playoff game at home last year end up? It made not a bit of a factor. As a matter of fact. The Bills FG kicker was affected by it!
Kind of fun that the couple worth nearly 8 Billion dollars, demanded tax payers pay for the 1 billion dollar stadium or they'd move. Thats how you increase fan loyalty!
Yea I mean thats just how it works. The precedent has been set many times over now. Not the owners' fault that state & local governments all over the country started shelling out huge money to build new stadiums. If Buffalo didn't do it some other city would have
Buffalo isn't the only team in the NFL that uses public funds. Hence why the county owns the stadium not the team. Only team to not use public money for a stadium is the Rams and that's it outta what like 30 stadiums in the NFL.
They want to scam the surrounding counties with sales tax to help give welfare to billionaires to help support the sports/gambling industry. It's gross. I hope the clowns move onto some other city. The current stadium isn't even that old. It's ridiculous.
As a NYS resident this stadium pisses me off so much, just watching this video was hard!! GD billionaire owner makes the "WHOLE" state pay for his Buffalo stadium. Unreal we are on the hook for something only used 8 times a football season!!! I hate this WELFARE for billionaires while the rest of us struggle with simple medical bills. Than k you Kathy Hocul for your idiotic decision and making non football fans pay for this!!!!
We went through this in Atlanta with the new stadium. The best thing they did was lower the price of the refreshments. I used to pay over $100 to buy snacks for my kids at the old stadium. Last time we went, I bought a drink and snack for everyone and it was less than $40. They were tired of the fans eating at all the other places in the area and not spending at the stadium.
Delaware North is out (good riddance), so hopefully that helps! The new contract for concessions (Legends Hospitality) hopefully is better. Honestly it won't take much to be better. Go Bills
us buffalonians are known for smuggling food into the stadium. I've seen people make home made pasta and bring it in ziploc bags and run to the concession places just to grab plastic forks. Halftime comes around and they're munching away. there's an unspoken understanding with the stadium faculty that they just look the other way. most of them are blue collar like 95+% the fans and kind of give a nod of approval. Me - I'm good with a snack bar or bag of nuts or something similar if I need it so it's never been that much of an expense when I go. If I'm drinking I get all that done at pre-game tailgates and don't pay whatever exorbitant prices for beer inside. Didn't know people were dropping $100's - crazy. It's possible to go 4 hours without eating.
My favorite part is you have to buy into a "membership" or something like it, so that you can be given access to buy tickets. I guess if that's what you're into.
@@Megamax-ms9xu It's because it doesn't make any economic sense and the government is corrupt and incompetent--well its only competency is mega corruption. People just keep going along with this stuff. It boggles my mind.
When taxpayers pay for a stadium it should be a loan and not a gift. A large percentage of the profits should return to aid New Yorks pathetic excuse for an education system and infrastructure
New York spends more to educate a child than any state in the country ($30,300) and the US spends the second most per capita on education of any country in the world. If New York State’s education is in shambles, it’s not due to funding.
Technically the team rents the stadium from the tax payers. For something like $10,000/year. And the Bill's owners get 100% of all concessions sales for any event hosted there. Complete corruption. Stop watching sports.
IT IS A LOAN. Against the potential tax revenue NYS gets from the athletes across the 30 year lifespan. We can even calculate that tax revenue because we have a NFL salary cap
Why should the taxpayers even loan money to billionaires to support their hobbies. It's utterly disgusting. If it makes economic sense to build a stadium, then they can easily get private investment.
Then those SD fans can send tge Chargers money. The taxpayers as a whole do not have to. You want to send the Chargers $15,000? Well write them a check.
@kurtwicklund8901 well maybe u should run for office buddy. Cause the governor was the one who decided to pay for the stadium cause she thought her husband's company was gonna do the the food in the stadium so why don't y'all go to her house and let her know how to spend ur tax payer dollars.
Yes, us San Diegans did want the Chargers to stay.. but not at the cost of more taxes, just to help a greedy owner. Pound sand with that cry me a river for rich people b.s. Charger games were mostly away team fans anyway.
Each team should have to fund their own stadium builds with their own money. No tax dollars. And no team should be allowed to have a new stadium until the year after they win a Superbowl.
@@paulo123- Because I am right. You can't claim to be a private enterprise and beg for tax money that not everyone even wants to pay. Either you pay for it yourself you don't get to have it. It's called accountability. A concept that is clearly foreign to you.
Seems to me that the cost of putting a roof on the stadium would have been offset by all the other events they could have hosted during the winter. No roof in Buffalo is pretty shocking.
@slumped378 That's a false narrative. The Carrier Dome in Syracuse receives more than twice the amount of snow than Buffalo, and it's been standing since 1980. The reason they're not building a dome is strictly due to the added cost.
I just prefer games that have to deal with the elements sometimes. Plus we know how some teams try to really use it as an advantage or even a theme like a buffalo, or the old vikings, or even how the chiefs did miami this year. I ain't trynna see shit looking all cozy all the time especially late season... it's football. Something always nice about a snowy christmas game too
10,000 less seats an insane. Guess whos gonna eat that cost? Yep your upper level nose bleeds are now gonna require you to take a second mortgage on your house.
@SharpStudios0 yep that's spitting on about 10,000 fans by the pegulas.. what a greedy nfl owner. From this new stadium forward these greedy bastards Should have to build them with they're own money..
No offense, but as a resident of Austin, we would rather have an expansion team of our own. Transplant teams usually only bring half the fan base. Austin is too laid back for rabid fans. We still haven't paid off our billion dollar toll way that very few use. The Bills are steeped in tradition and hopefully will return to the Super Bowl. Good luck with hochul.
Of all the gripes I have with this, the biggest one is the lowered capacity by TEN THOUSAND seats. I'm trying to go to as many games as possible these next two seasons because I assume I will never be able to afford a ticket, let alone find an available one, in the new stadium
It's because they didn't sell out every game and have averaged around 8k too few seats filled over the past decade. Can't be having a new stadium with a ton of seats and then getting blackouts.
@@eats4cheaps305 Where did you hear this? Average attendance for games has been 70k+ the past few seasons. I've never had an empty seat next to me at the Ralph unless it was a seriously inclement weather game, and even then the stadium is packed.
You're not alone. 40-year STH here. Finally got pricing info from the non-transparent, slimy Bills ticket office couple days ago. To keep my seats, it will cost me $8,000 for 4 PSLs, so $32,000 upfront, just to have the "right" to then pay about double for tickets in this new stadium as we are in current stadium. But this is "Built for Buffalo"!
@@eats4cheaps305 Once again, so why not go to a bank? It's what they are there for, right? Why are they going to the government and asking for taxpayer money? Borrowing $900 mil to some banks is pocket change. Especially when someone is worth over $6 billion.
All we -- as 40-year Bills season ticket holders -- have to do to keep 4 seats in this new stadium is give the team $8,000 PSLs ($32,000 for 4 seats) to be granted the privilege of being locked into a 30-year contract to begin paying 2X as much every year for tickets as we are now. And all this PSL money is owner Terry Pegula's "contribution" to the new stadium after being given $850 million from NY State. F*** Terry Pegula, Buffalo Bills, and NFL.
It's a free country and if you don't like your deal then there are ten (maybe a hundred) in line behind you that will take your seats. As a fan who saw his first geme at War Memorial ("the Rock Pile) I am happy that I will still have the Buffalo bills as my team for my lifetime. With the way NY state wastes money (I grew up there and stayed there through college) at least I know what I got for the NY state money and the leadership of the county and city are no better. So, I don't feel the way you do. That being said I don't think I would be a season ticket hollder TODAY with no blackouts and a big screen TV at home to watch games on. BTW, I paid $275 in 1993 to see their last Super Bowl from the end zone upper deck in Atlanta and I would do it again if they ever get back. You don't like the terms of your seats no one is holding a gun to your head to buy tickets. And, there are still people bitching about no dome even as estimated costs balloon to over $2.0 Billion - so all you Pegula Haters he is on the hook for all the over runs should make you happy.
@deborahmargolis841 if it's a free country then why do the majority of us that will never step foot in the new stadium or even care that we have an NFL team have to pay for a stadium that will make rich men richer, Especially since my property taxes keep going up every year! Guarenteed if the state had a vote on whether taxpayers should fund the stadium that vote would not have passed!
Hey, multi-billionaires. Stop holding your teams hostage, threatening relocation if taxpayers don't fund your new toybox. You're a multi-BILLIONAIRE. YOU pay for the stadium and/or get your billionaire buds to help pay in exchange for whatever.
@@eats4cheaps305 If that were true, then teams should have no problem getting loans from banks and paying them back. Especially teams that are worth over $6 billion. But for some reason they go to the taxpayers. Wonder why.
@@Megamax-ms9xu Beacause we taxpayers have a vested interest in having a world class stadium to host various events and draw people and businesses to the city. Buffalo is a sports town.
3 things 1. The promise of money coming back to the city for these new stadiums never happens. 2. If these sports teams want new stadiums, let the owners, players, and fans combine money for new one as they would benefit. 3. Current governor hochuls husband owns the concession company going into the new stadium
I don't understand why they are making a stadium with lower capacity. Every game the past few seasons has been like $200-$300 per ticket and with the new venue and lower capacity that won't come down anytime soon.
I love how we always use the “renovations will cost 2/3 or 75% of a brand new stadium and only be good for 10-15 more years so we might as well build new.” See you in that same 10-15 years when the owners say this new stadium needs renovations. It never stops. Enough is enough you can own a NFL you can pay for your own damn stadium owners. Kroenke paid nearly $7B for SoFi, relocation and the lawsuit. Clearly every other owner can for their own workplaces for 1/3 or even half that.
Some Billionaires don't want to use a loan to pay back the cost of their stadium and own the stadium outright. The reason the Raiders moved is not because of free money, but the city willing to front cash that the Billionaire did not want to front. The city, state, county, etc all get their money back over the term of the lease.
@@eats4cheaps305 Sigh. So why don't they get a bank to front the cash? It's what banks do. They only need about $900 mil in this case. The owner is worth over $6 billion. The idea is the same. Get a loan. Pay it back. Only it's from a bank instead of the government/taxpayers. There's obviously more to it than what you are suggesting. They must be making out better with taxpayer money vs. bank money otherwise you wouldn't have to threaten to move your team.
Forgot some additional points of controversy in your video. They will be instituting a Personal Seat License system (a la the rest of the NFL) which means that in order to remain a season ticket holder fans will have to purchase an $8000(!) license that allows them to then continue to purchase their now even more expensive season tickets. There will also be more box seats in the new stadium which is part of the reason for fewer total seats in the stadium. Buffalo as a city is an all-American blue collar town and the Buffalo Bills are pricing their own fans out of attending the games. So not only is the entirety of NY state paying half the bill, but most people living in the same county as the stadium won't be able to afford to go to the games.
I don’t understand how they could build a stadium that has 10,000 less capacity than the older stadium ? You’ve gotta be kidding me ! I mean, if you’re going to do something, you might as well do it right.
Informative video. If I may, try to refrain from raising your voice at the end of sentences. This is sometimes called Upspeak or rising inflection. I just listened to some of the video again and it's actually being done in the middle of sentences as well. It's something that's easy to fix with practice since you are recording the audio(as opposed to speaking in front of a room full of people live). Just a suggestion. Good luck. I subscribed.
@@EZ-df1cm My wife works from home quite often and she does it from time to time in certain circumstances while talking too. I mention it to her but it's so difficult to correct in real time lol
Can you give more insight into what upspeak may be bad? I feel like most people outside those that are in a speech field likely never pick up on this or see it as something to fix.
@@zero0n3 Speech like music, it must have rhythm. Flat speech is dull and monotone, something often parodied in movies featuring a classroom teacher boring the students to death. A well spoken sentence will have an upward inflection at the comma points, then the closing words should be downward at the full stop. Reasoning is the pre-comma words are always leading into the pause (and continuation) of the sentence, and the full stop (Period) is a stop. Try reading this out loud with appropriate inflections. Once you get it, you can't unhear it whenever you hear bad narration.
The money gets paid back over the terms of the lease agreement. Three city, county, and state are going to actually walk away with a bit more money in their pocket. It'll just take 30 years.
The no roof still boggles my mind. No super bowls, no college bowls, can’t be used for any other events in the winter. Concerts, monster truck / motor cross, conventions etc. I know the cost would have ballooned even more but knowing that over $400 million is coming from casino money how bad of a deal is this to taxpayers? Just goes to show you how much revenue 9 home games brings to the region in taxes and money to local businesses.
I wonder how a roof would support the weight. They annual get over 150 inches of snow a year in a 4 month span. And most of that amount comes from about 5 major snowfalls.
@@wendull811 they have roofs in Minnesota, Detroit and Toronto (not for football but still have a domed stadium for years. With technology now, they can put a roof on anywhere.
@seen48 I still wonder how that roof would support that weight. I'm sure than can but the real question is would it be worth it? Edit: I thought the roof collapsed in Minnesota due to the weight of the snow.
"I'm a billionaire and I feel that the taxpayer should give me all that tax money simply because I don't want taxpayers to have it. I'm a Capitalist, you see ... "
@@eats4cheaps305 It does not. The Pegula's own the stadium outright and the $850M is not a loan, it is a "grant" that basically adds directly to their net worth. The NFL is so popular you can somehow get away with depriving the working class and middle class of their own tax $$$ to enrich a billionaire with money that could've paid for public hospitals, improvements/expansion of schools, public infrastructure, community colleges, etc. Not a bad business model, actually... if your business model is SOCIALISM!!!
I"m a poor voter. I complain about billionaires getting free stadiums but I keep voting the politicians who support free stadiums for billionaires in office. I do that a lot. I complain but don't vote or hold my dummy politicians accountable. I just like to complain.
Honestly, they really picked the perfect time for this since the Bills have been good the past little while and their value is through the roof atm. The only thing that's weird is they spent so much money just to stick with the Orchard Park location.
Metro area of Buffalo is a lot larger than 78th in the US especially when you considered the numerous surrounding cities (Southern Ontartio, Toronto, Rochester, etc.) that also support the team.
Buffalo's CSA is 48th in the country (over 1.2 million). Toronto and Rochester are definitely not considered to be inside BUFs CSA. Typically a CSA is the largest region covering a city. I'm not saying that fans around the greater region aren't coming to BUF to watch the games.
@@overbanked Not only do they come for Bills and Sabers games. They do their shopping and travel out of Buffalo International AirPort. So, to say it not the region is far from what residents of Buffalo see everyday. It’s all the same region.
@@overbanked They come everyday. The Buffalo drivers license are enhance to travel in and out of Southern Ontario daily. It’s bigger than they say. Count Ft Erie, St Catherine’s, Chrystal Beach, Niagara Falls Ontario. All of those places people come into and out of Buffalo daily.
isn't it kind of odd that most of the dome teams are southern/western teams where weather conditions are not really a factor (Arizona, LA, Las Vegas, Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, New Orleans) while most of the northern/northeastern/northwestern teams have stadiums open to the elements? - Minnesota and Detroit (and Indy, kinda) being the obvious exceptions to the latter
I live right down the street from the stadium. I wonder if that canopy that hangs over the top of the stadium is going to handle all the snow we get here. Lately, the last couple of years, we have been having huge wallop storms where we get 4, 5, or 6 feet of snow in one storm, that’s pretty heavy right there
I probably dont understand how all of this stuff in USA works, but youre telling me he can pay half of the money for the stadium with tax money and at the end he owns all of it?????
Americans have this weird knack of subjugating themselves to prop up the rich. Bailouts, tax breaks, all this socialism talk is to benefit the rich not the people.
They don't technically own it, they rent it from the tax payers for a ridiculously small amount of money. And they get all of the mo ey from concessions for any event held there (concerts, etc). It's a ridiculously corrupt practice of the rich helping the rich and screwing the average taxpayer. I stopped watching sports lo g ago because of it. It's too bad so many Americans are obsessed with sports- it allows this to continue. And this was the country that started a revolution over being taxed on tea......
Nope. He paid for half, will pay the other money back by the end of the lease. And then will have to renegotiate the lease after the first lease period. This will likely result in either a buy-out to own the stadium outright or they'll reach another agreement to build a new stadium.
@@eats4cheaps305 This can also be done through a bank. There is no need to involve government or taxpayers. Seriously dude, you keep repeating this same nonsense but can't explain how someone worth over $6 billion can't get a loan from a bank for $1.7 billion and will be making money every year with it. That makes no sense. They can also go to the NFL for money if need be. If a new stadium will benefit the team and Buffalo, it will also benefit the NFL. Win-win for both. But you seem hell bent on involving taxpayer money to pay for this with no guarantee that the taxpayer will benefit from it in the end. So many studies have said as much.
Not arguing the point but do realize how much is spent on other industries either by tax breaks or by-outs? This is nothing new and has been happening for hundreds of years.
@@davidcostantino1838 I do but the owners of the Bills are billionaires. Once the stadium is built they to will own it outright it will be their asset even though 850 million in public resources are being spent on it. Yes, sales tax and other money will be generated by the Bills but how long will it take for the money to be regenerated by the state. Furthermore, the owners basically threatened to moved the team! That's terrible to even suggest that considering the Bills are treasured by the fans in Buffalo! The league is generating huge money off TV and they should be financing these huge stadiums with owners. I know that since the Rams left St Louis local bars and business haven't recovered but most of the stadiums that are sold to be great for local residents but need public funding never really meet the lofty projections the owners sell the people. Oh, and then there's only a truly small segment of the public can actually afford to go to an NFL games in the big fancy Stadiums. 850 million could have given a lot of teachers as raises among other things. I am glad the Bills and their fans are getting a new Stadium but the owners threatening to move the team if they don't get public money is shameless and every NFL billionaire owner does it and it's wrong after fans have been loyal for years! I think tax payers had to pay way to much on this stadium. Again, good for the fans and I am glad the Bills are staying in Buffalo, but it's a high cost to the state and Erie County.
@@eats4cheaps305 The problem with your statement is the fact that many times taxes are used to fund these things and taxes are either created or raised to do it as well. But when the money is supposedly paid back according to you, the taxpayers don't get their money back. Ever. Also, whatever taxes are created or raised, continue on forever and end up being used for other things. Screwing the taxpayer in the end even more.
And not just have one city pass a law. There should be nationwide laws banning the subsidizing of major professional sports franchises in both Canada and the United States. Maybe in Mexico as well. Otherwise team owners will always threaten to move to another city that is willing to subsidize a pro sports team. Even requiring a referendum first would be effective. Just like with cities thinking of putting money into a bid for the Olympics if a city is thinking of subsidizing a professional sports franchise voters will virtually always vote no in a referendum. Politicians want to use taxpayers money to fund a team so they can get their picture taken cutting a ribbon but taxpayers don't think it's worth it.
I'm a pats fan from PA! My brother and I typically go the pats game in buffalo every year and it's always a great time! Went when we threw the ball 4 times and won, and was at the playoff game (My first playoff game ever,) a few weeks later where we got THRASHED... and dude I WANT the uncovered and open air environment. It was so cold and snowy, and I LOVE THAT! I will never forget that, even in a loss, I had an amazing time in the cold! (And honestly, as long as you're nice and chill, buffalo fans are nearly always super nice back.) We're both excited to watch a game in this new stadium! Being said, I really did hate the tax situation. I don't believe a state/city should ever fork over any money for a sports team, especially when these owners are worth billions generally. (Exceptions should remain, and maybe they should fork some, but never more than like... 25%?)
@@zo62 im in the bay area and our Bart bay area rapid transit is suffering financially. Theyre going to run out of the covid funding they got back in 2021. Now theyre looking for more funding from the city and losing ridership pre covid. Bart is dying and i dont know where theyll get their money from.
@@SecretAsian84 all transit systems don’t make money on their own. Even if you privatize them they will lose money there meant for the betterment of the city not financially independent
Why would anyone put a $2B NFL stadium nowhere near any hotels, shops, entertainment, bars/restaurants?? Bills games are the best before and during but are the absolute worst after. It’s mind boggling that it’s being built in the middle of a residential neighborhood again. Absolutely braindead 🤦♂️
A night, snow football game is one of the most valuable and unique tv products in the world. Us NFL fans rather enjoy bad weather football games. They're more fun.
It's really the last sport that has any connection to gladiators or warriors in the field. Taking part in the elements where you have to plan ahead for heat, rain, wind or snow which changes strategies. It makes each game unique with a built-in story before kickoff.
I live in the greater Phoenix area, and I meet an incredibly large number of Buffalo Bills fans. It appears to me that if so many people from the Buffalo area have moved away, then why don't the Bills move to a region with a greater population?
I tried to talk to several state lawmakers in my area, Elmira NY about the Property tax to fund the stadium owned by a Billionaire who lives in Boca Raton Florida. No one wanted to talk about it before the vote. It was voted on quietly in March 2023. I lived in Philly when Governor Ed Rendell used School Debt Bonds to fund 4 stadiums, one baseball and one football each in Philly and Pittsburgh. I could not understand how school debts could be used to fund private sports stadiums for teams with wealthy individual owners. But the Bills Stadium will cost almost 3x the cost of those pennsylvania stadiums. Here we are June 2025 and honeowners in New York will just start getting tax bills to biy a stadium for a Billionaire from Boca.
@@eats4cheaps305 Doesn't explain why they don't just get the money from a bank then and not threaten the state with moving the team. Seems logical doesn't it? You're assuming that they will be in the black. No evidence of that. Never is. Study after study has proven that. Big promises and people like you believing the talk, but in the end the benefit is negligible at best. Oh and I'll guarantee you that taxpayers won't get any money back even if they do make money. The problem with governments isn't revenue, it's spending. If they do make money off this, they will just find ways to waste it and then hit taxpayers with other fees or taxes because they don't have enough money.
Yep, sound terrible. Yet, how many of the New York residents complaining will actually get off their collective fat asses and vote out the politicians responsible? No one will. That is why these taxpayer stadiums keep getting built. No one holds the politicians accountable.
@@TH17992 I'm in lower bowl sideline and my PSL for new stadium will be $8,000 for each seat ($32,000 for 4 seats) plus the actual season tickets will be close to double (nearly $300 per ticket) what I'm paying now (about $155/ticket) F**king ridiculous. F Bills and Pegula. We're out after 40 years.
Every state with a major sports franchise does this... not a single pro sports team that built a stadium in the last thirty years did so with purely private money. Had NY rejected the Pegulas, not only would they have moved the bills out of state, but Austin (or a bidding war with some other city/state) would've offered EVEN more $$$ to relocate (would've needed to buy contiguous land and build highways too). It is what it is, and any governer not doing this would lose more votes in the next election when an opponent runs against them with "they drove away our beloved sports team of 75 years!".
@@dnasty312they had several options, #1 being the old Perry projects area next to the casino downtown. It would've cost an extra billion to build it outside of the current stadium area supposedly.
Im a big football fan. I like The Bills. But this makes me fn sick. 1.7 billion is rediculous. Especially when public funding is involved. There should be a lot of shame coming from the people involved with this. Man what has our world become. Smh 😔
There is no room within the city for a stadium. Nor can the city handle the flow of traffic that the game brings. Even OP struggles with traffic control when there is a home game. Parking is sprawled out all over the place for a mile. I stay completely away from that area when there is a home game. Traffic is a nightmare.
@@BlobRob787 , yes they are my reply was to the person saying they should have built in DT or the outer harbor. No way that can happen, there is no room , the traffic, city streets could not handle it. They’re narrow, a bunch of one ways with. Street parking. It would have been absolute gridlock.
Minnesota had a dome collapse from SNOW. Syracuse Universities Dome is 50 years old and has had close to collapse issues and will need to be replaced with something better.
I'm a longtime NFL fan from the UK. My understanding of the situation is that the new stadium will actually be owned by NY State, with the Bills owners simply leasing it from them (for 30 years, with an option to buy it after 15 years).
As a Cheesehead, I gotta say, every Bills fan should boycott this waste of money by not attending any home games this season. Make the owners either add a roof or flip the full cost of the stadium. Don't give them another $ until they do.
It will sell out the first season. Bills fans are not going to boycott their own team. I went to a snow game in Buffalo a few years back. It was wonderful. Snow everywhere. I loved it.
I guess the forgot they have horrible weather during the winter. It completely sucks to see and play this game in the snow. Why wouldn’t this stadium have a roof ?? Unreal
Even with a roof, it would be a high risk to schedule a Super Bowl with the severity of the conditions up here in the winter. Possibility of a two foot snow fall a few days before the game would cause major logistic problems for all vested interest.
Fans and the team didn't want a roof on the stadium. Part of the Bills culture is playing in the snow, so many legendary snow games over the years. It's like a 1/3rd roof. Most of the snow will go down onto the field instead of the stands, which is what you want, because the field is a lot easier to clear off than all the seats are. We saw that this year with the Bills vs Steelers playoff game that had to get postponed 24 hours due to a lake effect blizzard that dumped like 4-5ft of snow down onto the stadium. So they get to keep the outdoor stadium experience, but it'll be way easier to deal with inclimate weather. They'll still get snow games, fans will be more comfortable without having to sit in a foot of snow on their seats, pretty much a win-win. Idk me personally I just think a covered stadium would've been antithetical to the Buffalo Bills. It's pretty much part of their identity given it's Buffalo NY and them getting 1 foot of snow is like anywhere else getting a light rain. They're just used to it up there. The only downside I can see is if they aren't eligible to host a super bowl because of it. They have hosted a super bowl at Metlife down in Jersey/NYC before, as recently as like 10 years ago. Though even if it was a domed stadium, I don't think the NFL would choose it anyway because they'd much rather host a super bowl in a large market, with a big city and preferably warmer weather.
Ya idiot a roof would be an extra 25 million. The only teams that have roofs or domes are those that host other events like concerts. Bills can’t cuz they don’t have the infrastructure or hotels 🏨
@@eats4cheaps305 Yea sure it does. Why not go to a bank then? Why can't a guy worth over $6 billion come up with an extra $900 mil? Why does the team have to threaten the city with moving if it's such a great deal? Why do studies say the same thing, that the costs outweigh the benefits? Why don't taxpayers ever actually get their money back? They don't end up getting tax breaks after 10 or 20 years. Any taxes created or raised or used for stuff like this just end up being continued indefinitely.
And? Billionaires should always have to fund the construction of their own stadium. Just another case of socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else. Exactly how most of these billionaires amassed such wealth on the backs of others. Taxpayers will never profit from it's use so why should anyone else fund it?
Syracuse has had a dome for the last 44 years with no issues, and they receive way more snow than Buffalo. It was another billion they didn't want to pay.
hey guys acrross the street from the stadium there is 1 gas station, 1 smoke shop, 1 tim hortons, 1 dollar general, a few beat down houses for sale and some bars. Great area to invest in!
As an Erie County taxpayer, I think this stadium is a total waste of money. The 1.7 billion dollars it will cost to build will be used 8-10 times yearly. If I am going to have my hard-earned money for a stadium, I want it to be usable year-round.
I saw the Grateful Dead a few times at Rich Stadium but thankfully that wasn't in the winter. If I was a local taxpayer I'd be upset also. Cheers from Ontario.
Even if we wanted to retain the "Winter Buffalo Bills" advantage, leave the retractable roof open during football season and close it afterward. I believe we have the technology to make that happen,
The risk of collapse from snow is to great to try putting a roof over the stadium in a snow belt city like Buffalo NY . They get record snow fall off the great lakes ,and if the lakes don't freeze over it snows even more.
@@nonenone1534 didn’t the Meteodome cave in because of snow? And yes I’m aware in 2024 they would build a better engineered roof. Just saying it has happened.
On top of the $850 million extortion, Pegula is paying "his share" of the stadium by further extorting long-time season ticket holders. I was just told ticket prices for my lower bowl seats will be close to 100% increase, but I'll first have to give Pegula and the Bills $8,000 PSL ransom ($32,000 for 4 seats) to be granted the privilege of paying nearly double each years for the actual tickets. We're done after 40 years. Pegula and Bills only cares bout affluent members of Bills Mafia. Rest are not welcome.
Who did you vote for in the last election? Could it have been a politician that supported taxpayer funded stadiums? People complain, yet the seldom if ever vote these politician out.
@@BlobRob787 I live in a smaller town next to a larger city that lost a professional sports franchise in recent years. Never had the opportunity to vote for, or against, any politicians in that city.
No Roof
Only 62k seats
No Superbowl
Taxpayers (Statewide) are on the hook for 50% of the cost.
Wow, just wow
Is that worth a billion?
So much revenue will be generated from the community around the stadium. Long term it’s a great move but not everyone can see long term
Taxpayers are on the hook for lots of things like student debt forgiveness and illegal migrant health care thanks to Democrat crooks, that run New York state.
Serves New York City right. That overpopulated island makes my sales tax high and takes away from this vast state. The least they can do is help pay for the stadium.
Buffalo doesn't have enough hotel rooms to host a Super Bowl
Love how this is being compared to the Tottenham Hotspurs stadium, which was completely funded by the club through a combination of their own money and financing. No taxpayers money.
I think it's being compared with its design not how it was financed.
Where’s the financing coming from? Computers?
@@poluticonpoint being all NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA teams should fund the majority if not all their stadium cost. Most MLS teams pay more than half of their stadium costs.
I've been going to Bills games since 1967, I was 6. Going to the Rock pile and Rich Stadiums. I'm going to 1 more game in my life, the new Highmark Stadium. Truthfully I could have cared less if they stayed. Our area has more needs than a stadium. But you know, if our disfunctional county and state politicians want to waste money sure give us a stadium
@@theCranesUS There a real problem in your statement when you’re comparing soccer to Baseball, Hockey, Basketball, and Football in America! Hell Golf is more popular than Soccer, here in the US that is!
We went through this in Minnesota a few years ago. Nothing like old fashioned extortion. We should always help the rich. It's the american way.
Why are people acting like literally every new stadium isn't mostly taxpayer funded?
@@yoursodumn remember folks, investment into a large venue that brings in tourism and generates millions of dollars a year is bad, but not when a Government wastes even more money on bus lines that don't bring any financial benefit to anyone but the loser class
Considering most NFL owners are jewish, its no surprise they extort the public for their expenses.
The state makes more money than they spend... because it all gets paid back over the terms of the lease.
To be fair, the Vikings provide the whole state with SO much revenue, local business will reap the benefits for years. Restaurants, sporting goods, etc. The Super Bowl alone brings a city avg of 1.2 B
So tired of tax payers paying for these stadiums.
They don't. They loan the money and it gets paid back over the terms of the lease.
@@eats4cheaps305then they should full disclose the details of the contract since taxpayers paid for it. Would you agree?
@@Joe-dy1qvthe agreement is public record in full.
The state recoups their costs by keeping 53 wealthy athletes in their area paying state income tax on their salary in the stadium (so 106 players at a cap of 240 mil divided by 2 as only half their games are in NYS)
@@zerotothe0ne Where is the public record that states the stadium will be paid back? Raccuia who works for Pegula Sports stated this, but it's only an assertion (per NY times). The state is also on the hook for 100 mil maintenance and 180 mil in improvements.
Taxpayers and fans have a choice but they won't give up the "high" from this sports "drug"...NFL...
As an upstate NY native and Bills fan, having no roof is definitely part of the culture, as odd as it may sound. Away teams coming to Highmark stadium to play in the elements has always been a factor. Bills have a quote they say “when it’s too tough for them, it’s just right for us”
What makes you think that the Bills will be there forever to play playoff games? They may have to go elsewhere to play.
They have not had many playoff games since the 90's where that has even been a factor. And when they are not a playoff team, the stadium is 3/4 full late in the season. It's not a factor!
@@markgolden6265this a pure BS.
@@thomas77597 It’s BS you all think differently. How the Playoff game at home last year end up? It made not a bit of a factor. As a matter of fact. The Bills FG kicker was affected by it!
They don't have the requirements to host a Super Bowl anyway. Not enough amenities.
Kind of fun that the couple worth nearly 8 Billion dollars, demanded tax payers pay for the 1 billion dollar stadium or they'd move. Thats how you increase fan loyalty!
When the Bills finally win the Super Bowl you’ll probably name your kid Terry
Yea I mean thats just how it works. The precedent has been set many times over now. Not the owners' fault that state & local governments all over the country started shelling out huge money to build new stadiums. If Buffalo didn't do it some other city would have
The new stadium will generate so much revenue to the community and many locals will get to enjoy an amazing stadium
If the owners pay for the full stadium then they shouldn’t have to pay any taxes on revenue generated from it
@@Cg41633they can set the ticket prices to whatever they want so that shouldn’t matter
Stupidity that knows no bounds, total and ridiculous waste. Don't worry Buffalo, Cleveland's new stadium deal will make your deal look much better.
How is it stupid
Cleveland gets a new one ?
Buffalo isn't the only team in the NFL that uses public funds. Hence why the county owns the stadium not the team. Only team to not use public money for a stadium is the Rams and that's it outta what like 30 stadiums in the NFL.
What’s Cleveland’s new stadium deal?? Their stadium isn’t that old, is it??
They want to scam the surrounding counties with sales tax to help give welfare to billionaires to help support the sports/gambling industry. It's gross. I hope the clowns move onto some other city. The current stadium isn't even that old. It's ridiculous.
As a NYS resident this stadium pisses me off so much, just watching this video was hard!! GD billionaire owner makes the "WHOLE" state pay for his Buffalo stadium. Unreal we are on the hook for something only used 8 times a football season!!! I hate this WELFARE for billionaires while the rest of us struggle with simple medical bills. Than k you Kathy Hocul for your idiotic decision and making non football fans pay for this!!!!
Move away then
Welcome to the wonderful world of MAGA.
@@harrycooper5231 yeah ok!! Pretty sure this got started in the Biden era fool
@@bricknmotor LMAO, someone who looks up intellectually to the moron Trump calling someone else a "fool." The irony. 🤣
@@bricknmotor Remember when Trump suggested injecting household disinfectants as a cure for covid. That was AWESOME!
We went through this in Atlanta with the new stadium. The best thing they did was lower the price of the refreshments. I used to pay over $100 to buy snacks for my kids at the old stadium. Last time we went, I bought a drink and snack for everyone and it was less than $40. They were tired of the fans eating at all the other places in the area and not spending at the stadium.
Delaware North is out (good riddance), so hopefully that helps! The new contract for concessions (Legends Hospitality) hopefully is better. Honestly it won't take much to be better. Go Bills
Wow who would have thought people don’t want to be scammed out of their money, and actually used their brains to find a better alternative
Arthur Blank wanted the lowest price for concessions
us buffalonians are known for smuggling food into the stadium. I've seen people make home made pasta and bring it in ziploc bags and run to the concession places just to grab plastic forks. Halftime comes around and they're munching away. there's an unspoken understanding with the stadium faculty that they just look the other way. most of them are blue collar like 95+% the fans and kind of give a nod of approval. Me - I'm good with a snack bar or bag of nuts or something similar if I need it so it's never been that much of an expense when I go. If I'm drinking I get all that done at pre-game tailgates and don't pay whatever exorbitant prices for beer inside. Didn't know people were dropping $100's - crazy. It's possible to go 4 hours without eating.
Wait till the fans find out how much tickets will be and there’s less capacity. They’ll have to take out a second mortgage.
And they will because the BILLS MAFIA are stupid enough to do it.
I'll still pay for it
My favorite part is you have to buy into a "membership" or something like it, so that you can be given access to buy tickets. I guess if that's what you're into.
They will relocate if you don't pay for it
@@Abdi-libaax see ya.
It’s like Walmart asking tax payers to pay for a new and bigger store🤬get a loan from the bank like everyone else!
They got a loan. It's just from the state of NY instead of a bank.
@@eats4cheaps305 If it's that simple, then why didn't the Bills get a loan from a bank, pay the entire bill and pay the bank back?
Walmart is a better investment
@@Megamax-ms9xu It's because it doesn't make any economic sense and the government is corrupt and incompetent--well its only competency is mega corruption. People just keep going along with this stuff. It boggles my mind.
When taxpayers pay for a stadium it should be a loan and not a gift. A large percentage of the profits should return to aid New Yorks pathetic excuse for an education system and infrastructure
New York spends more to educate a child than any state in the country ($30,300) and the US spends the second most per capita on education of any country in the world. If New York State’s education is in shambles, it’s not due to funding.
@@SeiyaSoiya-un4jjlots of wasted spending
Technically the team rents the stadium from the tax payers. For something like $10,000/year. And the Bill's owners get 100% of all concessions sales for any event hosted there. Complete corruption. Stop watching sports.
IT IS A LOAN. Against the potential tax revenue NYS gets from the athletes across the 30 year lifespan. We can even calculate that tax revenue because we have a NFL salary cap
Why should the taxpayers even loan money to billionaires to support their hobbies. It's utterly disgusting. If it makes economic sense to build a stadium, then they can easily get private investment.
Glad San Diego told the Chargers to pound sand.
Yeah not many San Diegans feel that way. I know tons of Charger fans they would have loved chargers to stay
Then those SD fans can send tge Chargers money. The taxpayers as a whole do not have to. You want to send the Chargers $15,000? Well write them a check.
I’m not
@kurtwicklund8901 well maybe u should run for office buddy. Cause the governor was the one who decided to pay for the stadium cause she thought her husband's company was gonna do the the food in the stadium so why don't y'all go to her house and let her know how to spend ur tax payer dollars.
Yes, us San Diegans did want the Chargers to stay.. but not at the cost of more taxes, just to help a greedy owner.
Pound sand with that cry me a river for rich people b.s. Charger games were mostly away team fans anyway.
Each team should have to fund their own stadium builds with their own money. No tax dollars. And no team should be allowed to have a new stadium until the year after they win a Superbowl.
The lease agreements they use makes it so the teams pay back all that money.
How about we let each community make the decision rather than you being a dictator
Awful take
@@eats4cheaps305 They never ever pay it all back. Its an endless cycle.
@@paulo123- Because I am right. You can't claim to be a private enterprise and beg for tax money that not everyone even wants to pay. Either you pay for it yourself you don't get to have it. It's called accountability. A concept that is clearly foreign to you.
Seems to me that the cost of putting a roof on the stadium would have been offset by all the other events they could have hosted during the winter. No roof in Buffalo is pretty shocking.
It snows too much in Buffalo. The roof would be a risk with all the weight from the snow.
@slumped378 That's a false narrative. The Carrier Dome in Syracuse receives more than twice the amount of snow than Buffalo, and it's been standing since 1980. The reason they're not building a dome is strictly due to the added cost.
I just prefer games that have to deal with the elements sometimes. Plus we know how some teams try to really use it as an advantage or even a theme like a buffalo, or the old vikings, or even how the chiefs did miami this year. I ain't trynna see shit looking all cozy all the time especially late season... it's football. Something always nice about a snowy christmas game too
@@nicholasdunn7258 but that means the stadium cannot be used for concerts or other events during winter ...
@@slumped378 the snow would be a risk.....because the roofs of all other buildings in Buffalo that have the same snow are all collapsing?
10,000 less seats an insane. Guess whos gonna eat that cost? Yep your upper level nose bleeds are now gonna require you to take a second mortgage on your house.
@SharpStudios0 yep that's spitting on about 10,000 fans by the pegulas.. what a greedy nfl owner. From this new stadium forward these greedy bastards
Should have to build them with they're own money..
No offense, but as a resident of Austin, we would rather have an expansion team of our own. Transplant teams usually only bring half the fan base. Austin is too laid back for rabid fans. We still haven't paid off our billion dollar toll way that very few use. The Bills are steeped in tradition and hopefully will return to the Super Bowl. Good luck with hochul.
Austin is the new L.A. East. Transplant city, laid back.
they weren't coming that was just a leverage tactic
A tradition of missing and losing super bowls time after time 😂
San Antonio will get one before Austin, y'all a soccer city
@@Barbariandisks that and cfb. San Antonio is the most sensible place for any sort of relocation or expansion, but Jerry will never allow it.
4:35 they're the Bills, and their mascot is a Bison... Remember this when they try to say we used to be smarter back in the day. LMFFFAAAOOO
Of all the gripes I have with this, the biggest one is the lowered capacity by TEN THOUSAND seats. I'm trying to go to as many games as possible these next two seasons because I assume I will never be able to afford a ticket, let alone find an available one, in the new stadium
Stop supporting this corruption by ignoring the game. It's the only way to fight back.
It's because they didn't sell out every game and have averaged around 8k too few seats filled over the past decade. Can't be having a new stadium with a ton of seats and then getting blackouts.
@@eats4cheaps305 Where did you hear this? Average attendance for games has been 70k+ the past few seasons. I've never had an empty seat next to me at the Ralph unless it was a seriously inclement weather game, and even then the stadium is packed.
10k seats but total capacity will be just as high with standing room only areas and suites
You're not alone. 40-year STH here. Finally got pricing info from the non-transparent, slimy Bills ticket office couple days ago. To keep my seats, it will cost me $8,000 for 4 PSLs, so $32,000 upfront, just to have the "right" to then pay about double for tickets in this new stadium as we are in current stadium. But this is "Built for Buffalo"!
That's absurd. The city isn't going to get even $100 million in benefits from it. So wild
Another taxpayer funded project for the tax exempt NFL
That should make tons of money off our funding
The NFL is tax-exempt because the 32 individual teams owned by the 32 billionaire owners are the taxed entities.
The money gets paid back over the term of the lease
@@eats4cheaps305 Once again, so why not go to a bank? It's what they are there for, right? Why are they going to the government and asking for taxpayer money? Borrowing $900 mil to some banks is pocket change. Especially when someone is worth over $6 billion.
Almost $2B and no roof?!?
They did a survey. No roof.
They don’t want a roof
They really should have a roof anyways
Why the fuck would you want a roof?
Too much snow load bro… it’s Buffalo NY not Miami 💀
All we -- as 40-year Bills season ticket holders -- have to do to keep 4 seats in this new stadium is give the team $8,000 PSLs ($32,000 for 4 seats) to be granted the privilege of being locked into a 30-year contract to begin paying 2X as much every year for tickets as we are now. And all this PSL money is owner Terry Pegula's "contribution" to the new stadium after being given $850 million from NY State. F*** Terry Pegula, Buffalo Bills, and NFL.
Couldn't agree more. That's why they didn't have a referendum because it wouldn't have passed!
It's a free country and if you don't like your deal then there are ten (maybe a hundred) in line behind you that will take your seats. As a fan who saw his first geme at War Memorial ("the Rock Pile) I am happy that I will still have the Buffalo bills as my team for my lifetime. With the way NY state wastes money (I grew up there and stayed there through college) at least I know what I got for the NY state money and the leadership of the county and city are no better. So, I don't feel the way you do. That being said I don't think I would be a season ticket hollder TODAY with no blackouts and a big screen TV at home to watch games on. BTW, I paid $275 in 1993 to see their last Super Bowl from the end zone upper deck in Atlanta and I would do it again if they ever get back. You don't like the terms of your seats no one is holding a gun to your head to buy tickets. And, there are still people bitching about no dome even as estimated costs balloon to over $2.0 Billion - so all you Pegula Haters he is on the hook for all the over runs should make you happy.
@deborahmargolis841 if it's a free country then why do the majority of us that will never step foot in the new stadium or even care that we have an NFL team have to pay for a stadium that will make rich men richer, Especially since my property taxes keep going up every year! Guarenteed if the state had a vote on whether taxpayers should fund the stadium that vote would not have passed!
this was an awesome video, great work!
Hey, multi-billionaires. Stop holding your teams hostage, threatening relocation if taxpayers don't fund your new toybox. You're a multi-BILLIONAIRE. YOU pay for the stadium and/or get your billionaire buds to help pay in exchange for whatever.
Federal laws should be passed to stop this Corporate Extortion of local taxpayers. But we know why it is not happening.
THE MONEY GETS PAID BACK OVER THE TERMS OF THE LEASE.
Billionaires use their wealth and power to leverage greater earnings. That’s how the world works.
@@eats4cheaps305 If that were true, then teams should have no problem getting loans from banks and paying them back. Especially teams that are worth over $6 billion. But for some reason they go to the taxpayers. Wonder why.
@@Megamax-ms9xu Beacause we taxpayers have a vested interest in having a world class stadium to host various events and draw people and businesses to the city. Buffalo is a sports town.
10k less seats is absolutely insane, especially being that they sell out the stadium all the time... Ticket prices going up 📈
That snow sure has guaranteed Super Bowl wins..
The snow and/or wind helped get the Bills to the Super Bowl in 1991 and 1993. Possibly even 1990 where they didnt need the weathers help.
Dude said guaranteed super bowl wins for the Bills. Only if you’re the Patriots. 😂
No SB will ever occur there WITHOUT a roof. Specially in February and when it is -10 below. Not smart.
@@carlossaenz7485 No Super Bowl will happen there WITH a roof
@@RichV20 No it did not. They lost in the 60's with home a home Championship game. They still lost to the
Chargers from sunny San Diago
3 things
1. The promise of money coming back to the city for these new stadiums never happens.
2. If these sports teams want new stadiums, let the owners, players, and fans combine money for new one as they would benefit.
3. Current governor hochuls husband owns the concession company going into the new stadium
Well made video, lots of potential for this channel…
I don't understand why they are making a stadium with lower capacity. Every game the past few seasons has been like $200-$300 per ticket and with the new venue and lower capacity that won't come down anytime soon.
I love how we always use the “renovations will cost 2/3 or 75% of a brand new stadium and only be good for 10-15 more years so we might as well build new.” See you in that same 10-15 years when the owners say this new stadium needs renovations. It never stops. Enough is enough you can own a NFL you can pay for your own damn stadium owners. Kroenke paid nearly $7B for SoFi, relocation and the lawsuit. Clearly every other owner can for their own workplaces for 1/3 or even half that.
Some Billionaires don't want to use a loan to pay back the cost of their stadium and own the stadium outright. The reason the Raiders moved is not because of free money, but the city willing to front cash that the Billionaire did not want to front. The city, state, county, etc all get their money back over the term of the lease.
@@eats4cheaps305 Sigh. So why don't they get a bank to front the cash? It's what banks do. They only need about $900 mil in this case. The owner is worth over $6 billion. The idea is the same. Get a loan. Pay it back. Only it's from a bank instead of the government/taxpayers. There's obviously more to it than what you are suggesting. They must be making out better with taxpayer money vs. bank money otherwise you wouldn't have to threaten to move your team.
Forgot some additional points of controversy in your video. They will be instituting a Personal Seat License system (a la the rest of the NFL) which means that in order to remain a season ticket holder fans will have to purchase an $8000(!) license that allows them to then continue to purchase their now even more expensive season tickets. There will also be more box seats in the new stadium which is part of the reason for fewer total seats in the stadium.
Buffalo as a city is an all-American blue collar town and the Buffalo Bills are pricing their own fans out of attending the games. So not only is the entirety of NY state paying half the bill, but most people living in the same county as the stadium won't be able to afford to go to the games.
When this stadium built . I hope they would host an outdoor game for the Buffalo Sabres .
why? The Sabres need to make the playoffs before they host another game.
Is it engineered so a roof could be added later?
I don’t understand how they could build a stadium that has 10,000 less capacity than the older stadium ?
You’ve gotta be kidding me ! I mean, if you’re going to do something, you might as well do it right.
and at one time the capacity at the old stadium was about 80,000
There was an issue for many years of the stadium not selling out. The average was about 8k short or so.
You have more suites with the TV deal the stadium capacity is irrelevant in 2024...you just need those suites at capacity...
Simple: our population took a huge hit in the 80s and 90s. We still sell 72k but barely. Reducing seats allows us to not get blacked out.
@@douglasroethlin3839no it wasn't.
Can’t wait, respect to the NY Bills for staying true to their weather elements.
Not sure why they aren't installing a retractable roof. Pretty short sighted.
No, it is not! The cold weather is an advantage. Especially when teams from from the south play in December and January.
@@BlobRob787 But you got your ass handed to you a few years ago in that playoff game vs. Cincy.
Informative video. If I may, try to refrain from raising your voice at the end of sentences. This is sometimes called Upspeak or rising inflection. I just listened to some of the video again and it's actually being done in the middle of sentences as well. It's something that's easy to fix with practice since you are recording the audio(as opposed to speaking in front of a room full of people live). Just a suggestion. Good luck. I subscribed.
Thank you it drives me nuts. Usually the worst offenders are young female narrators. Just saying.
@@EZ-df1cm My wife works from home quite often and she does it from time to time in certain circumstances while talking too. I mention it to her but it's so difficult to correct in real time lol
@@Stationary76 If you recorded it and played it back for her, I'm sure that would have an effect. (hopefully a good one)
Can you give more insight into what upspeak may be bad? I feel like most people outside those that are in a speech field likely never pick up on this or see it as something to fix.
@@zero0n3 Speech like music, it must have rhythm. Flat speech is dull and monotone, something often parodied in movies featuring a classroom teacher boring the students to death. A well spoken sentence will have an upward inflection at the comma points, then the closing words should be downward at the full stop. Reasoning is the pre-comma words are always leading into the pause (and continuation) of the sentence, and the full stop (Period) is a stop. Try reading this out loud with appropriate inflections. Once you get it, you can't unhear it whenever you hear bad narration.
Congress needs to step in and stop the NFL from bleeding these cities for every last penny. At least put it on a referendum so we can vote on it.
They are too busy giving all our money to foreign countries and lining their own pockets
The money gets paid back over the terms of the lease agreement. Three city, county, and state are going to actually walk away with a bit more money in their pocket. It'll just take 30 years.
The no roof still boggles my mind. No super bowls, no college bowls, can’t be used for any other events in the winter. Concerts, monster truck / motor cross, conventions etc. I know the cost would have ballooned even more but knowing that over $400 million is coming from casino money how bad of a deal is this to taxpayers? Just goes to show you how much revenue 9 home games brings to the region in taxes and money to local businesses.
$800 million is still coming from tax payers. No way they make that back.
I wonder how a roof would support the weight. They annual get over 150 inches of snow a year in a 4 month span. And most of that amount comes from about 5 major snowfalls.
@@wendull811 they have roofs in Minnesota, Detroit and Toronto (not for football but still have a domed stadium for years. With technology now, they can put a roof on anywhere.
@seen48 I still wonder how that roof would support that weight. I'm sure than can but the real question is would it be worth it?
Edit: I thought the roof collapsed in Minnesota due to the weight of the snow.
My guy
A Super Bowl wasn’t coming to Buffalo no matter what
"I'm a billionaire and I feel that the taxpayer should give me all that tax money simply because I don't want taxpayers to have it. I'm a Capitalist, you see ... "
The money gets paid back over the term of the lease.
@@eats4cheaps305 It does not. The Pegula's own the stadium outright and the $850M is not a loan, it is a "grant" that basically adds directly to their net worth. The NFL is so popular you can somehow get away with depriving the working class and middle class of their own tax $$$ to enrich a billionaire with money that could've paid for public hospitals, improvements/expansion of schools, public infrastructure, community colleges, etc. Not a bad business model, actually... if your business model is SOCIALISM!!!
I"m a poor voter. I complain about billionaires getting free stadiums but I keep voting the politicians who support free stadiums for billionaires in office. I do that a lot. I complain but don't vote or hold my dummy politicians accountable. I just like to complain.
Honestly, they really picked the perfect time for this since the Bills have been good the past little while and their value is through the roof atm. The only thing that's weird is they spent so much money just to stick with the Orchard Park location.
Metro area of Buffalo is a lot larger than 78th in the US especially when you considered the numerous surrounding cities (Southern Ontartio, Toronto, Rochester, etc.) that also support the team.
It's huge, they always say that and growing up there we get CTV and they get the Buffalo stations.
Buffalo's CSA is 48th in the country (over 1.2 million). Toronto and Rochester are definitely not considered to be inside BUFs CSA. Typically a CSA is the largest region covering a city. I'm not saying that fans around the greater region aren't coming to BUF to watch the games.
@@overbanked Not only do they come for Bills and Sabers games. They do their shopping and travel out of Buffalo International AirPort. So, to say it not the region is far from what residents of Buffalo see everyday. It’s all the same region.
@@overbanked They come everyday. The Buffalo drivers license are enhance to travel in and out of Southern Ontario daily. It’s bigger than they say. Count Ft Erie, St Catherine’s, Chrystal Beach, Niagara Falls Ontario. All of those places people come into and out of Buffalo daily.
I’ve got lots of pals in the Jamestown/Chatauqua region 90 minutes south by car who go to every home game. They’re also in the Buffalo tv market.
QUESTION..witb a stadium that big , you cant see the game. Stay home and watch it on tv
Did they put on the ballot for the citizens to vote on paying for this?
No. wouldn't even consider it.
It's a loan, not a payout.
@@eats4cheaps305 So, the city is taking out a loan in which the taxpayers will ultimately payback.
@@Jacen777 State of New York is funding parts of it from casino revenue.
If they put it on the ballot it would have lost. Not everyone in Buffalo is a sports nut
isn't it kind of odd that most of the dome teams are southern/western teams where weather conditions are not really a factor (Arizona, LA, Las Vegas, Dallas, Atlanta, Houston, New Orleans) while most of the northern/northeastern/northwestern teams have stadiums open to the elements?
- Minnesota and Detroit (and Indy, kinda) being the obvious exceptions to the latter
It doesn't seem fair for the non-football citizens to have to pay extra taxes. Why not just tax or increase ticket prices on the football goers?
I live right down the street from the stadium. I wonder if that canopy that hangs over the top of the stadium is going to handle all the snow we get here. Lately, the last couple of years, we have been having huge wallop storms where we get 4, 5, or 6 feet of snow in one storm, that’s pretty heavy right there
I probably dont understand how all of this stuff in USA works, but youre telling me he can pay half of the money for the stadium with tax money and at the end he owns all of it?????
Americans have this weird knack of subjugating themselves to prop up the rich. Bailouts, tax breaks, all this socialism talk is to benefit the rich not the people.
They don't technically own it, they rent it from the tax payers for a ridiculously small amount of money. And they get all of the mo ey from concessions for any event held there (concerts, etc). It's a ridiculously corrupt practice of the rich helping the rich and screwing the average taxpayer. I stopped watching sports lo g ago because of it. It's too bad so many Americans are obsessed with sports- it allows this to continue. And this was the country that started a revolution over being taxed on tea......
Yep. It is called a scam. Steal from the rubes. The men children who have nothing else in their lives.
Nope. He paid for half, will pay the other money back by the end of the lease. And then will have to renegotiate the lease after the first lease period. This will likely result in either a buy-out to own the stadium outright or they'll reach another agreement to build a new stadium.
@@eats4cheaps305 This can also be done through a bank. There is no need to involve government or taxpayers. Seriously dude, you keep repeating this same nonsense but can't explain how someone worth over $6 billion can't get a loan from a bank for $1.7 billion and will be making money every year with it. That makes no sense. They can also go to the NFL for money if need be. If a new stadium will benefit the team and Buffalo, it will also benefit the NFL. Win-win for both. But you seem hell bent on involving taxpayer money to pay for this with no guarantee that the taxpayer will benefit from it in the end. So many studies have said as much.
$1.7 B and no roof??? Crazy.
The league makes billions and tax payers should not pay a dime!
Not arguing the point but do realize how much is spent on other industries either by tax breaks or by-outs? This is nothing new and has been happening for hundreds of years.
@@davidcostantino1838 I do but the owners of the Bills are billionaires. Once the stadium is built they to will own it outright it will be their asset even though 850 million in public resources are being spent on it. Yes, sales tax and other money will be generated by the Bills but how long will it take for the money to be regenerated by the state. Furthermore, the owners basically threatened to moved the team! That's terrible to even suggest that considering the Bills are treasured by the fans in Buffalo! The league is generating huge money off TV and they should be financing these huge stadiums with owners. I know that since the Rams left St Louis local bars and business haven't recovered but most of the stadiums that are sold to be great for local residents but need public funding never really meet the lofty projections the owners sell the people. Oh, and then there's only a truly small segment of the public can actually afford to go to an NFL games in the big fancy Stadiums. 850 million could have given a lot of teachers as raises among other things. I am glad the Bills and their fans are getting a new Stadium but the owners threatening to move the team if they don't get public money is shameless and every NFL billionaire owner does it and it's wrong after fans have been loyal for years! I think tax payers had to pay way to much on this stadium. Again, good for the fans and I am glad the Bills are staying in Buffalo, but it's a high cost to the state and Erie County.
@@davidcostantino1838 football games are not industries which provide thousand good paying ,iddle class jobs!
And goodell makes 63 mil a year, money well spent
I don't feel bad if that includes New York City. That overpopulated island takes from the rest of the state so serves them right.
No roof? One would think that the players and fans of Buffalo deserve an enclosed stadium
We need to pass laws that zero tax dollars or tax breaks can be used on sports teams stadiums.
Can't. It's a business decision and the money gets paid back over the terms of the lease. It's an exchange.
@@eats4cheaps305 The problem with your statement is the fact that many times taxes are used to fund these things and taxes are either created or raised to do it as well. But when the money is supposedly paid back according to you, the taxpayers don't get their money back. Ever. Also, whatever taxes are created or raised, continue on forever and end up being used for other things. Screwing the taxpayer in the end even more.
And not just have one city pass a law.
There should be nationwide laws banning the subsidizing of major professional sports franchises in both Canada and the United States.
Maybe in Mexico as well.
Otherwise team owners will always threaten to move to another city that is willing to subsidize a pro sports team.
Even requiring a referendum first would be effective.
Just like with cities thinking of putting money into a bid for the Olympics if a city is thinking of subsidizing a professional sports franchise
voters will virtually always vote no in a referendum.
Politicians want to use taxpayers money to fund a team so they can get their picture taken cutting a ribbon but taxpayers don't think it's worth it.
@@geofflepper3207 I agree but the trouble is that the "lawmakers" are bought and paid for. After all this is New York.
No fan (at a game) EVER said I wish we had a new stadium.
tax payer money, no roof and less capacity than the current one? wow thats bad.
I'm a pats fan from PA! My brother and I typically go the pats game in buffalo every year and it's always a great time! Went when we threw the ball 4 times and won, and was at the playoff game (My first playoff game ever,) a few weeks later where we got THRASHED... and dude I WANT the uncovered and open air environment. It was so cold and snowy, and I LOVE THAT! I will never forget that, even in a loss, I had an amazing time in the cold! (And honestly, as long as you're nice and chill, buffalo fans are nearly always super nice back.)
We're both excited to watch a game in this new stadium!
Being said, I really did hate the tax situation. I don't believe a state/city should ever fork over any money for a sports team, especially when these owners are worth billions generally. (Exceptions should remain, and maybe they should fork some, but never more than like... 25%?)
Funny they have money for this but not subway expansions
NFL is king man. Subways have to suffer.
@@SecretAsian84 without subways no money no nfl
@@zo62 im in the bay area and our Bart bay area rapid transit is suffering financially. Theyre going to run out of the covid funding they got back in 2021. Now theyre looking for more funding from the city and losing ridership pre covid. Bart is dying and i dont know where theyll get their money from.
@@SecretAsian84 all transit systems don’t make money on their own. Even if you privatize them they will lose money there meant for the betterment of the city not financially independent
@@zo62 it’s a public service. It doesn’t have to make money.
Why would anyone put a $2B NFL stadium nowhere near any hotels, shops, entertainment, bars/restaurants?? Bills games are the best before and during but are the absolute worst after. It’s mind boggling that it’s being built in the middle of a residential neighborhood again. Absolutely braindead 🤦♂️
A night, snow football game is one of the most valuable and unique tv products in the world. Us NFL fans rather enjoy bad weather football games. They're more fun.
For real and there's snow. Win-win for me
It's really the last sport that has any connection to gladiators or warriors in the field. Taking part in the elements where you have to plan ahead for heat, rain, wind or snow which changes strategies. It makes each game unique with a built-in story before kickoff.
@daviddigital6887 Yeah but nobody really wants to watch that
@@Kings0424 Speak for youself
@@markgolden6265 Whatever oldhead 😒😒😒. Artificial turf is way better
No roof is absolutely ridiculous
As a former resident of Buffalo, this story makes me very happy to say
that I’m a former resident of Buffalo 😊
Me too! And I will never go back because I found peace!
Yea y'all not missed
@@joseyzadoria7815 it’s called demographics…yo 😉
@@bricknmotor Keep paying your taxes, the sheep depend on you!
I live in the greater Phoenix area, and I meet an incredibly large number of Buffalo Bills fans. It appears to me that if so many people from the Buffalo area have moved away, then why don't the Bills move to a region with a greater population?
Ralph Wilson Stadium in Orchard Park, New York isn't getting any newer 🏟️🏈
My property taxes are!
I tried to talk to several state lawmakers in my area, Elmira NY about the Property tax to fund the stadium owned by a Billionaire who lives in Boca Raton Florida. No one wanted to talk about it before the vote. It was voted on quietly in March 2023. I lived in Philly when Governor Ed Rendell used School Debt Bonds to fund 4 stadiums, one baseball and one football each in Philly and Pittsburgh. I could not understand how school debts could be used to fund private sports stadiums for teams with wealthy individual owners. But the Bills Stadium will cost almost 3x the cost of those pennsylvania stadiums. Here we are June 2025 and honeowners in New York will just start getting tax bills to biy a stadium for a Billionaire from Boca.
The money gets paid back over the term of the lease and that will be seen as black in the books every year for those politicians.
@@eats4cheaps305 Doesn't explain why they don't just get the money from a bank then and not threaten the state with moving the team. Seems logical doesn't it? You're assuming that they will be in the black. No evidence of that. Never is. Study after study has proven that. Big promises and people like you believing the talk, but in the end the benefit is negligible at best. Oh and I'll guarantee you that taxpayers won't get any money back even if they do make money. The problem with governments isn't revenue, it's spending. If they do make money off this, they will just find ways to waste it and then hit taxpayers with other fees or taxes because they don't have enough money.
Yep, sound terrible. Yet, how many of the New York residents complaining will actually get off their collective fat asses and vote out the politicians responsible? No one will. That is why these taxpayer stadiums keep getting built. No one holds the politicians accountable.
Once this is done. I would like my free ticket since my tax money goes to pay for this place.
Curious as to how the Bills Mafia is feeling about the personal seat license costs.
They are all stupid and could care less.
B.s. they are pissed
They haven’t given majority of fans the cost of license yet. Club level licenses are the only numbers that were made public.
@@TH17992 I'm in lower bowl sideline and my PSL for new stadium will be $8,000 for each seat ($32,000 for 4 seats) plus the actual season tickets will be close to double (nearly $300 per ticket) what I'm paying now (about $155/ticket) F**king ridiculous. F Bills and Pegula. We're out after 40 years.
40 year STH. Told PSLs will be $8k per seat and actual tickets nearly 100% more. We're done.
At their latitude and at that cost it really needs to be enclosed.
NY could have fixed the George Washington Bridge traffic problem for 1.5 billion but why spend tax dollars on something useful? Our government sucks
It's a loan that they end up getting more than they put in. That's why
@@eats4cheaps305 No they won't. It's been studied and proven that in the end, stadiums don't benefit the public.
Every state with a major sports franchise does this... not a single pro sports team that built a stadium in the last thirty years did so with purely private money. Had NY rejected the Pegulas, not only would they have moved the bills out of state, but Austin (or a bidding war with some other city/state) would've offered EVEN more $$$ to relocate (would've needed to buy contiguous land and build highways too). It is what it is, and any governer not doing this would lose more votes in the next election when an opponent runs against them with "they drove away our beloved sports team of 75 years!".
@@Joe-ij6ofI though So-Fi was completely private.
@@donaldjgumpofficial5754 shhhh they don't like when facts don't support their narratives
The bigger controversy (not mentioned) is the stadium being located in Orchard Park instead of in the city.
Where in the city would you put it? Somewhere like War Memorial at Jefferson and Best?
@@dnasty312they had several options, #1 being the old Perry projects area next to the casino downtown. It would've cost an extra billion to build it outside of the current stadium area supposedly.
They looked for a place in the city for over a year.
Im a big football fan. I like The Bills. But this makes me fn sick. 1.7 billion is rediculous. Especially when public funding is involved. There should be a lot of shame coming from the people involved with this. Man what has our world become. Smh 😔
stadium should be a dome on the outer harbor or downtown - like Detroit or Indianapolis - no hotels in OP
They looked for a spot for over a year. Couldn't find a viable one
There is no room within the city for a stadium. Nor can the city handle the flow of traffic that the game brings. Even OP struggles with traffic control when there is a home game. Parking is sprawled out all over the place for a mile. I stay completely away from that area when there is a home game. Traffic is a nightmare.
Only baseball fans want a dome in Buffalo. The footballs fans know that domes are girly.
@@Wyldbutterfly028 Yes, all NFL games are popular and have traffic issues. It is smart you stay home.
@@BlobRob787 , yes they are my reply was to the person saying they should have built in DT or the outer harbor. No way that can happen, there is no room , the traffic, city streets could not handle it. They’re narrow, a bunch of one ways with. Street parking. It would have been absolute gridlock.
People think all this snow and ran hitting the inside of the stadium doesnt cause weather damage over time? This is a huge waste of money.
Minnesota had a dome collapse from SNOW. Syracuse Universities Dome is 50 years old and has had close to collapse issues and will need to be replaced with something better.
I'm a longtime NFL fan from the UK. My understanding of the situation is that the new stadium will actually be owned by NY State, with the Bills owners simply leasing it from them (for 30 years, with an option to buy it after 15 years).
Every new stadium has had the right to hold the next SB after its completed. Are they not going to do the same here.
Because every new stadium has met the NFL requirements for hosting… except this one
The area can't support a Superbowl. Even with a dome it wouldn't get the Superbowl. People are dumb. They don't understand.
No way should tax payer money be used for this!
As a Cheesehead, I gotta say, every Bills fan should boycott this waste of money by not attending any home games this season. Make the owners either add a roof or flip the full cost of the stadium. Don't give them another $ until they do.
It will sell out the first season. Bills fans are not going to boycott their own team. I went to a snow game in Buffalo a few years back. It was wonderful. Snow everywhere. I loved it.
I guess the forgot they have horrible weather during the winter. It completely sucks to see and play this game in the snow. Why wouldn’t this stadium have a roof ?? Unreal
Even with a roof, it would be a high risk to schedule a Super Bowl with the severity of the conditions up here in the winter. Possibility of a two foot snow fall a few days before the game would cause major logistic problems for all vested interest.
2 Super Bowls in Minneapolis, 2 in Detroit area, 1 in Indianapolis, 1 in New York City area. No, it would be fine.
That’s why you build the transit system coming into the stadium.
@@steveralston8837lol😂
@steveralston8837 none of those cities mentioned get lake effect blizzards like Buffalo does. It's a whole different level there.
The region literally doesn’t have enough hotel rooms to host the Super Bowl or Final Four. Would be a nonstarter.
I hate it when pro sports teams holds cities hostage.
It's not that THEY hold them hostage ,it's the IDIOTS who LET THEM HOLD them hostage 😂
1.7 BILLION and STILL NO RETRACTING ROOF 😒
Fans and the team didn't want a roof on the stadium. Part of the Bills culture is playing in the snow, so many legendary snow games over the years. It's like a 1/3rd roof. Most of the snow will go down onto the field instead of the stands, which is what you want, because the field is a lot easier to clear off than all the seats are. We saw that this year with the Bills vs Steelers playoff game that had to get postponed 24 hours due to a lake effect blizzard that dumped like 4-5ft of snow down onto the stadium. So they get to keep the outdoor stadium experience, but it'll be way easier to deal with inclimate weather. They'll still get snow games, fans will be more comfortable without having to sit in a foot of snow on their seats, pretty much a win-win.
Idk me personally I just think a covered stadium would've been antithetical to the Buffalo Bills. It's pretty much part of their identity given it's Buffalo NY and them getting 1 foot of snow is like anywhere else getting a light rain. They're just used to it up there. The only downside I can see is if they aren't eligible to host a super bowl because of it. They have hosted a super bowl at Metlife down in Jersey/NYC before, as recently as like 10 years ago. Though even if it was a domed stadium, I don't think the NFL would choose it anyway because they'd much rather host a super bowl in a large market, with a big city and preferably warmer weather.
At least we have the sacrifice pit
Ya idiot a roof would be an extra 25 million. The only teams that have roofs or domes are those that host other events like concerts. Bills can’t cuz they don’t have the infrastructure or hotels 🏨
A retractable roof will double the cost, so 3.4 billion.
@@retrocny5625could still have that with retractable roof and be able to host other world class events.
$1.7 billion for an outdoor stadium, in Buffalo with only 62k seats!!?!???! Is this a joke???????
No dome is ridiculous to spend this kind of taxpayer money!
It’s ridiculous that taxpayers are involved in the construction or maintenance for buildings where sportsball takes place.
Serves New York City right
The money gets paid back over the term of the lease agreement.
@@eats4cheaps305 Yea sure it does. Why not go to a bank then? Why can't a guy worth over $6 billion come up with an extra $900 mil? Why does the team have to threaten the city with moving if it's such a great deal? Why do studies say the same thing, that the costs outweigh the benefits? Why don't taxpayers ever actually get their money back? They don't end up getting tax breaks after 10 or 20 years. Any taxes created or raised or used for stuff like this just end up being continued indefinitely.
@@eats4cheaps305 Yeah? I’ve never received a check.
MetLife stadium (Giants Stadium) doesn't have a roof and it's in cold weather territory and they hosted a Super Bowl (Denver vs. Seattle).
Buffalo cannot support a Super Bowl primarily due to a lack of hotels to house the impact a SB would bring on the local area.
Well even then they’re still missing out on concert revenue and other indoor events, no roof is a bad idea
@@rapid9534😀 Let's give Lambeau a roof too, eh? 😒
Like Jacksonville that one year 🛥
@@rapid9534they've never had a roof. A mass survey involving Bills fans showed that a vast majority of fans did not want a roof.
@@dnasty312 why would they put a roof on an already historic stadium?💀
The party deck is shown in the WKBW video you showed from 6/4.
The state of NY did not agree to it. Hochul did because her family will make millions on the deal. Stop watching the NFL!!!!!!
Neh!!!
I'd bet dollars to donuts The Bills had their thumb on the scale for that engineering report.
People don’t understand lake effect snow and how much a full roof that wouldn’t collapse under its weight would cost to construct.
They could’ve made it work so that’s BS.
And? Billionaires should always have to fund the construction of their own stadium. Just another case of socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else. Exactly how most of these billionaires amassed such wealth on the backs of others. Taxpayers will never profit from it's use so why should anyone else fund it?
@@vans1788 Yes yes yes! This right here.
Syracuse has had a dome for the last 44 years with no issues, and they receive way more snow than Buffalo. It was another billion they didn't want to pay.
@@dante6563 billionaires are just the true freeloaders of society but use their influence to spread trickle down propaganda.
This was a very good video. Great job.
7:05 The New Stadium is not an asset the Pegulas will own outright or at all. It's owned by the State of New York and maintained by Erie County.
owned by the state of New York and maintained by Erie County. I think you mean payed for and maintained by taxpayers!
Why is it not going to be a closed dome or a movable roof?
She probably wanted the congestion toll money to fund the stadium.😂
hey guys acrross the street from the stadium there is 1 gas station, 1 smoke shop, 1 tim hortons, 1 dollar general, a few beat down houses for sale and some bars. Great area to invest in!
Why are taxpayers footing the bill for a professional nfl team?
Because pro sports team owners make the threat of moving to another city, and the taxpayers are too spineless to tell him to shove it.
Because they bring an economic boost to the city through games and concerts
Because the politicians no most fans actually want it. Also they politicians never get votes out, so they are never help accountable. Go figure.
This is awesome! You betcha!
The owners of Buffalo should pay the full costs and not taxpayers. This team needs a dome!
They will end up paying the full cost, they pay it all back over the terms of the lease.
As an Erie County taxpayer, I think this stadium is a total waste of money. The 1.7 billion dollars it will cost to build will be used 8-10 times yearly. If I am going to have my hard-earned money for a stadium, I want it to be usable year-round.
I saw the Grateful Dead a few times at Rich Stadium but thankfully that wasn't in the winter. If I was a local taxpayer I'd be upset also. Cheers from Ontario.
Even if we wanted to retain the "Winter Buffalo Bills" advantage, leave the retractable roof open during football season and close it afterward. I believe we have the technology to make that happen,
The risk of collapse from snow is to great to try putting a roof over the stadium in a snow belt city like Buffalo NY . They get record snow fall off the great lakes ,and if the lakes don't freeze over it snows even more.
Then why does Syracuse have a dome in an area that receives much more snow, 3 hours away? It was a billion more to build a dome. The only reason.
Snow isn’t going to cave in a dome - come on
Dumb take
@@nonenone1534 didn’t the Meteodome cave in because of snow? And yes I’m aware in 2024 they would build a better engineered roof. Just saying it has happened.
@@steveoshei1819 Bills Stadium location is in the snow belt which gets more snow than Syracuse.
I am done with professional sports franchise owners extorting the city with threats of leaving if their financial demands are not met.
On top of the $850 million extortion, Pegula is paying "his share" of the stadium by further extorting long-time season ticket holders. I was just told ticket prices for my lower bowl seats will be close to 100% increase, but I'll first have to give Pegula and the Bills $8,000 PSL ransom ($32,000 for 4 seats) to be granted the privilege of paying nearly double each years for the actual tickets. We're done after 40 years. Pegula and Bills only cares bout affluent members of Bills Mafia. Rest are not welcome.
Who did you vote for in the last election? Could it have been a politician that supported taxpayer funded stadiums? People complain, yet the seldom if ever vote these politician out.
@@BlobRob787 I live in a smaller town next to a larger city that lost a professional sports franchise in recent years. Never had the opportunity to vote for, or against, any politicians in that city.