Same. For my work, I need a somewhat decent gaming laptop but the lack of upgradeability was what stopped me from purchasing another (I stuck with desktop PCs), after my college laptop grew old quite fast. Having the chance to upgrade the GPU is fantastic news.
Definitely would have got a framework if the 16 was out. Probably will be my next one for me and my wife. Although the 13 with the 7840 would be awesome. The onboard graphics is like a 1650
I agree. If I have the money and Framework is available in my country, I'll definitely buy it as my laptop. The idea that I can upgrade my laptop and reuse the old one is irresistable
@@deansmits006 not upgrading. My old laptop died and I was getting sick and tired of our loosing war to own our devices and have the right to repair them and wanted the company to grow and not die off so I bought the framework instead of repairing my old 2013 laptop to support their efforts.
@@LynneCooney finally my intel laptop lasts about 4 hours on video playback on high brightness. my amd g14 last about 7 hours. can't wait for the amd laptop.
Being able to re-use the mainboard and battery in a case is absolutely brilliant as not only they help reduce e-waste. It also helps sell more user removable modules for framework. Will definitely be picking up a framework 16 as need those numkeys - finally a user serviceable laptop to replace my ancient 17inch HP 4730s!
That mainboard enclosure actually made me think that I could upgrade my Framework and use the old stuff as a build server / NAS thing... (But then I realized I have no reason the upgrade, so it's all good.)
I dont think so.. if you have your outdated laptop you can sell it.. or give it to someone as whole thing.. in this case you have kinda.. something weird without screen and battery.. Im not sure who want it at home in time then whole laptop can be bought for 800.. and you as 'upgrader' got old case and screen.. so.. no so much 'win-win' ..
@@maksimmuruev423 perhaps you don’t have a use for it, but plenty of people already have home theater PCs, which an old framework mobo would be ideal for. I personally plan to use my old board as a home development server, firewall, NAS, etc. There’s use cases, and the framework community has a ton of people that would have those needs. I could stand to have 3 or 4 mobos in tiny cases. Build the smallest server rack possible with reasonably high end hardware, and extremely power efficient.
I really hope they go forward with the battery case. If they do the next time I need a battery pack I'll just upgrade the one in my laptop and use the old one for a pack. As is I don't have enough of a reason to upgrade my battery, but if I get a new battery bank out of it?
I leafed through the repair and upgrade components, and the fact they offer refurbished and new products, and that they are all very modular. It's a mod and repair paradise! Just the fact that if your mobo burns out you can get not only a direct replacement mainboard, but upgrade to a higher spec series CPU, or even a newer version is incredible. Even get louder speakers if wanted!
If they offered a all refurbished DIY edition I'd be tempted to go for it, that said I think I'm going to save for a AMD DIY edition anyway cause it sounds perfect
This is the first laptop in a long time i am excited for. My wife has a first generation framework and loves it. I have never had a laptop so easily to upgrade and modify and change. My aging old heavy beastly laptop is at its end. I will be preordering framework as soon as it available. This could be that laptop for me, portability and functionality of a latpop with customization and upgradability for a desktop. So, so excited. When we preordered a first gen framework, was a bit nervous but framework has been amazing. An American company that does laptops right. Who knew?
There still aren't standard sizes for motherboards, CPU/GPU sockets, and other connectors across laptops, BUT what framework is doing is far and away what is within their ability, and still beyond anything I expected from them, especially with the input cover and rear expansion bay. Those features will hopefully further increase sales and framework's positive perception (battery life and slight firmware issues aside), leading to these features being widely implemented throughout other laptops as well. This would ensure the positive changes framework is making to laptops extend to other laptops as well, especially as they make open-source all of the CAD and electrical designs for these modules as well, even before the product is available for pre-orders! That is all amazing, and HUGE kudos to framework, and best of luck to them in their future endeavors.
This company ticks literally every box I could possibly think of or ask for. I adore seeing this company grow in the spite of Apple et al's practices of soldering everything together and making everything disposable in the process. Its such a beautiful thing to see.
This is all really cool. May not be perfect, but there are so many interesting, forward-thinking ideas here. Thank you for doing such a nice job covering this, Gordon and the PC World team!
@Silver Joystix partially, the 13 inch is the real deal and has been upgradable for 3 years now. Ofcourse you should be sceptical, but they've delivered above and beyond what was promised 3 years ago
@silverjoystix4696Trying to come at it from a more productive angle... What do you want to see? What would help prove them in your eyes? Personally a touchscreen option would be a must for my wife. I'm personally very interested in their new 16 inch laptop. The 13 was just too small for me. Of course I want to see the specs, before I can truly decide.
@@abangf me too! I'd definitely get the 16-inch version of the Framework laptop if it was available in my country, which is Vietnam! I'm hoping that I can import those laptops for anyone in SE Asia who wants one, though! sad thing is, I don't have money to start stockpiling Framework laptops :(
No, the wattage on those coolers is so low that you would need to attach more than can physically fit on the GPU Better engineered/quieter fans make much more sense
Not to mention that the airjet pro uses 1.75 watts of power from your battery to get rid of 10.5 watts of heat, while a laptop fan usually uses under a watt and gets rid of like 30 watts of heat
Wow, the ability to turn the old mobo combo in a highly portable and stylish looking pc is fantastic! I often sticked to laptaps much longer than I should have coz they were still usable with concessions and I totally refused to reward any company with a new purchase coz of their shitty closed system policy but with this, ha my family members will be happy when I intend to upgrade (they usually keep running my legacy stuff).
About over a decade ago, there were gaming laptops that had LGA socket CPUs and MXM socket GPUs, meaning both were replaceable. If those sort of things had persisted till this day, they would be a good fit for modular laptop designs like these Framework laptops
I still have one of those. Dell. The GPU bit died and I was able to pick one up from the eBay. That was, I think now 12 years ago. Along with swapping the screen from XGA to SXGA+ (and the right ribbon cable. IBM and Compaq never had a unique cable-- the Pentium III/IV days). I want to say there were a few Pentium M chassis had "socketed" CPU. Asus sold a chassis, but I don't remember if that was one of them.
My next gaming laptop is going to be a framework. I’m a huge E-waste reduction advocate and this company does everything right. Framework stay strong and true, I hope my dollars will keep the support going on!! 😁
@Mario Zamora I agree that a bigger battery like a 70 to 75whr battery would have been preferred. But the nice thing about framework is that maybe they'll eventually offer a bigger battery as an upgrade. For now, with the newer ryzen chipset, I'm hoping we'll get at least 10 hours out of that battery.
This is one of my favorite initiatives in the entire computing industry. I am beyond just interested in their success and really want to get my hands on one of these 16" systems soon after they launch. The pre-production designs there are absolutely awesome looking and I can only imagine they will continue to get better. The concept and exchangeable parts for more than just ports is absolutely amazing.
Just hope the Framework 13 comes with a 7940HS and/or a 7840HS with a 780m and a 120hz 16:10 OLED display. The 16 comes with a 7645, 7745, 7845HX with a dGPU and a high refresh rate (144-240hz) 16:10 OLED display
Considering they have the Intel i5 and i7, I'm sure the R7 will at least be available. I don't see any instructions of an oled at this time, though it's possible! And probably could upgrade it later
Ah good. Now everyone on the internet that swore lack of AMD was the only holdback from them buying one will now buy one. Right guys? Right? Right guys?
The old thinkpad W700 and W701 kindof had this concept, where the main keyboard and numpad were separate modules. This makes repairing the keyboard on one nowadays a lot easier since the _700 models are very rare but keyboards for the likes of the T400 or T500 are very affordable
Ooooh love the GPIO panels at 6.32 I2C, Serial in/out, analogue to digital and more - interface with Arduino, Raspberry Pi, sensors plus more..... great idea
Would a 2nd 3,5mm jack act as a second audio device? meaning that I would have to use one or the other? so not so suitable for 2 people to listen to, a splitter would be needed right?
Google tried to do the same thing with phones like 8-10 years ago or something, but people weren't ready for it, i hope one day some one makes it happen cause from what i saw, it was awesome, just like this.
I remember that, I desperately wanted it to work. Funny enough, in Europe the Fairphone is sold, that comes close to the that. Highly repairable, though maybe not upgradeable. Wish it was sold in the states
Considering how they are expanding their lineup and parts, I assume they are making good sales. Awesome. I really want it to be my next laptop. Some more pro's to this approach: good resale as u can easily repair and upgrade. And don't necessarily need a desktop machine, as you can upgrade the mainboard as well as GPU on the 16. Would like to see others follow suit
Being able to re-use the battery as a battery bank is genius. Maybe it'll be a worn out battery for your laptop, but it should still be plenty to charge a phone several times!
I want to get excited but we saw the short support that MXM got in the past. I have two concerns about this product. How long would AMD and Nvidia keep supplying graphics chips to Framework for modular use and how long until Framework discontinues this 16 inch chassis? I mean they might release a 17 inch or revised 16 inch chassis in the future which would require another GPU bracket. They might only release two GPUs for this PCI connector and then create a different connector when they make a new chassis.
The eGPU is long overdue. It really needs to have a mini display port out on the EGPU enclosure though, or a way to have that work via USB4 if that's possible.
I'd buy the AMD 7000 series with a 780m igpu in a heartbeat when it's available here. That igpu will make the thin and light a decent little gaming machine while only sipping power. Dgpus in laptops don't really excite me, I've had bad experiences with them.
They won't always be expensive, you buy right now because you're taking a financial hit to support a small startup, once they get bigger prices will drop
wow. writing this on my framework laptop, i'm so pumped for this. They are knocking it out of the ballpark and I can see this pushing them into the mainstream. They're not going to be able to make enough of these lol.
I have a 12 gen framework. Love it. Size and form factor is ace. So fast despite being the lowest version of the 12th gen. And just seems to be getting better. ❤
Does the preorder of framework 16 come with gpu or is that a seperate purchase? Cause if that's the case paying almost 1500 for highest end version without gpu is expensive
Framework should try to do a buy back system for replacing parts. Then they can refresh the old parts and resell used stuff or donate to those in need or something.
Is the expansion card for swappable GPU supported on 13 inch? Would be great as an travel option when you don't want GPU horsepower. Older parts reusable is great. Their enclosure for battery and mobo are great looking and makes a statement
In case that was what you were referring to: The thunderbolt external GPU case should be working with the 13 inch laptop. Directly inserting their swappable GPUs into the laptop of course would NOT fit the 13 inch model. There are people on the internet reporting successfully using existing eGPUs with their Framework (13) laptops, so it would be weird if the thing Framework themselves produced wouldn't be at least as compatible as that.
@@steffahn i totally forgot about existing thunderbolt enclosure. I thought the expansion bay with GPU was thunderbolt 4 capable and works with their portfolios
The next laptop I buy will definitely be a Framework laptop. I'm exhausted by the prevailing trend of technology being staunchly against repairability and upgradability.
Definitely want to get a Framework at some point. I am always on my desktop, but if I want something portable, it'll be a Framework. Being able to upgrade your laptop by just swapping a mainboard and/or expansion bay is just incredible. Saves tons of e-waste and hundreds of dollars.
My first gen AMD Ryzen based laptop (Dell Inspiron 7375) is long in the tooth, even though I've doubled the memory and quadrupled the drive space as well as replacing the wireless adapter. I held on to it because it was at least serviceable. Finally there's a reason to move on (although, I will miss that 360° hinge, probably)
I wish Framework would make a PCI-E 4x16 eGPU. They really should make the discrete graphics module external with the charger so that you only use it plugged in. I don't want to have to pull the laptop apart when I don't need the graphics.
A static cooling system has always been the Achilles heel of the upgradable laptop. They never accounted for scaling cooling to any extent when it came time to put a GPU that took more power and kicked more heat out. Framework has that covered with this approach. Since cooling is integrated into the GPU itself. Next module will have heavier cooling and the room in the bay it needs. I can see a much better shot at longevity for the platform in this case.
The open-source model Framework is following to let companies and customers alike design and build components to an open, documented standard is how you truly get change started in the market. I'll be shopping for a new laptop this year. Will definitely check them out.
Love the concept. Sad to see that you can't choose the glossy display for the most recent platforms. And when I chose Intel 12th Gen I find that the German keyboard isn't available anymore. So what do I do now? Buy Intel 13th Gen and an ADDITIONAL glossy display kit? Probably not.
If you watch their presentation near the end the CEO hints at other products they want to make in the future "devices you have in your bags, in your pockets". I hope they make a reasonably priced modular phone. It sucked so much when Google killed Project Ara...
If this become successful, i think google might revive project ara. Smartphones are already at it's peak, nothing really new to innovate there now as every new stuff they add is more of a gimmick like foldability, more cameras, etc.
@@pattrickmerete exactly, and most of the "innovation" past few years is stuff I don't want, LOL. No headphone jack, stupid holes in my screen, 120Hz 4k screens that drain your battery on a device where you can barely notice the difference between 720p30 and 1080p60 😜
That would be a move you might regret for the rest of your life. Remember: this is about sustainability. I would wait at least a couple years if I were you. I know it must be hard. Good luck!
@@mistamaog Well, if you can't see see why buying a new machine because it is upgradable while your current laptop is still doing the job then you actually do not care about sustainability. In that case just go ahead. You will never even think about what you did.
@@Kiev-in-3-days That's why I said I would sell it, not throw it out. If I sell the laptop, someone else ends up with a discounted fully functioning laptop, it doesn't immediately become e waste
Want an all AMD gaming laptop with thicc 2.5 - 3 Inch body.., sufficient cooling, option for 3-4 storage bays, 2 or 4 lpddr5 memory slots and a couple of other slots from wifi etc... A drangon range framework gaming laptop would be amazing!
Mate you're a unicorn, even 2 inch thick beasts are dead and gone The 250-300W the current gen all seem to be hovering around is a drastic downgrade from the Clevo P870 chassis which could handle >450W constant draw with a desktop CPU and 2x GPUs (if it was put together properly, Clevo had "variable QC" to put it nicely) I think the 16 will top out at H CPUs and from the 2 heatpipes mockup, a maximum of 100W GPUs, so that's like 7600S or 4060. It'll take a bigger model to handle anything bigger. The Uniwill/Tongfang 16"+17" models have shown the consumer is ready for OEM designed watercooling docks. That will add another possible dimension to increase power.
Awesome video - so happy to see such progressive and positive innovation from Framework. Amazing stuff so very well presented by a dapper and extremely fit Gordon! Looking good brother!! :)
Holy $#!t, I'm sold! I will certainly consider a Framework as my next laptop. Those external cases for old components are right up my alley. They would be great for useful hands down for relatives (battery packs, media centers, etc).
1. With the battery case to make a separate charger, my guess is its clear so you can keep an eye on the condition of it. So you can see when it starts to balloon and bulge so you know its time to get rid of it. 2. Adding 3.5 audio ports is neat... but my big question on that is, does windows treat them as Separate audio devices? If they just act as a "splitter" then its rather pointless. Buuut.. if you can add more audio devices so you can control them separately for a better audio laptop, THAT would be alot more useful. 3. The custom side keyboard, which im *assuming* is a macro keyboard, is a good idea depending on what the software can do. Is it as basic as a keyboard macro or can it be more advanced and control things similar to a Streamdeck? Good potential here, but id like to see more info. Guess we will see later in the year.
The 3.5 ports are usb-c DACs, so each of them will be their own device. I'm looking forward to having two ports just so I can have an external physical knob for mixing between audio of two different programs. I love being able to just reach over and turn down voice comms when I don't want the distraction without having to alt tab. I use an ASTRO mixamp right now that has seen better days, I'd love to replace it with a simple 3.5 mixer.
This is incredible, I hope other manufacturers follow suit with this. I am going to replace my mac and thinkpad with this and if they keep up their promise maybe even my desktop.
I really hope they don't overlook the need for better panel options. For productivity 60Hz can be fine, if a bit irritating. For gaming, we will need 120Hz (with better response time) minimum.
9:50 They're designing their own discrete card standard for laptops? Hmmm.... something tells me that the GPU available for the 16in model absolutely will NOT be nvidia. I don't see Jensen allowing anyone to mess wit his "vision".
That discrete gpu was the final selling point I was waiting for. Next time I buy a laptop, I’d say Framework has the best shot at getting my dollar.
Yes, if they perfect the gaming computer I'm on board. Will wait and see what happens.
Same. For my work, I need a somewhat decent gaming laptop but the lack of upgradeability was what stopped me from purchasing another (I stuck with desktop PCs), after my college laptop grew old quite fast. Having the chance to upgrade the GPU is fantastic news.
Yup exactly what I've been waiting for too
Definitely would have got a framework if the 16 was out. Probably will be my next one for me and my wife. Although the 13 with the 7840 would be awesome. The onboard graphics is like a 1650
I agree.
If I have the money and Framework is available in my country, I'll definitely buy it as my laptop.
The idea that I can upgrade my laptop and reuse the old one is irresistable
I am so happy I bought the 1st gen Framework Laptop to support this company in hopes they would grow like this
Are you planning to upgrade yours at all? Or was the attraction the repairability?
@@deansmits006 not upgrading. My old laptop died and I was getting sick and tired of our loosing war to own our devices and have the right to repair them and wanted the company to grow and not die off so I bought the framework instead of repairing my old 2013 laptop to support their efforts.
Me too. I’m going to upgrade my 11th gen to AMD.
@@LynneCooney finally my intel laptop lasts about 4 hours on video playback on high brightness. my amd g14 last about 7 hours. can't wait for the amd laptop.
Same. It still does what I bought it for so no need to upgrade yet.
Being able to re-use the mainboard and battery in a case is absolutely brilliant as not only they help reduce e-waste. It also helps sell more user removable modules for framework. Will definitely be picking up a framework 16 as need those numkeys - finally a user serviceable laptop to replace my ancient 17inch HP 4730s!
That mainboard enclosure actually made me think that I could upgrade my Framework and use the old stuff as a build server / NAS thing... (But then I realized I have no reason the upgrade, so it's all good.)
Exactly, same here! And the enclosure looks sexy, no other SFF case comes even close in size etc 😮
I dont think so.. if you have your outdated laptop you can sell it.. or give it to someone as whole thing.. in this case you have kinda.. something weird without screen and battery.. Im not sure who want it at home in time then whole laptop can be bought for 800.. and you as 'upgrader' got old case and screen.. so.. no so much 'win-win' ..
@@maksimmuruev423 perhaps you don’t have a use for it, but plenty of people already have home theater PCs, which an old framework mobo would be ideal for. I personally plan to use my old board as a home development server, firewall, NAS, etc.
There’s use cases, and the framework community has a ton of people that would have those needs. I could stand to have 3 or 4 mobos in tiny cases. Build the smallest server rack possible with reasonably high end hardware, and extremely power efficient.
I really hope they go forward with the battery case. If they do the next time I need a battery pack I'll just upgrade the one in my laptop and use the old one for a pack. As is I don't have enough of a reason to upgrade my battery, but if I get a new battery bank out of it?
I leafed through the repair and upgrade components, and the fact they offer refurbished and new products, and that they are all very modular. It's a mod and repair paradise! Just the fact that if your mobo burns out you can get not only a direct replacement mainboard, but upgrade to a higher spec series CPU, or even a newer version is incredible. Even get louder speakers if wanted!
If they offered a all refurbished DIY edition I'd be tempted to go for it, that said I think I'm going to save for a AMD DIY edition anyway cause it sounds perfect
This is the first laptop in a long time i am excited for. My wife has a first generation framework and loves it. I have never had a laptop so easily to upgrade and modify and change.
My aging old heavy beastly laptop is at its end. I will be preordering framework as soon as it available. This could be that laptop for me, portability and functionality of a latpop with customization and upgradability for a desktop. So, so excited.
When we preordered a first gen framework, was a bit nervous but framework has been amazing. An American company that does laptops right. Who knew?
There still aren't standard sizes for motherboards, CPU/GPU sockets, and other connectors across laptops, BUT what framework is doing is far and away what is within their ability, and still beyond anything I expected from them, especially with the input cover and rear expansion bay. Those features will hopefully further increase sales and framework's positive perception (battery life and slight firmware issues aside), leading to these features being widely implemented throughout other laptops as well. This would ensure the positive changes framework is making to laptops extend to other laptops as well, especially as they make open-source all of the CAD and electrical designs for these modules as well, even before the product is available for pre-orders! That is all amazing, and HUGE kudos to framework, and best of luck to them in their future endeavors.
This company ticks literally every box I could possibly think of or ask for. I adore seeing this company grow in the spite of Apple et al's practices of soldering everything together and making everything disposable in the process. Its such a beautiful thing to see.
Literally want my replaceable battery and maybe thonkpad mouse if it ain’t copyrighted all the way/
One of the only videos actually showing the showroom properly, props guys.
This is all really cool. May not be perfect, but there are so many interesting, forward-thinking ideas here. Thank you for doing such a nice job covering this, Gordon and the PC World team!
this is as close to perfect as it gets
@Silver Joystix partially, the 13 inch is the real deal and has been upgradable for 3 years now. Ofcourse you should be sceptical, but they've delivered above and beyond what was promised 3 years ago
@@whodis5774 I agree, but some people just can't be pleased (and seem to take pride in it for some reason).
@Silver Joystix no, the company is proven. read my previous reply again
Scepticism is very reasonable here, but *only* for the 16 inch.
@silverjoystix4696Trying to come at it from a more productive angle... What do you want to see? What would help prove them in your eyes? Personally a touchscreen option would be a must for my wife.
I'm personally very interested in their new 16 inch laptop. The 13 was just too small for me. Of course I want to see the specs, before I can truly decide.
I hope this will be available here in SE Asia. This will definitely be my next personal laptop.
Same i am still using my old thinkpad. Would get the framework 16 if its available in malaysia. Sadly no 😢
@@abangf me too! I'd definitely get the 16-inch version of the Framework laptop if it was available in my country, which is Vietnam!
I'm hoping that I can import those laptops for anyone in SE Asia who wants one, though! sad thing is, I don't have money to start stockpiling Framework laptops :(
Indeed, I hope I can order it from Indonesia, at least from Jakarta
For the discrete GPU, Framework should collaborate with that startup that does solid state cooling for laptop components :)
Ahhh, AirJet!!
No, the wattage on those coolers is so low that you would need to attach more than can physically fit on the GPU
Better engineered/quieter fans make much more sense
those coolers had a max of 15w, a laptop gpu is anywhere from 60-200w, so well beyond what that can do. maybe future designs to the tech
@@bradhaines3142 Not 15, it's 10 (even worse)
Not to mention that the airjet pro uses 1.75 watts of power from your battery to get rid of 10.5 watts of heat, while a laptop fan usually uses under a watt and gets rid of like 30 watts of heat
the 3 headphone jacks is the best "f u" to apple, I love what framework is doing for the right to repair community.
This is called innovation! Kudos to Framework! 👏
This must be what Linus was alluding to recently.
Linus was hinting this and also love the orange LTT color on the laptop
I bought the orange bezel for mine.
Wow, the ability to turn the old mobo combo in a highly portable and stylish looking pc is fantastic! I often sticked to laptaps much longer than I should have coz they were still usable with concessions and I totally refused to reward any company with a new purchase coz of their shitty closed system policy but with this, ha my family members will be happy when I intend to upgrade (they usually keep running my legacy stuff).
13:00 that's a good idea.
About over a decade ago, there were gaming laptops that had LGA socket CPUs and MXM socket GPUs, meaning both were replaceable. If those sort of things had persisted till this day, they would be a good fit for modular laptop designs like these Framework laptops
I still have one of those. Dell. The GPU bit died and I was able to pick one up from the eBay. That was, I think now 12 years ago. Along with swapping the screen from XGA to SXGA+ (and the right ribbon cable. IBM and Compaq never had a unique cable-- the Pentium III/IV days).
I want to say there were a few Pentium M chassis had "socketed" CPU. Asus sold a chassis, but I don't remember if that was one of them.
My next gaming laptop is going to be a framework. I’m a huge E-waste reduction advocate and this company does everything right. Framework stay strong and true, I hope my dollars will keep the support going on!! 😁
Pre-ordered the AMD kit this morning
That’s the one I like, I wish they had a 15 inch AMD with a big battery.
@Mario Zamora I agree that a bigger battery like a 70 to 75whr battery would have been preferred. But the nice thing about framework is that maybe they'll eventually offer a bigger battery as an upgrade. For now, with the newer ryzen chipset, I'm hoping we'll get at least 10 hours out of that battery.
That CJ64 Keyboard PC looks Sick! 😉
Hmm yes, I wonder who made it? Lol
Yes, if they perfect the gaming computer I'm on board. Will wait and see what happens.
This laptop should be the norm but companies are too greedy to do it. Congrats Framework, I hope his will be available in SEA too in the future.
This is one of my favorite initiatives in the entire computing industry. I am beyond just interested in their success and really want to get my hands on one of these 16" systems soon after they launch. The pre-production designs there are absolutely awesome looking and I can only imagine they will continue to get better. The concept and exchangeable parts for more than just ports is absolutely amazing.
That upgradeable gpu module and cooler master's motherboard enclosure are the best things I have seen today.
9:16 can you actually use all those? can you like use one for headphones. one for mic and one for line in? that would be really cool! 🙂
Just hope the Framework 13 comes with a 7940HS and/or a 7840HS with a 780m and a 120hz 16:10 OLED display. The 16 comes with a 7645, 7745, 7845HX with a dGPU and a high refresh rate (144-240hz) 16:10 OLED display
Considering they have the Intel i5 and i7, I'm sure the R7 will at least be available. I don't see any instructions of an oled at this time, though it's possible! And probably could upgrade it later
Framework 13 has a 3:2 screen.
Ah good. Now everyone on the internet that swore lack of AMD was the only holdback from them buying one will now buy one. Right guys?
Right? Right guys?
Yes I want to avoid the Intel sleep bug
Yep. Just need to save up, since I bought AMD everything else... Sold my old laptop and just using my desktop right now
I'm seriously considering it. To date I have never purchased a laptop because they are useless after a few years.
I'd friggin buy one but they don't ship to nz so I couldn't if I wanted to!
That shape shifting keyboard is insane, but so logical. Hard to think that no one had the same idea before
The old thinkpad W700 and W701 kindof had this concept, where the main keyboard and numpad were separate modules. This makes repairing the keyboard on one nowadays a lot easier since the _700 models are very rare but keyboards for the likes of the T400 or T500 are very affordable
Ooooh love the GPIO panels at 6.32 I2C, Serial in/out, analogue to digital and more - interface with Arduino, Raspberry Pi, sensors plus more..... great idea
You don't even have to toss out the old motherboard. They are going to sell desktop case for it.
I love seeing where Framework is going, I hope they'll stick around for the long run!
Would a 2nd 3,5mm jack act as a second audio device? meaning that I would have to use one or the other? so not so suitable for 2 people to listen to, a splitter would be needed right?
It will be interesting to see how this will work out
I'm gonna travel to the US just to get that laptop as long as the power is performance competes with other top brands
I have two framework laptops and I have not been this excited for a laptop in a LONG time...
great to have more choices.
Google tried to do the same thing with phones like 8-10 years ago or something, but people weren't ready for it, i hope one day some one makes it happen cause from what i saw, it was awesome, just like this.
I remember that, I desperately wanted it to work. Funny enough, in Europe the Fairphone is sold, that comes close to the that. Highly repairable, though maybe not upgradeable. Wish it was sold in the states
Considering how they are expanding their lineup and parts, I assume they are making good sales. Awesome. I really want it to be my next laptop. Some more pro's to this approach: good resale as u can easily repair and upgrade. And don't necessarily need a desktop machine, as you can upgrade the mainboard as well as GPU on the 16. Would like to see others follow suit
Being able to re-use the battery as a battery bank is genius. Maybe it'll be a worn out battery for your laptop, but it should still be plenty to charge a phone several times!
I want to get excited but we saw the short support that MXM got in the past. I have two concerns about this product. How long would AMD and Nvidia keep supplying graphics chips to Framework for modular use and how long until Framework discontinues this 16 inch chassis? I mean they might release a 17 inch or revised 16 inch chassis in the future which would require another GPU bracket. They might only release two GPUs for this PCI connector and then create a different connector when they make a new chassis.
The eGPU is long overdue. It really needs to have a mini display port out on the EGPU enclosure though, or a way to have that work via USB4 if that's possible.
eGPU has very limited capability fyi
i love every aspect of this from the addition of AMD to the ways of reusing almost every part as you upgrade
I really enjoyed watching this video. Thx
That cooler master case is sweet.
I'd buy the AMD 7000 series with a 780m igpu in a heartbeat when it's available here.
That igpu will make the thin and light a decent little gaming machine while only sipping power.
Dgpus in laptops don't really excite me, I've had bad experiences with them.
@6:24 thats pretty cool. Like a Arduino or Raspberry Pi pin out board.
6:20 Those are GPIO pins like you find on arduino and raspberry pi.
14:11 volta mag expansion seems promising, this will enable framework to have magsafe like charging mechanism.
Modulair system is the future. I wait for the 16-inch gaming laptop.
This is a product that is worth paying an "apple tax" for what it gives you over all the rest.
They won't always be expensive, you buy right now because you're taking a financial hit to support a small startup, once they get bigger prices will drop
absolutely LOVE Frameworks mission and what they are doing. I am all for lessening E-waste so much can be reused.
If you don’t need the gpu can you use that expansion module for an extra removable battery?
They make a module for both batteries and gpus! So yes you can turn your old battery into a power bank
wow. writing this on my framework laptop, i'm so pumped for this. They are knocking it out of the ballpark and I can see this pushing them into the mainstream. They're not going to be able to make enough of these lol.
I have a 12 gen framework. Love it. Size and form factor is ace. So fast despite being the lowest version of the 12th gen. And just seems to be getting better. ❤
Does the preorder of framework 16 come with gpu or is that a seperate purchase? Cause if that's the case paying almost 1500 for highest end version without gpu is expensive
Framework should try to do a buy back system for replacing parts. Then they can refresh the old parts and resell used stuff or donate to those in need or something.
Maybe they should do a trade in system and then they discount the parts. That would be good for the used framework marketplace.
Looking forward to the future NAS enclosure to turn your old mobo into a full fledged NAS.
I mean you could just put a big M.2 SSD and a ethernet module on the cooler master case and have a working NAS
Is the expansion card for swappable GPU supported on 13 inch? Would be great as an travel option when you don't want GPU horsepower. Older parts reusable is great. Their enclosure for battery and mobo are great looking and makes a statement
In case that was what you were referring to: The thunderbolt external GPU case should be working with the 13 inch laptop. Directly inserting their swappable GPUs into the laptop of course would NOT fit the 13 inch model. There are people on the internet reporting successfully using existing eGPUs with their Framework (13) laptops, so it would be weird if the thing Framework themselves produced wouldn't be at least as compatible as that.
@@steffahn i totally forgot about existing thunderbolt enclosure. I thought the expansion bay with GPU was thunderbolt 4 capable and works with their portfolios
Please never go public framework! Keep doing what you're doing and power on!!
They already are public (and have been so since the beginning I think)
@@obj_obj nope
The next laptop I buy will definitely be a Framework laptop. I'm exhausted by the prevailing trend of technology being staunchly against repairability and upgradability.
Hope they arrive sooner in Spain (they've announced they will arrive here later this year), so I can get my hands on one of those 16" models... 🎉
"RGB - is gaming" - I knew it !!!!
Definitely want to get a Framework at some point. I am always on my desktop, but if I want something portable, it'll be a Framework. Being able to upgrade your laptop by just swapping a mainboard and/or expansion bay is just incredible.
Saves tons of e-waste and hundreds of dollars.
I am continually impressed by the guys from Framework. I hope they keep it up.
My first gen AMD Ryzen based laptop (Dell Inspiron 7375) is long in the tooth, even though I've doubled the memory and quadrupled the drive space as well as replacing the wireless adapter.
I held on to it because it was at least serviceable. Finally there's a reason to move on (although, I will miss that 360° hinge, probably)
I love this idea of reusing old hardware like this.
I wish Framework would make a PCI-E 4x16 eGPU. They really should make the discrete graphics module external with the charger so that you only use it plugged in. I don't want to have to pull the laptop apart when I don't need the graphics.
Anything above 4 lanes will need a new connector.
@@Abu_Shawarib yes, Asus' proprietary connector uses 8 lanes.
A static cooling system has always been the Achilles heel of the upgradable laptop. They never accounted for scaling cooling to any extent when it came time to put a GPU that took more power and kicked more heat out. Framework has that covered with this approach. Since cooling is integrated into the GPU itself. Next module will have heavier cooling and the room in the bay it needs. I can see a much better shot at longevity for the platform in this case.
The open-source model Framework is following to let companies and customers alike design and build components to an open, documented standard is how you truly get change started in the market. I'll be shopping for a new laptop this year. Will definitely check them out.
Love the concept. Sad to see that you can't choose the glossy display for the most recent platforms. And when I chose Intel 12th Gen I find that the German keyboard isn't available anymore. So what do I do now? Buy Intel 13th Gen and an ADDITIONAL glossy display kit? Probably not.
I'm so excited for this! Can't wait for the reviews! Any ETA on that?
No word on reviews, but 13-gen, Ryzen 7000 and Framework 16 all should should in Q3/23
If you watch their presentation near the end the CEO hints at other products they want to make in the future "devices you have in your bags, in your pockets". I hope they make a reasonably priced modular phone. It sucked so much when Google killed Project Ara...
If this become successful, i think google might revive project ara. Smartphones are already at it's peak, nothing really new to innovate there now as every new stuff they add is more of a gimmick like foldability, more cameras, etc.
@@pattrickmerete exactly, and most of the "innovation" past few years is stuff I don't want, LOL. No headphone jack, stupid holes in my screen, 120Hz 4k screens that drain your battery on a device where you can barely notice the difference between 720p30 and 1080p60 😜
This is what the nothing phone should've been. Not just flashy lights but modular internals you can show off with the glyph system
i hope the succeed and make it new industry standard... its about time we have upgradable laptops finally !
Did framework talk with froresystems for there cooling system ?
Now I want to sell my current laptop. I'm in love with what they're doing here! Not just the repairability but how much you can customize the laptop!
That would be a move you might regret for the rest of your life. Remember: this is about sustainability. I would wait at least a couple years if I were you. I know it must be hard. Good luck!
@@Kiev-in-3-days Why's that?
@@mistamaog Well, if you can't see see why buying a new machine because it is upgradable while your current laptop is still doing the job then you actually do not care about sustainability. In that case just go ahead. You will never even think about what you did.
@@Kiev-in-3-days That's why I said I would sell it, not throw it out. If I sell the laptop, someone else ends up with a discounted fully functioning laptop, it doesn't immediately become e waste
@@mistamaog That's right! That "sell" word makes a great difference indeed. Sorry, I didn't noticed that.
Want an all AMD gaming laptop with thicc 2.5 - 3 Inch body.., sufficient cooling, option for 3-4 storage bays, 2 or 4 lpddr5 memory slots and a couple of other slots from wifi etc...
A drangon range framework gaming laptop would be amazing!
Mate you're a unicorn, even 2 inch thick beasts are dead and gone
The 250-300W the current gen all seem to be hovering around is a drastic downgrade from the Clevo P870 chassis which could handle >450W constant draw with a desktop CPU and 2x GPUs (if it was put together properly, Clevo had "variable QC" to put it nicely)
I think the 16 will top out at H CPUs and from the 2 heatpipes mockup, a maximum of 100W GPUs, so that's like 7600S or 4060. It'll take a bigger model to handle anything bigger.
The Uniwill/Tongfang 16"+17" models have shown the consumer is ready for OEM designed watercooling docks. That will add another possible dimension to increase power.
I NEEED THIS! I CANG WAIT TILL THIS IS RELEASED
Awesome video - so happy to see such progressive and positive innovation from Framework. Amazing stuff so very well presented by a dapper and extremely fit Gordon! Looking good brother!! :)
I'm a die hard XPS13 user. BUT, all of the new XPS offerings have the touch function keys and escape, so my next laptop will surely be a framework.
Holy $#!t, I'm sold! I will certainly consider a Framework as my next laptop. Those external cases for old components are right up my alley. They would be great for useful hands down for relatives (battery packs, media centers, etc).
Sadly, there still isn't a touchscreen option :(
Thanks
i really hope the DGPU is not low wattage
Did anyone catch if there will be a MUX?
I just love the initiative.
1. With the battery case to make a separate charger, my guess is its clear so you can keep an eye on the condition of it. So you can see when it starts to balloon and bulge so you know its time to get rid of it.
2. Adding 3.5 audio ports is neat... but my big question on that is, does windows treat them as Separate audio devices? If they just act as a "splitter" then its rather pointless. Buuut.. if you can add more audio devices so you can control them separately for a better audio laptop, THAT would be alot more useful.
3. The custom side keyboard, which im *assuming* is a macro keyboard, is a good idea depending on what the software can do. Is it as basic as a keyboard macro or can it be more advanced and control things similar to a Streamdeck?
Good potential here, but id like to see more info. Guess we will see later in the year.
The 3.5 ports are usb-c DACs, so each of them will be their own device. I'm looking forward to having two ports just so I can have an external physical knob for mixing between audio of two different programs. I love being able to just reach over and turn down voice comms when I don't want the distraction without having to alt tab.
I use an ASTRO mixamp right now that has seen better days, I'd love to replace it with a simple 3.5 mixer.
Everyone should support framework. love those ideas.
I vibe with literally everything here! Keep it up long enough for my current stuff to die and you have my business!
You know, they could design a laptop bag to hold in modules for the 16" to swap out on the fly...
This is incredible, I hope other manufacturers follow suit with this. I am going to replace my mac and thinkpad with this and if they keep up their promise maybe even my desktop.
I love seeing Framework get some mainstream attention! Can't wait to order my Framework 16!
It would be sick if they had a bamboo wood textured mouse pad module.
I really hope they don't overlook the need for better panel options. For productivity 60Hz can be fine, if a bit irritating. For gaming, we will need 120Hz (with better response time) minimum.
I'm sure they will make higher refresh rate panels! to be swapped or ordered when you buy the laptop
How's the ECC RAM support?
9:50 They're designing their own discrete card standard for laptops? Hmmm.... something tells me that the GPU available for the 16in model absolutely will NOT be nvidia. I don't see Jensen allowing anyone to mess wit his "vision".
Please enable closed captions
im getting the 16inch framework, even going to preorder it soon as i can
Was that a mini solar panel as a tile?! Woaah!
I love this. Next laptop I get is guaranteed to be a framework.
This is an excellent video; the perfect explanation of the event!
Why did Framework downgraded the screen from glossy to matte?
By request apparently but I'm sure the glossy option is still offered.