It's honestly surreal to be witnessing this not in some science-fiction, but in 2023 Extremely impressed and huge respect to Framework for being such an awesome option on the market
@richarda3659 it's portable, you can turn the old motherboard into a desktop with the shroud they both sell pre made and give the 3d model files to 3d print it for free, it's portable, and for some people might be better
The display-less computer with the cooler master case actually might be a great idea for a portable computer, so you can switch out displays when needed.
This upgrade is seriously impressive! Going from Intel to AMD on the same laptop framework is a game-changer. The fact that they've made it so easy to perform the upgrade with modular parts and clear instructions is fantastic
one sad thing is that the newest generation of amd ryzen cpu's (afaik i may be wrong) only support ddr5. despite ddr4 having nothing wrong and still gets every job done imo, but some people may have benefited from the faster speeds and i have nothing against that
thats not modulair,you change motherboard and put another motherboard and the parts are not oem but made special for framework,it is modulair only if you use the framework parts,oem parts wil not fit into there design :)))...
Them going out of their way to make sure you can re-use old parts for something new is so nice to see. Framework is truly giga-brain when it comes to re-using old parts and allow for super easy repair/upgrade. Without a doubt will look to them whenever/if I have need of a laptop.
Exactly, think about how some laptops are still being used today even though they released in 2015 or around that time, people usually keep hardware much longer and once you need to replace your framework laptops hardware for something better, the old one isnt going to be obsolete
you are wrong framework 13 parts cant be put into framework 16 system,is that not beuatiful,framework 13 parts cant be installed into framework 16 :)))...
That is always going to be an issue. That is the same reason phones aren't made easier to repair. Cramming everything together and not making it upgradeable and as repairable makes it much cheaper to produce. It's up to the customer to decide whether the other features make up for the price to performance hike. I for one will be considering them strongly for my next laptop which will probably be in about 5 years. Hope they can keep it up and have more competitive pricing by then.
But you can make the laptop cheaper by bringing along your own RAM and storage - RAM can be had cheaply enough, and you can buy NVMe SSDs that are not WD Black versions for quite cheap - the Crucial P3 is insanely cheap right now with the 1TB being available under £40. You also bring your own OS as well, because spending over £100 on a Windows license is rather steep indeed.
It's always been like that. Back in 2011, I paid $1,400 (which would've been $2,000 today) for my Lenovo ThinkPad T520. It still holds a charge, and it works flawlessly till this day. It was one of the most upgrade friendly and robust laptop back then. A lot of laptops in 2011 were up-gradable, but most of them were built out of cheaper materials. When IBM still owned a part of Lenovo, they built laptops like tanks. Now yes, they were extremely chunky and heavy, but it was quality. And it's hard to give up the old IBM keyboard.
While this is true, you can always upgrade the motherboard to a last gen one whenever your specs get outdated compared to buying a new laptop. In the long run, it will save you money
@@Ebalosus no I was 11 when that macbook came out so a little outside my time. My macbooks were the ones made 2015-2018 where a piece of paper was shattering screens and I saw a bunch of batteries on classmates just die (one of them went through 3 macbooks all with a sudden battery death). And those macbooks are definitely not easy to fix either. I never had a macbook coz my parents (understandably) weren't willing to drop a casual 1.5k on a laptop which was only going to be used for word processing and cool maths games... and a bit of cheeky n64 emulation lol
Seeing what Apple has become today makes me sick. I've got an old PowerBook G3. You just remove the keyboard (one "screw" to untighten in the rear and then pull on two marked clips) and you immediately have access to the replaceable CPU daughterboard (which also houses the RAM sticks), hard drive and CMOS battery. It has two large hot-swappable slots on each side which have a tab to pull and they slide right out. In a typical configuration one side houses the battery while the other houses the ODD. Power users could remove the battery and replace it with a floppy drive, ZIP drive or remove it entirely to remove a lot of weight (the laptop came with a dummy module labelled "Weight Saving Module"). Or you could of course add a second battery for double the battery life. This old thing is incredibly sophisticated and well designed. I don't think any laptop since the PBG3 has had so many useful things crammed in one device. The whole thing weighs maybe 2-3kg fully loaded, I think a professional would gladly pay that price for such functionality. Why no one came up with a similar design since it was replaced by the pretty but incredibly flawed PBG4 is beyond me.
Yep, they were also selling 11th gen MB's really cheaply recently as well - so if you had a suitable 3D printer, you could 3D print your housing, and make a 11th gen based mini PC (or AIO if you stuck it to the back of a PC monitor) on the cheap. Of course, bringing along your own RAM, storage and wireless card. If you're making a desktop PC out of an old Framework motherboard, you don't even need the battery either.
I remember seeing a video on this few years back, it was announced that you could swap Intel to AMD and vice versa, but during the demo, they put an AMD inside but wasn't allowed to show it running etc, glad to see where they are now! thanks for covering this.
The WiFi cards that wouldn't work are the CNVi/CNVio ones, meaning Intel AX201 or AX211 (or some older ones, basically anything VPro enabled only works on Intel). These WIFI NICs do not have full functionality in the card itself relegating some of it to the Intel mobile CPU itself, hence they are not compatible with AMD. You got lucky with the AX210 since it's been the best Intel card for the last 3 years or so that is still compatible with everything. And is future proof for WiFi 6E (there's still no WiFi 7 cards... hell, 6E routers are themselves pretty rare and/or expensive!). Edit: I noticed you then placed the Mediatek card in there. I wouldn't be using that card and just keep the Intel AX210 there instead - much better compatibility with Linux, and more stability and reliability on Windows, and the CPU really doesn't matter for that one as I said above. Mediatek just sucks for wifi, and I can tell you this from experience of multiple friends and coworkers who got these on their midrange gaming AMD laptops.
I have had the exact same problem on later AMD laptops; MediaTek Wi-Fi cards that aren't at least Wi-Fi 6E (the 7922 or later) are absolute trash and should be replaced immediately. Same goes for RealTek Wi-Fi cards. I probably will keep the MediaTek Wi-Fi 6E card in my upcoming Framework Laptop 16 unless it too craps out, but it seems that the newer ones are much better than their Wi-Fi 6 and older cards, even on Linux.
I really like where Framework is going with Laptops. This is why I've pre-ordered the Framework Laptop 16. I hope other companies follow suit. I hope Laptops become something even better than Desktops.
framework 13 parts does not fit into framework 16,what a modulair system right,a modulair system that not allow the other framework modulair laptop parts :))...
I feel like a great way to curb potentially having nothing to do with the old part would be to ship it back to framework for a discount on new parts, or a trade, plus the extra cash for a new part, I'd say somewhere around 35-45% of the cost of a new part bought outright, so then framework can re-sell the part. Of course the part would have to be in good condition but being able to reuse the part is always handy.
I would love a company sponsored marketplace for used parts. I bought an 11th gen board second hand (no need for a laptop as I have one company provided) as a cheap replacement for my old desktop serving as a media center PD that finally bit the bullet. Got the CM case for it as well. Faster, quieter (usually), smaller, and more efficient, for maybe $250 all in. I would like to buy a used battery from someone who has upgraded to the 62wh version and experiment with it, as I eventually plan to do the same with a Ryzen board when those start hitting the market and use the 11th gen setup as my router.
No one is doing it better than framework right now in terms of modular mobile PCS and I really applaud what they are doing. Honestly I want my next laptop purchase to be a framework laptop because I want to support this Good and necessary work that they are undertaking.
@@willm5032 In one way its trash that windows roast "old" cpu and motherboards but on the other hand it will give the older computer/retro market more hardware for cheap. A project start with simple and cheap hardware and at the end you get the fancy hardware.. some projects can live and work on the cheap hardware and no issues what so ever. Freenas for example, a common nas have a weak cpu and limited performance. A simpel and cheap 8 core intel computer can perform 100x better and dont even break a sweat..
@@markm0000 though you do have to make sure it is either USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 compatible (with some caveats to Thunderbolt devices being a hit and miss with USB4 device compatibility when that topic was covered in an LTT video in the past).
This is a good option especially the fact that anyone who will and can read instructions carefully will be able to setup a good laptop/computer. And not only setup, but upgrade entire laptops without having to buy new laptops.
One thing that really irks me about the Framework laptops is that they don't have a permanent (and separate) barrel jack/USB-C port for charging. Unless you are fine with regularly running the system off its battery (and degrading it quicker), you effectively can have just three connector options. They got a permanent headset connection already, why not add a charging port as well?
What framework needs to make is something like a surface pro or an iPad. If they could make something like that repairable that would be awesome and I would definitely buy it for college when I go in a few years
For me, I still deeply value Thunderbolt port because of eGPU, so I'll be sticking with Intel. Having said that, I also love the fact that you can upgrade the battery to a bigger 61Wh unit if you choose the AMD CPU. That is a brilliant masterstroke.
+respect to framework!! not only an external case but vesa mount too, just tag it behing the monitor or put it at the side as a mini pc! looks cool too!
Framework laptops are awesome, fantastic for repairability. This video does highlight one point I have always found with the idea of "upgradability". In most circumstances people will only want to upgrade years after original purchase. This usually means upgrading one part we need to upgrade all, like the change from DDR4 to DDR5. While this is not true all the time, and I am sure there are folks who upgrade more regularly, for me when I was building desktops I couldn't afford to "upgrade" because of this. Great to see a company really make repairability a focus.
Kudos to framework; repurposing the guts of old laptop motherboard to be used as desktop is a great idea! Perfect for people who wish to gift the old motherboard to someone (ie older parent/grandparent/relative/friend) who is looking for an slim pc to complete you "daily" tasks such as web browsing, answering emails, voice calls, typing documents, opening PDF's, working in spreadsheets, listening to music etc etc.
This is so cool that you can just build a second"laptop/desktop" pc i m rly impressed and happy that there are some company s that take the time, efforts and patience to make such great products
7:50 Recently saw a video where someone was indeed working on making a handheld game console case for the AMD board, given that it has roughly the same grunt as the Steam Deck. So I guess describing the Cooler Master case as "looking like a handheld game console" is not too far-fetched.
This product is amazing, when I'm gonna buy a laptop, I'm gonna talk to my local computer shops and see if they will be on board to getting these locally in stores .
I wish Framework will sell a touchscreen one too. I would love to get a Framework as my New guy, but i just do not want to not have a touchscreen, i love its flexibility too much on my current laptop.
The Intel module you swapped out is far superior to the AMD/MediaTek module, and is still 100% compatible. It would be incompatible if the model number ended in 1 (AX201/AX211/AX411, etc.). The MediaTek module is branded as AMD RZ series, and googling them will reveal that people have nothing but problems with them. This is something I experienced myself as well. On every PC I get or help maintain, if it has MediaTek or Realtek Wi-Fi, the first thing I do is swap it out for an Intel module.
if i upgrade the Wifi card i will replace Intel AX210 or Intel killer 1675x. Mediatek is so deepshit card always disconnected when using ame like Realtek
finally, the feature that would actually make laptops upgradable, a droop in motherboard with the same footprint. this is not new but this is something no other manufacturers so I'd say it's a game changer. And like what Jeffrey said, parts that came out of your old device can be sold so it's basically getting a rebate from your laptop.
As soon as I saw the heading for this video, I knew you were talking about the Framework 13". The first releases of the Framework Laptop were 11th gen Intel, 12th gen Intel and 13th gen Intel, but because the motherboard is the same shape/size across all models of 13 inch Framework, it allows the switch from Intel to AMD Ryzen. (Or from AMD to Intel, depending on your preference.) If I needed a new laptop that was small and portable I would definitely get a Framework. When the 16" version is released, I'd get a Framework if I needed a new laptop, full stop.
It all depends upon the cost of the new motherboard if i can purchase a new laptop for just $150 more i wouldn't spend my money on upgrading this laptops motherboard. Plus its 100 times more easy to sell an old laptop rather than selling a laptops motherboard.
How’s the battery life like? Because there’s a big discrepancy between reviewers (from 8h to 14h), and while most agree on it being better than Intel, Ars and one other disagrees.
Framework really rubs in the face of every single manufacturer that they have zero valid excuses to impede people from working on their machines, yet they'll make up bogus excuses even for basic upgrades like RAM.
Exactly. There is no excuse not allowing RAM upgrades, at least on big 16-17 inch laptops. But by soldering the RAM they can ask more $$$ for a laptop with more RAM.
This upgrade is $950 cad + tax for mainboard, and I can't resell the old mainboard, like I could with a new laptop... While I can buy a whole new 7840u laptop for $1100. + Tax... This is a price prohibitive
After all Indians only come to the rescue... Framework laptop is a brain child of Nirav Patel now residing in USA but born in India is planning to come up with framework mobiles as well, which would disrupt the mobile industry like never before.
I don’t need a laptop but I would consider the rebuilt desktop device. I think that looks amazing. Framework should consider buying back or giving a rebate for returning the original board and sell the desktops directly to consumers.
My budget can't swing it now, but as a happy 1st-gen, lowest-bin, DIY Framework owner, I'm hoping my Christmas includes this new MB, RAM, and some expansion gizmos.
I have the 13" model, and it's been very lovely all around. Not had to replace anything yet, despite hammering it pretty hard with my tasks, which is a plus. Im excited for the future where I can afford the 16" model Namely for the swappable graphics, A super repairable, very upgradable gaming laptop??? Sign me UP!
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I owned HP workstation series notebook…upgradable cpu,gpu,ram,hdd…old notebook with gr8 upgrability :-) Nice to see this type of notebooks on the market 👍
Well, I like the upgradability this laptop can provide. However, other manufacturers have been doing this for a long time already. For an instance, Dell's Inspiron/Vostro series. They have some motherboards which fit on the same chassis for over 5 years in between. I personally upgraded my old inspiron 5570 motherboard (LA-F115P) into 5593 (LA-J091P), and then into 3501 (LA-K033P), which fit the same chassis and parts from my 5570, except for the battery, of which the 3501 definitely hated my replacement battery and refuses to charge it, and the microphone, which sounds like I ate helium. This is possible should manufacturers consider it since some are already doing it before, it's just not too cost-effective yet. And the caveat is that the board is used/refurbished when bought from China. But I might be looking into Framework laptop later on should I decide to upgrade my old laptop (probably when it dies after 2-3 years, lol)
It's the one sane and practical choice for the majority of laptop users, as I see it. I have no need for a modern laptop but it's still tempting, just to support the company.
Oh my god, i absolutely love the idea of turning the motherboard into a second computer, essentially what people would do if a laptop isnt worth buying a new display/keyboard for and turning it into some sort of monitor + laptop configuraiton.
When i saw the thumbnail in combination with the title i got so excited, but it flashed off into disapointment as soon as you mentioned that it's not socketed and requires a new motherboard! 😢
The AX210 is much better than the flaxy mediatek wifi card. I use tha AX210 rev 6 on my ThinkPad T14 G2 with AMD Ryzen 5 5650u and it performs exceptionally well and stable
Seriously? I hate you for getting your AMD board already! I've had a FW13 AMD system reserved since March, and I'm definitely ready to have it in hand.
So in that nettop conversion we lose 2 expansion ports automatically to power and display out, and maybe one more for an Ethernet adapter, which leaves us with a whole one USB port to plug everything else into. Framework's modular design has really come back to bite them in the rear, but I do hope they would fix this in a second iteration. A breakout adapter for the internal eDP connector, perhaps!
For me, instead of making a modular laptop, they should make a proper laptop, which is easy to repair which does not take a hit in performance. They can do this for enthusiast but for regular people they want a laptop that can work and is powerful enough.
supposedly the intel card models that end with 1 require an intel chipset. Intel has better linux compatibility than mediatek cards, so that's another bonus
Now I see this laptop as a serious option and they stand by their word. It’s not just a small community project anymore.
I have one for 1 year and a half now, I can tell you it is a great laptop
Linus is gonna roll in money 😂😂
What's wrong with the Intel version?
@@LiminalSpaceMan192 Nothing, but price performance ratio has always been trash with intel mobile CPU's, AMD's iGPU is a lot more powerfull too.
@@syedhassaanmujtababokhari6199 Linus is just a investor. He doesn’t own a part of the decision making process or how the company is ran.
It's honestly surreal to be witnessing this not in some science-fiction, but in 2023
Extremely impressed and huge respect to Framework for being such an awesome option on the market
I dunno. How different is this really from replacing the motherboard, CPU, and RAM in an existing desktop PC?
@richarda3659 it's portable, you can turn the old motherboard into a desktop with the shroud they both sell pre made and give the 3d model files to 3d print it for free, it's portable, and for some people might be better
They make it absurdly easier and are releasing newer hardware that can just drop in without needing to buy a new laptop
@@richarda3659 It's a laptop instead of a desktop. That's really it, but it's still a big deal
@UrbanistBloomswho wants to use an old chassis that’s all scratched up just to share a couple hundred bucks? 😂😂😂
New chassis == more features
The display-less computer with the cooler master case actually might be a great idea for a portable computer, so you can switch out displays when needed.
you replaced the board ???
This upgrade is seriously impressive! Going from Intel to AMD on the same laptop framework is a game-changer. The fact that they've made it so easy to perform the upgrade with modular parts and clear instructions is fantastic
where is your profile picture from
one sad thing is that the newest generation of amd ryzen cpu's (afaik i may be wrong) only support ddr5. despite ddr4 having nothing wrong and still gets every job done imo, but some people may have benefited from the faster speeds and i have nothing against that
@@Xnoob545 Resolution looks a bit low and crunchy, but my gut guess is possibly Masamune-kun's Revenge.
thats not modulair,you change motherboard and put another motherboard and the parts are not oem but made special for framework,it is modulair only if you use the framework parts,oem parts wil not fit into there design :)))...
Aye! its never (socket 7) been done before!
Them going out of their way to make sure you can re-use old parts for something new is so nice to see. Framework is truly giga-brain when it comes to re-using old parts and allow for super easy repair/upgrade. Without a doubt will look to them whenever/if I have need of a laptop.
Exactly, think about how some laptops are still being used today even though they released in 2015 or around that time, people usually keep hardware much longer and once you need to replace your framework laptops hardware for something better, the old one isnt going to be obsolete
you are wrong framework 13 parts cant be put into framework 16 system,is that not beuatiful,framework 13 parts cant be installed into framework 16 :)))...
While those laptops are future proof, and great for the environment, they do take a hit with the price to performance out the box.
That is always going to be an issue. That is the same reason phones aren't made easier to repair. Cramming everything together and not making it upgradeable and as repairable makes it much cheaper to produce. It's up to the customer to decide whether the other features make up for the price to performance hike. I for one will be considering them strongly for my next laptop which will probably be in about 5 years. Hope they can keep it up and have more competitive pricing by then.
@@josiahbrown7258I just hope it could be available worldwide
But you can make the laptop cheaper by bringing along your own RAM and storage - RAM can be had cheaply enough, and you can buy NVMe SSDs that are not WD Black versions for quite cheap - the Crucial P3 is insanely cheap right now with the 1TB being available under £40. You also bring your own OS as well, because spending over £100 on a Windows license is rather steep indeed.
It's always been like that. Back in 2011, I paid $1,400 (which would've been $2,000 today) for my Lenovo ThinkPad T520. It still holds a charge, and it works flawlessly till this day. It was one of the most upgrade friendly and robust laptop back then. A lot of laptops in 2011 were up-gradable, but most of them were built out of cheaper materials. When IBM still owned a part of Lenovo, they built laptops like tanks. Now yes, they were extremely chunky and heavy, but it was quality. And it's hard to give up the old IBM keyboard.
While this is true, you can always upgrade the motherboard to a last gen one whenever your specs get outdated compared to buying a new laptop. In the long run, it will save you money
Its always awesome seeing an internal battery not stuck down with kilograms worth of industrial strength glue
You also had to suffer through 15/16" MacBook Pro 2012+ battery replacements?
@@Ebalosus no I was 11 when that macbook came out so a little outside my time. My macbooks were the ones made 2015-2018 where a piece of paper was shattering screens and I saw a bunch of batteries on classmates just die (one of them went through 3 macbooks all with a sudden battery death). And those macbooks are definitely not easy to fix either. I never had a macbook coz my parents (understandably) weren't willing to drop a casual 1.5k on a laptop which was only going to be used for word processing and cool maths games... and a bit of cheeky n64 emulation lol
Seeing what Apple has become today makes me sick. I've got an old PowerBook G3.
You just remove the keyboard (one "screw" to untighten in the rear and then pull on two marked clips) and you immediately have access to the replaceable CPU daughterboard (which also houses the RAM sticks), hard drive and CMOS battery.
It has two large hot-swappable slots on each side which have a tab to pull and they slide right out. In a typical configuration one side houses the battery while the other houses the ODD. Power users could remove the battery and replace it with a floppy drive, ZIP drive or remove it entirely to remove a lot of weight (the laptop came with a dummy module labelled "Weight Saving Module"). Or you could of course add a second battery for double the battery life.
This old thing is incredibly sophisticated and well designed. I don't think any laptop since the PBG3 has had so many useful things crammed in one device. The whole thing weighs maybe 2-3kg fully loaded, I think a professional would gladly pay that price for such functionality.
Why no one came up with a similar design since it was replaced by the pretty but incredibly flawed PBG4 is beyond me.
Imagine just a bunch of 18650s going in there in one row as if it's a flashlight...
@@little_shady_fox18650 is also 1inch thick 😂😂😂
Awesome channel dude, really refreshing to see someone dedicated to making tech work again in the world of today
i also like how you can 3d print your own new case for the old motherboard if you have a printer
Yep, they were also selling 11th gen MB's really cheaply recently as well - so if you had a suitable 3D printer, you could 3D print your housing, and make a 11th gen based mini PC (or AIO if you stuck it to the back of a PC monitor) on the cheap. Of course, bringing along your own RAM, storage and wireless card.
If you're making a desktop PC out of an old Framework motherboard, you don't even need the battery either.
or a handheld console
They made an official case with CoolerMaster
I remember seeing a video on this few years back, it was announced that you could swap Intel to AMD and vice versa, but during the demo, they put an AMD inside but wasn't allowed to show it running etc, glad to see where they are now! thanks for covering this.
love the vesa mount in the back, such detail they show
wait a laptop that can use intel or amd cpu's what is this sorcery?
The WiFi cards that wouldn't work are the CNVi/CNVio ones, meaning Intel AX201 or AX211 (or some older ones, basically anything VPro enabled only works on Intel). These WIFI NICs do not have full functionality in the card itself relegating some of it to the Intel mobile CPU itself, hence they are not compatible with AMD. You got lucky with the AX210 since it's been the best Intel card for the last 3 years or so that is still compatible with everything. And is future proof for WiFi 6E (there's still no WiFi 7 cards... hell, 6E routers are themselves pretty rare and/or expensive!).
Edit: I noticed you then placed the Mediatek card in there. I wouldn't be using that card and just keep the Intel AX210 there instead - much better compatibility with Linux, and more stability and reliability on Windows, and the CPU really doesn't matter for that one as I said above. Mediatek just sucks for wifi, and I can tell you this from experience of multiple friends and coworkers who got these on their midrange gaming AMD laptops.
Average intel enjoyer
I have had the exact same problem on later AMD laptops; MediaTek Wi-Fi cards that aren't at least Wi-Fi 6E (the 7922 or later) are absolute trash and should be replaced immediately. Same goes for RealTek Wi-Fi cards.
I probably will keep the MediaTek Wi-Fi 6E card in my upcoming Framework Laptop 16 unless it too craps out, but it seems that the newer ones are much better than their Wi-Fi 6 and older cards, even on Linux.
This makes unrepairable laptops a sealed broken bricks
5:20 I love clear and translucent plastic. So no complaints from me. Only some ilumination inside would be nice.
Wow that's even more lovely than Raspberry 😮 7:44
I really like where Framework is going with Laptops. This is why I've pre-ordered the Framework Laptop 16. I hope other companies follow suit. I hope Laptops become something even better than Desktops.
Year after year, am getting angrier and angrier over AMDs hype train...
framework 13 parts does not fit into framework 16,what a modulair system right,a modulair system that not allow the other framework modulair laptop parts :))...
@hugh-Jeffrey's You know, you really got me in to Into taking apart stuff And I do thank you. And I love your channel. Keep up the great work.
I feel like a great way to curb potentially having nothing to do with the old part would be to ship it back to framework for a discount on new parts, or a trade, plus the extra cash for a new part, I'd say somewhere around 35-45% of the cost of a new part bought outright, so then framework can re-sell the part. Of course the part would have to be in good condition but being able to reuse the part is always handy.
I would love a company sponsored marketplace for used parts. I bought an 11th gen board second hand (no need for a laptop as I have one company provided) as a cheap replacement for my old desktop serving as a media center PD that finally bit the bullet. Got the CM case for it as well. Faster, quieter (usually), smaller, and more efficient, for maybe $250 all in.
I would like to buy a used battery from someone who has upgraded to the 62wh version and experiment with it, as I eventually plan to do the same with a Ryzen board when those start hitting the market and use the 11th gen setup as my router.
I wish they would sell an empty framework laptop shell. So that the old mainboard could be turned into a whole new laptop.
Kind of surprising that they dont actually
Why put the new motherboard in your old shell,, and then buy a brand new shell for the old motherboard?
Just buy a complete new laptop then lol.
@@Snerual22 That is a good point lol
I was hoping for small desktop pc. But this great.
@@Snerual22 because that then people can buy main boards second hand and the rest of the laptop from framework
"...and the ports reinstalled..."
That's something you don't hear everyday. I love that about the Framework laptop, and I can't wait to get my laptop.
I love how the title isn’t “swap” it’s “upgrade”. Very intentional choice of words lol
We need to force every major company to make their devices as repairable as this Framework laptop
Now that motherboard case is really something. Now they got my attention, beeing able to turn your old board into a new pc its just perfect.
No one is doing it better than framework right now in terms of modular mobile PCS and I really applaud what they are doing. Honestly I want my next laptop purchase to be a framework laptop because I want to support this Good and necessary work that they are undertaking.
I think that using leftover motherboard as mini pc is good idea.
i reuse old motherboards all the time, i only throw them away when they are 1000% dead and gone.. Have used them many times for projects or such.
Yeah the retrogaming/media PC potential is huge tbh.
@@willm5032 In one way its trash that windows roast "old" cpu and motherboards but on the other hand it will give the older computer/retro market more hardware for cheap.
A project start with simple and cheap hardware and at the end you get the fancy hardware.. some projects can live and work on the cheap hardware and no issues what so ever.
Freenas for example, a common nas have a weak cpu and limited performance. A simpel and cheap 8 core intel computer can perform 100x better and dont even break a sweat..
I like this one. It's provided a modular option for swapping it like a removable battery.
the ports too
It'd be really cool if the manufacturer took the old motherboard for refurbishing or recycling.
Framework should make a gaming laptop! And maybe even an android tablet! Would be awesome to see!
the framework 16 will have an upgradable gpu, so that is something
They already do. Or at least that is what the Framework 16 is striving to be.
You could technically get a usb c external GPU and use that when you want to play games.
@@markm0000 though you do have to make sure it is either USB4 or Thunderbolt 3 compatible (with some caveats to Thunderbolt devices being a hit and miss with USB4 device compatibility when that topic was covered in an LTT video in the past).
Android tablet? Nah, Windows/Linux tablet utilizing their standard motherboard.
Intel to amd is actually an upgrade
This is a good option especially the fact that anyone who will and can read instructions carefully will be able to setup a good laptop/computer. And not only setup, but upgrade entire laptops without having to buy new laptops.
One thing that really irks me about the Framework laptops is that they don't have a permanent (and separate) barrel jack/USB-C port for charging. Unless you are fine with regularly running the system off its battery (and degrading it quicker), you effectively can have just three connector options. They got a permanent headset connection already, why not add a charging port as well?
What framework needs to make is something like a surface pro or an iPad. If they could make something like that repairable that would be awesome and I would definitely buy it for college when I go in a few years
IFIXIT now sells Surface Pro 9 parts for self-repair so there’s that.
Man the windows he installed on the "desktop" is ancient. it has an ancient pre-chronium version of edge
Hugh in a happy "frame" of mind after finding a fully repairable laptop!
For me, I still deeply value Thunderbolt port because of eGPU, so I'll be sticking with Intel. Having said that, I also love the fact that you can upgrade the battery to a bigger 61Wh unit if you choose the AMD CPU. That is a brilliant masterstroke.
Btw you get thunderbolt 3 support also on the AMD framework
My next laptop will very likely be a framework. What a great philosophy.
+respect to framework!! not only an external case but vesa mount too, just tag it behing the monitor or put it at the side as a mini pc! looks cool too!
Framework laptops are awesome, fantastic for repairability. This video does highlight one point I have always found with the idea of "upgradability". In most circumstances people will only want to upgrade years after original purchase. This usually means upgrading one part we need to upgrade all, like the change from DDR4 to DDR5. While this is not true all the time, and I am sure there are folks who upgrade more regularly, for me when I was building desktops I couldn't afford to "upgrade" because of this. Great to see a company really make repairability a focus.
Thanks! can you run an external GPU with the case?
Kudos to framework; repurposing the guts of old laptop motherboard to be used as desktop is a great idea! Perfect for people who wish to gift the old motherboard to someone (ie older parent/grandparent/relative/friend) who is looking for an slim pc to complete you "daily" tasks such as web browsing, answering emails, voice calls, typing documents, opening PDF's, working in spreadsheets, listening to music etc etc.
This is so cool that you can just build a second"laptop/desktop" pc i m rly impressed and happy that there are some company s that take the time, efforts and patience to make such great products
I can’t wait for my Framework 16 to come in!!! This is the first laptop I’m buying brand new since like 2007
7:50 Recently saw a video where someone was indeed working on making a handheld game console case for the AMD board, given that it has roughly the same grunt as the Steam Deck. So I guess describing the Cooler Master case as "looking like a handheld game console" is not too far-fetched.
This product is amazing, when I'm gonna buy a laptop, I'm gonna talk to my local computer shops and see if they will be on board to getting these locally in stores .
I wish Framework will sell a touchscreen one too. I would love to get a Framework as my New guy, but i just do not want to not have a touchscreen, i love its flexibility too much on my current laptop.
You don't actually have to use the ports, you could just use USB-C accessories if you wanted, especially for the USB-C to USB-C port
Best videos ever, so inspirational
Waiting for some framework 16 reviews, but this is simply fantastic!
The Intel module you swapped out is far superior to the AMD/MediaTek module, and is still 100% compatible. It would be incompatible if the model number ended in 1 (AX201/AX211/AX411, etc.).
The MediaTek module is branded as AMD RZ series, and googling them will reveal that people have nothing but problems with them. This is something I experienced myself as well. On every PC I get or help maintain, if it has MediaTek or Realtek Wi-Fi, the first thing I do is swap it out for an Intel module.
as much as i like amd products but this thing is true, wifi and Bluetooth stability is garbage
if i upgrade the Wifi card i will replace Intel AX210 or Intel killer 1675x. Mediatek is so deepshit card always disconnected when using ame like Realtek
finally, the feature that would actually make laptops upgradable, a droop in motherboard with the same footprint. this is not new but this is something no other manufacturers so I'd say it's a game changer. And like what Jeffrey said, parts that came out of your old device can be sold so it's basically getting a rebate from your laptop.
As soon as I saw the heading for this video, I knew you were talking about the Framework 13". The first releases of the Framework Laptop were 11th gen Intel, 12th gen Intel and 13th gen Intel, but because the motherboard is the same shape/size across all models of 13 inch Framework, it allows the switch from Intel to AMD Ryzen. (Or from AMD to Intel, depending on your preference.)
If I needed a new laptop that was small and portable I would definitely get a Framework. When the 16" version is released, I'd get a Framework if I needed a new laptop, full stop.
I love this concept. If it sells here in Brazil for a reasonable price I'm game.
It all depends upon the cost of the new motherboard if i can purchase a new laptop for just $150 more i wouldn't spend my money on upgrading this laptops motherboard. Plus its 100 times more easy to sell an old laptop rather than selling a laptops motherboard.
How’s the battery life like? Because there’s a big discrepancy between reviewers (from 8h to 14h), and while most agree on it being better than Intel, Ars and one other disagrees.
Framework really rubs in the face of every single manufacturer that they have zero valid excuses to impede people from working on their machines, yet they'll make up bogus excuses even for basic upgrades like RAM.
Exactly. There is no excuse not allowing RAM upgrades, at least on big 16-17 inch laptops. But by soldering the RAM they can ask more $$$ for a laptop with more RAM.
that's kind of genius. I can definitely see myself buying a motherboard and other bits and pieces to create the most portable desktop ever (rip NUCs)
This upgrade is $950 cad + tax for mainboard, and I can't resell the old mainboard, like I could with a new laptop... While I can buy a whole new 7840u laptop for $1100. + Tax... This is a price prohibitive
Now they need an arm based board
Sunday Relaxation day with Hugh's uploaded repairs. ❤ shoutout from 🇵🇭
very nice, very nicely engineered.
After all Indians only come to the rescue... Framework laptop is a brain child of Nirav Patel now residing in USA but born in India is planning to come up with framework mobiles as well, which would disrupt the mobile industry like never before.
I was thinking that you will just ask to resell the old motherboard until I saw the Framework's mother kit. Huge respect for Framework.
Holy cow! This is extremely impressive! I love the second desktop option! Amazing!
Some worthy collab
Wow the reused CPU setup is soooo cool
Lol I just said that before I even watched the whole video😂
I don’t need a laptop but I would consider the rebuilt desktop device. I think that looks amazing. Framework should consider buying back or giving a rebate for returning the original board and sell the desktops directly to consumers.
Is what the marketplace is striving to do.
Man i hope this would have done before 2000 this would have made the world a better place.
My budget can't swing it now, but as a happy 1st-gen, lowest-bin, DIY Framework owner, I'm hoping my Christmas includes this new MB, RAM, and some expansion gizmos.
that is really neat that one can upgrade a laptop
This laptop is somewhat a batter deal than some SBC board for the performance per money
Oh, I expected some kind of twist in the end
Putting my preorder in this week :))
I love how it is very easy to add new parts.
I have the 13" model, and it's been very lovely all around. Not had to replace anything yet, despite hammering it pretty hard with my tasks, which is a plus.
Im excited for the future where I can afford the 16" model
Namely for the swappable graphics,
A super repairable, very upgradable gaming laptop???
Sign me UP!
This is a brilliant video. I will seriously consider a Framework machine in the future
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I owned HP workstation series notebook…upgradable cpu,gpu,ram,hdd…old notebook with gr8 upgrability :-) Nice to see this type of notebooks on the market 👍
Well, I like the upgradability this laptop can provide. However, other manufacturers have been doing this for a long time already. For an instance, Dell's Inspiron/Vostro series. They have some motherboards which fit on the same chassis for over 5 years in between. I personally upgraded my old inspiron 5570 motherboard (LA-F115P) into 5593 (LA-J091P), and then into 3501 (LA-K033P), which fit the same chassis and parts from my 5570, except for the battery, of which the 3501 definitely hated my replacement battery and refuses to charge it, and the microphone, which sounds like I ate helium.
This is possible should manufacturers consider it since some are already doing it before, it's just not too cost-effective yet. And the caveat is that the board is used/refurbished when bought from China. But I might be looking into Framework laptop later on should I decide to upgrade my old laptop (probably when it dies after 2-3 years, lol)
It's the one sane and practical choice for the majority of laptop users, as I see it. I have no need for a modern laptop but it's still tempting, just to support the company.
Soon as I saw the title, "Well, that's gotta be Framework."
Your title is very misleading.
This laptop allows you to upgrade from an Intel motherboard to an AMD one, not just a CPU upgrade.
That's simply awesome, it converts into a Mac Mini, basically.
Oh my god, i absolutely love the idea of turning the motherboard into a second computer, essentially what people would do if a laptop isnt worth buying a new display/keyboard for and turning it into some sort of monitor + laptop configuraiton.
Wow, these look really cool!
I never missed your videos now i wonder how i missed this laptop which u said uploaded in 2021.
This laptop should become a success
When i saw the thumbnail in combination with the title i got so excited, but it flashed off into disapointment as soon as you mentioned that it's not socketed and requires a new motherboard! 😢
Ikr. At least a socketed cpu would've been nice but nope...
The AX210 is much better than the flaxy mediatek wifi card. I use tha AX210 rev 6 on my ThinkPad T14 G2 with AMD Ryzen 5 5650u and it performs exceptionally well and stable
Seriously? I hate you for getting your AMD board already! I've had a FW13 AMD system reserved since March, and I'm definitely ready to have it in hand.
So in that nettop conversion we lose 2 expansion ports automatically to power and display out, and maybe one more for an Ethernet adapter, which leaves us with a whole one USB port to plug everything else into. Framework's modular design has really come back to bite them in the rear, but I do hope they would fix this in a second iteration. A breakout adapter for the internal eDP connector, perhaps!
For me, instead of making a modular laptop, they should make a proper laptop, which is easy to repair which does not take a hit in performance.
They can do this for enthusiast but for regular people they want a laptop that can work and is powerful enough.
ive been using the ax210 on amd for quite some time. works like a charm
Now I see why people hate clickbait thumbnails
You can't swap CPU, you have to swap whole motherboard
That motherboard thing is amazing
If only they provided unlocked bios with overclocking.. especially now with ryzen cpus.
As soon as Frameworks start selling these in Aotearoa/New Zealand, I am Getting a New Laptop from them!
supposedly the intel card models that end with 1 require an intel chipset. Intel has better linux compatibility than mediatek cards, so that's another bonus
That is the coolest thing I've seen in a loooooooong time.
I hope they get a contract with many companies, those laptops look really cheap to maintain for company issued computers.