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great video as always filip. at the end of the day, i think its fair to say that jesus did in fact exist as a person. whatever someone wants to think besides that depends on their own views. quick question, which was the first book of the new testament that mentioned jesus as the son of god or as divine? thanks and have a great day sir. I shall donate to you soon, love your work
As an atheist, I have to say this was refreshingly balanced, unbiased and well-sourced. I grow tired of videos, articles and books that mock believers with non-stop atheistic dogma, as much as I do those that present atheists as immoral elitists and tout Jesus's divinity as objective fact.
I know that this has been already said a thousand times but it keeps being true: "Atheistic dogma" is a contraction in itself, I think. If I invented and truly believed in a figure, let's say my imaginary friend Charlie, it would be strange to call others acharlieists and accuse them of spreading acharlieist dogma, whenever they say "come on, there is no Charlie". Acharlyism is the default state. If Charlie exists, I must prove it. "Atheism" is a poisoned word, it tries to manipulate the mind by introducing backdoor that there is a god or gods.
Coming from a Muslim background, I love how this channel comment section is gathering religious and non religious people to debate without any ounce of biggotry or harassment. It proves that most people who tears down another people beliefs are often the ignorant ones. Peace to everyone, whoever and wherever you are! Thanks for the owner of the channel for his unbiased rigorously selected presentations!
@@danielmconnolly why cant you just post anything that you would say eye to eye to an actual person. nobody other than new york street preachers would say 'You will be judged and go to hell' in ANY conversation. how about you keep it to yourself cause that is the least convincing thing anyone could say, even religious people cringe at the sight of your comment
As a Christian I cannot get enough of this channel. So interesting! I hope my brothers and sisters in Christianity and outside Christianity have a good day 🩷
@@corrupted_fawn5885I’m a christian And i was always taught Humans alone No matter what place or religion are our brothers and sisters We as christian’s are taught to love everyone and have compassion for every living being on this earth Christian or not. I’m not sure why people are so negative when they say that our only siblings are in christ when humanity itself gives us empathy and love towards everyone
I'm agnostic, but I always have major respect for Christians who are into history and who aren't afraid to go out and find other information. I think that type of faith in God is truly a calling, a lot of Christians avoid history or other opinions for fear of it causing doubt, but youre not afraid of that because your faith is so deep. Makes me really emotional actually. Bless you x
I cant belive me eyes.. A video on religion that has no negative comments and such open minded people.. This is needed in the world.. I hope all of u r blessed no matter ur beliefs or religion ❤💯
@@Humpeltrulla since there is evil in this world due to sin, that won't be a reality until Jesus Christ comes back though, today through Christ Jesus we can have glimpses of that life :" ) Jesus teaches us to live in care for one another, to help and love on eachother because He (God), loves us, and does the same for us :" ) its one thing I am grateful to Jesus for
@@joshua2400 The bible has been completely debunked by science, archaeology and biblical scholarship, but you can actually *PROVE* the bible is false yourself. The anonymous, biased fanatics who wrote the gospel fairy tales claimed that Jesus promised: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). So turn on your video camera and pray for Jesus to appear to you RIGHT NOW, and post the result to TH-cam! Jesus will never appear because the authors of the gospel tales were proven liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Zeus, Odin, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or to any other fictional character in a book. All Christians can do is make pathetic excuses for why this NEVER works, despite the bible’s promises. *FACTS* 1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone. 2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for (Acts 1:3). 3) Jesus supposedly promised that believers would “receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matt 21:22). 4) Regardless how much you pray or ask...Jesus won't appear. The most likely explanation for the above? Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T. Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life. The fact that so many Christians have to film videos and post comments defending their debunked book of ancient mythology is proof that the bible is false, and that the magic prayer superpowers promised by the liars who wrote the gospel tales don’t work. “Do not put my ridiculous claims to the test” said the liar to the fool.
@Aaron of Ruth Don’t murder any babies ‘on faith’ today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should? If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Being a 'Born Again' Christian, I don't usually watch this kind of a video, but I found myself enjoying its unbiased presentation. It was very well done. Thank you. I have recently become friends with a Muslim and a Bahi and we sit for hours over coffee sharing our faith and respect for each other. For me, it's like the Apostle Paul saying, 'I am all things to all men, that I may win some.' After fifty years of loving Jesus and the word, my faith is on solid ground, but I have learned to listen; really listen to what others believe. Only then can I hope to earn their respect and have them listen to what true Christianity is all about.
@@Nacho_el Thank you, Glaede, for your encouragement. I'm off to Liverpool, England now, where I was born and ran as a real scalawag. They know me well and can see the miracle God has done in my life. It's a real open door that the Lord has provides me and I love it. I will also attempt to walk one hundred miles on the River Severn Way trail I did twenty years ago when I was just sixty two. Now I am old but much wiser. Jesus will be with me all the way. Have a great day, my friend. Psalm 37:4-5
Man I love your comment, your spot on. Having open ears and knowing your knowledge is limited and others may know something you don’t is a crucial part in Christianity because if you don’t then you will start to think you hold the absolute truth and oppose your will on others because it’s justified, which is how totalitarianism formed. This vid explains a lot better than I can. th-cam.com/video/DtiRzQMgBDM/w-d-xo.html
I'm so happy this video is favoured by the algorithm. Your academic approach and attempt to be as non-biased as possible is greatly appreciated and much needed within religious/spiritual circles
As someone with a history degree, which included a course on comparative religion. I think the analysis here is spot on. Really smart and well reasoned
If you really had a history degree, you'd understand why absurd supernatural claims by anonymous, biased cult members are not "history". Dr. Gerd Ludemann, Chair of History and Literature of Early Christianity at the University of Göttingen: "Many Christians feel threatened if they hear that MOST of what was written in the Bible is (in historical terms) UNTRUE and that none of the four New Testament Gospels was written by the author listed at the top of the text." - Kêrygma and History in the Thought of Rudolf Bultmann
i was he 7 day old baby before solomon , the first boen of the covenant of david . taught for a 1000 years then sent back down that was the 2nd comming this is the 3rd there are 4 . israel gets a 1000 year kingdom then the end... i spoke to satan in the cemetery in jerusalem... 2018.... COVID IS BECAUSE THE NATIONS LET SATANS ISLAM IN... I GAVE A WARNING OCTOBER 2020. JESUS.... READ MATTHEW 23 VER 39... AND 2 SAMUEL 7 VER 12 THE CRUCIFICTION IS THERE... AND ITS NOT FOSSIL FUELS....ITS ME.
I am not a Christian and i HIGHLY recommend you all to watch a sci-fi movie "the man from the earth" which will give you more context in a way to things talked in this video. Its a sci-fi but will give you context about lost in translation and adapting believes as per your convenience. Go watch it and LIKE THIS COMMENT SO OTHERS CAN WATCH THAT TOO 👍 👇
Me: huh let's see, I wonder how different other perspectives are about Jesus, I mean, they can't be that different from what I've heard in Christianity, right Video: Jesus was a mushroom
This channel is just amazing. Believer and non-believer people comment, and ALL in a respectful and open-minded way, which is SO rare when talking religion. I guess I am personnally still questioning the existence or not of a God and have no clear answer yet, but one reason why I stopped going to church a long time ago was (1 thing of many) the fact that I always felt that churches were teaching what was convenient for them, and were hiding/ ignoring many historical facts, or ancient writings...and so on and so forth. This channel has been eye opening. Always well narrated, and extremely well-documented, and does not lean one way or the other: just gives facts.
Unfortunately yeah, many churches avoid controversial topics because they don’t want to offend anyone or cause a difference in opinions to surface. Keep searching though, don’t give up.❤
@@echollun I like to believe the there is a creator of the universe .... who is of course unknowable and always will be. I think its pretty evident when you do the reading that the old and new testaments don't really stand up ..... good stories but not historical ...... the old testament borrows from so many Egyptian texts and ancient stories and the new testament is just a mess ... especially the gospels. Have you listened to the Mauro Biglino series here on YT ?
I love this maybe don’t follow the church and judge the church follow the bible as we are all sinners - I beleive Jesus because not only of the bible but because there are so many stories of saints healing Jesus saving people appearing to them and this is what I love about Jesus, for me Jesus saved me from what I was doing because of his teaching there isn’t a more Nobel and perfecr man - I’ll pray for you but I think praying and asking Gos if his real and ask for signs maybe you will receive his grace and mercy , have a great day ❤️
It’s awesome to see how rigorous and academic history of religion is. Thank you, al muqaddimah and useful charts (and the wider academic theology community on TH-cam) for getting me interested in this topic.
Rigorous? They’re saying to best evidence is writings from 100 years later, which echo those of the adherents of the cult. Where are all the records the Romans nwere so fond of keeping? If Mary had to travel for the census, where are the records of that census? Lost? Where is the record of his birth? Also lost? If he was crucified by Pontius Pilate, there should be records of that, since there are surviving records from the same time of other crucifixions. .
@@hopegold883 Wait, what? "The best evidence is (are) writings from 100 years later?" Actually the earliest Christian sources date to within 20 years of Jesus death, not 100. And where exactly are these records of crucifixion that are apparently so common?
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
I dont come from a religious background,but ive always been so fascinated by religion,esotericism,occultism,mythology etc.I recently found your channel and im satisfied with your content!absolutely love it!You are so well spoken and i can tell that you do good research before filming a video.Keep it up!
Lee Strobel was an award winning investigative journalist who tried to disprove Jesus's divinity and got converted: Lee Strobel's "Case for Christ" will unlock the answers to who Jesus was. The book is good but here is also a youtube link to a lecture from Lee Strobel th-cam.com/video/67uj2qvQi_k/w-d-xo.html
Yep... it goes to show you that people don't mind MAKE PRETEND at all, even to the extent that 99% of Jesus depictions are obviously highly inaccurate. People are pretty silly with their superstitions.
@@RahulRaj-tg2kr yeah Shiva, Brahma and 33 crore gods are not fictional and krishna the god who peeked at girls while bathing and stole their clothes when bathing is so much significant
The sixth century monk Dionysius Exiguus developed a calendar system for numbering the years based on the birth of Jesus thus the years are in Anno Domini (in the year of the Lord, A.D.). However, he counted backward wrong and his count of the years backward to the birth of Jesus was off several years. (Jesus was born between 7-8 BC and 4-5 BC, Before Christ). This year numbering system became standard around AD 800.
Whether he truly existed or not and whether you're religious or not, anyone can interpret Jesus as the symbol of salvation. To me, he was a revolutionary and a rebel who criticized and questioned the Roman law and other authorities for their savage and unequal treatment of the people, and got treated exactly how he portrayed these savages, by crucifying and making an "example" out of him for those who dared to question Roman/Jewish authority. And with that, he "saved" the people who followed him, he "liberated" them from their fears and lies fed by brutal imperialists. The reason why he remains a symbol to this day, is because we still need to put a stop to inequality, to wars and learn how to co-exist with each other and nature. We still need saving, by those who play "God" over us.
@@elilovesjesus9169 If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult, then it MUST be a reliable source?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
@@Horus-Lupercal For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM should NOT perish but have everlasting life.John 3:16
@@edwardhicklin9223 I mean most Christians, just like any other demographic, are reasonable people. It’s just the idiots that talk the loudest. Again, same as any other demographic really.
@@Glassandcandy I agree entirely. I was alluding to the typically toxic realm of the youtube comment section. The vast majority of Christians that I have met or been friends with have been wonderful people.
@@edwardhicklin9223 ah gotcha. I just assumed you were referring to the Christian part because there is a lot of toxic anti-theism in TH-cam comment sections on videos about religion usually.
I took a history of Christianity class in college and the first day of class the professor goes "yeah so we don't actually have a lot of evidence that Jesus ever existed." My very Catholic friend was shocked to say the least.
@@grayintheuk8021 a few Roman sources about early Christians. The main point is indirect. The Romans, even though they were initially very hostile to Christianity, never actually question the existense of Jesus and his crucifixion at the hand of Roman justice.
‘A few decades’ was actually 70 to 100 years after the death of Jesus, so no one who knew him at the time wrote about him. And when they did, no one wrote the same story.
Jesus died between 27 and 34AD Paul's letters of Galatians, Philippians, 1&2 Corinthians, Romans, 1&2 Thessalonians, and Philemon were all written in the 50sAD. There are many mentions of things Jesus did within "a few centuries". Moreover, some portions of these texts have trappings of oral history already which leads most scholars to believe that some aspects go back to within 5 years of Jesus's death
@@davidsheppard4297 Faith, or belief, is not fact. The facts are unknown . The only reason the Christian Bible was written was because Jesus did not return to bring peace as Christians hoped. It took 400 years for Christianity to flourish and only because Constantine made it the national religion to unite his kingdom.
@@LindaLinda80Linda You've completely changed tracks here without at all acknowledging what I'd written. You also present a false dichotomy between faith and fact. I might have faith in my spouse that they won't cheat on me, for example, and it could be a fact that they don't. These are not mutually exclusive terms. Finally, your ascribed motives and analysis for Christian writings are plausible but remain a hypothesis. If you were to ask the writers, they'd probably give an explanation more akin to "God called me to write this", and stating that it is solely due to Constantine that Christianity "flourished" is pretty unsubstantiated. He was certainly helpful and it spread much more quickly when it was an official religion, but it's impossible to say what would have happened in any hypothetical where Constantine didn't do what he did
@@davidsheppard4297 Then your argument would be consistent with every thing in in life. I will revisit your last message. I appreciate you keep the conversation lively and well-mannered. Thank you.
As a Baha’i I am used to people having no idea who we are so it’s a pleasant surprise when ever someone mentions it. Thank you for taking the time to accurately mention it in your video.
@@nire135 You are lost. Going to hell unless you make Jesus your Savior and Lord. You do that by asking Jesus to forgive yours and repenting of them. Jesus is not one of many ways. He is the only way.
The psychedelic mushroom theory was first popularised by an English academic called John Allegro through his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. It brought him both popular fame and notoriety, and also destroyed his career. He also worked on the dead Sea scrolls and was very important in popularising them as well as translating some of them, including the copper scroll. He's a really interesting guy.
The psychadelic mushroom theory is interesting because Jesus is known for preaching love, and people who take psychadelic drugs report having a feeling of love for everybody. Also, herbs/drugs/vegetation also points to the cross, which is a symbolic tree, as well as Jesus' body being bread and his blood being wine/grapes. Other so-called "dying-rising gods" are also associated with vegetation/herbs/drugs, such as the Ugaritic god Baal Hadad being resurrected as fruit; the Sumerian god Dumuzi and the cedar tree; the Egyptian god Osiris and the acacia tree, barley, and wheat; the Phoenician god Adonis and the anemone flower and red poppies (which in turn associate him with opium); the Phrygian god Attis and almonds and pomegranates; the Hittie god Telipinu and the oak tree; the Norse god Balder and the oak tree and mistletoe; the Greek god Dionysus and wine/grapes, pomegranates, and the pine tree; the Greek god Hyacinthus and the Hyacinth flower; the Roman mythology hero Pyramus and the mulberry tree; the Irish god Miach and "365 herbs". There is also the Slavic god Jarilo (although I'm not sure if he is associated with any particular herb or plant).
as a christian, this was a truly interesting and fascinating videos. i have always looked for sources to debunk or argue the existence of christ, but they are always biased and sometimes even straight up disrespectful. thanks for this!
You could check out Nabil Qureshi. I believe he has a channel on youtube. His research about Christianity gives a lot of insight and you have room for further research.
Also why we can’t find remains or material or Jesus is because he’s in heaven. Every other god or prophet can be found and has a grave sight. I see only Christianity getting hate these days, but any other religion, I see nothing but ppl respecting it. That’s enough to tell you that God is real.
As someone who no longer holds fundamentalist Christian beliefs, I'm trying to learn more about the history of the Bible, how it was made (because humans/men wrote it), what was excluded/included and why, etc. This was informative. Thank you!
@Greg LeJacques why are you running away When someone pushes a child to avoid being run over by the train! And if you die yourself, it's not a human sacrifice!
@Greg LeJacques Again! why are you running away When someone pushes a child to avoid being run over by the train! And if you die yourself, it's not a human sacrifice!
I absolutely adore these videos. I've always wanted to learn about the abrahamic religions from an unbiased source, supported by unbiased scholarly bibliography.
@@Celebrimbor965 not me! Simply explained this source isn’t unbiased, like every source lol, that’s why I agree it’s important to take information from multiple sources of different biases
as always with many of your vids, I'm gonna use this for my Youth group so they get an academic critical thinking view of Jesus, perfect for this Lenten season, awesome work!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. . . . .. ....
I just want to say that I thoroughly enjoy your channel. It's very difficult to find an unbiased, academic source when discussing religion, and I think you do a fantastic job of presenting religion in a scholarly way. Cheers.
@@CalebBerman That is mythology. No shred of evidence he even existed. You can think what you want but nothing you said is provable. It is wishful thinking based on an accident of birth. If you were born in a different part of the world you would be talking about some other mythological fantasy land.
@Ray Pellerin - Real or not you will find out after you die. And if you don't believe you will spend eternity in the lake of fire. But hey ya can tell the devil I said hi 👋.
Just a small correction. There is no such thing as year 0. The "Christian"-based calendar begins with year 1. So it goes from 1 B.C. directly to 1 A.D.
From the style, the figures in front of a gold background, it is presumably from around the 9th century (this mosaic) and so YES, It is early middle ages.art.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
I've been binge watching a few of your docs but have now subscribed after you mentioned useful charts! I have loved their channel for years and it's always been an odd fascination of mine so knowing you're collaborating with them to make even MORE insane content makes me happy! Amazing!
read the books of st clementine, st augustine, and u will get a good idea .... for historical perspective, read eusebius's history on early christianity .....
@@mathewjose4753 Early christianity was the real religion worshipping the only one god wich the prophet jesus the son of the virgin mary carried it’s message he told everyone one that he is god’s messenger and he worship him too he is not his son His majesty the almighty lord but the romans after jesus went up beside god they cheated and corrupted the real religion they replaced all jesus teachings with their pagan beliefs …
I'm Catholic but I'm trying to investigate more about faith and other religions just to learn and know more. This research was great 😃 thanks for being unbiased and clear, it's refreshing
As a Catholic who converted to Muslim who renounced Judaism embraced Native American culture then reconverted back to Catholicism briefly and am now a Hindu .. I have to agree
@@cleo5079 I've been also investigating Islam on the surface, I used to have lots of prejudices against it but I'm glad I'm breaking those prejudices for it is rich and wise. However I don't understand the context of Muhammad the prophet, the Messiah was announced centuries before Jesus was born, but Muhammad came out of nowhere without announcements in a very convenient way. I also don't see a way of defending polygamy, and the Quran denying Jesus death, which is a point every other religion and even atheist agree on, makes me difficult to consider Islam a possibility of truth. But thanks for encouraging me, it does help!
I’m pretty sure most historians believe Muhammad and Jesus existed while David and Solomon are semi historical and the others are pretty iffy. Great video as always
@@LetsTalkReligion it seems to me that historians believe Muhammad existed, the Quran he taught is the same one existing, but do not believe that the Quran is the word of God. Thanks for the video, I do learn a lot from your videos, and others who provide history on civilization and science of evalution.
@@bearcb That might be correct, I don't know enough to really say, but why does that matter? It has nothing to do with the existence of Jesus and what we can say we know about him
@@zoeanaam.6996 Actually I'm reiterating the universal perception of historians. My belief in the Quran is strengthen by its scientific facts that are beyond human knowledge in the ancient era. Tq brother 👍🏾
One big problem with the josephus testimony if one part was alter who's to say the whole thing was not altered. It's a easy thing to replace one man's name with another or to imply one man is related to another. Tempered with evidence will always be suspect.
Because that one part physically looks like it is altered. Ie it literally looks like you smushed in a word between other words. If you were going to bullshit the whole thing, you’d probably not have to squeeze words in
@@joegibbskins It may look like that to you but, you don;t speak English Proper. I do. You are a Deaf Phoenician and are stuck with a Def-inition and no etymology or phonics.
@@joegibbskins If you intend to gain intelligence, you are going to need to practice English Proper. Always check the etymology and listen to and Add Hear. You will need to split the words and find the Aryan Root.
Absolutely loved the way you explained the cautionary tales from the Bible. It adds a depth to the message and encourages us to reflect on our own choices. Truly enlightening! ✨
I appreciate this video so much. It was an unbiased approach and presented in such a scholarly way. I was raised Christian and have always had questions of the existence of Jesus. Please continue to have these conversations because it’s healthy to make sense of historical figures and their validity.
This is not a scholarly debate about the existence or lack thereof of Jesus. There are plenty of scholars who point out that stories similar to Jesus and his purported life actually existed for hundreds of years before Jesus was alleged to have been born. Where are the historical references to show this much earlier history from which the "myth" of Jesus could well have evolved from.
@@coreyham3753 Here's something interesting for you to consider. If I were to tell you a story about a British ocean liner that sank in the month of April in the North Atlantic Ocean because it hit an iceberg. That many passengers lost their lives due to the limited amount of lifeboats. That its name is spelled T-I-T-A-N- What ocean liner would you think I'm talking about? If your first guess was the Titanic, I'm afraid you'd be wrong. I was referencing the Titan, the fictional ocean liner from Morgan Robertson's The Wreck of the Titan, written 14 years before the very real, historically tragic events of the RMS Titanic. Now imagine if people 2,000 years from now looked at both accounts and wrote off the Titanic as just another copy or rehash of the older, seemingly similar account of the Titan. This should give you an idea of how I view the "accounts of Jesus is a copy of (insert other mythical figure's name here)" or the Jesus Myth Theory in general.
@@ellied4088 An interesting story. But it is pretty easy to view both stories, Titan vs Titanic, from an evidence based viewpoint. There are tens of thousands of evidence based facts about the Titanic vs a fictional novel. Granted that thousands of years ago there is scant evidence or records left today to make such a similar comparison. But to be honest, I am personally just not enough of a biblical or ancient times scholar (nor willing to spend the time to become so) to really have much of an informed opinion or conviction one way or the other. What I do find interesting is the debate discussion, and viewpoints of those "experts" who do have considerable knowledge abut the biblical times questions.
@@JamesRichardWiley Ancient people were so ignorant they had no idea where dreams come from. They thought dreams were spirits or gods trying to talk to them in their sleep and the reason they were confusing was because gods were so advanced that only a few humans could understand what they were saying. They thought the same about hallucinogens and schizophrenia. The book of Revelations came from the Magi, the same tribe of people who would instigate the Jesus story a thousand years later. They were magicians, astrologers, specialist in dreams and enemies of Rome.
Great video. Thanks for the very open-minded exploration of these questions. As to the existence of Jesus, it seems that those who deny his existence entirely, claiming that he is simply a fabricated character no more "real" than Batman, have a much more difficult thesis to support than those who accept his existence regardless of how the meaning of his life might be defined. As to "who" he was, that shall forever remain a mystery just as the "true identity" of each of us is irreducibly mysterious and can never be captured by any set of beliefs.
Nope. To put it bluntly, all Christians have to back up their faith is "Some unknown guy pulled a claim out of his ass". You have ZERO corroboration for any of these stories, and all you can do is repeat ridiculous claims from unknown cult members and logical fallacies. Liars can claim anything, and “Fools will believe anything” (Prov. 14:15, New Century Version), but liars and fools can't present actual EVIDENCE that their claims are true, which is why you can’t. All you have are absurd stories by anonymous cult members in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, that promises magical poison-resistance to believers: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. ..
@@Gamefan86 Then how do you explain the Gospel? If it isn't God's word, how has it survived 2000 years? Why did the apostles give their lives for a fable? And most importantly, has the sun given everything, its Throne in Heaven, its immortality as God, humbled itself to a servant, and given its Life to save THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO KILLED HIM from their sin?
When I was still in school, my history teacher told me that we have a lot of evidence for a man named Jesus. Nothing is to say that he was a savior, or the son of god, but there definitely was a man thousands of years ago who happened to be named Jesus
Um no. His real his was Yeshua. No such thing as "Jesus" in the Hebrew language. And if were were to translate Yeshua to English. This name would be Joshua.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. ..
As an agnostic I found this video very interested, impartial, which is good because you always hear atheists and theists talking about this kind of thing but they always add their opinion and that makes the information not impartial.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. ..
As an atheist, i have no doubt this man existed and was probably crucified under Pilot. He is one of the most influential people in human history. Just dont believe he was the son of the invisible sky man.
Thanks for the great video with such a balanced and well-expounded narration. I am not a Christian myself and trained as a medical scientist. By my own reasoning would tell me Jesus is most likely a historical figure with great charisma and influence especially after his untimely passing since there have been tens and hundreds of writings and gospels written about this person, or his close relatives and disciples, or about his apocalyptic/prophetic records/teachings that make him as a central figure mushrooming within the 100-300 years. You just can't regard it as a random event. This rising literature and disciples who could even sacrifice themselves for this religion must be triggered by a special event centered on a person. More or less similar phenomena also occurred at the early formation of Buddhism after the passing of the Buddha, or of Islam after the death of the prophet Mohammad.
If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult, then it MUST be a reliable source?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
I love your reasonable and measured take. I would say that Christ's followers themselves believed that they had seen him risen from the dead, which is different from the followers of Buddha and Mohammad; those followers trusted the words of Buddha/Mohammad.
@@briggy4359 How would you know what Christ's followers believed? Were you there? What's your source of information on this? Oh right---anonymously-written manuscripts (see 'fallacy of anonymous authority') dated hundreds of years after the supposed events that are filled with proven fiction, forgery and fraud. Correct? Regarding Buddha, "Indeed, whatever the facts might be, the life of the Buddha as it comes down to us is largely fabrication." - The Myth of the Historical Buddha. And regarding Muhammad, we can trust what some unknown scribes claim that other people claimed that Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel told him in a cave that Allah said, right? LOL!
I think you can actually regard it as a random event that got extremly popular due to the circumstances. People at the time were either tired of believing what others forced them to or just saw christianity as a superior religion due to it being only 1 omnipotent god instead of multiple(simpler religion) and the stories surrounding it. It's safe to assume if it was today it would just be considered another cult that no one paid attention. Regarding the disciples who sacrificed themselves, you can also see that in those same cults nowadays. People will give away all they got and themselves to the cult churches with no central event to it.
Mmm, seems to me if the evidence for a Jesus was real we'd have found something more than guesswork and conjecture by now..after all other people from this time can be cross referenced with other sources? You struggle to get unbiased information as to if he indeed existed like Christians believe, wether he was a wise man who died and rose again? Bit of a stretch of the emagination that one? It seems to me if you're indoctrinated from an early age its hard to be unbiased in later life, teach ALL religions at an adult age and see how many still believe! ...incidentally I'm a critical thinker and consequently an ex Christian, ..
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As a human, I need food, shelter, water, oxygen, and social interaction to survive. This video is refreshing because you talked about stuff that everyone talks about, but you talked about the stuff differently. I especially like where you said "It's Jesus Time" right before you Jeezed. It amazing to see the civil comment section that TH-cam censors. No matter what planet you're from, we all deserve pleasantness!
@@Nathouuuutheone As a whole, the Bible is difficult to read and can seem silly. Though I would say there is some stuff worth looking at. Same with the Quran and other scripture.
For a layperson like me who has studied - with many limitations - about the historical Jesus, this channel brilliantly summarized most of what I have read or watched about this topic :) - Mark J., Philippines
First time i have seen someone add his name on the bottom of his youtube comment, as if it were some intellectually powerful quote ->important for generations to come< and as if your name wasn't already visible anyway.
@King Melon - Muhammad was a pedophile. He married a 9 yr old girl. They didn't concemate the marriage until she was 12 yrs old. So yeah I don't think he's in Heaven.
After many years of honest and respectful doubt, it appears that the old Firesign Theater's comical description was probably the most accurate: " The Church of the Presumptuous Assumption of the Blinding Light."
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. . . . .. ....
As someone who is sorta unsure of his faith, this video was very interesting. I appreciate the way you tackled a subject that can result in a lot of controversy, and I think everyone else in the comments can agree on that.
@@josephhuggins5394 Prove it! "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). If any of that were true, you’d simply pray for Jesus to appear to you RIGHT NOW, and post the result to TH-cam! But you know Jesus will NEVER appear because the authors of the gospel tales were proven liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Zeus, Odin, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or to any other fictional character in a book. All Christians can do is make pathetic excuses for why this NEVER works, despite the bible’s promises. *FACTS* 1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone. 2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for (Acts 1:3). 3) Jesus supposedly promised that believers would “receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matt 21:22). 4) Regardless how much you pray or ask...Jesus won't appear. The most likely explanation for the above? Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T. Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. .
Mushrooms can allow one to experience Christ consciousness temporarily, but because we have been corrupted with Sin we can not stay there, we eventually will fall back into our corrupted ego. Jesus being God, stayed in Christ consciousness.
I love his videos. He makes it so easy to follow even the most complicated events of History and religion. Very knowledgeable and impressive. Thank you.
All religions presented themselves as Llies when they denied Jesus his sacrifice! God is holy and therefore inevitably always righteous. So God can never be merciful, gracious, because grace is not justice and therefore is wrong! A holy God can only be holy if he Never does wrong !! So Fact is without Jesus his SACRIFICE out of love for us we would all be lost! Only YHWH is not lying when he says he is HOLY and merciful! Who is YHWH equal? Exactly no one!! JESUS gave himself as a sin offering !! A pure life for a life !! Because we have to be holy = without guilt otherwise God will judge us fair and just !! Jesus is YHWH and thus the Creator of everything and thus has the weight to wash the whole creation clean with these pure lives (Blood) !! God bless you
Because God is holy in all religions=, he cannot be graceful in the Jugment !! So God always has to judge righteously in order to be holy !!! Does he not judge righteously! he would judge injustice and he would be unholy !! Grace is not fair because it is a gift that you do not deserve! If you had earned it, it would not be grace but justice !! So a holy God cannot be mercyful when he is juding !! So Fact is without Jesus his sacriefice, it doesn't work !!
@Uploading Truth 1 Timothy 2, 3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Why do we pronounce it 'Nosis' (leaving the "G" silent) when we pronounce its opposite 'Ag-nosis'? Shouldn't we either pronounce the first "G'nosis" or the second "A-nosis"?
I wasn't religious prior. But it was reading through critical texts like these that led me to become a believer and embrace faith. Some nonbelievers end up as believers such as me, while I've got believing friends which ended up more agnostic, or nonbelievers becoming more nonreligious. It is compelling, I can tell you all that.
Well, there's everything for everyone. I'm an agnostic atheist since 13 or so, i read mostly science, but i'm very interested in religion. I've read the whole bible (some books several times), the Nag-Hammadi library, the Dead sea scrolls, tons of patristics, tons of apocrypha, the Qur an, and much more... I'm currently reading the Mahabharat (11th section by now). Nothing in this vídeo is new to me. Yes, i've read Josephus' Opera Omnia and Tacitus, Suetonius... And the more i read, the more i see human wishes and expectations in them. To each his own, i guess.
@@antoniorocha3967 As you, I’ve read about many faiths, the Qur’an, Alan Watts and some early hindu and Islamic texts, even books on perrenialism and traditioanlism (although not to the degree you described). As you say, one can argue that many of the spiritual “feelings” humans well... feel, can be felt in many religions. But feelings is at many times useless in understanding whether something is true or not. Mythos without Logos is void, and be it that truth must be unitary, as far as I can tell only a christian world view combines both the secular abstract logic uncaused cause God and the mythical and historical God. Mythical in the metaphysical and symbolic sense, and historical its presence throughout human history.
@LCJ Goossens don’t go down the rabbit hole. Religion is interesting to study because of its historical and cultural importance, however is it simply all mythology. Only trust sources that can be proven by science, facts, and reasoning, and can be changed or proven wrong by future discoveries.
@Faisal Siraj You beat absolutely nothing. You are simply a pawn of the church which has brainwashed you into denial of facts and reasoning. The scientific and historical methods are the only way to accurately study the universe, not blind faith in ancient collections of texts that cannot be proven true.
the sooner you get that jesus was a devil in disguise and the sooner you reach enghlitement. jesus just want you to for you are born for one reason ! accept jesus in your heart and suffer as he suffered so it is the only way for you to escape demons and gremlins monsters and hellfire that burn ! god can't go on earth in a magnificent beautiful form ! he need to impregnante a simple human woman so a second 100% humanified god can be born ! jews will betray him and romans will execute the order of the jews ! but fear not ! cause this simple execution is in reality all the sins of the world that jesus carry on his cross while he is crusified ! he is not put to death because the romans sentenced him. but because he somehow magically extinguished sin by dying. god is so much great and so smart and love you so much that he sent his son to die without letting him ask his choice "father why have you forsaken me" but somehow his death is magical and save ! read john-13 he still is god ! and in christ we trust ! cause in christ we are saved ! revelations will come and they will all go to hell exept the elected ! that how esus ret*rded logic is. stop considering him as an incarnation of vishnu. nowaday hinduism is shit
Your channel and Religion for Breakfast are so amazing! Religious studies is such a cool field, and your all’s videos make it super interesting for everyone! Keep up the good work man
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. . . . .. .... ...
I am most surprised by the heading on top of the manuscript that appears at about 18:05. Is there really an ancient manuscript that has the heading or title APOKRYFON? Where can I read more about it? Is the text online somewhere? @Let'sTalkReligion
@@hannawurst6064 What does that mean "God" himself went to the cross? I believe the man Yah'shua physically died on the cross. Do you believe The LORD God, Yah Elohim, died on the cross?
12:45: If the text was tampered with by a later Christian writer, why assume the two references to Jesus were there in the text at all to begin with? They could have been complete insertions.
Considering the same group who "copied" the only versions we have of those texts were also the ones who found the True Cross, Jesus' grave and tunic... The culprit was almost certainly Eusebius of Caesarea, who wrote a hagiography of the enthusiastic convert and Emperor, Constantine. It reads like a Christian creed. To then cherry pick the bits that Josephus could have written, possibly...
It is possible they were inserted, but one would have expected a lot more ancient sources would have then been tampered with, and there be many more mentions of Jesus. The fact there are so few indicates that each of the authors did mention Jesus.
@@pattheplanter Maybe - but there is no reason to think the mentions are totally fabricated. Particularly as other writers such as Tacitus refer to him.
@@brontewcat Tacitus mentioned Christians and their beliefs. Everything he said about "Christus" seems to be from Christian sources. If he existed, Jesus would not have been known as "Christus" until some time after his supposed death. Christians were well-known by Tacitus's time. There is no reason to believe the mentions in Josephus are not totally fabricated.
Really appreciate your erudite and thoughtful expositions. Your love for your subject shines through, you are obviously a person of deep reflection, compassion and great intellect to be so engaged and inspired by the great thinkers of so many different belief systems. Would love to hear more of the Beguines and their intellectual and theological leaders😊
@@the1_MatthiasGray Not exactly. He concludes that there are people that concluded that the Christ is a mushroom. Today I would say some people will use Ayahuasca instead of mushrooms and claim to have the Christ spirit. Not that far fetched at all.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. . . . .. .... ... ...
I know that JESUS is real! HE has answered so many of my prayers.i do have many questions that I'd love to have answers to.the one thing that I do know that JESUS IS REAL!! I don't know how it all happened, but it happened.
Don't beat your wife today just because some ancient religious nuts claimed that a pedophile claimed that the angel Gabriel claimed that God said you should: "But those wives from whom you fear arrogance - first advise them; then if they persist, forsake them in bed; and finally, strike them” Quran 4:34.
How many biblical scholars do you think hold secular views? I’d wager far fewer than those who are believers. Might that affect the perception of Christ’s historicity?
You my friend have earned my respect as one of the most important people on the planet and I say that the fact that when I read the comments I see people from other religions coming together doing their best to understand each other so this TH-cam channel and your other friends by esoterica and such to a really really incredible job knowledge is power
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens. Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun. Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. ..
Before I declared and became a Baha’i I read so much about Moses, Jesus and Muhammad in the Baha’i writings. There is so much eye opening information that makes you realise that certain events were symbolic or even exaggerated by the writers. Please read ‘Some Answered Questions’.
Hi! I am Muslim and also a graduate student in History, centering around Religion and Ritual Studies. I discovered your channel about a week ago and listening to you takes me back to when I started gaining interest in my current field, and I appreciate the amount of care you take in researching and presenting scholarships. It is an example I can strive towards. Thank you!
How do you know which words are from God and which are from the deceiver, Lucifer/Satan, the angel of light? If light can deceive you, how do you discern God? There is a God who cannot lie, and another god who is fathers all lies. Both are light. How then do you distinguish the True and Greater Light which rules the Day from the Lesser light which rules the night?
@@steelmilkjug we belive the man who deliver the message 1400 years ago , his name was Muhamed and he says : “I am only a man like you, ˹but˺ it has been revealed to me that your God is only One God. So whoever hopes for the meeting with their Lord, let them do good deeds and associate none in the worship of their Lord.”
@@ukleth Thank you for your reply. The difference is Jesus and Peter and Paul, Apostles of the One God, had miraculous signs of healing and other miracles confirming they were sent by God. And men tried to worship them, but they said "Do not worship us". Now Muhammed has no miracles. If the One God is Inside Muhammed, like He is inside Jesus, Peter, and Paul, and all the Holy Prophets and Apostles, then why does Muhammed have no signs God is inside Him working? The One True God is INSIDE all His Holy Prophets and Apostles.
@@steelmilkjug the miracle do not proof your are from god or not . Because jesus says that even the anti christ could do miracle . The main proof that most muslim belive in mohamed not the magic miracle he perform , but a book that have 114 chapter that no human in earth could write it from his mind .
It doesn't matter to one jot at all about what the religion has become, it's so much more interesting to learn more about the world they lived in then; how they understood it and the nature of their society and beliefs etc. It would be most interesting to learn how much in common we have more than differences. Thank you for a lovely interview ❤️
It is rare to see any reference to Jesus that calls into question any text or actually puts him into an historical and sociological context. I was pleased to see that you did a great job in such a short video.
For an argument from absence, none of the critics of early Christianity made the argument that Jesus of Nazareth never existed. The flat statement that Christians were following a purely fictional character is apparently a much later claim, and not one made in antiquity.
The critics didn't need to make the claim that he didn't exist because he didn't. When the new testament was written it was backdated in order to make Jesus' prophecies appear to come true. People were worshipping a character who they believed had existed.
To those wondering about the reference to Hinduism and its incorporation of Jesus, this claim is based on several contemporary movements in Hinduism, like the group assoicated with Sri Ramakrishna (d. 1886) who have indeed argued for Jesus as an Avatar.
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great video as always filip. at the end of the day, i think its fair to say that jesus did in fact exist as a person. whatever someone wants to think besides that depends on their own views. quick question, which was the first book of the new testament that mentioned jesus as the son of god or as divine? thanks and have a great day sir. I shall donate to you soon, love your work
@@barca29np Mark,
Not just divine, but GOD Himself
tbh, in every Gospel, in pauline epistles, and in acts
Why make a video like this right after your Advaita Vedanta video
@@niccolopaganini1782 no that’s your opinion
As an atheist, I have to say this was refreshingly balanced, unbiased and well-sourced. I grow tired of videos, articles and books that mock believers with non-stop atheistic dogma, as much as I do those that present atheists as immoral elitists and tout Jesus's divinity as objective fact.
His divinity is a fact there is proof
I bet u never read a single book critisizing evobullshit
@@anderrall1925 - *His divinity is a fact there is proof* please cite your evidence
@@anderrall1925 - *I bet u never read a single book critisizing evobullshit* why would we read books by idiots who don't understand evolution?
I know that this has been already said a thousand times but it keeps being true: "Atheistic dogma" is a contraction in itself, I think. If I invented and truly believed in a figure, let's say my imaginary friend Charlie, it would be strange to call others acharlieists and accuse them of spreading acharlieist dogma, whenever they say "come on, there is no Charlie". Acharlyism is the default state. If Charlie exists, I must prove it. "Atheism" is a poisoned word, it tries to manipulate the mind by introducing backdoor that there is a god or gods.
Coming from a Muslim background, I love how this channel comment section is gathering religious and non religious people to debate without any ounce of biggotry or harassment. It proves that most people who tears down another people beliefs are often the ignorant ones. Peace to everyone, whoever and wherever you are!
Thanks for the owner of the channel for his unbiased rigorously selected presentations!
Cheers 🥂 to that comrade
Those kind of peoplr dont take the time to watch these high quality, long videos with knowledge.
Im glad someone finally adressed that. Thank you.
Everyone will stand before God to give account of everything we have ever said and done in our lives.
Let that sink in...
@@danielmconnolly why cant you just post anything that you would say eye to eye to an actual person. nobody other than new york street preachers would say 'You will be judged and go to hell' in ANY conversation. how about you keep it to yourself cause that is the least convincing thing anyone could say, even religious people cringe at the sight of your comment
Enjoyed doing this collab with you. Let's talk religion again soon :)
This colab is not one I expected, but it certainly is one I appreciate. I have learnt so much from both of your channels
Where u guys get all the infomation and find out if it is legit
Always fun to work with other creators! Thanks for this! :)
Incredible collaboration!! Your timeline of world history has transformed my understanding of humanity. Please please collab more often!! :)
Nope just nope
I love ur videos and respect u but that is bad
As a Christian I cannot get enough of this channel. So interesting! I hope my brothers and sisters in Christianity and outside Christianity have a good day 🩷
you don't have brothers snd sisters that aren't in Christ.
@@ks9545Why not? I was raised christian but now I am an atheist. Can you not have brothers and sisters in humanity? Siblings in love and empathy?
@@corrupted_fawn5885I’m a christian And i was always taught Humans alone No matter what place or religion are our brothers and sisters We as christian’s are taught to love everyone and have compassion for every living being on this earth Christian or not. I’m not sure why people are so negative when they say that our only siblings are in christ when humanity itself gives us empathy and love towards everyone
@@yaraortega2377 agreed!
I'm agnostic, but I always have major respect for Christians who are into history and who aren't afraid to go out and find other information. I think that type of faith in God is truly a calling, a lot of Christians avoid history or other opinions for fear of it causing doubt, but youre not afraid of that because your faith is so deep. Makes me really emotional actually. Bless you x
I cant belive me eyes.. A video on religion that has no negative comments and such open minded people.. This is needed in the world.. I hope all of u r blessed no matter ur beliefs or religion ❤💯
Right, I wish it would happen outside my doorstep...and the world will live as one,nothing to kill or die for.
@Vic LTD hello my friend :" )
how are you? what song are you referring to?
@@Humpeltrulla since there is evil in this world due to sin, that won't be a reality until Jesus Christ comes back
though, today through Christ Jesus we can have glimpses of that life :" ) Jesus teaches us to live in care for one another, to help and love on eachother because He (God), loves us, and does the same for us :" )
its one thing I am grateful to Jesus for
@@joshua2400 The bible has been completely debunked by science, archaeology and biblical scholarship, but you can actually *PROVE* the bible is false yourself. The anonymous, biased fanatics who wrote the gospel fairy tales claimed that Jesus promised: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). So turn on your video camera and pray for Jesus to appear to you RIGHT NOW, and post the result to TH-cam! Jesus will never appear because the authors of the gospel tales were proven liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Zeus, Odin, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or to any other fictional character in a book. All Christians can do is make pathetic excuses for why this NEVER works, despite the bible’s promises. *FACTS*
1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone.
2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for (Acts 1:3).
3) Jesus supposedly promised that believers would “receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matt 21:22).
4) Regardless how much you pray or ask...Jesus won't appear.
The most likely explanation for the above? Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T. Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life.
The fact that so many Christians have to film videos and post comments defending their debunked book of ancient mythology is proof that the bible is false, and that the magic prayer superpowers promised by the liars who wrote the gospel tales don’t work. “Do not put my ridiculous claims to the test” said the liar to the fool.
@Aaron of Ruth Don’t murder any babies ‘on faith’ today just because some member of a death cult claims that God said so. "This is what the Lord Almighty says...put to death men and women, children and infants." (1 Samuel 15:2-3). So you’d murder your neighbor’s entire family, including his infant, if some man claimed that Jesus appeared to him and said you should? If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult who thought the world was flat and illness was caused by demons, then it MUST be a reliable source of real history, right?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Being a 'Born Again' Christian, I don't usually watch this kind of a video, but I found myself enjoying its unbiased presentation. It was very well done. Thank you. I have recently become friends with a Muslim and a Bahi and we sit for hours over coffee sharing our faith and respect for each other. For me, it's like the Apostle Paul saying, 'I am all things to all men, that I may win some.' After fifty years of loving Jesus and the word, my faith is on solid ground, but I have learned to listen; really listen to what others believe. Only then can I hope to earn their respect and have them listen to what true Christianity is all about.
Keep the faith on fire Frank!🔥
@@Nacho_el Thank you, Glaede, for your encouragement. I'm off to Liverpool, England now, where I was born and ran as a real scalawag. They know me well and can see the miracle God has done in my life. It's a real open door that the Lord has provides me and I love it. I will also attempt to walk one hundred miles on the River Severn Way trail I did twenty years ago when I was just sixty two. Now I am old but much wiser. Jesus will be with me all the way. Have a great day, my friend. Psalm 37:4-5
Man I love your comment, your spot on.
Having open ears and knowing your knowledge is limited and others may know something you don’t is a crucial part in Christianity because if you don’t then you will start to think you hold the absolute truth and oppose your will on others because it’s justified, which is how totalitarianism formed.
This vid explains a lot better than I can.
th-cam.com/video/DtiRzQMgBDM/w-d-xo.html
i THINK YOU LIE.
@@comparedtowhat2719 thank you for your nice reply. have a great day.
Tell me more about this “Jesus is a psychedelic mushroom” theory.
There's a famous book written about it which kind of started the whole theory called "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross".
@Let’s Talk Religion I just looked that up, and that’s a very interesting and weird theory lol.
@@LetsTalkReligion i need that book, NOW!
Boy, do I have a podcast for you!
Do not be fooled by false Fungi!
I'm so happy this video is favoured by the algorithm. Your academic approach and attempt to be as non-biased as possible is greatly appreciated and much needed within religious/spiritual circles
As someone with a history degree, which included a course on comparative religion. I think the analysis here is spot on. Really smart and well reasoned
MAN YOU HAVE BEEN TOTALLY TAUGHT WRONG>>>>
@@markjapan4062 You killed the chat
If you really had a history degree, you'd understand why absurd supernatural claims by anonymous, biased cult members are not "history". Dr. Gerd Ludemann, Chair of History and Literature of Early Christianity at the University of Göttingen: "Many Christians feel threatened if they hear that MOST of what was written in the Bible is (in historical terms) UNTRUE and that none of the four New Testament Gospels was written by the author listed at the top of the text." - Kêrygma and History in the Thought of Rudolf Bultmann
i was he 7 day old baby before solomon , the first boen of the covenant of david . taught for a 1000 years then sent back down that was the 2nd comming this is the 3rd there are 4 . israel gets a 1000 year kingdom then the end... i spoke to satan in the cemetery in jerusalem... 2018.... COVID IS BECAUSE THE NATIONS LET SATANS ISLAM IN... I GAVE A WARNING OCTOBER 2020. JESUS.... READ MATTHEW 23 VER 39... AND 2 SAMUEL 7 VER 12 THE CRUCIFICTION IS THERE... AND ITS NOT FOSSIL FUELS....ITS ME.
@YOLO MORGANNWG chicken butt ?
Thanks, as a Mesopotamian Squid Emperor, I found the discussion of the historiography interesting and educational.
squid emporer?
Coming across your comment after scrolling for a bit made me LOL
Lmaooo
@@JoRiver11 elder scrolling... :P
So thankful your portal was repaired.
Thanks, as a Christian, I found the discussion of the historiography interesting and educational.
I am not a Christian and i HIGHLY recommend you all to watch a sci-fi movie "the man from the earth" which will give you more context in a way to things talked in this video. Its a sci-fi but will give you context about lost in translation and adapting believes as per your convenience. Go watch it and
LIKE THIS COMMENT SO OTHERS CAN WATCH THAT TOO 👍
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@@ByOMview nobody cares
@@ByOMview ur indian so no
@@ByOMview it is a mediocre story that is badly acted.
@@ByOMview is there a big musical dance number at the end? Because if so, I’m in!
I find your videos to be refreshingly matter-of-fact rather than opinion. Thanks for providing this content.
Me: huh let's see, I wonder how different other perspectives are about Jesus, I mean, they can't be that different from what I've heard in Christianity, right
Video: Jesus was a mushroom
Lenin was a mushroom
Marx was a toadstool.
Yeah, I thought your comment was a joke, but then he talked about it and I was like... what the hell?
Can you overdose on Jesus?
@@Niobesnuppa yes
This channel is just amazing. Believer and non-believer people comment, and ALL in a respectful and open-minded way, which is SO rare when talking religion.
I guess I am personnally still questioning the existence or not of a God and have no clear answer yet, but one reason why I stopped going to church a long time ago was (1 thing of many) the fact that I always felt that churches were teaching what was convenient for them, and were hiding/ ignoring many historical facts, or ancient writings...and so on and so forth.
This channel has been eye opening. Always well narrated, and extremely well-documented, and does not lean one way or the other: just gives facts.
Unfortunately yeah, many churches avoid controversial topics because they don’t want to offend anyone or cause a difference in opinions to surface. Keep searching though, don’t give up.❤
Any update?
@@echollun I like to believe the there is a creator of the universe .... who is of course unknowable and always will be. I think its pretty evident when you do the reading that the old and new testaments don't really stand up ..... good stories but not historical ...... the old testament borrows from so many Egyptian texts and ancient stories and the new testament is just a mess ... especially the gospels. Have you listened to the Mauro Biglino series here on YT ?
I love this maybe don’t follow the church and judge the church follow the bible as we are all sinners - I beleive Jesus because not only of the bible but because there are so many stories of saints healing Jesus saving people appearing to them and this is what I love about Jesus, for me Jesus saved me from what I was doing because of his teaching there isn’t a more Nobel and perfecr man - I’ll pray for you but I think praying and asking Gos if his real and ask for signs maybe you will receive his grace and mercy , have a great day ❤️
@@Johnkanon01 Jesus taught this, but what Jesus didnt teach was that he was god
It’s awesome to see how rigorous and academic history of religion is. Thank you, al muqaddimah and useful charts (and the wider academic theology community on TH-cam) for getting me interested in this topic.
You should also check out Esoterica and Religion for Breakfast if you haven't. They're in a similar vein.
Awesome!
Rigorous? They’re saying to best evidence is writings from 100 years later, which echo those of the adherents of the cult. Where are all the records the Romans nwere so fond of keeping?
If Mary had to travel for the census, where are the records of that census? Lost? Where is the record of his birth? Also lost? If he was crucified by Pontius Pilate, there should be records of that, since there are surviving records from the same time of other crucifixions. .
@@hopegold883 Wait, what? "The best evidence is (are) writings from 100 years later?" Actually the earliest Christian sources date to within 20 years of Jesus death, not 100.
And where exactly are these records of crucifixion that are apparently so common?
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
I love this guys voice and the way he talks. Very eloquent and calm and sophisticated and soothing..
I dont come from a religious background,but ive always been so fascinated by religion,esotericism,occultism,mythology etc.I recently found your channel and im satisfied with your content!absolutely love it!You are so well spoken and i can tell that you do good research before filming a video.Keep it up!
Don’t let anyone convince you that something is true, stick to your own conclusions. ❤
Lee Strobel was an award winning investigative journalist who tried to disprove Jesus's divinity and got converted: Lee Strobel's "Case for Christ" will unlock the answers to who Jesus was. The book is good but here is also a youtube link to a lecture from Lee Strobel th-cam.com/video/67uj2qvQi_k/w-d-xo.html
I hope you find your spacebar 😊
Smartass
Same
It's crazy how Jesus looks different depending on what region of the world the story was told and handed down.
Yep... it goes to show you that people don't mind MAKE PRETEND at all, even to the extent that 99% of Jesus depictions are obviously highly inaccurate. People are pretty silly with their superstitions.
It’s like Man made god in his image and not the other way around…
wat a waste of time that a fictious figure we are discussing about even after 2000 years who is of no significance
@@RahulRaj-tg2kr yeah Shiva, Brahma and 33 crore gods are not fictional and krishna the god who peeked at girls while bathing and stole their clothes when bathing is so much significant
@@user-dm1yx7qz6h lol go and get a life buddy !!!!
There was no Year Zero. The calendar went from 1 BC to 1 AD.
You know... Good point actually.
Why is time Starting from Jesus time, which time or calendar is used in historical writing?😵
The sixth century monk Dionysius Exiguus developed a calendar system for numbering the years based on the birth of Jesus thus the years are in Anno Domini (in the year of the Lord, A.D.). However, he counted backward wrong and his count of the years backward to the birth of Jesus was off several years. (Jesus was born between 7-8 BC and 4-5 BC, Before Christ). This year numbering system became standard around AD 800.
@@dhrevrogers so up until 800 they would count years ab urbe condita?
Dionysius wanted to replace the calendar numbering based on Roman Emperor Diocletian (a persecutor of Christians) with a system based in Christianity.
Whether he truly existed or not and whether you're religious or not, anyone can interpret Jesus as the symbol of salvation. To me, he was a revolutionary and a rebel who criticized and questioned the Roman law and other authorities for their savage and unequal treatment of the people, and got treated exactly how he portrayed these savages, by crucifying and making an "example" out of him for those who dared to question Roman/Jewish authority. And with that, he "saved" the people who followed him, he "liberated" them from their fears and lies fed by brutal imperialists.
The reason why he remains a symbol to this day, is because we still need to put a stop to inequality, to wars and learn how to co-exist with each other and nature. We still need saving, by those who play "God" over us.
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As a Christian, I really appreciate the unbiased information. Thanks much dude!
Is it a yes or no
@@claytonhoffpauir634 it’s a yes
@@elilovesjesus9169 If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult, then it MUST be a reliable source?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
Have you considered growing up?
@@Horus-Lupercal For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever BELIEVETH IN HIM should NOT perish but have everlasting life.John 3:16
As a Christian I appreciated your professionalism and the unbiased nature of this video. Well done.
Thank you!
The rational and polite nature of the above message provides hope for all of us.
@@edwardhicklin9223 I mean most Christians, just like any other demographic, are reasonable people. It’s just the idiots that talk the loudest. Again, same as any other demographic really.
@@Glassandcandy I agree entirely. I was alluding to the typically toxic realm of the youtube comment section. The vast majority of Christians that I have met or been friends with have been wonderful people.
@@edwardhicklin9223 ah gotcha. I just assumed you were referring to the Christian part because there is a lot of toxic anti-theism in TH-cam comment sections on videos about religion usually.
I took a history of Christianity class in college and the first day of class the professor goes "yeah so we don't actually have a lot of evidence that Jesus ever existed." My very Catholic friend was shocked to say the least.
The beauty of a good classroom - suprising new ideas!
we actually do.
Thing is that among all prophets, philosophers and preachers, we have the most evidence that Jesus existed.
@@edwardmiller4190 Really we do?? Outside of the bible??
@@grayintheuk8021 a few Roman sources about early Christians. The main point is indirect. The Romans, even though they were initially very hostile to Christianity, never actually question the existense of Jesus and his crucifixion at the hand of Roman justice.
‘A few decades’ was actually 70 to 100 years after the death of Jesus, so no one who knew him at the time wrote about him. And when they did, no one wrote the same story.
Exactly
Jesus died between 27 and 34AD
Paul's letters of Galatians, Philippians, 1&2 Corinthians, Romans, 1&2 Thessalonians, and Philemon were all written in the 50sAD. There are many mentions of things Jesus did within "a few centuries".
Moreover, some portions of these texts have trappings of oral history already which leads most scholars to believe that some aspects go back to within 5 years of Jesus's death
@@davidsheppard4297 Faith, or belief, is not fact. The facts are unknown . The only reason the Christian Bible was written was because Jesus did not return to bring peace as Christians hoped. It took 400 years for Christianity to flourish and only because Constantine made it the national religion to unite his kingdom.
@@LindaLinda80Linda You've completely changed tracks here without at all acknowledging what I'd written. You also present a false dichotomy between faith and fact. I might have faith in my spouse that they won't cheat on me, for example, and it could be a fact that they don't. These are not mutually exclusive terms. Finally, your ascribed motives and analysis for Christian writings are plausible but remain a hypothesis. If you were to ask the writers, they'd probably give an explanation more akin to "God called me to write this", and stating that it is solely due to Constantine that Christianity "flourished" is pretty unsubstantiated. He was certainly helpful and it spread much more quickly when it was an official religion, but it's impossible to say what would have happened in any hypothetical where Constantine didn't do what he did
@@davidsheppard4297 Then your argument would be consistent with every thing in in life. I will revisit your last message. I appreciate you keep the conversation lively and well-mannered. Thank you.
As a Baha’i I am used to people having no idea who we are so it’s a pleasant surprise when ever someone mentions it. Thank you for taking the time to accurately mention it in your video.
What are you?
@@conallomahoney9311 I'm a Baha'i. This chanel has a pretty decent video explaining it you wanted to take a look 🙂
@@nire135 Lost.
@@bcalvert321 ?
@@nire135 You are lost. Going to hell unless you make Jesus your Savior and Lord. You do that by asking Jesus to forgive yours and repenting of them. Jesus is not one of many ways. He is the only way.
The psychedelic mushroom theory was first popularised by an English academic called John Allegro through his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross. It brought him both popular fame and notoriety, and also destroyed his career.
He also worked on the dead Sea scrolls and was very important in popularising them as well as translating some of them, including the copper scroll.
He's a really interesting guy.
An unusual career indeed
It’s the tree.
The psychadelic mushroom theory is interesting because Jesus is known for preaching love, and people who take psychadelic drugs report having a feeling of love for everybody. Also, herbs/drugs/vegetation also points to the cross, which is a symbolic tree, as well as Jesus' body being bread and his blood being wine/grapes. Other so-called "dying-rising gods" are also associated with vegetation/herbs/drugs, such as the Ugaritic god Baal Hadad being resurrected as fruit; the Sumerian god Dumuzi and the cedar tree; the Egyptian god Osiris and the acacia tree, barley, and wheat; the Phoenician god Adonis and the anemone flower and red poppies (which in turn associate him with opium); the Phrygian god Attis and almonds and pomegranates; the Hittie god Telipinu and the oak tree; the Norse god Balder and the oak tree and mistletoe; the Greek god Dionysus and wine/grapes, pomegranates, and the pine tree; the Greek god Hyacinthus and the Hyacinth flower; the Roman mythology hero Pyramus and the mulberry tree; the Irish god Miach and "365 herbs". There is also the Slavic god Jarilo (although I'm not sure if he is associated with any particular herb or plant).
@@tothboy01 No Jesus taught remission, reptence, and resurrection from sin. He preached the cross. Out of love. Not preaching 'love'.
No wonder Mario likes mushrooms.
as a christian, this was a truly interesting and fascinating videos. i have always looked for sources to debunk or argue the existence of christ, but they are always biased and sometimes even straight up disrespectful. thanks for this!
You could check out Nabil Qureshi. I believe he has a channel on youtube. His research about Christianity gives a lot of insight and you have room for further research.
Also why we can’t find remains or material or Jesus is because he’s in heaven. Every other god or prophet can be found and has a grave sight. I see only Christianity getting hate these days, but any other religion, I see nothing but ppl respecting it. That’s enough to tell you that God is real.
@@morbincentral3607 Excellent TROLLING.
@@morbincentral3607 Um..I have news for you...look up the church of the holy Sepulchre...
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!*
Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!!
Philippians 2:5-8
As a non-believer i’m so happy that i can find a video that’s unbiased and can give a clear awnser without sounding biased towards a particular side.
As someone who no longer holds fundamentalist Christian beliefs, I'm trying to learn more about the history of the Bible, how it was made (because humans/men wrote it), what was excluded/included and why, etc. This was informative. Thank you!
@Greg LeJacques
why are you running away When someone pushes a child to avoid being run over by the train! And if you die yourself, it's not a human sacrifice!
@Greg LeJacques Where is your Argument? Playing dum. is not an Argument?
@Greg LeJacques Where is your Argument?
Again! why are you running away When someone pushes a child to avoid being run over by the train! And if you die yourself, it's not a human sacrifice!
@Greg LeJacques Again! why are you running away When someone pushes a child to avoid being run over by the train! And if you die yourself, it's not a human sacrifice!
Your videos are really beautiful. Calm, considered, respectful and intelligent
As a Chief from an uncontacted tribe , I found this to be very interesting, informative, educational, and amazing.
@mytwocentswdawnya2645I gave him one
Sure buddy
@@djafshin4468 You gave him the phone? I love the way you utilise my product!
Haha good one
As a body with out a head I agree
As a non-Christian I found myself crying to this film. I don't know why, but I found incredibly emotional to watch..
I absolutely adore these videos. I've always wanted to learn about the abrahamic religions from an unbiased source, supported by unbiased scholarly bibliography.
And your sure this is the place for you to find unbiased info?
@@justinsmart5870 it doesn't get much more unbiased than this
@@Celebrimbor965 how so? One person as a source is quite bias
@@justinsmart5870 who said we were only using this guy for info?
@@Celebrimbor965 not me! Simply explained this source isn’t unbiased, like every source lol, that’s why I agree it’s important to take information from multiple sources of different biases
as always with many of your vids, I'm gonna use this for my Youth group so they get an academic critical thinking view of Jesus, perfect for this Lenten season, awesome work!
Love for my work to be a source of education! Thanks!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. . . .
.. ....
Stop lying and brainwashing children.
I just want to say that I thoroughly enjoy your channel. It's very difficult to find an unbiased, academic source when discussing religion, and I think you do a fantastic job of presenting religion in a scholarly way. Cheers.
Anyone who claims there is historical evidence of Jesus is lying.
@@CalebBerman That is mythology. No shred of evidence he even existed. You can think what you want but nothing you said is provable. It is wishful thinking based on an accident of birth. If you were born in a different part of the world you would be talking about some other mythological fantasy land.
@Ray Pellerin - Real or not you will find out after you die. And if you don't believe you will spend eternity in the lake of fire. But hey ya can tell the devil I said hi 👋.
christians really are the most hypocritical people.
Ur the first guy to not feel the need to say what ur good at and how that makes him good too😭
Just a small correction. There is no such thing as year 0. The "Christian"-based calendar begins with year 1. So it goes from 1 B.C. directly to 1 A.D.
The mosaic from Haghia Sophia at 17:16 is such an amazing piece of medieval art!
Great summary of what the consensus among historians is as well.
Hagia*
Its Byzantine Art.
@Sanctus Paulus 1962 Medieval art is considered the western art and Byzantine as the eastern.And Byzantine art is much older.
@@ΟΟύτις nbbss
From the style, the figures in front of a gold background, it is presumably from around the 9th century (this mosaic) and so YES, It is early middle ages.art.
I'm here because of Useful Charts
I may not be here at all. Or, I may be a mushroom.
So am I!
Same
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
@@mitchellc4 that's trippy as shit, dude. Starting to look more seriously at the whole mushroom hypothesis.
As a Cthulhu and cosmic abomination , I found this to be very interesting and informative.
there is only one cthulhu the great old one
Cthulu will rise again
@@AnthonyDoesTH-cam 💀
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
I do not detect much dwelling in madness.
I've been binge watching a few of your docs but have now subscribed after you mentioned useful charts! I have loved their channel for years and it's always been an odd fascination of mine so knowing you're collaborating with them to make even MORE insane content makes me happy! Amazing!
The music and the pictures give it such a spooky vibe. Early Christianity is such a mystery
Its easy
🔺 1+1+1=1
😅
@@dr.2k223 no, It’s 3 in 1.
read the books of st clementine, st augustine, and u will get a good idea .... for historical perspective, read eusebius's history on early christianity .....
Early Christianity is known as Jewish Christianity
@@mathewjose4753 Early christianity was the real religion worshipping the only one god wich the prophet jesus the son of the virgin mary carried it’s message he told everyone one that he is god’s messenger and he worship him too he is not his son
His majesty the almighty lord but the romans after jesus went up beside god they cheated and corrupted the real religion they replaced all jesus teachings with their pagan beliefs …
Now THAT is a collab worthy of respect!
Great video and very unbiased
Oh, you are popular, let me get the first reply.
wtf u doin here?
Omg it's Brian from the bay, White boy entertainment
Sure, unbiased at all… just spreading disinformation. And will be reported as such to Google.
Very very clear presentation. A pleasure to listen. Thankyou.
I'm Catholic but I'm trying to investigate more about faith and other religions just to learn and know more. This research was great 😃 thanks for being unbiased and clear, it's refreshing
Don't just stop at Ur faith, investigate Islam too. They claim that all religions are from god and Christianity is connected directly to it. Cheers !
As a Catholic who converted to Muslim who renounced Judaism embraced Native American culture then reconverted back to Catholicism briefly and am now a Hindu .. I have to agree
@@cleo5079 I've been also investigating Islam on the surface, I used to have lots of prejudices against it but I'm glad I'm breaking those prejudices for it is rich and wise. However I don't understand the context of Muhammad the prophet, the Messiah was announced centuries before Jesus was born, but Muhammad came out of nowhere without announcements in a very convenient way. I also don't see a way of defending polygamy, and the Quran denying Jesus death, which is a point every other religion and even atheist agree on, makes me difficult to consider Islam a possibility of truth. But thanks for encouraging me, it does help!
@@crischiva1936and don’t forget muhhamad also married a 6 year old who played with dolls
@@cleo5079no thanks i dont like pedophiles
Top notch. Your eloquence and scholarly awareness is next level.
That`s very far from the truth. This is not reliable info, you can find much better channels with correct info other places on youtube.
I’m pretty sure most historians believe Muhammad and Jesus existed while David and Solomon are semi historical and the others are pretty iffy.
Great video as always
Pretty much!
@@LetsTalkReligion it seems to me that historians believe Muhammad existed, the Quran he taught is the same one existing, but do not believe that the Quran is the word of God.
Thanks for the video, I do learn a lot from your videos, and others who provide history on civilization and science of evalution.
There’s more evidence for the existence of the Budha (Sidhartha Gautama), who lived 5 centuries before, than the existence of Jesus.
@@bearcb That might be correct, I don't know enough to really say, but why does that matter? It has nothing to do with the existence of Jesus and what we can say we know about him
@@zoeanaam.6996 Actually I'm reiterating the universal perception of historians. My belief in the Quran is strengthen by its scientific facts that are beyond human knowledge in the ancient era. Tq brother 👍🏾
by far your best video, I keep coming back to it every other month 👏
One big problem with the josephus testimony if one part was alter who's to say the whole thing was not altered. It's a easy thing to replace one man's name with another or to imply one man is related to another. Tempered with evidence will always be suspect.
When he was going over that part, the exact same conclusion occurred to me.
A Gospel, is a God Spell.
Because that one part physically looks like it is altered. Ie it literally looks like you smushed in a word between other words. If you were going to bullshit the whole thing, you’d probably not have to squeeze words in
@@joegibbskins It may look like that to you but, you don;t speak English Proper. I do. You are a Deaf Phoenician and are stuck with a Def-inition and no etymology or phonics.
@@joegibbskins If you intend to gain intelligence, you are going to need to practice English Proper. Always check the etymology and listen to and Add Hear. You will need to split the words and find the Aryan Root.
Absolutely loved the way you explained the cautionary tales from the Bible. It adds a depth to the message and encourages us to reflect on our own choices. Truly enlightening! ✨
Yes sometimes too young making choices no one should be in their downloaded hell
This is one of the best videos I have seen on this subject. Great delivery and non biased approach!
hats toff to your efforts and knowledge. you just got another subscriber
I appreciate this video so much. It was an unbiased approach and presented in such a scholarly way. I was raised Christian and have always had questions of the existence of Jesus. Please continue to have these conversations because it’s healthy to make sense of historical figures and their validity.
This is not a scholarly debate about the existence or lack thereof of Jesus. There are plenty of scholars who point out that stories similar to Jesus and his purported life actually existed for hundreds of years before Jesus was alleged to have been born. Where are the historical references to show this much earlier history from which the "myth" of Jesus could well have evolved from.
@@coreyham3753 Corey Ham, you are very confused 😂
@@ifeanyichukwu3644 Really? No nearly as confused as you religious fanatics.
@@coreyham3753 Here's something interesting for you to consider.
If I were to tell you a story about a British ocean liner that sank in the month of April in the North Atlantic Ocean because it hit an iceberg. That many passengers lost their lives due to the limited amount of lifeboats. That its name is spelled T-I-T-A-N-
What ocean liner would you think I'm talking about?
If your first guess was the Titanic, I'm afraid you'd be wrong.
I was referencing the Titan, the fictional ocean liner from Morgan Robertson's The Wreck of the Titan, written 14 years before the very real, historically tragic events of the RMS Titanic.
Now imagine if people 2,000 years from now looked at both accounts and wrote off the Titanic as just another copy or rehash of the older, seemingly similar account of the Titan.
This should give you an idea of how I view the "accounts of Jesus is a copy of (insert other mythical figure's name here)" or the Jesus Myth Theory in general.
@@ellied4088 An interesting story. But it is pretty easy to view both stories, Titan vs Titanic, from an evidence based viewpoint. There are tens of thousands of evidence based facts about the Titanic vs a fictional novel. Granted that thousands of years ago there is scant evidence or records left today to make such a similar comparison. But to be honest, I am personally just not enough of a biblical or ancient times scholar (nor willing to spend the time to become so) to really have much of an informed opinion or conviction one way or the other. What I do find interesting is the debate discussion, and viewpoints of those "experts" who do have considerable knowledge abut the biblical times questions.
Very good job. Just one small thing: there is no year zero. After 1 BC comes 1 AD.
Thank you for that information. I didn't know that and checked before I started quoting that and it is most certainly true.
Clearly they didnt consult a hindu when counting
Hail Satan
Archangelo
Hail satan
Welcome Year Zero
-the band Ghost
Yes and Jesus was likely born between 8-4 BC
Yes jesus born just like the human. He is one of the best human ever lived. He is a messenger of God.
It doesn't befit Ila god to have Son.
"Excuse me Sir, do you have a moment to talk about the psychedelic and enlightened mushroom, Jesus Christ?"
*forgive me God for I've laughed at this
"Revelations" was clearly a byproduct of a malfunctioning primate brain, isolation in a island cave, and shrooms.
I am interested...
@@JamesRichardWiley Ancient people were so ignorant they had no idea where dreams come from. They thought dreams were spirits or gods trying to talk to them in their sleep and the reason they were confusing was because gods were so advanced that only a few humans could understand what they were saying. They thought the same about hallucinogens and schizophrenia. The book of Revelations came from the Magi, the same tribe of people who would instigate the Jesus story a thousand years later. They were magicians, astrologers, specialist in dreams and enemies of Rome.
@@aysenur6761 Türk Hristiyan mısın?
Good channel. you talk or debate about religion without biases
Great video. Thanks for the very open-minded exploration of these questions. As to the existence of Jesus, it seems that those who deny his existence entirely, claiming that he is simply a fabricated character no more "real" than Batman, have a much more difficult thesis to support than those who accept his existence regardless of how the meaning of his life might be defined. As to "who" he was, that shall forever remain a mystery just as the "true identity" of each of us is irreducibly mysterious and can never be captured by any set of beliefs.
Nope. To put it bluntly, all Christians have to back up their faith is "Some unknown guy pulled a claim out of his ass". You have ZERO corroboration for any of these stories, and all you can do is repeat ridiculous claims from unknown cult members and logical fallacies. Liars can claim anything, and “Fools will believe anything” (Prov. 14:15, New Century Version), but liars and fools can't present actual EVIDENCE that their claims are true, which is why you can’t. All you have are absurd stories by anonymous cult members in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, that promises magical poison-resistance to believers: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead!
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. ..
@@Gamefan86 😂
@@Gamefan86 😂😂🤣🤣
@@Gamefan86 Then how do you explain the Gospel? If it isn't God's word, how has it survived 2000 years? Why did the apostles give their lives for a fable? And most importantly, has the sun given everything, its Throne in Heaven, its immortality as God, humbled itself to a servant, and given its Life to save THE VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO KILLED HIM from their sin?
When I was still in school, my history teacher told me that we have a lot of evidence for a man named Jesus. Nothing is to say that he was a savior, or the son of god, but there definitely was a man thousands of years ago who happened to be named Jesus
Um no. His real his was Yeshua. No such thing as "Jesus" in the Hebrew language.
And if were were to translate Yeshua to English. This name would be Joshua.
Okay well if someone told you there's lots of evidence then it must be true
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. ..
Nope, he is a completely made up personified sun figure.
When translated from Greek, it translates to Jesus and a lot of the New Testament was written in Greek
As an agnostic I found this video very interested, impartial, which is good because you always hear atheists and theists talking about this kind of thing but they always add their opinion and that makes the information not impartial.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. ..
As an atheist, i have no doubt this man existed and was probably crucified under Pilot. He is one of the most influential people in human history. Just dont believe he was the son of the invisible sky man.
Thanks for the great video with such a balanced and well-expounded narration. I am not a Christian myself and trained as a medical scientist. By my own reasoning would tell me Jesus is most likely a historical figure with great charisma and influence especially after his untimely passing since there have been tens and hundreds of writings and gospels written about this person, or his close relatives and disciples, or about his apocalyptic/prophetic records/teachings that make him as a central figure mushrooming within the 100-300 years. You just can't regard it as a random event. This rising literature and disciples who could even sacrifice themselves for this religion must be triggered by a special event centered on a person. More or less similar phenomena also occurred at the early formation of Buddhism after the passing of the Buddha, or of Islam after the death of the prophet Mohammad.
If it says so in a book with a talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, written by anonymous, biased members of a death cult, then it MUST be a reliable source?!! *SUCKER* - “a person who believes everything they are told and is therefore easy to deceive” - Cambridge Dictionary
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I love your reasonable and measured take.
I would say that Christ's followers themselves believed that they had seen him risen from the dead, which is different from the followers of Buddha and Mohammad; those followers trusted the words of Buddha/Mohammad.
@@briggy4359 How would you know what Christ's followers believed? Were you there? What's your source of information on this? Oh right---anonymously-written manuscripts (see 'fallacy of anonymous authority') dated hundreds of years after the supposed events that are filled with proven fiction, forgery and fraud. Correct? Regarding Buddha, "Indeed, whatever the facts might be, the life of the Buddha as it comes down to us is largely fabrication." - The Myth of the Historical Buddha. And regarding Muhammad, we can trust what some unknown scribes claim that other people claimed that Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel told him in a cave that Allah said, right? LOL!
I think you can actually regard it as a random event that got extremly popular due to the circumstances. People at the time were either tired of believing what others forced them to or just saw christianity as a superior religion due to it being only 1 omnipotent god instead of multiple(simpler religion) and the stories surrounding it. It's safe to assume if it was today it would just be considered another cult that no one paid attention. Regarding the disciples who sacrificed themselves, you can also see that in those same cults nowadays. People will give away all they got and themselves to the cult churches with no central event to it.
This guy is good. He doesn't appear to have an axe to grind one way or the other. Good scholarship.
I disagree
@@kofiamankwa9258 why?
The real Jesus was the friends we made along the way...
@@HeddvildNo 😭 waa waaa
Mmm, seems to me if the evidence for a Jesus was real we'd have found something more than guesswork and conjecture by now..after all other people from this time can be cross referenced with other sources? You struggle to get unbiased information as to if he indeed existed like Christians believe, wether he was a wise man who died and rose again? Bit of a stretch of the emagination that one? It seems to me if you're indoctrinated from an early age its hard to be unbiased in later life, teach ALL religions at an adult age and see how many still believe! ...incidentally I'm a critical thinker and consequently an ex Christian, ..
@Mohdezher Derweshkhel and that is??
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As a human, I need food, shelter, water, oxygen, and social interaction to survive. This video is refreshing because you talked about stuff that everyone talks about, but you talked about the stuff differently. I especially like where you said "It's Jesus Time" right before you Jeezed. It amazing to see the civil comment section that TH-cam censors. No matter what planet you're from, we all deserve pleasantness!
To me, this is the most interesting and intelligent thing that I have heard about Jesus.
Nupuqi Om-Re Khonectics chamber degrees will guide you
@Horshu Jesus is a dead character from a silly book
@@Nathouuuutheone He really did live and saved the world from sin! Please just try to understand. For I live by faith not sight! God bless you!
@@anonymouscreator3617 living by sight is bad. Living by faith is worse.
Live by logic, honesty, stuff like that. It's much better.
@@Nathouuuutheone As a whole, the Bible is difficult to read and can seem silly. Though I would say there is some stuff worth looking at. Same with the Quran and other scripture.
This felt like the first episode of a series - more of an overview than a comprehensive review.
For a layperson like me who has studied - with many limitations - about the historical Jesus, this channel brilliantly summarized most of what I have read or watched about this topic :) - Mark J., Philippines
but number 1 of the greatest leader still muhammad according to historian from christian .
@@kingmelon1367 what!?
First time i have seen someone add his name on the bottom of his youtube comment, as if it were some intellectually powerful quote ->important for generations to come< and as if your name wasn't already visible anyway.
@King Melon - Muhammad was a pedophile. He married a 9 yr old girl. They didn't concemate the marriage until she was 12 yrs old. So yeah I don't think he's in Heaven.
@kingmelon1367put you mohammed you know where..
After many years of honest and respectful doubt, it appears that the old Firesign Theater's comical description was probably the most accurate: " The Church of the Presumptuous Assumption of the Blinding Light."
I like how the methodology of scholarship and historical writing is explained given available evidence.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. . . .
.. ....
As someone who is sorta unsure of his faith, this video was very interesting. I appreciate the way you tackled a subject that can result in a lot of controversy, and I think everyone else in the comments can agree on that.
If you seek out the Lord, you will find him.
Keep asking questions and find your own answers
@@josephhuggins5394 Prove it! "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), “Whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). If any of that were true, you’d simply pray for Jesus to appear to you RIGHT NOW, and post the result to TH-cam! But you know Jesus will NEVER appear because the authors of the gospel tales were proven liars. Praying to Jesus is no different than praying to Zeus, Odin, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or to any other fictional character in a book. All Christians can do is make pathetic excuses for why this NEVER works, despite the bible’s promises. *FACTS*
1) If Jesus was real, and a god, he COULD appear to you, or to anyone.
2) He supposedly appeared to others in ancient stories that we have no evidence for (Acts 1:3).
3) Jesus supposedly promised that believers would “receive whatever you ask for in prayer” (Matt 21:22).
4) Regardless how much you pray or ask...Jesus won't appear.
The most likely explanation for the above? Jesus won’t appear because he CAN’T. Fictional literary characters can't hear prayers or do anything in real life.
ask your higher self
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. .
Okay, commenting on this video. I know youtube is going to recommend this video after 12 years..
What do you mean?
@@bosbanon3452 he’s saying hello to future viewers
I doubt it. those kind of videos don't get recommended like that
Prolly
Robert I Really Should Tell The Truth
Mushrooms can allow one to experience Christ consciousness temporarily, but because we have been corrupted with Sin we can not stay there, we eventually will fall back into our corrupted ego. Jesus being God, stayed in Christ consciousness.
And without them
As Jesus, I find this video very informative
This one killed me
Bruh the audacity
Guess I didn’t need to watch the full video to get the answer
Blasphemy!!
@@nomad1286 exactly.. these people are nuts
Your Arabic pronunciation of Muhammad and rouh-Allah are spot on. Great work man
Yea, I noticed too, it's amazingly good
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I have photos of him $29.99
He pronounced muhammad like anyone else does.
@@accidentalpatient4152 Impressive for a white guy
I love his videos. He makes it so easy to follow even the most complicated events of History and religion. Very knowledgeable and impressive. Thank you.
***True love = the love of God!*** God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being Philippians 2:5-8
All religions presented themselves as Llies when they denied Jesus his sacrifice!
God is holy and therefore inevitably always righteous. So God can never be merciful, gracious, because grace is not justice and therefore is wrong! A holy God can only be holy if he Never does wrong !! So Fact is without Jesus his SACRIFICE out of love for us we would all be lost! Only YHWH is not lying when he says he is HOLY and merciful! Who is YHWH equal? Exactly no one!!
JESUS gave himself as a sin offering !! A pure life for a life !! Because we have to be holy = without guilt otherwise God will judge us fair and just !! Jesus is YHWH and thus the Creator of everything and thus has the weight to wash the whole creation clean with these pure lives (Blood) !! God bless you
@Uploading Truth
Where is your argument against my stated fact?
Because God is holy in all religions=, he cannot be graceful in the Jugment !! So God always has to judge righteously in order to be holy !!! Does he not judge righteously! he would judge injustice and he would be unholy !! Grace is not fair because it is a gift that you do not deserve! If you had earned it, it would not be grace but justice !! So a holy God cannot be mercyful when he is juding !! So Fact is without Jesus his sacriefice, it doesn't work !!
@Uploading Truth
1 Timothy 2, 3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Why do we pronounce it 'Nosis' (leaving the "G" silent) when we pronounce its opposite 'Ag-nosis'? Shouldn't we either pronounce the first "G'nosis" or the second "A-nosis"?
Gnosis is the correct.
I wasn't religious prior. But it was reading through critical texts like these that led me to become a believer and embrace faith. Some nonbelievers end up as believers such as me, while I've got believing friends which ended up more agnostic, or nonbelievers becoming more nonreligious. It is compelling, I can tell you all that.
Well, there's everything for everyone. I'm an agnostic atheist since 13 or so, i read mostly science, but i'm very interested in religion. I've read the whole bible (some books several times), the Nag-Hammadi library, the Dead sea scrolls, tons of patristics, tons of apocrypha, the Qur an, and much more... I'm currently reading the Mahabharat (11th section by now). Nothing in this vídeo is new to me. Yes, i've read Josephus' Opera Omnia and Tacitus, Suetonius... And the more i read, the more i see human wishes and expectations in them. To each his own, i guess.
@@antoniorocha3967 As you, I’ve read about many faiths, the Qur’an, Alan Watts and some early hindu and Islamic texts, even books on perrenialism and traditioanlism (although not to the degree you described). As you say, one can argue that many of the spiritual “feelings” humans well... feel, can be felt in many religions. But feelings is at many times useless in understanding whether something is true or not. Mythos without Logos is void, and be it that truth must be unitary, as far as I can tell only a christian world view combines both the secular abstract logic uncaused cause God and the mythical and historical God. Mythical in the metaphysical and symbolic sense, and historical its presence throughout human history.
@LCJ Goossens don’t go down the rabbit hole. Religion is interesting to study because of its historical and cultural importance, however is it simply all mythology. Only trust sources that can be proven by science, facts, and reasoning, and can be changed or proven wrong by future discoveries.
@Faisal Siraj You beat absolutely nothing. You are simply a pawn of the church which has brainwashed you into denial of facts and reasoning. The scientific and historical methods are the only way to accurately study the universe, not blind faith in ancient collections of texts that cannot be proven true.
@Faisal Siraj Islam came 600 years after Jesus so Islam is false.
Thanks for this great video. As a Christian it’s great to hear a neutral perspective. I’ve learnt a lot
True love = the love of God!
*God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being*
Philippians 2:5-8
@Greg LeJacques ??? you are off topic! you just make a logical error
@Greg LeJacques where is your Argument? you just running away again!
@Greg LeJacques again! You just running away
the sooner you get that jesus was a devil in disguise and the sooner you reach enghlitement. jesus just want you to for you are born for one reason ! accept jesus in your heart and suffer as he suffered so it is the only way for you to escape demons and gremlins monsters and hellfire that burn ! god can't go on earth in a magnificent beautiful form ! he need to impregnante a simple human woman so a second 100% humanified god can be born ! jews will betray him and romans will execute the order of the jews ! but fear not ! cause this simple execution is in reality all the sins of the world that jesus carry on his cross while he is crusified ! he is not put to death because the romans sentenced him. but because he somehow magically extinguished sin by dying. god is so much great and so smart and love you so much that he sent his son to die without letting him ask his choice "father why have you forsaken me" but somehow his death is magical and save ! read john-13 he still is god ! and in christ we trust ! cause in christ we are saved ! revelations will come and they will all go to hell exept the elected ! that how esus ret*rded logic is. stop considering him as an incarnation of vishnu. nowaday hinduism is shit
Your channel and Religion for Breakfast are so amazing! Religious studies is such a cool field, and your all’s videos make it super interesting for everyone! Keep up the good work man
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. . . .
.. .... ...
I am most surprised by the heading on top of the manuscript that appears at about 18:05.
Is there really an ancient manuscript that has the heading or title APOKRYFON?
Where can I read more about it? Is the text online somewhere?
@Let'sTalkReligion
Thats called Apocryphon of John from the Nag Hammadi Codex written in approx 185 AD. You can find translations online with any search engine.
As a Polythymethion Frog Disciple, this video was a great unbiased opinion, thank you for this.
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***True love = the love of God!*** God himself went to the cross for you out of love for you as a human being Philippians 2:5-8
Real
@@hannawurst6064 Funny how God knew the Lucifer was going to be castered out in hell!
@@hannawurst6064
What does that mean "God" himself went to the cross? I believe the man Yah'shua physically died on the cross. Do you believe The LORD God, Yah Elohim, died on the cross?
12:45: If the text was tampered with by a later Christian writer, why assume the two references to Jesus were there in the text at all to begin with? They could have been complete insertions.
Considering the same group who "copied" the only versions we have of those texts were also the ones who found the True Cross, Jesus' grave and tunic... The culprit was almost certainly Eusebius of Caesarea, who wrote a hagiography of the enthusiastic convert and Emperor, Constantine. It reads like a Christian creed. To then cherry pick the bits that Josephus could have written, possibly...
It is possible they were inserted, but one would have expected a lot more ancient sources would have then been tampered with, and there be many more mentions of Jesus. The fact there are so few indicates that each of the authors did mention Jesus.
@@brontewcat Josephus was one of the most widely read histories. Christian apologists did not really care about most of the pagan historians.
@@pattheplanter Maybe - but there is no reason to think the mentions are totally fabricated. Particularly as other writers such as Tacitus refer to him.
@@brontewcat Tacitus mentioned Christians and their beliefs. Everything he said about "Christus" seems to be from Christian sources. If he existed, Jesus would not have been known as "Christus" until some time after his supposed death. Christians were well-known by Tacitus's time. There is no reason to believe the mentions in Josephus are not totally fabricated.
Really appreciate your erudite and thoughtful expositions. Your love for your subject shines through, you are obviously a person of deep reflection, compassion and great intellect to be so engaged and inspired by the great thinkers of so many different belief systems. Would love to hear more of the Beguines and their intellectual and theological leaders😊
@@the1_MatthiasGray
Not exactly. He concludes that there are people that concluded that the Christ is a mushroom. Today I would say some people will use Ayahuasca instead of mushrooms and claim to have the Christ spirit. Not that far fetched at all.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. . . .
.. .... ... ...
God bless you for this topic.
The problem with the second Josephus quote is that if part of it was tampered with, the whole thing could have been.
EXCELLENT !!! EXCELLENT !!!! Short and sweet - yet very thorough . Hitting all of the important points in the idea of Jesus. Thank you .
I know that JESUS is real! HE has answered so many of my prayers.i do have many questions that I'd love to have answers to.the one thing that I do know that JESUS IS REAL!! I don't know how it all happened, but it happened.
@@bonniedavis7355This cannot be more honest said than it is He is after all Miracle worker. What is the question that bothers you the most?
Being a muslim , really appreciating both , the comment section vibes & the video information. Superb Work. 🌟
from a non muslim... peace be upon you
@@jahjahjah213 from a muslim peace be upon you too
@@JudeMalachi from a muslim , Assalamualaikum
Don't beat your wife today just because some ancient religious nuts claimed that a pedophile claimed that the angel Gabriel claimed that God said you should: "But those wives from whom you fear arrogance - first advise them; then if they persist, forsake them in bed; and finally, strike them” Quran 4:34.
Allhumdillila
How many biblical scholars do you think hold secular views?
I’d wager far fewer than those who are believers.
Might that affect the perception of Christ’s historicity?
You my friend have earned my respect as one of the most important people on the planet and I say that the fact that when I read the comments I see people from other religions coming together doing their best to understand each other so this TH-cam channel and your other friends by esoterica and such to a really really incredible job knowledge is power
As a Christian I appreciate Videos like these. They challenge our faith and they make us think. Keep up the good work man
challenge is right.
Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic.
He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.
The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"
The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"
The sun is "The light of the World"
The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.
"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.
Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.
The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.
The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.
The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe.
In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
Jesus is a fictional allegory for the sun. Christianity is ancient astrology. It's just fables about the sun.
Check out Acharya S aka D.M Murdock for more info. ..
@@Gamefan86 I assume you haven't read Bible at all..
@@mohanbro22 he makes a great point. all religions work this way.
@@TrevDawgRS he has not read Bible.
I am more drawn to the idea of God and Jesus by these kind of historical analysis, than I do by listening to many talking from inside a church.
Watching this once again on Christmas to refresh my Christian lore.
Before I declared and became a Baha’i I read so much about Moses, Jesus and Muhammad in the Baha’i writings. There is so much eye opening information that makes you realise that certain events were symbolic or even exaggerated by the writers. Please read ‘Some Answered Questions’.
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Hi! I am Muslim and also a graduate student in History, centering around Religion and Ritual Studies. I discovered your channel about a week ago and listening to you takes me back to when I started gaining interest in my current field, and I appreciate the amount of care you take in researching and presenting scholarships. It is an example I can strive towards. Thank you!
How do you know which words are from God and which are from the deceiver, Lucifer/Satan, the angel of light? If light can deceive you, how do you discern God? There is a God who cannot lie, and another god who is fathers all lies. Both are light. How then do you distinguish the True and Greater Light which rules the Day from the Lesser light which rules the night?
@@steelmilkjug we belive the man who deliver the message 1400 years ago , his name was Muhamed and he says : “I am only a man like you, ˹but˺ it has been revealed to me that your God is only One God. So whoever hopes for the meeting with their Lord, let them do good deeds and associate none in the worship of their Lord.”
@@ukleth Thank you for your reply. The difference is Jesus and Peter and Paul, Apostles of the One God, had miraculous signs of healing and other miracles confirming they were sent by God. And men tried to worship them, but they said "Do not worship us". Now Muhammed has no miracles. If the One God is Inside Muhammed, like He is inside Jesus, Peter, and Paul, and all the Holy Prophets and Apostles, then why does Muhammed have no signs God is inside Him working? The One True God is INSIDE all His Holy Prophets and Apostles.
@@steelmilkjug the miracle do not proof your are from god or not .
Because jesus says that even the anti christ could do miracle .
The main proof that most muslim belive in mohamed not the magic miracle he perform , but a book that have 114 chapter that no human in earth could write it from his mind .
Funny that u study history and still a muslim. Daamn.
Thank you, as Jesus Christ, this was very insightful and non-biased. I can’t wait to see what you do next with your videos!
Jesus Christ it's you!
Go to your bedroom Jesus
*The ETERNAL GOD would do anything for you!!*
Even out of love for you he went to the cross as a human!!
Philippians 2:5-8
@@hannawurst6064 idk about that
hey jesus
It doesn't matter to one jot at all about what the religion has become, it's so much more interesting to learn more about the world they lived in then; how they understood it and the nature of their society and beliefs etc. It would be most interesting to learn how much in common we have more than differences. Thank you for a lovely interview ❤️
Really Really enjoyed this gripping and chilled explanation of Christ Jesus in historical form..blessings
It is rare to see any reference to Jesus that calls into question any text or actually puts him into an historical and sociological context. I was pleased to see that you did a great job in such a short video.
In my opinion he did not go far enough in questioning the validity of some "proofs."
@@magdlynstrouble2036 Indeed it was rather too anxious to present him as a real historical figure.
For an argument from absence, none of the critics of early Christianity made the argument that Jesus of Nazareth never existed. The flat statement that Christians were following a purely fictional character is apparently a much later claim, and not one made in antiquity.
The critics didn't need to make the claim that he didn't exist because he didn't. When the new testament was written it was backdated in order to make Jesus' prophecies appear to come true. People were worshipping a character who they believed had existed.