*Chapters* 00:00:00 What Is Tata Curvv 00:03:31 Tata Nexon Curvv 00:05:33 Design 00:10:00 Pricing 00:10:47 Driving the Curvv 00:13:30 Infotainment Updates 00:15:20 AVAS ki Awaaz 00:18:19 ADAS Level 2 00:23:40 Suspension Comfort 00:26:40 Design 00:28:05 Handling 00:31:26 Range 00:37:47 The Small Details 00:41:52 Quality 00:45:20 Normal for Tata 00:49:55 Are Fixes Coming? 00:52:43 Buy A Curvv? 00:56:12 New Key 00:57:28 Quick Summary 01:02:22 Closing Comments *Explore MotorInc memberships* at youtube.com/@motorinc/join
Closing comments, location of ventilated seat switch & V2L switch, and old style wiring harnesses in vehicles which share commonalities with ICE vehicles which still have not progressed to bus-bars. So vanity or otherwise features like a "shark-fin" antenna on the roof gets a long wire and a hole in the roof, likewise the rear windscreen washer gets a long water hose and wire making multiple holes - but some other features vanity or otherwise meet the bean counters who say "fewer holes and shorter wires please". Which is why electricians like doorbells near the door itself and not somewhere near the back of the house. But then again, you got to remember, the Currv EV was intended for people who take their dog or dogs along. What were they thinking when they designed that back seat?
We can disable the sound of notification in nexon max as well as punch ev. So the functionality to switch it on/off might be enabled in nexon ev Face-lift as well as curvv ev. And Yes the sound is annoying.
Adding few more points where Kartik says "This is normal" for my Tata Altroz. 1) My infotainment system would just hang once in a while and android auto/carplay would not detect a device when connected. Got it checked at the Service center and they said "This is normal" and they updated software version and the issue was fixed. 2) Once in a while, although rare but my car just would just not detect the accelerator pedal when starting it fresh for the day, I would then turn ignition off and restart, post which car would act normal. Got it checked at the service center and they again said "This is normal" and we need to update the sequencing code for the DCA gearbox which should fix the issue. This is my 10 month old car and if they are able to fix it with great ease which would indicate that they have known these issue for sometime now. Question is why would they not fix it when manufacturing when they have already collated these repetitive issues Don't get me wrong I just did 1100 kms of long drive couple of days back and I was like this car is simply amazing at so many things, if and this is a big 'IF', they can sort this issues out they can really push 7/10 experience to 9/10. One final thing where you hit nail on its head, more then your experience with the car in itself your experience with the brand TATA is nose diving with these sort of quality and service center issues.
I have a, what trolls on the internet call, "tin ka dubba", its been 8 years now and I haven't had to change so much as a light bulb. Get my service done regularly, 1 year or 10,000 km, and I'm so so happy with my Baleno. I have shared my Tata Indica Turbo DLG experience on this platform earlier. 😂😂 I'm swore never to touch a Tata car again after that.
Regarding Maruti. I am currently driving a WagonR. 3 years and 90K Kms done. Zero complains. Just fill the tank and drive with occasional tyre pressure check. Servicing is also hassle free. I am very busy and can't take my vehicle to service centre twice a year for routine servicing ( not accounting for unforeseen incidents in Tata). The car is a car to go to places and Maruti does a tremendously good job. But in the back of my mind I am just hoping that maruti would also make safe cars... One more funny incident, a friend of mine who is a first time car buyer and has a Nexon petrol manual for 3 years now called me yesterday and shared one of his experiences. He drove a swift dezire manual for the first time (Maruti manual 1st time) and he was blown away with how smooth the car was (not brand new, one of our friend's car). As per him the gear shift was so smooth compared to Nexon that he thought it might be broken... 😂😂😂
@@shaktiswarupsarangi8130 I completely agree with you. Japanese cars are complete piece of mind. I too hope Maruti makes safer cars, safer structurally not just adding airbags to a flimsy frame.
Really nice stories about Tata. That reminds me of the story my friend says. He used to be an employee in Tata Motors in the analytics team. Like Karthik said, they know that the air con vents break, they know that their systems are glitchy, they know that their lock systems are not good (there are Harriers in which the outside door handles break). It is all in their data. He was in the analytics team and he did not even have to analyze it. It was just there. Their response was that it somebody else who is to be blamed. I have been an employee of Tata (not motors but the IT company) and I feel the culture is similar there as well. They are never willing to change and change comes only after a lot of fight and deliberation. Lot of times the change comes too late. This is the story of all Tata organization. I think they need to stop being scared of their mistakes. They need to own it and see how they can correct it.
I think after over a 100 years of operation, the Tata group is too much like a PSU company rather than a lean startup. I think they should really separate the EV division and bring in management and employees who operate in a startup-like environment.
@@sormazi I think they are already trying that but we need to realise that it's a big ship and it takes a lot of effort to steer it in a different direction. Especially if they are not used to it. I think their ship still has non assisted steering 🤣
@@sormazi hmm they are trying but the top management is from sister companies so getting decisions or direction through them becomes impossible resulting in the newer hiring frustrated leading to their eventual resignation
The "Normal for Tata" section hit really close to heart! I just can't recommend a Tata car to anyone in my friend circle. Personally, I faced a total failure of manual gearbox in Altroz Diesel at just 32000 kms. And the service advisor feedback- Sir machine hai, ho jaata hai! I hope someone in Tata Motors realizes that the gullibility of their customers will only last them a certain sales crest, after which, these experiences and word of mouth will certainly affect them adversely.
@@museycal so true I own a tigor the car itself is excellent but it's led down my the after sales, in the first year of owning the car. They never bothered to clean the ac filter and due to this it developed a small opening and this somehow resulted in the refrigerant leaking, the explanation was , the evaporator coil developed a crack due to the puncture in the AC filter. They changed it under warranty but then another issue came up due to this. The mileage dropped drastically, I used to get 16 to 17 in the city with how I drive but was getting between 10 to 12 and when I told tata service they said it's the way u drive saaaar and they looked at the clutch pedal and said saaar your clutch might be gone, I told them it's the problem with the AC the compressor never cuts off and car is always noisy they said sir AC doesn't affect the mileage your clutch is gone. Then fast forward to 1.5 years and constant struggles with the service centre about this issue, I decided to involve someone from tata motors. To solve this first they said sir Thermistor is faulty , they replaced it and it was working fine for 1 day then again same issues and after they changed my explanation valve. After 3 months because they were busy no wonder why. The issue with AC was that pressure between the low and high side where not equalising because of faulty expansion valve. I informed them about this , I told them for fact that this is the problem but no one bothered for a 1.5 years After involving tata motor , though my issue is resolved. But this could have been solved if they just listened to me or took the time to investigate. Apart from this I had issue with my battery. They never checked the water levels but my clutch is still fine😛 You give them the car to service hoping they will check and analyse if the cars are their own but I guess They just stop caring after the car is delivered. It's been like this for ages India. Anybody who asks me , "should I buy a tata car". I would say never.🫂
@@NotGivinMilkshakes Man, I had this exact issue in AC circuit of my Altroz. Seems like this may also be normal for Tata. But since my gearbox decided to commit hara-kiri, I was less bothered with the luxury like an AC! 😂
The thing I feel about the conversation of these two is it feels like both really doing what they love and talking about it and other journalists are just in another rat race of content and following the market only … thankful to both of u for these sensible conversations
As far as the quality levels are concerned, I agree with Karthik. A friend of mine had recently bought a Harrier, the facelifted version with fancy variant names. It had all the bells and whistles except for ADAS. He took us on a short ride and all of us were really impressed with the car. The size, the length , the quality of materials used etc etc. But the electronic niggles… oh man! While he was making a turn, the camera feed came up in the direction of the turn and the feed was literally frozen after a few seconds. A car went by and it didn’t register on the screen. Now since my friend was watching the road during the turn instead of the screen, so he didn’t notice it but I did. I just didn’t have the heart to tell him this because it was a brand new car and he was really beaming with happiness but it really burst my bubble of how awesome cars manufactured by Tata are. If I am spending that level of money especially for these features, I want those features to work reliably well especially something like a camera feed. Else I might as well pay Hyundai for their Creta. It maybe cheaper but they are offering an experience that just works.
@@PratikPishwe New feature loaded cars are like TV remote control with 50+ buttons that offer features that many barely are even aware of...leave alone use. The less digital bs.....more peace of mind....at least that's my view. Have owned a Fiat and a Chevy UVA in the past and they had the bare minimum of features compared to the frankly ridiculous features in current cars. I wish these car makers actually made cars to order and added JUST the features that the customer wants.... instead of forcing him to purchase the whole package.
Responsible journalists and tata fanbase has always supported tatas products but i don't think tata has done justice to all these efforts tata products are not comparable with global brands there are a lot of issues and the biggest reason for tatas ignorence is tata group's size itself in 90s mahindra knew that if they don't invest in engine technologies and if they don't improve their quality then they won't servive and then mahindra engines and there platforms improved a lot i am not saying that mahindra has no issues but what I am trying to say is even if tata motors starts to struggle tata group is always there to save them they never feel that they need to improve there engine quality and reliability and they never feel that there products quality and service should be world class I think tata's last few launches are example of what I am trying to say at one end you have mahindra I mean they have literally changed and improved the same platform with every single new launch the design and packaging is also different and improved and on the other hand you have curvv with nexon interiors harrier safari family look exteriors and less space then citroen basalt I mean come on yaar people have waited for this car for almost two years. I feel so bad for tata fanbase 😔
That's true for many Tata businesses. They are bankrolled by cash with Tata Sons or TCS. Tata has improved a lot, earlier I wont even consider now atleast I look for their car reviews. But "Dilli abhi door hai" contrary to what their fanbase thinks.
Entire TATA could feel shumi’s aura for the exponential number variants, that’s why this time they were scared, and fortunately the variants are countable now.
@@motorinc also can you revisit old gadgets episodes for a podcast for instance Kartikeya used his Poco F1 extensively for shooting a lot of walkaround videos
Dude, the stories you shared are exactly why I'm not even thinking about Tata cars right now. And that Curvv doesn't have the one thing Tata cars are known for, a comfortable back seat. The backseat in that thing is terrible. If I wanted an EV, I'd rather wait a few more years. And if I wanted an ICE, I'd be looking at Kia or Hyundai.
MG Windsor EV is coming in next 2 weeks, it should have far better rear seat, range may not be much different from curvv, being a Honda Jazz-esque vehicle
@@motorinc absolutely. Every week I hear some big news from China or Tesla on their battery/charging tech/efficiency breakthroughs... The technology keeps advancing at a much higher pace than today's ICE tech. For EV buyers, it's like deciding to buy a smartphone in 2010-2015. U buy one and then feel outdated after a year
@@commieTerminatorindia does too they did one this week but when it comes to India people just shut their years and ofcourse there is no PR for any research we does(we know Indian media loves celebrity gossips more)
I would also like to share our experiences with Tata. It was all good for couple of services. I even reported it as great service in one of my earlier comments. But then that excitement and luck just disconnected. 1. Our Altroz Diesel had an unfortunate incident where it hit an overloaded idiot driven Tata Ace and as a result had it's Radiator broken and leaking coolant. Towed it to the service. Insurance claimed. Survey done. All approved. But repair work wasn't started for 7 whole days. Reason? The service advisor was on an official trip to Tata head quarters. The car was untouched until we escalated to higher authorities. 2. Only 15kKms and 1.5 years. The Steering / tie rod making weird noises. And when shown in the service, though they didn't deny it saying it is Normal, they just asked my brother to keep driving until it gets worse. I mean, why? It was already making enough in terms of noise levels. Luckily, so far, we did not get a "This is Normal" response for anything that we reported.
As an Ex-Tata owner, I can totally relate to the stories by the people you met. I got an Altroz Diesel in 2020 and it broke down (clutch issue) after 12k kms. Got it towed to the service centre, had to wait for almost 8 days to even get a call from them. I remember going to the service centre and standing there to ensure they do the work and handover the car that entire day. After that, I did a road trip and came back (5k kms), went for a basic wheel alignment check as I felt the car was pulling to the left. They checked and showed me oil leakage from the gearbox. Had to drop at the service centre again to get that fixed. Overall experience and attitude was like Sumo/Indica days. That same issue came back again and was the final nail in the coffin. Got it fixed, spoke to service centre to understand that the previous service centre missed changing the oil which caused this issue. I complained to Tata SM team, spoke to them but no use as I had to pay half the money even though the car was under warranty till the end of the year. I sold the car a couple of months ago (38k driven, 3.6 years) and I’ve never been more happier driving a 2016 Grand I10 automatic (which we bought as a second car for my wife). I would never buy another Indian brand anytime soon (only exception is Maruti Suzuki) P.S. - I enjoyed the car when it stayed out of the service centre. I even did an extremely long road trip. Hyderabad - New Delhi - Udaipur - Hyderabad. Car performance is very good, but the DPF issues were a pain. On top of that, what I realised is the service centre experience in most places is bad.
@@motorinc Definitely! I loved the car and any car can breakdown. All that matters is how the service centre approaches the work and how are they working to ensure issues are properly fixed and customers are going back happy. If the experience is like this when the car is under warranty, I can’t imagine what would’ve happened post the warranty ended. I have a clarity now after hearing what Karthik said about the conversations he had with the leadership team. If the attitude is like that at the leadership level, no wonder it’s the same way at the service centres. They need to really address these issues and I’ve been telling my friends and family to proceed with caution if they’re planning for a Tata car.
@@kiran75424 Suzuki is Japanese. The cars they sell are Maruti Suzuki (joint venture) since Maruti still has around 40% stake it can be considered Indian to an extent.
I believe that "Tuck" Sound comes after speed breaker is from HRS( Hydraulic rebound stopper). That sound is natural when you going on high speeds and nothing to worry 🙏
The Punch.ev has cup holders and a wireless charger as well. I believe the Curvv will get the cup holders only when the Nexon does with all the shared components.
😂😂 He could barely be calm at the end of the video here... if he went through all that 1st hand, probably either he would come back halfway or they would hear a mouthful... 😂 (and rightfully so, in either case)
Just watched your take on TATA Curvv EV on TH-cam. I’m no car enthusiast, but I really appreciate your candor; it really helps people like me to understand how a car should be judged before purchase. Can you please help me choose between BYD ATTO 3 (Dynamic) vs MG ZS EV (Exclusive Plus DT).
Things I noticed about the Tata Curvv while I was in the showroom: 1. The rear end looks awesome and doesn't match with the front end. The profile is okay-ish. 2. There was no thigh support on the back seats, it made me remember Maruti Omni. 3. Rear visibility is garbage. 4. Interior is not good for the Creta category. 5. I noticed that the driving position is a bit awkward and the view out was similar to a Altroz.
As a person who is crawling towards upgrading my first second hand car very soon despite being a 2 wheeler person, which is the reason I am more interested in car firsts by you guys(along with its Motorinc I will watch everything they bring be it a review of a bicycle), I think the service and attitude of everyone involved in a company to make our lives better with their products, I really feel worried about tata motors service. It reminds me the service experience with TVS for my 2017 Jupiter. The service experience goes along way in my so far experience with 3 brands I have owned. Top would be the KTM service, followed by a Honda(car) and the worst would be the TVS till now. It can make your experience hell lot better even if your product you bought is not a top of the line premium. Rightly said, its OK is not the way ahead!!! On second note, Shumi you did really well this time in terms of a TATA review😂😂
Well all I remember while seeing this is that I had met Kartik in Verna-Goa. Both of us were looking at the TATA CURVV being unloaded from the carrier and brought to the service centre. It was great to meet you Kartik and share some automotive thoughts.
Not in context to the vid but I know there are many good English speakers in India and the people who use hinglish very well understand English. But I'm always amazed by how professional you too are and the way y'all speak deep English. Not forgetting the comments from your audience are the same. 😳.
Please start doing some interview of company executives. Especially from Honda, VW, Skoda, Jeep. We always loved their cars. But, they never adapted to indisn market. Instead, they hv always tried to think their company values are more important than what customers really want. Why would any company take decisions based on their values than thinking about customers who actually buy their products. We need to ensure these top companies really understand customer requirements.
Sharing my "Normal" experience with the Tata 1. Bought the Nexon 2017, after test driving the Brezza and WR-V and the Nexon was an easy pick over these. Bought the top variant and used it for 5 years. During my time with the car, once the coolant sensor failed, which I got fixed after visiting the service center twice since the first time they just reset the error and called it "fixed". During the 5th year, the power steering started to have some issues. It got almost jammed if you turned the steering extremely left/right. Upon consulting the service center, they said you have to get the motor replaced because as per them "this is normal after 5 years" even though the car was driven for about 40k Kms. After some temporary fix, we decided to sell the car and guess what we bought next? 2. Nexon 2022 model, because my dad loved the comfort and space of the Nexon. It's been 2 years now and I'm not at all happy with the overall experience. After the car gets serviced, multiple times the door open warning gets triggered even though the doors are closed. The service center guy was like "this is normal because water gets inside which causes the sensor to give faulty reading" once it dries out (usually a day or two), it will be fine. The next thing, the steering mounted controls. The volume buttons work as track seek buttons randomly, and sometimes the cruise control button has to be multiple times in order for the cruise control to engage. After all these incidents, I'm sure that I'm not going to buy a Tata car again. My friend asked me if he should buy the new Nexon and I told him not to because of how my experience has turned out to be.
Damm I was hoping that Kartikeya would say its the best mid range EV like punch ev intro. I visited the showroom twice but couldn't get hands on to test drive vehicle. I was hoping that it would have a sporty suspension and better steering feel because they recently launch altroz racer which is prety much sorted on ride and handling aspect.
@@motorinc Hola! Yes, I am looking for a secondary car for a family of 3 for mostly city usages and occasional highway usages. My monthly fuel expense is around 10000INR~1200KM. I would prefer an EV considering a better drive experience of Torqi motor and AT gearbox inn CITY usage along with free office charging. Punch EV is looking good to me but my wife dont want a very common car on road. I have driven jeep compass and currently having EcoSport at home and I enjoy driving them so much that I want my next car to have a decent steering/suspension for fun to drive quotient. I have virtus 1.5 dsg as an option for petrol but the only worry is dsg reliability for Bangalore stop and go traffic because I expect my wife to use auto hold feature which people wont recomend using on signals. For EV, i was having high hopes for curve born ev but it turn out to be nexon with bigger boot. I will give it a test drive anyway. but the dilemma is listen to mind and choose ev and save cost on fuel/maintenance(assiming my next primary car going to be a little premium segment german so maintenance will be significantly high) or just listen to heart and get the virtus/slavia 1.5? Sorry for the long comment
Couple of years back, I was going to buy a car and was seriously considering a TATA. The only reason that I didn’t was that I figured that being a very fussy customer, what I wanted was “fuss free ownership”. And what Tata wanted was “fuss free owners”. This was never going to work. I still admire some of their work. But for me … it’s perhaps best done from an arm’s distance :)
10:19 for viewers and motorinc guys Top spec Cruvv and nexon price, Tata Nexon empowered plus long range - ₹20,45,845 (on road Mumbai) Tata curvv Empowered plus A- ₹23,28,494 (on road Mumbai)
I have the 2018 Nexon automatic and I got most of the issues quoted in the video. The clutch plates had to be changed at 40k kms. All four aircon vent handles broke in the matter of a week's time around 60k kms. The classic response I got from Tata : "This is normal, we're surprised you pulled off more kms than other customers." Hoping against hope that there's progress from top-down. Do we have more firsts/views lined up as we're eager to hear your thoughts on other launches in the recent weeks? Great motorinc first again!
But shumi, i disagree that the bmw was switched off for power saving. It's known to us that brakes work with lower brake power when we switch off engine. It's not at all recommended even if the road ahead is slope.
Faced a similar issue with my Tiago EV like what your friend had faced. Got a small dent at the back of the car and they had kept the car for 35 days where the work has been done on the last 3 days only and for the rest of the days it was there lying in the sun and rain and not even in a garage. And after asking them why these many days they say this is normal here and they say it takes these many days which is not at all normal. This was the worst service i had faced with any other car company. Never gonna recommend Tata cars to friends having these kind of service. And they are pretty much cool saying this normal which is not at all acceptable. BTW always loved your conversations as they are too good. Thanks for being very honest guys.
These discussion videos are amazing. LOVE THESE! So informative and so well crafted to discuss matters that matter and not just spray half-cooked information within 10 minutes in the name of a review.
Guys why don't you make a video of your test rides I think it would be a great addition, it's just more content coming out of every project. It would give you the opportunity to have initial impressions 😊
Literally the first thing I did when I took delivery of my XUV700 was switched off everything ADAS, the sales guy looked at me like I am some crazy person. Again, an amazing episode.
I’ve recently sold my nexon which is less than 4 years old. The reasons; 1. Got bored wanted an off roader. 2. Got fed up with service 3. Got fed up with small electronic issues popping up constantly If points 2 & 3 were not there I would have used it for another few years and then thought about changing but with jimny discounts and the hassle of owning a Tata the choice was made for me. Anecdote: in the second free service someone dropped a tool on the bonnet and tried to turn it on me.
The "Normal for TATA" is true. I own a Altroz i-Turbo. After experiencing riding in it, my friend was considering buying one. I told him "I knew what I was getting into when I got this. I know you a well, and you wont be able to handle the issues that will crop up". And based on my advise he took a Baleno. In my list of issues with the car, the newest addition: My 3 year old Altroz started having foggy windshield when ever I turn on AC due to faulty windshield defogger. The defogger flap does not close anymore and with AC turned on inside (Kerala high heat and high humidity) the outside of windshield bottom area will start to fog up and I have to turn on wipers periodically to clear it. I dont want to waste another 3 weeks with TATA service from my previous unresolved issues, So for now, I just roll down windows and endure then heat when driving alone.
@@motorinc not even driven yet... 🙆♂️🙆♂️ I thought it would have been driven by now and that we would get the M-First in about 2-3 weeks and I was struggling to convince myself to wait for that only... 😶😶🌫️ looks like it could be much longer...
50:41 omgg the question about the cup holders and the way the executive answered clearly shows the culture within the company around Design. I am so glad you promoted the question
We have Nexon,we went to show room to test drive curvv. Surprisingly we can't spot much difference between Nexon and curvv. Featurewise Adas and ambience is above Nexon
6:54 When we went to check out Nexon and striking it out from our list was because the backseat space didn't felt big enough upgrading from a freestyle... The EV nexon felt even with lesser back seat space compared to the ICE.. And Curvv not having enough backseat space is bummer.. I felt this would really sit between nexon and harrier in size and not just boot
@@motorinc whats wrong with the 3XO? The only two things I can think of are - its not gradual/smooth when the turbo comes on and relatively smaller boot.. but most people will get used to them.
If possible, please do a video on dashcams, e.g., whether one should get front + rear, what specs one should look at (HDR, Starvis 2, number plate readability, GPS, etc.), which brands currently available in India are good.
1:00:23 "small issues like people being locked in the car" I'm imagining the service scenario like - "Oh you were locked inside? Its normal here." "Oh you had panic attack and a heatstroke? Its normal here." "Oh you were taken to a hospital? Call our tata helpline for 24/7 Roadside towing assistance." . To put this into context we have a Honda City and these kind of things would be unheard of in the Honda community.. I unfortunately crashed that car for the first time in 8 years (2015 model) of owning it.. Struck a Electricity Concrete post at 50 kmph and Caved in the hood, pretty messed up.. then drove that car another 30 kms home with the radiator tied by a rope and the AC not working, it drove like before the crash.. Now its like it never crashed.. Absurd levels of perfection from the Japanese.. A true motor vehicle Enthusiast will know for sure that Tata isn't in the contest..
I’m sure everyone Would love it if you guys could share similar stories about Mahindra’s quality in the next video as well. I’m sure many of us are already planning to buy the Thar roxx and would love to hear if such types of inconsistencies can be expected in Mahindra vehicles as well.
By the way. Kartikeya's shirt reads "伝統屏風" which means "traditional folding screen" Also, Shumi forgot to mention that they fixed the screen alignment in the quick summary :D But bringing this battery to other vehicles would make life extremely simple for EV boys
I was considering the Tata Curvv in the 4.3m segment, now after hearing their responses to your questions at the launch, i am kinda convinced to look elsewhere.
Excellent review, completely agree with Tatas new norm. A cousins Tiago was in service center for 3 months for a reason unknown till higher ups were contacted. The car used to stall intermittently. They changed entire wiring, music system and timing belt to solve this issue. Ultimately it was an ECU issue.
The very first review I watched, perhaps Faisal’s or Autocar, lamented on the backseat and I had to quickly scratch it off my list given my needs. Thanks for the detailed discussion on the car. Really appreciated it. I have owned a Manza around 2011-15 and I completely understand the quality hit or miss discussion you had.
"Normal for Tata" section cant get enough of it - the battery draining faster than it should , car refusing to accelerate in summers , earthing issues among many which would not be addressed by service centers. Whenever i complained about it they would simply reply by saying "koi issue nhi h sir ek baar hogya hoga" or "humari testing mai nhi aaya sir kuch"
The review missed emphasising a couple of important points when comparing with Nexon. 1. This has 70Kw DC charging support, which makes all the difference. 2. The battery pack is sourced from Octillion this time. What difference it brings to the famous HV critical error is not discussed / yet to be seen.
I'm using ADAS Level 2 for a few months now. Never switched it off, be it in traffic, highway, or an expressway. I agree it breaks a little harder than a normal person would, but then, if you are attentive enough and press the accelerator pedal, it sorts things out. One of the best uses of ADAS, in my opinion, is its working in conjunction with SCC. Now wherever I go on a trip with my family in a convoy. I just engage the SCC and sit back. Other than keeping your hands on the steering wheel every now & and then, it requires minimum human intervention. About the lane keep assisting system. I works well on the straight roads and small curves but please do not rely on ghat section or sharp turns. Drivers should realize, these features are there to make your life easier while driving and not to treat it as the fully autonomous.
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I am a Tata Fan, However I must say, You are correct. This is a Humorous but a Passive way to explain the reality of Tata Service. I think one of the ways to look at it could be that, Each Automobile manufactured is in the Transition phase. For Every Growth in Quality, Car's need to sold to make profits. And On the same lines, These Hard Questions such as Cupholders, Rear Leg Support should asked in Common forum of Customer, Media and Tata Management
Tata Nexon 2020 - 3 weeks ago - just 33K km in and the gearbox is shot, bang in the middle of the highway. We were lucky to not be too far from the city and some how reached back. That moment made me question my choice of getting a Tata, unfortunately after so many years they're still not reliable. It's been 3 weeks at the service centre and still no news of the car being fixed.
Hey! First, let’s keep in mind the Curvv concept and Nexon facelift launch dates: The Tata Curvv concept was first introduced in 2022, and the Nexon facelift was launched on September 14, 2023. That means, yes, the Tata Nexon's design is inspired by the Tata Curvv. But we shouldn't say the Curvv looks like the Nexon. Both the front design and even the interior design of the Nexon are inspired by the Curvv. So, we can say, "Nexon copies or borrows the front design from the Curvv." What's important to note is that the original design (the Curvv) was launched later, but the Nexon, which borrowed from it, was launched earlier than the original design. This creates a situation where the later design appears to be influenced by the earlier one, which can be seen as a mistake in the timeline of design inspiration.
About the cup holders, When I saw the first impressions of the Curvv on another channel, I pointed it out only to get replies like "cupholders are a western concept anyways. You can always put a bottle of water in the door. Nobody has cups with drinks around here while they are driving. You are only Nitpicking because it's an Indian company." And I am like if that's the reasoning of customers, then what incentive does the company have to improve its products. It can always gloat about the product being Indian to make to make it sell. That's how and why we don't have a truly international company yet. We are too lost in our own jingoism.
Very informative and ofcourse covering all points as usual, but why are you guys not posting on Amazon music like before, i have listened to all the podcast there and i miss your podcast on amazon music because i can do my stuff while listening to you guys and educating myself! Please post there ss well, cheers!
Kudos to you Shumi for keeping a straight face and not make fun of em. But i gotta say i miss it. Give it straight and raw Shumi! Oh and the mimicking of the Tata audio for the mode change was awesome 😀
It will be so sad to see Tata Motors going to the crapper. The public gave them a chance and they did quite well but now they are just toying with people’s emotions and trust. I hope they are taking their QA QC issues seriously or else they are on their way to becoming a very good case study for management students on ‘importance of QA QC and how it’s negligence can destroy a organisation ‘
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*Chapters*
00:00:00 What Is Tata Curvv
00:03:31 Tata Nexon Curvv
00:05:33 Design
00:10:00 Pricing
00:10:47 Driving the Curvv
00:13:30 Infotainment Updates
00:15:20 AVAS ki Awaaz
00:18:19 ADAS Level 2
00:23:40 Suspension Comfort
00:26:40 Design
00:28:05 Handling
00:31:26 Range
00:37:47 The Small Details
00:41:52 Quality
00:45:20 Normal for Tata
00:49:55 Are Fixes Coming?
00:52:43 Buy A Curvv?
00:56:12 New Key
00:57:28 Quick Summary
01:02:22 Closing Comments
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That summary.... .
You guys take a lot of time to make each other understand things.
Closing comments, location of ventilated seat switch & V2L switch, and old style wiring harnesses in vehicles which share commonalities with ICE vehicles which still have not progressed to bus-bars. So vanity or otherwise features like a "shark-fin" antenna on the roof gets a long wire and a hole in the roof, likewise the rear windscreen washer gets a long water hose and wire making multiple holes - but some other features vanity or otherwise meet the bean counters who say "fewer holes and shorter wires please".
Which is why electricians like doorbells near the door itself and not somewhere near the back of the house.
But then again, you got to remember, the Currv EV was intended for people who take their dog or dogs along.
What were they thinking when they designed that back seat?
AVAS ki Awaaz😂🙌🏼
I think Tata was so scared of Shumi that they controlled their urge to have 100 different variations.
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LOL!😂😂😂
P e r s o n a s
That’s not true actually, i checked the petrol and diesel versions and they have multiple variants so they haven’t learnt from their mistake…oh Tata
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13:31 Kartikeya impersonating the sports mode activated sound had me in tears 😂
Never again! 😆
We can disable the sound of notification in nexon max as well as punch ev. So the functionality to switch it on/off might be enabled in nexon ev Face-lift as well as curvv ev. And Yes the sound is annoying.
@@prashjaisit can be turned off in Harrier too.
@@gautamramineedi8908 how !! Please share
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Adding few more points where Kartik says "This is normal" for my Tata Altroz.
1) My infotainment system would just hang once in a while and android auto/carplay would not detect a device when connected. Got it checked at the Service center and they said "This is normal" and they updated software version and the issue was fixed.
2) Once in a while, although rare but my car just would just not detect the accelerator pedal when starting it fresh for the day, I would then turn ignition off and restart, post which car would act normal. Got it checked at the service center and they again said "This is normal" and we need to update the sequencing code for the DCA gearbox which should fix the issue.
This is my 10 month old car and if they are able to fix it with great ease which would indicate that they have known these issue for sometime now. Question is why would they not fix it when manufacturing when they have already collated these repetitive issues
Don't get me wrong I just did 1100 kms of long drive couple of days back and I was like this car is simply amazing at so many things, if and this is a big 'IF', they can sort this issues out they can really push 7/10 experience to 9/10.
One final thing where you hit nail on its head, more then your experience with the car in itself your experience with the brand TATA is nose diving with these sort of quality and service center issues.
Thanks for sharing Samarth. We hope that your issues will be solved thoroughly.
I have a, what trolls on the internet call, "tin ka dubba", its been 8 years now and I haven't had to change so much as a light bulb. Get my service done regularly, 1 year or 10,000 km, and I'm so so happy with my Baleno.
I have shared my Tata Indica Turbo DLG experience on this platform earlier. 😂😂
I'm swore never to touch a Tata car again after that.
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Regarding Maruti. I am currently driving a WagonR. 3 years and 90K Kms done. Zero complains. Just fill the tank and drive with occasional tyre pressure check. Servicing is also hassle free. I am very busy and can't take my vehicle to service centre twice a year for routine servicing ( not accounting for unforeseen incidents in Tata). The car is a car to go to places and Maruti does a tremendously good job. But in the back of my mind I am just hoping that maruti would also make safe cars...
One more funny incident, a friend of mine who is a first time car buyer and has a Nexon petrol manual for 3 years now called me yesterday and shared one of his experiences. He drove a swift dezire manual for the first time (Maruti manual 1st time) and he was blown away with how smooth the car was (not brand new, one of our friend's car). As per him the gear shift was so smooth compared to Nexon that he thought it might be broken... 😂😂😂
@@shaktiswarupsarangi8130 I completely agree with you. Japanese cars are complete piece of mind. I too hope Maruti makes safer cars, safer structurally not just adding airbags to a flimsy frame.
Really nice stories about Tata. That reminds me of the story my friend says. He used to be an employee in Tata Motors in the analytics team. Like Karthik said, they know that the air con vents break, they know that their systems are glitchy, they know that their lock systems are not good (there are Harriers in which the outside door handles break). It is all in their data. He was in the analytics team and he did not even have to analyze it. It was just there. Their response was that it somebody else who is to be blamed.
I have been an employee of Tata (not motors but the IT company) and I feel the culture is similar there as well. They are never willing to change and change comes only after a lot of fight and deliberation. Lot of times the change comes too late.
This is the story of all Tata organization. I think they need to stop being scared of their mistakes. They need to own it and see how they can correct it.
Sorry, but unsurprised.
I think after over a 100 years of operation, the Tata group is too much like a PSU company rather than a lean startup. I think they should really separate the EV division and bring in management and employees who operate in a startup-like environment.
@@sormazi I think they are already trying that but we need to realise that it's a big ship and it takes a lot of effort to steer it in a different direction. Especially if they are not used to it. I think their ship still has non assisted steering 🤣
Govt. of Tata.
@@sormazi hmm they are trying but the top management is from sister companies so getting decisions or direction through them becomes impossible resulting in the newer hiring frustrated leading to their eventual resignation
The "Normal for Tata" section hit really close to heart! I just can't recommend a Tata car to anyone in my friend circle. Personally, I faced a total failure of manual gearbox in Altroz Diesel at just 32000 kms. And the service advisor feedback- Sir machine hai, ho jaata hai! I hope someone in Tata Motors realizes that the gullibility of their customers will only last them a certain sales crest, after which, these experiences and word of mouth will certainly affect them adversely.
Sorry to hear about your Altroz. So much to like about it, but let down by reliability.
My person Nexon xz+ developed engine oil leak ( Very bad) in 45k kms only. Service center said sir 6 years old car, it happens in Kia also
now barrage of comments from Tata stans
@@museycal so true I own a tigor the car itself is excellent but it's led down my the after sales, in the first year of owning the car. They never bothered to clean the ac filter and due to this it developed a small opening and this somehow resulted in the refrigerant leaking, the explanation was , the evaporator coil developed a crack due to the puncture in the AC filter. They changed it under warranty but then another issue came up due to this. The mileage dropped drastically, I used to get 16 to 17 in the city with how I drive but was getting between 10 to 12 and when I told tata service they said it's the way u drive saaaar and they looked at the clutch pedal and said saaar your clutch might be gone, I told them it's the problem with the AC the compressor never cuts off and car is always noisy they said sir AC doesn't affect the mileage your clutch is gone. Then fast forward to 1.5 years and constant struggles with the service centre about this issue, I decided to involve someone from tata motors. To solve this first they said sir Thermistor is faulty , they replaced it and it was working fine for 1 day then again same issues and after they changed my explanation valve. After 3 months because they were busy no wonder why.
The issue with AC was that pressure between the low and high side where not equalising because of faulty expansion valve.
I informed them about this , I told them for fact that this is the problem but no one bothered for a 1.5 years
After involving tata motor , though my issue is resolved. But this could have been solved if they just listened to me or took the time to investigate.
Apart from this I had issue with my battery. They never checked the water levels but my clutch is still fine😛
You give them the car to service hoping they will check and analyse if the cars are their own but I guess They just stop caring after the car is delivered. It's been like this for ages India.
Anybody who asks me , "should I buy a tata car". I would say never.🫂
@@NotGivinMilkshakes Man, I had this exact issue in AC circuit of my Altroz. Seems like this may also be normal for Tata. But since my gearbox decided to commit hara-kiri, I was less bothered with the luxury like an AC! 😂
The thing I feel about the conversation of these two is it feels like both really doing what they love and talking about it and other journalists are just in another rat race of content and following the market only … thankful to both of u for these sensible conversations
Thanks for joining in the conversation too.
@@motorinc looks like a reply from shumi 😂
Thanks for being ONLY major media house being honest about Tata's infamous reliability issues.
We’re just calling it as we see it. 🙏🏾
'MotorInc drops a First' - you drop everything and watch it first.
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Waiting for the Citroen Basalt's First to drop.
Please stay tuned. We were waiting for the Basalt prices so that we could provide a fuller picture.
@@motorinc wuhoo! Super excited!
@@ajinkyatripathi2248 - Aapne Mann Ki Baat bol di
@@Techno_Babble haha cheers bro!
As far as the quality levels are concerned, I agree with Karthik. A friend of mine had recently bought a Harrier, the facelifted version with fancy variant names. It had all the bells and whistles except for ADAS. He took us on a short ride and all of us were really impressed with the car. The size, the length , the quality of materials used etc etc. But the electronic niggles… oh man! While he was making a turn, the camera feed came up in the direction of the turn and the feed was literally frozen after a few seconds. A car went by and it didn’t register on the screen. Now since my friend was watching the road during the turn instead of the screen, so he didn’t notice it but I did. I just didn’t have the heart to tell him this because it was a brand new car and he was really beaming with happiness but it really burst my bubble of how awesome cars manufactured by Tata are. If I am spending that level of money especially for these features, I want those features to work reliably well especially something like a camera feed. Else I might as well pay Hyundai for their Creta. It maybe cheaper but they are offering an experience that just works.
That’s barely a problem in the overall scheme of things. Lucky him. And happy for him too! ❤️ The Harrier as a package is sweet - niggles aside.
@@PratikPishwe New feature loaded cars are like TV remote control with 50+ buttons that offer features that many barely are even aware of...leave alone use.
The less digital bs.....more peace of mind....at least that's my view.
Have owned a Fiat and a Chevy UVA in the past and they had the bare minimum of features compared to the frankly ridiculous features in current cars.
I wish these car makers actually made cars to order and added JUST the features that the customer wants.... instead of forcing him to purchase the whole package.
Maybe tata motors is recruiting more of its staff from our Desi Silicon Valley since AI is rendering them surplus ??? @@main_stream_media_is_a_joke
Bro that "Tata" at the end was way too sweet
Thank you @SrijanPaulsatya 😊
Responsible journalists and tata fanbase has always supported tatas products but i don't think tata has done justice to all these efforts tata products are not comparable with global brands there are a lot of issues and the biggest reason for tatas ignorence is tata group's size itself in 90s mahindra knew that if they don't invest in engine technologies and if they don't improve their quality then they won't servive and then mahindra engines and there platforms improved a lot i am not saying that mahindra has no issues but what I am trying to say is even if tata motors starts to struggle tata group is always there to save them they never feel that they need to improve there engine quality and reliability and they never feel that there products quality and service should be world class I think tata's last few launches are example of what I am trying to say at one end you have mahindra I mean they have literally changed and improved the same platform with every single new launch the design and packaging is also different and improved and on the other hand you have curvv with nexon interiors harrier safari family look exteriors and less space then citroen basalt I mean come on yaar people have waited for this car for almost two years.
I feel so bad for tata fanbase 😔
We agree. Thank you for the take.
That's true for many Tata businesses. They are bankrolled by cash with Tata Sons or TCS.
Tata has improved a lot, earlier I wont even consider now atleast I look for their car reviews. But "Dilli abhi door hai" contrary to what their fanbase thinks.
13:30 OMG
The impression is spoton..!🤣🤣
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"Skeleton wahi but body nayi"🙏🙏🙏
Shumi you Rock 🤘
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someone finally spoke about this logo tilted in most tata cars, been noticing it in more tata and surprised to see no one mentioned this in media
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Entire TATA could feel shumi’s aura for the exponential number variants, that’s why this time they were scared, and fortunately the variants are countable now.
They are? We haven’t checked them out here. 😑
Anything is countable if you count long enough 😅 Tata and their variants are a love story beyond grasp.
Its bcz its an EV , come the ICE one and then 20 variants galore
Shumi not making fun of Tata is much more brutal than him actively doing it.😂
Oh come on a guy can't win either way @omkarrane5799?
Kartikeya has a W124!!!???
Need a new series where you revisit old iconic cars and bikes like Shumi did with his 390 Duke
Noted!!
@@motorinc also can you revisit old gadgets episodes for a podcast for instance Kartikeya used his Poco F1 extensively for shooting a lot of walkaround videos
Dude, the stories you shared are exactly why I'm not even thinking about Tata cars right now. And that Curvv doesn't have the one thing Tata cars are known for, a comfortable back seat. The backseat in that thing is terrible. If I wanted an EV, I'd rather wait a few more years. And if I wanted an ICE, I'd be looking at Kia or Hyundai.
The best time to buy an EV? That’s a next year. And say the same thing to yourself for the next few years. 😁
MG Windsor EV is coming in next 2 weeks, it should have far better rear seat, range may not be much different from curvv, being a Honda Jazz-esque vehicle
@@motorinc absolutely. Every week I hear some big news from China or Tesla on their battery/charging tech/efficiency breakthroughs... The technology keeps advancing at a much higher pace than today's ICE tech.
For EV buyers, it's like deciding to buy a smartphone in 2010-2015. U buy one and then feel outdated after a year
@@commieTerminatorindia does too they did one this week but when it comes to India people just shut their years and ofcourse there is no PR for any research we does(we know Indian media loves celebrity gossips more)
Passive aggressive Shumi hits harder than sarcastic Shumi or silly word play Shumi hahaha!
Brutal no matter what!
4:38 Billy Butcher smile 😈
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They have to Pin📌 this
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@@Shreejansurya98 agree with you
I would also like to share our experiences with Tata. It was all good for couple of services. I even reported it as great service in one of my earlier comments. But then that excitement and luck just disconnected.
1. Our Altroz Diesel had an unfortunate incident where it hit an overloaded idiot driven Tata Ace and as a result had it's Radiator broken and leaking coolant. Towed it to the service. Insurance claimed. Survey done. All approved. But repair work wasn't started for 7 whole days. Reason? The service advisor was on an official trip to Tata head quarters. The car was untouched until we escalated to higher authorities.
2. Only 15kKms and 1.5 years. The Steering / tie rod making weird noises. And when shown in the service, though they didn't deny it saying it is Normal, they just asked my brother to keep driving until it gets worse. I mean, why? It was already making enough in terms of noise levels.
Luckily, so far, we did not get a "This is Normal" response for anything that we reported.
Thanks for updating us! We wish you better experiences.
As an Ex-Tata owner, I can totally relate to the stories by the people you met. I got an Altroz Diesel in 2020 and it broke down (clutch issue) after 12k kms. Got it towed to the service centre, had to wait for almost 8 days to even get a call from them. I remember going to the service centre and standing there to ensure they do the work and handover the car that entire day. After that, I did a road trip and came back (5k kms), went for a basic wheel alignment check as I felt the car was pulling to the left. They checked and showed me oil leakage from the gearbox. Had to drop at the service centre again to get that fixed. Overall experience and attitude was like Sumo/Indica days. That same issue came back again and was the final nail in the coffin. Got it fixed, spoke to service centre to understand that the previous service centre missed changing the oil which caused this issue. I complained to Tata SM team, spoke to them but no use as I had to pay half the money even though the car was under warranty till the end of the year. I sold the car a couple of months ago (38k driven, 3.6 years) and I’ve never been more happier driving a 2016 Grand I10 automatic (which we bought as a second car for my wife). I would never buy another Indian brand anytime soon (only exception is Maruti Suzuki)
P.S. - I enjoyed the car when it stayed out of the service centre. I even did an extremely long road trip. Hyderabad - New Delhi - Udaipur - Hyderabad. Car performance is very good, but the DPF issues were a pain. On top of that, what I realised is the service centre experience in most places is bad.
Thanks for sharing man! Glad you are relieved now
Thanks for sharing @manisharutla! Just curious, had the service experience been better, would you have kept the Altroz despite its issues?
@@motorinc Definitely! I loved the car and any car can breakdown. All that matters is how the service centre approaches the work and how are they working to ensure issues are properly fixed and customers are going back happy. If the experience is like this when the car is under warranty, I can’t imagine what would’ve happened post the warranty ended. I have a clarity now after hearing what Karthik said about the conversations he had with the leadership team. If the attitude is like that at the leadership level, no wonder it’s the same way at the service centres. They need to really address these issues and I’ve been telling my friends and family to proceed with caution if they’re planning for a Tata car.
suzuki is japanese mate
@@kiran75424 Suzuki is Japanese. The cars they sell are Maruti Suzuki (joint venture) since Maruti still has around 40% stake it can be considered Indian to an extent.
I believe that "Tuck" Sound comes after speed breaker is from HRS( Hydraulic rebound stopper). That sound is natural when you going on high speeds and nothing to worry 🙏
Thanks for the advice!
Got my automotive design exam at 12:00 today, but I’m still gonna watch this video while I’m studying
Oh boy! All the best man!
13:33 nice mimicry of the chimes
almost sounded like a real chime 😂🤣
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15:42 TROING 😂😂😂😂 you guys are hilarious
It's okay is not okay. Funnily enough, the Altroz also has cup holders and a wireless charger together. Just saying.
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The Punch.ev has cup holders and a wireless charger as well. I believe the Curvv will get the cup holders only when the Nexon does with all the shared components.
We really wanted Shumi Sir to go for Tata Launch Event😆
So do we!
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He could barely be calm at the end of the video here... if he went through all that 1st hand, probably either he would come back halfway or they would hear a mouthful... 😂 (and rightfully so, in either case)
Just watched your take on TATA Curvv EV on TH-cam. I’m no car enthusiast, but I really appreciate your candor; it really helps people like me to understand how a car should be judged before purchase. Can you please help me choose between BYD ATTO 3 (Dynamic) vs MG ZS EV (Exclusive Plus DT).
Atto3 is better if you live in a city which has BYD dealer else go for ZS pure due to service coverage
Hey Abhishek, we’d pick Atto3 - core tech is one of the best, if not the best, in the world. 👍🏽
Things I noticed about the Tata Curvv while I was in the showroom:
1. The rear end looks awesome and doesn't match with the front end. The profile is okay-ish.
2. There was no thigh support on the back seats, it made me remember Maruti Omni.
3. Rear visibility is garbage.
4. Interior is not good for the Creta category.
5. I noticed that the driving position is a bit awkward and the view out was similar to a Altroz.
Hello G! Thanks for your review! Good observations!
13:32 : - hey karthik that was exactly 💯 similar to the assistant 😂😂❤❤
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@@motorinc 😎🤣
MotorInc, great content I really liked it
Glad to hear it!
Total design failure
“The first step in solving a problem is recognizing there is one” - Will Mcavoy
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ADAS explanation at 18:00 was so well thought out and articulated. Kudos to you guys !
Glad we could be of help!
"Skeleton wahi, body nayi", - how did Shumi deliver this with a straight face and gave that sarcastic look in the end without cracking up himself 😂😂😂
Seriously!
17:31 Snuck is definitely a word , Shumi! The Harward University definitely vouches for it! 😬
Harward? Aare you trying to tell us something…
@@motorincAm I? You went to SPA, Shumi, you should know. 😆
@@motorinc Wait a seconddd, you went to SPA... That explains the gorgeous sets, backdrops and angles! You did us architects proud! 🥲
As a person who is crawling towards upgrading my first second hand car very soon despite being a 2 wheeler person, which is the reason I am more interested in car firsts by you guys(along with its Motorinc I will watch everything they bring be it a review of a bicycle), I think the service and attitude of everyone involved in a company to make our lives better with their products, I really feel worried about tata motors service. It reminds me the service experience with TVS for my 2017 Jupiter. The service experience goes along way in my so far experience with 3 brands I have owned. Top would be the KTM service, followed by a Honda(car) and the worst would be the TVS till now. It can make your experience hell lot better even if your product you bought is not a top of the line premium. Rightly said, its OK is not the way ahead!!!
On second note, Shumi you did really well this time in terms of a TATA review😂😂
Thanks for the insight O! All the best for the next!
@@motorinc ❤️👐🏻
I wouldn't mind the notifications for drive modes, if it was told by Karthik.
Replacing one with another! 🤣🙅♂️
Well all I remember while seeing this is that I had met Kartik in Verna-Goa. Both of us were looking at the TATA CURVV being unloaded from the carrier and brought to the service centre. It was great to meet you Kartik and share some automotive thoughts.
I was watching the Nexon EV podcast and then I got the notification about the Curvv EV podcast 😉😎❤️ what a coincidence
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@@motorinc 😎❤️
Not in context to the vid but I know there are many good English speakers in India and the people who use hinglish very well understand English. But I'm always amazed by how professional you too are and the way y'all speak deep English. Not forgetting the comments from your audience are the same. 😳.
Thanks MA!
Karthikeya's City drive mode selected had me rolling in the floor
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Please start doing some interview of company executives. Especially from Honda, VW, Skoda, Jeep. We always loved their cars. But, they never adapted to indisn market. Instead, they hv always tried to think their company values are more important than what customers really want. Why would any company take decisions based on their values than thinking about customers who actually buy their products. We need to ensure these top companies really understand customer requirements.
Thanks for the suggestion. Then don’t you think they should interview us? 😁
Very true
@@motorinctrue that😅
Sharing my "Normal" experience with the Tata
1. Bought the Nexon 2017, after test driving the Brezza and WR-V and the Nexon was an easy pick over these. Bought the top variant and used it for 5 years. During my time with the car, once the coolant sensor failed, which I got fixed after visiting the service center twice since the first time they just reset the error and called it "fixed". During the 5th year, the power steering started to have some issues. It got almost jammed if you turned the steering extremely left/right. Upon consulting the service center, they said you have to get the motor replaced because as per them "this is normal after 5 years" even though the car was driven for about 40k Kms. After some temporary fix, we decided to sell the car and guess what we bought next?
2. Nexon 2022 model, because my dad loved the comfort and space of the Nexon. It's been 2 years now and I'm not at all happy with the overall experience. After the car gets serviced, multiple times the door open warning gets triggered even though the doors are closed. The service center guy was like "this is normal because water gets inside which causes the sensor to give faulty reading" once it dries out (usually a day or two), it will be fine.
The next thing, the steering mounted controls. The volume buttons work as track seek buttons randomly, and sometimes the cruise control button has to be multiple times in order for the cruise control to engage.
After all these incidents, I'm sure that I'm not going to buy a Tata car again. My friend asked me if he should buy the new Nexon and I told him not to because of how my experience has turned out to be.
😑 Sorry to hear that. All the best for the next.
Damm I was hoping that Kartikeya would say its the best mid range EV like punch ev intro. I visited the showroom twice but couldn't get hands on to test drive vehicle. I was hoping that it would have a sporty suspension and better steering feel because they recently launch altroz racer which is prety much sorted on ride and handling aspect.
Hola! Were you looking to get an EV?
@@motorinc Hola! Yes, I am looking for a secondary car for a family of 3 for mostly city usages and occasional highway usages. My monthly fuel expense is around 10000INR~1200KM. I would prefer an EV considering a better drive experience of Torqi motor and AT gearbox inn CITY usage along with free office charging. Punch EV is looking good to me but my wife dont want a very common car on road. I have driven jeep compass and currently having EcoSport at home and I enjoy driving them so much that I want my next car to have a decent steering/suspension for fun to drive quotient. I have virtus 1.5 dsg as an option for petrol but the only worry is dsg reliability for Bangalore stop and go traffic because I expect my wife to use auto hold feature which people wont recomend using on signals. For EV, i was having high hopes for curve born ev but it turn out to be nexon with bigger boot. I will give it a test drive anyway. but the dilemma is listen to mind and choose ev and save cost on fuel/maintenance(assiming my next primary car going to be a little premium segment german so maintenance will be significantly high) or just listen to heart and get the virtus/slavia 1.5? Sorry for the long comment
Couple of years back, I was going to buy a car and was seriously considering a TATA. The only reason that I didn’t was that I figured that being a very fussy customer, what I wanted was “fuss free ownership”. And what Tata wanted was “fuss free owners”. This was never going to work.
I still admire some of their work. But for me … it’s perhaps best done from an arm’s distance :)
Thats clarity! Good for you.
Great video guys,
Quality is really a issue with tata, yesterday i saw the new safari & its right side tail light went off while moving
That’s normal.
Despite being a tata owner myself, I genuinely loved shumi's criticism and tata deserves that anyways..
Appreciate the understanding Rahul!
10:19 for viewers and motorinc guys Top spec Cruvv and nexon price,
Tata Nexon empowered plus long range - ₹20,45,845 (on road Mumbai)
Tata curvv Empowered plus A- ₹23,28,494 (on road Mumbai)
Appreciate that Jayesh!
@@Jayesh_6430 1.5 lack discounts on nexon on top spect
I have the 2018 Nexon automatic and I got most of the issues quoted in the video.
The clutch plates had to be changed at 40k kms. All four aircon vent handles broke in the matter of a week's time around 60k kms.
The classic response I got from Tata : "This is normal, we're surprised you pulled off more kms than other customers."
Hoping against hope that there's progress from top-down.
Do we have more firsts/views lined up as we're eager to hear your thoughts on other launches in the recent weeks? Great motorinc first again!
Thanks for sharing your experience Saketh! We hope things change as well.
But shumi, i disagree that the bmw was switched off for power saving. It's known to us that brakes work with lower brake power when we switch off engine. It's not at all recommended even if the road ahead is slope.
Generally, on motorcycles, you have full manual brakes irrespective of the engine's operation
Faced a similar issue with my Tiago EV like what your friend had faced. Got a small dent at the back of the car and they had kept the car for 35 days where the work has been done on the last 3 days only and for the rest of the days it was there lying in the sun and rain and not even in a garage. And after asking them why these many days they say this is normal here and they say it takes these many days which is not at all normal. This was the worst service i had faced with any other car company. Never gonna recommend Tata cars to friends having these kind of service. And they are pretty much cool saying this normal which is not at all acceptable. BTW always loved your conversations as they are too good. Thanks for being very honest guys.
Thanks for keeping us posted VM!
Snuck is a real word but in your case sneak was the right one. Conan went to Harvard! 😁
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Shumi's smug smile at his own wisecrack at 30:40 is just hilarious😂
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From tata side -"Is sumi really not critical,but he's smiling"
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Tata Sumi Gold
These discussion videos are amazing. LOVE THESE! So informative and so well crafted to discuss matters that matter and not just spray half-cooked information within 10 minutes in the name of a review.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Everytime the intro music hits its a damn vibe!
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I get a smile from start of episode when Shumi says he won't be critical of TATA.
Guys why don't you make a video of your test rides I think it would be a great addition, it's just more content coming out of every project. It would give you the opportunity to have initial impressions 😊
Thanks for the recommendation TS.
Literally the first thing I did when I took delivery of my XUV700 was switched off everything ADAS, the sales guy looked at me like I am some crazy person.
Again, an amazing episode.
Good decision!
43:49 ah, the classic getting locked inside a Tata and escaping via the window. Brings back memories!
You’ve been there too?!
@@motorinc Oh yeah. Kartikeya was there too!
I’ve recently sold my nexon which is less than 4 years old. The reasons;
1. Got bored wanted an off roader.
2. Got fed up with service
3. Got fed up with small electronic issues popping up constantly
If points 2 & 3 were not there I would have used it for another few years and then thought about changing but with jimny discounts and the hassle of owning a Tata the choice was made for me.
Anecdote: in the second free service someone dropped a tool on the bonnet and tried to turn it on me.
Got the Jimmy? Which colour? And transmission? Tell us more! 😁
@@motorinc I’m getting Alpha Auto in Nexa Blue colour.
Thank you for sharing @theindianskeptic! Congratulations! We wish you a fun time!
Schumi breaking the fourth wall is the most accurate review in any of your videos. Words seen to have become a lesser medium.
Nails it!
The "Normal for TATA" is true. I own a Altroz i-Turbo. After experiencing riding in it, my friend was considering buying one. I told him "I knew what I was getting into when I got this. I know you a well, and you wont be able to handle the issues that will crop up". And based on my advise he took a Baleno.
In my list of issues with the car, the newest addition: My 3 year old Altroz started having foggy windshield when ever I turn on AC due to faulty windshield defogger. The defogger flap does not close anymore and with AC turned on inside (Kerala high heat and high humidity) the outside of windshield bottom area will start to fog up and I have to turn on wipers periodically to clear it. I dont want to waste another 3 weeks with TATA service from my previous unresolved issues, So for now, I just roll down windows and endure then heat when driving alone.
Thanks Arjun for sharing that with us.
43:54 had me chuckle 😂
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Maybe that curvv is little clingy 😂
13:34 wow, guys, that was not expected from Motorinc, hilarious😂😂
Would love Thar Roxx first impressions❤❤
Please stay tuned. Haven’t driven the car yet.
@@motorinc not even driven yet... 🙆♂️🙆♂️
I thought it would have been driven by now and that we would get the M-First in about 2-3 weeks and I was struggling to convince myself to wait for that only... 😶😶🌫️ looks like it could be much longer...
50:41 omgg the question about the cup holders and the way the executive answered clearly shows the culture within the company around Design. I am so glad you promoted the question
It’s a pity.
Was waiting for this episode since decade long 🙆🙆.
Why didn’t you tell us earlier! 😆
We have Nexon,we went to show room to test drive curvv. Surprisingly we can't spot much difference between Nexon and curvv.
Featurewise Adas and ambience is above Nexon
Spot on!
What was that smile about at 16:21 Shumi? XD
6:54 When we went to check out Nexon and striking it out from our list was because the backseat space didn't felt big enough upgrading from a freestyle... The EV nexon felt even with lesser back seat space compared to the ICE.. And Curvv not having enough backseat space is bummer.. I felt this would really sit between nexon and harrier in size and not just boot
Agreed… it’s like three steps down from the Nexon.
Do you guys recommend 3XO as a better alternative to Curvv?
Check out the Sonet. And, the Basalt. 👍🏽
@@motorinc whats wrong with the 3XO? The only two things I can think of are - its not gradual/smooth when the turbo comes on and relatively smaller boot.. but most people will get used to them.
If possible, please do a video on dashcams, e.g., whether one should get front + rear, what specs one should look at (HDR, Starvis 2, number plate readability, GPS, etc.), which brands currently available in India are good.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Tata cars are good to see but are headaches to own….hence 👋👋👋👋👋
Can I have Thar 3 door with same features like Thar ROXX? When I expect the update on 3 door, or shall I buy and do aftermarket? Please confirm
1:00:23 "small issues like people being locked in the car"
I'm imagining the service scenario like - "Oh you were locked inside? Its normal here."
"Oh you had panic attack and a heatstroke? Its normal here."
"Oh you were taken to a hospital? Call our tata helpline for 24/7 Roadside towing assistance."
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To put this into context we have a Honda City and these kind of things would be unheard of in the Honda community.. I unfortunately crashed that car for the first time in 8 years (2015 model) of owning it.. Struck a Electricity Concrete post at 50 kmph and Caved in the hood, pretty messed up.. then drove that car another 30 kms home with the radiator tied by a rope and the AC not working, it drove like before the crash.. Now its like it never crashed.. Absurd levels of perfection from the Japanese.. A true motor vehicle Enthusiast will know for sure that Tata isn't in the contest..
I’m sure everyone Would love it if you guys could share similar stories about Mahindra’s quality in the next video as well. I’m sure many of us are already planning to buy the Thar roxx and would love to hear if such types of inconsistencies can be expected in Mahindra vehicles as well.
Hey SM, stay tuned. We haven’t got the test car yet. 👍🏽
By the way. Kartikeya's shirt reads "伝統屏風" which means "traditional folding screen"
Also, Shumi forgot to mention that they fixed the screen alignment in the quick summary :D
But bringing this battery to other vehicles would make life extremely simple for EV boys
They have to figure out the floorboard situation for sure before that...
@@motorinc the back seat can take a back seat to solve range anxiety :P
Great and detailed overview. I am confused between Curvv and Elevate. Which one is better for long term personnel use. Please suggest.
The safe pick is the Elevate. 👍🏽
Leave the car aside, I watch your videos to hear you both speak. It’s amazing feeling.
Thanks @alokdand1712, we appreciate it.
I was considering the Tata Curvv in the 4.3m segment, now after hearing their responses to your questions at the launch, i am kinda convinced to look elsewhere.
It’s not a 4.3m car experience in the inside.
Excellent review, completely agree with Tatas new norm. A cousins Tiago was in service center for 3 months for a reason unknown till higher ups were contacted. The car used to stall intermittently. They changed entire wiring, music system and timing belt to solve this issue. Ultimately it was an ECU issue.
The very first review I watched, perhaps Faisal’s or Autocar, lamented on the backseat and I had to quickly scratch it off my list given my needs. Thanks for the detailed discussion on the car. Really appreciated it.
I have owned a Manza around 2011-15 and I completely understand the quality hit or miss discussion you had.
Thanks K!
"Normal for Tata" section cant get enough of it - the battery draining faster than it should , car refusing to accelerate in summers , earthing issues among many which would not be addressed by service centers. Whenever i complained about it they would simply reply by saying "koi issue nhi h sir ek baar hogya hoga" or "humari testing mai nhi aaya sir kuch"
Oh shucks. Sorry to hear that.
The review missed emphasising a couple of important points when comparing with Nexon.
1. This has 70Kw DC charging support, which makes all the difference.
2. The battery pack is sourced from Octillion this time. What difference it brings to the famous HV critical error is not discussed / yet to be seen.
I'm using ADAS Level 2 for a few months now. Never switched it off, be it in traffic, highway, or an expressway. I agree it breaks a little harder than a normal person would, but then, if you are attentive enough and press the accelerator pedal, it sorts things out.
One of the best uses of ADAS, in my opinion, is its working in conjunction with SCC. Now wherever I go on a trip with my family in a convoy. I just engage the SCC and sit back. Other than keeping your hands on the steering wheel every now & and then, it requires minimum human intervention.
About the lane keep assisting system. I works well on the straight roads and small curves but please do not rely on ghat section or sharp turns. Drivers should realize, these features are there to make your life easier while driving and not to treat it as the fully autonomous.
SCC 👍🏽! Drive safe. You clearly are a responsible and careful driver. That is not the norm. So we exercise caution in recommending these features.
Audio fans who enjoy listening to Motorinc podcast over audio only, you still do it through TH-cam music (even in free version). However these podcasts are not available in Spotify, Apple or Pocket casts.
Also, you can keep your display turned off while listening and also can download these episodes.
Thanks PRN! ❤️
I am a Tata Fan,
However I must say, You are correct.
This is a Humorous but a Passive way to explain the reality of Tata Service.
I think one of the ways to look at it could be that, Each Automobile manufactured is in the Transition phase.
For Every Growth in Quality,
Car's need to sold to make profits.
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On the same lines,
These Hard Questions such as Cupholders, Rear Leg Support should asked in Common forum of Customer, Media and Tata Management
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Veryvery insightful discussion
Tata Nexon 2020 - 3 weeks ago - just 33K km in and the gearbox is shot, bang in the middle of the highway. We were lucky to not be too far from the city and some how reached back. That moment made me question my choice of getting a Tata, unfortunately after so many years they're still not reliable.
It's been 3 weeks at the service centre and still no news of the car being fixed.
Oh shucks. Sorry to hear that. All the best.
Hey! First, let’s keep in mind the Curvv concept and Nexon facelift launch dates:
The Tata Curvv concept was first introduced in 2022, and the Nexon facelift was launched on September 14, 2023.
That means, yes, the Tata Nexon's design is inspired by the Tata Curvv. But we shouldn't say the Curvv looks like the Nexon. Both the front design and even the interior design of the Nexon are inspired by the Curvv.
So, we can say, "Nexon copies or borrows the front design from the Curvv."
What's important to note is that the original design (the Curvv) was launched later, but the Nexon, which borrowed from it, was launched earlier than the original design. This creates a situation where the later design appears to be influenced by the earlier one, which can be seen as a mistake in the timeline of design inspiration.
About the cup holders, When I saw the first impressions of the Curvv on another channel, I pointed it out only to get replies like "cupholders are a western concept anyways. You can always put a bottle of water in the door. Nobody has cups with drinks around here while they are driving. You are only Nitpicking because it's an Indian company." And I am like if that's the reasoning of customers, then what incentive does the company have to improve its products. It can always gloat about the product being Indian to make to make it sell. That's how and why we don't have a truly international company yet. We are too lost in our own jingoism.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts @amolgarg3358
Very informative and ofcourse covering all points as usual, but why are you guys not posting on Amazon music like before, i have listened to all the podcast there and i miss your podcast on amazon music because i can do my stuff while listening to you guys and educating myself! Please post there ss well, cheers!
Heya TA! Content will now be available on YT only. Appreciate you checking in!
The Nexon Sportback...
This is what exactly it should have been called from the beginning...
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Thanks Karthik and shumi bringing up the Tata truth so precisely and mindfully.
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Kudos to you Shumi for keeping a straight face and not make fun of em. But i gotta say i miss it. Give it straight and raw Shumi! Oh and the mimicking of the Tata audio for the mode change was awesome 😀
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It will be so sad to see Tata Motors going to the crapper. The public gave them a chance and they did quite well but now they are just toying with people’s emotions and trust. I hope they are taking their QA QC issues seriously or else they are on their way to becoming a very good case study for management students on ‘importance of QA QC and how it’s negligence can destroy a organisation ‘
We hope so too.