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- I picked up a Fujifilm X100f the other day and wanted to compare the film simulations against my Olympus Pen E-PL8 with the 17mm f/1.8. I setup the cameras as I would for any photo walk: Aperture Priority, AutoISO to 12800, some highlight and shadow adjustments, then exposure comp as needed. I will continue testing and summarize my thoughts in a future video.
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E-PL8 seems to nail the shots 99% of the time just like my old E-PL5. Amazing the capabilities of these little cameras. Who needs big Dslr cameras really.
Yes, the exposures were much closer to what I wanted in the Olympus. That said, I need to practice more with the Fuji to get a feel for how it exposes for different light and colors.
Thanks for another photo walk with you. You always find interesting subjects. Very nice pictures. The dog behind the fence is a fantastic one!
Thanks. I try!
I like the Fuji colours! The shot of the old fella playing the glasses on the Fuji was especially nice.
Thanks. I still have a long way to go to get the kind of images I want. I'm so used to Olympus and know exactly what to do but with Fuji there is bit of a learning curve. Not just with the settings, but how the camera exposes different lighting and colors.
Yea, a new keyboard! Nice video comparison. It will be in great to see your attempt to match the Fuji film profiles with Olympus workspace.
Thanks. Gonna try. Probably will be harder than it seems. The acros no problem, velvia add saturation, chrome subtract saturation. Obviously it will be not that simple, but I did those two things and got very close!
Overall I much prefer the E-PL8 over the Fuji. Both color and dynamic range. Also the Fuji needed a stop or two more ISO to get the same exposure. Tilt screens are a must for me as well. I owned an XT100S for a while. It was slow to actually take a photo and I just couldn't get used to it. It just wasn't what I thought it was going to be. My EM10mk3 is much better ergonomically, is about the same weight with the 17mm, and I believe is slight smaller. I usually have the Pro 12-40mm on it for everyday stuff. The Pro lens is one of the best I have ever owned. Thanks for the walk and including us in your process of getting used to a new camera system.
Yes, the fuji has no size/weight advantage really. If I put on a pancake zoom or prime on my Pen or EM10, it's pretty much the same. Working without a tilt screen is hard.
Love’d this one Rob. I get why you went with similar ap values. It shows the depth of field a great deal. Show’s me I need the 1.8 primes for my images on the omd-5 ii.
Thanks. Yes, primes are great. I did it mainly to keep the iso low and shutter speeds up in low light.
Never got on with the X100 series, and I've had them all. Olympus gave me way more keepers.
Love the music!
Thanks. I love acoustic guitar music. Big fan of most string instruments. Might have to find some banjo music next.
Great video and great photos! Both look fantastic. The Olympus IBIS is clearly better for video or vlogging. I wonder how the Fuji AF would do on moving subjects like small kids running around vs. Olympus. That’s where my PEN-F struggles.
Thanks. Yeah, the PenF C-AF feels weak, even compared to it's Olympus siblings. Not sure I can test the C-AF on moving subjects and give a legit opinion. I rarely shoot like that and there would be a lot of user error during testing.
I ve just bought a Fuji XT2. Couldn’t resist as the price is way down now. I’m finding it great to use, but so different to my Olympus. I took a walk around town just using the Classic Chrome sim. It’s very shadowy, sometimes hard to get right, but easy to change the exposure comp. when I did get it right the colours were wow. It’s quite a challenge . The deep shadows look great very contrasty for street photography. Every day I try a different sim. Then the next day alter the highlights and shadow tones. It’s fun.
Thanks for sharing. It will take some time to get used to how the camera exposes for different light and colors vs our Olympus. It's taken me almost 3 years to get what I want out of our Olympus cameras. I don't expect it will take me that long with any camera system now, but it's fun either way.
Great video Rob. Found your channel by doing a google search on infrared photography with Olympus cameras. Liked it enough that I watched several other videos including this one. Will watch more and subscribe to your channel. Just wondering if this video was shot in Alexandria, Va. If not it sure looked like it, down to the guy playing music with all the glasses of water.
Thanks, Lou. Happy you can join me in my journey. Yes, this was in Alexandria, as many of my vlogs are. I live just 15 minutes from there.
Rob Trek I’m thinking of getting one and found this video. Making the fit even better, I also live in Alexandria. Small world!
E-PL8 might be my next step up to my E-PM1
The EPL8 is a great little camera!
Got to go with the Olympus for exposure comp..seems to handle the shadow's better
I'm definitely used to how Olympus exposes things. I can work the fuji to get where I want with a little practice but there is definitely a slightly stronger tone curve here.
Another very enjoyable photowalk. That expression going Dutch. What does it mean and do you know where it comes from ?
I had the x100t but I sold it. The ergonomics were not working for me and also the fact that you cannot tilt the screen. The exposure compensation dial did not feel smooth enough either.
I was disappointed because I like the looks but it just did not feel good in my hands.
I've heard other photographers use the word when tilting the camera. I looked it up on wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_angle
Interesting read. The ergos aren't great for me either, but this is just a toy camera for me. Working without a tilt screen is tough though. It also lacks some other features I'm used to with Olympus. I'm not a big fan of the looks but it's growing on me.
Glad to see the comparisons between the PL8 and X100f. I had a Fuji XT-2 loaner last year and I find that the colours are too saturated for my taste, and the B&W are too contrasty. Seems like you are getting similar results. Colours are really a personal taste, so there is no such thing as "Fuji colours are better". I just don't buy into "colour science". We need to find the right balance and set the camera according to personal preference.
Couldn't say it any better. I'm gonna keep working with this camera until I get a feel for how it exposes for different lighting, color, and which situations the different film sims will shine.
Great video and pictures! I realize that this is an older video but do you remember what camera you used to film your vlog? Was it the e-pl8 or a different camera?
It was the Pen PL8
In almost every shot, I preferred the E-PL8!
Me too!
Hey Rob, thanks for doing this comparison. I used to have an XT-20 and I think Fuji tends to crush the black a bit too hard. I guess that's what gives them the "Fuji" look that people adore so much?
Anyway, it seems like the PL8 is not behind the Fuji in terms of colour reproduction at all. Vivid seems to be very similar to Velvia, except for the crushing black. I guess with just a bit of adjustment for the vivid mode, we can have something similar to Velvia in our Olympus bodies?
Yes, the fuji has a certain magic to it that I'm finding hard to duplicate. That said, the differences are very subtle and there's about 1000 other things that make a good photo than just the colors. Velvia is slightly more saturated and has a stronger contrast curve. I'm working on some settings to try to get close to the various film sims on Fuji.
Very good video as usual.
I picked up E-PL8 1.5 years back. But with lockdowns & pandemic, I have hardly used it. The 45 mm lens I have is great. But I could not use it much in home with less space to move around. I thought to get 17mm / 25 mm lens. I am getting a used 25mm lens for 170 bucks (13k Indian rupees). If I can have only one lens, would you recommend 25mm lens?
Immediate Usage: Indoor & kids shots, making of How-to videos?
Yes. I think the 25mm would probably be best. Still gives good bokeh but wide enough for more normal uses.
@@RobTrek thanks Rob.
For external mic, I don't get the SEMA mic adapter anywhere. The wireless mic what you use - doesn't it need any adapter? Can it be directly used in E-PL8
Good to see the higher ISO photos 12800 traditionally i limit myself to 6400 must experiment more .
Don't be afraid of high iso. I got stuck at 12800 because I don't know how to use the Fuji. I normally would set the auto iso to 25,600.
Fuji's film modes looks cool, have you bought the Fuji camera recently?
Yes, I picked up a used x100f Friday. Need to shoot more with it to get the results I want. Not used to how it exposes but liking the subtle film sims.
Morning......seems like some shots the Olympus nailed and some shots the Fuji nailed. Pretty much a tie to my eyes. Didn’t notice, which lens were you using for the E-pl8? I have been shooting my E-pl9 with an Olympus 12-40 pro lens. Bought the E-pl9 on a whim. For several years I have been using an e-pl1. Great camera. Waiting the the mark 5 lll to arrive in a few weeks and then that will be my go to camera. Glad you bought the new keyboard. LOL. Mark
I bought my E-PL8 by accident on an ebay auction. Man, that 12-40pro on an epl9? It gets weird for me when the lens weighs more than the camera. Yes, I'm excited about my new keyboard. Typing on it now, my fingers are getting a little tired. It's a full-on mechanical vs the chiclet style I was using before. I thought I would prefer mechanical but now I'm not so sure. Kinda like my experiment with this fuji camera. LOL.
I've been this route myself, wondering if the Fuji is worth having, but ended up parting with it. Just gets confusing and I prefer the Pen F.
I prefer the PenF as well, but had to scratch that itch!
@@RobTrek At least this sort of thinking keeps the manufacturers going...
Hi: Thinking of picking up one of these as a back up body.. I use lots of vintage lens on my EM10 MarkII. Does this camera have focus peaking and magnify for use with these vintage lenses ? And, if so can I assign a button function for these two features ? Thanks
Yes, on both the E-M10ii and E-PL8
@@RobTrek Thanks !!!
Hey can you put the link to your wireless mic in the description box?
I use this one now: amzn.to/31YfH0O Thanks.
Very good. Yes a bit under exposed here & there. I don't have the 100 but others. Be sure to mess about with the standard B&W settings too w/ filters. I have as much fun with them.
Thanks. I do have to break her in a bit more. Just barely scratched the surface. Need to get a feel for how this camera exposes in different light and colors. Also don't have a feel for which film sim or art filter works best for what. It's making nice images and can see some potential to do a lot more than I did here.
@@RobTrek if you go back to Ted Viera's vids a year or so back. Well that's when I went Fuji.
@@thegreatvanziniphotos5976 Never seen his channel until now. What an awesome guy! Reminds me of Wolfman Jack for some reason. I sub'd and will catch up on his vids. Thanks.
@@RobTrek He's great. As soon as I got my Fuji's, after being inspired by him,,, he went to film. LOL. As good as I thought his digi/ Fuji pics were, the film difference became clear right away. So I just have to go shoot 2 or 3 rolls a year.
@@thegreatvanziniphotos5976 I recently got back into film as you probably have seen. I like the film experience more than the actual images. It's definitely more rewarding.
For me it was the olympus almost every time.
apakah kamera ini bisa diatur manual saat vidoe mode?
Hey man do you suggest the olympus epl8 or lumix gx850? Both are for 550$ here in sydney?
I prefer the epl8 for IBIS for photography and Vlogging (with SEMA Mic adapter). If you don't care about vlogging, then the gx85 or em10ii is a better choice.
Rob Trek thanks for you reply i actually got a good deal on epl9 but i gotta wait till april to test nvm thanks man
Aside from the underexposing issue on the fuji, its kinda hard to tell the jpeg IQ on TH-cam. What is your overall impression for jpegs so far?
Looking at them directly on the monitor there is still little difference in full frame. The color differences are subtle. High ISO noise is all over the place. Some shots the Pen looks better, some the Fuji. But I had the Fuji noise reduction on at 0, which is not really 0 since you can dial in -4 noise reduction. I had the Pen noise reduction "Off". The fuji lens is soft up to f4 and everything is at f2 or f2.8 here. The Olympus 17mm is sharper at f/2 than the Fuji but they balance out at f/4. There are definitely some tone curve and hue variance between the two cameras, as well as how it meters the exposure in different light and colors. I think this has to do with the xtrans sensor is less sensitive to anything but red. Hence the slight magenta tint I'm getting across the board. A full legit test would white balance correct, DOF match, and constant luminance. This was just a photo walk to see what happens if I just take it out. Hope that helps.
Did I miss something? What Lens do you use on your E-PL8 in this Video?
Ah, yes. I used the Olympus 17mm f/1.8 prime.
I'm actually not decided between the EPl-8 (there is newer version though EP-L10,) or the EP7
What do you think?
Thanks
Definitely get the E-P7. It's pretty much the PenF without an EVF.
@@RobTrek thank you for the quick response. Yes the EP7 is nice and there are some decent deals on Ebay from Japan with the pancake lens.
But I was hoping for some weather-sealed. The closest is OM-d 5 mark iii but it is bulkier.
Regarding your comparison, the photos produced by the EPL 7 are far superior compared to Fuji. The EPL 7 colors and details are always there and it had just the right exposure.
Thanks again
Hey Rob, is there a way to wirelessly transfer photos from my Olympus pen f directly to my computer
Sorry. Not that I am aware of.
@@451greenwood you do understand the question was not about the age of the camera but about transferring photos?
I'd like to build a Pen-F colour mode matching what Fuji film simulation offer, other then just Velvia
Me too! I'm gonna work with this camera some more to get a feel for the different film sims. It's a little more than just saturation adjustments. There are some tone curve and hue shifts I think. Still a long way to go.
I think this is part of the reason the PEN-F failed to gain traction. They offer complete customization but really didn't offer any presets or recommendations. I did find a spreadsheet on a forum where a user had his PEN-F settings for Portra 160, 400, Kodachrome 25/64 and Velvia 50 simulations. If Olympus Offered a bunch of presets to get started, that'd be great.
@@ch716 that sounds like a good resource to have. Do you still have the spreadsheet?
@@rougecrown Hi. I did not make this but I just uploaded it here: www.dropbox.com/s/bwoxs83xxuajwlu/PEN-F%20Color%20Profiles.xlsx?dl=0
Great video and comparison. On a couple of shots I prefer Fuji, some there’s little difference but overall I prefer the Olympus shots. The Fuji ones seem too contrasty (the blacks are blacker) and colours a touch over saturated. If shooting jpg you can’t tone down high contrast scenes, but you can add contrast to more balanced images. A win for Olympus.
Yeah, it just depends on what the picture is. It's going to take a while for me to get what I want from this camera. I've pretty much can do anything I want with Olympus.
LOL from the beginning
The only thing in the profiles that really stood out were the yellows. The Fuji sees to be noticeably more saturated.
Yes, the color changes are very subtle. I'll have to shoot a lot more to get a feel for the kind of pictures each color profile will shine. I'm still trying to get used to how the camera exposes/meters shots. It feels underexposed compared to Olympus but there are also some tone curve differences.
I use both systems like the Fuji x and micro 4/3. Like them both. My fuji xt2 take slightly cleaner photos but it is a small difference there. Dept of field is is different and for portait the fuji is better or when wanting less dept of field ofcourse. You get more pop in the the photo with the fuji x sensor. Looking a little more 3 dimensional.
For landscape the micro 4/3 can win because of more dept of field. But my opinion is that 3:2 is better format than micro 4/3 for landscape. I crop then the micro 4/3 in the computer.
And the Ibis is a big plus. Micro 4/3 Ibis versus the fuji x sensor cleaner on higher iso. Micro 4/3 small and light lenses and many light bodies. (Fuji also have a few light ones like the Fuji xe3)
Also costing less then fuji x. I use primes only so i cant say about the zooms.
I have had fullformat before but today i shoot only mirrorless. The weight and the price.....no thank you!
Image quality between fuji x and micro 4/3 is very small.
One problem with fuji x is that they give darker shadows sometimes. Not always but sometimes compared to my micro 4/3 cameras. I have been shooting with early Olympus ep cameras, em10 mark2 and some em5, panasonic G80 and Gx9.
The shadows i need to work more with in the computer with fuji x but not always.
Thanks for sharing. All reasonable points. I'm finding the shadows a bit darker time to time. Have you found any particular instances where it tends to go darker more often than not?
Rob Trek Yes, i took a photo in a tight forest and there was strong light coming threw and also a lot of shade. The dark areas where to dark. But this do not happen so often. I still think fuji x has slightly better image quality. But micro 4/3 is very close today
What a great test on pictures love the Olympus colours BUT I’m liking the natural photos from the Fuji as mush lol,couldn’t really make a choice which I’d pick over the other,on the video Olympus wins,on B/W Fuji’s better
It was a fun little test. Still have a long way to go. But the Fuji film sims are very subtle. Not sure it's worth the trade off. Kinda pricey, no ibis, and no tilt screen. There are some other workflow issues that are limiting too, like it has a level but no pitch correction meter, you can't shoot bracketed film sims with raw or art filters. I could go on, but need to make sure I'm not missing something menu wise that would work around this.
@@RobTrek still think I'd take my Pen-F even considering its age,
Brilliant. I am glad that Olympus won over another brand...any brand... except Nikon, because I have Nikon gear too...😜
Thanks. We all win with choice!
Yep my main camera is also nikon Z6 just sold my D810 and D750... So my kit is nikon Z6 and Z7 and olympus O-M1 and my go everywhere stunning PenF.... Went with olympus over fuji because I love the lenses but like nikon there prices are on the rise with every new release
Looks like Olympus Pen is the winner-IBIS, better exposure, and tilting screen. Anyway the Fuji beats the Olympus.
Ha! Pretty much sums it up.
Wow, the Fuji X100F has such jiggly video... why do they bother putting it in there??? 🙄
The monochromes from the PL8 were great... were they RAW files that you processed or JPGs? They compared well to the “famous” Fuji Acros film simulation!
Thanks. They were straight out of camera jpgs. I think the x100f video is just to check the box for marketing. Most users of that camera aren't interested in video.
I suspect if you printed these you wouldn’t be able to tell much difference, at least on small prints
The differences so far are very subtle. I will print some when I get a better feel for the camera's input/output. As is, the pictures I took here would be difficult to see a difference in print.
I won't want to buy fuji)))
Great video Rob, I agree Fuji underexposes, it all over the internet, not sure what lens did you use with the Pen, but the x100f is their niche camera, fixed screen, no ibis, lens is soft at f2 and close distances, so if you have to stop down to 2.8 or 4, you kinda loose the benefit of more light gathering of the larger APS-C sensor. however, if Pen/Pen-F or any OMD coupled with Oly best lenses is compared to a XT2/XT3/XT30 with their F2/1.4 lenses, ... fuji should perform a lot better specially in low light...
IMO, Oly is fun to use, cheaper, handling is better + the ibis, suffer over iso3200, Art Filters are good but they too many, some of them toyish and should be disabled right away. Fuji is expensive and no ibis but better in low light and film simulations are better looking.
Thanks. You pretty much summed it up! As for the art filters, I'm still struggling to find a good subject for "Watercolor". So that one is always avoided or turned off.
Hi Rob, great video. You may have already seen this but this is a good video on tweaking the 100f settings th-cam.com/video/CXh6WgoukeY/w-d-xo.html
Thanks. I haven't seen that one. Will check it out. I really need to shoot a lot more to get a feel for how this fuji camera exposes for different light and colors. I can nail it with Olympus because I've done 10's of thousands of shots.