BYU Book of Mormon Fiasco
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ASU visiting professor gives a large Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion lecture on the Book of Mormon declaring that, "iniquity is inequity." Positions Nephite Dissenters as the victims, and leans on Critical Theory and Liberation Theology to infuse meaning in the sacred text.
Says Gadianton Robbers are just a group with grievances who are "dispossessed" from their land.
Mormon Studies Scholar learns Critical Theory and tweets, "Nephi is not a good guy."
"This will get much worse." Mormon Studies is "bathed" in Critical Theory.
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I just read Alma 28:13,14. Alma points out plainly that the "inequality of Man is because of sin and transgression, and the power of the devil..." When we attempt to teach what "WE" think we start to muddy the waters of plain, precious and simple truths.
Thanks Greg! I'm glad you were born into our generation and have a firm testimony of Jesus Christ.
The word is "inequality" I believe, not inequity.
@@kenthansen5015 oops. That's what I meant. Thanks for catching that. I'll fix it. Sometimes my brain spins faster than my fingers can catch up with.
Wait. Is it ok to read scriptures for what they mean, rather than to read them to justify behavior? I bet you actually believe Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were prophets. How not woke.
Inequity activism has to do with institutionalized disadvantaging, which makes Elder Bednar's book One By One very pertinent. The right way you overcome institutional problems is to start focusing on optimal outcomes for each person. The One By One nature of the Lord's relationship to us, the invitations from President Nelson to meet Him in the temple one on one, the Gift of the Holy Ghost, and also the Church's ministering assignments and Come Follow Me personal study directive is evidence that we are operating on a more optimal level than institutions accused of inequity. Take a person where they are at, and help them optimize their upward slope despite their y intercept (The Parable of the Slope - Clark Gilbert gen conf). This can apply to all institutions, and does to ours -- one by one God raises us up.
The verse you quoted just says precisely what this speaker is suggesting. Where there is "inequality", it's because of sin. How much more plain does it need to be.
Now, I guess the nuance is how you define "equality", but if I use the BOM itself and point to 4 Nephi as the model for Zion, then I don't know how we Latter day saints shouldn't be concerned that we are supporting an unequal system. I'm not talking about top-down redistribution (equity).
Greg, I am a future history teacher in training at UVU and I can attest that I'm getting training in Critical Theory in almost every class. It has been difficult, but I'm managing to sift through the language of academia that I'm being baptized in and grasp onto little gems and nuggets of truth. I have no intention of teaching neo-Marxist ideology in my future history classroom and in fact, I intend to counter it with love, facts, and logic. Anyway, great work as always, and thank you for taking the time to inform us of what is happening in our own backyard.
Stay strong! I got a MA in history way back in the early Obama era and it was already tough then. I can't imagine how hard it is now to sift through all the propaganda.
Same brother. I'm at West Virginia University, and they are doing the same thing. I have chosen not to use any Neo-Marxist ideas in my future classroom either.
Read The Federalist Papers, any thing by Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. These will help strengthen your mind, and also, help the most, reading The Bible and the Book of Mormon will strengthen your mind the most. And your spirit! Answer the tests the way the teacher wants you to, so that you get your grades, and also your certification. But, be prepared to be a rebel-you are part of freeing our country, by way of educating our youth, in principles of self-control, common sense, and righteousness and freedom. These are things the kids need to learn. I think their parents know these principles, but cannot articulate them or teach them very well, sometimes. You will be helping these parents!
I genuinely hope that you can manage to avoid it. I backed out of my history degree because of horrible experiences I had in my classes. I also hope that you can stay strong even when school districts and curriculums push in the opposite direction.
It would be helpful to have specifics on how to battle this theology beginning to influence our culture.
I was at this lecture. The room was full of people, overflowing to the door. People had to sit on the floor it was so full. This is something that not only something that many faculty members crave, but unfortunately many students as well.
Even more than the message delivered here, is the reception of this pernicious message.
Why is it pernicious? The goal of the message may be pernicious but the message itself is straight from our own BOM scriptures.@@andrewwood6285
It truly is Marxian and communist. Never thought I would see it creep into the church and twist the focus of the BOM. Never!
Becoming BYU is going to be painful for some.
The event was also HIGHLY Incentivized
I'm attending BYU Pathways currently, and for my BUS 321 Organizational Leadership class, this week's studies are focused on "equity, inclusion, & belonging."
I'm not pleased with the content, I am offended that this is being taught here and I am intent on speaking up boldly against it, even if it negatively affects my grades. I will not be a spineless coward, and I will stand up for my own convictions and defend the truth. I dont want Critical Theory to appear anywhere in this university or anywhere in the Church.
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What is sad is the new President of BYU was previously head of the new Diversity Equity and Belonging.
Lo, Zion's standard is unfurled. God bless you. I'll be praying for you and with you in spirit. I stood up to a few BYU profs in a doctoral program in the, '90's. My grades suffered, but I truly got a better education.
*I actually got a more spiritually sound education at USU in another program.
Let me understand this, you believe that equity, inclusion and belonging are bad. Then explain to me how you understand the LDS Church's 13th Article of Faith. The last sentence states, "...If there is anything virtuous, lovely or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things." When I see words like equity, inclusion and belonging, I see them as positive. Why do you think they are not positive or of good report?
When the scriptures talk about "if it were possible, that even the very elect would be deceived" we see that happening now. We are the elect. We have the truths of the gospel. This is why it is so important to have a firm testimony of Jesus Christ and his teachings, and follow the current prophets.
That's true. I've witnessed it firsthand in my own life. You can have a very strong background of faith in Jesus Christ, and you can have a plethora of spiritual experiences, but falling away is an inevitability once you begin to consume things that are contrary to the gospel, even if it isn't necessarily on purpose. It's happened to me multiple times, and I would consider myself a person with a solid understanding of gospel principles. Though, even such an understanding tends to fade away when one lives a life far from God.
"Elect" means having and magnifying the priesthood. If you want to be blown away read the Joseph Smith Translation of Matt 23/24. Notice how many times the Savior uses "elect". Hint: it is found behind the PGP.
What’s PGP?
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@@brightdaysahead382pearl of great price. JST for the verse referenced here is "if possible, they shall deceive the very elect, who are the elect according to the covenant."
Thank you for drawing attention to this. This focus on the polarization of the oppressed and the oppressor is the definition of “looking beyond the mark”. The Book of Mormon is truly for our day. The Lamenites themselves used the reasoning of being “the dispossessed” to enact atrocities on others. It’s amazing to me that a visiting professor would use that same faulty thinking! The polarization we see in the world will of course eventually reach into the church. Those who follow the prophet and know God’s pattern in reference to Zion will stay true.
It is nearly impossible to believe Babylon and the BOM at the same time. Greg is right when he warns us what is coming. I think much of his wisdom is derived from actually reading and pondering comments. Me too. Thanks for your abundant contributions.
People who aren't accountable will not accept the notion that disparity is an eternal principle. You are right people have a difficult time with this. Our salvation is individual and we are responsible for our own salvation to follow Christ and do our best. Only then we are saved by Grace. So grateful for our prophet and the apostles ❤. Thank you for explaining this.
I don't know how but the church needs to reign in BYU. This is crazy. BYU is becoming a self eating snake. Thanks for bringing this to the forefront Greg.
What if this is them slowly raising the temperature of the water. Slow enough that most people don’t notice and as fast as they can without getting pushback. What if this is the change that Nelson was talking about? Reminds me of the 11 essays. They wanted to write them because a lot of people were finding out information that turned out to be true. After figuring out, they had not been told the truth about the history. A lot of them were leaving the church. So the church wanted a place where members could go that was a controlled place to learn about what the real history was. Stephen E Snow gives a good talk about inoculating the youth. I was shocked when I started reading history about how unpopular Ezra Benson was among other members of the 12. Interesting times are coming.
remember gadianton robbers will creep in not only in gov't but also in educational institution. they will strike at the very core. the future generation.
@DigD97 Ezra Taft Benson was ahead of his time, saw and understood what was happening during his time, what led to his time, and what was coming because of people like pagan, marx, engels, the international Babylonian cabalist banking cartel, equality, etc.
US citizens, and members of the church didn't take heed and still didn't, which is disconcerting and not surprising.
BYU and the students need to concentrate on the gospel and not care about the world and it's culture. Shame.
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Ya benson promoted the Idea of accountability and seems to me small government whereas most religious leaders seem to love big government and printing new money out of thin air or Keynesian economics.
Read the federal reserve act. The federal reserve is a private central bank paying a 6%dividend. Eccles from Logan, Utah, pushed Keynesian economics in the Great Depression. Maybe at the time it was fine but all it did was open up things for more money creation out of thin air which is theft or theft of purchasing power. Perhaps some say it’s fine if the increase in goods and services match it. Idk. Look at the fiat dollar and compare it to an actual U.S. mint gold coin.
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I think byu and students should care about the world somewhat. Imagine if the church would have said Keynesian economics or printing new money out of thin air leads to theft of purchasing power. No Christians care anymore. Only Muslims even talk about interest still being bad.
But imagine if colleges did talk about moral or ethical forms of money. The scriptures have different examples of money.
You mention the banking cartel. Most college students don’t know the federal reserve is privately owned or that it pays a 6%dividend
Thanks Greg! Great stuff! This is sad, just because as a church, as you know, we are going to be studying the book of Mormon this next year, collectively. I’m also a full-time seminary teacher. And super excited for 2024. But stuff like this drives me crazy! It boggles my mind that people can go in and start teaching these precepts of men and Incomplete or at times false doctrines. What happened to just reading the book of Mormon and letting the Holy Ghost fill our souls with light and direction, peace, and hope?
Now, wait a minute.....Are you suggesting that as individuals we must stand on our own tub bottom and get our own revelation????? What a novel idea!! Maybe cut out the preacher between us and God? Good idea!!!
When you associate one word meaning "injurious actions toward God" and another word that means "injurious actions toward. . . another" it is a sure sign that you are attempting to take GOD out of the equation. when you take God out of the Gospel, you begin to rely on the "precepts of men. . . mingled with scripture." This is how Satan attempts to get a hold of the hearts of the youth, the bright lights that will lead the church into the Mellennium. the attempt is then to get them to question the Holy Ghost promptings and lure us just far enough from the light to be apathetic fence sitters. We know that if we are sitting on the fence, God will spew us out of his mouth.
I’m a professor of history. I don’t teach like this, in fact I try to alert my students that they are being led down this path, which may explain why it took so long to find a faculty position, and why the big universities wouldn’t touch me.
As for him defending the Gadianton Robbers, sounds very similar to the excuses why the rioting in 2020 was “ok”
Yes, there is a direct correlation to Laman and Lemuel and BLM.
@@CwicShow and if you read the letter the GR wrote, offering to let the Nephites join, he uses interesting terms: "your forefathers wronged us," "we only seek our rights," "what we do is just." It's uncanny.
@@warwompitalmost like someone saw our day and wrote us a book for our day that would highlight problems we would face and how to combat them.
It's time for a caption Moroni to come and root out the king men. Funny how they were not found amongst the lamanites, or anti Nephi lehis, bc they wouldn't put up with it.
@@CwicShow I assume that by your logic you are happy black people are still marked with the mark of Cain / Labam and Lemuel ? and are still substandard? so thus treat them as such
@@MarkIngle1959 what an asinine, unintelligent comment. But to those who see everything through race, sexual orientation, gender, and all other victim/oppressor filters, I suppose this is a natural response. For those who have race on the brain they’re the ones obsessed with race and see everybody through that lens. You’re the problem!
I am a 75 year old convert. I presently live in MD. Just the other day I was telling my daughter how church isn't like it used to be. I don't even like to go as it is painful to see what's happening. The list is long but standards are falling for the teddy bear message. Have no fear I will continue to go and do MY duties. Satan is not going to win with me. I am aware.
Feeling much the same- soft bellied talks and Sunday School. We attend to renew our covenants with the sacrament. Most else becomes entertainment many times- speakers just read paragraphs from Conference talks. Same in RS. Whoever makes the decision on what will be taught must not trust that we can read anymore!
@@marensvien4652 And testimony meetings are talks without testimonies. When someone DOES bear a powerful testimony, the spirit wafts into the room and hangs in the air to say, "This is true. believe."
Would you be willing to explain what church was like through the ages? I'm interested in hearing about it through the stories of someone who has been around for a while and accumulated a good bit of knowledge and stories(a.k.a. a grandparent). I'm 34 and have been LDS my whole life although I wasn't baptized until about 4 years ago so technically I also am listed as a convert.😅
Some of my best friends are and have been older people. I love hearing stories and gaining bits of wisdom from them. Almost nothing better. Also, I don't mind long comments.❤😊
@@weirdsweetcoolplantsWell, I'm going to have to think about this. First I am not a good writer in fact it is a struggle. I am a much better talker.
@@donnacrimmins789 that's fine. If you can that's great. If not, I have several 70+ year olds in my own neighborhood I can ask. I can definitely relate to what you said about writing and talking about different things especially on a phone or tablet.
Is he missing one of the things that the Book of Mormon teaches? That as soon the people become righteous, they become industrious and prosperous in the land?
I am blown away by how woke byu is. It's insane! I see this more and more in the church and it's terrifying. I legitimately don't know what will happen in the future.
Our ward was challenged by our bishop to read the BOM before Christmas...so I am at Alma talking to his son Corianton and wow does this give awesome response to just what you are talking about. I work in a school and critical thinking is NOT what people think it is when they hear it.
All critical theories are used subtly by Satan to pick holes at truth even though it appears well-intentioned. It is the same with EDI ... on the periphery, those words sound good, but what the EDI movement actually does is create division and dissension.
@@anthonyrippa686 Why?
@@anthonyrippa686 True. I wouldn’t want to do it every time. But there are lessons you can find this way too. It’s easier to grasp the societal patterns when you have the earlier history freshly in mind. But mainly I think they do it as a way of getting us to read at all, which, obviously, isn’t going to work on or for everyone. But it does work for some.
@@anthonyrippa686i got my testimony of the BOM doing one….. just because you dont have the wisdom to know how itll help someone does not mean it isn’t inspired comeon now
I have watched some podcasters that claim to believe and support the church, but they say that the brethren are out of step. I started to realize that even though they claim to be faithful members and fight the anti-mormon podcasts they have a problem in their beliefs. It made me really sad. I have put my faith in Christ and the brethren. Whenever I see a member question the leadership I am troubled in my heart. I have commented many times about how those things are wrong. It hasn't changed their position and I have stopped watching their channels. I have come down to a very small group of channels that I watch. What is happening within the membership of the church is deeply troubling to me. I have seen these same problems within my extended family. I need Christ in my life and his guidance. I am imperfect and desire to be with our Heavenly Father and Jesus some day. It is sad to see how blinded people can become when they consume themselves with worldly ideas. I appreciate your efforts to help members and non-members find answers to avoid the pitfalls.
That's great that you put your faith in Christ. But why would you put your faith in "the brethren"? What are "the brethren" doing to counter, rather than facilitate, the woke-ification of the church and affiliated institutions? Regardless, the Lord's counsel is the you "trust not in the arm of flesh."
@@OmahaAreaLoya What the Bretheren are doing is teaching the plain and precious truths of the Gospel that really matter and that need to be the focus of our lives. If we focus on those things I believe we won't be deceived. I don't know how much involvement the Bretheren have in what is taught at BYU. It will be interesting to see if anything changes in the future, seeing the shockwave that this particular speaker has caused.
@@OmahaAreaLoya well it would seem that, at least based on what I'm hearing/seeing them say in conference and other venues, they are teaching the Doctrine of Christ. That is THE most effective thing they can do.
Have noticed more than a few lds apologist being such hardcore leftists that try to twist the church toward their own beliefs and ignore when talks by the leadership contradict their personal believes.
I think that “the brethren” would want you to put your whole faith in Christ. Not sure by brethren if you mean the 15 or any priesthood holder or 70s or what.
Greg. This episode should be among the kinds of lectures taking place at BYU right now!
Do you think they would invite me?
@@CwicShowwhat formal education do you have? You likely don’t meet the ‘standard’.
@@i2rtw Likely not.
@CwicShow Hopefully, sometime in the future, enough students will see you and invite you to speak. Too optimistic? Haha
I am only 10 years removed from my time at both UVU and BYU, and things sound much worse than when I was there... but then again, I wasn't in the humanities or social science realms
@@CwicShow - Why not. Let’s figure out how to get you invited.
The Book of Mormon is for our day for this VERY reason! We can’t let the adversary turn us from God’s ways
People that spend all their time being “ Wroth” accomplish little. In their self-made poverty, They turn to victimhood, next to terrorism, and finally a self-righteousness that excludes Christ and His doctrine ,justifying their persecution of those who are striving to be faithful. Thank you for this insightful information.
We have to be careful how we look up definitions. Online a simple google search of "iniquity" will define it as "un equal" However, the new testament that we have was originally written in Greek. The Greek term for Iniquity is "Anomia" which means "without law or lawlessness." The LDS scriptures would define iniquity as: Sin, Injustice, Evil, Transgression, Trespass & Wickedness.
Thank you for your analysis of this topic.
Exactly! In my study of Isaiah, iniquity is described as the fallout of sin-iniquity follows the children for 4 generations because it’s hard to overcome sin if the parents.
just did a google search of the word "iniquity." Defiition that came up was "immoral or grossly unfair behavior. Wickedness." Did you maybe type in inequality by mistake?
Possibly you mean inequity. Very different.
Thank you to Luke Hansen for bringing this all to light. He and Jacob Hansen, along with Ward Radio, have been amazing sources of light for me.
Thanks!
Is this who recorded the lecture that Greg took snippets from? (Luke Hansen, Jacob Hansen and Ward Video)
I like their song Mmm Bop
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@@lukehanson_Do you have. TH-cam channel?
This also vindicates or validates Pres Nelson's statement that the time will come that "it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Ghost."
Philosophies of men mingled with scriptures! Satans rule….
I was going to say the same thing.
Or worse, mingled IN scripture!
Look at the fruits of critical race theory. Enough said. Heavenly Father please protect our Church through these end times❣️Thank you God for all your teachings when we are confused❣️✝️🛐🌎🌍🌏
Greg Thank you for including the article from Cougar Chronicle. The comments made by the author are awesome. Eliza Andersen (author) stands and speaks truth, something that is lacking in this day and age. If you haven't read the article yet you need to. I particularly loved the quotes by President Benson.
Can you link article here?
I can't find her article.. can we get a link
Ok. This was an amazing video! An underlying concept I kept seeing while listening to you on this: This is a self-sustaining ideology that, once set, will be almost impossible to irradicate. With any concept that removes the responsibility of sin, and changes it into an oppression, ie iniquity versus inequity: a major *hurdle* is raised high up of self responsibility, that to overcome it and get back to a repentant state will require a new higher degree of humility for the individual. This is such a new and intense rebranding of justification that is unreal! As a result without only a change of heart, but also a change in their concept of reality, will either equate to true repentance not taking place if attempted or not at all! This is such a damning view on pure doctrine that will literally starve all Eternal progression of the individual who embraces it! In every way, this teaches the individual to rid themselves of sin not through the atonement of Christ, but because of the sins and oppressions of others, ridding themselves of responsibility of their own choices. And if repentance is attempted in this state, I imagine their thought process will be something like this, "I'm sorry I feel bad that I did it but it wasn't really my fault. It's because of so-and-so" to any who are unaware, this is polar opposite of how correspondence and relationships exist in the Celestial Kingdom, people do not arrive there by pointing fingers at others. A somewhat unknown attribute of an eternal soul in the celestial kingdom, is theyre capable of enduring public scrutiny, and do not shrink by seeking to cover up their sins or seek justification by blaming others.
As you put it, this is sincerely in direct opposition of the true doctrine and of Christ.
Well said! ❤
And they heap into themselves teachers, having itching ears. The "easy doctrines" are so attractive to spiritually lazy people.
@@Cindybin46 try it in a Sunday school class. Another trigger is "truth". Most members don't want theology, they want therapy.
@rolandsmith4394 Agreed! True therapy comes from the Spirit after truth is learned. The Holy Ghost is the ultimate therapist. The adversary with its justifications and feel good finger pointing may seem like its working as a sort of bandaid, cant last. If we harden our hearts against the Spirit and seek to maintain this new form of spiritual delusion, we enable a full stop in Spiritual growth. To purposely rip off the bandaid so true healing can happen, is *not* something the natural man is capable of without Gods help, trusting in Him.
Wow! @JournalOfDiscourses, amazing, insightful comment!
Can’t wait to talk to my Granddaughter over Thanksgiving about this. She is attending BYU. Thanks Greg for being a voice of truth.
Be careful! She may not want to come to thanksgiving again…
Thank you for your diligence. I homeschool my 17 year old grandson. I have since he was in 2nd grade. Even though we have a wholesome, well rounded curriculum where he doesn’t learn about this type of stuff, it has found its way into his psyche through social media. It’s a real struggle. I’m grateful for future teachers that are pushing back. 😊
Ok so can we just call this guy Professor Korihor?
I would never know about all the church gossip without this channel! thank you!!!! not trying to provoke with the gossip word, Just couldn't come up with a better word. anyways. Love knowing what's happening in church culture, thanks for your objective yet optimistic take on things.
"Disparity is an eternal principle if you have agency." - Greg Matsen
It is so interesting to me that God protects our agency, but to disagree with Him is spiritual death. I want so badly to understand my Father. Some day. But not without constantly striving for expanded wisdom.
@@rolandsmith4394 Disagreeing is one thing, rebellion is another. We are all dead spiritually (all separated from the presence of God), and will all die physically, and only through repentance and the gift of Christ's atonement and resurrection are we redeemed, resurrected, and restored to the presence of God. He knows our hearts though, and that restoration (which we will all experience at the judgement) is a time that also follows the resurrection and the spirit world.
Becoming more alive (less dead) spiritually and connected to Christ in this life, though, is availlable through the gift of the Spirit, and those can be experienced in or out of the church, but the Lord invites us to come closer to him, so that He can draw closer to us. Maybe I speak too much...
Greg -your passion for clarity is admirable-may I suggest that the Book of Mormon emphasizes individual agency and accountability as defined by God.Critical theory or secularism is a theory that challenges the principles of agency and accountability. The purpose of critical theory is to challenge the concept of ‘sin’ as defined by God! - What say you ?Thank you for your passion ☺️
I agree.
It’s from the devil, not sure BYU is safe to attend anymore.
Not in the Humanities. They are the worst because they are dishonest about their agenda.
It makes me nervous to have any family attend colleges. My wife is going through pathways at byu wanting to major in psychology and its been extremely difficult on our family. Shes allowed ideals that have been slowly eroding her testimony and i cant say boo otherwise it becomes a fight. I dont know what to do because i see the difference, my kids do too and all she says is she's always felt this way and that she disagrees that christ would punish people for small sin etc... BYU had been a great disappointment. I have cousuns and friends that have left the church after going to BYU
Very sad indeed. My nieces and nephews polluted too. And their parents say nothing!
Well... she is right. Christ won't "punish" people for small sins. That's not what He does.
The whole point of throwing off iniquity and working on "perfecting" oneself is to be with God again in HIS Kingdom.
HE cannot look upon "sin" with the least degree of allowance, but He allows your freeagency to choose it. In the end those persons are not "punished", they simply will not be allowed to be anywhere near the realms where GOD and Jesus Christ are.
This anti-Christ doctrine (crirical theory) infecting society is designed to seperate people even further from God. A cunning and sophisticated way to cause people to lose their faith in God and religion.
@@windy42305 Parents don't want to parent and they haven't for at least 2 decades. Parenting is the hardest work.
@bdraudt2307 I just want to ask for clarification... Is she going to BYU or BYU-I? As far as I know, there's a big difference. In my experience with the Pathway program, it's helped my testimony grow phenomenally. I'm at BYU-I though. I think it's important to discuss the difference between the schools because the Pathway Program has the power to bring people out of darkness and poverty, so I don't think it's fair to knock an entire system based on some people using it.
@@growinginmotherhoodHi, I was at Pathway and helped me a lot, BYU-I, was good too, so what is the difference between both? Cause I am an international student
This is terrifying. I hadn't realized that it had infiltrated into the Church to this extent. Thank you for explaining it so well!
Thank you so much, you are a guiding light for those of us that have troube articulating what we know and feel.
Where are the deans and President of BYU on this?
the silence is deafening. And we are so soft now ( I was kicked out of BYU prior to my mission and had to work my way back to Get back in....and I respected them for kicking me out even though I didnt like it at the time)
But you aren't the same person you were then. We become a new creature as we renew our faith and repent. And some of the best disciples experienced regrets; Ammon, Alma, Adam & Eve; Lamoni,
I suspect thay are taking a bit of a different view. The lecture series is specifically identified as alternate - or non canonical - ideas. The problem is that aspect is not emphasized, and so it is given a sense of credibility since it is provided by the university. I expect the leadership is seeing this as expanding minds and strengthening people, but the tools that wouold make it so are missing.
@@noahriding5780 Being kicked out was the start of a new life that actually made me stop and think about my life path . That's the benefit of consequences thats missing at BYU today
Thanks for this video Greg.
I grew up in Mexico and have lived in Utah for over thirty years. Your description of the mexican culture is spot on.
A fundamental experience in my life was in high school in Utah county. When Birkenstock sandals appeared I noticed the hurry everyone had to own some and to be seen wearing them. You’re wondering why what’s up with this.😂
My point is that there’s something about me that can’t stand going with trends. To accept the zeitgeist of the time and speak with the accepted words of the day.
You would be amazed how I tried to talk down the “gringos tontos” who were posting on social media their apologies for being white and privileged. “Remember your parents” I’d say. “I’m sure they overcame a lot and are probably good people . Ayayay! Estos gringos tontos.
That’s the way I am . A rebel to those who are desperate to belong to the easy things of the world. Thanks for this again. Keep it up.
Thank you so much for sharing your insight and understanding of this frightening teachings! I live in my own little bubble as a senior citizen and am not aware of what is going on! Thank goodness for our Prophet telling us that we will not be able to survive without the constant influence of the Holy Ghost, in the coming days! Thank you for helping clarify this critical theory. May Father bless you as you help us see more clearly what is happening!🙏🙏
Fantastic review and clarity of this pernicious ideology.
48:23 “The serpent was more subtle than any beast.”Gen. 3:1
“Blinded by the subtle craftiness of men,” D&C123:12
Where more is given more is “required.” An expectation is something hoped for, whereas a requirement is something that is demanded, something that is necessary.
Iniquity has always been related to using moral agency in an evil way… opposite of God’s will.
Thanks, Greg. I was considering BYU as an option for my college-aged kids, but...... with what I'm seeing these days - I've reconsidered. I graduated from the University of Utah but knew going in that it was an extremely liberal school, so with my eyes wide open, I enrolled. That was in the early 90's. I fought against the liberal slant at every angle. I made it out with my testimony intact and possibly even stronger. Now.....from what I've seen in the past 10 years, I'm more confident that my kids' guard would be down when attending church school and would be easily manipulated by the clever sophists of the day like this Pagan from ASU in your podcast. I am preparing my kids AT HOME, before university, with the knowledge that they will encounter the barbs of the adversary, such as CRT and the Liberal mindset. Also, this way of thinking is counter to God's Plan of Salvation and teaches "victimology" and self-deprecating thought processes. It doesn't take but 3 brain cells to know that God never intended for us to cower to oppressive thought or lifestyle ideologies. ----- Keep up the good fight. Stay strong and keep vigilant.
Thanks for your video Greg, a few years ago I was a teacher in the primary in my ward for 9-10 year olds. When we spoke about the plan of salvation one of my learners told me that it (the PoS) was racist because not everyone goes to the Celestial Kingdom. I of course explained it has nothing to do with race. I have seen this world view already creeping into my ward. It is sad to see when families leave the church because of a general conference talk they didn't like. It is also painful to see Gospel Doctrine teachers that do not uphold the proclamation to the world on the Family when the subject is brought up but will say the church has a pamphlet for caring for the planet and that we need to pollute less... We must hold strong in the doctrine of Christ, that He came to die for us who are unprofitable servants, to give us a chance to repent, take the spirit and be reborn a new creature in Christ, that it is spiritual deliverance that brings the new creature out and not some Marxian world view with superfluous virtues that obliterate agency. May God bless us to see through the mists of darkness!
The part where he says iniquity and compares it to inequity, he's muddying the waters, and blurring lines. Iniquity is sin, wickedness, worldliness, and thoughts, words, and actions that are not of God. Inequity is un-equality, or unequel, as if there's something bad or wrong with that; the poor we always have with us, and we can help those who will accept it. This man can try all he wants, but the book of Mormon's main reason is to convince Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the Savior, Alpha and Omega, Eternal. To me, it's simply another witness of Christ. Thanks Greg!
I’ve been hearing stuff like this for decades as I’ve visited various wards. Thanks brother.
Yes, it’s been brewing for years. I recall it mostly coming from women Sunday school teachers at least initially.
Are the shepherds Christ has called a sleep at the switch like little boy blue?
There are three areas of work that Christ has charged to the Church, not just humanitarian aid to "look good to the world" which does help missionary work to enter other nations which of course is a good thing. But, the Church is bleeding our single adults in the English speaking nations for sure (My son who works in England, states no one his age attends church in his area).
@@andrewwood6285 whoah! I’m a woman and a gospel doctrine teacher. I don’t teach anything remotely like this squishy morphing of plain Bk of M teaching about the bondage of sinners to Satan into critical social justice fake empathy for the sinner. Jesus came to set the captive free. Not free from oppressive patriarchal power structures but free from bondage to Satan that comes from sin, I.e., the “chains of hell.” Remember, “I am no devil, for there is none “
@@BattleStarPegasus1Without a doubt, single adults are leaving the Church at an alarming rate and it is these types of theories and philosophies that speak to those with weak testimonies.
@@danpiedra3910AMEN!
I don't envy the brethren for navigating the church through this. It will be tough to figure out how to maintain unity in the Kingdom of God while never sacrificing core beliefs or doctrines given to us by God. But at the same time, nothing that man or the enemy of righteousness can do will surprise the Almighty. He's already planned for this, I am sure, since the foundation of this earth, most likely even before that. We have to trust Him on this and follow him whenever and wherever He needs us.
It’s the middle of the night and I was awakened from sleep and decided to listen to this. Thank you Greg!
Yesterday in my personal studies I was confronting the blood thirsty nature of the Amalekites and the zoramites and eventually the disobedient Nephites and thinking how closely related to the polarization of the two sides in the Middle East.
How those who torture and rape, maim and murder are being painted with a white brush and on this canvas become the oppressed! Unimaginable! The Book of Mormon makes it very clear that any people can fall into transgression and become a depraved lot of disaffected believers who choose pride and sin over charity and obedience to our fathers commandments!
Also very obvious and Moroni makes this very clear that Ammoron knows that he is wrong and yet chooses to hold fast to his belief system! (Alma 55:1)
“ …because he knew that Ammoron had a perfect knowledge of his fraud; yea he knew that Ammoron knew that it was not a just cause that had caused him to wage a war
against the people of Nephi.”
Why does he pursue this then ? Because he wants to oppress the nephites for power and remove their freedom of religion so he can rule over them and place them in bondage which is the ultimate end of all those who choose this philosophy!
Why is this so hard to see ?
“…blinded by the craftiness of men!” We are here again! Please stay well and keep speaking out against this pernicious evil Greg!
33:00 Justifying evil actions as a consequence of supposedly being unfairly dispossessed is the same argument used by Laman and Lemuel.
That is correct. And it flows all the way through the Book of Mormon. But with Critical Theory, Laman and Lemuel are the vicitm heroes.
Mosiah 10:17 And thus they have taught their children that they should hate them, and that they should murder them, and that they should rob and plunder them, and do all they could to destroy them; therefore they have an eternal hatred towards the children of Nephi.
Nelson is at the head of trustees for BYU...where are the church leaders in all this? Don't understand how this kind of stuff has been going on for years with our leaders silent. I'm concerned for possible apostasy even within the church
Not from the highest levels.
He means you wont see apostasy from the highest levels of the church. What you will see is apostasy by people that get infected with these indoctrinations and deceptions they are bombarding society with currently.
It was foretold for the end times. That even the "very elect will be decived." and it's already been happening for a while (people leaving the church because they were deceived)
The brethren have spoken up many times over the years. We as members are responsible for our choice to follow or not. God gave us agency and what we see is because of our agency. We have to choose Christ and the brethren or learned men/women in worldly philosophies.
We have to remember that even Christ called Judas as an Apostle. Joseph Smith had 4 Apostles go rogue. A few years ago President Nelson went specifically to BYU to give his 'The Love an Laws of God' talk, which was NOT well received.
In the near future I'm sure "the church" or at least when it becomes "The Kingdom of God" they will denounce a bunch of things, for example getting out of GAVI and all these poisonous vaccines or buying it and changing the ingredients to something given by prophesy to actually heal the nations.
You are a light in all the darkness that has surrounded us and yr right it will get worse! Hold on to that iron rod no matter what confronts us saints who see sense! Don’t listen to those so called learned men teaching their own ideas and ignoring the true teachings of our Saviour.
I really love your channel. Helping me to stay sane and know how to approach things with my kids. Thank you so much.
Very glad to hear that.
This allowance of these things was started years ago, back in the 70s with the new progressive church history. Much like everything else going on we allowed the “nose of the camel into the tent” and then the head etc. until where we are now.
A few years ago before I started listening to you Greg, my institute teacher at church here in New Zealand said that they thought Nephi was just writing 1Nephi and 2Nephi to elevate himself and make his brothers look bad. After learning critical theory and postmodernism from you I've come to realise that he used these frameworks when he analyzed the book of Mormon. He was a teacher in the public education system so I think this is where he got his analytical tools from. Initially I thought, that is an interesting and novel take for the context of the beginning of the book of mormon. Lol. I was soooo wrong!
Years ago, we had a leader who taught that Nephi was a bratty younger brother! I walked out of the class. This man later divorced his wife and married the wife of the Stake President whom she divorced to be with this yahoo! That was in the mid- 80’s. This softening of true hard doctrine is becoming entrenched in church classrooms, and if one tries to kindly correct, there is the danger of angering or offending the teacher and those in the classroom. I am doing a deep dive into Isaiah with the study helps of Abraham Gileadi and see more and more clearly how this needs to be a private study. Perhaps that might be one reason why Isaiah is not generally focused on. There are treasure there, that I am finding.
Thank you Greg for sharing the understanding you have. That leads to good places!
Your statement about Mexicans not being Marxists is 100% true. I too have been down there many times and have served a mission there as well.
A Spanish-speaking branch where I used to live grew into a ward in recent years because of political refugees from Venezuela. I don't expect they'd take very kindly to Marxism either.
They teach for doctrine the commandments of men having a form of Godliness but they deny the power thereof
The mental (and spiritual) gymnastics in this is jaw dropping.
It was always my impression that the dissenting groups within the Nephites were NEVER led by the oppressed. I'm sure some of their ranks were filled by such people, but they were never in charge. Every major single figure had to have had a gathering or following to gain as much ground as they did (Nehor, Korihor, etc...) and the dissenting groups were almost always started by what passed for the 'Nobility' within Nephite society.
In the City of Ammonihah Alma and Amulek contended with the judges, lawyers, and political leaders. The kingmen that Pahoran and Moroni fought were 'Those of high birth whgo sought to be kings' (Alma 51:8). The Zoramites were angry with Alma and the missionaries because they taught the humble poor and it 'destroyed their craft'. In all three of these instances the leadership sought to overthrow the freedom of the people (Alma 8:17) and take charge as the nobility.
The gospel of Christ (and a free society) holds that all men are equal under the law, but there will NEVER cease to be a group of people who believe that they are 'better' than the layman and deserve to be above the law; to get away with things that the normal man cannot get away with. These men constantly seek the destruction of a free society because it would allow THEM 'greater freedom' to do as they please and treat their fellow men as naught before them. Obviously they cannot do this alone because the 'elite few' tend to be, well... 'few'. But they are masters at the craft of convincing a general populace- especially those who feel displaced- to go along with their plans with promises of 'equity' and 'social justice'. Of course, they never intend to keep these promises. They never do.
This is why Alma and Amulek STARTED with the teachings of judgment and condemnation. The wicked noble man believes that he should be allowed to get away with whatever he desires, regardless as to the reactions or consequences it may have towards those of 'lesser birth'. The righteous man understands that in ALL things that he does, he will be held accountable towards his actions by a higher being who cannot be bribed, manipulated, deceived, mislead, or bought. He will thus temper his actions accordingly. There are no small number of people who find this concept abhorrent.
There is so much parallel with what's going on in Western society (and others) today that it's disheartening.
The whole dichotomy of this lecture is false. The Lamanites were never oppressed by the Nephites in any way. In fact , it was the Nephites who were forced to flee the land of Nephi. The Nephites never at any time took anything from the Lamanites, they never ruled over them or oppressed them. The Lamanites were a free people who ruled themselves and possessed the original land of their inheritance. Their hatred of the Nephites was based upon lies promoted by the adversary. This lecture is disturbing, but easily refuted by even the most casual student of the Book of Mormon.
I love your thinking. I think you may have answered my question in another post. Can you look for it on here and tell me your thoughts. You sound like you know what your talking about and I'd really like your opinion.
@@MommaCrissa I'm afraid I cannot find your question. You can reiterate it here if you wish.
Bear in mind though I do not claim to be any kind of bliblical (or BoM) scholar, and only relay things as I can only assume has been revealed to me.
Yes. Interestingly it is often the actual oppressors who have the most power and connections who nevertheless claim to be oppressed by their enemies.
What a fantastic comment. The Book of Mormon tells us exactly the same will happen just before Christ comes.
A good counterpoint to this guys critical theory view of the Book Of Mormon is that the BOM is warning of the dangers of focusing on how you have been wronged. No matter how wrong or injust you have been treated, no matter how justified you feel in your anger; you have to find within yourself to forgive and move on or be damned and bitter.
Indignation is all consuming and can never be quenched.
This is an aspect of the BOM being written for our day that I had not realized how on the nose it really was until I watched this video.
Excellent comment
Unbelievable!! Thank you Greg for sharing your thoughts and clarification with us during these mad times!!
Great video! It’s like Isaiah said, in the last days evil will be called good and good will be called evil.
“People native to Zarahemla were occupied by a foreign people, with a foreign language, and a different religion than them.”
Omni 1:14-15 literally says the people of Zarahemla came from Jerusalem, meaning they and the Nephites were not different groups of people. They also rejoiced when they found the Nephites who had the OT scriptures with them. He’s either uneducated or lying, which Marxists love to do.
Yes. On key events, it also talks about them deciding things by the voice of the people. They called themselves free, and their laws protected different beliefs. It was a free society and at peace except when the dissenters wanted to seize control and take away their liberty.
Isaiah does warn us against grinding upon the face of the poor. That is one type of iniquity. We need to do our best to help others (to help themselves). There are many types of ways we can sin, as Mosiah says.
Yes we need to change and learn and grow -repent.
I like how you warn that we don’t pull away from sin and evil.
Greg thanks for all the hard work that goes into your show, always great content.
I appreciate that!
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How can I post it differently? @@ruckin3
@@patriot8087 I was referring to Greg posting it differently either on here w Venmo or cash app or if YT/google doesn't allow that, maybe on rumble etc so he gets 100% of donations sent
The Book of Mormon is already the most equitable book and doesn’t need any changes. “he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female.” God accepts all people who believe and accept him.
I love these people who have the chutzpah to declare that Heavenly Father and Jesus constantly get things wrong.
They have a great following! not LOL
You must be the professor I took Sarcasm 101 from cause you nailed it.
Thank you for your gift of discernment and your ability to share it with us. Love you for it. Hard times ahead. How does the Y vet its lecture series? How does this get past the university president?
Just like with all of the adversary's counterfeits, he has taken a noble, majestic word like "patriarchy" and turned it into a negative, pejorative term. There will come a day when they repent and turn to the Lord's patriarchs for help.
How is patriarchy a noble word or idea? Patriarchy has been the justification for the Church fighting against the civil rights movement in the 1960s, it's been the justification for many forms of discrimination. All you have to do is study history a bit and you will see how brutal it has been.
There is a difference between man’s version of patriarchy and the Lord’s version. Mankind will corrupt anything. The Lord’s way was was always to have patriarchy used in priesthood righteousness, with patience and love unfeigned and ruling and reigning side by side with the wife. I will follow a righteous leader any day, and especially the prophets that God has blessed us with in these last days before the return of our Savior.
@@tsmithson1 The church fought against civil rights? Really! Wow. Please provide references.
@@danascully7358 Not civil rights, but equal rights for men & women. The church campaigned against the ERA in a similar manner to which they campaigned against Prop 8. A few women who were out spoken regarding equal rights were excommunicated.
If men use their abilities to their fullest with love and masculinity it is a great force for good. Women having a different role is not discrimination if you are focused on merit. Account all the good male leaders or work has done instead of cherry picking the worst of all males in history making men and women tribes using contention with human tribal nature.
Probably your best video ever!
Loved the Book of Mormon insights! More please! ❤
As a whole, I am generally with you on being against indoctrination towards DEI and CRT. I already said this on Jacob Hansen's video where he interviewed two students who attended this presentation, but I'd like to say it here as well: the best thing to do here is for each person to learn by the Spirit to discern between truth and error. I wholeheartedly reject any attempt to use government to force equity in the way things are currently trending politically, but I also wholeheartedly disagree with those who try to say the whole emphasis should be on preaching Christ to the exclusion of helping the poor and needy. Yes, Love God is the 1st Commandment and Love thy Neighbor comes 2nd, but it's still a commandment to be followed, otherwise we become no better than the Pharisees who focused solely on their own exact obedience to the neglect of the people around them, causing Christ to say "These things ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." I'm not trying to say you of yourself don't care about the needs of the poor, just that sometimes you come off so strongly against the political agenda I fear people may start to think that way. As you said, disparity cannot exist without charity, that to me is the most important part of the message here (coming, of course, second to the recognition of Christ as our savior from sin). If anyone feels otherwise I'd be happy to engage in a conversation, but I would suggest first reading Jacob 2:12-21, Mosiah 4:16-23, and Moses 7:18.
As a side, I do want to clarify a point, since you mentioned his name here. I work with Fernando Gomez personally (the man who this yearly presentation is in honor of), and I was invited to attend with him as well as to sit at lunch with Professor Pagan and a handful of others. I can tell you that Mr. Gomez was not particularly enthused by the message BYU chose to have shared. His whole focus has been on making the modern history of the Church in other countries more widely accessible, particularly Mexico as that is where he is from. It has nothing to do with any political agenda or an attempt to twist scripture to benefit one particular group of people over another. He simply wants people to know that Church History didn't end once the saints moved to Utah and there are interesting, spiritual events and faith-promoting stories that can be learned about throughout the world. So if you disagree with the message Professor Pagan shared and are upset with BYU for allowing it, know that Mr. Gomez was not involved in the decisions made, and myself knowing his political stance feel quite safe in saying he would have asked for a different topic given the chance.
Watched for a second time. Brilliant explanation of what is happening at BYU, as well as well as a wonderful explanation(testimony) of the truths of the book of Mormon. this needs to be taught at BYU.
I can't wait to get my new Book of Woke Mormon. When will the Equity Doctrine and Inclusive Covenants be published? Coming soon to a Chairman Mao Bookstore near you.
I always found it interesting that the Mulekites (descendants of Judah and rulers in Canaan) concede power to King Mosiah (a Nephite/descendant of Joseph) after they're taught about the covenants of Israel from the brass plates, which are a record of Joseph. I was pondering this last night, coincidentally, and realized the connection this peculiarity has to do with birthright. The Mulekites who understood the scriptures and covenants knew which of the tribes received the birthright in the new world. With this understanding, I can accept that the dissenters were descendants of Mulekites who rejected the scriptural backing of the Nephite birthright to rule. This explains why they'd always run to the descendants of the older brother and convince them that they were "cheated" of the birthright. As a reinforcement of this idea, Mulek means "little king" in Hebrew - which likely only added fuel to the fire.
What this really boils down to - as preached by Hegel and his more radical disciple, Karl Marx - is a struggle for power -as the world understands it. Whether it's women and the priesthood, polygamy denial, or this new (not really) idea of white-Nephite oppressors - the song is the same - lust for worldly power. This was one of the three temptations Christ HAD to reject before he could ascend and begin his ministry. We also need to understand that power in the Kingdom of God is service - not as the world gives. Iniquity is the sin of elitism - so yeah, it is rooted in the word inequity - seeing oneself as above another, as the world giveth. After all, when objective truth and morality are abandoned, power dynamics are all that remain.
This reminds me of the arguments being made for Jerusalem and Palestine. The left has made it a power thing, excusing the atrocities of Hamas. You can tell who will be a descenter from western philosophy and Christianity by who they support in this battle
There are more complex issues. These are not the 2 sides. The real sides are team humanity versus anti-human agenda at play.
It seems many who listen to this channel may experience feelings of frustration, dismay, betrayal and powerlessness whenever BYU, Deseret Book or CES goes rogue. What would happen if every one listening to this channel inundated, BYU, Deseret Book, or CES with not only phone calls but also letters expressing our concerns and calls for accountability and change?
You’re exactly right. But it is not in the nature of conservative people to advocate for change. It IS in the nature of Leftists to do so, however, which is why the Right and correct side will continue to lose ground and influence in the world while the Left gains in strides.
It’s hard to watch. But that’s all I do… watch. :-/
I am a little disappointed that most of our leaders appear to be either unaware that this sort of stuff is going on in a church sponsored institution or are afraid to say anything outside of the God loves us so much mantra.
They either really are out of touch, or they agree with this. I can’t think of any way that one of these isn’t the case.
@ClintThomsen neither is the case. The tares are being allowed to grow with the wheat. We've been counseled to access personal revelation. I wish they'd speak out and fix this as well. But there is a purpose and timing to it all.
@@meganbroughton1988 I grow tired of the wheat/tares reaction to stuff like this. Yes, the wheat will grow with the tares, but what obligation do we have to water and fertilize the tares? To plant them? I don’t think this theory suffices.
@@ClintThomsen I think it's a better reaction than that the brethren are out of touch or that they agree with heresy. And I truly believe that it is the truth. The tares are strong and this is a sifting. If we are commanded specifically in all things then how do we grow? How do we learn to listen to the holy spirit and use our agency? Again, I don't like it at all. But I believe it's truth.
@@meganbroughton1988 I don’t understand why we are paying the tares to counter the gospel. This is where your analogy falls apart for me. BYU is a wholly owned subsidiary of the church. What the brethren say, goes. They could stop this today.
Correct me if I am wrong, Greg, but to me, critical theory main objective is to completely erase personal responsibility and personal accountability from the equation and put the blame on someone or something else. My study of the Book of mormon has taught me that one of its main messages is that of personal responsibility. Ex: " but this much I can tell you, that if ye do not watch yourselves, and your thoughts, and your words, and your deeds, and observe the commandments of god, and continue in the faith until the end of your lives...ye must perish. And now, O man, remember, and perish not." Mosiah 4:30
Personal responsibility is taught throughout the book of mormon. We are personally responsible for our actions and will be held accountable. Critical theory despises personal responsibility and accountability. The Book of mormon teaches over and over we will be ACCOUNTABLE!!!
Those two concepts are being attacked in the world and now within the church. Instead of looking inward, they teach us to look outward and point the blame.
I can only imagine how actual intellectual heavyweights like Hugh Nibley or Truman Madsen would respond to this nonsense if they were still alive.
Is there a way that you could interview this professor? It would be interesting to see the contrast.
Wow, spot on and well put. Amazing Greg, thank you.... 🙏✨
Glad you enjoyed it
It's important to also point out that much of this is based on poor or outright false research. What Pagan claims is demonstrably untrue. He claims "iniquity" appears about 111 times (by his count), "far more than" abomination or wickedness. In fact, wickedness appears more frequently at a count of 160.
Here are the actual statistics:
iniquity: 135
abomination: 11
wickedness: 160
Now of course, there are other forms, such as "iniquities." Fair enough; let's expand to all forms:
iniquity: 135
iniquities: 91
iniquitous: 1
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227
wicked: 103
wickedly: 7
wickedness: 160
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270
sin: 65
sins: 162
sinful: 3
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230
abomination: 11
abominations: 76
abominable: 28
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115
other similar (adultery, lasciviousness, etc.): 55
Combining abomination with it similar words, we have the following ranking, in order of decreasing frequency:
Wickedness: 270
Sin: 230
Iniquity: 227
Abomination + similar: 170
Thanks.
Great catch!
Good work! This is how you call out people like this.
I've felt for a long time, as you articulated here, that when the Lord comes a second time like a thief in the night he will not be recognized by many for the same reasons that the Jews didn't recognize him the first time around--they could only see the world through political/physical eyes and not spiritual eyes. The same political and spiritual warfare that prefaced the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BC and its second destruction 70 AD is permeating throughout our society now. Namely, the rejection of that our nature is sinful an that what we need is a spiritual messiah--Jesus Christ.
Here is where this professor is very craftily deceiving in his explanation of iniquity. If you believe that Joseph Smith TRANSLATED the Book of Mormon, then a scholastic, unbias way of looking at the word iniquity would be to look at the 1828 Webster's dictionary explanation of iniquity. Joseph would have used his knowledge base, to describe what his impression were in the translation process. The professor's use of the Latin word meaning, inequality, is totally erroneous. The 1828 Webster dictionary meaning of iniquity has noting to do with equality or inequality. This is very subtle as to the craftiness of the devil.
Those who are less conversant with the effectiveness of these professors and others who 'analyze' or 'interpret' using their scholarly teachings can be approached with words explaining that these people are promoting a refocusing of the BoM from a testament of Christ to one of cultural differences. Focusing on differences ignores the love of God and Christ for each person regardless of their choices. Also in those conversations champion the fact that the BoM is not a record of their secular problems and cannot be framed as such.
I totally see it, and it saddens me. That's one of the reasons I got rid of Sirius XM. Almost all the guests they had on had leftist ideology It made me sick. Thank you for pointing this out and letting the world see the truth.
This was crazy. I thought I was going nuts hearing that dude imply the Gadianton Robbers were the good guys. Wow!! And Nephi is the bad guy? Yeah, if I ever hear that in sacrament meeting I'll literally get up and leave.
That's like blocking someone on Social media. Another way to approach it is to have charity and invite the guy over for dinner, get to know him, then have a civil discussion with the Spirit to help him see the correct way of thinking.
Galatians 5, long suffering is a part of the gospel plan.
@@MommaCrissa I definitely agree that my responsibility is to have charity, but you are correct, I would block that false doctrine from mine and my family's life. I served a mission. I've had gospel based discussions when opposing views are presented. The discussions even if they are civil are rarely spirit inviting. Nah, I'm good.
It’s a lot harder and there is no guarantee you can change his mind. Good luck.
@@MommaCrissaI totally disagree. Never give quarter to wolves in sheep's clothing. They need to be exposed, period. If you play with a serpent, you will be bitten.
@MommaCrissa Talking to them personally is also important, but if nobody stands up and walks out and nobody says anything there publicly, wouldn't others be deceived and think it must be true? Not doing something then and there = allows the false ideas to continue to spread. Granted it's the bishop's duty to stop false doctrine but from my experience most don't correct false doctrine that seeps into talks
Not sure if this has been said by someone else already, but in my opinion, this can be accurately described as “philosophies of men, mingled with scripture.” There are philosophies of men that are true and can be reconciled with the Savior’s gospel - Aristotle’s explanation of telos, or principles of virtue taught in the Nicomachean Ethics, for example. Scripture and good/true philosophy can support each other. Here, however, is an example of using scripture (perverting scripture) to justify bad/false philosophies of men. And these types of philosophies and teachings are exactly the type of “flattering words” that some of the Book Mormon bad guys used to lead people astray. Remember, it is all flattering words and philosophies of men mingled with scripture. Don’t buy into it, please.
Thanks Greg! This reminds me of 3Nephi 6 of how the church is being broken up within itself because of various ideologies and people turning away from Christ.
Then comes 3Nephi 7:2-7
2 And the people were divided one against another; and they did separate one from another into tribes, every man according to his family and his kindred and friends; and thus they did destroy the government of the land.
3 And every tribe did appoint a chief or a leader over them; and thus they became tribes and leaders of tribes.
4 Now behold, there was no man among them save he had much family and many kindreds and friends; therefore their tribes became exceedingly great.
5 and all this iniquity had come upon the people because they did yield themselves unto the power of Satan.
6 And the regulations of the government were destroyed, because of the secret combination of the friends and kindreds of those who murdered the prophets.
7 And they did cause a great contention in the land, insomuch that the more righteous part of the people had nearly all become wicked; yea, there were but few righteous men among them.
The power of Satan is deception.
Yikes. This professors POV has pride written all over it to pervert the doctrine of Christ. I agree. Stay aware everyone and continue to repent and change and stay aggressively humble.
I just read this chapter of 3 Nephi the other day! I had the similar thought that turning from Christ is disastrous!
Changing iniquity to inequity makes Laman and Lemuel correct in their belief that They were Wronged.
I do appreciate you bringing these type of things to light.
Changing iniquity to inequity is removing a plain and precious truth from the Book of Mormon.
Would love to see this lecturer come on and go head to head with you on these topics!
So does President Rees support this ? Does he have to approve these speakers ? Does he know about this ?
I’m not exactly sure what action I can take with this knowledge. Am I just doomed to accept that this is the direction the world is going and there is nothing I can do about it?
Learn, become aware, speak up.
Focus on what you can control, which isn’t the actions of others. Speak the truth in love, and ensure your family is prepared to defend themselves if needed.
Bid farewell to a once great nation.
I have the Wetherburn are listening to this. They really need to hear some of what happens in some of these lectures.
We’ve known for a long time that parents send their kids to byu to learn biology, end up with atheist adult children. I’m really puzzled as to why the brother and are putting up with it, and more puzzled again by the fact that people are happy to have their tithe dollars used for this.
I watched one of the BYU speeches during the pandemic, and there was a protestant minister that was making the rounds, and had scored an audience at BYU. The place was packed, and he basically preached communism.
You can imagine how astonished I was when he got a standing ovation from the audience at the end.
And now this.
How is it that tithe dollars are being used to fund anti-Christianity?
Another great episode!
Thank you!
Man thanks Greg--grateful for your spirit, your sharing in studies you've made--the the truth of the living Gospel of Jesus Christ that I surely feel you love.
Why does the church allow this? Is no one paying attention at what is going on at byu?
"Sometimes from behind the pulpit, in our classrooms, in our council meetings, and in our church publications we hear, read, or witness things that do not square with the truth. This is especially true where freedom is involved. Now do not let this serve as an excuse for your own wrongdoing. The Lord is letting the wheat and the tares mature before he fully purges the Church. He is also testing you to see if you will be misled."-Ezra Taft Benson, "Our Immediate Responsibility" (1966 BYU speech)
I don't think it's necessarily a matter of the Brethren "allowing" things or being unaware of the goings on at BYU. When cancerous tumors grow near vital parts of the body, one does not simply cut open the flesh and hack away at the tumor. I give that as one analogy, but the point is that it's a delicate issue, and I don't think there is a simple and inconsequential solution.
@@byrokinsman2576 You are spot on.
Thank you for shining the spotlight on how academia is destroying the faith. It's absolutely obvious but sadly, I see some extended family members who have their pride in their academic achievements more than humbling themselves to the doctrine of Christ. It's sad that "members" are being so easily deceived.
Are the brotheren aware of what’s going on, and is this going to be introduced in my children’s seminary classes? How would you recommend we broach this subject with our children?
My oldest has encountered it little by little in seminary. It's little things, like mentioning the Family Proclamation and then giving the students the bulk of the time to speak out against (and how it's mean/hurtful/wrong) because of abortion and gender and so on. It didn't happen all the time, but it was definitely an issue. We're debating sending our other children in person. 😏
I have news for you. The CES is worse .
@@rolandsmith4394 what is CES?
@@emjames9865Where did your child attend seminary? If you don’t mind my asking…
Thank you for opening our eyes!
I am dumbfounded by situations like this... Not sure what BYU's end game is with nonsense like this. The only thing I can come close to understanding is if it is to help with the "sifting".
@@HoosierDaddyActualso the Lord’s hands are tied? Seems logical.
Thank you for your courage to inform us so we can also swim against the tide. God promised us that a church leader would be removed if they tried to lead us away from our church. I am grateful that we can listen to the Apostles and have the knowledge that it's right.