I have 2020 with 7.3 and mine did same thing and no parts available so I put on wires from 6.2 they fit just a longer wire but it gets a guy on the road
The issue I have with Ford and other makes is that you have too complain on social media or make it public like TFL to get a response, otherwise they don't care.
Ultra Ryan2004 please obviously you’re young and don’t know any better it’s not only afford will leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere I have a Dodge Durango with 298,000 miles on it and it’s never left me stranded anywhere I’ve never even got a check engine light with any seriousness to it and it never miss fires As it has dual plugs with the original coils no Ford has an original coil beyond 80,000 miles
Thats like EVERY SINGLE American corporation now. You'll get better service from Chyna simply because its SO competitive over there. Here, American corporations feel like they are ENTITLED to our business.
You know what Andre? You do a fabulous job communicating with your viewers. Being politically correct and working extra hard at making sure everyone understands you. You also exhibit excellent listening skills. Most Americans do not make that much effort. You have my respect. As for this videos content, this continues to prove that TFL are an honest group. Thanks for the content. :)
Did people forget how to make spark plug wires. you really gonna sit around waiting 30 days for something that would cost you 50 dollars including tools from harbor freight to do yourself plus it would be an upgrade. Get some uncut universal MSD wires with boots from just about any parts store and make them yourself. If the Canbus system is too sensitive it could throw a code if aftermarket wires have the incorrect OHM value. but it would be easy enough to match, after you read the ohm value across a good stock wire , match that with an equivalent aftermarket wire which usually gives you OHMs per foot in the information on the box. All this being said Ford should own up to the problem and post the recall.
I was thinking the same, it's just a spark plug wire. Seems ridiculous they can't get Ed on the road with a set of wires from something else, or a custom set.
bobwatters If your statement is true, then why does Toyota outlast GM/Ford/Chrysler by at least 3 to 1? I was born American, love America but American vehicles are shit.
I had a Jeep 3.7, I damaged a plug wire changing plugs. I couldn't find anybody that had it in stock so I had the same thought. Turned out the universal plug boots wouldn't work. I'm thinking Ford may have done the same thing.
authority5150 Toyota doesn’t even make heavy duty vehicles. They’re only comfortable with light duty and crossovers. Toyota vehicles get far easier lives compared to the American work horses
@@adamgreen911 Bmw bikes's quality and reliability has plumetted in the last 20 years. The GS range has driveshafts that disintegrate after a few thousand miles, electronics which fry in heavy downpours etc. I have a '98 R850r one of the last solidly built BMW motorcycles.
My 2020 7.3 lost two plug wires while pulling in extreme heat. Couldn't get a full set so I tried the 6.2's but they would literally melt off after a short time. Let me frame this by saying that truck and load were over 20000 lbs and I was pulling in 38 C or 100.4 F heat. The fix there was adding Design Engineering Inc "protect-a-boot" sleeves to the 6.2 wires. This worked perfectly and protected the 6.2 wires all they way home. So after finally getting the updated plug wires from Ford I had the sleeves added to them as well (couldn't hurt right?). Our local dealership will be adding these sleeves at the PDI level for all their 7.3's going out the door. This was tested to the extreme and they are a game changer. I would think that any sleeve would work but the DEI's worked for me. If you have the 7.3 with the original wires just add the sleeves. Thinking Ford should do a recall. In spite of the aforementioned let me say that this is a great engine and I am very happy with the power!!
yup! They always be having some crazy responses like that! “Oh the 5.4’s are good motors once you fix $10,000 worth of stuff” and the “6.0 diesels are good once you bulletproof them” $10-$15,000 later. How about you just buy a truck that’s good out of the box?
@@jaredchampagne2752 please don’t leave out the old 6.8 V10 my dad back in the day was always having coil issues. Lol, was actually a nice 2000 F-350 4X4 crew cab when the coils weren’t going bad. Nice to see Ford fix that old issue with the new 7.3
Well they stopped all production and started making ventilators for the COVID pandemic so that is likely the root cause of why they have problems getting parts made. Parts on the production line cannot be rerouted to the general public, unfortunately.
@@adamgreen911 its a poor design mr pro... look where the spark plug is and think about why a coil pack cant be there where it belongs and where they are on well designed engines
They are “coil wires” and it isn’t uncommon actually. It allows them to place the individual coils up and away from the massive heat created by the exhaust manifold, thus increasing the life of the coils
Please explain to me how any vehicle manufacturer can know when a bad batch of parts were sent to them to be used on a production vehicle. Your comment is just dumb.
So a few things: A flashing check engine light means that the engine has detected a hard misfire. When this happens, the ECU will shut down both the ignition AND the fuel injector to that cylinder. With no combustion, the piston and combustion chamber wont over heat. Since there is no fuel being sprayed, there should be no potential for cylinder wash. The cylinder is oiled from splash and spray below in the crank case. While you dont want to do anything major, driving home down a cylinder wont hurt anything. Sounds like just one of those things new models go through when launched. Probably either is incorrectly routed at the factory, or stretched and chaffed until it wore through. Should be easily address through a TSB after some factory research. These things happen to every manufacturer when launching new engines, transmissions or models. Just ask Lexus how their 2007-2010 2.5L IS250 engine did... lmao.
Any idea what year Ford changed this fuel strategy. Newest ford I worked on was a 2015 3.7l Explorer. It had a hard misfire due to bad coil, the ECU continued to spray fuel into the engine/cat converter.
Ford has had problems with coils, wires and plugs since 1997 and they still haven't figured it out or fixed the miss fire on all their engines.. Go ahead google it. Every ford in my family has coil pack problems. JUNK!
@@larryw5429 and cylinder heads with 3 or 4 threads for sparkplugs. That wire design is LS gm. My work van with 4.8 went over 100k original wires and plugs was still running well when did tune up. 70 k miles later misfire bad wire. Aftermarket parts
"No pavement needed"... but you will need a "Parts Store" that has the "Part." You would think Ford would know by now which part supplier can reliably produce spark plug wires. There is no excuse for this.
Yeah, I've been there where it took two dealerships, six days to NOT fix my front left strut...but I could do it in my driveway in three hours. Dammit Ford!
Thank you for being upfront and honest, and not covering up because they are yr sponsors or some BS. I was looking really hard at this truck to get away from the un-dependability of modern diesel trucks. Wont be paying 60 plus K for same kinda crap.
186K on my 2007 5.7 Tundra, which is the first year of this engine, and not one problem. A spark plug wire is a part that has been around as long as the internal combustion engine itself. Can't really blame this on a new engine.
Shawn Moody cam tower doesn’t affect all of them. My buddy had an ‘08 and never had the issue. Another friend has a ‘10 Tundra and a ‘11 sequoia and has never had the issue. My old ‘13 had it around 30k. But my new crewmax has 135k miles now and never had the issue. Sucks for the techs because it’s such a big job for like $7 worth of RTV. It doesn’t render the truck undriveable like those plug wires though.
2020 ford. Still need to carry spare parts in the glove box. Some things never change. Whew. 10,000 trouble free miles. Thats great. For 1930. Too bad their engines aren't as baddass as the names they give them.
J Medrano This thread just disproves your theory... It went from 100 degrees to snow, so how does that have anything to do with global warming? If anything, it’s global cooling. Use your brain, small as it may be.
@J Medrano Everyone knows that the earth goes through temperature changes but Al Gore tries to convince everyone that it is totally man made, which is not true. Man might contribute just a smidgen of the temperature changes but it is part of our planet going through temperature changes like it has done for million of years.
I’m a Retired Automotive Technician spent my whole life in this field. There is a lot more to thing’s like this than most people would understand. Just like there jobs would be hard for me to understand. It don’t matter if it cost $5k or $100K. If it is mechanical it can break down.
I really hope that Ford is getting on top of this. This engines were designed to be lower tech so that they could run for long periods in areas with very low temperatures. A misfire caused by a simple HT lead would completely disable this facility for fear of engine damage.
@@TexasScout We replaced all the motorcraft crap on our old 5.4 with Accel parts and never had an issue again. Shocking to me that Ford still can't get it right. No problems with our new 3.5EB... yet.
smith jones my 14 ecoboost 3.5 went through plugs like crazy. Every 30k miles I had to replace plugs and every 10k miles I had to gap them back down to 0.026
Leland Holton That’s a pretty tight gap for a modern engine, I guess they keep it like that because of the pressure of the turbos. It won’t blow out the spark.
Wouldn't be surprised if a quick "emergency fix" was to rip off the metal heat shield from the plug end boot if you are stuck waiting on a new one. It must be super sensitive to dirt, or there are contaminates in the silicone boot and the metal cover is simply aiding carbon tracking to that shield and grounding on the head. Plug wires seem simple, but simple things (mainly contamination) can cause misfires. Once high voltage breaks down a new path to ground it keeps using it.
My guess is that the wire isn’t retained well enough and it becomes slightly dislodged and with the high voltage they can generate with today’s electronics keeps working for a while but eventually it burns through and shorts to ground like you said. Fix will probably be new coils and slightly longer wires. Coil outlets will be 90 degrees to the current wire direction for better retention. Or they will have 1/4 turn locking mechanism at the connection 🤷♂️maybe? Like I said I’m guessing but ai guess pretty well a lot of the time. lol
Mario: It's kind of a big let down with the new vehicles. I've got a 2016 ram with the 6.4 hemi and it needs an engine already due to a cam lifter failure and it packed all the bearings full of metal. Only 65,000km on the truck with oil changes every 5000km instead of the 10,000-12,000km interval. Just poor quality control.
Mario González that’s every large MFG anymore every mechanic or junk yard owner I’ve talked to all came down to the single point that these newer vehicles are all throw away garbage. Nobody builds with quality anymore, those days are gone. Now its “how cheaply can we build it for maximum profits”. If you want a truck that’s going to last, buy something with a carburetor on it. No special tool required, no computers to fail, no BS. I can say from experience it’s cheaper in the long run to do a frame off restoration of an old truck and have something that you own over buy something new and end up with a money pit before it’s paid off or shortly after it’s paid off.
swap the wire between cylinders and see if the miss migrates. That's how we would have done it in the old days. The coil end looks standard, and the plug end would be a standard plug,.. should be able to make one if you really need to until the actual part arrives. We used to make HT leads all the time from the kits. It's not rocket science.
Yesterday I ordered a new F-350 with the 7.3...it won't be built and delivered until December. While I was at the dealership, I opened the hood of one they had on the lot...a basic F-250 with this engine. It's surprisingly small for such big displacement, but that's good because there is a lot of space in the engine bay to do work and the exhaust manifolds, spark plugs and wires are easy to access. As I looked at this engine, it reminded me of when I was younger and we worked on them ourselves. Back then, if the engine started running weird, you'd pop the hood and take a look, and feel around. Sometimes the problem was obvious...a disconnected vacuum hose, and electrical connection come loose, etc...even with these newer vehicles, pop the hood and look around. Feel around, too. Anyway, I noticed the fancy chrome ends of the spark plug wires and reached down to see how well they were attached...and with just two fingers the one I lightly pulled on came right off. And I mean RIGHT OFF like it was barely on there. Of course I plugged it back in but was shocked at how easily it came off...usually you have to give them a good pull and wiggle them around a bit. So I come home to find this video...what a coincidence, huh? I'm glad to know that by the time I get my truck this will be resolved...but if you own one of these things, go out and check it for yourself. If the engine light comes on, pop the hood and make sure one of them hasn't worked loose. Now I don't know if that is the end all problem with these wires or if there is some kind of defect within the harness itself, but the attachment point at the boot is certainly concerning. You guys should buy a full set of upgraded wires as soon as they're available...warranty or not. It very well may be that all this guy had to do was push that #2 back in tight and problem solved. Pop the hood...feel around, boys and girls. It's the fist thing I would have done.
rochab77 of course issues come up in development, and those are largely corrected, but that doesn’t mean issues don’t remain. Nothing is ever perfect, especially in the first year or two of a development cycle.
@@ALMX5DP I think it boils down to a bad batch of parts myself, because something this common already wpuld have definitely shown up during testing of the engine.
Wow. My new king ranch is doing the same thing. I took it to the dealer with 600 miles on it and they replaced the plug. It started doing it again at 950 miles. I'm taking it back tomorrow.
@@jayg9732 lol at least they run. Your ford trans would let go to if you were towing more then a lawnmower. That's typically what fords around here tow, meanwhile Rams are seen pulling 5 car trailers, heavy equipment and live stock. And have over 300k miles on them
I have heard that it’s a known issue. Very often the problem is just moisture at the bottom of the spark plug well (sounds quite likely with the zero mileage trucks that were mentioned in the video, could just be from condensation on a cold engine block). The fix can be as simple as removing the ignition coil and blow drying it and the spark plug and well, then plugging everything back up. Worth a try before trying to track down a $24 coil. At least, that’s what I’ve heard. 😊
Knowing Ford, I'm very surprised that this was replaced under warranty. Your tune probably advanced ignition timing and Ford usually doesn't hesitate to cancel someone's warranty for such things.
The odds are pretty good that the replacement parts, (wires) are going to fail at some point also. The root cause of the failure needs to be investigated.
I completely understand what you're saying, but they have to make ALL their videos over a certain length or it will miss up TH-cam's algorithm and cause them issues.
Gee guys last time I checked you can buy a spark plug wire at any auto parts store as a temporary fix. Then get the dealer to fix it when the parts come in. Do people not know anything about engines anymore? I know its warranty but good grief Charlie Brown!
I tend to agree. There would be several options to keep the truck working including yours and using a donor truck, new or used, to cannibalise leads temporarily until new stock came through.
I love Ford, I learned driving in a 83 Ford Del Rey and the second car I drove was also a Ford. I have an emotional connection with the brand BUT due to its bad reputation with dealership service here in Brazil (and as I can see, it also happens in Australia and others markets too) and SO MANY "small" problems that come and go with no solution, I won't ever have a Ford again myself. The 3.2 Diesel Ranger sold here has got SO MANY problems with licking oil, water and overheating... it's a pitty. Ford makes beautiful vehicles, they drive and feel great, but these "minor" issues combined with a lazy dealership network makes it all a pain in the ass.
I'm on my 2nd one. Started having problems with the first one at 2,100 miles and lemon lawed it at 3,200 miles. I'm pretty sure they missed that truck when they had the recall on those motors. Current one is at 2,500 and no issues yet. The dealer jerked me around a little bit, but once I contacted corporate directly, I was able to get my replacement truck a few weeks later.
We picked up our new 2022 F250 with the 7.3 and with in a half hour the truck would not start. After several attempts the truck started and I drove it back to the dealer. On the way I stopped at a stop light and the truck remained in 10th gear. I tapped the pedal and the truck clunked and shifted into 1st. You could here the engine misfiring. The dealer is telling me that the crank sensor is the problem. They said I can pickup later today. We will see......
True, and I agree. But if I need emergency repairs to keep me rolling until I get OEM its nice. I work on my own vehicles and its reasonable option in the boonies. I need my truck for work so every day counts.
Steven lindsey Idk how that happened unless it’s an old expedition or with a lot of miles, there’s actually federal laws that exist when a Converter fails before the warranty.
St. Beter its a 2017 with 70k miles. Still have warranty for 30k but all extended warranty companies do not cover that. I even called the company that I have for my 2019 f350. They say catalytic converters are considered a part designed to be replaced. I dont agree but what else can you do.
No kidding. For all the stalling to hold you in suspense for 10 minutes, it could have been packed with some really helpful info such as showing resistance and perhaps some quality aftermarket alternatives. Ford gives you crap and you should pay an additional $24 dollars stocking up on more defective parts?
When I worked on my own engines years ago if I remember wright. Who knows on the new engines now. Number one cylinder was always the one that stuck out towards the front the farthest.
At least they're taking their time to get it right instead of rushing it. I'm sure they will take note of the ecoboost issues and work to prevent their twin turbo v6 from having those same issues. I'd still take the 5.7 over a turbo v6 though if im gping tk be working it. Im hoping they offer a diesel, something bigger than a 3.0 but smaller than the cummins 5.0. If they do ill trade my titan xd in for one.
CDP Well this Toyota troll owned five GM (3 new) and one new Ford (with a problem they never could resolve), those trucks can’t compare to Tundra and Tacoma resale and reliability. Yes Toyota doesn’t do HD, but for a truck called a Super Duty no way should it have failed either. When I spend $60K a $24 dollar part ought to be FedEx’d overnight, no excuses.
1 second ago my neighbors 2020 silverado, with 2K miles had the same issue, dealer swapped #4 cylinder spark plug cable, but he kept the truck for 5 days, would NOT give him a free rent car because he , did not pay extra $2800 for the extended warranty..Chevy ..........
To help TFL from here on out, if you need to know which bank is bank one ( in v6, v8, v10, v12 etc applications) for your cylinder firing order, it's always the cylinder head closest to the front of the vehicle. In transverse mounting its the cylinder closest to the belts. Hope i helped educate some people.
Quick troubleshoot. Switch wires from a good firing cylinder to the problem firing cylinder. If problem switches, wire is bad. If problem persists on same bad firing cylinder, not the wire.
My 2017 raptor blew up at 20,000 miles, cam phasers shit the bed, timing chain stretch, was making a horrible ticking noise, I was put on a wait list for months also, Ford is by far the worst manufacturer.
That wouldn't stop me from getting that 7.3. Ford always made good big blocks. As a gm guy im jealous ford has a big block...hope gm brings back the 8.1l
@@jacobyo99 🤣🤣🤣🤣 i know at least not in its previous form the world is still suffering from 8.1mpg that pig got, you would have to attatch that engine to a 35 speed transmission just to get 13mpg. Jhc i loved that truck but man did i hate filling that bitch.
My next door neighbor works at Ford here in Louisville they also have a transmission problem with a sensor crystallizeing up on the F-250's Thru F-650's they caught it told the line supervisor & was told just run them through!!! He explained that it would be cheaper to wait until enough people complained then Ford could issue a recall it's cheaper than stopping the line to fix the problem at the beginning.. It's sad now most trucks cost as much as a small house we spend our HARD EARNED MONEY only to buy a known about defective product.. that being said I've always bought an drove a Ford... from my 92 GT convertible to my 95 Lightning + 2007 Ranger 4×4
Welcome to the world. New product new troubles. We truckers been fighting these issues since 07. Still tough to find shop to get in. Then find parts. Best of luck safe travels
More of a parts supplier issue. I'm sure Ford put plenty of R&D into this engine, but the parts for those test engines are made in small quantities. Then once they say the engine is okay to go into mass production, they'll put in their orders from these suppliers. So it's the supplier of those wires that is having the quality control issue once they started mass producing them.
@bobwatters I bought a first year Mazda 3 with the skyactiv drivetrain and have had literally zero issues or failures in 204,000 miles. I know someone who works for a mazda dealer and they said these motors/ transmissions are basically bulletproof. This is on a completely new motor and completely new transmission using, at the time, lots of brand new technology and methods. So it can be done, some manufacturers just cheap out.
@@FusionBoost2.0 true, I was just trying to show that vehicles can be released in good order, but that some manufacturers tend to have this kind of track record from what I have seen. None of them are perfect and they can't control a supplier though, I get that 👍
At work we replaced about 30 F250s with Silverado 1500s and one hot day about 15 trucks died followed by the rest. The new trucks had bad fuel pumps so guys had to use old trucks till the parts were available. I bought one of the 2012 f250s for $800....and a 2012 3500hd for $1200. No complaints on my work horse trucks.
Another reason why I buy ram and not a ford. I know ford sells a lot of trucks but they always have issues. Ford try’s to hard to release new products before other manufacturers but the results show they never fully tested them.
@@benjaminwayneb I supposed that's true. But it certain cases you can have a misfire caused y leaking injector and you would still cause damage to the catalyst. It would just be not true for this particular situation
That is why the check engine light flashes, that indicates a possible cat damaging event that requires immediate attention from a dealer that’s booked out two weeks in advance LOL
@JAG Don't be so hard on your self, I was good with my 2 Chryslers and my friend was unlucky with his Tundra, things are not exactly black or white only and TH-cam comments don't make the reliability
Seeing this video makes me wish I had my 1987 F150 red single cab 4x4 with a manual transmission. It was everything I ever needed in a truck and never let me down.
First: there are 'secret' recalls...items to correct that do not fall under the normal recall criteria. You have to make a complaint that matches the secret recall, otherwise you'll never know it exist, it will only come up on the service departments inhouse database. Second: with this info in mind...if I owned the same vehicle -- same engine -- and encountered the same problem/code, I would definitely swap out adjacent wires to see if that isolated the failed component. Lastly: I do carry a scan tool in my truck. They are relatively cheap and knowing the specific code is "all important" these days.
Looking at that engine bay, I can probably surmise what happened. Look at the end of that cable and how the opening points up. So that means any dust, dirt and water that sits on top of that will fall down that opening. If it was reversed, the rubber opening was facing down (It would be attached to the coil pack) and the cable slide up into it, then it wouldn't have that issue. Even if something splashed up, it wouldn't be enough to get past the rubber connector (since it would be tight around the insert). Gravity assisting dust, dirt and water would be eliminated. Also, all those particles are being assisted by the expanding and contracting of the engine components. If anything gets into those connectors, it can fry that cable on the extreme, and cause overall downtime while it is being cleaned. It just seems like a bad design all around. They might as well just have made a big bowl on the top of the intake that drains all the water into the block. I suppose the cable could have been bad, but I suspect that dust, dirt and water (any type of moisture) is the bigger issue for most.
My 5.0 doesn't have a regular dipstick that sticks up. It goes straight into the engine pretty much the same way as what you explained. I live on a muddy dirt road and everytime I check my oil dirt falls in and the friction wore out the o ring on the dip stick. Bad design and will probably lead to my engine's death eventually.
@@Battlephrog All engine bays have large amounts of dirt, dust and grime in them. It wouldn't be that hard for the same thing to happen. After a road trip, my engine bay is just covered in dirt and dust. Really isn't a way around it due to the cooling setups that we use when we design engines. I'm sure the cables could be more robust, but in that line of thought, everything could be more robust.
Silverado Nomads - Have you seen their videos? Of course all vehicle engine bays get dirty. There’s quite a diff in a truck being torture tested through mud, water, etc... Vs. an RV driving around in the rain. Lol. Huge difference.
"iT's BrAnD nEw iT ShOuLdN't Be BrEaKiNg" Uhhh, yeah it's brand new. Meaning they have to work all the issue out just like with any other new platform. just because it's new doesn't mean it wont break why do you think most vehicles start having problems shortly after the warranty is up.
I work in a parts department at a Ford Dealer in Texas. There are so many parts on back order right now. And a lot of those are only available because some backwoods dealer out in the middle of nowhere has one sitting on their shelf collecting dust. Just the other day I was trying to track down an intake manifold for a 5.0 f150. About a half dozen dealers around me were showing one but they were reserved for service customers. We've been out of CAC tubes for the 11-16 6.7s for like 2 months and there's still no release date for them. This is gonna be going on for at least a few more months. Service is backed up because we can't get parts. When we do get parts service will still be backed up because we won't be able to keep up with the influx of customers needing their vehicles fixed.
This sounds exactly like the fiascos I used to have with FCA, prior to them buying my truck back! What kind of a company would leave a motorhome customer stranded for 30 days?! Scavenge parts from other new models & get that customer on the road!! Ford is living up to their old acronym of Fix Or Repair Daily! Thanks for this great review, as it hopefully will keep some innocent customers from getting ripped off by Ford. Good job Andre!
@@flagovhate We can still see that at the dealer. I see alot of customers that think their slick, their not. But for the most part we don't care about tunes unless you pop a turbo.
@@flagovhate There's a GSB about it. We can look at the programming data and see it. If it's been tuned or reprogrammed one of the program numbers will be really low. But like i said most of the time we don't care if it has been tuned.
.lol. i've owned a 2002 v8 f150, 2006 f150 v6, 2011 f150 v6 eco, and a 2017 v8 f150 and all have had bad coils & wires. as my favorite cop would say, 'welcome to the party pal!' ~~ still love my f150 and every ford truck i buy, i'm just going to expect that to happen. even with the piss poor coil engineering, still better than a Government Motors or Fiat truck. #freeTFL
@@Matts000 I get what you’re saying but Ford and it’s ignition system (coils, plugs) have been an issue for years. Even with this problem, still better than a Chevy or Fiat.
Snake Plissken I don’t like ford, but that’s not a fair comment. I can always get into the Honda dealership in a day or two, but when I schedule service for my Toyota, it’s always at least 2 weeks out.
This car seems pretty modern so what normally happens on the newer cars is that the ECU cuts off the injector on the misfiring cylinder so the cats won't get damaged by unburned fuel...
I have 2020 F250 7.3 3200 miles, 2.5 months old, no problems yet, didn’t want this engine, they all had 7.3s, had to search the whole state of MI in June, only two trucks in the state that meet my needs ( color, crew cab, XL)
Just took delivery of my 2021 F-350 with the 7.3...fantastic engine! Ford has changed the spark plug wires on them...they look similar to the one's from 2020 but are different at the boot where it attaches to the plug. They don't pull off nearly as easy now.
The only time I went into a Toyota service department there were only four vehicles in there. (Granted it was a smaller dealership). It should tell everyone something when theirs so many people saying they canty get their Ford's worked on because the dealers are backed up two weeks. Just saying. I've always said if you want to know what a good car is, don't look at the show room look at the service department.
@@Matts000 Nope. True story. Not just talking about trucks but brand in general. I used to work next to a large ford dealership and remember it always being full and sometimes they'd be working on stuff outside because there was no more room in the service department. And I'm not saying this because I'm anti ford. I've owned quite a few. In fact I have one now. Just talking about my observations.
@@curtis1951 Toyota has some god awful design sometimes, 90s corolla, 5th gear made of glass, if coil has slightly high resistance, it shuts off fuel pump
all cars break. Yes, toyotas are better built than fords. Any other genius tips? judging a brands reliability based on what you happened to observe during your one visit to a shop would be questionable at best
Ford should have mounted the heat shield to the manifold and not wrap the boot with metal. If the insulation breaks down even slightly, it will arc through the heat shield and ground to the manifold. This will be a continuous battle for any owner of these trucks.
I sell parts for a ford dealership. This part number is on backorder with a backorder date of 10/06/20 , which is subject to change. I cant believe the amount of people that dont understand why parts are hard to come by right now. A lot of parts are manufactured in liberal states that have too many restrictions due to "pandemic" if the states would open back up to normal things would be much better and parts more easily available.
My family buys Fords because they like the general manager of the Ford dealership. As the guy in the family that has to help fix and research fixes for any form of tech in the family, including vehicles, I can tell you that if you buy a Ford since 2012, you can almost count on having dumb issues like this. My mom's car had an issue with the remote start module that caused issues with the power steering when she got it, and now its transmission is slipping. It's a 2014 Fusion with 35,000 miles on it. My dad had a 2015 F-150 and the throttle body failed on it when it was almost brand new. Also the wheels rust weld themselves to the brake rotors so bad that you have to use a 200 pound hydraulic press to get them off. He traded it in when he started having random wiring issues with the turning signals.
I have 2020 with 7.3 and mine did same thing and no parts available so I put on wires from 6.2 they fit just a longer wire but it gets a guy on the road
Ford problems, my buddy bought one and had the same issue. My 15' Silverado 2500 hd has 135,000 miles and pulls just as well as the 7.3 🤑
Sammy Duran - lol no it doesn’t
@@CoyoteFTW Ya it does done get hurt. I can keep up with him and he's can keep up with me.
@HalfShell Nope 6.0 lol
@@samduran5180 but it's a Chevy!
The issue I have with Ford and other makes is that you have too complain on social media or make it public like TFL to get a response, otherwise they don't care.
Riot and protest online lol peacefully
I have to say that’s true but that is kinda the thing with all manufacturers
No it’s only Ford I promise you go find other complaints for FCA you won’t find any
Ultra Ryan2004 please obviously you’re young and don’t know any better it’s not only afford will leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere I have a Dodge Durango with 298,000 miles on it and it’s never left me stranded anywhere I’ve never even got a check engine light with any seriousness to it and it never miss fires As it has dual plugs with the original coils no Ford has an original coil beyond 80,000 miles
Thats like EVERY SINGLE American corporation now. You'll get better service from Chyna simply because its SO competitive over there. Here, American corporations feel like they are ENTITLED to our business.
You know what Andre? You do a fabulous job communicating with your viewers. Being politically correct and working extra hard at making sure everyone understands you. You also exhibit excellent listening skills. Most Americans do not make that much effort. You have my respect. As for this videos content, this continues to prove that TFL are an honest group. Thanks for the content. :)
Did people forget how to make spark plug wires. you really gonna sit around waiting 30 days for something that would cost you 50 dollars including tools from harbor freight to do yourself plus it would be an upgrade. Get some uncut universal MSD wires with boots from just about any parts store and make them yourself.
If the Canbus system is too sensitive it could throw a code if aftermarket wires have the incorrect OHM value. but it would be easy enough to match, after you read the ohm value across a good stock wire , match that with an equivalent aftermarket wire which usually gives you OHMs per foot in the information on the box.
All this being said Ford should own up to the problem and post the recall.
I was thinking the same, it's just a spark plug wire. Seems ridiculous they can't get Ed on the road with a set of wires from something else, or a custom set.
bobwatters If your statement is true, then why does Toyota outlast GM/Ford/Chrysler by at least 3 to 1? I was born American, love America but American vehicles are shit.
I had a Jeep 3.7, I damaged a plug wire changing plugs. I couldn't find anybody that had it in stock so I had the same thought. Turned out the universal plug boots wouldn't work. I'm thinking Ford may have done the same thing.
authority5150 Toyota doesn’t even make heavy duty vehicles. They’re only comfortable with light duty and crossovers. Toyota vehicles get far easier lives compared to the American work horses
@@adamgreen911 Bmw bikes's quality and reliability has plumetted in the last 20 years. The GS range has driveshafts that disintegrate after a few thousand miles, electronics which fry in heavy downpours etc. I have a '98 R850r one of the last solidly built BMW motorcycles.
My 2020 7.3 lost two plug wires while pulling in extreme heat. Couldn't get a full set so I tried the 6.2's but they would literally melt off after a short time. Let me frame this by saying that truck and load were over 20000 lbs and I was pulling in 38 C or 100.4 F heat. The fix there was adding Design Engineering Inc "protect-a-boot" sleeves to the 6.2 wires. This worked perfectly and protected the 6.2 wires all they way home. So after finally getting the updated plug wires from Ford I had the sleeves added to them as well (couldn't hurt right?). Our local dealership will be adding these sleeves at the PDI level for all their 7.3's going out the door. This was tested to the extreme and they are a game changer. I would think that any sleeve would work but the DEI's worked for me. If you have the 7.3 with the original wires just add the sleeves. Thinking Ford should do a recall. In spite of the aforementioned let me say that this is a great engine and I am very happy with the power!!
Ford guys "no big deal, just change them all every oil change"
yup! They always be having some crazy responses like that! “Oh the 5.4’s are good motors once you fix $10,000 worth of stuff” and the “6.0 diesels are good once you bulletproof them” $10-$15,000 later. How about you just buy a truck that’s good out of the box?
@@jaredchampagne2752 please don’t leave out the old 6.8 V10 my dad back in the day was always having coil issues. Lol, was actually a nice 2000 F-350 4X4 crew cab when the coils weren’t going bad. Nice to see Ford fix that old issue with the new 7.3
Right, thought Ford had the best build and quality. Most Ford owner I know straight out say they trade them at the end of the warranty.
Unable to get emergency service for over a week at a Ford dealership....hmmm What is keeping them so busy I wonder.
Well they stopped all production and started making ventilators for the COVID pandemic so that is likely the root cause of why they have problems getting parts made. Parts on the production line cannot be rerouted to the general public, unfortunately.
@@revest100 no it's all the rebuilds on the 5.0 oil issues
All of the Fords breaking down 24/7
@@ted101975 and that
its called hiring kids who dont how how to fix a big wheel and setting them loose in a dealer because they dont pay them shit
I think the fact that it's $24 is the issue, that means Ford is paying about $4 max for that thing
Probably ford is getting there parts from “dorman” 😂Car’s now day’s are junk
@@adamgreen911 its a poor design mr pro... look where the spark plug is and think about why a coil pack cant be there where it belongs and where they are on well designed engines
You got that right.
I put aftermarket plug wires on my diesel and it hasn't misfired since.
Haha
?????????? Ok
@@harryhumphrey2895 It's a joke. Have a laugh buddy!!
Why u think I said OK ....DUHA.....
Finally a TH-cam comment with humour. Not just some pissed off dude ranting
it had a bad spark plug wire. there, I just saved you 11 min
He obviously loves that truck and doesn't want to bash it. We all love our trucks, even the lemons.
Lol
I know this comment isn’t that funny but it has me laughing uncontrollably
Thank you!!!!
0:28
You can't tell me that Ford had no clue about this issue before this engine was released to the public. Just brutal
They are “coil wires” and it isn’t uncommon actually. It allows them to place the individual coils up and away from the massive heat created by the exhaust manifold, thus increasing the life of the coils
all metter where its made.....
Please explain to me how any vehicle manufacturer can know when a bad batch of parts were sent to them to be used on a production vehicle. Your comment is just dumb.
CDP because new trucks are made to leave the factory. Not made to last 20 years
@@Drewbmw07 its all made to throw away today and buy new tomorrow no matter what it is....
Bad quality control from whoever manufactures those spark plug wires.
Made in Mexico,poor quality control.
L Rich so is the powerstroke, hmm, makes sense!
@@lrich8181 alot things are made elsewhere my point is Mexico is not the issue
L Rich Actually China is where most Motorcraft parts are made. All manufacturers are in it boss.
The problem is FORD! Stop covering the real issues
RockAuto has Motorcraft wire sets for the Ford 7.3 for
Motocraft stuff sucks, get aftermarket
Is that set made in Mexico like the stock parts?
Rule of thumb! Never buy the first year of anything! Thanks for the heads up.
That's why I bought a 6.2 l V8 gas. It's a proven engine.
So a few things: A flashing check engine light means that the engine has detected a hard misfire. When this happens, the ECU will shut down both the ignition AND the fuel injector to that cylinder. With no combustion, the piston and combustion chamber wont over heat. Since there is no fuel being sprayed, there should be no potential for cylinder wash. The cylinder is oiled from splash and spray below in the crank case. While you dont want to do anything major, driving home down a cylinder wont hurt anything.
Sounds like just one of those things new models go through when launched. Probably either is incorrectly routed at the factory, or stretched and chaffed until it wore through. Should be easily address through a TSB after some factory research. These things happen to every manufacturer when launching new engines, transmissions or models. Just ask Lexus how their 2007-2010 2.5L IS250 engine did... lmao.
I have not seen a ECU do this.
@@crazeguy26 I've never seen an ecu do anything, they always just lay there with their wires laying limp like the lazy pigs that they are 😂
Any idea what year Ford changed this fuel strategy. Newest ford I worked on was a 2015 3.7l Explorer. It had a hard misfire due to bad coil, the ECU continued to spray fuel into the engine/cat converter.
Ya always wait a full production year b4 investing in a new rig with a new engine on the market.
They do it so we don't have to. Not all heroes wear capes. Some are strong Russian Bears (as Nathan would say.)
Ford has had problems with coils, wires and plugs since 1997 and they still haven't figured it out or fixed the miss fire on all their engines.. Go ahead google it. Every ford in my family has coil pack problems. JUNK!
@@larryw5429 Every car company learns from its mistakes... Not Ford, they plow ahead with the same bad ideas
@@larryw5429 and cylinder heads with 3 or 4 threads for sparkplugs. That wire design is LS gm. My work van with 4.8 went over 100k original wires and plugs was still running well when did tune up. 70 k miles later misfire bad wire. Aftermarket parts
“At least 10 thousand miles were problem free ...” LoL
Pretty good for a Ford.
My Honda CRV has run trouble free for 180K miles. That’s quality.
My 2003 suburban didnt need new plug wires until 185,000 miles. Hmmm
My 2016 Tundra @ 80k had zero issues. Tires and windshield wipers. 😂
New engine y'all. My f150 has 200,000 plus miles on it with a v6. Give em time and they'll work out the quirks.
"No pavement needed"... but you will need a "Parts Store" that has the "Part." You would think Ford would know by now which part supplier can reliably produce spark plug wires. There is no excuse for this.
You underestimate the power of the "Bean Counters" who will ok the part to the lowest bidder builder.
I hope it blows up, more content.
Pretty sure they needed pavement to get the parts lol
Wait, don’t tell me it’s made in China and the factory is under water. 😂
Supply chain management...always pushing the limits of quality and safety...THE LOWER LIMITS!
Fords new motto: " Ford, We'll make a mechanic out of you yet"!
LOL yep!
@@jttn6864 🤘😁👍🇺🇸
I'd be pissed IF I was to buy a new trok I wouldn't wanna have to work in it.
Yeah, I've been there where it took two dealerships, six days to NOT fix my front left strut...but I could do it in my driveway in three hours. Dammit Ford!
@@dinosoarmotorsports Yup like i said Ford will make a mechanic out of you . But on the bright side, now you know how to replace struts lol
Thank you for being upfront and honest, and not covering up because they are yr sponsors or some BS. I was looking really hard at this truck to get away from the un-dependability of modern diesel trucks. Wont be paying 60 plus K for same kinda crap.
186K on my 2007 5.7 Tundra, which is the first year of this engine, and not one problem. A spark plug wire is a part that has been around as long as the internal combustion engine itself. Can't really blame this on a new engine.
Wait till the death wobble starts.!
230k on a 2007 tundra. Get ready
Cam tower leak on the 5.7 get fixed yet?
Tundra is borring and can't tow anything 😆😆😆runs out of gas way to fast.
Shawn Moody cam tower doesn’t affect all of them. My buddy had an ‘08 and never had the issue. Another friend has a ‘10 Tundra and a ‘11 sequoia and has never had the issue. My old ‘13 had it around 30k. But my new crewmax has 135k miles now and never had the issue. Sucks for the techs because it’s such a big job for like $7 worth of RTV. It doesn’t render the truck undriveable like those plug wires though.
I’d strongly recommend either replacing all of them or keeping a spare in the glove box.
The truck doesn't even have 15 thousand miles on it he shouldn't have to carry any extra parts in his vehicle. Found on road dead
I would recommend replace the car.
Ford's rebadged are better than their own built.
Hey Daniel 👍🏻👋🏻
2020 ford. Still need to carry spare parts in the glove box. Some things never change. Whew. 10,000 trouble free miles. Thats great. For 1930. Too bad their engines aren't as baddass as the names they give them.
When Denver goes from 100 degrees to snow in 24 hours who records an outdoor video? That would be TFL Truck!
For real. This temperature swing is crazy!
@J Medrano the climate has never stopped changing
J Medrano This thread just disproves your theory... It went from 100 degrees to snow, so how does that have anything to do with global warming? If anything, it’s global cooling. Use your brain, small as it may be.
@J Medrano Everyone knows that the earth goes through temperature changes but Al Gore tries to convince everyone that it is totally man made, which is not true. Man might contribute just a smidgen of the temperature changes but it is part of our planet going through temperature changes like it has done for million of years.
@J Medrano possibly, but we should be setting new record highs every year, not every 20-30some years.
I’m a Retired Automotive Technician spent my whole life in this field. There is a lot more to thing’s like this than most people would understand. Just like there jobs would be hard for me to understand. It don’t matter if it cost $5k or $100K. If it is mechanical it can break down.
I really hope that Ford is getting on top of this. This engines were designed to be lower tech so that they could run for long periods in areas with very low temperatures. A misfire caused by a simple HT lead would completely disable this facility for fear of engine damage.
Wait, a Ford engine has an issue related to spark plugs? Huh...
Echos of the 5.4L
Lol
@@TexasScout We replaced all the motorcraft crap on our old 5.4 with Accel parts and never had an issue again. Shocking to me that Ford still can't get it right. No problems with our new 3.5EB... yet.
smith jones my 14 ecoboost 3.5 went through plugs like crazy. Every 30k miles I had to replace plugs and every 10k miles I had to gap them back down to 0.026
Leland Holton That’s a pretty tight gap for a modern engine, I guess they keep it like that because of the pressure of the turbos. It won’t blow out the spark.
Tell Ed about the dealership in Florida. Sounds like he needs parts too
Wouldn't be surprised if a quick "emergency fix" was to rip off the metal heat shield from the plug end boot if you are stuck waiting on a new one. It must be super sensitive to dirt, or there are contaminates in the silicone boot and the metal cover is simply aiding carbon tracking to that shield and grounding on the head. Plug wires seem simple, but simple things (mainly contamination) can cause misfires. Once high voltage breaks down a new path to ground it keeps using it.
Wouldn’t be surprised if the updated plug wire didn’t have the metal on it
My guess is that the wire isn’t retained well enough and it becomes slightly dislodged and with the high voltage they can generate with today’s electronics keeps working for a while but eventually it burns through and shorts to ground like you said. Fix will probably be new coils and slightly longer wires. Coil outlets will be 90 degrees to the current wire direction for better retention. Or they will have 1/4 turn locking mechanism at the connection 🤷♂️maybe? Like I said I’m guessing but ai guess pretty well a lot of the time. lol
@@RadDadisRad the new one has a metal shield it's probably just a replacement and not an upgraded version
Damn, that was a long ass story for a coil wire!
hahha true thats why these guys have a very healthy channel. I would watch another 20 min video about a flat tire if these guys put it out.
Very long story
It’s TFL, that’s what you can expect. 3 minutes of useful information in a long ass video.
Wow, I have the tremor with the 7.3 and no problems so far but this makes me want to get the part ordered just in case
Key word " So Far"
Cmon you should know the ford ownership game, gotta always keep spare parts in the glove box
This is the 3rd or 4th Ford truck that had had issues on TFL. None with Chevy or ram🤔
Probably why Ford doesn't like them anymore 😂
This would be number 3
Ram broke front diff.
Agent. K. That was the rebel right?
We all know ram is the least reliable 🤷🏻♂️
The only good thing that can come from a ram is the Cummins.
We've got your money. We don't care.
Ford
EVERY OEM at the moment.
Sorry thats EVERY large company, corporation.
For a truck this expensive no excuse for a problem at this price range! Ford is making money out poor quality parts! That’s the OEM of FORD!
Mario:
It's kind of a big let down with the new vehicles. I've got a 2016 ram with the 6.4 hemi and it needs an engine already due to a cam lifter failure and it packed all the bearings full of metal. Only 65,000km on the truck with oil changes every 5000km instead of the 10,000-12,000km interval. Just poor quality control.
Mario González that’s every large MFG anymore every mechanic or junk yard owner I’ve talked to all came down to the single point that these newer vehicles are all throw away garbage. Nobody builds with quality anymore, those days are gone. Now its “how cheaply can we build it for maximum profits”. If you want a truck that’s going to last, buy something with a carburetor on it. No special tool required, no computers to fail, no BS. I can say from experience it’s cheaper in the long run to do a frame off restoration of an old truck and have something that you own over buy something new and end up with a money pit before it’s paid off or shortly after it’s paid off.
swap the wire between cylinders and see if the miss migrates. That's how we would have done it in the old days. The coil end looks standard, and the plug end would be a standard plug,.. should be able to make one if you really need to until the actual part arrives. We used to make HT leads all the time from the kits. It's not rocket science.
I was thinking the same. Napa sells universal plug cables. They also sell a while universal kit so cut to length and have some spares lol
I highly doubt Ford makes there coil wires in house. It was a bad batch of wires from a parts vendor. Ford needs to drop that vendor very fast
Yesterday I ordered a new F-350 with the 7.3...it won't be built and delivered until December. While I was at the dealership, I opened the hood of one they had on the lot...a basic F-250 with this engine. It's surprisingly small for such big displacement, but that's good because there is a lot of space in the engine bay to do work and the exhaust manifolds, spark plugs and wires are easy to access. As I looked at this engine, it reminded me of when I was younger and we worked on them ourselves. Back then, if the engine started running weird, you'd pop the hood and take a look, and feel around. Sometimes the problem was obvious...a disconnected vacuum hose, and electrical connection come loose, etc...even with these newer vehicles, pop the hood and look around. Feel around, too.
Anyway, I noticed the fancy chrome ends of the spark plug wires and reached down to see how well they were attached...and with just two fingers the one I lightly pulled on came right off. And I mean RIGHT OFF like it was barely on there. Of course I plugged it back in but was shocked at how easily it came off...usually you have to give them a good pull and wiggle them around a bit.
So I come home to find this video...what a coincidence, huh? I'm glad to know that by the time I get my truck this will be resolved...but if you own one of these things, go out and check it for yourself. If the engine light comes on, pop the hood and make sure one of them hasn't worked loose. Now I don't know if that is the end all problem with these wires or if there is some kind of defect within the harness itself, but the attachment point at the boot is certainly concerning. You guys should buy a full set of upgraded wires as soon as they're available...warranty or not.
It very well may be that all this guy had to do was push that #2 back in tight and problem solved. Pop the hood...feel around, boys and girls. It's the fist thing I would have done.
10,000 miles problem FREE ! WOW ! = NEW FORD
It's a completely new engine. Teething problems are common regardless of brand in such scenarios.
@@ALMX5DP but come on, you can't sit there and believe these issues didn't come up during development considering how many are having these issues.
rochab77 of course issues come up in development, and those are largely corrected, but that doesn’t mean issues don’t remain. Nothing is ever perfect, especially in the first year or two of a development cycle.
🤣🤣ford 😂
@@ALMX5DP I think it boils down to a bad batch of parts myself, because something this common already wpuld have definitely shown up during testing of the engine.
Ford is about to start clapping back at TFL lol.
Ford: Oh TFL wanna keep our names in their mouth’s. DOUBLE BAN
🤣🤣🤣
Double Secret Probation!
Lol
SMITE!!!
I wonder if they gonna put this truck in junk yard as soon as they get the TRX...
What were the details on them getting banned from ford?
Wow.
My new king ranch is doing the same thing. I took it to the dealer with 600 miles on it and they replaced the plug. It started doing it again at 950 miles. I'm taking it back tomorrow.
Yikes, good luck getting it fixed!
@ Pizza Hog
Did they fix it ?
Turn it in and go buy a Ram. I did, FAR BETTER TRUCK!
@@johnnyturbo8460 no it's not trans and electronics are super weak on those no thx
@@jayg9732 lol at least they run. Your ford trans would let go to if you were towing more then a lawnmower.
That's typically what fords around here tow, meanwhile Rams are seen pulling 5 car trailers, heavy equipment and live stock. And have over 300k miles on them
I have heard that it’s a known issue. Very often the problem is just moisture at the bottom of the spark plug well (sounds quite likely with the zero mileage trucks that were mentioned in the video, could just be from condensation on a cold engine block). The fix can be as simple as removing the ignition coil and blow drying it and the spark plug and well, then plugging everything back up. Worth a try before trying to track down a $24 coil.
At least, that’s what I’ve heard. 😊
Knowing Ford, I'm very surprised that this was replaced under warranty. Your tune probably advanced ignition timing and Ford usually doesn't hesitate to cancel someone's warranty for such things.
Dodge fixed their Ram (with aftermarket tires, etc.) when it blew a front axel. Dealerships give TFL a pass because of their TH-cam exposure.
@@HKmaroLS1 Sadly I'm sure you're right. Joe Consumer would have gotten the shaft.
It’s $24 because he wanted spares
Screw you, Ford is like all of the others. Problems with their trucks first year.
The odds are pretty good that the replacement parts, (wires) are going to fail at some point also. The root cause of the failure needs to be investigated.
Eventually replacement parts will come through as modified parts with a slightly different part number or suffix.
They might have already modified it... Or perhaps it was a bad batch and the supplier already fixed it. We'll never know
Ya I think the coils might have too much juice and burning out wires
I bet this engine is blown by now. The 7.3’s seem to be having some pandemic issues.
Why would you have to pay for parts on a truck with 10k miles?
He bought extras. I’m sure they were warrantied for the repair. They’re not going to give your free parts because you want spares. Use your brain.
Must be the "Ford Tax",...LOL
"you have to wait 30+ days to get your truck on the road" I think almost everyone who ever owned a 6.4 just entered the chat....
I have Ford Explorer 2008 V8. It has 150k mileage. Still runs great ✌🏻
Old Ford trucks and SUVs are much better than the new ones.
Man...talk about making a long story longer....dude, please just get to the point
Have to get over 10 minutes to get the video monetized... talk about drawing it out.
He needs money
Whole channel is like this. They do good stuff ultimately, but where one sentence would do, they do in six sentences...
I completely understand what you're saying, but they have to make ALL their videos over a certain length or it will miss up TH-cam's algorithm and cause them issues.
So true!!!
Gee guys last time I checked you can buy a spark plug wire at any auto parts store as a temporary fix. Then get the dealer to fix it when the parts come in. Do people not know anything about engines anymore? I know its warranty but good grief Charlie Brown!
I tend to agree. There would be several options to keep the truck working including yours and using a donor truck, new or used, to cannibalise leads temporarily until new stock came through.
Exactly what I thought. Plug wires are near bronze age technology.
I love Ford, I learned driving in a 83 Ford Del Rey and the second car I drove was also a Ford. I have an emotional connection with the brand BUT due to its bad reputation with dealership service here in Brazil (and as I can see, it also happens in Australia and others markets too) and SO MANY "small" problems that come and go with no solution, I won't ever have a Ford again myself. The 3.2 Diesel Ranger sold here has got SO MANY problems with licking oil, water and overheating... it's a pitty. Ford makes beautiful vehicles, they drive and feel great, but these "minor" issues combined with a lazy dealership network makes it all a pain in the ass.
Have a 2016 suburban. Transmission is crap and then with the tow package the put larger Transmission lines instead of a cooler
I can't remember if this is the 3rd of 4th Ford to break down on TFL Truck. Dumpster Fire 🔥
Not true.
@@TexasMan77 oh yes it is!!!
I'm on my 2nd one. Started having problems with the first one at 2,100 miles and lemon lawed it at 3,200 miles. I'm pretty sure they missed that truck when they had the recall on those motors. Current one is at 2,500 and no issues yet. The dealer jerked me around a little bit, but once I contacted corporate directly, I was able to get my replacement truck a few weeks later.
We picked up our new 2022 F250 with the 7.3 and with in a half hour the truck would not start. After several attempts the truck started and I drove it back to the dealer. On the way I stopped at a stop light and the truck remained in 10th gear. I tapped the pedal and the truck clunked and shifted into 1st. You could here the engine misfiring. The dealer is telling me that the crank sensor is the problem. They said I can pickup later today. We will see......
Oh man, any updates? I’m considering a F250 Tremor with the 7.3 if I can find one, but these issues being talked about aren’t small ones.
I wondered what country the part/materials were made in? I can guess it starts with a C or M.
Canada or Malaysia maybe?
Yep... CHINA and MEXICO!
LOL
It says made in Mexico right on the bag. 3:53
Chile and Mongolia
Having older generation stuff is great for parts. Every corner auto parts store has multiple options.
only problem with that is u may get cheap China crap. Nothing but Manufacturer OEM for my Honda and my Ford
True, and I agree. But if I need emergency repairs to keep me rolling until I get OEM its nice. I work on my own vehicles and its reasonable option in the boonies. I need my truck for work so every day counts.
Rockauto is where its at if you want cheap parts if you dont mind waiting. They even have OEM PARTS
Meh if a $24 part is the only issue on a brand new first year engine I would be pretty happy. Probably end up a recall.
Matthew Huszarik all probably covered by warranty
Catalytic converter is not covered under warranty. Just went through this with my wife's expedition
Steven lindsey Idk how that happened unless it’s an old expedition or with a lot of miles, there’s actually federal laws that exist when a Converter fails before the warranty.
St. Beter its a 2017 with 70k miles. Still have warranty for 30k but all extended warranty companies do not cover that. I even called the company that I have for my 2019 f350. They say catalytic converters are considered a part designed to be replaced. I dont agree but what else can you do.
Was there testing done on the cable? can you show us how the cable test out with a multi meter?
No kidding. For all the stalling to hold you in suspense for 10 minutes, it could have been packed with some really helpful info such as showing resistance and perhaps some quality aftermarket alternatives. Ford gives you crap and you should pay an additional $24 dollars stocking up on more defective parts?
When I worked on my own engines years ago if I remember wright. Who knows on the new engines now. Number one cylinder was always the one that stuck out towards the front the farthest.
I'm definitely not regretting getting a 2019 6.2! Always teething issues with the first model.
Yup agreed, first year is always full of issues and gives me cause to pause on new engines.
Same here. 2019 6.2 with zero problems!
I bought a 2019 6.2 and have been very happy. Always wait a year or two on the brand new stuff.
The 6.2 is just a good motor. Have one in my 2011 F250. Only 1 problem so far... hurts my wallet keeping her fueled up.
My only problem with the 6.2 is the 16 damn spark plugs lol
Not to sound like a troll but this video is exactly why I’m patiently waiting for the redesigned Toyota, sorry big three.
At least they're taking their time to get it right instead of rushing it. I'm sure they will take note of the ecoboost issues and work to prevent their twin turbo v6 from having those same issues. I'd still take the 5.7 over a turbo v6 though if im gping tk be working it. Im hoping they offer a diesel, something bigger than a 3.0 but smaller than the cummins 5.0. If they do ill trade my titan xd in for one.
The last time I checked, Toyota does not play in the HD category.
Yes, you are a troll that’s been waiting almost a decade for a newTundra.
CDP Well this Toyota troll owned five GM (3 new) and one new Ford (with a problem they never could resolve), those trucks can’t compare to Tundra and Tacoma resale and reliability. Yes Toyota doesn’t do HD, but for a truck called a Super Duty no way should it have failed either. When I spend $60K a $24 dollar part ought to be FedEx’d overnight, no excuses.
Next time be sure to get to heated tailgate option.
It's really nice for when you have to push it home.
I just bought a 2021 a week ago, hope they fixed that problem !
My 7.3 DIESEL has been running trouble free since 1999. 😊
Damn ford.... come on now, that’s just sad
10,000 miles, already having to visit the dealership and to keep spare parts. 🙃🙃🙃
The fix will be, Ford will just start putting one in the glove box of all 7.3 trucks that come out from now on. (Ford FIX)
1 second ago
my neighbors 2020 silverado, with 2K miles had the same issue, dealer swapped #4 cylinder spark plug cable, but he kept the truck for 5 days, would NOT give him a free rent car because he , did not pay extra $2800 for the extended warranty..Chevy ..........
"see you guys, it's Chevy's fault my ford has problems. Now listen to my made up, I mean true story"
I would not be surprised if the parts come from the same supplier
To help TFL from here on out, if you need to know which bank is bank one ( in v6, v8, v10, v12 etc applications) for your cylinder firing order, it's always the cylinder head closest to the front of the vehicle. In transverse mounting its the cylinder closest to the belts. Hope i helped educate some people.
Quick troubleshoot. Switch wires from a good firing cylinder to the problem firing cylinder. If problem switches, wire is bad. If problem persists on same bad firing cylinder, not the wire.
There was likely water getting to the failed wire at either end. Make sure you use dielectric grease to help seal.
My buddies timing chain stretched in his Ecoboost with only 77,000 miles on it. The dealership couldn't get to it for 2 months!!!
Built Ford tough!!!
My 2017 raptor blew up at 20,000 miles, cam phasers shit the bed, timing chain stretch, was making a horrible ticking noise, I was put on a wait list for months also, Ford is by far the worst manufacturer.
@@jaredchampagne2752 man that sucks!!!
So far I have 117,000 trouble free miles on my 5.3 silverado, average 22.3 to 24 MPG and I off road it often!!!
That wouldn't stop me from getting that 7.3. Ford always made good big blocks. As a gm guy im jealous ford has a big block...hope gm brings back the 8.1l
There’s no way they will ever do that
@@jacobyo99 🤣🤣🤣🤣 i know at least not in its previous form the world is still suffering from 8.1mpg that pig got, you would have to attatch that engine to a 35 speed transmission just to get 13mpg. Jhc i loved that truck but man did i hate filling that bitch.
Yeah......like the Ford big block 427 SOHC.
@@panthermartin7784 Yeah and I want them to bring back the 3800 but that obviously ain't gonna happen lmao
ablackprep best engine they’ve ever made. Direct injection+turbo... would still be reliable unlike the 3.6
My next door neighbor works at Ford here in Louisville they also have a transmission problem with a sensor crystallizeing up on the F-250's Thru F-650's they caught it told the line supervisor & was told just run them through!!! He explained that it would be cheaper to wait until enough people complained then Ford could issue a recall it's cheaper than stopping the line to fix the problem at the beginning.. It's sad now most trucks cost as much as a small house we spend our HARD EARNED MONEY only to buy a known about defective product.. that being said I've always bought an drove a Ford... from my 92 GT convertible to my 95 Lightning + 2007 Ranger 4×4
Welcome to the world. New product new troubles. We truckers been fighting these issues since 07. Still tough to find shop to get in. Then find parts. Best of luck safe travels
The domestics don't put anywhere near the amount of testing and r&d into their new stuff. Either that or a mix of cost cutting.
More of a parts supplier issue. I'm sure Ford put plenty of R&D into this engine, but the parts for those test engines are made in small quantities. Then once they say the engine is okay to go into mass production, they'll put in their orders from these suppliers. So it's the supplier of those wires that is having the quality control issue once they started mass producing them.
@bobwatters I bought a first year Mazda 3 with the skyactiv drivetrain and have had literally zero issues or failures in 204,000 miles. I know someone who works for a mazda dealer and they said these motors/ transmissions are basically bulletproof. This is on a completely new motor and completely new transmission using, at the time, lots of brand new technology and methods. So it can be done, some manufacturers just cheap out.
@@howardburleigh3568 Yet this isn't an engine issue, it's a part/supplier issue
@@FusionBoost2.0 true, I was just trying to show that vehicles can be released in good order, but that some manufacturers tend to have this kind of track record from what I have seen. None of them are perfect and they can't control a supplier though, I get that 👍
I called the Ford Dealer for the same issue. They told me to buy a RAM HD. With a Cummins engine problem solved.
Aftermarket parts from Accel, D.U.I., MSD, Pertronics, etc. Will perform with better fuel economy and power.
Thank you! Not too expensive?
At work we replaced about 30 F250s with Silverado 1500s and one hot day about 15 trucks died followed by the rest. The new trucks had bad fuel pumps so guys had to use old trucks till the parts were available. I bought one of the 2012 f250s for $800....and a 2012 3500hd for $1200. No complaints on my work horse trucks.
Another reason why I buy ram and not a ford. I know ford sells a lot of trucks but they always have issues. Ford try’s to hard to release new products before other manufacturers but the results show they never fully tested them.
Not to forget you can damage the catalytic converters running the truck on a misfire.
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Not on a modern vehicle, they all shut off the fuel injector for the cylinder that has the misfire to prevent catalyst damage.
@@benjaminwayneb What's modern? My 2004 Hemi didn't.
@@benjaminwayneb I supposed that's true. But it certain cases you can have a misfire caused y leaking injector and you would still cause damage to the catalyst. It would just be not true for this particular situation
That is why the check engine light flashes, that indicates a possible cat damaging event that requires immediate attention from a dealer that’s booked out two weeks in advance LOL
I would rather have a $24.00 problem than a $240.00 or $2,400.00 problem.
That feature unlocks at 15,000 miles
Shredxcam22 that’s great because it’s still under warranty
@@kenneyp1 nothing better than being stranded waiting on a tow
Shredxcam22 said like a true Chevy bro
Guy said he drove home.
It’s the same with every car brand ! Subaru does the same thing.
i agree, there are different suppliers, how you gonna catch invisible defect until it starts breaking loose
@JAG Don't be so hard on your self, I was good with my 2 Chryslers and my friend was unlucky with his Tundra, things are not exactly black or white only and TH-cam comments don't make the reliability
Seeing this video makes me wish I had my 1987 F150 red single cab 4x4 with a manual transmission. It was everything I ever needed in a truck and never let me down.
First: there are 'secret' recalls...items to correct that do not fall under the normal recall criteria. You have to make a complaint that matches the secret recall, otherwise you'll never know it exist, it will only come up on the service departments inhouse database.
Second: with this info in mind...if I owned the same vehicle -- same engine -- and encountered the same problem/code, I would definitely swap out adjacent wires to see if that isolated the failed component.
Lastly: I do carry a scan tool in my truck. They are relatively cheap and knowing the specific code is "all important" these days.
I would have sent u $24 to open one. The sound of you crinklying that package over and over is killing me
Haha
Looking at that engine bay, I can probably surmise what happened.
Look at the end of that cable and how the opening points up. So that means any dust, dirt and water that sits on top of that will fall down that opening.
If it was reversed, the rubber opening was facing down (It would be attached to the coil pack) and the cable slide up into it, then it wouldn't have that issue. Even if something splashed up, it wouldn't be enough to get past the rubber connector (since it would be tight around the insert). Gravity assisting dust, dirt and water would be eliminated. Also, all those particles are being assisted by the expanding and contracting of the engine components.
If anything gets into those connectors, it can fry that cable on the extreme, and cause overall downtime while it is being cleaned. It just seems like a bad design all around. They might as well just have made a big bowl on the top of the intake that drains all the water into the block.
I suppose the cable could have been bad, but I suspect that dust, dirt and water (any type of moisture) is the bigger issue for most.
Exactly what I thought when I saw that..
Doesn’t explain the RV guy (Ed?) that he mentioned with 3 bad wires.
Off roading in his RV?
My 5.0 doesn't have a regular dipstick that sticks up. It goes straight into the engine pretty much the same way as what you explained. I live on a muddy dirt road and everytime I check my oil dirt falls in and the friction wore out the o ring on the dip stick. Bad design and will probably lead to my engine's death eventually.
@@Battlephrog All engine bays have large amounts of dirt, dust and grime in them. It wouldn't be that hard for the same thing to happen.
After a road trip, my engine bay is just covered in dirt and dust. Really isn't a way around it due to the cooling setups that we use when we design engines.
I'm sure the cables could be more robust, but in that line of thought, everything could be more robust.
Silverado Nomads - Have you seen their videos? Of course all vehicle engine bays get dirty. There’s quite a diff in a truck being torture tested through mud, water, etc... Vs. an RV driving around in the rain. Lol.
Huge difference.
"iT's BrAnD nEw iT ShOuLdN't Be BrEaKiNg"
Uhhh, yeah it's brand new. Meaning they have to work all the issue out just like with any other new platform. just because it's new doesn't mean it wont break why do you think most vehicles start having problems shortly after the warranty is up.
I work in a parts department at a Ford Dealer in Texas. There are so many parts on back order right now. And a lot of those are only available because some backwoods dealer out in the middle of nowhere has one sitting on their shelf collecting dust. Just the other day I was trying to track down an intake manifold for a 5.0 f150. About a half dozen dealers around me were showing one but they were reserved for service customers. We've been out of CAC tubes for the 11-16 6.7s for like 2 months and there's still no release date for them. This is gonna be going on for at least a few more months. Service is backed up because we can't get parts. When we do get parts service will still be backed up because we won't be able to keep up with the influx of customers needing their vehicles fixed.
This sounds exactly like the fiascos I used to have with FCA, prior to them buying my truck back! What kind of a company would leave a motorhome customer stranded for 30 days?! Scavenge parts from other new models & get that customer on the road!! Ford is living up to their old acronym of Fix Or Repair Daily! Thanks for this great review, as it hopefully will keep some innocent customers from getting ripped off by Ford. Good job Andre!
This reminds me of an experience I had on the very last Ford I will ever own back in 1994. Sounds like things haven't changed much!
Must be a Nissan man.
“Guy has to wait for parts”. Did you buy 8 of them 😂. Looks like what the receipt shows
Tune? You tuned out your warranty?
Don't be a simpleton. You remove your tune prior to having any dealer work done.
@@flagovhate We can still see that at the dealer. I see alot of customers that think their slick, their not. But for the most part we don't care about tunes unless you pop a turbo.
@@mattstoll4747 really? How do you know if it had a tune? Will the history just be recent?
@@flagovhate There's a GSB about it. We can look at the programming data and see it. If it's been tuned or reprogrammed one of the program numbers will be really low. But like i said most of the time we don't care if it has been tuned.
Whenever I search online the part doesn't match my truck. Send link for that part for the 2022 7.3l please?
I just purchased the 2022 f-250 7.3 where can I purchase that exact part to keep as backup incase an emergency situation.?
.lol. i've owned a 2002 v8 f150, 2006 f150 v6, 2011 f150 v6 eco, and a 2017 v8 f150 and all have had bad coils & wires. as my favorite cop would say, 'welcome to the party pal!' ~~ still love my f150 and every ford truck i buy, i'm just going to expect that to happen. even with the piss poor coil engineering, still better than a Government Motors or Fiat truck. #freeTFL
You can't fix stupid.
Leonard Rice you mean to tell everyone your going to own your truck for many years problem free?? 😂
@@Matts000 I get what you’re saying but Ford and it’s ignition system (coils, plugs) have been an issue for years. Even with this problem, still better than a Chevy or Fiat.
Your like that guy who gets cheated on and begs the gf not to leave him haha
@@MAL-92 well, I feel it’s more a kin to battered wife syndrome.
5 days... Learning customer service from Tesla?
Tesla would take five weeks
The worst part is, you may have toasted your cat converter on that side.
TexasScout Noneofyourbusiness no way. It takes a long time for that to happen.
Nah, he would have had to put some serious miles and be extremely negligent for that to happen.
Snake Plissken I don’t like ford, but that’s not a fair comment. I can always get into the Honda dealership in a day or two, but when I schedule service for my Toyota, it’s always at least 2 weeks out.
This car seems pretty modern so what normally happens on the newer cars is that the ECU cuts off the injector on the misfiring cylinder so the cats won't get damaged by unburned fuel...
From a misfire? Doubt it
I have 2020 F250 7.3 3200 miles, 2.5 months old, no problems yet, didn’t want this engine, they all had 7.3s, had to search the whole state of MI in June, only two trucks in the state that meet my needs ( color, crew cab, XL)
Just took delivery of my 2021 F-350 with the 7.3...fantastic engine! Ford has changed the spark plug wires on them...they look similar to the one's from 2020 but are different at the boot where it attaches to the plug. They don't pull off nearly as easy now.
The only time I went into a Toyota service department there were only four vehicles in there. (Granted it was a smaller dealership). It should tell everyone something when theirs so many people saying they canty get their Ford's worked on because the dealers are backed up two weeks. Just saying. I've always said if you want to know what a good car is, don't look at the show room look at the service department.
Your kidding me right? I hope your not just talking about trucks.
@@Matts000
Nope. True story. Not just talking about trucks but brand in general. I used to work next to a large ford dealership and remember it always being full and sometimes they'd be working on stuff outside because there was no more room in the service department. And I'm not saying this because I'm anti ford. I've owned quite a few. In fact I have one now. Just talking about my observations.
@@curtis1951 Toyota has some god awful design sometimes, 90s corolla, 5th gear made of glass, if coil has slightly high resistance, it shuts off fuel pump
all cars break. Yes, toyotas are better built than fords. Any other genius tips? judging a brands reliability based on what you happened to observe during your one visit to a shop would be questionable at best
@@Mach141
I'm not basing my opinion or advice on one visit to a service department. Nice try though.
Ford should have mounted the heat shield to the manifold and not wrap the boot with metal. If the insulation breaks down even slightly, it will arc through the heat shield and ground to the manifold. This will be a continuous battle for any owner of these trucks.
Problems at 10k miles? Waaaaayyyy too soon. Come on ford, this is ridiculous.
I sell parts for a ford dealership. This part number is on backorder with a backorder date of 10/06/20 , which is subject to change. I cant believe the amount of people that dont understand why parts are hard to come by right now. A lot of parts are manufactured in liberal states that have too many restrictions due to "pandemic" if the states would open back up to normal things would be much better and parts more easily available.
People who miss Studebaker would know to buy a generic plug wire set, then cut and crimp their own replacements.
My family buys Fords because they like the general manager of the Ford dealership. As the guy in the family that has to help fix and research fixes for any form of tech in the family, including vehicles, I can tell you that if you buy a Ford since 2012, you can almost count on having dumb issues like this. My mom's car had an issue with the remote start module that caused issues with the power steering when she got it, and now its transmission is slipping. It's a 2014 Fusion with 35,000 miles on it. My dad had a 2015 F-150 and the throttle body failed on it when it was almost brand new. Also the wheels rust weld themselves to the brake rotors so bad that you have to use a 200 pound hydraulic press to get them off. He traded it in when he started having random wiring issues with the turning signals.