Great to see Jack working as your spotter. This proves technology is not all that its cracked up to be. Great grouping for the wind conditions, actually amazing. Stay Safe!!!!
Great video! I’ve never had any luck with the Hades past 40 yards , stick with the Diabolos for long distances, especially in windy conditions! Thumbs up on all your videos!! Keep ‘em coming
You're an awesome shooter. Thanks for the comparison. When you find a firearm/airgun that just fits you well, discover the ammo/power combo it performs best with, stick with what works. Newer just doesn't mean better automatically.
Both best of British Simon but that rapid is the dogs danglers. They will always be the benchmark too follow in my eyes.thought the twenty five would have been better in the wind though. Interesting all the same keep up the good work si
Ye Stephen i actually shot another 3 or 4 groups after with the .25 but didn't put it in the video and to be fair it just couldn't cope in that wind like the .22 did that day.
My Mk2 Theoben Rapid is .22 and is also a tack driver, up until a year ago i was still getting Ben from Theoben to service it, they were way ahead of their time in development, had mine from new still shoots as good as the day i bought it. Great shooting Si that wind sounded strong on the video.
Thanks Matt ye the wind was stupid to be fair but it was just a day testing which i didn't really plan to film but i did so thought i might as well edit it lol
@@simon6ppc246 i think it was a good educational video that gives everyone an insight into different calibres and how the wind affects their groups and trajectory’s, good stuff.👍🏻
Hi Simon . The Theoben guns were ahead of their day. Ben Taylor did a lot of work in the early days with FX, he designed the early smooth twist barrel, FX magazine were based on the rapid mags. I owned two mk2 fac guns over the years and yes there were tack drivers. Stupidity sold both as you do, the biggest down side was having to remove the bottle to fill it which meant a new O ring most of the time. All that said the Rapid is a great gun, if you can find one that hasn’t been ‘fiddled’ with buy it. Good stuff Simon.
Hades' head design hasn't performed well for me over 50yds. With identical weight pellets in 1-3mph wind, the standard Diabolo dome head JSB's are outstanding. (.22) Thank you for the great videos, your presentation is right on the mark.
Great video as ever. Got an old, 2nd hand Titan Manitou in 22 cal from before they turned into Falcon. Got it in about 98 and always stayed my go-to rabbit rifle. Slightly updated with a target style stock and one of those 3d type computer generated butt hooks, but all the same, a cracking rifle that never fails....sometimes simplicity over technology, the bare mechanics work so well, and a slight bit of homework and skill! Great to see the old wing man with you as ever, definite trooper. Look forward to next upload. 😊
Ive got an old falcon fn19 thats never had the seals done, absolutely nothing but abit of TLC and it shoots spot on every time. I honestly think its shoots just as good as my fx wilcat.
Ye may be pal, don't get me wrong the new rifles of today are brilliant just in my eyes no more accurate than some of the old ones using pellets that is.
Your right .22 is still king, it’s better in the wind than .25 for sure (at same speed) Bit like .17hmr is better in the wind than .22lr but people won’t have it 😂. That was a brilliant video would love to see more of this type of vid 👍
Nice one I was so impressed with my rapid 7 was gutted wen it got stolen it was the first bottle gun I saw and is still up with the best today a classic thanks for the memory jog
Incredible video, I too shoot a mk1 rapid in .22 running at 29ftlbs I shoot 16 grain AA field. It’s a tac driver but I’ve never shoot it past 60 yards. It’s coming out tomorrow for a squirrel job so I think I’ll give it a try. It’s my primary rabbit gun even over my .17 hmr Top stuff.
Hi our simon rapid is number one for me simon i lv them both 👍👍simon its bang on the mark the way it sounds and the look of it amazing my friend i do think the redwolf amazing to i would lv to own them bothe simon for me its got to be the rapied bro i just lv it thank you so much for your time to do the testing i injoyed that .hi there our jack nice to see you out with your master look after our simon you both are a tresher please be safe and lv out to you both and family 👍👍god🙏bless and we see you both soon 👏👏happy pestcontrol my friend🤣
Hi Simon the rapid is a great bit of kit its so easy to strip down to work on one bolt clamp to remove barrel so so accurate will even out perform the steyr all the best fred.
Great comparison on the two rifles I've heard from different people that the Hades pellets tend to have a problem at longer distances as far as accuracy. Good to see Jack out with you you guys make a great team. Cheers brother
Thank Donald ye i to hear this but that Red wolf shoots the Hades the best out the 2, infact i am gonna do a part 2 to this vid using the same pellet in each rifle but on a calm day i think.
Again, very good stuff, Simon. I think you may be right about the velocity-wind-resistance differences between the two. I hope you can retest them side-by-side on a calmer day, just for the halibut. Still, wind-resistance is part of the formula for accurate shooting, and if there is something about the .25 that makes it inherently less accurate than the .22, it'd be worth knowing. Give Jack a big "at-a-boy" from me, plus a doggy treat.
Thanks Brian and to be fair out the wind the rapid just has the edge but in the wind it wins by a mile so the 22 deff seems to be the best cal out the two i think.
Hiya bud another good video I think it's more the pellet difference I recently bought a BSA ULTRA SE Tactical in 25 only sub12 but iv noticed in testing pellets that the hades always has a lower point of impact they are a good pellet but I do think that they have their flaws
Had mine 20 years lol decided to put best fittings quick fill and new bottle on and had nowt but trouble with it, put the old battle back on shoots great, so as the saying goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it ha ha
I totally agree with you, I owned an fac rapid 7 with a tyralian stock and it was a fabulous rifle, as it happens it was made about 10 miles from my home. I am also in agreement with you about the .25 catching more wind. I swapped the .25 and have gone back to the .22 using slugs and it is as good in fac as it can be, although not a tac driver.nice to see the comparison though, thanks
Ye the first time i used that .25 when i bought it it did shoot well but i just noticed at distance it soon lost it in the wind where as the Rapid seemed not to.
@@simon6ppc246 As a fellow rifle shooter like yourself we understand that a heavy bullet copes better in the wind but obviously not so with pellets, do you have a theory to why that is? It would be interesting if you did the same test with the air rifles only this time using slugs in a side wind.
Absolutely agree, different calibers handle wind differently. And New vs Old is not always all it is cracked up to be. My best 22LR bench gun is a 1962 model Anschutz. My 2017 Anschutz cannot compare at all with it. And the trigger on the 2017 is supposed to be a better model... Not always obvious when you need to pick a winner!! But the proof is in the holes!!!
The Rapids were solidly made right first time. I've still got a few. My .22 is playing up a bit accuracy wise at the mo. I went to the dark side for a .25 M3, accurate and adjustable but handling wise give me a rapid.
@@simon6ppc246 No keep the rapid mate , the impact is great for its accuracy adjustability and potential power , but works best as a static gun. I was torn between the impact and the crown.
@@simon6ppc246 Your rapids working well, if it ain't broke as the saying goes. The main advantage of the fx's as I see it is the external adjustment on the reg and hammer. I went with the m3 over the crown as its still compact with a long barrel and if I ever wanted to go down the slug route( unlikely as I have .22lr) it has the power capacity over the crown. ATB Neil
Hi Simon no shame on the rapids i had a 20 and a 17 sorry i parted with them the only thing i disliked about them was having to screw the bottle of to fill i sorted that by getting filler valves put in the end of the bottle problem sorted nice to see you both out again ATB
I Had a rapid in the 90s. I remember looking at it & thinking it was like something from outerspace. I dont think im wrong in saying it transform the airgun world.
Ya know Jim you are 100% right pal, only a month back when i had it on slugs it put an Impact 3 to shame at 100 yards but i won't lie the Impact beat it further out as the Rapid just doesn't have the power but was still impressive.
@simon6ppc246 that maybe so Si but how often would you really use an air rifle past 100 yards when there are so factors to consider. Nevertheless the rapid 7 is an iconic air rifle and always will be mate. Great video mate 👍
It's tough to accurately test outside with windy conditions, better to do that on an indoor range. I would expect tighter grouping at 80 yards (75ish meters). Pellet choice the most accurate for those rifle? At the moment I have around 17 different types of pellets lying around. I even noticed difference between batches of pellets, when ever I am almost out of them I buy 1 tin of JSB exact and test it, if it groups I take note of the batch number and buy 10 tins of them. Some barrels want batch A and some want batch B so I always have a rifle that groups good with them. And I am one of this people that takes a scale and weights the pellets if i want to test or shoot a competition at 100 meters.
Ye i to ty all different types Johan and that day i used the best i had for both rifles it was only a bit of fun but i was just shocked how well the 22 shot in the wind.
Simon, I always enjoy your varminting videos and am very impressed by your shooting skill. I am an avid airgunner and I'm sure you know that the Hades pellet is not known to be particularly accurate beyond 50-60 yds. The JSB King 25.39gr and/or 33.95gr domed pellets are reportedly better at long ranges. I have a 65FPE .25 Gauntlet that actually shoots slugs very well. As I'm sure you know, the slugs have a much better BC that shoot flatter and drift much less in the wind. I've made kills beyond 150yds with this rifle shooting NSA 29gr HP slugs.
Ye i tried the 25 kings after pal and they were just the same if not worse i should have put it all in the video to be fair but thought it would have been boring for every one to watch, and to be fair that red wolf won't shoot slugs and trust me i spent a year trying every one on the market, the rapid shoots H/N slugs awesome it can almost half inch at 100 yards on the day.
I would also expect tack driving accuracy from that rifle. For the price you are right to be angry about it. I think I'd be looking to the factory for a better barrel.
Great video Simon. Just wondering how much the mental game of being comfortable with the rifle comes into play. I know I'm super confident in my 2002 .177 sub12ftb Daystate Mk3.
Ye Paul i think we all kind of like and have our favourites rifles and i love that Red wolf to be fair but when i put it against the rapid i get mad how much better the rapid always is even though others think its like a set up.
I used to own a .25 FAC Redwolf, it could not group the heavier 33.95g jsb but loved the lighter 25g jsb exact and it also shot alot of slugs well. I think if you had a well tuned .22 Redwolf against your Rapid then it would probably of faired better....but saying that, the Rapid is one hell of a rifle, still doing it after all these years.
Ye Paul i do agree with what you say just what kind of makes me laugh is that a 2019 standard Red wolf is highly tunned compared to that 1996 Rapid so even a standard state of the art Red wolf should really beat a standard 1996 Rapid but you are right.
😎🤗saludos mr simon y mr jack muy interesante comparacion de rifles aun que la diferencia no es significativa si se nota pasado los 50mts siempre es un agrado ver sus videos
Hi Simon, Thank you for your video involving these two super air rifles. My comment comes with great respect, as you, and most of your viewers will be more experienced than I am, seen and lived through more. That in mind, I'd like to raise just a couple of points here, please? You have here, two fantastic air rifles manufactured by, in my eyes, both fantastic, able people. In terms of technology, yes, they're nearly thirty years apart. However, would that thirty year timespan not just apply to the electronic technology? Has technology in terms of barrels, rifling and pellets moved on that much? Personally, although ground breaking, I'm not keen on the idea of electronics in air rifles, as I'd rather stay away from batteries and charging. If you took the electronics element out, are the rifles that much different, regardless of being thirty years apart? At this years Shooting Show 2024, I felt a tension inbetween the manufacturers and public. The public wanted new kit, new ideas, designs and mindsets. We have now, springers as good as pcp's. Pcp's are putting pellet on pellet, and because some folk find this boring, are returning to springers as they want more of a challenge. I'm not sure. I'd be a manufacturer now? I don't know now, where the manufacturers can go now, as I see our technology now, as good as it can get. Even though we have thirty years inbetween these two fantastic air rifles, was the scope of technology there to be vastly improved? Did we not have it then? I just feel we have two teams of fantastic air rifle engineers here, genius in their craft, who did the best they could at the time, producing what they did. Air rifle electronics and charging batteries beforehand doesn't appeal to me. However, the same air rifles are manufactured without electronics, so they'd be what I would be interested in personally. I hope I've made sense here and not dug myself a hole. I just think in thirty years it's easy to think something should be better, though did we not have most of that technology then, anyway? Is it not just the electronics that's new? Thank you, Ian.
Ye to be fair Ian accuracy wise not much has improved if you ask me just i think the rifles look a tad nicer in some cases and feel lighter if its a pcp may be now we get more shots but ye hitting the target no difference, but being honest its almost the same with the center fire rifle not much really has changed over the last 50 years i think.
Hey👋Simon, yes i love ALL of your videos especially when JackO makes an appearance😄. But i gotta say I'm ready for crow and magpie shoot'n!!!😂👍👍take care my friend and give ole JackO a pat on his head for me. Jay🕊🕊🕊
Ye Roger to be fair i just think the 22 pellet is better in wind because at the same distance inside at our gun club the Rapid still has the edge but there's not much in it so i have to put it down to the calibre in wind as after i did another 4 groups with the Red wolf and they were all the same, that day it just wouldn't group in them conditions to be honest.
The Red wolf just won't shoot slugs Adam for some reason and trust me i have tried them all but the Rapid shoots H/Ns into almost half inch at 100 yards in good conditions.
Hello Again Simon, Are you shooting with the wind's direction? Or across? If cross wind, then still excellent groups. I respect your fine marksmanship and expert assessment of wind drift and correction calibration. Dave in USA
That wind didnt help, i got same thing, 2008 AA extra .22 vs Wildcat 25 mk3 both FAC. AA old and unregged, power curve, Wildcat Regged, but having a choice which i use, is difficult. enjoyed the video, and you a very good shot,Simon
Do you weigh your pellets Simon? When I had my gun it shot everywhere until I started weighing pellets and found heavy and light pellets. After that I was very happy. Keep smilin
I've got a mk2 rapid , .177 sub 12 demolished many a pest problem with it , all the current crop I've got or had including a red wolf just don't cut corn compared to my rapid , not to mention I can replace every o ring in my rapid in 20 minutes... food for thought
My Rapid 7 mk1 22 FAC 000092 made in 1990 , a bombproof tack driver and I would'nt swap it for anything else THEE best air rifles ever made.Great shooting again Simon. P.S. If you have a Rapid , do you need another air rifle?
@@simon6ppc246 Ditto🌝 I always wanted a .22lr, but living in Belfast was a no no , finally got 1 after 40years CZ452 another tack driver @ 100yds. All the best Simon, love the vids mate
Interesting video. I have a Daystate regal 30ft pounds . Unfortunately it’s no match for my BSA R10 that I had before. It’s been back to Daystate twice . But still not as accurate as I would like or it should be . Done me home work with all the best pallets
Ye fair enough Michael i won't lie i do like that Red wolf but i to have had it back to Daystate i think now 4 times and it is sorted now but i have to be honest and its not in the same world as my Rapid 7 end off no matter what folk will say.
I have Hades in 2. 25. and 30 cals. None of my guns shoot them as well as std JSB pellets, though all are quite good. To be honest though, I only shoot pellets much anymore in my AA S510 22. The others shoot slugs just as well, so I take advantage of them. The Rapid does very well, especially considering the wind there. I couldn't hear what you said- is the Rapid non regulated or regulated? I know the old rule has always been pellets at around 850-880 for best accuracy, but I get as good, or better accuracy shooting them at 940-970...............at 75 yards. Tried many combinations to see, and if anything, my groups might even be a bit tighter at the faster speeds. I did most of the testing before switching over to slugs. Great to see jack in this one. 🙂 BTW, my 25 is an FX DL, and it likes the 33.95 MK II's best of all pellets tried. Your Red Wolf is a nicer gun and it has the power to push them at meaningful speeds. Try them. You may find they are tack drivers for you as well.It stacks them on top of each other at 75 yards. Not everything new is better IMO.
The .25 Hades are not great in wind , try JSB 34gr heavies in .25 and you will find the groups are very good . .22 will be affected less in wind due to the smaller surface area.. Be good to repeat Si with these …
Definitely mate, I've got a .25cal fac rapid mk1 and it's amazing will do pretty much 1 hole at 50yards and about 1.5 inch at 100yards , it's just silly, get boys with fx saying smack about my old rifle until I show them the groups at 100 yards that is 😂, I regularly take rabbits at 150yards pretty easy
I know what you mean Edward i can't really write on here how much my Rapid has kicked ass over the years and it really has, i always say its a gift from the gods.
Ya know Ian in life lots of people tell lies and some times what i say sounds like lies but its the truth, i had the Rapid on slugs a few month back using a 21 grain H/N and i put it against my mates Impact 3 at 100 yards and the Rapid shot the best group, because i speak the truth out at 150 yards the impact won just because of its sheer power but ye 100 yards that day any way the Rapid beat it but didn't do further out. The Impact was doing i think 75ftlb with i think 36 grain slugs
@@simon6ppc246 I believe what you are saying, I remember using the rapid fac (super 7) on a few occasions and did the job well but I wasn’t as analytical then as I am now. I used to do more sales of the sub12 rapid as well as the falcon and others. Would love to test the super 7 out again and get it in the sweet spot and compare to my M3, watching your test, it grouped really well and in that wind too. I was into my springers but decided to treat myself when the m3 came out. It’s endless tinkering and can spend a lot on extras but all part of it now it seems.
@@iantcroft Ye i to want an Impact 3 to just tinker with and find the sweet spot as i do love messing with rifles, who knows one day and to honest i do like that Red wolf but its never done what i thought it would do and that's beat that old Rapid.
🤣🤣🤣 I have an Air Arms S510 running at 32 ft lb and the odd person says, "don't you fancy an FX" or a "this" or a "that" and I just look at the ragged one hole group at 30 meters and say... how can I justify it! It'll snap Dandelion stems at 30 meters; just how much more accurate is it possible to be? Ok, It'll only give 25 full power shots before it begins to drop off, but how often do you take more than 25 shots when out hunting anyway? If it ain't broke, don't fix it 👍
Ye to be fair i have thought the same about that rapid for the last 25 years but i did take the bait and bought that Red wolf and to be fair for the money ............ say no more
Knowing your barrels twist rate is key for gun accuracy... to find the best pellet for your gun, try experimenting with different pellets, fire into something soft so as to be able to retrieve the pellets. Your looking for 3 things on the rifle grooving, if the grooves are in line on the head and skirt they are no good (not much spin)/ if the grooves on the head and skirt are way out of line with each other, no good (too much spin) / if the grooves are slightly off from being in line/ left or right of each other (depending on your guns rotational twist) then you may have found the perfect pellet for your particular gun. Pellet length can make a big difference/ try a shorter or longer length pellet. Hope this helps/ maybe make a video of it and share your findings. :) Enjoyed watching the vid .
When we are stuck at a draconian 12ftlb my 40yr old webley Vulcan does just as well as a fx impact at 35yrds so to me all these new pcp are an expensive waste of money
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Rapids are legendary. Still shooting lights out after all these years.
100% pal with out a doubt
The Rapid 7 = Goat! 💪
Great to see Jack working as your spotter. This proves technology is not all that its cracked up to be. Great grouping for the wind conditions, actually amazing. Stay Safe!!!!
Thank you Peter and much appreciated pal
My rapids are lovely Airrifles wish they were still around today
Ye was a crime they finished pal.
Great video! I’ve never had any luck with the Hades past 40 yards , stick with the Diabolos for long distances, especially in windy conditions! Thumbs up on all your videos!! Keep ‘em coming
Ye Robert i tried the Diabolos first and they were worse to be honest so i did the test with the best one it shot.
My experience with the Hades is they don't like the wind. Might want to repeat this test on a calm day.
You're an awesome shooter. Thanks for the comparison. When you find a firearm/airgun that just fits you well, discover the ammo/power combo it performs best with, stick with what works. Newer just doesn't mean better automatically.
Ye don't i know this pal.
Both best of British Simon but that rapid is the dogs danglers. They will always be the benchmark too follow in my eyes.thought the twenty five would have been better in the wind though. Interesting all the same keep up the good work si
Ye Stephen i actually shot another 3 or 4 groups after with the .25 but didn't put it in the video and to be fair it just couldn't cope in that wind like the .22 did that day.
Hello Jack. So good to see you again.
As for the rifle, just because it's old, doesn't mean it doesn't work.
That's what I tell my wife anyway.
Lol good thinking DED 😂👍
My Mk2 Theoben Rapid is .22 and is also a tack driver, up until a year ago i was still getting Ben from Theoben to service it, they were way ahead of their time in development, had mine from new still shoots as good as the day i bought it. Great shooting Si that wind sounded strong on the video.
Thanks Matt ye the wind was stupid to be fair but it was just a day testing which i didn't really plan to film but i did so thought i might as well edit it lol
@@simon6ppc246 i think it was a good educational video that gives everyone an insight into different calibres and how the wind affects their groups and trajectory’s, good stuff.👍🏻
Love all your Videos Simon Great as always good honest test thanks simon
Thanks Paul much appreciated pal.
Interesting feedback for us 'none shooters' ! Glad to see Jack and thanks for the video 👍🏴
Cheers mate.
Hi Simon . The Theoben guns were ahead of their day. Ben Taylor did a lot of work in the early days with FX, he designed the early smooth twist barrel, FX magazine were based on the rapid mags. I owned two mk2 fac guns over the years and yes there were tack drivers. Stupidity sold both as you do, the biggest down side was having to remove the bottle to fill it which meant a new O ring most of the time. All that said the Rapid is a great gun, if you can find one that hasn’t been ‘fiddled’ with buy it. Good stuff Simon.
Tooo right pal, mine has been in bits lots of times but in all fairness still shoots like the day i bought it over 25 years ago.
I absolutely love my Rapid mk1 and my SLR98 even though they're both sub 12 versions.
Hades' head design hasn't performed well for me over 50yds. With identical weight pellets in 1-3mph wind, the standard Diabolo dome head JSB's are outstanding. (.22) Thank you for the great videos, your presentation is right on the mark.
Cheers pal , ye that day the Red Wolf was kind of sulking and didn't just seem to be at its best but what happened did happen.
Great video as ever. Got an old, 2nd hand Titan Manitou in 22 cal from before they turned into Falcon. Got it in about 98 and always stayed my go-to rabbit rifle. Slightly updated with a target style stock and one of those 3d type computer generated butt hooks, but all the same, a cracking rifle that never fails....sometimes simplicity over technology, the bare mechanics work so well, and a slight bit of homework and skill! Great to see the old wing man with you as ever, definite trooper. Look forward to next upload. 😊
Thank you Matt
I had very same gun..f.a.c at 28ft lb.hawke nite eye 6.5x20x50.scope.tried every pellet possible,stuck with bisley magnums in the end.happy hunting.👍
@@stephendicks3239 Ah Busley magnums, cracking pellets but the cost of is getting silly. Happy hunting to you 👍😉
Good honest vid Simon .i have the safari in 22 hell of a rifle . Glad to see jack still on the go .atb mate
Ye Phil the 22 i really believe shoot well, mine actually does shoot well just that day in that wind didn't in all fairness.
Great shooting in spite of that wind
Nice to see Jack there with you.
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Thanks Keith.
Great review Simon
Thanks Janice
Ive got an old falcon fn19 thats never had the seals done, absolutely nothing but abit of TLC and it shoots spot on every time. I honestly think its shoots just as good as my fx wilcat.
Ye may be pal, don't get me wrong the new rifles of today are brilliant just in my eyes no more accurate than some of the old ones using pellets that is.
Your right .22 is still king, it’s better in the wind than .25 for sure (at same speed)
Bit like .17hmr is better in the wind than .22lr but people won’t have it 😂.
That was a brilliant video would love to see more of this type of vid 👍
Ye it sure is Sam with out a doubt.
oohhh wow, its been a while since iv watched a vid of yours and to see your Jack still keeping you right is a bonus
Lol cheers pal.
Thanks for posting Simon
Thanks Dirk
Nice one I was so impressed with my rapid 7 was gutted wen it got stolen it was the first bottle gun I saw and is still up with the best today a classic thanks for the memory jog
Ye John i remember first shooting one and thinking you can't bloody miss with this lol.
So true I went from a webly tracker to the rapid 7 and Ithought I was the best shot around but sadly it was mostly the rifle
Incredible video, I too shoot a mk1 rapid in .22 running at 29ftlbs
I shoot 16 grain AA field. It’s a tac driver but I’ve never shoot it past 60 yards. It’s coming out tomorrow for a squirrel job so I think I’ll give it a try. It’s my primary rabbit gun even over my .17 hmr
Top stuff.
Ye Buck i to use the 16 grain AA,s in this but that day i used the 18 grain JSBs
@@simon6ppc246 have you pushed the AA out to to 80 yards? Also what scope Is on it please?
Hi our simon rapid is number one for me simon i lv them both 👍👍simon its bang on the mark the way it sounds and the look of it amazing my friend i do think the redwolf amazing to i would lv to own them bothe simon for me its got to be the rapied bro i just lv it thank you so much for your time to do the testing i injoyed that .hi there our jack nice to see you out with your master look after our simon you both are a tresher please be safe and lv out to you both and family 👍👍god🙏bless and we see you both soon 👏👏happy pestcontrol my friend🤣
Thanks Darren.
Well simion the wind was not helping you mate love your videos cheers mate 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Thanks Kevin it was only a bit of fun to be fair.
Great to hear this . I'm a massive Theoben fan . I have 2 Rapids my 30fp one is so accurate. Get rid of the moden crap
Lol well ye.
Hi Simon the rapid is a great bit of kit its so easy to strip down to work on one bolt clamp to remove barrel so so accurate will even out perform the steyr all the best fred.
Ye i believe it will Fred with out a doubt.
Great comparison on the two rifles I've heard from different people that the Hades pellets tend to have a problem at longer distances as far as accuracy. Good to see Jack out with you you guys make a great team. Cheers brother
Thank Donald ye i to hear this but that Red wolf shoots the Hades the best out the 2, infact i am gonna do a part 2 to this vid using the same pellet in each rifle but on a calm day i think.
@@simon6ppc246 I do like the Hades it sure does a number on pests. And I've got 5 different rifles.
That is some real good shooting, That wind is crazy . Be safe.
Thanks Bill ye i actually edited the sound down with the wind and ye it was bad day to test to be honest but its all fun.
Still got mine in .22 sub 12lb bought in the 90s still using it the only mod is a quick fill and new Hawke scope love it 😍
Ye nice one pal.
So glad I've got my TTR. Very special rifles. I prefer the bolt action to another.
Again, very good stuff, Simon. I think you may be right about the velocity-wind-resistance differences between the two. I hope you can retest them side-by-side on a calmer day, just for the halibut. Still, wind-resistance is part of the formula for accurate shooting, and if there is something about the .25 that makes it inherently less accurate than the .22, it'd be worth knowing. Give Jack a big "at-a-boy" from me, plus a doggy treat.
Thanks Brian and to be fair out the wind the rapid just has the edge but in the wind it wins by a mile so the 22 deff seems to be the best cal out the two i think.
Newer might not always mean better lol thanks for sharing and awesome shooting.
Tooo right pal.
The Rapid probably has an English made hammer forged barrel Simon. Great to see Jack all the best
Ye pal it could be a Walther but i bought it second hand so not 100% to be honest
Hiya bud another good video I think it's more the pellet difference I recently bought a BSA ULTRA SE Tactical in 25 only sub12 but iv noticed in testing pellets that the hades always has a lower point of impact they are a good pellet but I do think that they have their flaws
Ye pal it was only fun to be fair.
Had a 2022 red wolf safari and that was a powerhouse !
Ye the Safari had an hart barrel i think pal and was in a different league to the Red wolf.
Had mine 20 years lol decided to put best fittings quick fill and new bottle on and had nowt but trouble with it, put the old battle back on shoots great, so as the saying goes if it ain’t broke don’t fix it ha ha
Well ye Russ, my quick fill has been ok to be honest.
Great shooting mate
Cheers pal.
I totally agree with you, I owned an fac rapid 7 with a tyralian stock and it was a fabulous rifle, as it happens it was made about 10 miles from my home. I am also in agreement with you about the .25 catching more wind. I swapped the .25 and have gone back to the .22 using slugs and it is as good in fac as it can be, although not a tac driver.nice to see the comparison though, thanks
Ye the first time i used that .25 when i bought it it did shoot well but i just noticed at distance it soon lost it in the wind where as the Rapid seemed not to.
@@simon6ppc246 As a fellow rifle shooter like yourself we understand that a heavy bullet copes better in the wind but obviously not so with pellets, do you have a theory to why that is? It would be interesting if you did the same test with the air rifles only this time using slugs in a side wind.
Neat stuff! 😀
Thank Nath.
Thanks for the comparison Simon 👍. Nice to see you and Jack together 🙏. Sorry that you're angry on TH-cam. Cheers 🙏🇨🇦.
Lol cheers Max i suppose i was angry in a nice way 😂👍
Absolutely agree, different calibers handle wind differently. And New vs Old is not always all it is cracked up to be. My best 22LR bench gun is a 1962 model Anschutz. My 2017 Anschutz cannot compare at all with it. And the trigger on the 2017 is supposed to be a better model... Not always obvious when you need to pick a winner!! But the proof is in the holes!!!
100% LP you are right pal.
Its nice see a bit off your kit
Yep the old Rapid lol
Top shot!
Cheers Eric.
The Rapids were solidly made right first time. I've still got a few. My .22 is playing up a bit accuracy wise at the mo. I went to the dark side for a .25 M3, accurate and adjustable but handling wise give me a rapid.
Ye if i be honest i was gonna swap this Rapid for a impact 3 but i just can't pal.
@@simon6ppc246 No keep the rapid mate , the impact is great for its accuracy adjustability and potential power , but works best as a static gun. I was torn between the impact and the crown.
@@stillair1 Ye me to i fancy the Crown 2 in .22 cal but can it honestly out perform a Rapid and i really mean this
@@simon6ppc246 Your rapids working well, if it ain't broke as the saying goes. The main advantage of the fx's as I see it is the external adjustment on the reg and hammer. I went with the m3 over the crown as its still compact with a long barrel and if I ever wanted to go down the slug route( unlikely as I have .22lr) it has the power capacity over the crown. ATB Neil
Hi Simon no shame on the rapids i had a 20 and a 17 sorry i parted with them the only thing i disliked about them was having to screw the bottle of to fill i sorted that by getting filler valves put in the end of the bottle problem sorted nice to see you both out again ATB
Ye i fitted a quick fill to mine Stephen around 8 years ago and its been quite good to be fair.
I Had a rapid in the 90s. I remember looking at it & thinking it was like something from outerspace. I dont think im wrong in saying it transform the airgun world.
Ye i remember when i first ever shot one at our gun club and i thought this is cheating as the pellet just went exactly where the cross air was lol
@@simon6ppc246 I honestly don't think airguns have come on a great deal more than the rapid.
@@stevenlord782 Shot count, looks triggers and such may have Steven but accuracy no way
I have 3 rapid variations, they are superb, easy to work on and very accurate. Up against our Fx dreamline they're holding there own. 😊
100% Glyn with out a doubt.
Love the rapid, had two
Too right Stephen.
😎👍
Big thumbs up for the channel...
I've shot pump up and break over air rifles...
Never anything of this quality...
Thank you Okie.
Such a legendary rifle the rapid, and would put most modern air rifles to shame even now mate
Ya know Jim you are 100% right pal, only a month back when i had it on slugs it put an Impact 3 to shame at 100 yards but i won't lie the Impact beat it further out as the Rapid just doesn't have the power but was still impressive.
@simon6ppc246 that maybe so Si but how often would you really use an air rifle past 100 yards when there are so factors to consider. Nevertheless the rapid 7 is an iconic air rifle and always will be mate. Great video mate 👍
I’d take the Rapid all day long Si. I thought before you started it would be the better of the two. Your is in lovely condition 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Eddie ye your right its gets me mad really how accurate that old rifle is, in fact its a joke.
They where built to be special, and they are! Don’t ever part with the Rapid Si.
I don't think any rifle will out do the rapid in my eyes. Love my rapid7 and defo a keeper
It's tough to accurately test outside with windy conditions, better to do that on an indoor range.
I would expect tighter grouping at 80 yards (75ish meters).
Pellet choice the most accurate for those rifle?
At the moment I have around 17 different types of pellets lying around.
I even noticed difference between batches of pellets, when ever I am almost out of them I buy 1 tin of JSB exact and test it, if it groups I take note of the batch number and buy 10 tins of them.
Some barrels want batch A and some want batch B so I always have a rifle that groups good with them.
And I am one of this people that takes a scale and weights the pellets if i want to test or shoot a competition at 100 meters.
Ye i to ty all different types Johan and that day i used the best i had for both rifles it was only a bit of fun but i was just shocked how well the 22 shot in the wind.
Simon, I always enjoy your varminting videos and am very impressed by your shooting skill. I am an avid airgunner and I'm sure you know that the Hades pellet is not known to be particularly accurate beyond 50-60 yds. The JSB King 25.39gr and/or 33.95gr domed pellets are reportedly better at long ranges. I have a 65FPE .25 Gauntlet that actually shoots slugs very well. As I'm sure you know, the slugs have a much better BC that shoot flatter and drift much less in the wind. I've made kills beyond 150yds with this rifle shooting NSA 29gr HP slugs.
Ye i tried the 25 kings after pal and they were just the same if not worse i should have put it all in the video to be fair but thought it would have been boring for every one to watch, and to be fair that red wolf won't shoot slugs and trust me i spent a year trying every one on the market, the rapid shoots H/N slugs awesome it can almost half inch at 100 yards on the day.
I would also expect tack driving accuracy from that rifle. For the price you are right to be angry about it. I think I'd be looking to the factory for a better barrel.
Great video Simon. Just wondering how much the mental game of being comfortable with the rifle comes into play. I know I'm super confident in my 2002 .177 sub12ftb Daystate Mk3.
Ye Paul i think we all kind of like and have our favourites rifles and i love that Red wolf to be fair but when i put it against the rapid i get mad how much better the rapid always is even though others think its like a set up.
I used to own a .25 FAC Redwolf, it could not group the heavier 33.95g jsb but loved the lighter 25g jsb exact and it also shot alot of slugs well. I think if you had a well tuned .22 Redwolf against your Rapid then it would probably of faired better....but saying that, the Rapid is one hell of a rifle, still doing it after all these years.
Ye Paul i do agree with what you say just what kind of makes me laugh is that a 2019 standard Red wolf is highly tunned compared to that 1996 Rapid so even a standard state of the art Red wolf should really beat a standard 1996 Rapid but you are right.
But it does say alot for the ballistics of the .22 in FAC, excellent accuracy in that wind.
Rapid had a great reputation when it first came it's still a great one ...
It has David you are right.
😎🤗saludos mr simon y mr jack muy interesante comparacion de rifles aun que la diferencia no es significativa si se nota pasado los 50mts siempre es un agrado ver sus videos
Thanks again Carlos.
Hi Simon,
Thank you for your video involving these two super air rifles. My comment comes with great respect, as you, and most of your viewers will be more experienced than I am, seen and lived through more. That in mind, I'd like to raise just a couple of points here, please?
You have here, two fantastic air rifles manufactured by, in my eyes, both fantastic, able people. In terms of technology, yes, they're nearly thirty years apart.
However, would that thirty year timespan not just apply to the electronic technology?
Has technology in terms of barrels, rifling and pellets moved on that much? Personally, although ground breaking, I'm not keen on the idea of electronics in air rifles, as I'd rather stay away from batteries and charging. If you took the electronics element out, are the rifles that much different, regardless of being thirty years apart?
At this years Shooting Show 2024, I felt a tension inbetween the manufacturers and public. The public wanted new kit, new ideas, designs and mindsets.
We have now, springers as good as pcp's. Pcp's are putting pellet on pellet, and because some folk find this boring, are returning to springers as they want more of a challenge. I'm not sure. I'd be a manufacturer now?
I don't know now, where the manufacturers can go now, as I see our technology now, as good as it can get. Even though we have thirty years inbetween these two fantastic air rifles, was the scope of technology there to be vastly improved? Did we not have it then?
I just feel we have two teams of fantastic air rifle engineers here, genius in their craft, who did the best they could at the time, producing what they did.
Air rifle electronics and charging batteries beforehand doesn't appeal to me. However, the same air rifles are manufactured without electronics, so they'd be what I would be interested in personally.
I hope I've made sense here and not dug myself a hole. I just think in thirty years it's easy to think something should be better, though did we not have most of that technology then, anyway?
Is it not just the electronics that's new? Thank you, Ian.
Ye to be fair Ian accuracy wise not much has improved if you ask me just i think the rifles look a tad nicer in some cases and feel lighter if its a pcp may be now we get more shots but ye hitting the target no difference, but being honest its almost the same with the center fire rifle not much really has changed over the last 50 years i think.
Hey👋Simon, yes i love ALL of your videos especially when JackO makes an appearance😄. But i gotta say I'm ready for crow and magpie shoot'n!!!😂👍👍take care my friend and give ole JackO a pat on his head for me.
Jay🕊🕊🕊
Lol cheers Silver, to be honest its been foggy here every time i can go on the crows so i have been put back at the moment
If I spent that kind of money, I would go with a slug liner and slugs.
Ye Gerald slugs are brilliant with out a doubt
i see the same results between my normal jsb's and the hades. in .22 as well in .25. the hades are less accurate. both are great pellets though.
Ye 100% pal.
Good video as ever buddy , surprised the RedWolf didn’t group better mind ?
Ye Roger to be fair i just think the 22 pellet is better in wind because at the same distance inside at our gun club the Rapid still has the edge but there's not much in it so i have to put it down to the calibre in wind as after i did another 4 groups with the Red wolf and they were all the same, that day it just wouldn't group in them conditions to be honest.
have u tryed h&n slugs threw your red wolf? the slugs cut the wind better with less drifting love the videos 👍
The Red wolf just won't shoot slugs Adam for some reason and trust me i have tried them all but the Rapid shoots H/Ns into almost half inch at 100 yards in good conditions.
Hello Again Simon, Are you shooting with the wind's direction? Or across? If cross wind, then still excellent groups. I respect your fine marksmanship and expert assessment of wind drift and correction calibration. Dave in USA
Hyia Dave it was a cross wind pal and very strong more than what you see in the video to be fair but its all fun pal,
Should have picked a 37ft lb weihrauch hw100 instead of the daystate,I have one and it's replaced my rimfire it's so good out to 140+yds
Very nice
this one should have been barries simon this vid must have been the easiest to make and defo one of the best
Lol cheers pal.
That wind didnt help, i got same thing, 2008 AA extra .22 vs Wildcat 25 mk3 both FAC.
AA old and unregged, power curve, Wildcat Regged, but having a choice which i use, is difficult.
enjoyed the video, and you a very good shot,Simon
Thanks Alan ye that day the 22 just won hands down to be fair
Do you weigh your pellets Simon? When I had my gun it shot everywhere until I started weighing pellets and found heavy and light pellets. After that I was very happy. Keep smilin
No not really to be fair this was just a bit of fun with an old and new rifle to be honest.
Fun.
Thanks Gerald.
I've got a mk2 rapid , .177 sub 12 demolished many a pest problem with it , all the current crop I've got or had including a red wolf just don't cut corn compared to my rapid , not to mention I can replace every o ring in my rapid in 20 minutes... food for thought
Ye the Rapids are sent from the gods with out a doubt Phil.
OLD guns and OLD MEN RULE.
Well ye may be lol.
All so them ansultz barrels make a huge difference
That Barrel on that rifle Stephen is absolutely a tack driver honestly it even tack drives with slugs at any speed too.
Simon what do you use as the string bit for the wind and how do,you attach it
I actually use fine cotton which i tie flys with and just use insulation tape to fasten on pal lol.
My Rapid 7 mk1 22 FAC 000092 made in 1990 , a bombproof tack driver and I would'nt swap it for anything else
THEE best air rifles ever made.Great shooting again Simon.
P.S. If you have a Rapid , do you need another air rifle?
Thanks John and to be fair NOOOO i don't need another but as you can guess i just love playing with guns lol.
@@simon6ppc246 Ditto🌝
I always wanted a .22lr, but living in Belfast was a no no , finally got 1 after 40years CZ452 another tack driver @ 100yds.
All the best Simon, love the vids mate
Great shooting. What scopes are you using? Is it a Meopta ZD on the Rapid 7?
It is pal its an old scope i took off the 223 lol.
@@simon6ppc246 that’s awesome. I have the 4-16 version. Amazing glass.
Good old girl
Sure is pal.
Electronics is not replacement for craftsmanship and quality.
I see you brought your mate, spotter, retriever and all around buddy with you.
Yep sure did pal.
People will argue but I used to find it put pellets through the same hole
I think one of if not the best ever made Vannessar
Interesting video. I have a Daystate regal 30ft pounds . Unfortunately it’s no match for my BSA R10 that I had before. It’s been back to Daystate twice . But still not as accurate as I would like or it should be . Done me home work with all the best pallets
Ye fair enough Michael i won't lie i do like that Red wolf but i to have had it back to Daystate i think now 4 times and it is sorted now but i have to be honest and its not in the same world as my Rapid 7 end off no matter what folk will say.
@@simon6ppc246 yes that’s a shame . I love your videos. Say hi to jack 👍
@@simon6ppc246 yes that’s a shame . I love your videos. Say hi to jack 👍
Tough wind conditions
Ye it was Bruce.
I have Hades in 2. 25. and 30 cals. None of my guns shoot them as well as std JSB pellets, though all are quite good. To be honest though, I only shoot pellets much anymore in my AA S510 22. The others shoot slugs just as well, so I take advantage of them. The Rapid does very well, especially considering the wind there. I couldn't hear what you said- is the Rapid non regulated or regulated? I know the old rule has always been pellets at around 850-880 for best accuracy, but I get as good, or better accuracy shooting them at 940-970...............at 75 yards. Tried many combinations to see, and if anything, my groups might even be a bit tighter at the faster speeds. I did most of the testing before switching over to slugs. Great to see jack in this one. 🙂
BTW, my 25 is an FX DL, and it likes the 33.95 MK II's best of all pellets tried. Your Red Wolf is a nicer gun and it has the power to push them at meaningful speeds. Try them. You may find they are tack drivers for you as well.It stacks them on top of each other at 75 yards. Not everything new is better IMO.
Its not regulated Ridin and that Red wolf seems to shoot the diabolos worse to be fair so i used the pellets which shot the best that day.
@@simon6ppc246 Yep, like powder burners, air guns are a law unto themselves and each has it's own favorites.
Rapid. All day.....buil to last.....mine around same age as yours......just the godfather of air...
100% Bob with out a doubt
80yds in blustery windy conditions?
Tuned in scopes?
I would have waited for more consistent conditions!
If i had been shooting a comp i would have Harry but this was just a quick shoot out with two rifles in the same conditions just a bit of fun.
The .25 Hades are not great in wind , try JSB 34gr heavies in .25 and you will find the groups are very good . .22 will be affected less in wind due to the smaller surface area..
Be good to repeat Si with these …
Ye Ian i will do part 2 to this with the Red wolf using 25 kings but in calmer conditions
Definitely mate, I've got a .25cal fac rapid mk1 and it's amazing will do pretty much 1 hole at 50yards and about 1.5 inch at 100yards , it's just silly, get boys with fx saying smack about my old rifle until I show them the groups at 100 yards that is 😂, I regularly take rabbits at 150yards pretty easy
I know what you mean Edward i can't really write on here how much my Rapid has kicked ass over the years and it really has, i always say its a gift from the gods.
@@simon6ppc246 you tried shooting slugs out of it , my 25 love pro hunter 30 grain , and boys the accuracy is crazy 🤪
How does the fx Impact perform against the rapid?
I used to sell these rapids in the late 90s, wish I had got one for myself now!
Ya know Ian in life lots of people tell lies and some times what i say sounds like lies but its the truth, i had the Rapid on slugs a few month back using a 21 grain H/N and i put it against my mates Impact 3 at 100 yards and the Rapid shot the best group, because i speak the truth out at 150 yards the impact won just because of its sheer power but ye 100 yards that day any way the Rapid beat it but didn't do further out. The Impact was doing i think 75ftlb with i think 36 grain slugs
@@simon6ppc246
I believe what you are saying, I remember using the rapid fac (super 7) on a few occasions and did the job well but I wasn’t as analytical then as I am now. I used to do more sales of the sub12 rapid as well as the falcon and others.
Would love to test the super 7 out again and get it in the sweet spot and compare to my M3, watching your test, it grouped really well and in that wind too. I was into my springers but decided to treat myself when the m3 came out. It’s endless tinkering and can spend a lot on extras but all part of it now it seems.
@@iantcroft Ye i to want an Impact 3 to just tinker with and find the sweet spot as i do love messing with rifles, who knows one day and to honest i do like that Red wolf but its never done what i thought it would do and that's beat that old Rapid.
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Have you used an M3 fac yet, your mates one?
I've got a Rapid 12/200 sub 12 and a Rapid 7 .22 Fac, both shot as good as my Fx
Nice one mate ye they just shoot end off.
Is anyone actually really surprised at that result as I certainly wasn't.
Well ye your right Biffo
Sad day wen we lost theoben
Ye it sure was John for sure.
🤣🤣🤣 I have an Air Arms S510 running at 32 ft lb and the odd person says, "don't you fancy an FX" or a "this" or a "that" and I just look at the ragged one hole group at 30 meters and say... how can I justify it! It'll snap Dandelion stems at 30 meters; just how much more accurate is it possible to be?
Ok, It'll only give 25 full power shots before it begins to drop off, but how often do you take more than 25 shots when out hunting anyway?
If it ain't broke, don't fix it 👍
Ye to be fair i have thought the same about that rapid for the last 25 years but i did take the bait and bought that Red wolf and to be fair for the money ............ say no more
Knowing your barrels twist rate is key for gun accuracy... to find the best pellet for your gun, try experimenting with different pellets, fire into something soft so as to be able to retrieve the pellets. Your looking for 3 things on the rifle grooving, if the grooves are in line on the head and skirt they are no good (not much spin)/ if the grooves on the head and skirt are way out of line with each other, no good (too much spin) / if the grooves are slightly off from being in line/ left or right of each other (depending on your guns rotational twist) then you may have found the perfect pellet for your particular gun. Pellet length can make a big difference/ try a shorter or longer length pellet. Hope this helps/ maybe make a video of it and share your findings. :) Enjoyed watching the vid .
Thanks Peter ye i might do pal.
My '96 mk1 is still deadly accurate. (as several hundred vermin have out)
100% pal
Rapid wiped the daystates arse😂
Well ye it got me mad to be fair
When we are stuck at a draconian 12ftlb my 40yr old webley Vulcan does just as well as a fx impact at 35yrds so to me all these new pcp are an expensive waste of money
May be pal.
😢I’m sorry but I’m thinking centerfire or rimfire both less money to get started.
Well ye but this was just a test Jay.
Progress is not always that good!
Well its good but i just think in this case its no more accurate.
Love jack me
Lol cheers John.
And the wolf was sliging heaver 26 gr should be more stable. Theoben all the way. 👍
Too right pal.