The CRAZIEST CONTROVERSY in East Carolina HISTORY
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2023
- During the 2002 college football season, the East Carolina Pirates played the Cincinnati Bearcats in a nationally televised game on the ESPN family of networks. However, the game caused such an uproar that high schools all across the state started banning ECU from coming to them and recruiting their student-athletes. This is the crazy story behind East Carolina's feud with, quite literally, the entire state of North Carolina, and the NCHSAA
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Grew up in Eastern NC. Played FB. C/O 2003. I know exactly what this story is without watching the whole video. ENC is a bigger high school football hotbed than you’d think. It’s very literally the only thing going on Friday nights. Sellouts were common. If WRAL in Raleigh sent its helicopter to the game for its highlight show, it would be standing-room only. This was a BFD. But I get why ECU wanted that. They were unusual in that their games only ever aired on a local NBC affiliate.
I'm 100% on the side of ECU here.
IKR? That was some 2020s SJW-level tantrum throwing. And apparently even nature knew ECU was in the right and did something about it!
JG8 videos on back to back days?!
Hells yeah!!!
Oh Stop the Madness!
Go Pirates! Mike Houston is gonna have ECU ranked in no time .
TBH- 90% of the high schools in the state are not playing at point in the season so seeing a local college playing isn't the worse thing in the world. Now if a HS playoff game was scheduled to be played at ECU for some reason & they kicking them out to play a fairly meaningless college game, then the NC High School association could be upset.
I thought that was the problem... like I remember Rutgers hosted regional state high school finals when I was still going (as did Giants Stadium) so that a regional state championship would be moved or bumped. This is petty..
Scenario: ECU is the only I-A school (or heck, I-A school in North Carolina) to offer you a scholarship. Will your high school coaches still insist, “No: go to Davidson?” If this banishment made any coach THAT petty, then go Pirates! Absolute crock.
Oklahoma used to hold championship games at college venues, primarily Oklahoma State but some Jenks-Union championship games were played at Tulsa. Nowadays all championship games are played in Edmond at UCO whose Division 2 season usually is over by then.
There is no meaningless college football game 😂.
I'm 100% on the side of ECU
🤔 but then how could the high schools play on Saturday and Monday? Those are college football and NFL days
Also, were the Ohio high school playoffs going on? Because then Cincinnati would've been interfering with them by playing.
Lose-Lose situation for ECU
Glad these coaches care more about their power trip than their kids’ futures. ECU has helped A LOT of kids down east to develop as players and young men, and Steve Logan was a fantastic mentor to many student athletes (this concept actually existed at the time) in the area.
Thanks in part to these idiots and their egos, power trips, and lack of perspective, Logan was shown the door and the ghastly John Thompson era began. I hope these hs coaches, glorified gym teachers, are proud of themselves for destroying a program that all of eastern NC could be proud of in the name of their petty tantrum. Nice legacy.
It's worse than that. Logan was never a major college football head coach again after that season. You can argue that the NC high school tantrum got him blackballed.
ECU is a business. High schools get in line!
In the book “Sole Influence” Dan Wetzel and Don Yaeger said ACC Men’s Basketball coaches had a handshake agreement to not recruit from the controversial Mt Zion Christian Academy in Durham, NC. The book came out a few years after Mt Zion’s most known player, Tracy McGrady, turned pro right out of the high school.
I don't understand the controversy here. Nobody cares to watch a high school playoff game unless it's their kid's school playing. And nobody's going out of their way to watch the worst ECU team in a decade play their last game of the season unless they happen to be hardcore ECU fans. So what's the overlap of those two groups? Maybe a dozen people?
Attendance was 18,000 for the Bearcats-ECU game.
I tried to mitigate this situation the best I could. As I am ECU alumni, and Chuck Knox ( Assistant AD of the North Carolina High School Athletic Association) worked out with me in a gym in Chapel Hill, we discussed this with a lot of emotion. They blamed ECU for scheduling the game. I blamed ESPN. I thought my comments had merit. Charlie Adams ( North Carolina High School Athletic Association AD) is ECU alumni, standout basketball player and a member of the North Carolina Hall of Fame. I was stunned by what they did. If UNC scheduled a Friday night basketball game on ESPN, no one would say anything.
East Carolina lost to Southern Miss in the 2001 game that was played on Black Friday, starting at 11am ET 28-21. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_East_Carolina_Pirates_football_team
That Williamston coach was a complete hypocrite. First he says to not hold it against Steve Logan, but hold it against Steve Logan anyway by banning recruiters. Then after even nature saw how ridiculous the high schools were acting and intervened, he suddenly decides to just forget the whole thing? SMH.
He makes me ashamed to be from Williamston. Smh
And then a few years later he took a job with ECU football as HS recruiting coordinator or relations.
And Harold Robinson took a job with ECU football a few years later as a HS relations director. Such a jerk.
Can you post a full game of East Carolina at Duke?
I don't understand the high school's position here. Would people who would otherwise go see a high school playoff game not go because of a garbage East Carolina team playing on Friday? That seems.... unlikely.
That's what I was thinking. If I was going to a HS football game, my plans aren't changing for a meaningless College game.
It’s about the recruiting aspect of the playoffs. That’s when the best players are on the same field at the same time. In a time before social media those every College in the state would be represented at these late round games. That’s the kids best opportunity to be seen in a time before social media.
While ECU had a bad year, at the time they were one of the 3 big name football programs in the state. So yeah it’s a big deal when your local D1 team doesn’t show up for a playoff game, it’s tells the recruits you aren’t interested 🤷🏻♂️ Obviously things have changed 20 years later
@@nickh9632 This is a fair point. Although, I would suspect, if ECU was serious about recruiting local kids, those games would be recorded. They probably are already.
The bottomline is East Carolina had CUSA / ESPN dictate what was going to happen. It was funny because not too many years later, you had the ACC programs playing on Friday nights occasionally and not a word was said.
Plus, the game was being played on December 6th! Hardly anyone playing at that point.....
Ahh fresh upload.
The argument was ridiculous on a number of levels. The head of the North Carolina High School Athletic Association was Charlie Adams, who is in the East Carolina Athletics Hall of Fame.
The Friday night game vs Cincinnati.....as TV games are now.....was dictated by Conference USA contract with ESPN.
Also, it was the first Friday of December so it was deep in the playoffs AND even if it wasn't as many folks have said it likely wouldn't have impacted attendance significantly anyway.
Rest assured, if it was North Carolina, NOTHING like that would have happened.
If you're high-school was playing that Friday. There was no conflict, you were going to you're high-school playoff game. It hurt ecu's gate/attendance if anything
Purple!!!
I'm still not sure why the high schools are so pissed. They just sound petty. Most schools aren't even playing and most people don't care unless their local school is playing.
Am I missing something here?
UNC and NC State (whose graduates hold 90% of the non-governmental power in the state) don't like the fact that ECU exist. It dates back to the... contentious... foundation of ECU's medical school.
Relations between the 3 schools were so bad at one point that on the Athletics side, the NC Legislature passed a bill where UNC and NC State must play ECU at least once a decade.
Only that the best teams in the state were playing, as it was the playoffs. So those schools being the maddest and they have the players you want the most. The NCHSAA stood behind those schools and everyone else fell in line.
Well ECU had some of its best years from about 2010-2015 so. Apparently it didn’t matter
I think this was much more about broadcasters moving college games to Friday night. It was a battle the high schools would not win.
That game was just as cold as the last time we played the Bearcats in Rowdy Dowdy.
Not one time in this video or in any of the comments did I hear or read that this Cincinnati at ECU game literally decided the C-USA championship. With the Bearcats win over ECU in this game they became co CUSA champions with TCU. Cincy beat TCU head to head that season so Cincinnati basically were the conference champions by themselves. Despite this TCU got the Liberty Bowl bid that went to the champion and Cincinnati was relegated to the lowly New Orleans Bowl.
OJG8 made it seem like every high school in the state banned ECU recruiters when in fact it was only three. THREE! I guess none of the rest had the guts. Probably a good thing since they would've looked like idiots before the weekend was done.
Harold Robinson had so much pull he ended up being the Director of HS recruits (something like that) after he retired from Williamston.
It sounds like the high schools were being whiny prats. I get that high school football is huge in certain places, but ECU had literally gone out of their way for years to accommodate the HS football season. They can handle one night.
This is the silliest "controversy" I have ever heard in my life. Think about being a kid on one of those football teams and ECU wants to give you an offer, and the NCHSAA prohibits that because they cant see you play. Those schools may have been directly responsible for prohibiting a kid to go play college ball and get a scholarship! It's even more asinine considering today there is a FBS game being played literally every Friday (MAC, CUSA, etc). Just ridiculous
All bec high schools wanted to make a little more money. Sounds about right for NC High School Football. How many fans were the hosting teams expecting to not come do to the terrible ecu team that year. SMH. Also this boycott could have and probably did prevent some kids from getting scholorships. What coach would do that, to not help his kid go further.
Are the HS games televised? If not a fraction of people could see the games anyway. Not a big deal. If someone had a big check for a HS game to change dates, you bet it would be swapped in a second.
Before this game, ECU had its games on WITN (Inner Banks' NBC affiliate) and its game at West Virginia on ESPN Plus (original BIG EAST syndication; not to be confused with streamer ESPN+). FOX Sports Net Florida (now Bally Sports Florida) aired its home game vs. my USF Bulls here in Florida. The way the C-USA TV deal was structured, I can see why ECU wanted to be on ESPN in that case. It hadn't been on national TV all season and needed the TV revenue. Thank goodness the college football TV landscape is so much different over 2 decades later so this wouldn't be an issue today. All FBS members get some linear TV exposure in the current climate and that's a great thing.
At 4:29 I see that Bowling Green was ranked 25th. All had to do with their coach.
Lol yeah one of the worst NFL coaches ever 😂 😂
My USF Bulls beat the mess out of BG that season. We won 29-7 and it wasn't even THAT close.
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11:38 hell with both of them should have shown us idc we got first rounded but blue and gold looks better than green and gold and black and red go East
Tarlie Adam’s fault.
Was the ban against ECU ever officially rescinded? I hope it was, because if they hadn't, it's a possibility that the NCAA would have gotten involved, effectively telling the NCHSAA that if they didn't let ECU recruit from their schools again, then they would recommend that all of its member universities not recruit from the state of North Carolina. Do you think it would ever go that far?
It was... I don't think it was ever officially imposed, as they've had plenty of NC Players over the years, including the year or 2 after this.
I'm from eastern NC born and raised, even ecu alumni. You do not get ecu games televised outside of local networks compared to unc or NC state even considering ecu has historically been the better football school in the state.
Yeah UNC only has a good basketball program which makes sense why they are on TV but NC State they aren't that great..
The American Athletic Conference has a solid TV deal and we have many games on ESPN stations on linear TV and the very least ESPN+.
All of our football games are on ESPN. What are you talking about?
@@runrafarunthebestintheworld 23 national titles in soccer across both genders, 7 wrestling titles and 10 field hockey titles say otherwise, and those titles are just a small example of the total titles UNC have won, please do research before you speak.
@@tarheelenigma also UNC vs Duke still gets ratings no matter what sport they play. I heard they usually push each other during soccer matches too.
And it's not the craziest story. UNC became adversarial when Dr Jenkins successfully launched East Carolina University's Medical School. They didn't agree to splitting Federal and State funding. Dr Jenkins showcased the University's quest for a medical school by pushing the football program into national recognition. UNC wanted to stop scheduling East Carolina , and it took intervention by the NC State Legislature to restore scheduling. These contest have been the best I've seen in college football and a treasure for North Carolina.
You know. I wonder how many times you ended up saying NCAA and not NCHSAA 😜. Cause I'm having trouble saying one, and not the other.
NCHSAA is so long.
So u put up all bad videos of ECU? Do you need medical assistance?
If it's semifinals weekend, and there were 8 divisions, that's only 32 schools playing. Considering every division started with 32 teams, and those were just the ones that made the playoffs (I looked up the NCHSAA 2002 Football Playoffs). I'm gonna say ECU did the sensible thing, and NCHSAA overreacted.
Sadly, and the reality of it... NCHSAA way overblown this. Listen, if anyone is planning on going to the state playoffs games... they are going.. local college game or not. and sadly, with ECU playing that badly, it may have actually chased more to the playoffs anyway.. not to mention.. I if I want to watch both... well, the ESPN game can be recorded on VCR or now DVR.. I laugh that the HS games got weathered out meaning if they didn't move the game, it would have interferred more... and by banning the recruiting.. they are hurting the players more than the school... they'll just go out of state for their recruiting. How many players might miss a chance for college football because of that. Players, that were sitting home on that day because their teams were already eliminated.
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Why the hell was ESPN was so needy about putting a couple of mediocre G5 teams on a Friday night in December anyway? Hell there was probably some good college basketball they could have put on, and this was the night that Shaq/Kobe came back from 30 down to beat Dirk and Steve Nash (also with Nick Van Exel) so who gave a shit anyway?
ABC did that with Wazzu/UCLA but at least Jason Gesser was a legit Heisman candidate (until injuring his leg in the Apple Cup) and that ended up being for the Rose Bowl for the Cougs (which Mike Price fucked up by leaving for Strippers of the South but that's for another vid that you can learn more about by clicking the card in the upper right hand corner).
BTW JG how did you not mention David Garrard in ECU's dropoff? Although I guess you sort of did indirectly
ESPN probably needed to fulfill its contractual obligations with C-USA and maximize the game's exposure. ESPN might have needed to meet the minimum number of C-USA games by that point.
Nobody ever heard of G5 back then. ECU and Cincinnati were just independent powers trying to keep up with the rest of the big boys.
Mother Nature and unforseen circumstances spared ECU that weekend. Imagine with their current struggles the chances ECU would still even be an FBS team today should they have to pull high school kids from outside their state knowing in many cases they would probably be below the 3rd choice of many of these recruits.
Eh, it wouldn't of hurt ECU's football too much, based on the recruiting practices of successive head coaches after Steve Logan.
Most of the other coaches, while having some local talent, focused most of their efforts in recruiting the 3 star recruits out of state which whom were passed over by even the small programs in their home state.
What FCS team gets minimum 40k fans a game every year. Come on man. ECU is many levels above becoming a FCS program.