It's the best-looking M3 ever made IMO. It's also the most criminally underrated M car ever. Yes, the very first models were very spiky on a damp road, but the Competition and especially the CS version made it so much more tied down, and frankly, better. It's a better all-around car than the E90 M3 IMO, and the M4 GTS... One of the best M cars in a decade.
A man who can really drive properly, and who has driven pretty much every car worth driving loves the car and enjoys it...but internet race drivers (most of them without a drivers licence of course) call it bad and point out all kinds of negatives about it (without ever coming close to the actual car of course)...how hilarious.
fuckoffgoogle He usually breaks his videos in 3 parts: Normal street driving, circuit time attack, then drifting (covering all driving bases). People who buy these cars may not drift them everywhere, but they like the fact their car is capable of doing it. Make sense? Plus Chris Harris actually has professional racing experience he can do it all
fuckoffgoogle You did see the first part of the video where Chris drives the M3 on open roads? All in all, you don't burn / waste more rubber on a M3 than on an AWD-car with that amount of power. Yeah, the rear tires get it hard. On an AWD-car you burn the rear tires less but you burn your front tires, too. Not a real comparison but I had an E39 M5 a couple of years ago. Not turbocharged but very capable of drifting. And you know what? If you don't go nuts the tires were not an issue at all. BUT: If you want to go nuts from time to time and still want to have daily-use-capabilities, there's no better car than an RWD M-car.
Chris Harris. The only motoring journalist who knows what he's talking about. I'd buy a car, that he rates, without driving it myself....I trust him that much
I think Chris(t) Harris is the only car presenter who could do this whole separation from a channel and make his own (for free?) and still make everything work.
Chris, your descriptions are incredibly precise, articulated, and well-balanced with both pros and cons with EVERY car and just great journalism. On top of that the man can drive so really the best reporter out there bar none. Motor Trend or one of the American mags, if they want a shot in the arm... they hire this guy.
Finally got my F80 M3 in, in Mineral Gray/Sakhir Orange interior. The car is a MONSTER, in a complete other league from my 335is coupe. Still in the break-in stage, but this car is powerful! Love your videos Chris!
I did similar, pulled the trigger on a 2017 m4 coupe with low kms last week. Looking forward to finally have one. I love the BMW straight 6s, having previous drove a e92 335i and more recently the m140i. I tried the c43 amgs and Audi s5 coupe, just didn’t connect with either of those cars.
@@deesee76 nice one! Yeah I've wanted an M car for so long. I have a f30 328i as a daily and when my Subaru WRX STi was written off in a crash last year I knew I'd get a m3. Glad I got the CS model, it's the best of the F80 M3's 👍🏽
@@raaj85 I wish I could find a F82 CS model so I dont have to go aftermarket for some of that lovely CS crackle and pops. If only they made a f82 with xDrive…. Love the look of the F8x series, classic design.
@@deesee76 yeah you'd have to get a G series for x drive but the F series is so much more fun (and lighter) without it. I'm so happy with my M3 CS. They are quite rare in Australia. Only 30 came here
+Dashcam Videos on a more serious note, I've found that driving a BMW isn't always about skill but more so about how much you enjoy your car for what it is, doesn't have to be an M3. Just have fun with it. Chris was having fun with it and pushing his limits. That's what I mean by how you drive an M3. It's the ultimate driving machine.
As an owner of a 2018 m3 competion pack I love this car. I've just had all new exhaust from the turbos back and new charge pipes and coolers. I love it
Why do people whine so much about the sound? It's a very good sounding car by any standard. I dare you to drive it and say "it sounds bad". Also...why does nobody on the internet (it doesn't matter, those people can't and won't buy it anyway) realize the point of this car? This is not a track car, or a race car. This is sporty luxury saloon car. This M3, and the current generation of the M5, are EXACTLY what these cars are all about. A combination of a luxury car that can be used every day, for every possible imaginable purpose, that looks tasteful but aggressive enough, that has a comfortable and luxurious interior, but can also be a sports car, that can be driven hard fun on THE ROAD (where 99% of these cars will spend 99% of their time) and driven very quickly on THE ROAD while remaining civilized. This is not a track car. Do you people realize the difference between a race track and a road? Do you realize how much different the setup of a car has to be in order to extract everything out of it on a track? Cars are set up for roads that have bumps, camber changes, surface changes, elevation changes, etc. Not for smooth tracks with a perfect surface and dry tarmac. The point of this car is to be comfortable, refined, luxurious AND sporty at the same time, and that requiers certain sacrifices. You have to get the balance right, and BMW did it. If the car was any softer overall, it would be too soft and too close to the regular 3 series. If it was any harder, it would be too uncomfortable on the road. If you want a track car, but a Cayman S, not a 4 door family sedan. There's no point in taking a family sedan and turning it into a hardcore stripped out race car, it's very inefficient and franky a waste of time.
That amount of torque is on par with BMW's own 3 litre diesel. . .but with petrol fuel instead. That kind of engineering is simply incredible, bearing in mind BMW has a reputation of building damned torquey diesels.
I just want to say that the E90 M3 V8 engine is a masterpiece. I always liked non aspirated engines but that V8 is something else. I had the pleasure of drive a 4door for a few kms and just starting it, and the way it just revs... made my day, week, month even. Pleasure over performance any day. And... it doesn't lack performance, maybe by the new one standards, ok fine but I know what my choice would be. V8 for life ;-)
funny how GM are "claiming' that the ats v will "destroy" this machine! No offense GM but the ATS V will be in recalls before it even comes out of the factory!
Chriss harris is one of my biggest inspirations. He brings energy fun and interactive feeling to you the viewer. Makes you feel like you're a part of the action and that why i do my car show with so much viger and enthusiasm. Cars just bring this out in me and on-screen it show. I love it💗 LET'S ROLL OUT people👏👏👏👏
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So good to see you enjoying the roads in my beautiful country!
Awesome! Harris's own channel! Subscribed! Best part of the video he licks the car! LOL. The M3/M4 is phenomenal. Drove it at Advanced M School at VIR. Great performer and very fun all out on the track. Learned there that the M3/M4 are virtually identical and perform identically so if you need a coupe or 4 door you don't lose either way.
M4 Comp - still the best and most enjoyable car I have owned. Looked gorgeous and stylishly aggressive. Fighter jet driving dynamics yet fine as a DD. Still miss it, even in my F90.
I know a turbo M3 is odd but why not! BMW always stayed away from turbocharging because back then NA motors were much smoother to drive, the old straight 6 motors were lovely & do sound great. These twin turbo setups have come a long way & appear pretty fine tuned compared to your average old school high pressure single turbo whop in the guts/wheels. As long as the motor retains its driveability but is making more power im all for it, IMHO this is still in the "M" spirit. The lack of tuneful NA sounds is a bit of a blow, I think this has always been a large part of the M3 although I personally also like the different character a turbo gives to an engine. On the plus side, some simple bolt on mods & mild tuning would likely turn it into a pretty raucous thing.
That is a great car. I mean al M3s are special, it's the purpose of an M3, but this one damn that's the M3 we want. And for once the saloon is better than the coupé !
I’ve had some Bimmers: E30 325is (couldn’t afford e30 M3 at the time) M3’s in e36, e46, now F80. All since new. Miss the e36 the most. But F80 is the best of them all, proper motor, proper Bimmer gauges and an actual clutch, perfect amount of horsepower and torque, amazing balance, great everyday usability.
It's still hilarious to me that people talk more about the sound the car makes rather than what the car does. As many times as I've watched this review, it still never gets old. Chris' reaction to the monster drifts on the circuit is still funny as hell.
It only has one major problem. And it goes by the name CTS-V. Supercharged LT-4 making somewhere around 650bhp and the only trannsmission faster than the PDK is going to be tough to beat. Can't wait for you to review that car. Maybe even a head to head? Would like to see ATS-V Coupe versus M4, CTS-V Sedan versus M3
Chris Harris on Cars Chris, you mentioned that there is a "technical stuff" video about the M3 tech, where is this video? I couldn't find it on your channel. Great review as usual, by the way. And I'm not sure why people still moan about manual gearboxes in 2014. These gearboxes are awesome, especially this DCT. I for one prefer a dual clutch over a manual any day. I also prefer this 4 door M3 sedan this time round. I think it's better looking than the 3 door M4 coupe, unlike the previous generation where the 3 door M3 coupe was better looking than the 4 door sedan M3. All my opinions, obviously.
First of all, DCT is completely unnecessary if you aren't already a professional driver. DCT buys you faster shift times, but it doesn't buy you track skill. The only thing that gives you track skill is first-hand experience, such as learning cornering, throttle control, left-foot braking, taming oversteer but minimizing understeer. Race car drivers already mastered racing etiquette, so their lap times are consistent. If they want to improve their already-consistent lap times, that's where the technical things come into play, such as quick gearboxes (whether single or dual clutch), tires, camber and suspension geometry. However, on the street, the DCT gearbox is completely useless. Most of the F30/F80 M3/M4 buyers are only marginally better than the average driver (if not the same or worse). Without a doubt, plenty M3/M4 owners are going to autocross or track their car, but they're going to perform so poorly (compared to experienced racers) that the DCT gearbox didn't help them, they actually needed track skills more than faster shift times. Once you're able to get record-setting, consistent lap times with a manual car, then you have a legitimate reason to desire a DCT. Second of all, people who opt for the DCT gearbox claim "its faster on the track" and its "racing technology"... but if you wanted a "fast race car" why are you buying a 3,500 lb. car with heated leather seats and Bluetooth controls? If you want to be a racer, at least do it right and get something that weighs less than 3,000 lbs. such as a Porsche 911 . The only advantage of DCT on the street is that you can beat your friends in a drag race. But drag races on the street are stupid because the next traffic light is going to turn red and you're going to end up right next to him.
Daniel Mirzotti Porsche 911...that has all those things you listed, one wouldn't want in a race car. But remember the point of ///M cars, good on track, good on the road and can take the family in. Good luck with that in your GT3, GT3 RS, GT2 or GT2 RS...
Bujf vjg Which 911 are you talking about? I'm referring to 911's like 996 GT3, 964 RS America, 993 C2, etc. Very trackable cars. I've personally got a 87 3.2 Carrera and I autocross it regularly, great track car. Stripped out, bucket seats with 4-point harness, lightweight, handles well, has good tires on it, and good suspension too.
Daniel Mirzotti I LOVED the tea-tray's on the old 911 Turbos. But yeah, the M3 and M5 have always been able on track, like the 911 but with added ability of hauling 4 people and some luggage. I'm not saying I don't like the 911, I'd have one if I could but I would also have an M car to use when I need the space.
Daniel Mirzotti And you think you're a "racer" because you drive a 911, which is still a road car? You're a fool. And since you're so high and mighty, know that real racers drive race cars, not road cars. The new M3 is the best in years, DCT or not.
The thing I never hear on youtube about cars is why manufacturers make a car a certain way. With previous M3's the only way to get cheap good power was to turbocharge, which is what alot of car guys did. Now the new one is factory turbo making it easier to modify. Nissan built the rb26 strong so it could be modified easily same as the Toyota with the 2jz. The 86 was made to be fully worked thus within a couple of years it laps Tsukuba circuit in 58odd seconds, the Mines gtr was 57. The ultimate test of a car is on track stock and modified for the price.
Chris Harris, I just want to say a huge THANK YOU for you to say a "f*ck you" to \Drive and start this all-new, totally free chanel. You rock, dude. Cheers from Brazil!
"I'm going to go and lick it" Bahahahaa God I love this guy lets hope he stays at top gear and does some more stuff like this on it stop trying to keep the old format as the grand tour is around and you won't pull it off but stuff like this would be awesome!
Idk if you guys know this, but watching reviews of OWNERS, an M3 does sound like a diesel with all the clattering noises from a COLD START. Once it warms up tho, it sounds like this one in the video. Sounds like a humble raspy revving noise.
Chris Harris on Cars you would take one with the DCT over the 6spd manual? I know it's an amazing gearbox, surely faster, but have they made it so good you would prefer one to a standard 6spd for your own car?
The first M3 in a long time to have an "ordinary" engine. I think that's a problem. The m3 six's in the 90s and early 00s were as well thought of as any engine on sale, and the last v8 was spectacular, although sadly it was in a heavy car. Shame in my book - the hint of exotic was the whole point. Now it's just a fast saloon. Competency is trumped by occasion every time.
What's so ordinary about a 430 hp i6? With a lot of tuning potential to boot? Got back from track in my m3 and this thing turns better than any m3 before it not to mention a great useable torque curve. And what's so special about a motor that's a v8 with no torque and internal design flaws(rod bearings/crankshaft), But revs to the moon and sounds great? Yet BMW has never used the s85 or s65 in any type of competitive motorsports? Nothing exotic about that....
roy kwon You're clearly the sort of person who doesn't understand. Fine. The only thing history will judge an engine on is sound and feel. The power, the torque, that WILL be bettered with the next model, and the next, and the next. The e46 and e92 engines are as good as it will EVER get for BMW. They were as good an engine as was available at their respective times - you could have reasonably argued that the e46 '6 was better than ANY other engine on sale in 2000. You can't do that with the new car. It's not even slightly close. It's not about performance - performance is dictated by marketing. "It must be a bit faster, but not so fast as we can't release a new one in a few years". BMW could have made this current 6 with 800bhp - that's not beyond the realms of current technology. But a 340bhp, 3.2 6 from 15 years ago? Sure, there's always a bit of a safety margin, but with that you were buying the best BMW could make.
roy kwon What are you on about? The S85B50 came out of the F1 programme at the very end of the V10 era. The S65B40 has been in use in the United Sports Car Series (ALMS before it was called the USCS) for several years now as well. Not like the new S55 is used in motorsport at all... They're still using a bespoke V8 in the DTM M4. Face it, the previous E9x M3 was far more of an event to drive because of its engine and having to rev it out to extract that brilliantly entertaining performance. I personally thought the steering was excellent in the E90 I drove too. Sure, its heavier than its successor and ultimately not as capable but is that all cars have become nowadays? Not saying the F8x M3/4 isn't a hoot to drive but I simply don't think the character and exclusivity of the previous car is there anymore.
I get it, and there maybe some lost in translation here. I've never considered Bmw to be the ultimate drivers car and could really care less with how much they're involved with motor sports as long as they continue to make fast cars. If you want a car that makes every drive an event then go look at Porsche. I buy bmws for daily drivability and with the option to track when wanted. The chassis is an 3 series for gods sake. It's not a real sports car and never will be. Get on with it. I've blown my s54 on track and had an s85 with a bad oil analysis from bad rod bearings. The clearances were too tight and not enough lubrication was available. The only way to fix the issue was too machine the crank and get new bearings. And that's the case for every s54,s65,s85 ever made. Your mileage may vary but that was 2 for 2 for me. Apparently Bmw knew this issue and changed to a flat plane crank on their race blocks among other benefits. So yes, I'd much rather have a sporty motor than a half assed race "derived" motor that they have been marketing to us all this time. Besides the f80 chassis is a notch above an e46 or e90 in handling. Luckily for you guys the e46 and e90 cars are selling for a song and are in no short supply. So enjoy them if that's how you truly feel. I put my money where my mouth is
roy kwon Approach with low expectations and I guess you'll be satisfied with any old rubbish. The whole entire point of the m3 was to have your everyday 3 series, but with one of the finest, most exciting engines you could buy under the bonnet. All performance engines wear. You just bought a 330i (or 335i these days) if you wanted the fast, easy option. If you wanted the exciting, slightly exotic option which would of course require maintenance and would have higher running costs, you bought the m. The new m3/4 is just a run of the mill bmw. Fun for the 10 minutes a week you actually find time to drive it fast. An e46 was fun reversing off the driveway.
HAHA Superb driving, Sir. The F80 is very precise, you can take turns as precise as putting astring through a needle's eye. I play around with low torque efficiency mode, or throttling into place with Sports mode (Beast Mode). Safe moves to all.
I wonder how the new Alfa Romeo Giulia QV will compare to this and the other German super saloons... Interesting to see the Italian take on the matter.. 510 Hp with 50/50 weight distribution and an LSD sounds like a very potent combination :D Looking forward to your review Chris!
2020 and this car is still one of the best looking Ms of all time. Immortalized masterpiece
Watching this November 2020 - still true 🤟
It's the best-looking M3 ever made IMO. It's also the most criminally underrated M car ever. Yes, the very first models were very spiky on a damp road, but the Competition and especially the CS version made it so much more tied down, and frankly, better. It's a better all-around car than the E90 M3 IMO, and the M4 GTS... One of the best M cars in a decade.
Triggered e46 and e90 fanboys want to know your location
Meh, it's kinda boring to drive..
@@rebeltvr6046 it was about the looks .no one asked about the driving feel
A man who can really drive properly, and who has driven pretty much every car worth driving loves the car and enjoys it...but internet race drivers (most of them without a drivers licence of course) call it bad and point out all kinds of negatives about it (without ever coming close to the actual car of course)...how hilarious.
fuckoffgoogle He usually breaks his videos in 3 parts: Normal street driving, circuit time attack, then drifting (covering all driving bases). People who buy these cars may not drift them everywhere, but they like the fact their car is capable of doing it. Make sense? Plus Chris Harris actually has professional racing experience he can do it all
fuckoffgoogle You did see the first part of the video where Chris drives the M3 on open roads?
All in all, you don't burn / waste more rubber on a M3 than on an AWD-car with that amount of power. Yeah, the rear tires get it hard. On an AWD-car you burn the rear tires less but you burn your front tires, too.
Not a real comparison but I had an E39 M5 a couple of years ago. Not turbocharged but very capable of drifting. And you know what? If you don't go nuts the tires were not an issue at all.
BUT: If you want to go nuts from time to time and still want to have daily-use-capabilities, there's no better car than an RWD M-car.
derbigpr500 he pretty much likes every car he test drives
the Internet gives clueless idiots a voice. like the ones you see here by reading what's on their little minds
Fuckingoogle rs are quicker and better than s
Chris Harris. The only motoring journalist who knows what he's talking about. I'd buy a car, that he rates, without driving it myself....I trust him that much
Love how he repaints the white line at 4:01
9 years on…still a masterpiece
I think Chris(t) Harris is the only car presenter who could do this whole separation from a channel and make his own (for free?) and still make everything work.
Hands down , the best car reviewer
By the same token , let me say, never meet your heroes.
Just caught this video again 5 years after originally watching. This is why we like M cars, this is a why we love Chris Harris. Bravo.
I miss seeing new videos of Chris Harris :(
He tweeted recently that he will make more videos as soon as possible, he's just really busy with Top Gear.
his been too busy with the new top gear
He will do them after the top gear ends.
Me too :(
Did he die?
Chris, your descriptions are incredibly precise, articulated, and well-balanced with both pros and cons with EVERY car and just great journalism. On top of that the man can drive so really the best reporter out there bar none. Motor Trend or one of the American mags, if they want a shot in the arm... they hire this guy.
I wouldn't mind Chris hosting Top Gear.
Your dreams have just come true :D
This aged well :D
This aged well 😂❤
I just bought a 2016 m3 base dct in 2021. I'm still stoked about Chris Harris review
I decided for a M3 because of this video !!
same! love it
Same here it was this and the Living Life Fast Review of the f80
Same lol
As did I!
Have you had any problems with it?
Finally got my F80 M3 in, in Mineral Gray/Sakhir Orange interior. The car is a MONSTER, in a complete other league from my 335is coupe. Still in the break-in stage, but this car is powerful!
Love your videos Chris!
Watched this video when it first came out and again today all these years later as I'm going to pick up a 2018 BMW M3 CS tomorrow 👌🏽
I did similar, pulled the trigger on a 2017 m4 coupe with low kms last week. Looking forward to finally have one. I love the BMW straight 6s, having previous drove a e92 335i and more recently the m140i. I tried the c43 amgs and Audi s5 coupe, just didn’t connect with either of those cars.
@@deesee76 nice one! Yeah I've wanted an M car for so long. I have a f30 328i as a daily and when my Subaru WRX STi was written off in a crash last year I knew I'd get a m3. Glad I got the CS model, it's the best of the F80 M3's 👍🏽
@@raaj85 I wish I could find a F82 CS model so I dont have to go aftermarket for some of that lovely CS crackle and pops. If only they made a f82 with xDrive…. Love the look of the F8x series, classic design.
@@deesee76 yeah you'd have to get a G series for x drive but the F series is so much more fun (and lighter) without it. I'm so happy with my M3 CS. They are quite rare in Australia. Only 30 came here
Guess what me too I’m getting a frozen dark blue m3cs and can’t wait to learn how to drive it till one gets to Chris’s levels
That's how you drive an M3.
+Ogstevie but problem is how many people have his skill to drive the M3 like he does?
+Dashcam Videos i don't know, better get yourself one and start learning 😂😇
+Dashcam Videos on a more serious note, I've found that driving a BMW isn't always about skill but more so about how much you enjoy your car for what it is, doesn't have to be an M3. Just have fun with it. Chris was having fun with it and pushing his limits. That's what I mean by how you drive an M3. It's the ultimate driving machine.
As an owner of a 2018 m3 competion pack I love this car. I've just had all new exhaust from the turbos back and new charge pipes and coolers. I love it
Hows it to live with daily look at getting 1
Chris Harris,
Thank you for not making viewers pay for this channel. Your reviews were the only things I missed watching from the Drive channel.
Chris, please please please do some throwback e46 drive. Please.
I would love to see him drive the e46 M3 and Z4 M Coupe.
Ayrton Atif Yes the z4 M Coupe!!
couldn't agree more!
C'mon now Chris this request is really coming on apace now. I will donate my car, as long as you dont break it!
Yes, more E46 M3, we would love to hear your thoughts
I'm gonna buy one of these the coming spring and I am so extremely excited seeing how great they are
Did you get it?
Did you get it?
I had to wait one more year, but I got it last spring! @@williamstarinovich9697
I actually like the sound. I think it'll grow on people, kind of like how the E46 M3 did.
The e46 was miles away from this in terms of sound.
2024 and i still love looking at my 2016 F80.
2021 and I'm so glad I kept my 2018 F82 ZCP...still love driving it every day. If only Harris knew what the new generation car would look like...
Why do people whine so much about the sound? It's a very good sounding car by any standard. I dare you to drive it and say "it sounds bad". Also...why does nobody on the internet (it doesn't matter, those people can't and won't buy it anyway) realize the point of this car? This is not a track car, or a race car. This is sporty luxury saloon car. This M3, and the current generation of the M5, are EXACTLY what these cars are all about. A combination of a luxury car that can be used every day, for every possible imaginable purpose, that looks tasteful but aggressive enough, that has a comfortable and luxurious interior, but can also be a sports car, that can be driven hard fun on THE ROAD (where 99% of these cars will spend 99% of their time) and driven very quickly on THE ROAD while remaining civilized. This is not a track car. Do you people realize the difference between a race track and a road? Do you realize how much different the setup of a car has to be in order to extract everything out of it on a track? Cars are set up for roads that have bumps, camber changes, surface changes, elevation changes, etc. Not for smooth tracks with a perfect surface and dry tarmac. The point of this car is to be comfortable, refined, luxurious AND sporty at the same time, and that requiers certain sacrifices. You have to get the balance right, and BMW did it. If the car was any softer overall, it would be too soft and too close to the regular 3 series. If it was any harder, it would be too uncomfortable on the road.
If you want a track car, but a Cayman S, not a 4 door family sedan. There's no point in taking a family sedan and turning it into a hardcore stripped out race car, it's very inefficient and franky a waste of time.
Thank God for Chris's own channel!!
Thanks for beeing back Chris :)
That amount of torque is on par with BMW's own 3 litre diesel. . .but with petrol fuel instead. That kind of engineering is simply incredible, bearing in mind BMW has a reputation of building damned torquey diesels.
Turbo.
Yet people make fun of it
I just want to say that the E90 M3 V8 engine is a masterpiece. I always liked non aspirated engines but that V8 is something else. I had the pleasure of drive a 4door for a few kms and just starting it, and the way it just revs... made my day, week, month even.
Pleasure over performance any day. And... it doesn't lack performance, maybe by the new one standards, ok fine but I know what my choice would be. V8 for life ;-)
funny how GM are "claiming' that the ats v will "destroy" this machine! No offense GM but the ATS V will be in recalls before it even comes out of the factory!
I work for bm and they aren't unknown for recalls or "quality enhancements" as they are worded. Can't see GM making a good quality car tho
Recall thing kinda getting old..
LMAO exactly. GM has a 77% recall rate!
Just bought one , can't wait to collect it 😊
Thank you Chris for leaving drive!!! I've missed your vids for so long!!
How does one find out if a car is properly good. Stop at 8:50 , that's the sign.
if it puts a smile on your face, then u know it's a great car.
This video sold me. I can't drive like Chris but I still love mine.
Thanks for putting these video out again Chris!!! as always great work!
Cannot wait to see Chris Harris on TopGear... He's like a modern-day Jeremy Clarkson without the bullshit
I tested drive c63s and m3. Expert the sound, m3's everything almost better than c63s
Chriss harris is one of my biggest inspirations. He brings energy fun and interactive feeling to you the viewer. Makes you feel like you're a part of the action and that why i do my car show with so much viger and enthusiasm. Cars just bring this out in me and on-screen it show. I love it💗 LET'S ROLL OUT people👏👏👏👏
So good to see you enjoying the roads in my beautiful country!
June 2023 and still enjoy driving and staring at my 2016 Sakir Orange M3. Timeless design.
Awesome! Harris's own channel! Subscribed!
Best part of the video he licks the car! LOL.
The M3/M4 is phenomenal. Drove it at Advanced M School at VIR. Great performer and very fun all out on the track. Learned there that the M3/M4 are virtually identical and perform identically so if you need a coupe or 4 door you don't lose either way.
M4 Comp - still the best and most enjoyable car I have owned. Looked gorgeous and stylishly aggressive. Fighter jet driving dynamics yet fine as a DD. Still miss it, even in my F90.
Theyre half the price that they were brand new. So tempting, love this video. Basically, if Chris Harris likes it, you wont regret buying one lol
I know a turbo M3 is odd but why not! BMW always stayed away from turbocharging because back then NA motors were much smoother to drive, the old straight 6 motors were lovely & do sound great. These twin turbo setups have come a long way & appear pretty fine tuned compared to your average old school high pressure single turbo whop in the guts/wheels. As long as the motor retains its driveability but is making more power im all for it, IMHO this is still in the "M" spirit.
The lack of tuneful NA sounds is a bit of a blow, I think this has always been a large part of the M3 although I personally also like the different character a turbo gives to an engine.
On the plus side, some simple bolt on mods & mild tuning would likely turn it into a pretty raucous thing.
Phenomenal review! I love the way you highlighted the sheer capability of the car like no one else...not even motor trend drifted that much!
I miss my F80 ZCP. Thanks Chris, beautiful reminder! "Skid gear change"!
Fantastic car. What else do you ever need? Really !!
Great upload! BTW: The most hardcore BMW- M3 E46 CSL. Remember guys!
this is a proper review - best one of this M3 out there.
Oddly this is the first good review I've seen of this car. It's been ripped in every review. The EVO review I watched yesterday hated it.
I think listening to Chris go on while he's driving great cars is more fun than I would have if I were driving them myself.
It's an F80 M3!!! Excellent video!
The balance of the car!
Beautiful! Thank you Chris.
Is this Chris' official channel?! Goodness this is awesome if it is!
It is. And it is awesome! :)
2023, still my dream car for daily use
That is a great car. I mean al M3s are special, it's the purpose of an M3, but this one damn that's the M3 we want. And for once the saloon is better than the coupé !
Kaisuke971 e36 sedan m3 was better then the coupe... so no not first time lol
I can't find the other video with the BMW engineer....
Jonathan Gray This - I wanted to watch that :o
+Jonathan Gray Has there been a link about it?
+Jonathan Gray If someone stumbles upon it PLEASE POST IT
+Jonathan Gray the one from /drive with the bloke with long hair?
P.S. Did Chris did a review with the m4?
here just found it
th-cam.com/video/8CJ6IwVzV-A/w-d-xo.html
I’ve had some Bimmers:
E30 325is (couldn’t afford e30 M3 at the time) M3’s in e36, e46, now F80.
All since new.
Miss the e36 the most.
But F80 is the best of them all, proper motor, proper Bimmer gauges and an actual clutch, perfect amount of horsepower and torque, amazing balance, great everyday usability.
It's still hilarious to me that people talk more about the sound the car makes rather than what the car does. As many times as I've watched this review, it still never gets old. Chris' reaction to the monster drifts on the circuit is still funny as hell.
Most of the people who comment are fans of the older m cars .sadly they don't agree that a car isn't just the exhaust note
@@rohanalias9053 Those people are not "fans" and probably never owned a M car.
This guy has mastered drifting/ power sliding
Just removed adblock for this youtube channel, you deserve all the support you can get Chris! I encourage others using adblock to do the same.
I WANT THIS CAR, NOW!!
Thank you Chris!
ReticentIndignation go get one. its freaking amazing
What about the M2...really wanting that more, smaller size is nice.
I drove the F80 M3 on Saturday and had to walk away. it way 6 month old and had more rattles than a crèche! Absolute shocking interior build quality.
I love it when Chris makes this laugh deep from his heart. Like the one on the 8.49
It only has one major problem. And it goes by the name CTS-V. Supercharged LT-4 making somewhere around 650bhp and the only trannsmission faster than the PDK is going to be tough to beat. Can't wait for you to review that car. Maybe even a head to head?
Would like to see ATS-V Coupe versus M4, CTS-V Sedan versus M3
That is a beautifully specced M3
Chris Harris Kudos for bring ur videos up for free!
Chris Harris on Cars Chris, you mentioned that there is a "technical stuff" video about the M3 tech, where is this video? I couldn't find it on your channel.
Great review as usual, by the way.
And I'm not sure why people still moan about manual gearboxes in 2014. These gearboxes are awesome, especially this DCT. I for one prefer a dual clutch over a manual any day.
I also prefer this 4 door M3 sedan this time round. I think it's better looking than the 3 door M4 coupe, unlike the previous generation where the 3 door M3 coupe was better looking than the 4 door sedan M3. All my opinions, obviously.
First of all, DCT is completely unnecessary if you aren't already a professional driver. DCT buys you faster shift times, but it doesn't buy you track skill. The only thing that gives you track skill is first-hand experience, such as learning cornering, throttle control, left-foot braking, taming oversteer but minimizing understeer. Race car drivers already mastered racing etiquette, so their lap times are consistent. If they want to improve their already-consistent lap times, that's where the technical things come into play, such as quick gearboxes (whether single or dual clutch), tires, camber and suspension geometry.
However, on the street, the DCT gearbox is completely useless. Most of the F30/F80 M3/M4 buyers are only marginally better than the average driver (if not the same or worse). Without a doubt, plenty M3/M4 owners are going to autocross or track their car, but they're going to perform so poorly (compared to experienced racers) that the DCT gearbox didn't help them, they actually needed track skills more than faster shift times. Once you're able to get record-setting, consistent lap times with a manual car, then you have a legitimate reason to desire a DCT.
Second of all, people who opt for the DCT gearbox claim "its faster on the track" and its "racing technology"... but if you wanted a "fast race car" why are you buying a 3,500 lb. car with heated leather seats and Bluetooth controls? If you want to be a racer, at least do it right and get something that weighs less than 3,000 lbs. such as a Porsche 911 .
The only advantage of DCT on the street is that you can beat your friends in a drag race. But drag races on the street are stupid because the next traffic light is going to turn red and you're going to end up right next to him.
Daniel Mirzotti Porsche 911...that has all those things you listed, one wouldn't want in a race car. But remember the point of ///M cars, good on track, good on the road and can take the family in. Good luck with that in your GT3, GT3 RS, GT2 or GT2 RS...
Bujf vjg
Which 911 are you talking about? I'm referring to 911's like 996 GT3, 964 RS America, 993 C2, etc. Very trackable cars. I've personally got a 87 3.2 Carrera and I autocross it regularly, great track car. Stripped out, bucket seats with 4-point harness, lightweight, handles well, has good tires on it, and good suspension too.
Daniel Mirzotti I LOVED the tea-tray's on the old 911 Turbos. But yeah, the M3 and M5 have always been able on track, like the 911 but with added ability of hauling 4 people and some luggage. I'm not saying I don't like the 911, I'd have one if I could but I would also have an M car to use when I need the space.
Daniel Mirzotti And you think you're a "racer" because you drive a 911, which is still a road car? You're a fool. And since you're so high and mighty, know that real racers drive race cars, not road cars. The new M3 is the best in years, DCT or not.
"I'd like one of all of those" when looking at every M3 generation really is the epitome statement for any motoring enthusiast.
the patience paid off
I've had one for 2 years now love it 6spd fun of course
David F Dct better
He spanks the crap out of a car but with amazingly mechanical sympathy. Legend driver status.
Chris. I really beg you to do a shot on an 91' Honda NSX. PLEASE. That car really deserves a treatment of your coverage.
Chis's excitment of this gen vs the g80 is pretty telling.
Thank u chris. I just smiled more than i have in a month
Thank you Chris!!!!
Im very surprised he doesn't like that E92 that much
After this the m3 styling took a massive downturn
The thing I never hear on youtube about cars is why manufacturers make a car a certain way. With previous M3's the only way to get cheap good power was to turbocharge, which is what alot of car guys did. Now the new one is factory turbo making it easier to modify. Nissan built the rb26 strong so it could be modified easily same as the Toyota with the 2jz. The 86 was made to be fully worked thus within a couple of years it laps Tsukuba circuit in 58odd seconds, the Mines gtr was 57.
The ultimate test of a car is on track stock and modified for the price.
Chris was having too much fun doing those drifts lol
M3 looks awesome but even better drifting with some tire smoke.
I was in 2 minds about this car but this is the car for me getting it very soon
Better than porn!
Bought my 2016 m3 3 months ago! Great car!
Bravo dear boy! Bravo. More of this please sir!
Chris Harris, I just want to say a huge THANK YOU for you to say a "f*ck you" to \Drive and start this all-new, totally free chanel. You rock, dude. Cheers from Brazil!
Just bought one mainly because of this video!
Portuguese roads and portuguese track! It's not the first time that he is on Portugal to test a car, i'm glad to be portuguese
"I'm going to go and lick it" Bahahahaa God I love this guy lets hope he stays at top gear and does some more stuff like this on it stop trying to keep the old format as the grand tour is around and you won't pull it off but stuff like this would be awesome!
WHERE IS THE TECH VIDEO?
+18iser they had it under the pay channel for drive+ before chris made his own channel
where do I find the other video of the engineer explaining the modifications?
For me 335D sounds very good!
Idk if you guys know this, but watching reviews of OWNERS, an M3 does sound like a diesel with all the clattering noises from a COLD START. Once it warms up tho, it sounds like this one in the video. Sounds like a humble raspy revving noise.
So, Chris Harris, would you take the DCT instead the manual gearbox? (I mean for "common" use, not for circuit racing).
Great Video! But where's the one, with the BMW Engineer explaining the car? Couldn't find it
Chris Harris on Cars you would take one with the DCT over the 6spd manual? I know it's an amazing gearbox, surely faster, but have they made it so good you would prefer one to a standard 6spd for your own car?
One of my dream cars in 2022 still relevant
The first M3 in a long time to have an "ordinary" engine. I think that's a problem. The m3 six's in the 90s and early 00s were as well thought of as any engine on sale, and the last v8 was spectacular, although sadly it was in a heavy car.
Shame in my book - the hint of exotic was the whole point. Now it's just a fast saloon. Competency is trumped by occasion every time.
What's so ordinary about a 430 hp i6? With a lot of tuning potential to boot? Got back from track in my m3 and this thing turns better than any m3 before it not to mention a great useable torque curve.
And what's so special about a motor that's a v8 with no torque and internal design flaws(rod bearings/crankshaft), But revs to the moon and sounds great? Yet BMW has never used the s85 or s65 in any type of competitive motorsports? Nothing exotic about that....
roy kwon You're clearly the sort of person who doesn't understand. Fine.
The only thing history will judge an engine on is sound and feel. The power, the torque, that WILL be bettered with the next model, and the next, and the next. The e46 and e92 engines are as good as it will EVER get for BMW. They were as good an engine as was available at their respective times - you could have reasonably argued that the e46 '6 was better than ANY other engine on sale in 2000. You can't do that with the new car. It's not even slightly close.
It's not about performance - performance is dictated by marketing. "It must be a bit faster, but not so fast as we can't release a new one in a few years". BMW could have made this current 6 with 800bhp - that's not beyond the realms of current technology. But a 340bhp, 3.2 6 from 15 years ago? Sure, there's always a bit of a safety margin, but with that you were buying the best BMW could make.
roy kwon What are you on about? The S85B50 came out of the F1 programme at the very end of the V10 era. The S65B40 has been in use in the United Sports Car Series (ALMS before it was called the USCS) for several years now as well. Not like the new S55 is used in motorsport at all... They're still using a bespoke V8 in the DTM M4.
Face it, the previous E9x M3 was far more of an event to drive because of its engine and having to rev it out to extract that brilliantly entertaining performance. I personally thought the steering was excellent in the E90 I drove too. Sure, its heavier than its successor and ultimately not as capable but is that all cars have become nowadays? Not saying the F8x M3/4 isn't a hoot to drive but I simply don't think the character and exclusivity of the previous car is there anymore.
I get it, and there maybe some lost in translation here. I've never considered Bmw to be the ultimate drivers car and could really care less with how much they're involved with motor sports as long as they continue to make fast cars. If you want a car that makes every drive an event then go look at Porsche. I buy bmws for daily drivability and with the option to track when wanted. The chassis is an 3 series for gods sake. It's not a real sports car and never will be. Get on with it.
I've blown my s54 on track and had an s85 with a bad oil analysis from bad rod bearings. The clearances were too tight and not enough lubrication was available. The only way to fix the issue was too machine the crank and get new bearings. And that's the case for every s54,s65,s85 ever made. Your mileage may vary but that was 2 for 2 for me. Apparently Bmw knew this issue and changed to a flat plane crank on their race blocks among other benefits.
So yes, I'd much rather have a sporty motor than a half assed race "derived" motor that they have been marketing to us all this time. Besides the f80 chassis is a notch above an e46 or e90 in handling. Luckily for you guys the e46 and e90 cars are selling for a song and are in no short supply. So enjoy them if that's how you truly feel. I put my money where my mouth is
roy kwon Approach with low expectations and I guess you'll be satisfied with any old rubbish.
The whole entire point of the m3 was to have your everyday 3 series, but with one of the finest, most exciting engines you could buy under the bonnet. All performance engines wear. You just bought a 330i (or 335i these days) if you wanted the fast, easy option. If you wanted the exciting, slightly exotic option which would of course require maintenance and would have higher running costs, you bought the m.
The new m3/4 is just a run of the mill bmw. Fun for the 10 minutes a week you actually find time to drive it fast. An e46 was fun reversing off the driveway.
idk what it is about the F80 M3 but I truly am in love with these cars and used examples are foing for around $42,000 ... man oh man
HAHA Superb driving, Sir. The F80 is very precise, you can take turns as precise as putting astring through a needle's eye. I play around with low torque efficiency mode, or throttling into place with Sports mode (Beast Mode). Safe moves to all.
I wonder how the new Alfa Romeo Giulia QV will compare to this and the other German super saloons... Interesting to see the Italian take on the matter.. 510 Hp with 50/50 weight distribution and an LSD sounds like a very potent combination :D Looking forward to your review Chris!