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- Subaru is enjoying great growth in the US and the Legacy is their long running competitor to the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry. We take their latest Legacy on an extended Test Drive to talk about new tech, safety, success and failures.
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Just got my 2021 Legacy Touring XT yesterday. Its not perfect, but it does a couple of critical things just right. First and foremost, I can fit in it perfectly. I'm 6'3" with long legs and the thigh extension and power seats let me get completely comfortable - more so than any car I've ever been in. The exterior is kind of plain for a $36,000 car, but the interior is gorgeous, the Harmon - Kardon stereo is awesome and the safety suite is about as complete as it can be. Add in AWD, quiet ride and 18.5 gallon gas tank and its going to be the perfect road trip cruiser. Oh, and in this era of chip shortages and vehicle shortages I was still able to get a good deal below MSRP because everyone wants an SUV or truck, not a midsize sedan.
Thanks Jeff! I too am tall, 6'4" and do require/need to be accommodated. This matter to me the most.
@@edysinsimon8646 I didn't go for them, but the Kia K5 and Hyundai Sonata had even more legroom and were as easy to get in and out of as the Legacy.
@@jeffmorse645 sorry but a Kia and Hyundai should not even be in the comparison to a Subaru, Honda or Toyota. The only thing they have in common may be the size.
@@jackskelly6473 In retrospect I wish I'd gotten the Kia K5 GT-Line and saved $8,000 to $9,000 (and still fit comfortably).
@@jeffmorse645 Maybe if you lease it. The Kia and Hyundai will depreciate pretty quick and you definitely won't be passing it down to anyone.
I absolutely loved my 98 Impreza RS 2.5. Had it for 14 years from new and it never ever broke down and gave me smiles every time I drove it. Performed amazing in the snow of Pennsylvania and was a joy to own. Nowadays I’m totally turned off by anything CVT. I have two friends with Subarus with the CVT and one is on his second transmission and the other just suffered a catastrophic failure of his. I think they rob the vehicle of any sort of fun and performance and have serious reliability issues. I think an 8spd automatic and a 6MT would completely transform these cars imo
... Agree. Two cars for fun. The rest are bread and butter money makers catering to the 90th percentile car buyer...
I just traded in my 2022 Audi Q3 for the legacy. As much as I am against CVT, I am loving it so much. Very refined interior and really comfortable to drive comparing to the Audi. For car reviewers like you, there will never be a perfect car.
I agree that Subaru has replaced Volvo as the solidity and safety brand. They both have this image of being for people who are risk averse. Affordability and financial responsibility is another aspect that appeals to this type of buyer and that’s why Subaru is winning.
My 2011 legacy is bullet proof no issues at all. It runs the same the first time I drove it brand new. If you want to accelerate fast, switch it to manual mode, and everyone else will be left behind in a stop light. It’s not as fun as my 2017 STI, but it will bring you from point A to point B without any issues.
i have a 2011 legacy 3.6. Using the paddle shifters you can feel the wrx dna in it.
I have been listening to you guys for 8 plus years and I struggle to remember a time you have seemed so annoyed by a car. Hope your next Subaru is more enjoyable. Appreciate the honesty.
Trust me it is not boring at all!
Very interesting hearing these guys perspective. I really like the Legacy more than the competition, it’s good to hear non fanboys giving flowers while disliking on her aspects.
What the reviewers don't understand is that the subaru CVT actually learns the drivers tendencies. The CVT's on subarus are some of the best out there. If you want to race this car, and this car can run with the wrx on a straight, you use the paddle shifters. Consumers rate the Legacy a 5/5 in ride quality, 4/5 for cabin noise, 4/5 in front-seat comfort, 4/5 rear seat comfort, 4/5 in interior fit and finish, and 4/5 in trunk and cargo space in Torque News mag. Honda nor Mazda is better interior wise. Legacy is also quieter than those cars.
I agree on everything except for the interiors which IMO the legacy T XT is way superior with technology, amenities and leather quality without any shadow of doubt, only good luxury cars have nappa leather seats like these new subarus
I test drove this car. The salesperson turned the front defrost on. She did it so that the auto start/stop would not engage. I found out when I asked why the start/stop didn't engage. I read before driving that the system was abrupt and not a good system. So way to go Subaru sales!
You have a misinformed salesperson. You can go into the settings and turn it off if you wish. The system works fine. I enjoyed driving this car by myself. I insisted because of Covid. They agreed.
@@pault477 you’re right, but as far as I understand you have to do it every time you start the car. Unless there was a software update to allow permanently disabling it. It was a very nice car, but I wanted the faster engine. So I ended up with an Accord with the upgraded engine for quite a few thousand less. We have one AWD vehicle already, that would have been the only benefit that the Accord didn’t offer.
@@stevemanzov9317 I believe it is an EPA requirement. I did see I believe and on/off switch readily available on Home Screen.
@@pault477 You are correct. Latest software update puts the switch on the Home screen and instantly allows you to turn it off.
@@tisrich unfortunately you have to do that each time you drive the car.
So here we have 2 car testers complaining that a 260hp turbocharged car with a 0-60 in less than 7 seconds is “slow” because you need to use paddle shifters to get the most out of it.
Boy we need a recession.
I think subaru haven't forget the fun part. You can do some stupid stuff in the gravel or snow in this car. the car tends to understeer a little bit but mostly neutral and easy to control.
An update has moved the auto start/stop disable from deep in the menus to the home screen. Now you just reach over and turn it off as easy as any car's physical button on the dash.
The 2021 Legacy is both safe and fun to drive. How do these two define what is fun in driving a sedan? More horsepower? They drove the turbo and still complained about the lack of fun. If you enjoy a great smooth comfortable ride, great handling, very decent get up and go, and super steering wheel feel, then trust me this car is certainly fun to drive.
I agree big time with you, I have figured out that the competition must have invested their money to pay you tubers for placing bad reviews about Subaru while Subaru monopolized the TV commercials eheh But at the end of the day who understands about cars will buy the Legacy
@@adriano8809 Its obvious. These guys sell out. its easy to figure out how to drive these. Brain dead easy. And they act this stupid? For what? It will only damage them in the long run.
@@nhlmnop5999 I know, they went to pick the only “defect” (they don’t know how to drive it) that this car has and ignored all the pros that this car has compared to the competitors like handling, torque, drivability, safety, AWD, premium audio system Harman Kardon, Nappa leather, heated steering wheel, heated front and back seats, ventilated front seats, CD reader, huge trunk space, line departure control, auto hold break, etc.. etc.. and they said that there are many other cars instead of picking this one… or they are paid well or they don’t know nothing about cars.
LOVE THE SUBARU LEGACY-would like to have the Limited when my VW Lease is up😬
I’m not a fan of CVTs either my last four cars have had them and my current 2020 Legacy GT turbo has one. I have no idea what you’re talking about they’re all the same they all simulate shifts and my Subaru doesn’t search for gears any more than any other car I’ve had. Maybe take that one back and get another one there’s clearly something wrong with it. The car is not fun to drive? Learn how to drive it, turn off the nannies and it’s a lot of fun to drive.
Thanks for the review, I’m taking this car of my list of maybes.
A solid car that definitely makes you feels secure. A beautiful car and decently priced.
Guys summing your review hits the nail right on the head and that is why Subaru is so successful here in this country. Subaru sells legacy and outback for family’s and the majority of them only care about safety. You want fun and speed then get an STI. We chose the legacy because of things like, reverse automatic braking, steering wheel responsive headlights, rear ventilated disc, heated steering wheel and AWD. None of which available on the Accord. Oh and you can only get AWD on Altima and Camry’s base engines and have to pay extra. That’s called settle and I don’t want to settle. CVT only acts like a CVT under harsh acceleration, driving civilized and you won’t know it a CVT. I do agree with you on one thing though, yes some of the safety system are a bit aggressive for sure. Thanks for the review but we can agree to disagree.
When you pick a ratio does it shift automatically or do have to use the paddles to shift. I live in NV near Reno and am considering one of these for my wife.
2005 Legacy GT wagon was peak Legacy. I owned one back in the day. Awesome family car that was still fun for an enthusiast driver.
I still own my base model 2005 Legacy GT Wagon with a manual transmission that I bought in November 2004. Could have gotten a different car, haven't found a reason or replacement...but have added a Miata to the garage...
Sounds like a nice garage to be in...
@@TJDST4 Late reply, but I also owned an Miata when I had the LGT. Super fun for the money.
Excellent points about if you like to drive, you don't want interference from a gas mileage hunting CVT and safety systems. Does the the car's menu let you temporarily turn off those imposing systems? If I decide to buy another Subaru, the sale's person should demonstrate how to turn them off. My current Subaru Impressa's cruise control broke when I used it too much to control freeway speed. But now I'm more aware and a more engaged driver. My Subaru's all wheel drive really shines in a snowstorm so would prefer it in my next car. I'm looking at possibly a Toyota or Honda all wheel drive sedan to give me the same safe handling as the Impreza.
My favorite years of the legacy was 2005-2010 and it was the Legacy GT Limited
Some thoughts after buying my 2022 XT two months ago:
- The tranny "wobbles" in 15mph school zones. Maybe it will "learn" over time?
- I always disable the auto-stop when starting the car. I drive very little being retired and find it annoying. Doesn't save me much if I'm not commuting every day.
- It has a "full" LED package, but still has incandescent bulbs in the rear passenger seat dome and in the trunk. Swapped them out immediately.
I have a 2023 Legacy XT Touring on order, as the lease on my 2020 Accord Touring 2.0 ends soon. I already know it will not perform as well as the Honda, but since Honda killed their best-performing drivetrain and made it an inch too long for my garage, they're out of the picture. I'm hoping Subaru has made some changes in the flaws you've described. I'm an old dude, but I still like performance, and my XT test drive in the Sport seemed pretty nice...but I didn't get the chance to experience all the plusses and minuses. Thanks for the thorough review!
I'm glad that they still make sedans, but I do wish that they had a more enthusiast version as well. I think that with their history and customer following, they could sell both.
The other cars mentioned are sort of direct competitors - none offer AWD except for (now) the Toyota Camry - and only with the four cylinder engine making 200 hp. For those of us in New England who live on mountains and it snows, none are options for us but this car and the Camry. The problem with Subaru now they don't mention is the CVT under heavy loads (up a mountain, in snow). To keep the CVT torque converter from blowing out from overheating like it initially did, it stops operating which means you don't get up the mountain, or get home, in heavy snow. Something these guys would not know driving on the highway in a warm environment. Fun is not a primary concern. Getting home is.
We are based in Park City Utah and navigate heavy snow every year in everything from huge 4x4s to small RWD sports cars. Give us winter tires over AWD... tires make all the difference. Thanks for watching.
@@TestDriveVideos I have tried winter tires - the best - on my front wheel drive cars. None can get up the 15-20% degree slopes on my mountain. Our Honda Accords, Saab 9-3s, and Toyota Camry all could not make it. It is wonderful what you say but where I live everyone has AWD - we cannot get home in the winter with FWD and snow tires, and we are outlawed from using chains now which was our workaround years ago. Thanks for responding.
In response to the comments about the 4 second delay on the throttle - in a recent Issimi podcast, Jason Cammisa explained that it's due to a drive by noise test . For the test, the car starts at a specified speed, accelerates at full throttle until it passes the second sound sensor, some distance down the road, adn the noise level must be below required amount.
A lot of good sounding cars are hamstrung by this, because the automaker has to program in a literal delay on response to throttle input to pass this test. One such car is the Porsche GT4, which doesn't switch open the exhaust to loud mode until 3750 RPM; it finishes the test at 3700 RPM.
He said that even a Tesla Model S failed originally because it accelerates so fast that tires alone were over the limit.
...what? Can you point me to this "noise" test? Who imposes it, USDOT? Is it part of the US car federalization process (which is in the $40M range)? When did this "noise" test get introduced? Is it a only a CA thing?
😮 holy crap, I really have an amazing car then💪🏽. So it literally studies the road to adjust to the traffic as well as me the driver? Damn okay Subaru😁
Would the roads be more safe or less safe w/o these types of safety systems? I like my backup camera, but can do w/o the other gizmos. On I75 in SW OH, I see car parts littering the shoulders from where accidents happened. So until ppl can stop having accidents, safety systems are going to increase and be more intrusive until ppl are no longer in control (which could be the case now...). I blame watching a cell phone while driving as the primary culprit for these accidents.
I take it the reliability has drastically improved
want fun drive a WRX, this one is comfort and safety. what I dont like is the massive different features between the base model and the one youtubers review
Well, evidently I've come to the review at the exact right time! I myself do love the outback as many others do evidently. However, I do not like all the black plastic cladding draped all over it! So..I've decide that this Legacy would be my choice and of that model THIS is the one I want! The touring XT in these exact colors! So...I'ma gonna watch... Well...crap! I better check one out now myself and see if I draw the same conclusions.
Apparently Subaru's default settings are set to left lane driving...
So is there a non luxury mid size sedan with AWD but with V6/Turbo 220ish HP? RIP Ford Fusion AWD Platinum. Camry and Altima does not offer their V6 or higher output turbo 4. This Legacy seems to compete with it's own family the Outback as the closest match.
Any reason the year isn't in the title? Seems important if I'm trying to research a 2021 vs a 2018
I concur too
Weird, some of their videos do and some don't. Some consistency with adding the years would be helpful
I have a 2017 Legacy that I bought new and its the Best car I’ve ever owned. And I’ve owned at lest 7-19 cars which all were new. And I here it all the time that it’s to slow and to that I say it’s sufficient. I may buy the Outback next. But one thing for sure it will be a Subaru!! Great video guys!!!!!👍😊
i think you guys are overruling the manual mode too much. if you want to have fun switch to manual, if you want to go on a steady cruise, switch to drive.
After test driving a base model 2020 Legacy, I see where they were trying to get, but I feel the CVT wasn't as well done as it could be; like it needed some more tuning. Even in the 2.5i models, I still had to dig for acceleration and even then, I didn't feel much faster than a 1997 Toyota RAV4. As far as the suspension went, it felt very nice over broken pavement, but just a tad wallowy. Overall I found it a decent car, but I was turned off by just how artificial it was. Unsurprisingly, my choices are now a 2019 Outlander GT with the V6 and AWD, a 2019 VW Tiguan 4Motion, or 2020 Mazda 6 Grand Touring.
I would love to go back to a Legacy again, definitely the top of the line Touring XT model. The only down fall is not having a H6 engine anymore. :( 4 cylinder cars are blah, turbos don’t do it for me.
2:54, Someone actually specced body-colored wheels on a Porsche
Good catch!
I feel like there are two types of people who buy Subarus: the twenty-somethings who buy the WRX/STI and who crave performance, and then the older folks who are safety conscious and like the AWD and nanny features that Subarus have. I get behind somebody driving a newer Subaru wagon or sedan, and I feel like yelling out my window, "Let's move it along, safety Sally!". These are the types of people that never drive over the speed limit. I'm 60, and I don't need that "eyesight" crap that Subaru puts into their cars and I've never owned an AWD vehicle (and I've lived in New York and now Utah, where there's plenty of snow in the winter. My eyes work fine and I'm a good driver; I don't need my car to tell me how to drive well.
...and the older crowd that likes to shift gears, work a third pedal and throw caution to wind...
this legacy was designed to be a rental fleet champion, nothing more.
Yes maybe in your dreams you yell “let’s move” to a 2.4 turbo unless you have a v6 turbo or a 6.2 v8
Also 98% of those kids who never drove manual pretend to learn it by buying an STI and few days after they get out of the dealership they crash it or kill someone on the street cause they have no idea how to drive a car
Gee guys...I don't where to start. For a 6' 1" guy like me where most of my height is above the waist, I really like the headroom in the Legacy better than the competition. I also like the fact it does NOT have the tablet-like instrument display sticking up above the dash like the Accord. The price is also attractive. But you've got me thinking twice now about this car bec. of the CVT. Arghh! Nothing's worse than pushing down on the gas pedal and not having a reliable response!
The legacy is fun compared to previous models.
i absolutely hate the orange interior, the only reason i'm going down a package and snatching up the limited xt😂
Hey guys - the face recognition learns your face.
By far the blandest midsize sedan available, especially when put up against the Accord, Mazda 6, Kia K5, Hyundai Sonata, Nissan Altima...and even the Camry in some trims are more compelling. Having said that, it does have a pretty good AWD system in every trim, highest HP (with top engine choice, but falls a bit short on torque vs others) and may be the best value out of all of them. It's just that nothing about this car is exciting in any way, but for some people that will be just fine.
The legacy is a Subaru outback in sedan form. Not a great seller. Nice car that is underated.
I wish Mazda would come up with this interior color 😑
4:52 - 6ish lmfao
cvt-induced turbo lag followed by
cvt-induced overboost
I wanna know is the Subaru Legecy quite as far the the outside noise is concerned
It is very well isolated from wind and noises But if you push down the pedal flat then you can hear the 2.4 turbo and you will hear it all!
@@adriano8809 I am looking for a spacious car as well as keeping the outside noise away pretty much the car I'm driving now I hear nothing but tires, other cars and sometimes the outside wind I'll have give the Subaru legacy a test drive for sure
@@catrinajohns9774 hi Catrina, nice to meet you, I owned the 2021 legacy Touring XT for more than one month now and all you mentioned will match your expectations; the Mazda is like 1 or 2 decibel quieter than the Legacy but it is not a deal breaking difference; the drive on the Legacy is very smooth and precise, breaking is extremely responsive and efficient and suspensions are just amazing on any kind of bumps and make everything feeling so cushioned and comfy. The seats? You want to fall asleep on those seats all the times you get in the car, there is nothing more soft touch and roomy than those seats and the 2021 is even more roomy than the 2020 beating also accord and others; in the trunk you can even manage to fit a mountain bike which it is impossible to accomplish in any other sedan in the market. When I came home from the dealership and I parked next to my wife Altima I noticed that the Altima all of a sudden looked like a little kitty; this Legacy has the height of a compact suv and the length of a wagon and still the semiautomatic side mirrors and the front and back cameras make parking extremely easy
@@adriano8809 I will definitely keep those things in mind
Also despite the size it is very easy to park thanks to 1 front (most of other sedans don’t have one) and 1 back camera and when you backup the side mirrors automatically look down the curb and if it is dark 2 leds will illuminate the curb while you park so you don’t scratch the rims while parking
Why is the Dodge Charger SXT always excluded from the AWD Sedan conversation?
Cause you can't get it with the HEMI and AWD. :-/
@@DaddyDan77 Yet, but the V6 is plenty powerful in this category.
How about driving the car in the DRIVING lane ??? NOT the passing lane ????
That start/stop option to turn off deep in nav menus is inexcusable. Garbage.
I took mine to the dealer they did a software update the start stop is now right there top of the menu
lts updated now.
10:35 The problem with the Camry AWD is it only comes with the anemic 4 cylinder, not the V6. And the Camry infotainment system is garbage.
Im currently looking, down to top trim level of Accord, or Camry.. possibly the K5, what is it about the Camry infotainment system you dont like?
203 to 206 hp depending on which 4cyl trim is decent on the Camry. People just think a turbo is better because you get some boost to make it seem faster. In this class MPG is a selling point and reliability. Toyota does need to improve info system.
Looked so many Subaru reviews on TH-cam, there are 2 camps of experts now. 1.) We hate CVT but if I have to have one, Subaru is one of the best or 2.) We hate CVT and Subaru is very bad... Go figure ;)
Personally coming from a Toyota the Subaru CVT and paddle shift are thousands times better
Your outside camera made my eyes hurt. It was tearing and stuttering.
Yep, we had some real data issues with it on this shoot. Thanks for watching anyway.
Im pretty sure the reviewers are complaining about "fun" too much. They are nagging about a rally feel...get a WRX? The CVT learns driver traits, so takes some time to accommodate.
At first I thought it was a Nissan Altima.
Subaru - the vehicle for buyers with Acute Anxiety Disorder 😬
Thanks for the review!!! Almost a victim of this car!!!! Remove that CVT and change it to V6! I’ll be lining up for days!!!
It's funny how you want to change the transmission for an engine..
sounds like
new subaru is old volvo
new volvo is old saab
new mazda is kinda old subie-ey ? maybe ?
the opening. oh, oh wow. pinned for 4 seconds? oh G-D. nope, not gonna work. mhmm no, nope
Hate that new cars don’t come with a CD player
The car in this video has a CD player ;-)
@@oolowrideoo you are right, CD is located in the center console.
That cvt sounds almost as bad as the 1.5T chevy malibu's. Lag³, because cvt+torque converter+small turbo engine. On top of that the cvt doesn't know what to do if it's not cruising.
I've found turbo Subarus to be entertaining but even with a manual, driving smooth is tough. The throttle response is all over.
At least manual control makes sense on the Subaru. It wasn't very good on the malibu. Too many ratios, I think 8. Unsatisfying buttons on gear sitck. About 1.5 second from button press to ratio engagement.
Sorry, VOLVO MUCH TOO PRICEY🤑
The Camry is really boring
Fix ur audio channels this video made me dizzy
How did the audio make you dizzy?
@@TestDriveVideos the audio channels in the video kept fading in and out between left and right channels.... i played it back a few times on several headphones same result. Maybe its me.
RISK AVERSE BUYERS wanted . Yeah okay . I wonder if the auto insurance premium will be lower? Just stick to the engineering facts and keep your opinions to yourself .
Not a car for me. Hate cvt. Hate automatic. Dont need awd. Dont like safety nanny crap.
Subaru disappoints me because I feel as if all the ingredients are in the pantry but the chef refuses to put them into one dish.
Legacy XT with torque vectoring and any transmission other than the CVT would be on my wish list.