Regarding the ultimate financial motivation mentioned at the end of the video, the difference between today and when Walt Disney was alive is that now companies are ranked with ESG (Environmental, Social, Governance) scores. If these scores get too low then financial institutions will refuse to loan them any more money. Companies like Disney don't actually care about any of this progressive stuff they insert into their movies and TV shows. It is definitely worse than it was even just a few years ago. Disney recently sent Don Rosa an email telling him that they have banned his Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck comic from ever being published again anywhere in the world. He offered to alter or redraw the few panels that were deemed offensive but they refused. One of the "problematic" stories is only from around 2002! "Oh, no, we can't offend anybody!" Then they give a "Special Thanks" to a concentration camp where the Chinese government imprisons Uighur Muslims in the credits of the live action Mulan. I agree with what Whoopi Goldberg said in that clip, but she's also said some REALLY stupid things. She said that THE HOLOCAUST wasn't racist. She said Roman Polanski's 13 year old victim was a willing participant in her assault. Polanski drugged her and she was telling him to stop what he was doing and couldn't fight back. But even if what Whoopi said was accurate, Polanski would still be a scumbag. Prior to their animated Aladdin movie, Disney made a weird, low budget, live-action Aladdin movie where all of the characters were Chinese but they were played by white people. I only became aware of it via Rifftrax. I have no idea how they were allowed to release a riffed version of this. (Maybe there's some weird legal situation where Disney doesn't fully control it, but I don't know.)
As upsetting as Sunflower the Centaur is to me I don't like they're just pretending she was never there at all. Put a paragraph of warnings if you want in front of it but don't pretend like you didn't do this, Disney.
they also changed another line, from my blue ray version of aladdin where they toss random food at aladdin they used to say "Take That" and then they throw food at him....instead its gone...weird the line "Take that" is missing in my blue ray version
I don't know for sure what happened, but that example sounds like somebody just screwed up rather than censorship. (It doesn't make it right, but it was possibly unintentional.) The Rankin/Bass Hobbit animated movie has missing sound effects, too, due to sloppiness rather than censorship, so similar things have been known to have happened in the past.
Just found your channel. I get this was never described as a comprehensive list, but one that sticks out to me is from the short "Small One." What line is now "Wen never never fail when we go to make a sale, we, work a little harder if we must." It used to be, "We simply cheat a little if we must."
Just discovered your channel; as an 80s kid, I watched a lot of Disney Channel back in the day. Looking forward to checking out more of your content and enjoying some nostalgia.
people would rather sugarcoat, ignore and forget the troubles of yesterday for the promise and possible utopia of tomorrow, even if its unrealistic and doesn't actually teach us anything as discussion would
I’m a bit on the fence about Tar Baby. I mean the look of it is pretty bad, but the story itself is straight from African American tales passed down through the slaves from Bahamian folklore.
That's definitely true and looking only at the original fable I'd totally agree. Over time though, much like Uncle Tom's Cabin, it's also been coopted and used in a derogatory way. Depends on the context and perspective, I'd say.
@@theothervault Very much so. Song of the South had it's problems, but on one side it did try to portray those stories the best they could for the times they were in, I think. If I remember correctly, people today fault it for depicting this image of the happy, smiling, singing slave, but wasn't Uncle Remus a free man? Not saying it's not problematic in a number of aspects, but they were trying to use the stories for a positive impact I think. They fell very short by today's standards, but I think this is also one of those things that it's important to examine through that lens of the past.
Ah, the digital Zooms, That's why those scenes always looked wrong. Good to know i can re-edit a copy to restore the original footage. As a film collector, it also makes me something of a historian, and i prefer to have my movies warts, pimples and all. If there are three edits of a movie available, I want them ALL in my library as it adds context to the mindset of the studios, and the audiences of the time.
@@theothervault I often describe movies as a fun-house mirror reflection of the society in which they were created. The view is exaggerated, Idealized, warped and distorted, but holds truths about the people and society of the time.
You say discussion. I say people just screaming at each to cancel disney because how dare they depict such awful stereotypes in their content. To me, i dont think its bad that disney its modifying those scenes. Its what they have to do present a good family image and keep making money. What i do find offense is to the fact that these changes are not adressed. Silently forgoing any chance at acknowledging past mistakes. At least some of the movies have the disclaimer but its kinda like their just brushing it off. But again. Its an entertainment company. It doesnt want to be bogged down with endless arguments. Money and being family friendly. Thats what disney fights for now
Yeah, definitely brand image before all else which, to be clear, is what Disney has always been about. I do think that screaming for the cancelation without looking at the historical context is a direct result of not having these kinds of "discussions" or a general lack of exposure.
Yes you can't go 5 minutes, and its super irritating. One side complains their too much, the other not enough, and Im left in the middle hating everyone.
My guy. You need to seriously crack open a good book or cast box a good educational podcast. Unless you want to be an ignorant person perceived racist.
@@jbeverly8229 bro, the author was black who wrote the story WITH the tar baby! Tar is black, why are we making this a huge problem? Yes, it was made to look like a black kid, but who cares? Brer Rabbit got what he deserved. In the end, it's a black author who was having fun telling stories, no matter how controversial they seem. People are just so sensitive these days, especially white people.
Truth be told this humor always has been acceptable for audiences with thick skins. Why else do ignorant people use racial slurs nowadays to gather those chuckle points?
The gloves are there so you can see the character’s hands which would have been hard to see due to cartoons being in black in white, and picture quality in t.v.s was poor. What’s uncomfortable about that?
Perhaps after wokeness has passed, if it ever does, where the point is not to look at artifacts of the past objectively and in context but to impress everybody with how offended you are by them, a discussion can happen whether the wiser course of action is to sweep content under the rug or present the material intact with a warning--although it seems a little silly to have to say people thought differently 80 or more years ago. But by then the questionable content may have disappeared forever. But people can always find things to be offended by. How about the fact that in the original story Aladdin is Chinese? (It was one of the Tales of the Arabian Nights, which doesn't mean the individual characters were all meant to be Arabian.) Similarly, Sambo is Indian, not African; he's called black because of the very dark skin that many Indians have.
Regarding the ultimate financial motivation mentioned at the end of the video, the difference between today and when Walt Disney was alive is that now companies are ranked with ESG (Environmental, Social, Governance) scores. If these scores get too low then financial institutions will refuse to loan them any more money. Companies like Disney don't actually care about any of this progressive stuff they insert into their movies and TV shows.
It is definitely worse than it was even just a few years ago. Disney recently sent Don Rosa an email telling him that they have banned his Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck comic from ever being published again anywhere in the world. He offered to alter or redraw the few panels that were deemed offensive but they refused. One of the "problematic" stories is only from around 2002!
"Oh, no, we can't offend anybody!" Then they give a "Special Thanks" to a concentration camp where the Chinese government imprisons Uighur Muslims in the credits of the live action Mulan.
I agree with what Whoopi Goldberg said in that clip, but she's also said some REALLY stupid things. She said that THE HOLOCAUST wasn't racist. She said Roman Polanski's 13 year old victim was a willing participant in her assault. Polanski drugged her and she was telling him to stop what he was doing and couldn't fight back. But even if what Whoopi said was accurate, Polanski would still be a scumbag.
Prior to their animated Aladdin movie, Disney made a weird, low budget, live-action Aladdin movie where all of the characters were Chinese but they were played by white people. I only became aware of it via Rifftrax. I have no idea how they were allowed to release a riffed version of this. (Maybe there's some weird legal situation where Disney doesn't fully control it, but I don't know.)
This is the rise of a great channel. The content is really good, been binging it the last hour.
Wow, thanks so very much for your kind words! It's so great to hear that you've been enjoying everything so far.
@@theothervault Absolutely, there is obscure content, well written narrative, and the humour really hits me, so I'm really enjoying it.
As upsetting as Sunflower the Centaur is to me I don't like they're just pretending she was never there at all. Put a paragraph of warnings if you want in front of it but don't pretend like you didn't do this, Disney.
Or even just a special feature in the extras section covering the original version.
They shouldn't show it to little kids, but a special edition for adult collectors should be available, too.
"These are not the droids you are looking for."
You don't see them, they aren't there. Just invisibly going about their jobs.
As a character the little black centaur is charming - couldn't they have included her in a non-subservient capacity?
@@DrWhom After all, it is not the servant who is offensive.
they also changed another line, from my blue ray version of aladdin where they toss random food at aladdin they used to say "Take That" and then they throw food at him....instead its gone...weird the line "Take that" is missing in my blue ray version
Woah - good catch!
@@theothervault i found it to be quite weird when i noticed as i sing along with my animated features
I don't know for sure what happened, but that example sounds like somebody just screwed up rather than censorship. (It doesn't make it right, but it was possibly unintentional.)
The Rankin/Bass Hobbit animated movie has missing sound effects, too, due to sloppiness rather than censorship, so similar things have been known to have happened in the past.
Just found your channel. I get this was never described as a comprehensive list, but one that sticks out to me is from the short "Small One." What line is now "Wen never never fail when we go to make a sale, we, work a little harder if we must." It used to be, "We simply cheat a little if we must."
Nice one! Yeah - there are a ton of smaller but no less significant instances like this.
I living in Germany and my old VHS got the uncensored Version of the big bad Wolf. Nice.👍🏻
Wow! Talk about a RARE find!
Just discovered your channel; as an 80s kid, I watched a lot of Disney Channel back in the day. Looking forward to checking out more of your content and enjoying some nostalgia.
people would rather sugarcoat, ignore and forget the troubles of yesterday for the promise and possible utopia of tomorrow, even if its unrealistic and doesn't actually teach us anything as discussion would
Glad to see we've evolved past the horrible racism that previous generations were fond of. Sad to see people unwilling to move forwards
The only difference is that the audience now includes the less privileged.
I was actually talking about everything you talk on this video... You are brave 🔥
I’m a bit on the fence about Tar Baby. I mean the look of it is pretty bad, but the story itself is straight from African American tales passed down through the slaves from Bahamian folklore.
I never saw tar baby as racist either
That's definitely true and looking only at the original fable I'd totally agree. Over time though, much like Uncle Tom's Cabin, it's also been coopted and used in a derogatory way. Depends on the context and perspective, I'd say.
@@theothervault Very much so. Song of the South had it's problems, but on one side it did try to portray those stories the best they could for the times they were in, I think. If I remember correctly, people today fault it for depicting this image of the happy, smiling, singing slave, but wasn't Uncle Remus a free man? Not saying it's not problematic in a number of aspects, but they were trying to use the stories for a positive impact I think. They fell very short by today's standards, but I think this is also one of those things that it's important to examine through that lens of the past.
I saw the tucker reference. Changed the tone for me. Good luck with the channel
Gosh would I love to see Disney attempt a 3rd Fantasia film, I think it's about time.
Ah, the digital Zooms, That's why those scenes always looked wrong.
Good to know i can re-edit a copy to restore the original footage.
As a film collector, it also makes me something of a historian, and i prefer to have my movies warts, pimples and all.
If there are three edits of a movie available, I want them ALL in my library as it adds context to the mindset of the studios, and the audiences of the time.
You get me.
@@theothervault I often describe movies as a fun-house mirror reflection of the society in which they were created. The view is exaggerated, Idealized, warped and distorted, but holds truths about the people and society of the time.
Great videos! Keep it up
Thanks you! So happy to hear that you're enjoying everything so far!
Aren't the Siamese cats from "Lady and the Tramp"?
Yes!
You say discussion. I say people just screaming at each to cancel disney because how dare they depict such awful stereotypes in their content.
To me, i dont think its bad that disney its modifying those scenes. Its what they have to do present a good family image and keep making money.
What i do find offense is to the fact that these changes are not adressed. Silently forgoing any chance at acknowledging past mistakes. At least some of the movies have the disclaimer but its kinda like their just brushing it off.
But again. Its an entertainment company. It doesnt want to be bogged down with endless arguments. Money and being family friendly. Thats what disney fights for now
Yeah, definitely brand image before all else which, to be clear, is what Disney has always been about. I do think that screaming for the cancelation without looking at the historical context is a direct result of not having these kinds of "discussions" or a general lack of exposure.
You have a phenomenal voice! :)
Thanks!
Yes you can't go 5 minutes, and its super irritating. One side complains their too much, the other not enough, and Im left in the middle hating everyone.
he wasn’t cryogenically frozen that’s totally made up
I think it was a joke bro
I just don't get how Song of the South is racist. Like just because the author was a black slave doesn't mean his stories are racist.
Black stereotypes
The tar baby wasn’t a dead give away?..
My guy. You need to seriously crack open a good book or cast box a good educational podcast. Unless you want to be an ignorant person perceived racist.
@@jbeverly8229 bro, the author was black who wrote the story WITH the tar baby! Tar is black, why are we making this a huge problem? Yes, it was made to look like a black kid, but who cares? Brer Rabbit got what he deserved. In the end, it's a black author who was having fun telling stories, no matter how controversial they seem. People are just so sensitive these days, especially white people.
Requires a bit more of a deep dive than what the comments section will allow. Maybe a future video...?
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Truth be told this humor always has been acceptable for audiences with thick skins. Why else do ignorant people use racial slurs nowadays to gather those chuckle points?
It's easy to have a thick skin when it isn't on you.
@@davidwuhrer6704 Then no chuckle points for you.
The gloves make me uncomfortable ever since I learned their true meaning
Webbed fingers/hands?
The gloves are there so you can see the character’s hands which would have been hard to see due to cartoons being in black in white, and picture quality in t.v.s was poor. What’s uncomfortable about that?
You sound sensitive AF. 😄😄😄
There is no secret meaning to the gloves. Stop with the conspiracies 😂
Get a life!! F ethnic BS!! Dont like it, don't buy it!!! 😊😉👹👺😡🤬
Perhaps after wokeness has passed, if it ever does, where the point is not to look at artifacts of the past objectively and in context but to impress everybody with how offended you are by them, a discussion can happen whether the wiser course of action is to sweep content under the rug or present the material intact with a warning--although it seems a little silly to have to say people thought differently 80 or more years ago. But by then the questionable content may have disappeared forever.
But people can always find things to be offended by. How about the fact that in the original story Aladdin is Chinese? (It was one of the Tales of the Arabian Nights, which doesn't mean the individual characters were all meant to be Arabian.) Similarly, Sambo is Indian, not African; he's called black because of the very dark skin that many Indians have.
So what is bad about a wolf trying to eat pigs!!! Grow up gen cry baby 👶😢😭
Atta boy, @hackman669. Thanks for watching!