It's funny that Walt's feeling on the film (it having nothing emotional) is one of the reasons Alice films are so hard to get right. There is no character growth for Alice in the books, she's simply a girl who falls asleep, dreams of weird people in weird places and then wakes up. It's why some films add a framing story. 1985 has Alice wanting to sit with the grown ups for tea and 1999 has Alice having stage fright. Some films, like 1933 and 1988, go all in on the weird (if you thought 1933 was nightmare fuel, just wait til you see 1988). Others go all in on the dreamy aspect. 1966 does this perfectly and is maybe the most unique adaption since everyone is dressed in Victorian attire without any animal costumes, while still being very faithful. There's also 1981s Alice at the palace which I think is trying to be dreamy but squarely landed on trippy. Then you have the Tim Burton approach of just ignoring the book entirely. The thing is all of them (apart from Tim Burtons) are good adaptions. I think Disneys Alice feels a bit 'meh' because it's never fully commits to being it's own thing but at the same time it's not a super faithful adaptation. The 1972 version is one of the most faithful adaptation out there and I adore that version so much that my Alice cosplay is based off of it. You can kinda forgive problems, if it's a faithful adaptation but Disney didn't do a faithful adaptation. The changed it up enough to be clearly different from the book but didn't address the problem that then lead to Walt feeling like the movie lacked heart. Don't get me wrong I adore Disneys Alice as a Disney film but as a Alice adaptation it's very average, I've seen better and I've seen way way worse. (As a fellow lover of the Alice books, I have a sneaky suspicion that Walts love of the books is what caused it's downfall. I think he loved them too much to stray to far from the books and he wasn't interested in making the type of film that does work as a faithful adaptation)
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Walt's comments highlighted in green near the end of the video, really sum up the problems with the books themselves. Carroll/Dodgson was a seriously troubled person without any real sense of whimsy. His writing was focused on the intellectual and satirical.
There also exists a 1980 episode of "The Muppet Show" that (humorously) adapts the Alice story, with Brooke Shields as Alice. Disney now owns that episode.
1951 Animated was definitely Disney’s best interpretation I wouldn’t mind seeing them do another animated Alice In Wonderland if it can be done well , keep out the nightmare fuel, or other missteps
I love how this day last week I saw elemental but um 😅 just be aware it’s based on someone’s parent’s’ experience and it doesn’t feel like it’s been ‘done before’ to me🤷♀️ but um I’m guessing you know about Alice comedies too🤔 I’ll still watch regardless of the beginning being confusing for me 😅
Your opinion is wrong... elemental sucked and was a completely uninteresting and an unoriginal story.. you are one of the very very few who enjoyed it at all I'm glad somebody found worth in the worthless
For the record, I really enjoyed Elemental despite how formulaic much of it felt.
It's funny that Walt's feeling on the film (it having nothing emotional) is one of the reasons Alice films are so hard to get right. There is no character growth for Alice in the books, she's simply a girl who falls asleep, dreams of weird people in weird places and then wakes up.
It's why some films add a framing story. 1985 has Alice wanting to sit with the grown ups for tea and 1999 has Alice having stage fright.
Some films, like 1933 and 1988, go all in on the weird (if you thought 1933 was nightmare fuel, just wait til you see 1988).
Others go all in on the dreamy aspect. 1966 does this perfectly and is maybe the most unique adaption since everyone is dressed in Victorian attire without any animal costumes, while still being very faithful. There's also 1981s Alice at the palace which I think is trying to be dreamy but squarely landed on trippy.
Then you have the Tim Burton approach of just ignoring the book entirely.
The thing is all of them (apart from Tim Burtons) are good adaptions. I think Disneys Alice feels a bit 'meh' because it's never fully commits to being it's own thing but at the same time it's not a super faithful adaptation. The 1972 version is one of the most faithful adaptation out there and I adore that version so much that my Alice cosplay is based off of it. You can kinda forgive problems, if it's a faithful adaptation but Disney didn't do a faithful adaptation. The changed it up enough to be clearly different from the book but didn't address the problem that then lead to Walt feeling like the movie lacked heart. Don't get me wrong I adore Disneys Alice as a Disney film but as a Alice adaptation it's very average, I've seen better and I've seen way way worse.
(As a fellow lover of the Alice books, I have a sneaky suspicion that Walts love of the books is what caused it's downfall. I think he loved them too much to stray to far from the books and he wasn't interested in making the type of film that does work as a faithful adaptation)
Your vids are top tier. The research, the editing , sound quality…100 percent legit
Thanks so much! I really appreciate the feedback.
If anyone is interested, both Alice's Wonderland and Through the Mirror are on TH-cam, and they're both fun.
I clicked on your house of mouse video at TH-cam’s suggestion and have spent the last two hours going down the rabbit hole that is your channel. Subbed.
So happy to hear that you're enjoying everything so far!
Walt's comments highlighted in green near the end of the video, really sum up the problems with the books themselves. Carroll/Dodgson was a seriously troubled person without any real sense of whimsy. His writing was focused on the intellectual and satirical.
I like the Disney version Alice in Wonderland 1951 better than 1949.
At least the 1949 version is closer to the book
I want to thank you for the nightmare fuel. I've been running a bit low 🙃
Ha! Anytime!
Once again, you make another fantastic classic. Never stop, my friend. Your videos and the research, editing and so forth ate truly magnificent.
Thanks again!
@@theothervaultif i was in David Hall’s Wonderland i would have been like the cowardly lion.
There also exists a 1980 episode of "The Muppet Show" that (humorously) adapts the Alice story, with Brooke Shields as Alice. Disney now owns that episode.
I actually love all the versions of Alice In Wonderland and Through The Looking Glass Movies
I prefer the 1951 animated version of Alice in Wonderland from Disney too
its my favorite version, i couldn't enjoy the live-action versions
Always meticulously researched, artistically rendered, your stuff never ceases to fascinate. I mean, the history is off the hook!
Thanks so much!
I'm amazed by the research and clips/art work you find that despite being an amateur cinephile, I've never even heard of half of it. Excellent!
Awesome to hear that you enjoy and appreciate it!
VERY well done, Sir! 👏🏻👏🏻
Kathryn Beaumont will forever be the voice of Alice to me
WOW Spectacular! Checked out TOV's Henson's mermaid, you never disappoint. Keep it coming
Alice in Wonderland from 1951 is My Favorite movie ever
I kinda dig the nightmare fuel Alice
I didn't find it scary. Maybe if I'd been under the age of 10, but now...
My favorite is the alice in wonderland made by hallmark I believe. The cast was insane and one of my favorite renditions
Was that the one with Whoopi Goldberg?
@@theothervault yes! It was an amazing cast, Martin short even!
1951 Animated was definitely
Disney’s best interpretation
I wouldn’t mind seeing
them do another
animated Alice In Wonderland if
it can be done well , keep out the nightmare fuel, or other missteps
You do great work on these videos! Keep at it!
Much appreciated!
I remember this movie and it's on Disney plus.
I've watched that black and white Alice and oh my gosh that's nightmare fuel
Period Blair 😌💅
Consistent pattern is that all Disney films were flops in theaters until getting a tv release (other than Snow White).
Definitely a pattern with many of the Disney classics.
Love your videos, Id love if you could do one on The Little Mermaid.
Thanks - I'll add it to the list!
If you think this is nightmare fuel, don't ever play American McGees Alice because you'll never sleep
Loved American McGee's Alice back in the day! Madness Returns had some cool ideas, too.
This is MY STORY AND NOT JUST THE YOUTH
5:58 mickey mouse inflation kink
I believe the phrase is
“The writers barely
disguised fetish”
🤣😂
What is the music at 7:12?
Jack's Harvest by Emmanuel Jacob
Am I the only one who is somewhat attracted to the bunny in zootopia?
no, you're not. a lot of people like her.
was that figment??
I love how this day last week I saw elemental but um 😅 just be aware it’s based on someone’s parent’s’ experience and it doesn’t feel like it’s been ‘done before’ to me🤷♀️ but um I’m guessing you know about Alice comedies too🤔 I’ll still watch regardless of the beginning being confusing for me 😅
Your opinion is wrong... elemental sucked and was a completely uninteresting and an unoriginal story.. you are one of the very very few who enjoyed it at all I'm glad somebody found worth in the worthless
I really enjoyed Elemental despite how formulaic much of it felt. Hope the rest of this video cleared up your confusion! Curious on your thoughts.