How Aladdin Changed Animation (by Screwing Over Robin Williams)
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thank you Lindsay for confirming the true timeline. There is only Pre-Shrek and Post-Shrek
Kayla Daly welcome to the year 18 a.s. (after shrek)
Lainey a.S. please. Shrek’s name is to be on capital letters.
Noe Martinez Forgive me, father
I would argue it's really pre-Toy Story and post-Toy Story. Toy Story was the first Pixar film, and it kicked off a slow but steady takeover of feature animation by CG. And it's not like the A-list celebrities in that film (particularly Tom Hanks and Tim Allen) weren't heavily promoted in that film or its sequels. And let's not forget that the series also had Don Rickles, Wallace Shawn, John Ratzenberger, Wayne Knight, and other established stars that I'm probably forgetting. If Toy Story hadn't been such a massive success then Shrek would never have been made either. But they saw what worked for Disney and proved effective at doing it themselves.
@@hotwax9376 its a joke
"One of the great thrills in my life was watching Robin Williams laugh at my animation" That made me smile.
That would be such an honor, and I remember watching that interview years ago and thinking how humbled the dude was when recounting the memory.
I read this as the video said it... weird.
Yeah, that's just pure joy and pride of the best kind, glad for him, watching that made my day
Popeye was great u can't change my mind
We save the star in my shool
I think its telling that Robin Williams character in Ms Doubtfire, which was made the very next year, was a animation voice actor that would rather be fired and risk poverty than compromise his integrity and work ethics
Yes! I love the scene when he’s playing with the dinos, just for himself and not for an audience. I always felt like that was actually genuinely what Robin was like - though of course I never knew him personally, so how would I know. But I loved him so much not just because he was hilarious but more because he always brought a tenderness and heart to his performances that made him likeable and believable.
Robin Williams had many talents. Subtlety was not among them.
@@worrywirt probably my favorite scene in that movie so great
@@worrywirt You're so right. It was the tenderness that made the roles work too. I wept when he passed.
ha I never put that together
"I think the saddest people always try their hardest to make other people happy, because they know what it’s like to feel absolutely worthless, and they don’t want anyone else to feel like that.” ~ Robin Williams (1951-2014)
Thanks for a million laughs & more
Emmet Kelly was a famous circus clown and as I understand it had a not too happy life, that is one example of support to your statement.
Emmet went to the doctor one day and told the doctor “I’m just so depressed, I don’t know what to do.” The doctor replied, “Laughter is the best medicine. I hear there’s a clown in town, you should go and see him.” Emmet replies, “I am that clown...”
This hits different after Lindsay just announced her indefinite hiatus from TH-cam 😭 I really hope she's taking care of herself and doing fine
Rest in peace to a good man
This world did not deserve Robin Williams. He’s one of the only celebrities that I legitimately felt sad when I heard that he was no longer with us.
I cried when I heard his death on the radio.
same - idgaf about any celebs, but robin williams had an actual role in my childhood.
Behind every smile is a sad sad person. The Lord Jesus Christ possibly saw redemption in him and now it's too late because of his self deletion.
@@PowerRangersFanAntiDinoFuryI disagree that it’s too late, we do not know what was in his heart
@@PowerRangersFanAntiDinoFury "Self deletion"? For crying out loud, just say it as it was. Suicide. I can't stand this tiktok sugarcoating/censoring nonsense.
I love that Robin's daughter also took to animation and voice acting. I realy enjoyed Zelda's performance as Kuvira in Legend of Korra. She made a very convincing dictator.
I didn't know that! She was awesome.
Yeah she was damn good in that role, I was so pleased when I discovered that it was Zelda.
She was great I hope she can play more villains in the future
Why does this feel like a diss - i Know its a compliment haha
Say WHAT now?! She did incredible!!
Oh God not the slow piano music over footage of Robin Williams
Lindsay please I'm on a bus everyone is watching me sob
EXACTLY. WHAT THE FUCK LINDSEY
Seriously. Having Robin himself talking about what he wants to leave behind and be remembered by and I'm suddenly impersonating a rainstorm.
I'm in a fucking coffee shop I know EVERYONE IS WATCHING ME SOB.
Dammit I started tearing up too! XP
Not alone bruph..
It's a small touch, but I really like that Robin Williams got the "last word" in this video. Just resonates really well with me.
"Made ya look."
@@wedgemccloud god dam
We had more love too watching the classics. I’m more in my video games then movies these day.
“No matter what anyone says, you’ll always be a prince to me”
And you will always be a king to us, RIP Robin 😭
I cried for his soul when I heard of his passing.
"After Aladdin was released, EVERY Disney movie had a Genie knockoff featuring some extremely bankable comedic talent."
holy shit. you're right.
Ryan_Marshall_GA ... Did you even watch the video before diving into the comments section?
@@MariusLaru how old are you anyways ? You look like you're in your early 20's
@@MariusLaru There is a difference between some big stars voicing characters and a similar character in every movie beeing voiced by a similar actor ( as stated by the original comment).
Omg after that part. Dammit!! She’s so right
I had this realization when I saw frozen and realized how useless Josh Gad’s character was until I realized it was just because they wanted to say josh gad was in it
This warmed my heart. Robin was such a good person and he never let the Hollywood machine overtake his ethics. The interview at the end is beautiful. Thanks for reminding me of how wonderful Robin was
Why does it hurt so much?
Fun fact - while Christopher Reeeve (the original Superman) was recovering from the accident that left him a paraplegic, he had a bunch of visitors, who unsuccessfully tried to cheer him up. In came his old college buddy, Robin Williams, dressed in a surgical mask and scrubs, who loudly announced in a Russian accent that he was about to perform a rectal exam on Reeve. And for the first time since his accident, Christopher Reeve laughed. That’s how I think of Robin Williams- as someone who cared about others, and who wanted to make people happy. I think it’s that kindness and sincerity that makes the genie a truly loveable character.
Edit - I got the above anecdote from a section of Reeeve’s Wikipedia page, which quotes his autobiography. My apologies for spelling his name incorrectly.
George Reevescirca 1952 original superman Christopher Reeve 's father
skeletor danzig Omfg Google is LITERALLY a thing. That wasn’t his father. HIS surname is REEEVES, not REEVE. That should’ve been your first indication but you don’t think do you? Christopher Reeve’s father was Franklin Reeve, a writer and poet
Source? Any proof of your claim?
Source: Christopher Reeve's autobiography, Still Me
“As the day of the operation drew closer, it became more and more painful and frightening to contemplate. In spite of efforts to protect me from the truth, I already knew that I had only a fifty-fifty chance of surviving the surgery. I lay on my back, frozen, unable to avoid thinking the darkest thoughts. Then, at an especially bleak moment, the door flew open and in hurried a squat fellow with a blue scrub hat and a yellow surgical gown and glasses, speaking in a Russian accent. He announced that he was my proctologist, and that he had to examine me immediately. My first reaction was that either I was on way too many drugs or I was in fact brain damaged. But it was Robin Williams. He and his wife, Marsha, had materialized from who knows where. And for the first time since the accident, I laughed. My old friend had helped me know that somehow I was going to be okay.”
He also took in Christopher Reeves’ son when Dana passed away.
This entire saga really makes you respect WIlliams as a man of principle. He did films like Ferngully because he was supportive of it's environmental message, and only continued doing the Genie for education roles. Toys was a film he was passionate about and wanted it to do well and didn't want any of the fame that came from his role in Aladdin. Unfortunately Disney is the exact opposite of that.
"Genie, I'm- I'm gonna miss you."
*Lie Down*
"Me too, Al."
*Try not to cry*
"No matter what anybody says, you'll always be a prince to me!"
*Cry a lot*
I know man, that last line got to me real good.
Didn't expect I'll be crying here after hearing all that Disney's mess.
ZacTheMusician fuck same
He did that for 70k holy shit. Disney made most of that movie's money off of the genie.
It only just hit me when you pointed it out. That’s genuinely unfathomable. I loved Aladdin FOR the genie; he was my favourite character by FAR. I feel bad knowing now that none of the money I or my family spent on the movie went to him.
@@patrick__swayze and yet, he never wanted the money to begin with. Just like he said in the interview he made. I always wondered why he never played the part in the 2nd movie tell much later when the internet had more websites and forums and news about such things. Shame on Disney. Now that they mad their bed, they can damn well sleep in it.
Yeah Robin got boned on that one. You can tell he did it for the love of the character and could care less about the pay. Then Disney did what they do best: milk it for all it’s worth, quality or not.
70k is several year salaries or more than some people make in their entire life. Who gives a fuck, he should've asked for more or whatever idc.
@@tracklizard4018 Who gives a fuck? Obviously some people do. You aren't wrong though.
"Its been long enough since he passed this video shouldn't make me cry."
Narrator: It did.
duffmanx2000 “that’s won’t be me, I’m really tough and I see it coming”
*slow summery music and robin williams voiceover starts
. . . I’m not crying your crying shut up I’m losing to a bird
Robin was such a gift and left a loving legacy
Love me a random AD reference
I know
There are certainly celebrity deaths that have affected me. But none more than Williams. It was a borderline grieving process. You play the right chords and it’s quite clear I’m still not over it. R.I.P
I still get sad when I think Robin Williams is no longer with us or when the anniversary of his death roles around. There simply won't be anyone like him ever again.
I still remember hearing about his passing, I was in a psych ward and had just been diagnosed with bipolar myself
angel..nebber say nebber.. there will be a reply somewhere in the wings of the theatre always
As if we needed any MORE reason to feel bad for Robin Williams.
Damn.
King Similien Honestly? No.
BTW when she said Toys was a passion project for Robin, she means it was the Passion project for it to be made by one of Robin's Friends, and Robin's passion for the project was to help his friend.
he was too good for this world
The One and Only Michael McCormick it was a huge thing at the time. It’s kind of the archetypical evil studio screwing over an actor story. If you’re on the younger side it makes sense if you haven’t heard of this.
@@DarthScrewtape27 While is knew the Toys [movie] angle I didn't know about the Fern Gully factor myself
"Genie, I'm going to miss you."
Yes, I'm crying.
B Huse I teared up at the end too because of Robin Williams suicide.
Me too, it got me right in the feels 😭
That got me too. Out of nowhere with the gut punch
Same.
Even the I’m free line. Like he is free from the demons that haunted him.
Love you Robin
Right there with ya😞💔🙍 Oh, how I miss that man when I watch these things.
Isn't it so special how he was/is loved and missed by all these people who didn't truly know him?? I think that's such a special thing... the way he made people love him. Very few souls in the world who can have that affect with so many.
He's missed by millions. That's a legacy. Such an icon. I'll always adore Robin Williams.
I’m continually amazed how Lindsay manages to come up with so many things to talk about while still being able to work in The Great Mouse Detective
That's a life goal of mine she's inspired me to do-work in a reference to Great Mouse Detective
I eagerly await the day she finds an excuse to write a Great Mouse Detective video essay :D
Yeah but we didn’t get a “see how I glitter” clip from Pocahontas this time :(
Unsurprised she works in The Great Mouse Detective. A classic before the “Golden”age. Love that movie.
@@luvkirby4ever the day she finally makes a 40 minute long great mouse detective video essay is the day I become a happy person
It's honestly kind of crazy how Ghibli movies always had more A and B list actors in their movies than Disney movies, and it's even crazier when you consider the fact that they used to distribute them for a long time.
i had no idea! it's funny to me that Matt Damon was part of the voice cast in Ponyo of all things
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponyo#Cast
Matt Damon in ponyo? Can’t even imagine it lol what else of my childhood was a lie
Kirstin Dunst was in Kiki's Delivery Service. Howl's Moving Castle had Christian Bale, Josh Hutcherson, and Billy Crystal.
Goddamn mark hamil as muska
Who cares? The old Disney actors were marvelous. Being famous means nothing
teared up at the end of this vid thinkin' bout Robin Williams. what a guy
The man was a comedic genius, but also a wonderful dramatic actor. I remember just crying buckets of tears hearing about his death
I managed to hold back my tears until the end. Having dealt with suicidal thoughts myself, his death is so heartbreaking.
I think we all did. And that is exactly what art, with heart, can do
1 of my favourite humans :(
It still hurts. Such a waste.
Robin Williams is the only celebrity for whom I cried when he died.
Him and Alan Rickman for me.
I cried when he died. Also cried about joan rivers & my childhood crush luke Perry. His death hit close to home bc 90210 was my favorite show & still is . He reminds me of my childhood the good friends I had as a kid , bc we used to have 90210 parties & at sleepovers we watched the our favorite episodes together. Also luke was going to have such a good year , he was in the QT movie once upon a time in Hollywood, riverdale a hit show & the bh90210 reboot. It would have been the first time the original cast would have reunited since 1994 when shannen Doherty left. I also heard he & shannen doherty very much wanted to do a project together .
I still can't watch "What Dreams May Come". It hits too close to home. Actually apparently I can't even mention it without crying. I'm crying. He was a beautiful soul that left us way too soon. :'(
@@chariscrane450 absolutely.
Me too. Then the following weekend my kids were flipping channels and Aladdin came on. I made them stop so I could watch and cry.
One of my biggest problems with celebrity voices in animation, is the fact that traditional voice actors get relegated to television roles.
Not to mention the fact that most celebrity voice acting performances are generally worse than professional voice actors. They also make watching the movie feel like "oh that's *insert celebrity here* 's voice" instead of like "yep, that's the character and the only particular character voice I associate that character with."
I agree. There’s so many talented voice actors that need big movie roles
@@stanconnorstan4266 And celebrities almost never change their voices from character to character! Animated characters are supposed to sound a little bit caricatured and unique, but celebs like having their recognisable speaking voice in there.
Yeah. In Finding Nemo, they’re Fish no. 243.
@@stanconnorstan4266 To be fair, traditional voice actors' voices can get distracting too.
Every time I hear Tom Kenny, I think "That's SpongeBob". Every time I hear Grey DeLisle, I think "That's Vicky". Every time I hear Cree Summer, I think "That's Elmyra". You get the gist.
R.I.P Robin Williams, you captured the hearts of many and will be missed.
Robin Williams: One of the very few A-list celebs with standards and a soul. That's one of the things I miss most about him; from every story I've heard about him, he seemed to genuinely be a really, really good guy who actually cared.
Rest In Peace
Many celebs could learn from him. May he be at peace
Got to meet him backstage of a show in Afghanistan. He played golf with a friend in my units parents and he had me go with him and we got to talk for a while before he went on and I can honestly say he was a warm and inviting person and didn’t seem like someone who had been to the top of stardom. I’ll never forget it
agree 100 %
Maybe that's one of the reason for his depression and suizide.
Cool video and all. But I really did NOT want to remember that Patrick Stewart played the poop emoji in The Emoji Moive.
And whose idea was it to cast him anyway? That joke/pun relies entirely on an American accent. Because it’s only Americans that say doodie instead of jyutee (though Australians often say jyudee, depending on their accent, and how carefully they’re speaking). It’s Americans that lose the “jy” sound. And the ye sound entirely. Like saying nooz instead of nyooz, eemoo instead of eemyoo (which is how it’s actually pronounced). That’s something particular to North American accents.
So why cast someone with a British RP accent? Or, why keep that joke in after you’ve cast someone with an accent that doesn’t work for the joke? I know it’s a small thing, but it bothers me.
When is society going to agree to forget that that movie ever existed?
Posting now in the hope you get this notification and another reminder that a British Knight played a turd. 😜😁
@@plkrtn HEY! uncool :(
Now I won't be able to get this out of my head for the next week.
Who the Hell is Patrick?
I had the wonderful opportunity to see Robin at a live show before he died, and he seemed so genuine. I have trouble remembering now exactly what jokes he told, what he said, what he did, but what I DO remember is how much fun he seemed to be having. He looked so at ease there on stage, telling jokes until people were crying from laughing so hard. It felt like he never stopped smiling.
Whenever I feel sad, I’ll pull up an old routine and just laugh for a while. Jumanji is one of my favorite comfort movies. I never had a personal connection to him, and I can’t claim to, but it felt like I lost a friend when he died. I remember, in the weeks and months after, thinking that I’d never again laugh like I did at Robin’s jokes.
Robin Williams was perfectly suited for voice acting, like, everything about him. Very different than more modern films with big stars in it.
I totally agree. Comedians tend to excel in voice acting, simply because most forms of stand up comedy and/or live action movie/tv comedy teaches you skill that translates well into voice acting. Give a comedian decent screentime and room to just play around in an animated movie will create the most memorable moments. (Call me a loser but Billy Crystal in Monsters Inc will never not make me laugh my ass off.) That's the difference between Oprah and Keegan Michael Key. Oprah's acting skill (which she does have) is not the type to translate to animation and she's only there to get adult butts into seats. Keegan Michael Key is a gifted comedian who really needs to stop taking roles in these shitty low budget animated movies because he deserves a vehicle where he's truly allowed to embody a character beyond what people immediately think of when they think of him. (The difference between a role like Joy from inside out and Angelina jolie in Shark tale.)
Wow that was venty. Sorry for spamming your comment. I just wanted to expand on the fact that comedians tend to be really good at voice acting lol
it's good that Disney generally doesn't do the cynical celebrity casting. like, with Wreck-It-Ralph, John C. Reilly and Sarah Silverman almost seem like the characters were designed for them, and they're both really good at voice acting. For Frozen they had the guts to have Elsa voiced by Idina Menzel, and the main male leads were Broadway actors. thinking about it, that's one of those things that still make Disney features special, even if they're not necessarily great. I'd take Tangled, or Wreck-It-Ralph, or Zootopia over almost any other release by a mainstream animated studio.
That man was such a blessing. He kept his morals straight. R.I.P.
As someone who worked on "Hercules," "Tarzan," and "Ferngully," (you can look me up in the IMDb), at the big meetings headed up by the execs, it would have been shocking to contrast the suits with the artists, except that we all understood how much money influenced things. Working for Disney was the first time I ever *NEEDED* to get a contract lawyer to go over those details. Never got to meet Mr. Williams though....sigh....
its like a black hole, get sucked in, and there is NO coming out.
Rip
really cool insight, I did in fact look you up and those movies were huge for me. Hercules is my fav disney movie lol thanks for your contributions to such lasting art :)
I was obsessed with ferngully as a kid. My name is Batty the logic is erratic.
Tarzan was the first movie I remember watching. I was 6 and it made me cry ( in the school I didn't care) bc it understood me, a child with a abusive mother, living with a stepfather molester, longing for anything to nurture me, protect me. it really didn't matter if his mother was a monkey, kids just want the love. I understood Tarzan. These movies make a huge impact on us, even if the adults now dont want to admit it. its sad that the artists has to deal with the suits to give this treasure to us, but just know that it matters, at least to me, it was everything.
There will never be another comedic actor like Robin Williams. Saying that , well known people have always been used in Cartoons , Voice overs. His 🧞♂️ Genie will always be The ONLY GENIE for me ❤️
I'd love to see Robin's stand up routine but animated with the Genie over it because that little 5 second clip was funny as hell.
There's a good college animation project idea for someone.
yep
The Genie live at the met!
@@deusexmachina101 Can you imagine a bigger fuck you to Disney the Genie talking about being a reformed alcoholic.
makes me think of those fan animatics people do to standup comedians but better
Genie really was one of the most visually impressive animated characters.
Eric Goldberg is a genius.
IS*
Will Smith got nothing over Robin Williams. All I hear in my head is "Will Smurf".
@@deanjamesy 7
@Killer Bee naruto sucks ass. and killer bee is by far the lamest character.
I think it should be stated, The Rock in Moana was good casting.
Oh GREAT casting!
I like how Disney Incorporated his real life heritage into his character because he's actually Samoan and he has tattoos just like the character Maui.
girl.
@@LindsayEllisVids she was good casting too. Actually everyone in the movie I remember was a good choice
$$$$$
I’ve just arrive to your work and I’m making myself a Sunday-treat with all the info, your knowledge, the laughs… an omg, I didn’t expect to cry out this much, this soon!
This man 💙
Someday I wish to love someone as much as Lindsay loves the clip of Jason Alexander saying "I'm losing to a bird!"
One day I will look into my future wife's eyes and wonder "Do I love her as much as Lindsay loves I'm losing to a bird?"
I think the Pocahontas "See how I glitter" is the epitome of those clips.
*see how I glitter*
"Genie, you're free"
These words will forever bring tears to my eyes. Robin Williams, you became a legend who was not only able to touch the hearts of those around you, but countless hearts around the world. Thank you.
I miss him, I miss him so much. If I ever have kids I'm definitely raising them on his movies.
Kinda ironic now that I think about it in the context of marketing :(
I'm surprised nobody had done suicide art with Aladdin saying that.
“I want to make it absolutely clear that we only violated the _spirit_ of the law.” - effectively Disney
The letter kills ,the spirit gives life. Thus " violating the spirit of the law " is a crime against justice. Not only that the very notion sounds blasphemous.
@@candacecasey5634 only if you're religious
@@SantaPorter420 Not really. There is a big difference between justice and the law. Just look at all of the loopholes companies find or all of the different ways the rich avoid paying taxes that they should be paying. A lot of the time it's legal but most people wouldn't call it fair or just.
Seph is pretty name
@@karateman302 her point is that it was blasphemous
Mine was only if you're religious
Non religious people care very little about blasphemy
As far as the law
There is the law, and there is morality, they rarely intersect
One thing we also got to remember: Many countries dub the movies in their own language for children. I didn’t even know Robert W. Played Genie in Aladdin before a few years ago, because the movie was in my native language.
Ending with a heartfelt speech from Robin. There was no other way to do it.
Apart from being highly informative, this video is a beautiful tribute to Robin Williams. Well done.
R.I.P Robin Williams 😞. We'll always have the memories
" Whats a paramecium brain? That!! That's a paramecium brain!!"
Party pooper -_-) Now I'm depressed.
I don’t think I’ll ever stop missing him. :(
If you have a soft heart no matter what your life If you have a harded heart your not alive Taoism or the natural way *
@@fadedtiger3181 If you have a soft heart you are of life If you have a hardened heart your not alive Taoism or the natural way
Ferngully also had Tim Curry!! And Tone Loc, and Christian Slater. Man. What a great movie. I realize this video is three years old, but I have no one else to brag about this to - so I'll scream into this void. I still know all the words to Batty Rap. I had the soundtrack on cassette tape (that's right). I was about 10 when this movie came out. I was obssessedddddddd.
Every time I remember that's Tone Loc it kinda cracks me up 😂
Also I had the tape as well and listened to Batty Rap on REPEAT before I even saw the movie and understood the context so man, I feel ya. A classic!! 😂😂
Same man!!! Loved it!! Hexus was the coolest villain
"...Aladdin is a Warner Bros film in Disney drag." Robin Willliams.
I miss him
That comment confused me cause there is plenty of drag in old Warner brothers cartoons
When he said that i thought of Animaniacs immediately and was surprised at how accurate the correlation is. I mean you have your Hellloooo Nurse moments that are similar to issues mentioned in the video, but it wasnt trying to be both things like a lot of Disney movies, it just was both things, educational, jokes for kids and for adults, content packed.
Is that good or bad?
And he is correct on. The gags, 4th wall breaks, the silliness... along with Disney modern traditional animation
As an animator myself, I am so happy that you also give the animator Eric Goldberg credit for his talent. He really captured Williams' voice beautifully in his animation of the Genie. People should think about the animationteam more often, in stead of only focusing on the voice-cast.
If people thought about the animation more, we would still have mainstream 2d animated movies somewhere other than Japan.
@@Horatio787 Well Netflix is willing to greenlight such films and I am developing scripts that I intend to send to Duncan Studios.
@@noahbossier1131 Well if that's true then great. I think I'm still considering it in terms of theatrical release, but the entire industry is moving past that as a necessary thing for a movie to be "legitimate" so I guess the rules are changing.
@@Horatio787 japan really loves drawing manga. They really passionate about creating a great manga/animation than give us a b+/just to get money animation.
But we have Marvel/DC comics in the us why we can not put them in cinema like what japan do to their manga?
@@benjamin0089 It's just a cultural thing. Animation is always a "Cartoon", but Reality TV is "mature."
Hearing all those dramatically read lists of famous actor names just makes me think... *_Too_* *_Many_* *_Cooks_* . . .
Oh god, now I HAVE to go watch it again. The theme started playing in my head.
Oh no.
@@Cybo-18 Do it, dooooo iiiit.
Please make the video.
@@AbMaSync I did it while at Chipotle. I have no regrets.
I think this was the very video that introduced me to the concept of video essays, and it’s been my favorite TH-cam rabbit hole since. All the best and good vibes Lindsay, whatever you do next.
RIP Robin Williams - today would have been his 69th birthday. Forever missed, forever remembered.
69... No doubt a number he would have capitalised on in his stand up.
Nice...respectively
If he were still alive and were acquainted with the memes, i assure you he would love every second of it. R. I. P. Robin, see you in whichever afterlife you are in
Nice 🥲❤️
Haha,69
I often forget Robin isn’t with us anymore. He was such an important part of my childhood and I miss him dearly.
Same. :(
You can thank divorce laws for that
Growing up in a country where english isn't the main language, Williams wasn't in my childhood as it did for the countries that do speak it, hell I've never even seen Alladin in english but it still breaks my heart to know he's not here anymore
@@SethTurnerPrinting divorce laws arent the Blame for someone's death, it was suicide. Dont be like that
@@SethTurnerPrinting What are you talking about? He committed suicide because he was losing his mind and body to Lewey Body Dementia.
"No matter what anybody says, you'll always be a prince to me."
Here come the waterworks.
A part of my childhood died when Robin past away. Such a kind and sweet man. I hope he's safe and happy where ever he is. R.I.P legend ❤
I was not expecting that to hit me the way it did and now I’m at work crying
"I'm free" is the line that just destroys me every time now.
This line, there is so much emotion coming from it, Oprah or Jason Alexander could never pull this line without sounding cheesy. It’s a thin line between sincerity and cheesiness, but Robin Williams nailed it.
I read the comment as was watching. Then the moment happened, by God, I actually cried
There's a Bartok film where Bartok teams up with an acting bear and a slinky snake girl to fight a witch and a dragon.
It was one of my favorite childhood cartoons. I didn't know that Bartok was from the animated film Anastasia until my late teens.
“I’m losing to a rug!” > “I’m losing to a bird!”
I mean, the Genie IS the much better Disney comic relief after all.
Way to summarize the entire video in one equation
THIS
I'll take a Rodney Dangerfield impression over some annoying gargoyle
@@IamMissPronounced a b,
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I want to see a Lindsay Ellis video essay that's actually about the Great Mouse Detective. Like, after all the jokes and references, what would that even be *like*?
I agree with this
Probably like a montage of the 200 bit times she talked about it in a billion different videos. lol
Watching The Great Mouse Detective for the first time recently was extreme freaking weird thanks to Lindsay. In a good way =)
YES! Please! My favorite youtuber covering my favorite Disney!
Yes
I'm so glad Robin stuck with Fern gully loved it as a kid.
Me too
Never heard of Ferngully until this video..
Same here. It's no masterpiece, but I enjoyed it. Disney just couldn't wait their turn and just try to force the situation.
I love ferngully! Present tense.
@@timmylong833 it's really good, you should watch it.
Weirdly enough…Anastasia was still one of my favs from that era. Imagine my thrilled surprise when (in my animation class…I’m a digital compositor) my teacher brought in ORIGINAL DRAWINGS of Bartok from when he worked on it back in the day. So cool!
God. I love Robin Williams so much. It breaks my heart that we'll never get more material from him. I literally sobbed when I found out he died. I've never had that reaction to any other celebrity except Carrie Fisher, but that's because Princess Leia was who I wanted to be when I grew up. Robin was a huge part of my childhood as well. His standup has been a staple of my adulthood. He's brought me so much joy in life. It felt like a close friend died
The best we can do now is enjoy his older movies, no matter how weird they can get.
I also cried when Alan Rickman died. He was incredible!
"it's [about] heart"
Well said.
RIP, Robin. We will always miss you.
@@dontcare7477 I mean... okay.
D T :( y tho
That part made me shed a tear I didn't even know was building
I miss him too. The end of the video made me cry.
"With art, people can tell when inspiration comes from a genuine place of sincerity,
rather than a place of corporate cynicism"
I couldn't have said that any better myself :)
Wow how did you do that ? I was scrolling through the comments and got to your comment at the exact moment she said that quote... This felt very very weird
Pretty presumptuous to claim in a broad sense.
I looked at the quote at the same time, too. Weird.
Maybe that's why Shrek is one of a kind. Big name actors, pop culture references, digs at Disney, but it's sincere. It was the dungeon where you got sent if you didn't behave with Prince of Egypt, and it was full of people saying "well screw you guys, let's do what we want" ... which is one of the big themes of the movie. It wasn't meant as a cynical cash grab (look to Shrek the Third for that), it was people making art in a certain style that they knew didn't exist in a cultural vacuum.
@@Hawx32 okay now I'M feelong weird. I had the exact same thing to happen, and i wanted to comment about it but u already did it...
Rest in peace Robin, you are sorely missed and so loved by so many. Your work lives on and keeps the laughter in our hearts.
"I'm losing to a bird" has a lot more meaning if it is about the gargoyle never reaching the same heights as the Genie.
In other words: he's losing to a Robin.
Nice
Did you put on sunglasses and listen to The Who when you wrote that? Because you should have.
Not to mention it's the same joke Genie used in Aladdin, just a thousand times less successful... "I'm losing to a rug."
I feel so stupid now. I just got it😂
Krokberg wow
I’m so happy about the return of “I’m losing to a bird!”
But this is genius. By quietly setting it aside and making other videos with catchphrases of their own, you can abruptly reintroduce it later and remind people of the video in which you first used it. Oh! I remember that video! I kind of miss it. I’ll go watch it again! And the cycle continues while she works on the next one.
SOMEBODY ONC...
Robin W: Hey Disney please don't commercialize my voice please.
Disney: _How about I do _*_anyway_*
That was a _choice_ Bill Wurtz reference.
Sorry, I'm dumb, but what reason might of he had to say no to Disney promoting him?
That's how mafia works
@Daniel Appleton understandable, yes, makes total sense, thank you.
stormRed1236 Solid History of Japan reference!
“[Genie] is like the old Warner Brothers cartoons except dressed in Disney Drag.” -Robin Williams
I love that line so much.
I find it very satisfying that Fern Gully still managed to be moderately successful even with the ridiculous amount of sabotage going on - in Australia particularly it was a pretty significant cultural touchstone of the 90s.
They even named a suburb after it
Well, it _does_ literally take place in Australia, so it was either that or become an even bigger laughingstock like what _Hercules_ was in Greece.
Yeah, I still love Fern Gully!
Fern Gully was a huge part of our childhoods....still is one of my favourite movies and I'm in my late 30s now. I watch it with my son all the time.
@@stevethepocket the Disney Hercules?
Oh snap, the bit with Aladdin saying goodbye to Genie. IT HURTS, MAN.
Just like with Ghost
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Popeye the Sailor could have been a smashing success if the writers could have decided if they were writing for children or adults.
They built an entire seaside village on Malta for the movie, and it's still there, because they never took it down and the Maltese hardly got paid so they made it an attraction of sorts.
It IS a smashing success. I re-watch it often, being myself both child and adult.
@@gotherecom child-ish dude here, and it is a great movie. though it can be confusing, its how it is!
Yeah that film is very tonally confusing.
the new bluray from Paramount, made me appreciate the movie even more as an adult. Sure it's flawed, but there's a certain charm to it.
Robin will always be remembered for the joy he brought to young and old in his performances. Totally one of the greats as a comedian! His films are funny and often have heart also. His interviews with talk shows are zany and bring on belly laughs like his stand ups did. I think they ranked him number 13 of the top 100 comedians of all time. We salute you Robin!
Anastasia was a pretty good film, I thought, in all fairness - most of Don Bluth's movies were and still are of an extremely high quality, heck, the man made his debut in his own studio after leaving disney in the 70's cause he didn't agree with their 'cutbacks' they were making to their movies at the time, saying it killed the quality of their animations. But yeah, Disney fucked over Williams royally with Aladdin and although the rennaisance age in the nineties to early 2000's is still recognised as one of their finest decades, the out of place comic relief characters kinda grind at you in p;laces (except perhaps Mushu from Mulan and Phil from Hercules, but that's just cause they didn't feel like they deviated from the films too much).
Right? I get almost every point made in this video but I don't understand the hate for the voice cast. Maybe she never saw it until she was older. I saw it when it came out and I was seven. I didn't have a clue who the actors were before that and I don't find them miscast at all. Still don't see that. I'm lost as to why they were supposedly such bad choices, especially considering how beloved the film is to this day.
@@mackenziewalz4056 Totally agree with you here! I kind of went searching in the comments for someone who felt the same way about it that I do 😅 I understand if it's just a matter of how old you are when you see a film, because I truly don't feel that the voice actors are discordant with the characters they portray
Mallory Holt It absolutely does. Like, to me, Williams IS Genie. Every other role came afterward in my life, and while I love him in everything I've seen (standup, Fern Gully, Mrs. Doubtfire, Deat Poet's Society, Good Will Hunting, World's Greatest Dad), he'll always get his start as Genie in my heart. All because of my age of exposure. The trouble with art is that these things are hard to quantify. Who decides whether someone is miscast? You can make arguments but it's ultimately pretty subjective.
In Hercules, every single character was subject to a goofy and lighthearted tone, so any "comedy relief" character was really just another addition.
In Mulan, while there are serious characters, there are a bit more silly additions like Chi-Fu or the three soldiers that helps Mulan
@@mackenziewalz4056 Totally agree with you I was also 7 or 8 when it came out and didn't know any of the actors. Not only do they fit the movie to me but I think some of the songs in the movie are pretty good (like the one Rasputin sings) ... As a child I found this genuinely scary and thrilling. I've rewatched it as an adult now and I still think it's a good movie. So yeah.
I was sadly astonished to NOT see anything in the credits of the remake of Aladdin that said "To the Memory of Robin Williams".
But after watching this video, now I understand why. Shame!
R.I.P Robin Williams...
@@cultistoftheboar7782 Damn! I had No IDEA this comment had so many likes! At least I wasn't the only one. Thanks Guys!
Tom_E Calm_7 doesn't this video end with Disney and Robin Williams ending on good terms?
He died several long years ago, films don't really do that. Posthumous commemorations are usually reserved for when the person died during, or right after the film was made, not five years on, when his work was not used in the remake at all.
Don Rickles was mentioned at the end of Toy Story 4 because he died right before he was set to record his lines. They scavenged his work from the last three films and were able to still use his voice in the film.
I remembered the day after he died they played Aladdin on Disney Channel and dedicated it to him
Robin Williams did it for $70,000!?
Jesus, that probably doesn't cover the costs for the Avengers' catering today.
When it came down to it, Williams was a saint.
Also keep in mind inflation. Money becomes more worthless every day because we have a fractional reserve debt-based fiat money system designed to enslave us.
@Chris Anagn. yeah! call him/her Lenin, that would make what he/she said untrue
It shows that he really didn't care about getting paid. He just cared about making people laugh.
@@makmanaman5415 It was a joke poking fun at the guy for bringing a borderline irrelevant serious topic into a relatively non-serious youtube comment thread. r/wooosh
Even though the Prince of Egypt has some important actors it is a masterpiece and I really think it is one of the best movies out there
and the soundtrack by whitney houston and mariah carey is beautiful
Robin Willaims was a man who made us laugh and cry. Even though he's no longer with us, we all still love and miss him.
Think about it this way...Even tho he is not here anymore, that man has the power to make you laugh and cry even from beyond the grave. That my peeps is real inmortality
He’s our family guy
Robin Williams was the first and only celebrity death that rocked me to my core. Genie, Mrs. Doubtfire, Mr. Keating were characters who were truly uplifting and transformative to me. I miss him still.
Same. This includes Phil Hartman, Michael Jackson, Bernie Mac, and Stan Lee for me. I was too young to comprehend the former, but reading up on his work and how he died saddens me to this day.
It was the same for me. I felt sad for other celeb deaths, but Robin's death is the one that hit the hardest.
so you didn't feel anything when Michael jackson die? Stan lee?David Bowie? You are pitiful.
Steve Irwin's death probably hit me the hardest. Watching his shows had such an impact on me when I was younger. Also Chester Bennington's death hit me really hard. His music got me through a lot when I was at dark times in my life. Sometimes I'm still shocked that he's gone. I hate mental illness. It takes too many good people.
I grew up watching films with him, Aladdin was one of my favorites even before I realized it was his voice. I don't remember ever crying as hard as when I found out he was dead. I locked myself in the bathroom and still makes me tear up whenever I think of the impact his films have had on my life
Re: your take on Return of Jafar how very dare you
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Or just make a video about how Return of Jafar was the very best of Disney animation.
I'm fine either way.
Years ago she had put it on the "least bad Disney Sequels" list, at number 5 if I remember right. And Aladdin and the King of Thieves came in at number 2.
@@Blokewood3 I forgot about that.
Thing that frequently gets forgotten about the Return of Jafar is that it was created as a combination pilot/promotional tool for the Aladdin television series...
Kingdom Hearts did a better version of Return of Jafar than Return of Jafar did for itself.
Your voice over work here is spot on and the writing is hilarious. Can’t wait to check out more of your content!
It's soooo nice to see someone who is appropriately critical of Disney while also enjoying it for what it is. I wasn't sure it could be done and now I feel so validated.
I believe Moana shows this point well.
The Rock could have been a cash grab but he did so well to subvert this. He fitted the role so well.
oh yeah. the way he spoke did such a great job of subverting merchandising.... so fucking dumb.
Pretty sure he is also of islander decent too
The tooth fairy wasn't a cash grab?
@@brotherloops that he is
The big dude with the tattoos was an asshole, and his "apology" at the end meant nothing.
I really enjoyed Eddy Murphy as mushu tho.
I feel like he really fits that roll.
I could also be biased cuz Mulan is my favorite movie
Not the point of the video
@@KidSnivy69 ok damn, I know, I watched the video too, I was just making a comment
I know what you mean. I feel the same way about Danny DeVito as Phil and John Mulaney as Spider-Ham (brilliant
I agree. There's also the simple fact that voice acting is a specific talent that not all actors can do. Comedians are probably a little more likely to be good at it, so we see more successful comedic portrayals than dramatic ones.
Williams and Murphy also have extremely recognizable voices. Oftentimes the point of having a celebrity in an animated movie is lost on me because I struggle to connect their voice to their face. Or I do recognize them but only because they are extremely famous (Will Smith), not because they have an affecting voice.
Yeah, Mushu was better done then many of the sidekicks.
Thank you. This was a tribute to a fantastic talent and a man of principals. I miss you Robin Williams. Miss you very much.
Every time I hear Robin speak with sincerity it makes my heart melt
Fun fact.. almost 90% of robin williams lines in the movies where his own improv. His lines where WAY funnier.. so they kept them.
RIP. Robin Williams. We miss you
Were**
TheLolipopTroop lol. Fkin autocorrect.
“90%” lol I would like to see your sources
“Hey what time is it”
“Hey what’s the time”
That’s not improv, if that’s why for you it adds up to 90%
Why would you spread lies? Don’t lie about a dead man, that’s a little bitch move.
Santiago Quintero dick head. Go watch the documentary on it. I have. Over a dozen times. I’m not talking bad about my hero... in stating FACTS. And I’m also stating he was so amazing that they let him basically improv a lot of scenes that they kept.
Damn fuckwit. That got away from you didn’t it.. fucking moron
Santiago Quintero here’s a quote for ya kiddo. Whilst it doesn’t mention 90% specifically.. let’s call tht hyperbole from me... it represents the spirit of what I said..
Robin Williams improvised a lot while making Aladdin. A lot. Like a looooot. Because the filmmakers wanted Williams’ manic energy and natural hilarity in order to bring the Genie to life, they let the actor go hog wild in the studio. A gifted mimic and impressionist, Williams would perform certain lines multiple times, flitting between doing them as celebrities like Groucho Marx, Peter Lorre, and W.C. Fields in rapid succession. At the end of filming, Williams had recorded 16 hours of improvised material on top of his normal dialogue
That’s taken directly from the interview about the movie and robin williams part... seriously... look it up.. then open your mouth. Until then.. stfu about subjects you know nothing of.
i can't believe it's been almost FIVE YEARS since Robin left us. :( "You'll always be a prince to us...."
Still not over it personally. :(
SirPaladin My heart just cried
@@michaelstrong5383 I don't think we'll ever be.
I read this, audibly sighed thinking "Shit, has it really been half a decade already?" stopped and had to really think...
I'm not one to get overly emotional about celebs, normally I think "That's a shame" and feel bad for their actual loved ones- but Robin Williams was definitely different in that aspect. I read that comment and all I could think was it had to be more like only a year ago 'cause the idea of what lead to his death still hurts like it's new news.
Nope. He was such a good person that the sadness that came from his passing still hits home, and I'm talking as someone who has had way too many people I actually loved and knew pass. He's one of a very few deaths of someone I didn't personally know, that actually makes me feel like I got my wind knocked out of me to this day.
...well there’s another punch to the heart.
The ending brought a tear in the corner of my eye. I'm glad Disney decided to make it up with Robin Williams. He was such a great performer and such a good person.
"Disney doesn't shoehorn actors into roles anymore based on their starpower"
*looks at live action Beauty and The Beast, shudders*
She probably meant the animated ones
All the live action versions of the animated classics are shameless cash grabs. Disney does still make great pieces of art, but the remakes aren't the place to look for it
She was taking about Walt Disney Animation Studios not Walt Disney Pictures.
She must have meant the animated movies, not the “shitty live action remakes”
Emma Watson slayed that role wym
As a voice actor who always treasured Williams it really means a lot to me that he explicitly didn't want to be used as marketing for the movie. Famous film actors are constantly used this way, in both animation and video games, taking the work away from their VO peers who have dedicated just as much time, energy and money into their craft (which is notably a different beast entirely - Williams was incredibly talented in both screen and voice acting but they are completely different fields, and plenty of screen actors do not have the training to do voice acting (and visa versa). Whether or not Williams recognized the dangerous precedent he could be setting with Aladdin or not, I respect him greatly for setting that boundary and expressing his frustration with that boundary being crossed.
I think Robin respected voice actors. He certainly seemed to respect animation.
Over-all, I think he is a man who gives respect and understands respect, and will always make sure to do his best no matter the role.
Should mention Terry Gilliam respected Robin Williams' wishes, and credited him as "Ray D. Tutto".
Jonah Falcon LoL but we all knew who that flying head was.
@@mrfivegold Jack Nicholson refused to be mentioned on the poster for Broadcast News, only appearing in the normal closing credits.
Ferngully was my absolute favourite movie as kid, I wish it got more acknowledgement at the time for how great it was.
Starting from 22:52 to the end, that really killed me. When Robin began saying that, " Because when you get to a certain point, you say; What are you going to leaving behind if it's movies like this I say great." It's true. Even though he's gone, Robin's passion and life and his career still live on thanks to his movies and roles that either make us laugh or tear up.
When Aladdin began saying that he was gonna miss Genie, it's basically the people who he has inspired who deeply miss him.
*"No matter what anybody says, you'll always be a prince to me"*
Because of your Hunckback video, my wife and I constantly shout, "I'm losin to a bird!" Thanks for working in that clip 3 more times.
See how i glitter~
"I'm losin' to a rug!"
Comin' back to this video after the Mario movie by Illumination got announced like, an hour ago. Just to confirm my extremely rigid and weirdly specific biases of voice acting in animated movies. Thank you Lindsay~
Same. As soon as I saw the announcement I thought of this video. God I wish we could go back.
found this video today but I immediately thought of the announcement of the Mario movie
Yeah same
It released and everyone went to see it in suits 🧑🏻💼
@@brkh96 They said Mario movie. Not minions movie.
Some of those you named may not be big stars to the 2022 social media crowd, but they were actually big stars at the time. Jerry and Dame Angela were known for their stage work, Dame Angela had 5 Tonys before BATB, as well as very successful TV careers. Bob Newhart, Eva Gabor, & Geraldine Page had great careers, too. Not to mention Dame Angela's movie career and past work with Disney. People knew Kurt Russell because of the many Disney movies that he did, and Mickey Rooney and Pearl Bailey were well known, too.
Sadly Disney has relied too much on big name stars and politics instead of putting their focus into the scripts lately. Hocus Pocus 2 was terrible. The Santa Clauses is terrible. I'm not holding my breath for Willow either.
The thing with Robin was, you knew it was him, but he was SO good at improv and giving the characters within his character of the Genie substance that you forget it was Robin Williams. You just loved the Genie. We don't have that anymore. We just have very recognizable actors voicing animated characters for big dough and big publicity.
Robin Williams is the only celebrity I can actually say I loved. His characters were never "put on", they emerged from inside. And I fell in love with that frenetic, vulnerable soul who only wanted to see me laugh. My life has been filled with pain, so was his. We came from the same place. Without Robin and his genuine genius I would have been hard pressed to get this far. I miss him like I miss my own family.
For me it's him and heath ledger.. I guess with heath it was (also) the fact that he realized too late that actual 'fame' wasn't what he really wanted, it was just honest admiration for his craft. Just as with Robin Williams. They both just wanted to entertain, touch and connect with people. I guess that's why both of their deaths stung so deep with me. They were such genuienley good guys stuck in a medium that didn't really offer what they actually wanted even though they hoped it would.
Nobody:
Jason Alexander:"IM LOSING TO A BIRD"
Why does it hurt so much?
That should legit be a meme lmao
@@TheRavenMask i don't remember that episode of Seinfeld.
TheRavenMask
Because it was real.
Nobody:
Genie as Rodney Dangerfield: "I can't believe it, I'm losing to a rug!"
Just ran into this video and I’ve gotta say this was well done and beautifully made. Bravo! 🎉
I have no doubt that this video would have made Mr. Williams' day.
I loved The Rock as Maui because you could tell that all parties were passionate about the project, even if he isn't the greatest singer or anything, I still enjoyed his performance.
The Rock was so excited to play Maui and you could just tell, the entire movie. I really enjoyed that
Yeah and the reason it kinda worked is that, in contrary of what Lindsay may say, the writers of Moana DID have The Rock in mind while writing him.
@@shawneeseguin2551 absolutely
@@shawneeseguin2551 Yeah, 'You're Welcome' was specifically written after the Rock was cast *because* it was the Rock. Lin-Manuel Miranda even said "...who else can pull off the lyric, 'you’re welcome', and still have you like him?"
the rock was great as Maui and especially Jemaine Clement as tamatoa
And as some European that grew up with dubs, this whole celebrity thing did not really matter. Great vid btw.
I encourage you to watch the English version and decide for yourself.
I relate as a spanish native
Which is why I make it a point always to watch any movie in its original language, and consider myself lucky to have grown up in a European country where dubbing was something that happened to bootleg VHS tapes, not cinema or television (sadly, that's no longer necessarily the case for TV)...
@@natejames3299 I think the Person meant that here in Europe Disney couldn't use the celebrities to promote the movie since other voices were used
Attila Asztalos I mean I didn’t speak or understand English when I was a kid. I agree that watching a movie in its original language is crucial, but if you simply don’t speak the language, it’s better than to not watch it at all.
This was really good. My only arguments would be that I think those of us who were around 10 when Popeye came out still hold a fondness for the movie. I'll still often send my sister the video clip of the old man saying, "Someone owes him an apology.". I would also argue World According to Garp was the first Williams movie that got him recognized as a serious actor. Finally, I would argue that the Care Bear Movie was Bluth's first big hit in 1986 and not Anastasia more than 10 years later. Still nice work here though.
This is honestly one of my favorite videos from this channel now. Such a fantastic exploration of a part of animation history that no one ever talks about.
I mean, I know half of us are waiting for a GoT post-mortem, but this was wonderful.
**wheezing**
I'm hoping for a hobbit level of investigation. Like she travels to Greenland, Morocco. And every other location they filmed at
You wanna hear some stories? Talk to any animation student who has had an ex disney instructor (if you no access to the ex disney instructor, or just ex disney animation person).
@@d.rabbitwhite where do I find these people? Like I don't know anyone who studies/studied animation
@@thematman92 Well, if you live in a town with animation studios - there are likely schools feeding these studios, and likely old timers to folks now, that teach, that have experience working for many people.
If there are pubs near to the studios, they may go there for group meals.
Go to an animation school. Or look up books on animators or by animators...
Or some Lindsay Ellis class investigation.