The Illusion of Famous Friendships
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2024
- Today, we dive into the complex dynamics of online friendships that have captivated audiences. Can true friendship thrive in the business context that is social media influencer, or will it cause the inevitable downfall of a relationship? Perhaps what we saw was a group, that was never truly friends to begin with. Join us as we unpack the reality behind the seemingly perfect bonds displayed online and the lessons we can learn from their failures.
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I think Rhett and Link are a good example of an adult friendship. They were super close growing up and are still friends to this day. However, outside of work they don’t spend a lot of time together. Not because they’re not friends anymore but because life is busy with wives and kids etc. It doesn’t mean they aren’t friends anymore it has just transformed as their lives have transformed. Mutual respect is so important in this type of relationship. They exemplify this.
Outside of the internet, I can think of Adam and Jamie from Myrthbusters or Penn and Teller. Adam and Jamie aren't close in real life, and pretty much have had enough of each other after working together for so many years. But hey respect each other and that's what made the working environment so good. When you spend that much time with somebody else, you have to disengage and have a private life. Same with Penn and teller, Penn says that Teller's meticulousness would drive him mad if they spend every waking moment together.
reminds me of cody and noel too
they've also talked very openly about how they handle potential bad vibes. Link has talked on several podcasts about how he felt a little worried and left out at first when Rhett started making music, but instead of making some needless dramatic online beef they just talked through their feelings off camera. I really respect how level headed they approach everything in their career/friendship.
Growing up watching Rhett and link, I was so jealous of their friendship. They really are one of the good, real ones there. I still remember their story of the river when they were kids
this comment broke my heart
Ian and Anthony are an interesting example of were close friends, the business kinda killed their friendship and then off camera they rekindled their friendship
Yeah I was surprised they weren't included in the video!
@@KiaraLioness they were out in the open about their dynamic so it was likely too easy
I really want someone to do a deep dive into Ian Hecox's relationship with Melanie Moat
She was either still 17 or had just turned 18 when he met her in person for the first time, and their online relationship began on a fan forum when she was a minor
I had a Disney channel guy in all girl friend group dynamic in high school. He wasn’t gay, he and his sister were Irish twins and in the same grade. He was quiet and introverted so he stuck with us and it was just the girls and Sam all four years of high school.
haha that sounds like derry girls
derry girls vibes
Was his sister in the group of friends?
Lol, ✨🌸the girls 🌸✨, and Sam
Its giving me, my brother, and his female best friend... He was adopted, and we were in the same school year- so we ended up with a very similar vibe ❤
I thought everyone knew Ethan and Trisha weren’t friends. They may have said they felt like friends, but I don’t feel they respected each other as people as much as they should’ve. Though they are funny together, they are always at odds. And not just in a surface level. They were always jabbing at each other and they dislike lots of the things the other has to say or believes. And the family stuff is a little messy and I feel put a wedge between them too.
They are technically family through marriage the only reason they aren't talking due to their spouses not being cool with each other which is sad
Yeah fr they were enemies before anything lmao
Honestly as someone who's watched every episode, I believe that despite all their disagreements, and although it started out as them being like "amicable enemies" I did get the idea that Ethan did truly come to see Trisha as a friend, idk about the other way around. But I think that that friendship *becoming* real is what led to the podcast's downfall because the jabs start feeling more personal once you actually become a bigger part of each others lives and it's not just content beefing. The family stuff obviously making it significantly worse.
@@RubenDelight I agree, i've been watching the h3 podcast since maybe a month before frenemies and i think the antagonistic nature of the show stopped them from being genuine friends, because Trisha never felt safe with Ethan constantly poking at her, and Ethan felt he couldn't confide in her because of her tendency of spilling things she's been told. They didn't establish boundaries properly before starting the show. I was someone who watched that first episode when they were talking about money and Trisha didn't really understand how things were going to be divided up and i said to myself "That's going to be an issue if they don't make sure she understands what's going on from the get go" so i was not surprised at the 5% blow up sadly. I have things to say about how both of their personality types play into this, but people generally arent interested in that lol
I remember there was this clip where Trisha said she felt they were friends and then questioned if they were. I feel like it was just Trisha that was genuine, not Ethan
I feel like this phenomenon traces back to the peak of mtv and their interviews with bands. These interviews often depicted the band as a tight knit crew that were inseparable, which explains why the members’ solo endeavors were far less successful. Often these inseparable groups initially had that respect for each other but grew apart as their income/yes men/drug habits fed their egos. With TH-camrs and podcasters there are usually less drugs involved, but the hubris appears nonetheless
Perfectly said!
It’s odd because whether or not we are friends, we need other humans to survive. It’s almost like friendship evolved to help us stay around people bc we can’t always be the best predictors of when we are going to need people. I think bonds can be so tenuous when encountering stressors because most relationships would need to have a pure, unbiased foundation to rely on as a base to keep them solid and in tact before encountering any incentives or pressures that survival implies, and that’s just nearly impossible to find.
Like, to have a pure, rock solid friendship you’d have to have chosen each other from a ton of other options, none better than the other, and then choose your friend based on their personality alone. _Then_ you’d have to spend years nurturing that friendship and building trust _and_ history before you could ever challenge it. Then the first few times it was challenged, both parties would have to make the right move out of a vast array of options, the best one for the friend to solidify trust in them. This relies heavily on the perception, empathy, integrity and similarity in values of both parties and the value to which they hold that relationship and in part, luck. Very unique and rare conditions to forging an incorruptible bond.
More commonly, it’s a lot “safer” and definitely easier to find ones where we just let our own self interest and the mutually assured self interest of others work as a building block. So if, like jenga, if enough of those blocks exist as a _foundational_ structure and enough of them are pulled out (removed as features) the whole thing topples. If they come later and are lost, it’s more likely to stand. It’s why you can reconcile after some fights and not others, has the relationship suffered a loss of a fundamental feature? If a bandmate becomes more of a liability than a benefit, these losses are too foundational and their drug problems negate them entirely, unless you need them more than they need you (or you think you do). If the reward is less than the cost, people rarely are so bonded that they will endure personal cost at another’s expense (again, unless they have high insecurity or high risk/fear of consequences)
It’s how more insecure people are easier to take advantage of, because they have a lower threshold to reach personal “gains” from relationships. It’s also why most hetero (and many non-hetero) women born before 1970 (and some after) were probably low key prisoners in their marriages, and at the very least forced to contribute more energy and effort into enriching the husband’s life than he had to put into enriching hers. Even now, women do more domestic labor and carry the majority of the emotional burden in hetero relationships, they spend more time and energy being concerned with the man’s day to day experiences and level of satisfaction than her own (am I pretty enough? don’t be a nag. he’s got a work trip next month, so I’ll make sure we know where the suitcases are, etc) keeping women powerless in society keeps them “agreeable” at home.
rug roh my feminism barged in again
Rhett and Link always make me smile with how close they are. It's such a good example of how male friendship (and anyone else too) should be
Offline friendships are the same it's just not public
I probably should change the title
They mean non-public friendships... The people referenced in the video are in person friends, they don't only speak online lol @@Alexander_Grant
Work friends and/or inlaws!! Lol same thing- you kinda have to wear a "goodgirl best behaviour/professional" mask...it's EXHAUSTING😂😭😭
I wish you would have touched on Cody Ko and Noel Miller, I feel the duos you mentioned were very surface level. But Cody and Noel have a difficult relationship to read , personally I’m leaning more towards them not being close friends off camera but there is just as much argument on both ends of their dynamic.
i think they used to be close friends, but they’ve grown apart over the years
Yeah they've grown apart a lot. I wonder if they've talked about quitting doing TMG.
They didn’t go to each other’s weddings which was interesting
I think they're friends tbh. They used to be closer, but they grew apart / spend less time with each other, but they still have mutual respect for one another. Which is also considered as friends. I don't think it's bad that they are not stitched to the hip together. They still regard each other with affection but with boundaries.
@@erinrod4246 No. Cody wasn't invited to Noel's wedding. But Noel and Aleena were present in Cody's wedding. I think it says more about the type of person Noel is, much more than the type of friendship they have tbh. Which is not surprising. Noel always seems a bit more distanced and detached than the average person. Cody and Kelsey practically invited everyone to their wedding.
I think Brittany Broski has "chemistry" with damn near everyone bc she's magnanimous & charismatic
Except she and Sara Schauer even fell out, and they were marketing themselves as really great friends :/
@lilmissgearhead
1. That has nothing to do with what OP said
2. Falling out has no bearing on 2 people's connection. You can genuinely love someone and get on great but life happens sometimes.
And annoying
I’m not really into influencers. But she is an exception. She is soooooo funny.
Facts Brittany is so funny she oozes charm and you feel like she's being genuine with everyone
Oh that Bill Burr interview was PAINFUL...lol ohmygod I would just die inside if one of my fave comedians and I didn't click- NEVER MEET YOUR HEROES!!😂😭
people who say "never meet your heroes" have bad heroes
Or. Don't idolise or think of somebody you don't even know as your hero
Context? Was Ethan a big fan of Bill?
Rhett and Link just have this authenticity you can feel their heart and they are great people
It’s too bad they aren’t Christian anymore
I blame the friends show for making people thinking they needed to see their friend group daily into their late 20s. It’s just not sustainable.
Yeah, and as someone who sees their friend maybe once or twice a month, I fee like the few times I get to see them make me appreciate them more
@@monroe7532 exactly! Absolutely. Even if you’re not traditional you go on and create your own life and your own story updating your pals and sometimes including them along the way. And same for them. It is so healthy and how it was always meant to be after high school it’s strange but I understand college life has changed and helped people in good and bad ways stay in the highschool dynamic. But it’s crazy when people see team 10 /david dobrik type vibes and think that it’s real or healthy in anyway. One awful example is Jason Nash. If poor guy had focused on his family and career rather than being the side charector always around for anything for a slice of clout he would be way happier than he is now. :( kind of sad actually.
@@monroe7532absolutely, absence makes the heart grow fonder right! I have adhd, object permanence issues really impact relationships for me. I get so focused on the barely put together life I’m managing that I often forget to text back or call. Sometimes I just get so overstimulated that I need days to myself. My friends mean so much to me, but I will never put anybody above myself…I simply don’t have that much selflessness. When I see them a few times a month, some of them are so predictable. This one’s gonna cry about her boyfriend, this one hates the other, this one brought her 7th new boyfriend along. It’s in those moments that I realize how important time apart is. It’s easy to tolerate annoyances when you hardly see them lol.
I'd like to draw attention to the dynamic of Red Letter Media. Mike and Rich have have been friends since high school, while Jay has known the two since they first began working collaborating on long form films back in the early 90's.
I personally think that since none of the Red Letter Media crew see themselves as influencers or even celebrities in general, their interactions feel a lot more genuine. It's just a bunch of people united by their admiration of film, be it good or bad and over a decade of supporting each other both on and off screen.
That’s why best of the worst works so well. Not only do you feel the perspective of sitting at the table but you feel like you’re sitting there watching a bad movie with them. They’re great.
@@berserk4souls Agreed. I'll also add that Josh, Jack, Tim, the Candians and Macaulay Culkin
provide both great complementary personalities and great foils to Mike, Jay and Rich.
I recently lost a friendship with someone I thought I was close with. This video honestly opened my eyes so much.
Why opened?
@@veruskatorres9276 I thought I was the problem and reason why it ended, turns out our friendship wasn't what I thought it was. Honestly it's for the better
@@Jeskers18 Lol.
@@AA-ed6ek what's funny?
This just happened to me too. I hope you’re feeling better 🫂 I am struggling a bit with processing it all but I know soon enough I’ll be alright. Especially because deep down I know it was for the better that it ended.
And the true purpose for the video is revealed: so Donna can humble brag that John Cena follows her on Twitter! ;)
Lmao I brag about it too, it’s probably one of the most exciting things that happened to me that year
@@VVesteria Brag away! I don't know if I'd be able to shut up about it if he followed me! XD
Cena follows everyone
Bro who is this John cena? I checked her twitter and didn’t see him and then I googled him and there was just pictures of the red carpet or like a street or just a white background with nothing in it. Who is this person
@@sleepyidiot2010Crazy! I can't see this guy either? Is it some arg maybe?
I feel like Hank and John Green are a different thing to TH-cam friendships since they're related and do business adventures together outside of making videos (i.e. creating vidcon).
Dan and Phil are my BOIS their random stories got me through so many shitty times at school
The old pics of Rhett and Link are so wholesome ❤
you make such excellent documentaries. this one made me think long and hard about my own friendships, past, present, etc. v. interesting content as usual!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I feel like with people who can have good chemistry with each other it couuuld develop into a solid friendship. People with online personas probably have so much going on in their personal lives they keep their interactions surface level or treat it like it’s part of the job. It’s kinda like a coworker friendship. It could be lasting or you could go separate ways completely imo.
The Bobby Lee stuff made me SO uncomfortable. I feel bad for George
I had a two girls and 1 guy friendship - still going strong even tho we all move to different countries. He is not gay or has a crush in any of us, we trauma bounded to be honest - is pretty rare to find a friend group like that
not to distract from the point but seeing a video of Trisha&Ethan by "Donna" made me thinks his Mom was calling them out lol Great vid as always.
The inlaws who arent talking right now
I think the section about power imbalances not making a good friendship helped me understand why I feel weird when my mom is forcing to be her best friend, when I'm her kid. I feel like I can better explain that to someone now aside from ‘but you're my mom.’
people come together to gather resources and friendships can happen from that
dan and phil's relationship is so sweet to me. the fact they met online like 15 years ago and now they live in a house they built together just filming silly little gaming videos is crazy to me. say whatever you want about soulmates but thats literally the only explanation for them 😭😭
To anyone who's gonna get mad about ships: Platonic soulmates exist too ❤ their souls are truly meant to know each other
This video made me rethink a lot about Chemistry v. Friendship. I guess it is true that having chemistry doesn't necessarily mean forming friendships. Chemistry is just having really good time interacting with each other. But then this made me think that perhaps I prefer finding people who I have chemistry with, much more than actual friends lmao? Some of my most memorable memories are unexpected times where I just had a blast, the time of my life, spending time with some people I knew. Do others get what I mean? If anything dead friendships, where over time it becomes increasingly clear that my friends and I have grown into very different people, are what I dislike the most. So maybe hanging out with people you have mutual chemistry with is what we're supposed to be doing?
Conspiracy confirmed: Donna is best friends with John Cena. Always knew it.
The mental image of Donna and John Cena getting ice cream together made me cackle hard enough to wake up my sleeping girlfriend.
You always make videos on unexpected, yet interesting topics. Much appreciated!
Dan and Phil aren't just friends they are soulmates 💜
I just lost a very close friend. This timing is very particular
Man I miss the PsychIRL branding, didn't even realize this was the same channel.
I'm almost 36 and a mom. I'm just speaking on what I know and what I know to be true is other moms and women my age complain about having no friends, but then actively behave in ways that won't make them friends. I can't tell you how many women/moms I've tried to meet up with or hang out with and they just don't want to. I would say it's me but they don't even give you the chance. It's really hard making friends. I blame social media for a lot of why people are the way they are.
Fun video! First Donna vid for me! Great editing and flow!
this is like the tiktok rizz party breakdown
Go go go go
If you spend hours every day together working, even if you want to be friends outside of work nobody wants to spend all their time with just their work colleagues there needs to be time for other people as well
I fw you Donna! Your videos always show up when I need something to watch!
Donna!!! Long time I haven’t seen you in my feed! Happy to see a new video 🎉
I clicked on this so fast!! Your videos are my fav!!❤❤❤
oooh another banger, thank you!!!
Thank you for as always, a wonderful and thoughtful video. As someone who married my childhood best friend (and deconstructed with him twenty- some years later), I often feel like I can tell when two people are particularly code. I loved hearing you talk about that,
Why did this video make me conclude that I've never had friends... 😭😭
ugh same 😭
Oh man, getting into youtube with friends is rough. Because there's a definite disconnect between what every person wants out of the channel. I tried it with my buddies and it definitely strained things. Doing things on my own was way better, both for me and the friendship.
Not this video making me completely reevaluate my real life friendships
I have actually had three separate friendship group where it was 2 girls and 1 guy! So it does happen. But the guy and the other girl did end up dating each other 2/3 times.
I think the best example is abs & preach everyone thinks they’re good friends when they’re co workers and just good ppl so they don’t F each other over and are loyal
My best friends live far away from me. I just don't connect a lot with people in my aream always felt like an outsider. I feel like I was meant to live somewhere else.
RDC World is one of the few instances of famous people having real friendships.
I ask myself all these questions from the intro but without the mentions of business and youtube lmao
Rhett and Link are the most wholesome people on the internet.
Amazing lighting and set up D!
I was definitely that guy who had a crush on one of the girls 😅 Why did you call me out so dam* hard 😭😭😭
This was like the IPOS drama where he thinks following was a form of a friendship.
i feel like that was just the drizzle of olive oil on top of a fully formed sh1t sandwich lol
I think u should make a next video of the fine brothers and their downfall, later they sold their own channel to another company (electric monster)....
And finally, Donna, we get to the point of the video. JOHN CENA FOLLOWS YOU ON TWITTER?!
I’d like to hear your thoughts on things like: Rhetoric, specific fallacies/arguments like tu quoque or conservative bias (as in, beliefs being further solidified when ppl are confronted with irrefutable evidence to the contrary, I read this wasn’t replicable, what’s up with that?), what’s the deal with that Colleen thing, what do people want from her? Is the best way to interact with minors (ha, Minor is also my last name tho) to completely avoid them? I don’t really know much about the TH-camr drama stuff, that’s honestly one of the top 3 reasons I watch your channel is to learn about who the heck these people are and what ppl watch them for and how public opinion can change so sharply, and why. I’m so much more informed bc of you.
Love the channel, Donna!
now that we’re here what do y’all think happened between sarah schaur & brittany broski? 😳
i lowkey can’t help but feel sarah was in the right with how brittany’s been acting on socials lately
Hey good video. I don´t know if this has been addressed before, but why the change to your name rather than psychIRL? asking from genuine curiosity.
fwiw I do remember her OG videos were always from a psychology heavy perspective, it seems like she's moved away
I'm one of these long distance friends that punches air. That said these friendships last years this far. But it sucks so much I can't visit them or meet them... Different countries 😢
There's an interesting thing happening between tiktok friends also, it's even more fake than anything on TH-cam. TH-camrs at least discuss their videos and in fact communicate during filming and transferring (travel blog for example) a lot.
Los Angeles TikTokers (fighting for being booked in acting industry) seem to be doing as much collaboration as possible with each other while their dance is just flip flop clapp jump run then caption it as "with me bestie @" That's hilarious.
Donna, your videos are great! ❤
I think there's definitely a level of friendships. I did feel like I had somewhat close relationships with friends that I don't talk to anymore. A lot of them was just people I met through work or group events I went to. But then I have a friend from high school that I maybe talk to a couple times I year because she lives in a different state..but when we do eventually get together, we act like we used to when we were teenagers. But then I have friends that don't live in the same city as me now but I could technically still see if we wanted to, but neither of us really reach out to get together. But if we do eventually...we are still mostly friends, but there is that level of "distance" that we feel and it ends up with us just "catching up" and then separating again...but are they still my "friend?" Yeah kinda...
I guess sometimes friendships are just surface level, but that doesn't necessarily mean you are besties.
lmfao the John Cena-Donna lore drop
Wow. It’s weird what can end up being “inspiring”. 11:53-12:03 . The smoke & mirrors of it all 🤔📝 I’m genuinely inspired with what I can turn my space into!🔥
Trisha uses a very specific valley girl higher-pitched voice whenever she's playing a character - perfect example if Trisha's real voice calling about Gabbie Hanna vs her fake voice on Gabbie's podcast
Her natural voice is on her Just Trish podcast
Trisha was always 100% honest. She knew where they stood from the beginning but was open to a friendship, that Ethan took too far
“Trisha was always 100% honest”…girl she’s a self admitted pathological liar lmaooooooo she CONSTANTLYYY lies and manipulates situations that’s why no one likes her and wants to be her friend.
Just like bloggers can be fake, why we should be surprised by fake friendship between them?
Wait, I forgot about the Everyday Bro song 😭. I feel a whiplash of bad nostalgia
I wonder when Vtuber community of collab and friendship groups.
That one place I seen betrayal and true friendship.
Clicked on this to learn about famous friendships but left questioning my own 😂 Great
The intro gave me true crime documentary
This was a great video!
Great work!
1:08 : literaly Drew Enya and Orion tho
This video title/thumbnail and channel name made me chuckle bc Donna is ethans moms name
Fabricated Friendships are just a common thing in all our lives
That's not true
Differences in personalities are okay. But similartites in values is what's important
"friendship is like this matching type thing where u only become friends if u match someone's-" freak. I unironically thought u were gonna say that
Ethan and Trisha were friends. I don’t think the definition of a friend needs to be so strict that it’s only real if it lasts forever. Friends come and go and a lot of times what makes you friends has to do with a moment in time and circumstance. Some may think that’s hollow but that’s just life. It ain’t all gotta be that deep
i actually agree with this. the older i become, the more i realize that things don't always have to be too deep. i have best friends, i have a partner, but i also have friends that i talk to every now and then and then go our separate ways and catch up once or twice a year. even so, i still consider them a friend.
Donna, please do a part two and add Anthony and Ian and their ups and downs! :) Would be great...oh and adding a little more about friend groups like the downfall of Vlog Squad or Hype House, would love to get more insight on groups ! Great video :)
Nice video keep it up!
Ethan and Trisha are actually in laws which makes the fact that frenemies even happen is so bizzare, they also arent talking right now due to their spouses not being cool with each other. George, Logan and Mark Dohner friendship died when they mixed business into the mix same with team 10 most of the members were Jake's friends from Ohio but the house dynamic was toxic. Rhett and Link and Ian and Anthony are the only friends I knew were actually besties and would stay that way for life.
No Cody & Noel mention??
easy to tell who online real friends . i feel like tana and brooke are real friends , Dont do podcast with no name online if ur not friends irl.
Exactly
The girl version? Love being a secondary thought with less importance
CLICKED SO FAST. DONNA POST AND a Trisha thumbnail???So in
I can't say I'm really into group content. In any group, I'll like max 2 people and the others are either annoying or I outright hate them. I do enjoy when 2 creators I like individually collab
I loved Frenemies. I find Ethan and Trisha's content individually unenjoyable, but somehow as a unit they were great.
Being different doesn't mean you will have conflict and being similar doesn't mean you won't have conflict. People have great relationships with siblings, parents, friends, lovers when they're very different. You just have to love each other and be willing to agree to disagree. Some people cannot coexist, but just being different doesn't mean that applies to you
rhett and link were friends way before fame
The fck is this conversation about. Bro almost all of these people are work colleagues. That's it. Think of them as your last best friend from work and then you left that job. You almost never talk to them again. And it you did congratulations. They were your real friends.
Do Bobbi Althoff and Drake!
Easy to tell online friends are real or not.
REAL Friendship of streamers = viperous , cindynoemiiii , trppyk , sincerelyjuju and luvstruck .
@@pitching i feel you on that
Did u get cancelled or why are the views so low after ten days
Have you come across an example where the subjects formed chemistry and similarity because they were in proximity?
Can I just say Donna is the best 😊
Shoutouts to TwoBestFriendsPlay 😢
I’m just impressed John Cena follows you, like woah 🤯
I wonder if Rdc are actually friends in real life
You mean Ethan and Hila aren't really friends!!! Whaaaaaaat
1:16 "or a guy has a crush on one of the girls" so you have seen in real life b/c I'm pretty sure that's the trope
I have never watched any H3 content but whenever it comes up in a video the host seems like a charisma void
Why is rhett and link with wll those ppl?