I just found your channel and it’s so refreshing to see someone cover cases without a bunch of speculation and professionalism! Thank you! I’m glad to be apart of the group
Thank you for covering this! I went to school the next town over in Washington, and spent alot of time in Moscow. And the young man who was killed is from where I live now.
Idaho Native here 6 generations deep, family of UofI alumni, local to community where 3 victims raised, schooled, worked. The families, community, friends students and LE need our prayers and support. Thank you Chris, Karen, TIR family, CCF, for all you do, it is greatly appreciated...Welcome to Idaho 💓
I am a Coug, this is just so sad a horrific! It makes me think of nights doing this exact same thing in Moscow and Pullman with friends ( drinking, having fun, then all falling asleep)
Thank you much for the superb coverage and explanation. I work on Sundays until 7pm CST and just rushed to get my phone on and listen to the last half while I drive home. I always enjoy your opinion and thoughts SO much but rarely catch the live streams. Thank you Chris, Karen and Buddy! Hope you can bring us more on this horrifically sad case.
That glove you found was visible on a news video from November 14th. I screen shot the video and can see the glove and it was not covered with leaves at that time.
I used to live in Moscow and I just saw something watching this that could be important. When you leave their house(out the front door) and turn right and go up that hill leading into the trees...cresting the hill and over is just a short run to the frat house where the party was! Why dont they get ultra violet light and track that route to see if there is blood on the ground from his shoes. Because you know he got it on them without a doubt. If there isnt then you know he didnt come or go that way!..
Yes, they should have been using UV light the next day and sniffer dogs smelling for the blood because, I agree, there had to be blood on his clothing and the dogs should be able to smell it.
Learned this stuff in my Sociology studies years ago. Yes, the suspect have been studying the house and his victims. That’s exactly why he was able to execute the killings in blitz style. Yes, absolutely personal method of homicide. True analysis of criminal profiling. Bingo Chris!
That is exactly why I wonder about that student that lives next to them that is trying to insert himself into all these interviews with the media. He even talks about how he carried a nice back home but he doesn’t here because he always felt it was safe… He talks about them having parties but he never had gone… He talks about how you can see right into the windows and a lot of other things.
Chris shows the realtor's photos of inside the house. I was thinking about that - that anyone can see the layout of any house or apartment listed for rent or for sale with a simple Google search.
Floor plans of all buildings are available on your states property appraiser website. Match that with zillow images and it gives a bad actor more information than makes me comfortable. Arm your home with alarm and 2A.
It was great hearing your synopsis of this case. Thank you for your input. I pray there will be a resolution soon. So many families affected by this tragedy. Bless those students taken too soon.💔
It does seem that there could be a connection to this.previous event doesn't it? Being that it was some time ago, it could be that the same person could have been escalating in their anger or rage, leading up to killing 4 students in the house. But the big question is why these students? What did they do to him , or what did the perp believe they did to him? I still feel that some kind of perceives rejection maybe the perp is a failed student, a person who resented their success.
There was a similar type of crime not to far from this scene before this crime took place. A couple were asleep in their bed when a man broke into their home armed with a knife at around 3am. Also a dog was found deceased and skinned weeks before this crime took place. I havent yet watched your entire video so I dont know if you've already mentioned this but it seems a little suspicious, could be related?
He was honing his evil skill set. I have never understood the thrill these guys get from creeping around inside someone's house while they are sleeping. Or being outside in the cold trying to get a peek into their window. Pathetic.
Lil Git that information is really interesting and should be considered for sure. Thank you for letting me know. I was not aware of that. Would you happen to have a link to the story to share?
In the presser tonight, LE said the victims were located on the 2nd & 3rd floors. LE would not be specific on who was on what floor. So it sounds to me like the 2 survivors were on the bottom floor. A reporter asked the question about what levels the victims were on.
@@heyjude1587Yeah. Looking at the bedrooms, they keep showing one on the second floor so it makes sense that the couple would be there and the lifelong best friends would be in neighboring rooms upstairs.
@@heyjude1587 Yeah, but It sounds like they hadn't entered the rooms and might have just been worried that they weren't answering when they knocked. To me, that means people showed up to see a particular person and that person didn't answer their bedroom door.
Yes. Extremely brazen. Like, almost like he doesn’t even care about getting caught, he just wanted to do this insane thing really badly. Scariest thought ever.
I was looking at Google Maps aerial view of 1122 King Rd, Moscow, Idaho. First, though it appears from the news imagery that the property is backed by woods, it is not. There is a narrow area of trees behind it and behind that is Queen Rd. Second, that balcony appears to be diagonal to the rest of the building so might have been accessed from 2 angles. Third, that balcony is low to the ground. I think that at some points I could have climbed up there myself with a bit of determination and I'm a small 63 year old woman - so no big deal for a young man. Fourth, sliding glass doors can have locking and closing issues. Even if they were locked he might had easy access with minimal fidgeting
I think he was ex military and was at the corner club drinking where the two girls were. Maybe hit on one and was rejected...followed them home. I live 30 miles from moscow and used to work in the DNR building U of I .I know that town well.Its a heavy drinkers bar. I firmly believe he went to the U of I as a student. Corner Club is a student drinking hang out. A lot of athletes go there also.
He's one creepy guy based on the analysis from Chris. Someone asked if he was in the military and he said that if he was, he would have been discharged.
He’s been “ rejected “ by these girl’s , and he has been around them ( handyman, maintenance man) enough to think he could have a chance with one of them. He know the property- no cameras or lights…
He could also be a cop or someone else (a religious or social idealist?) frustrated by what he perceives as the moral decline of society who saw the victims as being transgressors.
Or someone that had lived there previously, partied there, or visited friends there in the past. Or he could have done a trial run when he knew they were all out
Thank you for the play-by-play Chris. I think the perp is a local guy, not affiliated in any way with the University. I don't know why I think that yet.
I live 30 miles from moscow ...I think he is ex military and was at the corner club drinking and was rejected by one of the girls and then followed them home.... I believe he went to the Uof I
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The kitchen is on the second level, so who ever did this could have entered at the back ground level. That's the sliding door that was found opened in the kitchen.
@@Itsninitou he probably was waiting inside one of the victims' bedrooms by the time everyone started arriving, and once someone put out a fight (Ethan probably) then he decided to leave the crime scene
Reminds me of murders in nappa 04 where Lauren Meanza, and Adriane Insogna were stabbed in a house of 3 roommies. It was the bf of Adriane's best friend. He was jealous his gf was influenced by her friends. He wanted her all to himself. She called off wedding. He thought they were telling her to break up w him. Eric Copple was jealous. They got him by DNA from cigs outside a window.
Timelines are not accurate. Kaylee's family is fairly adamant that the girls (K & M) returned 1:56, not 1:45. Mom of a friend of Ethan's said her son was texted by Ethan at 2AM and based on the text, he was almost positive that they were still at the Sigma Chi party.
I think Kaylee’s family need to shut up and stop making so many details available to the media . Loose lips sink ships . Help the police do their jobs and let them make public what they feel is necessary.I realise that they are finding info but give that to the police . The other families are no doubt helping too .
@@BlackStump172 I agree 💯 they need to shut it. And the clowns in the comments need to stop playing internet Sherlock. Many aren’t even paying attention to what Chris said. Smh 🙄
I'm unclear on some terminology. They say they were "targeted". Does that mean they, themselves, were personally targeted as individuals? Or were they targeted as a "type" in appearance, affiliations, interests, or behavior? You say knife attacks to the upper body are more personal. I understand that but don't understand how he could want to kill each of the girls in a "personal" way unless each of them had done something to him or he perceived that they had.
My input as former 911 Operator years ago on the East Coast before I entered my career where I handled likely more calls of homicides pre, during and after they did in Idaho. AND POSSIBIKITY WHY DISPATCHED AS UNCONCIOUS (comment I see a lot) Accuracy is *normally* lost in translation w what we understand the caller to be saying depending on their level of stress. My first experience at that (6 months in) a woman called in screaming & terribly incoherent. I was able to REPEATEDLY confirm 'someone' was choaking, either their 6 year old son or older male youth & it was unclear if someone had choaked them or they were assaulted. Sent emt/fire (volunteer fire dpt some came frm theory home at 1 am) INCLUDING police to secure it was safe for medical. 🙄 her 6 year old dog. I was nicknamed Lassie until I moved on. *this is why our 911 calls aren't picked apart in court, but rather if clear used but not to the detriment of an operator doing their diligence* Imagine the scene of someone arriving to see whats up, grabbing ines phone while trying ti report it, given directions to check for life, do CPR, with 2 girls hysterical and concern a danger remains in the home.
True crime unraveled. I second your thoughts. I also was a911 dispatcher, as well as a firefighter/EMT. We had a call a young man was screaming “it’s on fire” and that’s all I could get out of him besides his address. So I sent it out as a structure fire (maximum response). Turns out the genius wanted to dye his pubic hair and used straight bleach. But yeah, sometimes you just have to guess if you aren’t getting all the info.
I feel it’s a handyman that has tried to flirt with these girls and he was rejected. He knows the house , the access code and he has been around them often. Maybe he lives with his mother or alone so no one has seen any knife marks, yet! Bless their families and may they rest in peace forever!
I'm no detective but I was thinking earlier if I was, where would I start once the crime scene has been processed, and I can't help but think I'd be looking extra hard at the two murdered on the third floor, because if they just wanted to kill everyone they would have, but they left two alive, they took the time to go past the second floor obviously they had a reason to want the ones a floor up, I don't know it just makes me wonder, the whole thing is bizarre.
Or this person just wanted to kill everybody and started at the top and work down....2 on first floor survived because they had locked doors or whatever...or were in on it
@@letsgobrandon1939 good point, that would lead me to asking the other two if they in fact had their doors locked, if they did, I'd think like you are, if not, I'd def focus a little more on that top floor
Yeah, I started off thinking it was an ex of one of the girls but an ex would know her room and would have to be pretty dang angry to go from room to room killing everybody with a knife.
I think this man was the stalker...he went in to get that girl...maybe both of them.. he didn't expect to find a male in the house: that messed up his plan/fantasy...
So, what was the motive for killing these kids? None of the girls were assaulted. To me, that would be motive #1 for breaking into a home where females lives. Granted, Ethan was there, but if the person is a stranger, why kill four people? Why not just leave if the plan was overthrown? They were all asleep, right? I’m sure this person tried to cover their face. These kids had to have been in their beds. That’s how LE determine they were sleeping. I don’t understand the sheer overkill to all of this. To me it sounds like someone who was belittled or bullied by this group. I’m not victim blaming, but this attack was built on anger and aggression. Anger and aggression that has been building up for a long time. Someone had it in for just this group of four. I’d be interested to know if they made enemies.
We can’t fathom someone who’s this evil and who would do such A horrific crime to innocent young people. That’s why it’s so hard to comprehend. So sad & heart breaking!
One of the victims Kaylee Gonclaves complained and was vocal about a stalker bothering her. But authorities can’t confirm whether it’s the same guy that was stalking her.
Dang, I missed the live & had a question. Chris, maybe you’d be willing to answer this one? I know you keep a lot close to your chest in your active investigations & even ones your not involved in. So, here it goes…You say the girls were the targets, which I always believed myself, would that be ALL (5) girls or just the (3)? I could see maybe not all (5) initially were, but if the opportunity arose, he would’ve taken advantage of the remaining (2). If you do not want to answer, I will respect that. Thank you
Not necessarily. Depends on the rules on where they are from but typically college students use their home addresses on their dl's. They move often (every school year often) and having to do a change of address everytime they move can burden the secretary of state.
@@gayladenison5925 college students are not known to follow rules. They lived in the same state and it is very unlikely they changed their address. Often when kids are at college the home address is considered the permanent address. College address is considered a temporary address.
@@gayladenison5925 college students often retain their permanent residence at their home address and don't have to change their DL every time they move.
The recently single victim draws my attention. Sometimes when guys are blown off due to a boyfriend it appears like a green light when homeboy is no longer in the picture… but it’s still a “no.”
I was thinking earlier is it possible that this could be a old roommate that use to live in this house. The more I listen to your analysis Chris maybe it possible. Who knows. Just a terrible situation for the families.
The way I understood is there is a basement which is first floor then the second floor had three bedrooms and third floor had three bedrooms. From the front it looks like a two story.
From the front, in the pictures I've seen it's clearly a 3 story. Cars parked in front where the front door is, with the house number above it and a garland on the door, show two floors with a 3rd floor further back above the first two floors.
@@lilgit9969 I’ve heard different things and also heard basement was just a basement. I know some channels have the floor plans. I think Chris does but I haven’t finished show.
IF, The perpetrator, well really liked his Knife or Hunting Knife, was it really ? his trophy knife, don't think he would have throwned it in a Dumpster or wherever? He may still have it, a trophy, His fav knife, he has got Power, Control from this Knife, or does he hate. his Favourite Fantasy Knife ?? Has anyone purchased a knife lately Sport Store or Online ? A Special Unique knife, was it a gift ??
Someone mentioned something similar in a Facebook group I'm in; that this knife was probably a prized possession of this person. Who knows if the person held onto it. If destroyed, it's probably far from the crime scene. I think this person is probably fascinated by weapons and has many. JMO
Unfortunately something similar happened in my hometown four people were stabbed one poor girl managed to crawl under a bush into the neighbours garden where they managed to raise the alarm. It turned out one of the boys committed the stabbing but ended with himself 😢 It was so sad but wasn’t on international news.
They'd know the order of the killings by the amount of mixed blood on each victim. Ie. The first victim will have none of the other victims blood on them, second will have first victims and theirs and so on... wouldn't they? Or am I thinking too much
What did the 3 victims have in common? And did they have anything in common together but not with the other 2 girls? They went to the same school, they were about the same age, they lived in the same house. And what about the house? I mean, were there other houses nearby the had similar groups of young female tenants? Could it be that there was a larger pool of potential victims and he chose them only because of some characteristics of the house itself such as accessibility? I'm not "blaming" the house! I mean that in looking for what in common the girls shared, it might have been a broader range of common characteristics rather than narrower.
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I just found your channel and it’s so refreshing to see someone cover cases without a bunch of speculation and professionalism! Thank you! I’m glad to be apart of the group
Thank you for covering this! I went to school the next town over in Washington, and spent alot of time in Moscow.
And the young man who was killed is from where I live now.
Idaho Native here 6 generations deep, family of UofI alumni, local to community where 3 victims raised, schooled, worked. The families, community, friends students and LE need our prayers and support. Thank you Chris, Karen, TIR family, CCF, for all you do, it is greatly appreciated...Welcome to Idaho 💓
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I am a Coug, this is just so sad a horrific! It makes me think of nights doing this exact same thing in Moscow and Pullman with friends ( drinking, having fun, then all falling asleep)
@@kathannewin This would probably have happened even if they had all stayed quietly home and went to sleep .
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SUPER GREAT AND VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO CHRIS.. THANK YOU SO MUCH! ❤❤❤😢
Love all your videos but this one was one of your best as far as explanations breaking down the available info, Excellent!
Agree. So interesting and informative.
Thank you so much for covering this case. Prayers to the families and friends of the victims 🙏🏼
Thank you much for the superb coverage and explanation. I work on Sundays until 7pm CST and just rushed to get my phone on and listen to the last half while I drive home.
I always enjoy your opinion and thoughts SO much but rarely catch the live streams. Thank you Chris, Karen and Buddy! Hope you can bring us more on this horrifically sad
case.
Thanks for your thoughtful presentation!
Excellent points to consider in this case love your analysis
I was hoping you would cover this. Thank you!
Great channel, so interesting. Thank you.
I appreciate your breakdown. Can’t wait for your show Sunday!
I love your voice easy to follow thank you for your time
Thank you! 😊
Thank you so much for this!
That glove you found was visible on a news video from November 14th. I screen shot the video and can see the glove and it was not covered with leaves at that time.
I used to live in Moscow and I just saw something watching this that could be important. When you leave their house(out the front door) and turn right and go up that hill leading into the trees...cresting the hill and over is just a short run to the frat house where the party was! Why dont they get ultra violet light and track that route to see if there is blood on the ground from his shoes. Because you know he got it on them without a doubt. If there isnt then you know he didnt come or go that way!..
Yes, they should have been using UV light the next day and sniffer dogs smelling for the blood because, I agree, there had to be blood on his clothing and the dogs should be able to smell it.
That’s interesting the frat house is close
Highly doubt this was a frat boy.
@@angelmartin7310 wether you doubt it or not it should be done!
@@abdoutouzani1071 yeah I'm sure they did but why only check in the direction of the frat house?
Great video
Thanks!
Thanks for listening
Thanks, Chris! Great show.
Learned this stuff in my Sociology studies years ago. Yes, the suspect have been studying the house and his victims. That’s exactly why he was able to execute the killings in blitz style. Yes, absolutely personal method of homicide. True analysis of criminal profiling. Bingo Chris!
That is exactly why I wonder about that student that lives next to them that is trying to insert himself into all these interviews with the media. He even talks about how he carried a nice back home but he doesn’t here because he always felt it was safe… He talks about them having parties but he never had gone… He talks about how you can see right into the windows and a lot of other things.
@@lighttheway5088 All the neighbors surrounding the perimeters of the property have been vetted and investigated.
Chris shows the realtor's photos of inside the house. I was thinking about that - that anyone can see the layout of any house or apartment listed for rent or for sale with a simple Google search.
Floor plans of all buildings are available on your states property appraiser website. Match that with zillow images and it gives a bad actor more information than makes me comfortable. Arm your home with alarm and 2A.
I don't understand how the girls could leave the grub truck at 1:53 but LE says that they arrived home at 1:45.
It was great hearing your synopsis of this case. Thank you for your input. I pray there will be a resolution soon. So many families affected by this tragedy. Bless those students taken too soon.💔
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Campus security sent out a vandal alert on September 12th
Man threatening students with knife. So we know hes most likely resides in the area.
It does seem that there could be a connection to this.previous event doesn't it? Being that it was some time ago, it could be that the same person could have been escalating in their anger or rage, leading up to killing 4 students in the house. But the big question is why these students? What did they do to him , or what did the perp believe they did to him? I still feel that some kind of perceives rejection maybe the perp is a failed student, a person who resented their success.
There was a similar type of crime not to far from this scene before this crime took place. A couple were asleep in their bed when a man broke into their home armed with a knife at around 3am. Also a dog was found deceased and skinned weeks before this crime took place. I havent yet watched your entire video so I dont know if you've already mentioned this but it seems a little suspicious, could be related?
He was honing his evil skill set. I have never understood the thrill these guys get from creeping around inside someone's house while they are sleeping. Or being outside in the cold trying to get a peek into their window. Pathetic.
Could be someone in the fraternity with Ethan? In a triangle area
I saw that too and now can't find the site.
I thought it was 2 girls walking to there car and a guy in all black came with a knife.
Lil Git that information is really interesting and should be considered for sure. Thank you for letting me know. I was not aware of that. Would you happen to have a link to the story to share?
🇦🇺 Thank you. This case has any of us here spellbound.
Hi , I've had to see replay tonight. But I hope Chris, Karen, Dylan and of course Buddie are all happy and of good health !
In the presser tonight, LE said the victims were located on the 2nd & 3rd floors. LE would not be specific on who was on what floor. So it sounds to me like the 2 survivors were on the bottom floor. A reporter asked the question about what levels the victims were on.
I think E and X were on 2 and K and M were on 3.
@@heyjude1587Yeah. Looking at the bedrooms, they keep showing one on the second floor so it makes sense that the couple would be there and the lifelong best friends would be in neighboring rooms upstairs.
@@wishingb5859 Isn't it sounding stranger everyday that the 911 caller said, "unconscious person"? Police said it was a bloody crime scene?
@@heyjude1587 Yeah, but It sounds like they hadn't entered the rooms and might have just been worried that they weren't answering when they knocked. To me, that means people showed up to see a particular person and that person didn't answer their bedroom door.
This is so scary to think that someone was brave enough to enter a house with six people home! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Yes. Extremely brazen. Like, almost like he doesn’t even care about getting caught, he just wanted to do this insane thing really badly. Scariest thought ever.
Chris thank you so much, this was so informative. I got called away at the end but I wanted to be sure and thank you.
I know law inforcement will find the person responsible. My prayer go out to the families and friends.
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I was looking at Google Maps aerial view of 1122 King Rd, Moscow, Idaho.
First, though it appears from the news imagery that the property is backed by woods, it is not. There is a narrow area of trees behind it and behind that is Queen Rd.
Second, that balcony appears to be diagonal to the rest of the building so might have been accessed from 2 angles.
Third, that balcony is low to the ground. I think that at some points I could have climbed up there myself with a bit of determination and I'm a small 63 year old woman - so no big deal for a young man.
Fourth, sliding glass doors can have locking and closing issues. Even if they were locked he might had easy access with minimal fidgeting
I think he was ex military and was at the corner club drinking where the two girls were. Maybe hit on one and was rejected...followed them home. I live 30 miles from moscow and used to work in the DNR building U of I .I know that town well.Its a heavy drinkers bar. I firmly believe he went to the U of I as a student. Corner Club is a student drinking hang out. A lot of athletes go there also.
He's one creepy guy based on the analysis from Chris. Someone asked if he was in the military and he said that if he was, he would have been discharged.
He’s been “ rejected “ by these girl’s , and he has been around them ( handyman, maintenance man) enough to think he could have a chance with one of them. He know the property- no cameras or lights…
He could also be a cop or someone else (a religious or social idealist?) frustrated by what he perceives as the moral decline of society who saw the victims as being transgressors.
@@bhoward9378 I've thought of a religious person being the perpetrator as well! 🤔
Or someone that had lived there previously, partied there, or visited friends there in the past. Or he could have done a trial run when he knew they were all out
Thank you for the play-by-play Chris. I think the perp is a local guy, not affiliated in any way with the University. I don't know why I think that yet.
I live 30 miles from moscow ...I think he is ex military and was at the corner club drinking and was rejected by one of the girls and then followed them home.... I believe he went to the Uof I
@@NrthrnKnght Do you think he left town to cool off after the deed?
@@trailwindz7833 YES! ..the U of I said that people could go home and wouldnt be penalized. He probably is watching the media also..
Yet another excellent job, thanks for constantly sharing your thoughts and expertise
I have yet to be sold on the fact that the ex had nothing to do with it ... we'll see
I agree...same with the 2 roomates
My worst nightmare. Being killed in my sleep. Defenseless.
Why is no one saying to look at people for cuts on their hands ?
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The kitchen is on the second level, so who ever did this could have entered at the back ground level. That's the sliding door that was found opened in the kitchen.
This person had access to stalk them without looking suspicious. Someone who lives in the apartments next door perhaps?
Not a neighbor. Police made that clear. If it were, there be blood trail leading to the neighbor. So that’s been ruled out
Does the front door enter into the 2nd floor or what I would call the main floor where the kitchen is located?
No, it opens to the first floor and has two bedrooms and a bathroom and steps to go to the second floor.
@@lorrielephew1966 thank you just can't wrap my head around this one. Confuses me that the first two home survived
@Tracey Hall-Green love that guy!
@@Itsninitou he probably was waiting inside one of the victims' bedrooms by the time everyone started arriving, and once someone put out a fight (Ethan probably) then he decided to leave the crime scene
I hear you!
Reminds me of murders in nappa 04 where Lauren Meanza, and Adriane Insogna were stabbed in a house of 3 roommies. It was the bf of Adriane's best friend. He was jealous his gf was influenced by her friends. He wanted her all to himself. She called off wedding. He thought they were telling her to break up w him. Eric Copple was jealous. They got him by DNA from cigs outside a window.
Curious about cigarette dna. How can they tie it to the crime rather than it being excused as being left at another prior time?
Ohhhhh hmmmmm
Its someone close by.
They did not say the roommate called, they said the roommate’s phone was used.
Timelines are not accurate. Kaylee's family is fairly adamant that the girls (K & M) returned 1:56, not 1:45. Mom of a friend of Ethan's said her son was texted by Ethan at 2AM and based on the text, he was almost positive that they were still at the Sigma Chi party.
Could be for sure, as it is possible the tower dumps have not been returned from the carriers yet.
I think Kaylee’s family need to shut up and stop making so many details available to the media . Loose lips sink ships . Help the police do their jobs and let them make public what they feel is necessary.I realise that they are finding info but give that to the police . The other families are no doubt helping too .
@@BlackStump172 yep yep and yep.
@@BlackStump172 I agree 💯 they need to shut it. And the clowns in the comments need to stop playing internet Sherlock. Many aren’t even paying attention to what Chris said. Smh 🙄
I'm unclear on some terminology. They say they were "targeted". Does that mean they, themselves, were personally targeted as individuals? Or were they targeted as a "type" in appearance, affiliations, interests, or behavior?
You say knife attacks to the upper body are more personal. I understand that but don't understand how he could want to kill each of the girls in a "personal" way unless each of them had done something to him or he perceived that they had.
Great questions that I’ve had as well. Hope we get answers.
I should think that it was deemed targeted because one of the victims or her room showed some signs different to the rest .
@@BlackStump172 Can you further explain? What signs are you referring to? Thx
I think they know alot more than they're leading on to.
Definitely, the survivors need to start talking. They are involved
@@Sebrinawilliams67 Because clearing people is pretty easy, most of the time?
I only hope they do. This person must be captured!
I remember Richard Speck case.
Hopefully they interview all the neighbors especially ones with teens who may be peeping Tom types.
This wouldn't be a teenager. They wouldn't have the strength.
Need a link to TicToc video, pls.
Go find it, honey
My input as former 911 Operator years ago on the East Coast before I entered my career where I handled likely more calls of homicides pre, during and after they did in Idaho. AND POSSIBIKITY WHY DISPATCHED AS UNCONCIOUS (comment I see a lot)
Accuracy is *normally* lost in translation w what we understand the caller to be saying depending on their level of stress.
My first experience at that (6 months in) a woman called in screaming & terribly incoherent. I was able to REPEATEDLY confirm 'someone' was choaking, either their 6 year old son or older male youth & it was unclear if someone had choaked them or they were assaulted. Sent emt/fire (volunteer fire dpt some came frm theory home at 1 am) INCLUDING police to secure it was safe for medical.
🙄 her 6 year old dog. I was nicknamed Lassie until I moved on.
*this is why our 911 calls aren't picked apart in court, but rather if clear used but not to the detriment of an operator doing their diligence*
Imagine the scene of someone arriving to see whats up, grabbing ines phone while trying ti report it, given directions to check for life, do CPR, with 2 girls hysterical and concern a danger remains in the home.
True crime unraveled. I second your thoughts. I also was a911 dispatcher, as well as a firefighter/EMT. We had a call a young man was screaming “it’s on fire” and that’s all I could get out of him besides his address. So I sent it out as a structure fire (maximum response). Turns out the genius wanted to dye his pubic hair and used straight bleach. But yeah, sometimes you just have to guess if you aren’t getting all the info.
Thank you for this educated information.
I stand by my comment, but now I know the fact is rather more simple and cold.
After he killed them, he locked the bedroom door behind him and left.
Menendez Brothers 911 calls were one of the biggest pieces of evidence used against them in court, wasn’t it?
My heart just breaks for their parents and siblings 💔 😢 and all who love them. I pray LE finds this beast soon.
I feel it’s a handyman that has tried to flirt with these girls and he was rejected. He knows the house , the access code and he has been around them often. Maybe he lives with his mother or alone so no one has seen any knife marks, yet! Bless their families and may they rest in peace forever!
I'm no detective but I was thinking earlier if I was, where would I start once the crime scene has been processed, and I can't help but think I'd be looking extra hard at the two murdered on the third floor, because if they just wanted to kill everyone they would have, but they left two alive, they took the time to go past the second floor obviously they had a reason to want the ones a floor up, I don't know it just makes me wonder, the whole thing is bizarre.
Or this person just wanted to kill everybody and started at the top and work down....2 on first floor survived because they had locked doors or whatever...or were in on it
@@letsgobrandon1939 good point, that would lead me to asking the other two if they in fact had their doors locked, if they did, I'd think like you are, if not, I'd def focus a little more on that top floor
Or maybe they thought there was bedrooms only on the top levels
Yeah, I started off thinking it was an ex of one of the girls but an ex would know her room and would have to be pretty dang angry to go from room to room killing everybody with a knife.
The coroner thinking all of them were sleeping, I feel like the person wanted to kill all of them.
Is there footage of them being in the bar? Maybe someone was watching them there.
I think this man was the stalker...he went in to get that girl...maybe both of them.. he didn't expect to find a male in the house: that messed up his plan/fantasy...
What’s the likelihood the perp is listening to this/ you and how does that affect him now after the crime?
Chris, you are spot on!
So, what was the motive for killing these kids? None of the girls were assaulted. To me, that would be motive #1 for breaking into a home where females lives. Granted, Ethan was there, but if the person is a stranger, why kill four people? Why not just leave if the plan was overthrown? They were all asleep, right? I’m sure this person tried to cover their face. These kids had to have been in their beds. That’s how LE determine they were sleeping. I don’t understand the sheer overkill to all of this. To me it sounds like someone who was belittled or bullied by this group. I’m not victim blaming, but this attack was built on anger and aggression. Anger and aggression that has been building up for a long time. Someone had it in for just this group of four. I’d be interested to know if they made enemies.
Israel Keyes just wanted to hunt people.
@@MartinMartin-bh4ke This case has Israel Keyes Creepers...
Would not surprise me if it ties into Greek life snubbing.
We can’t fathom someone who’s this evil and who would do such A horrific crime to innocent young people. That’s why it’s so hard to comprehend. So sad & heart breaking!
One of the victims Kaylee Gonclaves complained and was vocal about a stalker bothering her. But authorities can’t confirm whether it’s the same guy that was stalking her.
This crime is so brutal. I can imagine the reaction of the parents
I think he lives in neighborhood or very close by .
Dang, I missed the live & had a question. Chris, maybe you’d be willing to answer this one? I know you keep a lot close to your chest in your active investigations & even ones your not involved in. So, here it goes…You say the girls were the targets, which I always believed myself, would that be ALL (5) girls or just the (3)? I could see maybe not all (5) initially were, but if the opportunity arose, he would’ve taken advantage of the remaining (2). If you do not want to answer, I will respect that. Thank you
Skinned animals found…pets 😢. It starts there usually right? Tragic, these beautiful young people. Rest In Peace.
Rt was it leading up to this? That’s scary
@@kimmayo7251 I’m so happy it’s finally ii
They say it has no connection
Love Your Channel. I don't believe this was his first kill. I just don't think you escalate from zero to 4. I think he has killed before.
That’s what the FBI from NYPD who was observing this unfolding case said the same thing on the news too. Spot on!
Watching replay.
Yes
The third floor bedrooms have big windows and the beds are visible from outside. He didn’t need a floor plan if it was one of them.
Maintenance worker knows the house
Facts I thought that as well . Or the actual owner!!
I doubt that upper patio was used at all. The police said the front door looked un-tampered with. I thought I heard that in another crime show.
Yes it’s freezing
Why was there not a 6th female living in the house? Had there been a 6th female previously? If so, was she kicked out?
That's a good question!
Only 5 rooms rented.
No , Jack who was Kaylee’s ex had that room until she pulled the plug on their six year relationship.
The 2 young ladies would have had to show their ID to get into the bar or buy drinks. Wouldn't their current address be on the ID?
Not necessarily. Depends on the rules on where they are from but typically college students use their home addresses on their dl's. They move often (every school year often) and having to do a change of address everytime they move can burden the secretary of state.
@@dianayount2122 Hmmm, CA it's 10 days and you have to change it at the state Dept of Motor vehicles
@@gayladenison5925 college students are not known to follow rules. They lived in the same state and it is very unlikely they changed their address. Often when kids are at college the home address is considered the permanent address. College address is considered a temporary address.
@@lorrielephew1966 Oh, okay, thank you.
I sure hope they find who is responsible for this.
@@gayladenison5925 college students often retain their permanent residence at their home address and don't have to change their DL every time they move.
To me, if it was personal about one of the girls, he would not have killed all 4 if they were all sleeping.
The recently single victim draws my attention. Sometimes when guys are blown off due to a boyfriend it appears like a green light when homeboy is no longer in the picture… but it’s still a “no.”
What is percentage profilers who turn out to be correct in their assessment.
I was thinking earlier is it possible that this could be a old roommate that use to live in this house. The more I listen to your analysis Chris maybe it possible. Who knows. Just a terrible situation for the families.
We have four (4) amazing students. My heart breaks knowing they could have been safe 😢
The size of that house,I'd say it's someone who knows the layout of the property.
There pics of the inside of the house all over online from a realty company
You’d have bloody footprints clueing you as to the killing order.
Do you think if they arrived home at different times he could have killed two of them before the other two got home
Yes. Good thought
They did come home at different times.
Good catch
The two on first floor arrived home at 1:00 am, the other 4 arrived home at 1:45 am
When I'm asleep,it takes alot to wake me up. I wouldn't have heard anything.
I feel like he hated women (for some reason)
Was he anti social?
I think he called his own phone
Yes. After he killed them to set up an alibi - he was asleep and his phone turned off. The dog didn't bark. Cleared as a suspect.
Chris do you think it's someone their age or older?
Exactly...I am wondering about that too. It would be of great significance if we did know, or had an inkling.
If they didn't change the numbers on the key lock entry, it may be a previous resident?
Chris Please write a book ❤
I think he came through the sliding glass doors
They are easy to beak into although often left unlocked.
The way I understood is there is a basement which is first floor then the second floor had three bedrooms and third floor had three bedrooms. From the front it looks like a two story.
Ok, I heard there were two bedrooms on each floor?
From the front, in the pictures I've seen it's clearly a 3 story. Cars parked in front where the front door is, with the house number above it and a garland on the door, show two floors with a 3rd floor further back above the first two floors.
@@lilgit9969 I’ve heard different things and also heard basement was just a basement. I know some channels have the floor plans. I think Chris does but I haven’t finished show.
2 bedrooms on each floor, 2 on 1st, 2 on 2nd and 2 on 3rd.
@@janicescott6569 Johnny Law has a great vid to show and explain the layout.
IF, The perpetrator, well really liked his Knife or Hunting Knife, was it really ? his trophy knife, don't think he would have throwned it in a Dumpster or wherever? He may still have it, a trophy, His fav knife, he has got Power, Control from this Knife, or does he hate. his Favourite Fantasy Knife ??
Has anyone purchased a knife lately Sport Store or Online ? A Special Unique knife, was it a gift ??
Someone mentioned something similar in a Facebook group I'm in; that this knife was probably a prized possession of this person. Who knows if the person held onto it. If destroyed, it's probably far from the crime scene. I think this person is probably fascinated by weapons and has many. JMO
@@annabelleroma2336 I’d like the join the fb group. What’s the name?
@@acovert8241 I will check. I'm in a couple :)
Unfortunately something similar happened in my hometown four people were stabbed one poor girl managed to crawl under a bush into the neighbours garden where they managed to raise the alarm. It turned out one of the boys committed the stabbing but ended with himself 😢 It was so sad but wasn’t on international news.
They'd know the order of the killings by the amount of mixed blood on each victim. Ie. The first victim will have none of the other victims blood on them, second will have first victims and theirs and so on... wouldn't they? Or am I thinking too much
Thats how they could tell Nicole Brown was killed before Ron Goldmen. He had Nicoles blood and hair on him, and of course OJs as well. Good point!
You are correct
What did the 3 victims have in common? And did they have anything in common together but not with the other 2 girls? They went to the same school, they were about the same age, they lived in the same house.
And what about the house? I mean, were there other houses nearby the had similar groups of young female tenants?
Could it be that there was a larger pool of potential victims and he chose them only because of some characteristics of the house itself such as accessibility?
I'm not "blaming" the house! I mean that in looking for what in common the girls shared, it might have been a broader range of common characteristics rather than narrower.
4 victims, not 3.
Agree Ethan was a surprise and may have disrupted this creepers fantasy and thus the sexual assault didn't happen.
I like the idea that it could be a maintenance worker.
Or grub hub driver, pizza delivery?