Raw | Latah County Coroner says all four students killed near University of Idaho were victims
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- Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told KREM 2 that all four students killed in a home near the University of Idaho are homicide victims. She does not believe it was a murder-suicide.
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So you, Cathy Mabbutt, a 16 year coroner veteran are clueless as to why a coroner is called to a crime scene as soon as police are on scene? Why bother calling you at all until they are done with their investigation after 5:30? You were to show up and take possession of the bodies. 16 years and you don't know that? You are responsible for keeping the bodies out of the way of investigators.You alone are delegated the task of ensuring the bodies remain intact, uncompromised and uncontaminated. Officer Payne, in his second but not last attempt to explain the presence of the tan leather knife sheath said that time, he discovered it under Maddie. So he is either placing it there or doing who knows what way close to a body and where are you? What time were their deaths? You think you could have gotten a better Idea at 12-1 o'clock than another 5 or 6 hours later? For a bunch of people who think they are hidden from the rest of the world by a bunch of trees you seem to be under the impression you can outsmart everybody as long as you have mainstream journalist hacks as pool boys. I've never known anyone who agreed to pay Later to indulge in self-serving practices while they watch the lives of others around them be destroyed due to their actions left unscathed by Later.. Are you thinking Later will forget about you and not collect on your promise to pay? Later never forgets. So I suggest you bask in the luxury of your plunder while you can. Oh yeah, IMO.
She doesn't sound like someone confident in what she does or what is done this is awkward af
God bless the medical examiners and the others that hold similar roles like this awesome woman. I appreciate what all of you do. Thank you and your families so much. You are all heroes to me.
♥️🙌🏼
I'm afraid to watch this, how horrific 😢 this poor lady has such awesome strength, I can't even imagine but I'm watching it 😢 seriously 😢 💔
She seems traumatized she's shaking to the core she doesn't know what to say she just seems a little baffled is this a real medical examiner because she probably hasn't done a murder in 10 years she's in over her head she did clarify that they didn't kill each other SMH
@@tommydaniels4299 She is not a medical examiner (who does the actual autopsy and draws conclusions from their findings). Rather she is the coroner, an elected position that is mainly administrative in nature. She may transport bodies to the medical examiner but she does not conduct the autopsy.
This coroner is not qualified, she is a regular md, with addtl degrees in political science and the law...
Thank goodness SOMEONE is answering questions!
what have you learnt from this?
??
Why do you think you are entitled to this info immediately? Are you part of the investigation process or family of the victims? Or do you just want to know for your OWN curiosity and if you had that info what would you do with it other than go about your life. Also if they hastily put out info for YOUR satisfaction and something changes, which they often do as more info is learned, will you then assume they are covering something up? Yes, you would because that's what people like you do.
@@ronswanson5629 .Why are you such an angry young man?
@@acgillespie I simply made a statement and that makes me angry? If you took it personal maybe you are one of the people i was speaking about.
As a parent you would feel less anxious knowing your daughter is rooming with three other girls and not living alone!😓This is horrible!! 🙏💔💔💔💔
When my daughter moved to attend college immediately after high school, I was concerned. I was visiting her almost every weekend. I would drive two hours there and two hours back home, or spend the night at a hotel with her.
They still ain't safe
They still ain't safe
It was 4 other girls actually.
My question is... Why no screams heard?
This is so horrible! Pray for the families
*I'm beginning to believe we might have some very scary people living among us*
Yes very sad and tragic. Hope they catch the person responsible and justice served
This looks like the type of case where there isnt gonna be anymore info for at least a month.
I am levitating....I am one with the earth
The trauma that LE and Medical personnel have seen must cause PTSD. May these young people get justice.
didn't for me
Imagine how the survivors feel personally knowing them
You should look up what ptsd is
@@designstudio8013 same here.
At least they aren’t fucking dead.
Brutal homicide < bad dreams
The male victim was a triplet. I watched the interview with his parents. So sad.
How is it that the public is not in danger? Have they caught the person responsible for this?
That's what i keeping asking.. I can't believe they would not want the other students to take precautions to all areas until the person who done this is found.
@@cannabiskellystover9984 money motivates every action
Maybe they've found someone who committed suicide that claimed responsibility for it. That's the only thing that makes sense to me
Crime of passion.
@@tonkatroll9769 maybe? But did they catch the guy/girl? Or are they still on the loose? Should the public be aware?
I love how news reporters pretty much try to pry "most gruesome" "horrifying" out of her but she wasn't giving in.
even the coroner acted shaken by this...must of been a real mess. RIP
I'd be shaken too if I was working for a corrupt State and didn't have any medical training and was not only a Cororner but an Attorney for violent Criminals. Not one medically trained person has seen the bodies and this state is corrupt.
The coroner is an elected politician who works in an office. Someone else is the pathologist who examined th crime scene and performed the autopsies.
I hope they catch who did this..cause this is extremely sad and very disturbing..how did they manage to murder 4 people and not get caught...or seen... unbelievable!!!!!!!! Someone knows something.
Keep going killer!!! Weeeeeeeee
@@TH-camisrunbypedoswell let’s hope he get’s to you … We normal people thank him and then put him also to death! An eye for an eye
There had to be noise, two people on 2nd floor fighting for their life and one land in the hallway.
Someone always knows something and someone always talks eventually.
They did catch him do you have an education DNA doesn't lie
Something is off about this woman. She doesn’t believe what she’s saying. 🤷🏼♀️
Like she has been told not to say anything
@@LS-ny8mruhhh ya that's normal in a murder case where no suspect was jailed
Prayers for these victims and family's.
May their souls and the souls of all the faithful departed through the mercy of God Rest In Peace. Amen. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💔💔💔💔
🙏Amen🙏💔😢
I am so confused how they keep saying public is not at risk but yet 4 homicides hiw does that make sense shame on them for not being more clear
It’s not about being clear
It’s about being woke
not awake to this cRaZiEnEsS
Why are you asking so many questions?
@@exitscreaming4637 they keep saying over and over that there is no threat, no danger etc. It's pretty upsetting because it makes no sense
They typically do this so that the person responsible thinks that there is no evidence against them. In the meantime I imagine it is such a tough investigation with 4 victims. They have to comb through 4 separate lives to get to the bottom of this.
Gaslighting the community...It never works..
She's a most unprofessional coroner/ attorney on the side
mc butt whre are the evidence photos you took ???? WHERE ARE THEY ???
They're dead. The most important thing is catching the killer now. Fight now. Cry later.
It’s disturbing how these rookies are fishing for gruesome details. It’s so unprofessional and creepy.
The interviewer sounds like a middle school student.. her set of questions are so off, awkward and unintelligent.
@@KeroppiLover82 agree
We're a small community here. It ain't LA or someplace where this happens. 8 years since the last major murders. We are not fully equipped.
The interviewers should have had intelligent questions. This was an important interview that was wasted. There were so many questions that should have been asked.
@@mrs.hatfield1451 As someone who is from the area, what is your opinion about the suspect or whole situation??
SHE IS NOT BEING 💯HONEST! IMO
She's not an MD. She's also a Defense Attorney. Conflict of interest much?
May the Good Lord Bless all 4 of these souls……
It’s too late now
@@mandycote5662 why would you say something so hurtful & sad & actually, just say an unnecessarily ugly thing to say at all? And, no obviously I couldn't hear you but, you said that like such a smart-aleck😕
And no, it's not too late btw. God can do whatever, whenever, he chooses to. Can't be to late, to early, it's just whatever it is. He made “late”, so he can make it be whenever and whatever because hes God. And may he bless and keep safe, you and yours✌️❤🙏😇
Words aren't matching up with her body language.
Is it typical for a medical examiner or coroner to go on tv a day or two after a mass murder and talk about details of the scene/bodies?!?
Cathy mabutt is the coronor how is it even remotely possible that a person whos a coronor with 16 years at least experience does not know and isnt aware of the time of death in this case seems extremely suspicious to me
I totally agree 100% It is one of the first questions to be answered- How long has the victim been deceased for, what time was the crime taking place. The identification of the victim for investigation and next of kin and What is the most likely cause of death and type of weapon involved. Its all basic stuff really, unless shes being vague on purpose so not to answer questions the police want to remain quiet 🤫
@@Soulwarrior7 it's precisely her job to to find that out, she's the one who gives the cause and details of the death and makes it official. She instructs the investigation into the cause and mechanism of death, by gathering all the information from the pathologist and police investigation to give the final death certificate
@@Sir-WMW "A Medical Examiner is a forensic pathologist (a medical doctor with subspeciality training) with particular expertise in investigating violent, sudden and unexpected, suspicious or unattended deaths. A Coroner is an elected or appointed public officer whose chief duty is to certify the cause of death."
Stop watching Law and Order.
@@Redandranger I know that because I just pretty much that in my last comment, a coroner wouldn't be able to complete a death certificate without investigating all the facts presented to them and if they need more information or not happy with what they find they can request further investigations, second opinion on the pathology report ect they can't just sign someone death off without knowing all the facts it's the same here in the uk only we don't elect the coroner they are just employed by the home office
Anyway I think we both are on the same page here, I probably just didn't explain it very well
😲WWWHAT....how very dare you! I cant stand watching any of that garbage, lol sorry to have disappointed you there 👍🏼😂
She's lying
So sad for all involved. We have to be aware of who we call friends and ask about the people they're hanging with.
I tell my child that very same thing, trust NO one. Even at school, your roommate can be a serial killer.
@@sylettemonroe7431
Sounds like you have experience in such thing.
@ Ano Vino, have you ever watched any crime shows? Years ago, there was a story(true)about a woman who solved her own daughters murder by watching such crime shows, and learning their(police and fbi)tactics. A person can learn a lot by doing so.
@@TexasRose50
I think so, 🙂👍
Best thing I have seen posted on here
This woman is so unqualified for this job. A nurse turned attorney. She has no clue what she is doing. This case has so many holes in it.
She just got elected for four more years after sixteen years what's makes her unqualified?
A year later and we are still looking for answers and clues.And after a year later i still have no idea who did this Crime.Its crazy stuff in this case
This woman is totally unqualified!!!!!
Why is that?
I’m a Trauma RN…this is a super unprofessional coroner/RN/lawyer. Scary
So sorry for the families
Why are the reporters badgering this lady they know damn well she isn't allowed to divulge any information. Anyway, I've never been to Idaho but lived in the state below it hopefully one day... May these 4 young people rip and condolences to their family & friends
I would imagine this was done in their sleep. I just can't wrap my mind around how one didn't survive or a 911 call wasn't made unless the victims were sleeping. I hope they never even realized what was happening before they passed.
Sleep or more people involved. Alot we don't know. An unconscious person then four dead and two uninjured ? Gruesome it said. An object of sharpness . Scary. It does sound like drugs were used not sure. The whole story is strange. What the hell? Not much detail .
I can't imagine a sleeping person wouldn't realize what was happening after being stabbed, slashed or had their throat slit. I mean, they die from blood loss... very scary stuff.
Not to just kill, but to slaughter, 4 people without making enough noise that neighbors hear or a 911 call is made from a cell? Seems so odd. I almost feel they were drugged or something.
@@st.francisanddr.pepper1304 it said they woke up and tried to fight off the attacker/attackers 💔😢
If they were stabbed in the head repeatedly they wouldn't know what was happening tp them.
Another official said the students were killed around 3 or 4 a.m. in the morning but their bodies were not discovered until much later that day. Someone might've tried to call them and they didn't answer or maybe someone was supposed to be at work or an appointment and didn't show up. Also, they said they died by a sharp, serrated edge implement, so they were stabbed/cut.
*Nothing good ever happens at 3am - never*
@@acgillespie except prayer to Jesus Christ. I often get woken up at 03h00 in the morning and I know it's the Lord urging me to talk to Him.
3:00 a.m. the holy Trinity.
@@maritascoonbee8285
You seen your shrink lately?
Chainsaw?
How in the world are 4 people stabbed to death in one house & 2 other people didn’t hear it happen &/or didn’t report it until hours later?? LE said the other 2 roommates weren’t in a hostage situation so they weren’t tied up & muzzled. So how did they not hear & report?? I lived in a house with 3-4 other roommates in college & there’s absolutely NO way possible (even if I was passed out drunk) that I wouldn’t have heard & known someone, much less 4 people, were brutally stabbed to death in the house!!! This is insane!!!
On Reddit Gen z goes crazy on you if you question sleeping in till noon part or any facts or inconsistencies regarding the roommates….. and say how normal it is and how they do it and they start projecting. It’s honestly so weird the way they are defending and in the manner that they are
Surviving roommates could have drugged them all with roofies so they were confident they could kill them one by one without much trouble from the others. Has anyone asked if autopsies sought evidence of drugs in their system?
WHEN, THE Truth Comes Out!!! AND, You're absolutely RIGHT!!! That Would Sober up Even A drunk Person!!
EXACTLY DONT MAKE SENSE WHO KNOWS MAYBE THERE IN ON IT
I think the same Way.
How come if someone is struggling to save life, and nobody knows, at least
One scream, any tipe of noise , specially at those silent hours , any noise is a big noise....
They are looking for just one suspect.....
But probably there is other people involved...
I pray for families on both sides.
Nobody can bring the deceived back to life.
As for me the survivers are the ones who are suffering, the deceived,they don't feel anything anymore.....
My prayers for families and friends.
I can’t understand why this coroner is talking to the media. There should only be one stream of public communication. This is jeopardising the investigation.
Officials are acting shady as hell about this.
Damm straight..the fact there was someone there who survived but didn't call 911 until way later. The fact they say there is no threat..its just nuts
@Alex Korova no doubt! I've dealt with this exact thing. We didn't get answers for ten years. Its horrible.
My prayers are with the families, friends, and the community. Also God bless the ME and the police for having to see that. I'm sure it wasn't easy.
💙my heart goes out to these young college students 💜I pray for them and their families💙
something is not adding up ....👁👁
this is serious FOUR homicides and the public is not in danger???? seriously???
they're holding something back ...
how did they die?
who is the murderer ?is the murderer running around Idaho ?
this investigation stinks this is simply bonkers😱
They died by knife
Where they killed by only1 person or a group
WOW....Some hope here smart people are still with us. Thanks.
It was probably someone in the group
@@zss.1589 Didn't this coroner say it wasn't a murder-suicide, but four murders
If it was a stabbing it would take a very angry person do such a crime.
1:53 she didnt really want to say stabbing.. it was worse that that
She doesn't strike me as a coroner. Feels like a substitute teacher who forgot to take her xanax this morning.
That is so fn rude be kind or don’t say anything❤
THIS IS A STRANGE ONE FOR SURE!
This is horrendous quality for a 'news' group..
My heart is with their friends and family
I'm trying to get my head around this case as I'm imagining the scenarios around 4 sleeping individuals being stabbed to death.
If one girl was stabbed and she was presumably as suggested a fighter and was shown to have had the bruisings that she did show signs of a struggle on fighting back wouldn't that have woken the others up from their sleep?
If there was only one perpetrator than the others would have scrambled from the commotions of the other/others.
Was there more than one perpetrator or was it made possible for this one attacker because the young individuals(victims) were drugged prior to their demise and had no way of reacting upon their automated instincts in a fight/flight response kicking in during the process of attack?
How far apart asleep were they from the others.
Two that weren't attacked means that they weren't the targets or maybe through luck, their bedroom door were locked at that time and as they didn't witness anything they didn't pose a threat meaning the 4 were the targets .
Maybe one was the intended target and the 3 others were killed either because they were potential witnesses or there was a secret grudge on these students from an on line follower/stalker or by someone they knew.
Being slained in this way is just pure evil . Society itself has a sickness that roams within its realms, hope the person/person's are called caught .
Condolences to the families and friends 🕯️🕯️🕯️🕯️
Good Detective Work. 🔎⚖🇳🇿
Lots of questions. Four victims and nobody got one scream out according to the living roommate who could hear conversations in another room, from under a Covid mask, but no scream? Mind-boggling.
Medical examiners are people fascinated in a weird morbid way to experience crimes like this! This lady has so much to say but it’s holding on so much because is an open investigation!! Look at her body language! Speaks more than her voice….?jmo
“It was very bloody.” - said the coroner
“They must be unconscious” - said at least one person at the crime scene
How can the drug screen be irrelevant? Why didn't the coroner say how many wounds and weapons were used? To this day, 5.29.2023, police, coroner, DA have released the autopsy reports. WHY?
The defense requested an autopsy report and they say they don't have it.
@@christtyanne1 that's what I mean. That is the very first thing the turn over so the DA can show the jury and prejudice them. However, they are going to have a big problem because of this, they can't tell the jury that this case deserves the death penalty because the crime was atrocity and cruelty. This is one of the elements. I've never seen a case that didn't have autopsy reports. Just another game they're pulling. Like the DNA report, how did they come to their conclusion that it was Bryan. Believe us we did the family tree but we don't have any documents. Sound familiar.
I’m beginning to believe multiple weapons were used and they can’t allow the defense to see these results. Something is very off with Mabbutt? I sense she was NEVER at the scene at the same time as the 4 victims.
@@christtyanne1the defense has the autopsy reports but what the defense asked for was bodycam, recordings, notes, photographs and all information collected at the autopsies by Tolleson who is ISP, Vargas who is MPD and Gunnerson who may be FBI. The state responded that they do not have these items in its possession. Clarification is needed on if they exist and are still in the possession of another agency. So one lawyer said that LE when they witness autopsies usually don’t have bodycam footage of them so the defense will not be able to get that or maybe it’s something that’s done in Idaho sometimes. I heard that one of the three LE that was present should have taken notes but it’s not normal for all three of the LE that was present to take notes. Usually it’s just one would have taken notes. One defense lawyer on twitter said that they always ask for notes from the LE but they usually never get them. LE usually taken notes for investigative purposes.
This interview is inappropriate and could jeopardize the case if there will be one. This information should be released to the public by the police dept, not the coroner. She should have not agreed to this.
I know. The police aren't saying anything on purpose, this moron agrees to an interview with some random news woman. This is completely unprofessional
I agree. We the public always want to know everything there is to know about a case. Not realizing how detrimental it can be to a case! But to say the public has no worries and it wasn’t a Mr/Sd. Those two just don’t merry well!
Yes. This is sketchy at best, and unprofessional of the media and coroner.
yup. I was surprised this was done
I could not agree more. She is shocking unprofessional. Just because she is asked a question, she does not have to answer. She has no control over the interview. Something is wrong with this individual for blabbing in this tragedy.
So very sad and I hope they get justice soon
Such an awkward interview
How horrendous for someone to find these kids
Praying for their families
How was ONE person able to overtake & kill four young, healthy students? 😕
Supposedly they were all sleeping two people on each floor..
Supposedly they were all sleeping two people on each floor..
How do you control a situation of 4 adults while you stab each to death one by one? Maybe multiple attackers?
I thought that but if that’s the case wouldn’t different knives be used which would mean they will recognize that unless each killer used the same knife.
@@seizuregirlllll Hmm...good point. Guess time will tell. Just seems like the first sign of violence and everyone who run like crazy.
@@kendallevans4079 for sure they could have been sleeping, we will find out I vote send in a medium! I am sort of one not too gifted, but I have been places and felt spirits or a spirit and told the people living room and then they would tell me about someone who died there, I’ve also seen a ghost a couple times and a dark figure like black and can just feel somethings not right. It’s overwhelming
@@seizuregirlllll Wow interesting. Can I get in contact with you?
The 4 adults were asleep when killed and all four of them did not sleep in the same bedroom. We do know the guy was sleeping over with his girlfriend and for all we know the 2 other girls slept in different rooms. If stabbed while asleep there would be no time to react and, even if there was another person in the room, by the time they knew what was happening they were stabbed.
I'm so sad about this.
I've never heard of a coroner who is also a defense lawyer. How can that not be a conflict of interest?
My Granddaughter is in Colorado going to college. I hope they get this person very soon.
Why is this sh*t so quiet?
Why would she say they were all sleeping and didn’t suffer when clearly they did?!
She’s not a medical examiner just someone that could me or you hired in the position of coroner 👉she should never had done this interview & muddied the waters of this case stating a sharp object was found
I am thankful for this Coroner speaking out here and with other media. Even if what she says is hard to hear. Glad to see her honesty and giving details of the autopsy. People need to know this reality.
She was not giving information on the autopsy. The ME does the autopsy and I believe that it wasn't completed and submitted at the time Cathy gave her interview.
@@NAVY-e8eit was done the next day she was a witness.
She seems unprofessional to me. She's not a doctor. Idaho doesn't require coroners to be medical professionals.
@@patricias5122 Unprofessional? She was an RN for decades and is now a defense attorney and the coroner. Yeah --- she's just some yokel off the street.
My heart just breaks for these families I’ll never understand this sort of stuff how does one person kill four people with a knife I don’t get it they all took a photo together hours before and they all seemed happy and normal I can’t wrap my head around this I have a son in college and you have to be so careful who you hang around with please someone help me understand this
Because it’s her job…. If someone can’t manage their emotions during a job like this they shouldn’t be in that field. Same goes for police, EMTs, firefighters. It’s called professionalism. And even though you don’t see her have emotions you don’t know what negative impact this could have on her. Have some respect.
@@Rugtalk1 no need for the lecture people can be professional And still communicate compassion and empathy.
Actually Mary H was talking about the students being happy not the coroner. Mary H is saying she can. not understanding how the killing could take place not specifically but in an abstract way.
You edited your whole comment LOL
@@maryh6953
If ppl would just read comments or actually listen to the vidoes.
They wouldn't have to have other ppl explain as if their explaining to a 5 yr old..
Sometimes it blows my mind, how quickly ppl can just jump on another person all half cocked..
Thank you for being kind.
🕊.
Yes, " to the edit police " 😂
I edited this comment..
My thumbs are too big..
Just like sometimes,
I've got a big mouth.. 😂
One person couldn't have done all four without screaming and trying to get away from the one culprit.
My thoughts exactly! I think there was more than one killer.
@@rachelxtc I agree
They could have been murdered while sleeping. She wouldn't comment on the proximity of the victims.
@@scottwright388 That's true. Not enough details out yet
The Groening family was all murdered by one person. Unfortunately it could be true.
I don’t know what it is but this woman is giving nervous alcoholic. I am not confident in her ability and I don’t think she is either.
Wow I sure hope they get the perpetrator (s) off the street fast! MY prayers and condolences definitely go out to the victims and their families! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🥺
Why even interview these ppl? They never know anything and never provide any new information....
She’s a nurse not a doctor!!!
She's been a lawyer for well over 2 decades; she hasn't been an RN for quite some time. She is an elected official with political aspirations. The ME is the scientist/physician who performs all medical procedures.
How the hell did someone stab 4 grown people alone, even if it did happen in the middle of the night? Had to be more than one attacker, right????
If they were held at gunpoint and then tied up before being stabbed. Or if the victims were all sleeping and we're stabbed in vital areas so they didn't really have a chance to scream or try to get away.
Richard speck. Its very possible.
Richard Speck , Ted Bundy.....
Matthew DeGrood , calgary canada
@@bbloodyangel1 I don’t think I’ve ever heard of this guy. Gonna look it up! Thanks!
How is it the public is not in danger 🤔 😳 it's a very small place and they haven't caught anyone!so scary 😳
I was thinking murder suicide first but then I thought maybe they know the perp and have them. At least I hope the perp is not running around town.
@@teenmomAT14toRN maybe 🤔 it's just so 😖 I have a 21 year old son and it just breaks my heart that two of them were that age
@@margaretperez2647 I know I have 20 girl, 23 boy, 29 girl, 10 girl
If they said that then there must be a strong suspicion of a personal reason for this murder and not random
They may be saying this because they have information to base this on, but dont want to state it to mess up the investigation
Why didn't she give a reason why she was notified of the murders at noon but waited 8 hours to show up to the crime scene.
God bless you... 🙏 It can't be easy...
Why do a press conference if you cant tell us anything?
Thank You! 👍
They can’t jeopardize the investigation. She provided whatever information she’s allowed to give at the current point in time.
She said a lot. Too much.
@@anneharrington7951 What specifically was " too much " ?
How does two girls downstairs in a very old & SMALL house not hear FOUR of their friends getting bludgeoned to death right above them! And then they don’t call 911 for hours later and report someone fainted!? What is going on with this case???
Geez if your gonna do a news briefing;,.. Do It.
If so much blood then why isn’t there a trail outside in the white snow??? Or was it an inside job??
Honest question here, if trying to determine as close as possible the time of death, why would coroner wait over 4hrs1/ 2hrs 2 visit scene 2 view bodies?
Sorry actually 5 1/2 hr wait..
@@Spook2431NYC they probably did the liver temp at the scene.
She’s not a Medical Examiner and so, this alone is in BK’s favor bc the Coroner stated they contract w Spokane so Spokane is the entity to answer TOD👉This town didn’t have the professionals this case demanded & bc of that👉THIS is the very reason behind all the bs we’re enduring to get to the truth👉Coroners Freudian slip of “I didn’t go there” to quickly circling back around “until later”….and her body language to me makes me feel as if she has no idea what she’s talking about bc she was never there (again, she’s not a Medical Examiner) & what seals that speculation for me is she states: “a sharp object was found??!” Now, I’d like to know where she heard that bc it wasn’t ever said in a Leo press conference 👉In fact, it don’t make any sense/since why she was even interviewed bc she had nothing to offer as would a Medical Examiner & just by stating “found a sharp object” muddies the waters for me?!!….
these interviewers are terrible..
Breaking news apparently one of the ladies was text messaging somebody by the name of jack and that would have been the two ladies that were at the food cart and one of the sisters have come forward and said that her sister was text messaging this guy by the name of jack several times well that guy at the food cart he gives me the creeps
Jack was the name of their neighbour hanging around the girls at the take away stand, who look rejected. Jack is also the name of 2 of the girls boyfriends, so 3 Jack's making things confusing.
That coroner knew so much she wasn't allowed to say
Should she be giving this information out?
SO BASICALLY SHE KNOWS ZERO EVEN THOUGH SHE EXAMINED THE BODIES...WELL...WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AT LEAST AS FAR AS KNOWLEDGE GOES..." NOT GOOD"
Cathy's non disclosure has certainly provided me with more to consider when it comes to potential trauma and scene characteristics. She's obviously been traumatized by what she's seen. 😢
Cathy's composure does not indicate that by no means. She is somewhat matter of fact.
@@NAVY-e8e I'd have to disagree as I've watched one video where she's answering questions and when asked certain things her body language/facial expressions and response express quite a bit more than "matter of fact." The video here is not the the full video interview that I watched. It's either been edited out or another interview altogether. In the one I watched, Mabbutt was asked specific questions regarding victim location, extent of injuries, if the victim's had slicing injuries, and if they're necks had been cut. That video interview is where I got my information. Watch that one and then you can decide for yourself.
heartbreaking x
Why is she answering more questions than the police?
She hasnt
Medical Examiner and Coroners are 2 separate entities. Coroners are elected laypersons, who do not have to be physicians, nor possess any medical training.
Medical Examiners are physicians. They possess specific training in forensics (usually forensic pathology). The ME does all of the death investigation; performs the autopsies; conducts and interprets the labs and performs expert testimony in court.
Coroners inquire as to the cause of death; the manner of death; and sometimes complete the death certificate. Theirs is a more political and/or government procedural role. The Coroner should always consult with the ME, whom is the scientific authority.
As to the Idaho case: Cathy Mabbutt formerly practiced as an RN. She then attended law school, completing her degree over 20 years ago, having political aspirations.
Wait, 911 got the call at 11:58am and Moscow PD gets there at noon, but the coroner (Cathy Mabbutt) didn't go to the scene until 5pm or 5:30pm because of police investigating according to her own interview here ... this is very odd to me. Also seems potentially problematic for a prosecution.
@ Jennifer Cashman- I think you watch too much CSI shows. Law enforcement must secure the scene before anyone can enter, that is pretty standard and do to the amount of victims and the area that had to be secured the time sounds about right.
Why abd How is she ALLOWED TO talk about this.
Does anyone know if it was the cororner that described one of the victims being nearly decapitated? Or was that from some other source?
wow she really didnt say to much did she ,...no time frame and nothing about location or saying manner of death,.... just multiple crime scene and she even wavered on describing , " lots of blood"
The close-up of her hands says it all. She was a twisted, nervous wreck.
jesus christ pray for these kids ❤️❤️
killed? thats a car crash, they were murdered. big difference.
What caused ll that blood to seep down to underneath outside of house?
Not appropriate to ask about the scene.
She was very inappropriate mentioning blood.
Not appropriate for the Coroner to even give an interview AT ALL at this point, my mind is BLOWN!
@@Jenn_80 they wanted to clear the young man of murder suicide
There’s no way that the two girls who were also in the house didn’t know what happened. The coroner said when she showed up that there was blood everywhere, and that they were killed at night, but it took them until noon to call it in.
They were probably drunk, not getting up till noon is normal
The house was divided into three separate apartments a total of six bedrooms so they could have not heard anything which also consisted of a basement first and second floor
She lied. She just doesn't want to go there.
They are interviewing her for no reason, can't get any more information on an active case.
Do you know how numb and calm you have to be to do this job? Wow..
I work in a funeral home and its not being numb(if you're numb you need to leave the field). I am driven by giving a grieving family answers and helping them when no one else can. You are sad but you do the job and do it the best you can. I would bend over backward for my families and I give them 100% of whatever I have to give. I'm not going to lie sometimes you get nightmares from what you see but you also get an extreme understanding and peace with death and grief. It's definitely something that chooses you and that you get called upon to do by whatever you experience in life. It's a hard job, it's sometimes a sad job, but it is also a rewarding one. Finding answers, putting people back together for their loved ones, comforting the grieving, tucking people in for eternity, it's a hard job but I wouldn't trade it for the world. I will say that the calm demeanor comes from being trained to stay calm and not stress out the family in our care. For example I never run in the funeral home or on the property because if I'm running it could make the family think something is wrong. Calm behavior and tone are essential when caring for the deceased.
@@jordana6720 Bless people like you 💗
@@June-tb4vi it’s a honor and a privilege to serve my community in their most challenging moments. I do it with tremendous love.
@@jordana6720 ❤🙏😇
My grandson knew the 2 from Lake City high school 😢3 were from kootenia county
Oh man. I’m so sorry. This hurts my heart. I have a son in college still and The inability to protect them every second of the day is part of parenting once they’re a certain age they walk out the door and you can’t protect them anymore and I just don’t know what’s happening in this world there seems to be more evil than good
😢😢
The truth will come out eventually. We need to be patient.
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