@Leslie thats me DM’s room was on the 2nd floor, not the first. This was a new revelation in this Probable Cause Affidavit. If you haven’t read it yet, I suggest you do. There’s lots of good info there.
Yes. “The bedroom on the west side of the floor was later determined to be Kaylee Goncalves, hereafter *Goncalves," room. I later learned (from review of Officer Nunes' body caurera) there was a dog in the room when Moscow Police Officers initially responded.” CPL Payne, Moscow PD.
@Leslie thats me She was not on the first floor. Dylan was in the 2nd floor bedroom on the south east side, right off of the kichen, so even more so. She was on the same floor as Xana's bedroom and directly below Maddie's bedroom. Tell me how she didn't hear anything more.
@@MonaBegonia9 and a big bar under the doorknob! A little over 10 bucks, ordered from Walmart. And yes, I get it. I know if someone really wants in my home, they will get it, but by God, it won't be easy. Their struggle with the door might buy me time to get my own weapon and call 911. Every second counts.
We don't know DM's full statement.Let's give DM some grace.She's a Survivor/Witness & will have to deal w this every single day for the rest of her life.I'm convinced there's a lot more to what DM knows.
So tired of the DM conspiracy theories. No, just no. Not a shred of admissible evidence for any of them, only errant speculations & mostly flat out lies, who makes lots of accusations against a terrified 20 year old girl as if these are facts when none are in any public record document.
I agree, Lori. We’ve, thankfully, not been in that terrible place she found herself and don’t know how we’d react. We also don’t know her and how her past may have influenced how she processed the weirdness around her during that time. She was traumatized and likely will be for some time. I wish her peace. We’ll know what law enforcement thinks is vital to the case in time. Beyond that is voyeurism and people must stop acting as if it’s their right to know everything.
If I woke up at 4am in a known party house and heard noises I'd probably check it out by opening the door like she did. If I saw a stranger coming from one of my friends room I woudnt automatically think he'd killed anyone I'd think of a lot of scanerios but not that one. I'd probably feel uncomfortable and lock my bedroom door and get into bed and try to go back to sleep. If there's no more noise I'll probably succeed in doing that. It's not that difficult to figure out. Kids don't call the cops to their house for things they dont know has happened.
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe her phone died and charger was in the car or another room? Or maybe something else besides fear kept her from calling. All this judgement is so ridiculous! She’s 20 and never in her life thought she would ever have to deal with something like this. I really thought we would be better than this and not blame someone who saw this horrific tragedy done to HER FRIENDS!
@@Kwood10 people have reported that they were friends. My point isn’t about them being friends or not, my point in this is that we don’t have the full story from her yet so let’s be kind in this devastating situation.
They were all kids just starting out in life, just figuring things out. Those four angels are gone, but Dylan through her quick thinking gave the authorities a great description, even as terrified and in shock as she was. I have no doubt that her testimony will help deliver justice. God bless the families and friends, their lives are forever changed.
I really enjoyed the LIVE this evening, although it's a heart-wrenching subject! Thanks for sharing your experience & expertise with us. I really appreciate your mods & the community you've established--very respectful, dignified, empathetic & informed! You and just a few others can say that as it's becoming more rare all the time! Life is hard and there are days when it really helps. Anyway, thank you Chris, Karen and everyone. Continued prayers for all directly impacted by this horrendous crime!
Thank you Karen for reminding us all to be careful & mindful of our personal safety! Locking doors & windows should become a habit. I 'am always reminding my kids (they are in their 20's & 30's) to be careful & observant of their surroundings no matter where you are. Really appreciate you & Chris & all the informative shows I have been watching.
Thank you guys for having so much integrity. We must honor the victims and the families by being patient. That isn’t easy for true crime fans. But we need to check ourselves always. ❤
I think the observation that you made while filming your report when you were in Moscow . T&e Elantra being seen by you going down that road behind the house when you went back and looked at your video. That was great.
This is the BEST review & discussion I have heard thus far! 👏👏👏 It was fantastic & I really enjoyed it! Thanks Chris & Karen for such quality & thorough content regarding this case! ❤😊❤
Grizzly True Crime recommended your channel & so glad I came to check you out. My husband calls me Sweetheart & I think you referring to you wife as “Honey” or “Sweetheart” is very endearing & respectful❤
Let's all tune in to our EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE and STOP JUDGING DYLAN. She was obviously in SHOCK and FEAR FOR HER LIFE. PERIOD. Please google what happens PHYSIOLOGICALLY to a HUMAN when a person's SAFETY IS IN JEOPARDY. Freezing up in SHOCK IS A SURVIVAL MECHANISM which is HARD WIRED into our HUMAN MIND. Please people, THINK and READ BEFORE you JUDGE DYLAN.
He is obsessive. The parking place he picked is used. The doordash shows up. Ethan was there. Both girls in one room. DM awake. messed up his thought processes.
Great live. I always love when Karen is on the show with you. I heard the trial will be televised. Is this true ? I hope they sent the glove to the lab, that could link to him also.
Thank you so much, Chris and Karen. 💜 You both are awesome and I love listening to your channel. Remember on the 13th at approximately 4:00 a.m., Xana received a Door Dash delivery. Maybe that might be some of the reason why BK kept driving by the girls house several times before he entered the house?
Could the DNA be under the edge of the snap? The round 3 dimensional flattish snap, underneath by the leather. The top may be clean, but a little DNA underneath the edge of the snap. Great show!
I so enjoy when Chris and Karen are on a live together. Sorry I missed it but as always definitely watching the replay. Thank you both for making it easier for me to understand what's going on and what's going to happen. Also I've learned so much from you both. Thank you again 💙👮♂️💙👮♂️💙
I have been a corrections officer and a police officer for most of my life. I can already see that this guy is going to be one of those inmates that is going to be a problem, no matter where he is. We always have inmates that like to push buttons and play head games, but every once in a while you get an inmate that pushes the envelope and is just a constant problem. Even when he is not saying anything or doing anything. He will be one of those that will sit and plot or scheme. He will take advantage of newer or inexperienced officers. Those type of inmates always hated me because I always stayed 5 steps ahead of them. Point is I can see how this guy is going to be that inmate!!
Depends on the facility. Most of all prisons are over populated and do not have single cells. Most have two inmates. After he is first convicted and starts through the system, he will go through a medical evaluation and classification system. I seen a photo of him when he was first arrested and in the county prison. He was wearing a green "turtle" suit. He must have been put on suicide watch because that's what inmates wear when they are deemed suicidal. He must have answered the intake questions and was flagged suicidal. They wear nothing under those green turtle suits and are put on a 24 hour watch.
Thank you Chris and Karen, you two explain things very well always with respect and patience with those of us who are still on a steep learning curve. It’s simply heartbreaking for the victims their families and friends also the accused family and friends, his lecturers and mentoring Professor and the terrible hurt and harsh judgements hurled at the flatmate who saw the accused is so worrying and potentially destructive. 🌸🙂
Breath easy folks. DNA is not the only round of ammo that the prosecution has in its clip. There is his vehicle caught on video in the area during the time the crime was being committed. There is his cell phone in the area of the victims on numerous occasions, including the hours shortly after the murders. There is DM's description of the intruder which closely resembles BK. Finally, there is his behavior in Pennsylvania. OJ had a user friendly jury. BK won't.
There’s also the evidence in the car, the apartment, his computer, credit card purchases. The list goes on. I think he left blood from the bottom of his shoe on the accelerator and brake pedals in the car and didn’t think to clean them. He really isn’t that smart.
I really love your channel and appreciate all your expert knowledge on these cases. Thank you both ! God bless those beautiful young people and their family and friends.
There are 12 times that we know off where he stalked the home/victims..there may be more times when he had his phone off ..also everyone needs to be thankful that Dillon is still with us ,and can give testimony, she had her door cracked and peeping out luckily I don't believe he even seen her ,he knew what rooms he wanted and that's where he went to carry out his savage attack, ..I am praying for the family's and these beautiful souls daily..God grant them the strength to endure the following month's and year's
I agree with you Truthsticks, I think BK did not expect Ethan after he left Maddie and Kaylee, he then heard Xana and then ran into Ethan. Once his evil deeds were done, I believe he was desperate to immediately get out. I highly doubt if he noticed Dylan peeking out of her door, because he was just hell bent to escape. I will bet the dog was barking like mad after hearing the movement and unfortunately smelling the blood, making for a very chaotic atmosphere. BKs adrenalin was probably racing and the only thing on his mind was likely ESCAPE.😢
Idaho Police are known for keeping zipped regarding cases. I am impressed at the growing collection of evidence and data. They obviously are making sure BK cannot walk free and the charges stick. Please think about Dylan and Bethany and the families having to deal with acquittal.
Lizzie… What an amazing channel and video. You are excellent and thorough. You open up a different view to everything. Well done! My opinion is DM did not know this man she saw passing her room murdered anybody. Its a party house. There used to be people in the house all hours. Thats why she probably went to sleep and woke up late the morning and fainted when she discovered her friends were murdered. That explains the delay in reporting.
I still can't wrap my mind around why DM didn't call the police once she was in her room with the door closed and locked. I can relate to freezing in terror, but once she was able to move to close her bedroom door she would have been capable of dialing 911. Not only did she not call 911 she waited 8 hours!!! I have experienced being so frightened I couldn't move or open my mouth to scream a couple times in my life. Once I was finally able to move I was moving FAST...my mind was going lightening speed, but everything seemed to slow down, and I remember details I normally would not. Imagine watching a movie played in slow motion. Years later I still remember every detail....burned into my memory. Having experienced this kind of fear I just don't get her reaction of waiting 8 hours to do anything. There must be details the police haven't released yet.
Not only her but the other roommate either. Not much about her and why she done nothing either. Supposedly they call friends first. What the heck.? They saw a crime scene and called friends first.? I guess you had to be there but usually their phones aren't far from them either.
Listening to the replay tonight. Great discussion. Now, it is time to find who killed that little dog and bring justice.That also breaks my heart. Just horrifying
That's all I have thought about for months. Not being negative in any way but I always felt strongly that the dog being skinned like a deer (minus his ears and paws) then filet like a fish should have drawn more attention- further investigation. The details in the original article listed even more crazy incidents with rabbits, etc. I looked the address up on Google maps and it is a very rural area around apple orchards and the folks lived on a one way in/out drive. Plus poor Buddy probably had some forensic clues that could of lead to the heartless person who did that to him.
@Regina Gilreath Ballard I agree that baby needs justice, but since it isn't a human, most law enforcement don't care. Animals don't get the same attention or care they deserve, and it is beyond upsetting. We also need harsher punishment for abuse of any other living being so we could maybe stop these evil acts.
He moved to Pullman, Washington on the 25th of June; Fall semester in WSU begins August the 17th... By the 20th August he spends an hour from 10:30 p.m. to 11:34 p.m. near the girl's house... Doing what? How did he target either the house or the girls living in it? Where were these girls from Juneteenth up to the 21st of August? Is there any proof of interactions online? Or in person at the Mad Greek? I'd love to have the answers for these doubts in my mind...
Chris 'n Karen R AwesOme!! Didn't get to watch when was Live, but watched later. Thank ya both & God Bless. ((Watching from Central Illinois (Chillicothe)) *Shared
I think that Kohberger conducted a few dry runs going into the victim’s house when there was no one inside; or when the victims were asleep looking for the bedrooms where Kaylee; and Madison slept.
Thankyou for the great presentation, also it was good to hear your wife's thoughts on this awful case. Prayers to all the families involved. Blessings to you and your wife and family.
Chris we’re not going to beat you up for calling Karen , honey. That’s so sweet there should be more of it with couples today. 💛✨ it’s so nice to hear.
He seemed to be a humble working man who was so proud of his son working on his PhD. But I’m confused about the behavior in Pennsylvania. Was it just B who cleaned his car at night and put new plates on it? Wouldn’t his parents have had to know he was changing the license plates? (It was the Mom’s car?) I can see him telling his parents that his car has been cleared. But I don’t know if both he and his father changed the plates and cleaned. Just don’t know. It seems like B’s interests were dominant in the family: his mom wrote that letter about being humane toward Ted Bundy, and his sister reportedly acted in a horror film/ video of knife slayings a few years ago. It seems so bizarre. Anyone have links to that letter or the sister’s film?
Yay! Was hoping you’d have Dr. Gary and Dr. Ann back soon. Love them both! I never get tired of hearing them impart their experience and perspective. I tune into your channel and others similar where I learn and become better educated about what I’m tuning into and it’s based in reality and facts. Thank you and Karen for being so professional and ethical and presenting very informative discussions with superior guests.💝💤💝🙏🏻 P.S. I’m quite envious of your Airstream life. 😁. It’s a dream of mine to do the same thing when I retire in a couple of years.🤞🏻🤞🏻
@@OnlyHumanMe I agree completely. I watched that too. I’ve seen her interviewed a few times but never that deeply. Can’t imagine the trauma she deals with on a daily basis. My heart just breaks for her.💔😢🙏🏻
Unless he put it in a pocket or a bag of some sort. And what if he forgot the knife too? The affidavit doesn't say that but who know what they left out? I highly doubt he'd forget the knife but it's a thought.
@@susanmaguire or he hid it somewhere around the property or in the house. Which is mortifying. We all know they went in and took evidence but what if he knew the house so well it's like in a wall that was exposed IE some work being done in the home etc. We don't know the time period he took to really get out of the house and the remaining 2 alive did nothing but stay in their rooms awake and or asleep either way gave him a lot of time to really hide that knife in the house. He seems cocky enough to do that don't you think? I think just the 100s of hours I've seen of this now, I would believe that. He's looking for star state. He wants books, movies, he wants to be like BTK..... Sigh. This is all so sad.
The number 12 is bugging me big time. House number- 12 inside the number 12. 12 stalkings. 12pm. 12th. 12 phone pings. 12 weeks before attack etc. Odd? Anything to ponder on?
Great program Chris and Karen thank you.. and I love how you broadcast from the Airstream...just gives the show a great deal of atmosphere...especially at night...Thank you...
Isn’t it strange that he was graduating in June in PA and by Aug he’s found his future victims? I’m curious for digital forensics to come out to see if he found them BEFORE he moved to WA
Hello dears, Chris&Karen, your streamings are priceless, thank you SO MUCH! Guys, you have not mentioned, on his return to the Crime Scene, anything about a statement he is reported to have made to a neighbour, would it be?, where he asked "have you heard about the ... murders (? can't remember the exact words of the person I think interviewed by a news agency), they haven't caught anybody yet. I think it was a crime of passion". This is VERY BIG about his revisit before any authorities had been contacted yet! What do you think of all that? Please tell us if you can. Thank you so much in advance of all your invaluable help. Many blessings, Line-Marie, from Leeds, England, United Kingdom
Actually the perp returned to see the activity by Police, Coroners office etc. I don’t believe the perp missed the sheath until much later . Just my opinion😮
there was more going on in that house beside the 4 murders. kaylee was told to keep the noise down in that house way back in Sept. A young man was standing next to Kaylee with zip ties on both wrists No one said a thing about the zip ties
I believe that was Dylan but still to me it shows concerns about her safety imo. I feel they were probably stalked by kohberger prior to it all. It's sad what transpired I hope he gets what he deserves.
Door dash! I was just thinking, he drove around 3 times at what time? 4:04 am? He saw door dash and had to wait, so drove around until after they left?
When a person personally experiences the brutal death of a friend, they will never get over it, reliving it daily for the rest of their lives! Believe me! Reference: Richard Ramirez, the night stalker, arcadia,ca. June 1985. So all you doubters, stop bullying the Idaho roommate,dm!!!!!
My mistake the dog was in a separate room when PD arrived.
Now i have to go apologize to a bunch of people too, lol
@Leslie thats me Dylan had moved from the first floor to the second floor bedroom opposite the kitchen, on the southeast side of the house.
@Leslie thats me DM’s room was on the 2nd floor, not the first. This was a new revelation in this Probable Cause Affidavit. If you haven’t read it yet, I suggest you do. There’s lots of good info there.
Yes. “The bedroom on the west side of the floor was later determined to be Kaylee Goncalves, hereafter *Goncalves," room. I later learned (from review of Officer Nunes' body caurera) there was a dog in the room when Moscow Police Officers initially responded.” CPL Payne, Moscow PD.
@Leslie thats me She was not on the first floor. Dylan was in the 2nd floor bedroom on the south east side, right off of the kichen, so even more so. She was on the same floor as Xana's bedroom and directly below Maddie's bedroom. Tell me how she didn't hear anything more.
I don't care where you live. Lock your doors ALWAYS!
Lock your car doors also
Absolutely. I’ve started putting a metal bar between my sliding Glassdoor and the other side of it too.
& if ur 'stalked', harrassed ect. COMMUNICATE & DOCUMENT....IT IS CRITICAL!
@@MonaBegonia9 and a big bar under the doorknob! A little over 10 bucks, ordered from Walmart. And yes, I get it. I know if someone really wants in my home, they will get it, but by God, it won't be easy. Their struggle with the door might buy me time to get my own weapon and call 911. Every second counts.
@@sunnyskye213 but often Ppl don't get the help they need. Once again, "the system" sometimes isn't worth a damn.
We don't know DM's full statement.Let's give DM some grace.She's a Survivor/Witness & will have to deal w this every single day for the rest of her life.I'm convinced there's a lot more to what DM knows.
I hope you're right.
Absolutely❤DM ((hugs)) 🙏🏻
So tired of the DM conspiracy theories. No, just no. Not a shred of admissible evidence for any of them, only errant speculations & mostly flat out lies, who makes lots of accusations against a terrified 20 year old girl as if these are facts when none are in any public record document.
I agree, Lori. We’ve, thankfully, not been in that terrible place she found herself and don’t know how we’d react. We also don’t know her and how her past may have influenced how she processed the weirdness around her during that time. She was traumatized and likely will be for some time. I wish her peace. We’ll know what law enforcement thinks is vital to the case in time. Beyond that is voyeurism and people must stop acting as if it’s their right to know everything.
If I woke up at 4am in a known party house and heard noises I'd probably check it out by opening the door like she did. If I saw a stranger coming from one of my friends room I woudnt automatically think he'd killed anyone I'd think of a lot of scanerios but not that one. I'd probably feel uncomfortable and lock my bedroom door and get into bed and try to go back to sleep. If there's no more noise I'll probably succeed in doing that. It's not that difficult to figure out. Kids don't call the cops to their house for things they dont know has happened.
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe her phone died and charger was in the car or another room? Or maybe something else besides fear kept her from calling. All this judgement is so ridiculous! She’s 20 and never in her life thought she would ever have to deal with something like this. I really thought we would be better than this and not blame someone who saw this horrific tragedy done to HER FRIENDS!
Just because they are roommates doesn’t mean they are friends.
@@Kwood10 people have reported that they were friends. My point isn’t about them being friends or not, my point in this is that we don’t have the full story from her yet so let’s be kind in this devastating situation.
They were all kids just starting out in life, just figuring things out. Those four angels are gone, but Dylan through her quick thinking gave the authorities a great description, even as terrified and in shock as she was. I have no doubt that her testimony will help deliver justice. God bless the families and friends, their lives are forever changed.
They were all just babes. I think DM was 19. Her and B new to the house
Have they searched his parents house?
I really enjoyed the LIVE this evening, although it's a heart-wrenching subject! Thanks for sharing your experience & expertise with us. I really appreciate your mods & the community you've established--very respectful, dignified, empathetic & informed! You and just a few others can say that as it's becoming more rare all the time! Life is hard and there are days when it really helps. Anyway, thank you Chris, Karen and everyone. Continued prayers for all directly impacted by this horrendous crime!
Thank you Karen for reminding us all to be careful & mindful of our personal safety! Locking doors & windows should become a habit. I 'am always reminding my kids (they are in their 20's & 30's) to be careful & observant of their surroundings no matter where you are. Really appreciate you & Chris & all the informative shows I have been watching.
Thank you guys for having so much integrity. We must honor the victims and the families by being patient. That isn’t easy for true crime fans. But we need to check ourselves always. ❤
You are an incredible TEAM! Line-Marie from Leeds England UK
I think the observation that you made while filming your report when you were in Moscow . T&e Elantra being seen by you going down that road behind the house when you went back and looked at your video. That was great.
I enjoy Karen’s perspective. You both are a phenomenal team!
One thing that's impressed me with hindsight is how much Chris has accurately forecast what would happen since this was streamed. It's uncanny.
Oh, thank you so very much for all you and Karen do, for keeping it honest and classy! ! God bless and stay safe and healthy!
This is the BEST review & discussion I have heard thus far! 👏👏👏 It was fantastic & I really enjoyed it! Thanks Chris & Karen for such quality & thorough content regarding this case! ❤😊❤
I absolutely love your show! Thank you so much and so glad to find this channel! ❤
Great LIVE Show, Chris & Wife. 👍🙏
Grizzly True Crime recommended your channel & so glad I came to check you out. My husband calls me Sweetheart & I think you referring to you wife as “Honey” or “Sweetheart” is very endearing & respectful❤
Let's all tune in to our EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE and STOP JUDGING DYLAN. She was obviously in SHOCK and FEAR FOR HER LIFE. PERIOD. Please google what happens PHYSIOLOGICALLY to a HUMAN when a person's SAFETY IS IN JEOPARDY. Freezing up in SHOCK IS A SURVIVAL MECHANISM which is HARD WIRED into our HUMAN MIND. Please people, THINK and READ BEFORE you JUDGE DYLAN.
Yes!
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Thanks!
Thank you Charlene!
Beautiful, talented and trustworthy duo! So glad Karen is your special guest tonight. God bless you both
Thank you Chris and Karen ❤
First time watching your show..Thank you for your professionalism, your passion ..
Anybody can get a Ph.D. I am sick of hearing of how smart Kohlberger is. He isn't the brightest bulb in the pack.
Totally agree I love how people use that like he is some mastermind cause he was currently working on his phd it’s like settle down people
I enjoy your channel so much. You are both so good at your jobs. Thank you.
Thank you so much!
From now on, my hubby needs to be introducing me like how Chris introduces Karen! 😂 love you guys!
Love it!!
Classy and informative as always!! Thank ya'll
Hi watching from South Africa.
Thank you for your channel
He is obsessive. The parking place he picked is used. The doordash shows up. Ethan was there. Both girls in one room. DM awake. messed up his thought processes.
Great points Linda!
Great live. I always love when Karen is on the show with you. I heard the trial will be televised. Is this true ? I hope they sent the glove to the lab, that could link to him also.
Thank you Wild Cherry!
Thank you so much, Chris and Karen. 💜 You both are awesome and I love listening to your channel.
Remember on the 13th at approximately 4:00 a.m., Xana received a Door Dash delivery. Maybe that might be some of the reason why BK kept driving by the girls house several times before he entered the house?
I just found your channel and I’m really enjoying it. Thank you to you and Karen for all your insights.
Thank you for being with us.
I don’t think he threw away the weapon, he hid it somewhere. It’s too important to him, it’s a killer’s souvenir.
I believe he hid it at his parents house. Every boy has a hiding place from his parents and I think he put it in his own safe place
Could the DNA be under the edge of the snap? The round 3 dimensional flattish snap, underneath by the leather. The top may be clean, but a little DNA underneath the edge of the snap. Great show!
Great podcast! Very interesting to see the dynamic from Chris and his wife makes it a detailed crime rollercoaster!
I so enjoy when Chris and Karen are on a live together. Sorry I missed it but as always definitely watching the replay. Thank you both for making it easier for me to understand what's going on and what's going to happen. Also I've learned so much from you both. Thank you again
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Great production Chris and Karen!! Love you both!! ❤
Watching the replay... Thank you Chris and Karen for explaining the details the way you two do 💕
I enjoy when “both” of you are on. Each of you streamline the show.
Just looking at him makes the hair on my neck stands up.
If you go to bed around 4a.m. then you likely wake up around noon. Makes sense to me.
She was asleep and what was going on in the house is why she got awake at 4 a.m.
you are both soooo helpful in explaining the facts and telling us not to get caught up in the defense team smoke and mirrors!!!
Hi Karen!! I love when you have her on!
Excellent work guys
I think he's been in that house when they were not home...
I have been a corrections officer and a police officer for most of my life. I can already see that this guy is going to be one of those inmates that is going to be a problem, no matter where he is. We always have inmates that like to push buttons and play head games, but every once in a while you get an inmate that pushes the envelope and is just a constant problem. Even when he is not saying anything or doing anything. He will be one of those that will sit and plot or scheme. He will take advantage of newer or inexperienced officers. Those type of inmates always hated me because I always stayed 5 steps ahead of them. Point is I can see how this guy is going to be that inmate!!
Will they put Bryan by himself in a cell?
Depends on the facility. Most of all prisons are over populated and do not have single cells. Most have two inmates. After he is first convicted and starts through the system, he will go through a medical evaluation and classification system. I seen a photo of him when he was first arrested and in the county prison. He was wearing a green "turtle" suit. He must have been put on suicide watch because that's what inmates wear when they are deemed suicidal. He must have answered the intake questions and was flagged suicidal. They wear nothing under those green turtle suits and are put on a 24 hour watch.
@@bobbylippencott4478 thank you for the information just curious how it works
Thank you Chris and Karen, you two explain things very well always with respect and patience with those of us who are still on a steep learning curve. It’s simply heartbreaking for the victims their families and friends also the accused family and friends, his lecturers and mentoring Professor and the terrible hurt and harsh judgements hurled at the flatmate who saw the accused is so worrying and potentially destructive. 🌸🙂
Chris, given your history as a homicide investigator & had a bad dream about BK that startled you just shows how kindhearted you are! ❤
I too dream about old friends and family members being murdered... and at almost 75 I am way too old to let this become a stressor.
@@deborahgleason7885 Friends & family being murdered? That's morbid.
Yay! So glad Karen’s back! Love when it’s the 2 of you!
I just found you both 💗
Great job 😍
Thanks
Thank you for your kindness!
Breath easy folks. DNA is not the only round of ammo that the prosecution has in its clip. There is his vehicle caught on video in the area during the time the crime was being committed. There is his cell phone in the area of the victims on numerous occasions, including the hours shortly after the murders. There is DM's description of the intruder which closely resembles BK. Finally, there is his behavior in Pennsylvania. OJ had a user friendly jury. BK won't.
That's only the evidence we know of, they usually don't show everything in a probable cause affidavit.
What if he dropped evidence in the restroom @ the grocery store? Like in the garbage or in the toilet tanks 🚽
There’s also the evidence in the car, the apartment, his computer, credit card purchases. The list goes on. I think he left blood from the bottom of his shoe on the accelerator and brake pedals in the car and didn’t think to clean them. He really isn’t that smart.
OJ killed them years before social media, or the internet.
I really love your channel and appreciate all your expert knowledge on these cases. Thank you both ! God bless those beautiful young people and their family and friends.
There are 12 times that we know off where he stalked the home/victims..there may be more times when he had his phone off ..also everyone needs to be thankful that Dillon is still with us ,and can give testimony, she had her door cracked and peeping out luckily I don't believe he even seen her ,he knew what rooms he wanted and that's where he went to carry out his savage attack, ..I am praying for the family's and these beautiful souls daily..God grant them the strength to endure the following month's and year's
I agree with you Truthsticks, I think BK did not expect Ethan after he left Maddie and Kaylee, he then heard Xana and then ran into Ethan. Once his evil deeds were done, I believe he was desperate to immediately get
out. I highly doubt if he noticed Dylan peeking out of her door, because he was just hell bent to escape. I will bet the dog was barking like mad after hearing the movement and unfortunately smelling the blood, making for a very chaotic atmosphere. BKs adrenalin was probably racing and the only thing on his mind was likely ESCAPE.😢
No that's just phone pings which aren't exact lol
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Idaho Police are known for keeping zipped regarding cases. I am impressed at the growing collection of evidence and data. They obviously are making sure BK cannot walk free and the charges stick. Please think about Dylan and Bethany and the families having to deal with acquittal.
The roommates kept quiet, the neighbors with the video too!
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Lizzie… What an amazing channel and video. You are excellent and thorough. You open up a different view to everything. Well done! My opinion is DM did not know this man she saw passing her room murdered anybody. Its a party house. There used to be people in the house all hours. Thats why she probably went to sleep and woke up late the morning and fainted when she discovered her friends were murdered. That explains the delay in reporting.
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I still can't wrap my mind around why DM didn't call the police once she was in her room with the door closed and locked. I can relate to freezing in terror, but once she was able to move to close her bedroom door she would have been capable of dialing 911. Not only did she not call 911 she waited 8 hours!!!
I have experienced being so frightened I couldn't move or open my mouth to scream a couple times in my life. Once I was finally able to move I was moving FAST...my mind was going lightening speed, but everything seemed to slow down, and I remember details I normally would not. Imagine watching a movie played in slow motion. Years later I still remember every detail....burned into my memory. Having experienced this kind of fear I just don't get her reaction of waiting 8 hours to do anything. There must be details the police haven't released yet.
Unexplainable!
Not only her but the other roommate either. Not much about her and why she done nothing either. Supposedly they call friends first. What the heck.? They saw a crime scene and called friends first.? I guess you had to be there but usually their phones aren't far from them either.
@@margaretriley6428 Very good point with the phones...and very true about calling the friends first. I guess these people never heard of 911.
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Listening to the replay tonight. Great discussion. Now, it is time to find who killed that little dog and bring justice.That also breaks my heart. Just horrifying
That's all I have thought about for months. Not being negative in any way but I always felt strongly that the dog being skinned like a deer (minus his ears and paws) then filet like a fish should have drawn more attention- further investigation. The details in the original article listed even more crazy incidents with rabbits, etc. I looked the address up on Google maps and it is a very rural area around apple orchards and the folks lived on a one way in/out drive. Plus poor Buddy probably had some forensic clues that could of lead to the heartless person who did that to him.
@Regina Gilreath Ballard I agree that baby needs justice, but since it isn't a human, most law enforcement don't care. Animals don't get the same attention or care they deserve, and it is beyond upsetting. We also need harsher punishment for abuse of any other living being so we could maybe stop these evil acts.
Just found this a week ago, and I'm hooked. Chris, NEVER apologize for calling your wife by an endearing name.! Love you both!
He moved to Pullman, Washington on the 25th of June; Fall semester in WSU begins August the 17th... By the 20th August he spends an hour from 10:30 p.m. to 11:34 p.m. near the girl's house... Doing what? How did he target either the house or the girls living in it? Where were these girls from Juneteenth up to the 21st of August? Is there any proof of interactions online? Or in person at the Mad Greek? I'd love to have the answers for these doubts in my mind...
I am wondering which one of the kids was home that night. It may tell us the target.
Me too, such a short timeframe and wasn’t M not there during that time working/internship in another state?
Calling your wife ‘honey’ is not something anyone should have to explain or worry about.
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I think that Kohberger conducted a few dry runs going into the victim’s house when there was no one inside; or when the victims were asleep looking for the bedrooms where Kaylee; and Madison
slept.
He left the knife sheath by mistake. When he realized that he didn't have it later he returned but was afraid to go in to retrieve it.
You two are so smart and so cute! Thank u for covering the case!
When I read the affidavit, I said the same thing.. we're gonna have another OJ trial
Thankyou for the great presentation, also it was good to hear your wife's thoughts on this awful case. Prayers to all the families involved. Blessings to you and your wife and family.
Chris we’re not going to beat you up for calling Karen , honey.
That’s so sweet there should be more of it with couples today. 💛✨ it’s so nice to hear.
Someone on the news did, not realizing they are married.
Prayers for the families
3:25 Awwe your wife is Beautiful🥰 Awesome special guest!
Hello Karen and Chris from Midland NC love your show
Your Karen is beautiful and adds so much wisdom to the show. She definitely has your back. Your colleagues at the Cold Case Foundation are superb!
Really great summation... thanks C & K!
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I don't hold anything against Bryan's father. My guess is that he was in the dark the whole time.
He seemed to be a humble working man who was so proud of his son working on his PhD.
But I’m confused about the behavior in Pennsylvania. Was it just B who cleaned his car at night and put new plates on it? Wouldn’t his parents have had to know he was changing the license plates? (It was the Mom’s car?)
I can see him telling his parents that his car has been cleared. But I don’t know if both he and his father changed the plates and cleaned. Just don’t know.
It seems like B’s interests were dominant in the family: his mom wrote that letter about being humane toward Ted Bundy, and his sister reportedly acted in a horror film/ video of knife slayings a few years ago. It seems so bizarre.
Anyone have links to that letter or the sister’s film?
Yay! Was hoping you’d have Dr. Gary and Dr. Ann back soon. Love them both! I never get tired of hearing them impart their experience and perspective. I tune into your channel and others similar where I learn and become better educated about what I’m tuning into and it’s based in reality and facts. Thank you and Karen for being so professional and ethical and presenting very informative discussions with superior guests.💝💤💝🙏🏻
P.S. I’m quite envious of your Airstream life. 😁. It’s a dream of mine to do the same thing when I retire in a couple of years.🤞🏻🤞🏻
I know they are amazing, they have a fantastic interview with Kerri BTK daughter. Kerri is such an inspiration 😇
@@OnlyHumanMe I agree completely. I watched that too. I’ve seen her interviewed a few times but never that deeply. Can’t imagine the trauma she deals with on a daily basis. My heart just breaks for her.💔😢🙏🏻
So if he left the sheath upstairs, he would have been carrying an exposed knife while he left....
Unless he put it in a pocket or a bag of some sort. And what if he forgot the knife too? The affidavit doesn't say that but who know what they left out?
I highly doubt he'd forget the knife but it's a thought.
@@susanmaguire or he hid it somewhere around the property or in the house. Which is mortifying. We all know they went in and took evidence but what if he knew the house so well it's like in a wall that was exposed IE some work being done in the home etc. We don't know the time period he took to really get out of the house and the remaining 2 alive did nothing but stay in their rooms awake and or asleep either way gave him a lot of time to really hide that knife in the house. He seems cocky enough to do that don't you think? I think just the 100s of hours I've seen of this now, I would believe that. He's looking for star state. He wants books, movies, he wants to be like BTK..... Sigh. This is all so sad.
@@susanmaguire Any theory is worth considering until we know what really went down!
Love your show, and yes Karen has tons of wisdom and speaks with care and love.
The number 12 is bugging me big time. House number- 12 inside the number 12. 12 stalkings. 12pm. 12th. 12 phone pings. 12 weeks before attack etc. Odd? Anything to ponder on?
Nope! OCD?
Great program Chris and Karen thank you.. and I love how you broadcast from the Airstream...just gives the show a great deal of atmosphere...especially at night...Thank you...
No, Affidavit said Kaylee’s Dog Murphy was in Kaylee’s room.
Kaylee and Maddy were in Maddy’s room.
Correct
This is amazing work!
A former seal team member said that the sheath could be a
"Godwink" meaning a real miracle
Great show, thanks.
Thanks for listening
Isn’t it strange that he was graduating in June in PA and by Aug he’s found his future victims?
I’m curious for digital forensics to come out to see if he found them BEFORE he moved to WA
Great show thank you.
Y’all are the best🥰
Hello dears, Chris&Karen, your streamings are priceless, thank you SO MUCH! Guys, you have not mentioned, on his return to the Crime Scene, anything about a statement he is reported to have made to a neighbour, would it be?, where he asked "have you heard about the ... murders (? can't remember the exact words of the person I think interviewed by a news agency), they haven't caught anybody yet. I think it was a crime of passion". This is VERY BIG about his revisit before any authorities had been contacted yet! What do you think of all that? Please tell us if you can. Thank you so much in advance of all your invaluable help. Many blessings, Line-Marie, from Leeds, England, United Kingdom
He returned the next morning, looking for the knife cover, thinking maybe he dropped it.
Actually the perp returned to see the activity by Police, Coroners office etc. I don’t believe the perp missed the sheath until much later . Just my opinion😮
there was more going on in that house beside the 4 murders. kaylee was told to keep the noise down in that house way back in Sept. A young man was standing next to Kaylee with zip ties on both wrists No one said a thing about the zip ties
@ Chris and Karen I’m so sorry for your loss 🙏🙏🙏🤗🤗
?? Xana recently had her father change her bedroom locks. I wonder if she felt someone had been in her room.
I believe that was Dylan but still to me it shows concerns about her safety imo. I feel they were probably stalked by kohberger prior to it all. It's sad what transpired I hope he gets what he deserves.
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Door dash! I was just thinking, he drove around 3 times at what time? 4:04 am? He saw door dash and had to wait, so drove around until after they left?
Great stream as always Chris, and with sweet Mrs Karen’s added knowledge! 💙❤️
When a person personally experiences the brutal death of a friend, they will never get over it, reliving it daily for the rest of their lives! Believe me! Reference: Richard Ramirez, the night stalker, arcadia,ca. June 1985. So all you doubters, stop bullying the Idaho roommate,dm!!!!!
Thank you for this
Sorry I missed the live, with my sickness sleeping alone. Catch up gang. Thank you Chris and Karen.
He felt he was smarter than the police and investigators. He was truly wrong.