Shooting for the first time my ar pistol with brand new 100 rd drum mag & Franklin Armory binary trigger, had a couple of double feeds..well see how it hold up.
The Fostech binary triggers are more reliable because they eliminate the possibility of hammer follow by engaging the full auto profile. on the bolt carrier. Of course that means they require a full auto profile bolt carrier, but most of them already are.
I like using white lithium grease for the buffer spring, but it can get on the bolt if you're too generous. I don't see this as an issue, but if someone does, they're still better off lubing the buffer spring with the same oil as the bolt. Lithium grease nearly eliminates all the rattle
Yeah all that sounds good and probably draw a crowd of ducks only thing off about that AR is the dumb drum and the person firing it attempting to look the way you sound
@@OmegaBahn I would hope so. I just see a lot of posts on firearms sites about having a drum mag ready to go at all time. I am just thinking thinking to myself, you better hope it doesn’t jam at a critical moment if that’s your SHTF mag..
False. Drums are meant to be used either on Semi Auto or Full Auto. Never on Bursts like these. I own a KCI Drum and a SightMark Wolverine, both products impressed me, couse none of them will ever let me down in a real life situation besides all the bs people say about them (not talking about you specifically, it's just because Drums will not work properly with binnary triggers or rapid fire)
I think this setup would run flawless with normal 30 magazines. I was starting to think it had something to do with the drum mag causing the gun not to function correctly or causing it to feed to fast. Remember, it's not the looks that will save your ass it's how prepared you are to go the extra mile and how you and your firearm operate. I would trash that drum mag and get yourself some decent 30rd mags.
Agree 1000%, drum mags are horrible when compared to good, 30 rd mags. But I inderstand he wanted to unload a shit ton of ammo without reloading so fast when at the range.
I had similar problems with my 7.5 inch pistol in .300 blackout, FA Binary trigger Gen III and a 100 round RWB drum. The problem was hammer follow due to the tendency of pistol length AR's to be overgassed and the velocity of the bolt carrier over running the ability of the trigger to reset, or to cause light primer strikes. By experimenting with a combination of heavier recoil springs and h, H1, or even H2 and h3 recoil buffers, I found the right combination and it works flawlessly all of the time. Use the heavier hammer spring if you are using heavier grade military primers.
His was clearly full auto tho so it’s different trigger component probably bootleg that don’t fit his rifle so somethings blocking it when it goes to feed or it’s just because you guys think it’s more practical to have a 100 round drum that weighs 10lbs instead of a 100 round clip🧐🧐🤡
Velocity of the bcg has nothing to do with it. Light hammer strikes is what’s causing the problem. FA includes a heavier hammer spring just in case this happens
I havent ever had an issue with my ARs and I use the same magpul mags. From a $500 M&P 15 to an over $2k Dissent 6.5" AR15. Never a hiccup on any of my rifles with the magpuls.
Yes I went back a couple weeks later and ran pretty flawlessly with 30 round mags I just wasn’t able to record much, even the drum runs pretty good just not on binary.
A lot of guns with binary triggers that you put drums on run much better with hotter amo. If its gonna be a drum gun you can experiment with different kinds of springs and buffers and different amounts of gas and stuff and see what works the best. And yes the old drums where known for not being reliable just on their own. But they have a ton of new ones that tend to work really well now.
@@gunsnstripes4473 Those triggers have to be shimmed properly and according to the manufacturer .0020 inch can make the difference between it functioning and not functioning
I like those drums but they are hit and miss.... I had one that ran and worked flawlessly but had 2 that just ran like shit or broke after one or two uses. The dummy rounds that act as the follower broke on both of them. I use a 90rd snail now and have never had any feed issues and only 1 light primer strike (out ran the binary)
I guess no one goin to talk about ejection is forward witch indicates a over gas and that could be a reliability problem their tune in that buffer system and im going to say it spits that drum no problem
Play with buffer spring tensions and weights. If your having issue's it's normally from one of the two. I have issue's of outrunning the gun which causes hiccups in your ROF.
My fostec came with a full auto bcg and a sear to prevent the hammer following the bolt home which I imagine is his problem. Also looked like it may have been something other than binary trigger bc the gun was firing with trigger stationary in fire position. 😳
Thanks for the video. Rule number 1... don't test gun function using a drum mag. Test gun function with a known good standard mag. Drum mags are more prone to have problems. In my humble opinion.
binary trigger is not the same as full auto, as much as you want it to be.... on full auto the sear is engaged automatically, on binary trigger its essentially semi auto still but just firing on the pull and the release. so when you're slapping the trigger and the gun is trying to fire faster than it can actually cycle you're bound to have malfunctions. in full auto this isnt an issue because the gun cycles at its natural rate of fire and trigger pull has nothing to do with it. with a binary trigger the trigger pull DOES have something to do with how the gun is cycling. not to mention you're using drums.... not exactly the most trustworthy of magazines
I don’t need a drum 30 rounds is all I need and if I want more use a maglink or black tape to put 2 mags together. On top of that have to think about the weight as well. Could be fun in the range but as you saw in this video his gun jammed a few times.
100 drum are double stacked while they feed 60 drum pmag is single stacked while they feed and sometimes it can be ammo that can fail to go off just eject it
I have a Beta 100 round Drum, it has about 500 rounds thru it, and only three failures to feed, about the same as any average 30 Round magazine and I use ETS, Magpuls, aluminum and stainless GI magazines, Hexagon etc. The Beta's work well especially if the graphite has gone thru them enough.
There's no drum mag in the world as reliable as GI 30 rd mags or Pmags even. I prefer Gen 2 Pmags or Okay 30 rd aluminum mags, but use what you're most comfortable with. If drums are reliable in your setup (which it sounds like they are) then use them. I've just had badluck I guess; can't ever make it through a 60 or 100 rd drum. But as a wise man once said: _To each, their own!_
between the drum and the franklin trigger, he ain’t hitting on much! he keeps looking at the bullets like there is something wrong with the ammo lol, he should have gone with the echo2!(revision, the echo AR2 worked for about 500 rounds flawlessly. Then literally over night quit working! trigger will not reset, it want even shoot in normal mode!
They work fine on Simi. I have the same set up that is a kci 100 round drum for 130 clams right now not duty ready. If you want a reliable drum for an a.r. you will be looking at the saw 150 round drum mag for 389 clams but your paying for quality and reliable of a duty ready drum to put your life on.
Don't know what your set up is, but it looks like the timing might be off.. My build is based on an Aero Precision 10.5" M4E1 pistol, carbine gas length upper and lower. A Cryptic Coatings, Misty Black, Mil-Spec M-16 BCG, JP custom centerless ground and polished buffer spring coupled to a Spike's Tactical (tungsten powder) ST-T1 recoil buffer and last but not least a Fostech ARII trigger. It has ran flawless since day one with no hiccups. I have of yet experience my first failure after approximately 1200 cycles so far. (Check my video out) I would first try to research the proper timing for your setup.. Second, put that drum away and try it with quality GI mags.. Once you have ironed the quirks out, then I would try on that drum mag. Good luck.
@@gunsnstripes4473 it could definitely be. There's a bunch of videos on tamming over gassed ARs and how to tune them for the proper lock dwell time. People like to use the term that ARs are like Legos. In reality they're not and most novice builders just get lucky they don't experience a catastrophic failure.. There's a lot variables to consider when an AR is built, which usually you don't worry about when buying a good commercially build.
I don't think that's a trigger issue, it looks like a feeding / extraction issue. Are you getting a double feed? Or is your extractor not grabbing the case?
Not sure your actual issue is, but that seems it is not feeding properly. My guess perhaps the weight of the mag pulling down to the feeding ramp idk. But all I know is I'd take 10, 10 rd mags all day over this setup.
The Fostech binary triggers are more reliable because they eliminate the possibility of hammer follow by engaging the full auto profile. on the bolt carrier. Of course that means they require a full auto profile bolt carrier, but most of them already are.
This is talk of someone whos too scared to drill the hole
wrong buffer weight, wrong spring rate, and grease your buffer tube. rapid fire creates friction which slows things down, also smooths your recoil.
I like using white lithium grease for the buffer spring, but it can get on the bolt if you're too generous. I don't see this as an issue, but if someone does, they're still better off lubing the buffer spring with the same oil as the bolt. Lithium grease nearly eliminates all the rattle
Yeah all that sounds good and probably draw a crowd of ducks only thing off about that AR is the dumb drum and the person firing it attempting to look the way you sound
@@Joseph-i1b6v *Carrier bounce has entered the chat*
Looks like a helluva lotta fun !
What would you recommend?
I think it’s funny because people think drums are badass. But in a fire fight a drum might just cost you your life…
True. Reloads with 30 or less is faster than clearing jams off a range toy quality drum but I think the shooter knows that. I hope.
@@OmegaBahn I would hope so. I just see a lot of posts on firearms sites about having a drum mag ready to go at all time. I am just thinking thinking to myself, you better hope it doesn’t jam at a critical moment if that’s your SHTF mag..
And you can't stuff an extra in your back pocket.
What also might cost your life is that sight mark sight for $40
False. Drums are meant to be used either on Semi Auto or Full Auto. Never on Bursts like these. I own a KCI Drum and a SightMark Wolverine, both products impressed me, couse none of them will ever let me down in a real life situation besides all the bs people say about them (not talking about you specifically, it's just because Drums will not work properly with binnary triggers or rapid fire)
I think this setup would run flawless with normal 30 magazines. I was starting to think it had something to do with the drum mag causing the gun not to function correctly or causing it to feed to fast. Remember, it's not the looks that will save your ass it's how prepared you are to go the extra mile and how you and your firearm operate. I would trash that drum mag and get yourself some decent 30rd mags.
Totally agree
Agree 1000%, drum mags are horrible when compared to good, 30 rd mags. But I inderstand he wanted to unload a shit ton of ammo without reloading so fast when at the range.
at least a quadstack 60 round stick magazines. firearms tend to function better in that format
2 40 rounders and a magpul mag link
Magpul D60 is the only drum i would consider
I had similar problems with my 7.5 inch pistol in .300 blackout, FA Binary trigger Gen III and a 100 round RWB drum. The problem was hammer follow due to the tendency of pistol length AR's to be overgassed and the velocity of the bolt carrier over running the ability of the trigger to reset, or to cause light primer strikes. By experimenting with a combination of heavier recoil springs and h, H1, or even H2 and h3 recoil buffers, I found the right combination and it works flawlessly all of the time. Use the heavier hammer spring if you are using heavier grade military primers.
His was clearly full auto tho so it’s different trigger component probably bootleg that don’t fit his rifle so somethings blocking it when it goes to feed or it’s just because you guys think it’s more practical to have a 100 round drum that weighs 10lbs instead of a 100 round clip🧐🧐🤡
" The problem was hammer follow "
My understanding is the fostech binary triggers eliminate this problem but require a full auto profile BCG.
@@landonharrison8353it’s not a fully goofy lil boy
Velocity of the bcg has nothing to do with it. Light hammer strikes is what’s causing the problem. FA includes a heavier hammer spring just in case this happens
@@landonharrison8353no, it's not
I’ll stick to 40 round magpuls Coupled together. Never has failed me once!
I hear that, do the same thing!
You can get two sets of 40’s and couplers for like half the cost of a drum too
I havent ever had an issue with my ARs and I use the same magpul mags. From a $500 M&P 15 to an over $2k Dissent 6.5" AR15. Never a hiccup on any of my rifles with the magpuls.
I got 3 of them taped together with plastic pistol ammo trays as spacers
all drums not good 40 to 60 rounders best way to go no jams💯💯
You can never go wrong with a 60 round quad stack.
You’re right it only jammed about a dozen times
@@Casual_Lifestylethe gun probably jams anyways. I've had several short barrel ARs that just ran like shit
Definitely picked up a few of those
@@realtyrocks1969 my 7.5 runs fine, very reliable.,
Great video on weapon clearing practice.
I’m glad you wasn’t in a life or death situation as long as it took for you to clear that malfunction.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Think about it what other country can have guns like this I'll wait we rock 🪨
And no where else
NO! GOD BLESS 'MERICA
@@dougisraw11 Yemen
They are banned in Maryland now
Try stock 30 round mags and let it break in
Yes I went back a couple weeks later and ran pretty flawlessly with 30 round mags I just wasn’t able to record much, even the drum runs pretty good just not on binary.
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@@PurplDanq great video!
@@gunsnstripes4473 slow down the sickle rate with heavier weights in the buffer tube then it’s will run perfect same happen to me
@@gunsnstripes4473 other then that good video bro 😎
A lot of guns with binary triggers that you put drums on run much better with hotter amo. If its gonna be a drum gun you can experiment with different kinds of springs and buffers and different amounts of gas and stuff and see what works the best. And yes the old drums where known for not being reliable just on their own. But they have a ton of new ones that tend to work really well now.
Thank you for showing what happens.. I appreciate this video..
Dang who knew there’s 261 tier one operators watching this
I think this happens a lot, especially with home builds. Guys don't study on how one part affects the other. Like buffers, gas tubes, etc
Doesn't look like that binary and drum get along very well. Might want to keep that weapon in the fun pile and not in the "save your ass" spot.
Definitely not lol this is just a range toy.
I guarantee it’s the trigger which is not mill spec and not the beta c drum .
@@daveh7186 yes the trigger has a lot to do with it Bc it runs fine on semi
@@gunsnstripes4473 Those triggers have to be shimmed properly and according to the manufacturer .0020 inch can make the difference between it functioning and not functioning
I agree
The dude in the lane next to me while I'm trying to zero my new scope:
A weapon that only The Boss can handle
That A2 flash hider indoors is ruff
I like those drums but they are hit and miss.... I had one that ran and worked flawlessly but had 2 that just ran like shit or broke after one or two uses. The dummy rounds that act as the follower broke on both of them. I use a 90rd snail now and have never had any feed issues and only 1 light primer strike (out ran the binary)
Same here I'll never waste money on a drum again for ak or ar both failed me
Hey thanks for getting me a new dream gun
I guess no one goin to talk about ejection is forward witch indicates a over gas and that could be a reliability problem their tune in that buffer system and im going to say it spits that drum no problem
Play with buffer spring tensions and weights. If your having issue's it's normally from one of the two. I have issue's of outrunning the gun which causes hiccups in your ROF.
It's not the drum, it's the BCG that can't keep up with rapid-fire, get you a full-auto rated one from PSA
My fostec came with a full auto bcg and a sear to prevent the hammer following the bolt home which I imagine is his problem. Also looked like it may have been something other than binary trigger bc the gun was firing with trigger stationary in fire position. 😳
Thanks for the video. Rule number 1... don't test gun function using a drum mag. Test gun function with a known good standard mag. Drum mags are more prone to have problems. In my humble opinion.
Pretty sure he is running a binary. Going to get some work this winter in mine. Would love to see a video with some tips on using binarys
“Binary trigger” proceeds too shoot 3 bullets at a time 🤣🤣
Put h1 buffer or h2 or h3 test what works better
Definitely need a different spring and possibly different buffer weight. Don’t be afraid to run some lube.
binary trigger is not the same as full auto, as much as you want it to be.... on full auto the sear is engaged automatically, on binary trigger its essentially semi auto still but just firing on the pull and the release. so when you're slapping the trigger and the gun is trying to fire faster than it can actually cycle you're bound to have malfunctions. in full auto this isnt an issue because the gun cycles at its natural rate of fire and trigger pull has nothing to do with it. with a binary trigger the trigger pull DOES have something to do with how the gun is cycling. not to mention you're using drums.... not exactly the most trustworthy of magazines
if u had to pick a drum to go with the binary trigger on the Ar-15 .300 which one would you go with ??
I don’t need a drum 30 rounds is all I need and if I want more use a maglink or black tape to put 2 mags together. On top of that have to think about the weight as well. Could be fun in the range but as you saw in this video his gun jammed a few times.
Enjoy it while you can.
I don't have a drum but I wonder if an adjustable buffer would help to tune one in so it doesn't double feed.
100 drum are double stacked while they feed 60 drum pmag is single stacked while they feed and sometimes it can be ammo that can fail to go off just eject it
I have a Beta 100 round Drum, it has about 500 rounds thru it, and only three failures to feed, about the same as any average 30 Round magazine and I use ETS, Magpuls, aluminum and stainless GI magazines, Hexagon etc. The Beta's work well especially if the graphite has gone thru them enough.
Definitely a gun problem.
That’s a lot of failures for 500 rounds…
There's no drum mag in the world as reliable as GI 30 rd mags or Pmags even. I prefer Gen 2 Pmags or Okay 30 rd aluminum mags, but use what you're most comfortable with. If drums are reliable in your setup (which it sounds like they are) then use them. I've just had badluck I guess; can't ever make it through a 60 or 100 rd drum. But as a wise man once said: _To each, their own!_
I havent had a failure to feed in my ARs. I have a Dissent 6.5" SBR and a couple standard 16 inch ones. I only use standard Magpul magazines.
Three failures to feed in only 500 rounds is NOT normal with a pmag💀 either this is a lie or you should probably check your gas system
Over gassing that upper buddy. I'm guessing you put that together with spare parts to stay cheap.
clearing a jam with the safety off, oh boy!
the drum mag experience
between the drum and the franklin trigger, he ain’t hitting on much! he keeps looking at the bullets like there is something wrong with the ammo lol, he should have gone with the echo2!(revision, the echo AR2 worked for about 500 rounds flawlessly. Then literally over night quit working! trigger will not reset, it want even shoot in normal mode!
Your supposed to collapse your sbr brace when mortaring a stuck shell but your situation wasn’t bad at all so never mind.
Lean into it , you will have more control over your rifle.
Thanks for the info, I'll stand down on the purchase of a drum. Could be the ammo maybe?
They work fine on Simi. I have the same set up that is a kci 100 round drum for 130 clams right now not duty ready. If you want a reliable drum for an a.r. you will be looking at the saw 150 round drum mag for 389 clams but your paying for quality and reliable of a duty ready drum to put your life on.
Yes on semi is pretty good, but agree it’s not duty ready.
Spends $300 on a binary trigger and $50 on an Amazon optic.
That’s how I feel when guys buy expensive rings for ugly ass girls 😂😂😂
🤪🤪😂😂😂😂
Depends how well it holds zero
@@theanimatedjunkyard5921 guarantee it doesn't
Mines did the same thing.I used a 30rd mag.
ATF enters the chat 😂
Did you try a A2 heavy buffer?
i got the 60 rd mag pul, took it back the next day when it wouldnt hold the bolt open..ill stick to 30rd p mags
The ole “100 round jam”
Don't know what your set up is, but it looks like the timing might be off..
My build is based on an Aero Precision 10.5" M4E1 pistol, carbine gas length upper and lower. A Cryptic Coatings, Misty Black, Mil-Spec M-16 BCG, JP custom centerless ground and polished buffer spring coupled to a Spike's Tactical (tungsten powder) ST-T1 recoil buffer and last but not least a Fostech ARII trigger.
It has ran flawless since day one with no hiccups. I have of yet experience my first failure after approximately 1200 cycles so far. (Check my video out)
I would first try to research the proper timing for your setup..
Second, put that drum away and try it with quality GI mags..
Once you have ironed the quirks out, then I would try on that drum mag.
Good luck.
Thanks! I will definitely look in to that, I’ve ran it with normal 30rd mags and seem to work fine, could just be the cheap drum.
@@gunsnstripes4473 it could definitely be. There's a bunch of videos on tamming over gassed ARs and how to tune them for the proper lock dwell time.
People like to use the term that ARs are like Legos. In reality they're not and most novice builders just get lucky they don't experience a catastrophic failure..
There's a lot variables to consider when an AR is built, which usually you don't worry about when buying a good commercially build.
Failure to eject, short gas tube so not a whole lot of blow back to get the casings out fast enough for the next one to feed.
And today only friends get your Ronco jam-ah-matic ar drum today !..lol...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mine did the same thing....The tower isn't tall enough to feed the gun properly...
Hellow buddy nice vid .. now is that drum gen 2 metal feed lips
This is both dumb and cool at the same time. Lol. Gotta love guns.
Needs to change the bcg, buffer spring and tube since he changed the trigger.. if he hasn't already
um, so no to binary triggers. this helped me more than i thought it would when i clicked on it.
Yea i had doubts that it was gonna run the whole 100 smoothly lol
And he posted the video to show what a great kit he has.... Lol 😆 🤣
What
The
Fuck
Did
I
Just
Watch
😂😂😂
Quite the ghetto blaster Bruh!
I realize it's range day, But...
Please put it on SAFE when clearing a malfunction.
Semper Fi
Came to see a mag dump, except most the rounds got dumped on the table from jams.
Man that catastrophic failures cost lives😮
Question bro are binary ar 15s allowed at gun ranges my friend wants to know?? He has green one lol
I don't think that's a trigger issue, it looks like a feeding / extraction issue. Are you getting a double feed? Or is your extractor not grabbing the case?
I did get a couple double feeds I believe
That's a good way to get kicked out of a range make sure they're okay with rapid fire first
What about the gas block and tube.? Could they be an issue with this weapon.
If anybody is wondering what a good dramas go to X production by one best drums on the market will never fail you I promise
Can you specify your setup and drum brand?
I wonder what the matter was. Had someone used lacquered ammunition in the weapon before?
No it was brand new, I’m thinking is just the binary because it works fine on semi
That mug was barking!
What a beautiful monstrosity.
nice pistol
I seen that jam coming a mile away
Did you use heavy buffer spring or stock
Drum mag do quite work like COD
😅😅😅😅..right!!
That’s why I’ll never run a 50-100 rd drum on it 😅 jam city. Although I do have a 100.. ion even want it
Not sure your actual issue is, but that seems it is not feeding properly. My guess perhaps the weight of the mag pulling down to the feeding ramp idk.
But all I know is I'd take 10, 10 rd mags all day over this setup.
Mine did this on regular clip it was just dirty maybe u didnt have it oiled enough
How autos are you gotta dump the whole thing or nothing at all notice how it jams everytime you let off the trigger
It's not easy to get the binary trigger cadence down. Also drums are always dumb
Well that didn't go as planned
Pawn that drum mag.
Is that a KCI drum its not supposed to be jamming up like that!?
They call them a drum mag but I think they should be called a ballsack mag. They resemble that better
Monkey nuts
It’s called “trigger control” don’t slap the trigger.
Yea he was pulling the piss outta that thing.
My range would not allow this!
What kind of ammo and drums you using? I dont want no part of that!!!!!?
Is that eotech mounted backwards
Did bro mount the sight backwards?
What do you expect from rwb... it's a hit or miss with their products some work flawlessly some dont
Would a Beta C-Mag have been the better choice?
Beta mags NEVER fail!
What is this an fx9? And, if so what binary trigger did you install? And, where did you get that drum?
GUN NEEDS LUBE,YOU CAN HEAR THE DRYNESS!
Most definitely sold my drum best decision
Thats sexy. What size barrel did you go with and did you upgrade spring n buffer?
Thanks! 7.5” and yes upgraded spring.
@@gunsnstripes4473 which spring did you run with?
@@mrshowtime7465 the one that came with the trigger
Looks like it wasn’t in battery when that round went off and got stuck from it expanding out of battery
They need to make Heat 2 and put this fuckin gun in there lol
Throw that double drum in the recycling bin problem solved 😂
Thats why i hate drums....however im loving the binary trigger. I might put one in my 7.5
Yes they are a lot of fun, 30rd mags run great.
Better hurry before the ATF bans them