This is a great video, thank you. I have an ITF binary which of course had been shut down due to infringement. This thing is sticking/jamming like crazy. Seeing this really helps me think it through
8:09 NOW I understand why the auto sear is designed to be disabled on semi-auto on regular full-auto lowers! I was always wondering why they would disable what is effectively an OoB safety on semi-auto when ur much more likely to CAUSE an OoB on semi-auto where on full-auto the gun handles the timing for the shooter and basically makes OoBs impossible.
Good to see you dude! Another reason for this is for re-assembly when clam-shelling the receiver halves shut, you don’t want the trip tab getting bent underneath the mating face on the bcg. The safety move it out of the way so you can shut the receivers together
@@StealthTheUnknown Yeah, the re-assembly thing I got out of ur explanation, I figured that if that helps on this that would also be the reason why the auto sear is cammed out of the way when the selector is on semi or safe on a regular full-auto lower. But before I heard that explanation it just never occurred to me that that IS the reason. The best reasoning I could think of was to reduce friction by not making the bolt trip the auto sear every time, and the next best one I could think of was reducing wear on the auto sear, but both of that is negligible considering the amount of inertia that the bolt carrier has when it slams forward and the relatively small force it takes to trip the auto sear even with the hammer resting against it. Also, have u seen my 3 round burst capable lego gun in the meantime? I'd sent u the link to it in a comment on ur 3 round burst video a while ago.
To connect an upper and lower with the ECHO trigger you can put it in echo mode, push the trigger block safety bar forward, then press and hold the trigger. If you do that it will hold the trigger block lever forward so that you can close the receiver set. Lol the owners manual that comes with the trigger tells you that.
Not sure I'd anyone told you yet but you don't have to hold it down you can squeeze the trigger and keep it in place when installing it makes it really simple bit great video
Hey, may I make a request? I’d like to see your own take on the Forced Reset trigger, and find a way to make it select. From singles to forced reset to binary. You could probably make a sort of a burst function utilizing the concept of forced reset instead of the binary if ya like.
You’ve touched on something I’m already working on. Try to keep it a secret 🤫 I can’t make it burst, that simply wouldn’t be viable with a frt. I also don’t see the benefit of having both binary and frt, but I can certainly make the frt selectable with single.
What about a crank that counts the trigger pull on an FRT similar to how a crank counts the hammer rotations on a burst, and on the last shot the crank locks the 4th pull until release
@@CowboybubPercussion if it locks the pull . . . How is it going to release? Additionally, the way burst works requires the trigger to be held for the duration of the burst. There’s nothing here the operator could manipulate to simulate “holding,” since the trigger automatically forces a reset. Does that kind of clarify the issue?
@@StealthTheUnknown I think a type of FRT burst would have some practicality in sport shooting in the same way binary does for when shots are on the clock
@@CowboybubPercussion I’m saying burst is almost certainly impossible with an frt because there’s no way to say when to stop; to the gun, the trigger is constantly being pulled and released for every shot. On burst, it’s the fact that you’re holding the trigger down that allows the disconnector to do its job; with an frt, it forces the trigger back forward every round. The only way I can think to do it is to make it so a cam inly allows the trigger to force reset twice, after which the component which transmits pressure from the hammer to the trigger is shifted away in order to allow the trigger to remain held, and therefore the disconnector to do its thing. That sounds finicky and complicated to me, though. Nonetheless, I may opt to try it anyway.
Holly crap so a binary trigger is the one that allow you to fire when press and fires again when the trigger is released, dam a simple but deadly concept.
How is possible that in the binary mode when you pull the trigger, when the hammer is pushed by the carrier it is catched by the disconnector but when you release the trigger the the trigger sear doesn't catch? If you pull the trigger only the amount you need to release the hammer from the sear and not any more will the disconnector catch the hammer in the cycle?
The binary disconnector is shorter than the semi-auto disconnector, and releases the hammer before the trigger can be released sufficiently to catch it. It’s fine tuned differences that change timing and so on. Yeah, it’s true that you could feather it so that you get it between the trigger and the disconnector, but there’s enough forces, sudden movements, and mechanical encouragement going on to make this condition highly unlikely. If you DID pull the trigger only this far and no further, you’d get hammer follow like you would if there were no disconnector at all. That said, look at any slow motion footage of a trigger breaking, and all the firing and mechanical forces that follow, and tell me you could reasonably create this condition
@@StealthTheUnknown I guess it virtually is impossible to happen, unless maybe you would add a screw limiting the trigger overtravel. I was wondering if there was some additional part that alters the relations of the trigger and disconnector catching and releasing the hammer but then you are right that it is not necessary, unless maybe you are a robot with a slow servos🙂
It looks like you simply combined the parts from a mil-spec trigger, a Franklin, and tweeked a mil-spec full auto Sear to make a Binary trigger design. What safety selector works with it to make it work in all 3 positions? You did a good job. People make thier own DIY Binary triggers all the time.
@@StealthTheUnknown what safety shaft makes it work? Custom cut one, FA or Semi-auto safety selector? It would need an indent cut for each position of safe, semi and Binary modes.
@@2artactical55 it’s a custom cut one, with a partially milled shelf that allows the trigger catch to rotate, or be blocked when turned to the safe position (inspired by the lack of such a feature making it “fun” to connect the receiver components together.)
@@StealthTheUnknown I've worked with both Franklin and Fostech in the ARs we custom built for our customers and they are both good companies. I prefer the Fostech because of it's design that eliminates hammer follow. Unfortunately I have an AKS74U that doesn't like thier AK Binary trigger at all. Currently I'm making my own "Boogie Hook" from an AK Rate Reducer. Having a short "Krink" AK isn't the same if it can't fire faster. AK triggers are finicky to modify into a Binary trigger though. Unlike an AR15, a one size fits all drop in trigger don't fit in every AK made (like my Arsenal SLR104UR turned into a AKS74U).
it varies. some are the product of weeks of revising and editing and tweaking. others were popped out within hours. all depends on the amount of work and detail i want to put in, and how well things go from the start.
@@StealthTheUnknown do you use scripts in your guns? for example, when the bullet leaves the barrel and is hit by lazer, the force of a thruster on the slide is modified so that the slide goes backwards. I asking this because some guns that i made need high density to function better and the bullet cant push the slide backwards
@@umser9anosatras562 yeah, I do exactly this thing sometimes. I try to avoid it and balance things the best I can. You need heavy density only for components that are under a lot of mechanical stress. Try to make everything as light as possible. I do something similar for “script-assisted recoil” to what you described. But instead of using a laser to activate the scripts, I use the part of the bullet that gets deleted at the end of the barrel and use their “onDie” script box. The thruster used to cycle the bolt or slide has it’s force written in the script menu as some scene.my variable, such as scene.my.recoil or scene.my.gas. I make a script in the poststep of the laser that always keeps reducing the thrust of the thruster to zero. That is, the script is always trying to bring the value of scene.my.gas down to zero, with an if/then statement checking if the value is below zero to then set the value by force TO zero. This makes it drop from whatever value it was when the gun fires and the bullet leaves the barrel, to zero, where it stays until another round is fired
@@StealthTheUnknown cool,I have tried several times to use this type of script but it failed :/ you should make a video about this, scrips are complicated and doesnt have tutorials on internet about thurster force modification
Greetings! Would it be possible to include a small portion in the short I am working on? I will provide link to this video. Thank you for consideration!
So if you file down shortening the disconnector hook you can make something like a binary trigger but without the option to resing of the shot when you release the trigger?
yeah, basically. or bubba full-auto. I wouldn't recommend trying it. if anything, I'd do it with a burst trigger pack (minus the auto sear, obviously), and filing down the burst disconnector instead. Again, I wouldn't recommend this either, since I'm not entirely sure how available or cheap replacement burst sears are, but it's a way to give yourself the option of selecting between semi and binary
The selectors these triggers come with operate a little different than mil spec selectors, just use the ones they come with unless other offerings are put out. It’s likely the mil spec selector will either malfunction or simply not fit in properly with the binary components
I wanna start by saying that it's really cool what you did. Smart, and improved above what I've seen existing out there. I just wanted to comment on franklin's armory new trigger that has a single sear and I had to watch a ton of vids to understand it. So, to anyone coming here looking for the same thing: what they did is simply allow the hammer sear (the one that retains the hammer while you're pressing the trigger) to be a little higher on binary, thus engaging sooner and completely missing the trigger sear. The hammer sear now becomes your trigger sear allowing you to fire a second time. Very cool and simple, although it kinda has to work very precisely to be reliable.
@@StealthTheUnknown I'm not from the US but I'd love to fit my AR (in .22) with it. The problem is that it's crazy expensive and they don't export, so I wanna try and make my own.
good question! I wish I did have materials to float your way, but unfortunately there's no concrete anything I use regularly. It's all through using apps like World Of Guns, doing online research, and occasionally just looking at the parts of a gun in pictures online, replicating those parts to-scale in this program, and trying to see how they would move and interact.
Tell me more about the jam. Are you having a dead trigger - that is, live round in the chamber and the hammer forward? Or are you getting issues like failing to feed or eject?? These are very important distinctions. If your jam is that you get a dead trigger, you’re running the gun too fast and you caused the hammer to ride the bolt forward - not enough energy to adequately dent the primer for firing. There’s nothing mechanically that can be done about this, your best options to accommodate this drawback of these triggers is to train yourself to match the cycle rate of the rifle, or you can get yourself some light primer ammo - the stuff the ATF uses when they’re making an example of someone and forcing their creation to be a machine gun for the sake of prosecution and money-making😏
The program is called algodoo. I made all these models myself, so I’m living proof of the program’s capacity to enable you to build and design things. Definitely Takes practice, but it’s a lot of fun
How difficult do you think it would be to design a binary trigger for the Cz75B? I ask cause now there's one coming out for Glocks and it really has me interested in doing a civilian legal Cz75 auto replica
Probably not too difficult. Would basically require most of the fcg components in the frame to be replaced. You’d certainly need a new sear, and a new trigger bar. As for selectors, putting one on a cz would be hard, much easier on a glock with the slide plate. Binary triggers for a glock wouldn’t be too terribly difficult, but the trouble come in with how a glock basically works, it’s cocked by pulling the trigger, and stays cocked after it cycles. The striker is “cocked” on the trigger bar itself, which fires by being tripped by the connector. The connector gets pushed to the side by the slide when it cycles, which lets the trigger bar jump back up to catch the striker. Changing that mechanical arrangement for binary, let alone for select-fire binary, would be difficult, but certainly possible. For the CZ, you’d probably be better off having a binary-only, or I’d take it so far as to make it a forced reset trigger.
@@StealthTheUnknown a forced Reset trigger would be even cooler tbh, honestly whichever would be easiest to make and to prove is legal is the route I'm tryna go, it be select doesn't make much a difference to me. You seem really knowledgeable on the subject I'd love to pick your brain sometime
My first message may have been marked as spam since I tried to link the images lol... but I made some high-quality templates for the frt15 if you want to check them out!
seems to me that you have a better binary system figured out. I agree with others, you should put it into production. Then send me one, and I will be your test dummy.
What is the point of this video? You have explained nothing You did not explain what a binary trigger is You’re talking about two disconnectors, but you only show one disconnector
ive got a set of questions so i have an ak-47 i made a binary trigger for it using 2 disconnectors i have a video up about it but im now wanting to make a binary trigger for my ar-15 if i shave down my disconnector enough just a bit will release the hammer a bit earlier so when you release the trigger it fires a second shot
Questions?? Sir that looks like a run-on sentence to me🤔 Yes, the operating principles of an AK and AR are pretty similar and you can do the same thing to an AR to make it binary
wow that was a lot more simple than i thought it would be. Im wondering, I always had the idea that if someone grinded off the catch or something, that it would just make it full auto, I never had the thought that it might actually make it dead strike the bullet. how does a full auto work without deadstrikes?
The magic of automatic sears, which are like a trigger (or a sear, which catches the hammer) which gets pulled by the bolt when it closes, if that makes sense. I have several videos that explain full auto at least briefly, look at my 3-round burst video for m16 triggers and my forced reset trigger video.
The program is algodoo, and is now free to download and use. As for making your own binary trigger, I would say it can be pretty easy if you get ahold of a 3 round burst trigger kit and file down the burst disconnector so it releases the hammer before it can reset onto the trigger
On forced reset triggers, I have an idea for something even better 😏 I have ideas my duuude, I just wanna shut up for now before I give it away to people
@@StealthTheUnknown i love that you do this because i love being able to see the functionality and inner workings of these things. Im one of those ppl who sees everyday things that ppl just use without giving them a second thought, and i wanna know how exactly they work.
@@sonnyragland7135 I’ve been the same way my whole life. I’ve learned we are surrounded by miracles that people take for granted - internal combustion engines, electricity, telecommunications and wireless information exchange, rockets, supersonically-combusting ramjet aircraft to name a few
Nice video could have explained the way the fire on depression and release of the trigger makes the gun fire a different way to gain a bit more perspective, I,e using different. Words to say the same thing. But either way I know how they work no! Thanks
Hey, For some reason my comments keep getting deleted. Is there some way I could contact you besides the comment section? I have an idea that I think you would like.
Tell me about your idea! Sorry for the wait dude, I try to keep up with comments and somehow I didn't get notified for this one, going through my comments in the studio is how I got here. reach out brother!
@@jasoncourtney314 is that the gen 3 with a single disconnector? yeah that's kind weird. there's extra mechanical stuff going on in binary. I'd honestly need to see a physical sample and play with it to see what's going on
@@StealthTheUnknown thanks for trying, I'm going to keep dry firing and using it for a while. Then pull it back out and see if I can see where the two parts are worn more than others. Then try to slowly file it down and try firing and repeat process until it's right. My bianary in ar 10 works perfectly. Thanks again.
The legality of the trigger staying depressed without the user applying pressure is iffy because if you were to look at it in slow motion the firearm would discharge itself without the direct action from the shooter and some might say that this trigger is firing more than 1 round per direct action therefore making it illegal because it can be viewed as proper 2 round burst
The function of a binary trigger is to fire when both pressed and released. Even if the release fire is slightly delayed, it's not changing the function, it's just preventing out of battery firing and making it more reliable.
Yeah, they have a version for mac. It’s less of a game, more of a sandbox. www.algodoo.com/download/ And for scenes I’ve personally made and uploaded, www.algodoo.com/algobox/profile.php?id=1861
Are you suggesting that simply grinding the catch down a touch would give you binary? Just making sure I'm following. It's genius btw. I've been trying so hard to figure out a way to make a "homemade" binary
That’ll work, just don’t overdo it and give yourself a “bubba full auto” where it just slips off the disconnector on its own. I’d recommend going online and looking for a burst trigger kit (minus the auto sear - the rest of the kit is perfectly legal without a tax stamp) and do the filing to your burst disconnector. Now you can turn your binary mode on or off. 👌
@@StealthTheUnknown I mean even the auto sears aren't regulated(unless it's a drop in sear), but I wouldn't really want to get caught with one in combination with an AR. The reason is the auto sear can't be used without modification to the receiver. Many parts kits do come with auto sears though it's advised to get rid of them.
If you did it on the semi disconnector used for individual shots, and not two for hit and release, then it would end up just using the binary disconnector and firing on hit and release.
"It functions exactly the same way as the other disconnector. Its dimensions are just different, and that results in a different function." Haha, what? I love it when someone who's intent on education contradicts themselves from one sentence to another lol. Also, these "binary" triggers are illegal. Don't buy them; don't attempt to manipulate your current one to mimic it either. The reason being, when the trigger is held in that "sweet spot," whereas neither the seer nor the catch will hold the hammer in place. It will cause the firearm to be fully automatic... So, unless you're intent on having ATF agents over for dinner, I would avoid these "binary" triggers at all costs. It's funny he mentioned Franklin's binary triggers. Those are legal and won't malfunction. Buy one of those if you want a binary.
No. They aren’t illegal. There is no “sweet spot” law. And you’re not a lawyer. And I didn’t contradict myself; you just didn’t hear/understand what I said correctly. But keep on with the keyboard expertise
“I’m gonna insult your intelligence and fake laugh about it awkwardly. Also, I’ll give you some unsolicited advice that wasn’t needed.” Really works well, winning formula bud.
Definitely not illegal, and he didn’t contradict himself. The two disconnectors initially have the same function (catch the hammer) but because of the variation in geometry between the two (the hook, but also the addition of a tail on one of them), one of them behaves differently and has an additional function (release the hammer).
@@StealthTheUnknown run a cheap bcg.heavier so it's not so fast.i have a modded stock trigger and have never had an issue.The only issue is it's only binary.then again double tapping everything can be a good thing
So do you have any of sed TRIGGERS??? Or have you run sum of sed TRIGGERS????? AR and AK TRIGGERS! Ooo to press part of the trigger!! Go run an AK TRIGGER!
I don't get it..I just don't get it... it's like people say semi auto weapons are automatic... this is not bianary...(bi-ah-nary) it is binary(bi-nary).. it's like saying in stupid and don't know what I'm talking about
How so? While it may appear to be the case that some automatic function allows the hammer to be released, it's not true; the function of hammer release is contingent on one single function of the trigger being fully committed to. that is, you have to DELIBERATELY try to press or release the trigger for a mere single shot; the only thing automatic is the timing of when that function occurs, regulated by the trigger catch (not an auto sear, not even a sear - it never interfaces with the hammer.) according to the legal definition of a machine gun, it is any firearm which can fire more than one single round of ammunition per function of the trigger - ie, hit or release - or, a component which, when installed in a firearm, converts it to function in such a manner. now, the rate of fire you can accomplish by wiggling your finger really fast is IDENTICAL to full auto, but you deliberately and manually fire every shot. It's in the deliberation of those individual functions that makes the thing legal, and still a semi-automatic. No non-destructive alteration of the components depicted, or the removal thereof, or the addition of any components (save a legitimate, already regulated automatic sear, or a lightning link, or device of a similar function), will result in the device being converted into a machine gun, nor will any physical manipulation of these components by the operator accomplish such an effect.
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I like your concept for this binary trigger, I think you should find a way to put it in production if you could.
Get a file and a regular disconector
@@socwyvern9745 that's a great way to cause an out of battery detonation but not binary firing.
@@jacobkudrowich The bolt cam track and firing pin flange prevent "out of batter detonation" unless your components are too out-of-spec
@@jacobkudrowich good luck.. your not outrunning the bolt with your finger
Just mod ur stock trigger.its only binary forever
This is a great video, thank you. I have an ITF binary which of course had been shut down due to infringement. This thing is sticking/jamming like crazy. Seeing this really helps me think it through
8:09 NOW I understand why the auto sear is designed to be disabled on semi-auto on regular full-auto lowers!
I was always wondering why they would disable what is effectively an OoB safety on semi-auto when ur much more likely to CAUSE an OoB on semi-auto where on full-auto the gun handles the timing for the shooter and basically makes OoBs impossible.
Good to see you dude! Another reason for this is for re-assembly when clam-shelling the receiver halves shut, you don’t want the trip tab getting bent underneath the mating face on the bcg. The safety move it out of the way so you can shut the receivers together
@@StealthTheUnknown Yeah, the re-assembly thing I got out of ur explanation, I figured that if that helps on this that would also be the reason why the auto sear is cammed out of the way when the selector is on semi or safe on a regular full-auto lower.
But before I heard that explanation it just never occurred to me that that IS the reason. The best reasoning I could think of was to reduce friction by not making the bolt trip the auto sear every time, and the next best one I could think of was reducing wear on the auto sear, but both of that is negligible considering the amount of inertia that the bolt carrier has when it slams forward and the relatively small force it takes to trip the auto sear even with the hammer resting against it.
Also, have u seen my 3 round burst capable lego gun in the meantime? I'd sent u the link to it in a comment on ur 3 round burst video a while ago.
@@DualDesertEagle i think my comments auto-filter anything with a link, so I don’t think I’ve seen it. Let me check your channel
To connect an upper and lower with the ECHO trigger you can put it in echo mode, push the trigger block safety bar forward, then press and hold the trigger. If you do that it will hold the trigger block lever forward so that you can close the receiver set. Lol the owners manual that comes with the trigger tells you that.
Who reads that shit? Lol
Very great explanation of how the binary works!
is it? this is a made up design that no one in the world has.
I learned how it works by building my own. thousands of rounds and still runs great
@@TGMisKillingTheMiddleClass there are many designs. This is just one. I liked the simplicity of how it was animated.
Great design I love it.
Not sure I'd anyone told you yet but you don't have to hold it down you can squeeze the trigger and keep it in place when installing it makes it really simple bit great video
Hey, may I make a request? I’d like to see your own take on the Forced Reset trigger, and find a way to make it select. From singles to forced reset to binary. You could probably make a sort of a burst function utilizing the concept of forced reset instead of the binary if ya like.
You’ve touched on something I’m already working on. Try to keep it a secret 🤫 I can’t make it burst, that simply wouldn’t be viable with a frt. I also don’t see the benefit of having both binary and frt, but I can certainly make the frt selectable with single.
What about a crank that counts the trigger pull on an FRT similar to how a crank counts the hammer rotations on a burst, and on the last shot the crank locks the 4th pull until release
@@CowboybubPercussion if it locks the pull . . . How is it going to release? Additionally, the way burst works requires the trigger to be held for the duration of the burst. There’s nothing here the operator could manipulate to simulate “holding,” since the trigger automatically forces a reset. Does that kind of clarify the issue?
@@StealthTheUnknown I think a type of FRT burst would have some practicality in sport shooting in the same way binary does for when shots are on the clock
@@CowboybubPercussion I’m saying burst is almost certainly impossible with an frt because there’s no way to say when to stop; to the gun, the trigger is constantly being pulled and released for every shot. On burst, it’s the fact that you’re holding the trigger down that allows the disconnector to do its job; with an frt, it forces the trigger back forward every round. The only way I can think to do it is to make it so a cam inly allows the trigger to force reset twice, after which the component which transmits pressure from the hammer to the trigger is shifted away in order to allow the trigger to remain held, and therefore the disconnector to do its thing. That sounds finicky and complicated to me, though. Nonetheless, I may opt to try it anyway.
I've watched many of your Aft videos with crs! FinallyDiscovered the TH-camr for the cartoons.
Thanks for the sub buddy, pray for Matt and CRS, he deserves to be freer than the two of us!
Holly crap so a binary trigger is the one that allow you to fire when press and fires again when the trigger is released, dam a simple but deadly concept.
Wait till you see a forced reset trigger
How is possible that in the binary mode when you pull the trigger, when the hammer is pushed by the carrier it is catched by the disconnector but when you release the trigger the the trigger sear doesn't catch?
If you pull the trigger only the amount you need to release the hammer from the sear and not any more will the disconnector catch the hammer in the cycle?
The binary disconnector is shorter than the semi-auto disconnector, and releases the hammer before the trigger can be released sufficiently to catch it. It’s fine tuned differences that change timing and so on. Yeah, it’s true that you could feather it so that you get it between the trigger and the disconnector, but there’s enough forces, sudden movements, and mechanical encouragement going on to make this condition highly unlikely. If you DID pull the trigger only this far and no further, you’d get hammer follow like you would if there were no disconnector at all. That said, look at any slow motion footage of a trigger breaking, and all the firing and mechanical forces that follow, and tell me you could reasonably create this condition
@@StealthTheUnknown I guess it virtually is impossible to happen, unless maybe you would add a screw limiting the trigger overtravel.
I was wondering if there was some additional part that alters the relations of the trigger and disconnector catching and releasing the hammer but then you are right that it is not necessary, unless maybe you are a robot with a slow servos🙂
Sounds like the guy who does the voice of the junior atf agent in the firearms unknown cartoons lol thanks for the content man
It looks like you simply combined the parts from a mil-spec trigger, a Franklin, and tweeked a mil-spec full auto Sear to make a Binary trigger design. What safety selector works with it to make it work in all 3 positions? You did a good job. People make thier own DIY Binary triggers all the time.
Not QUITE a FA sear, since it interfaces with the trigger instead of the hammer, but yes! Spot on evaluation!
@@StealthTheUnknown what safety shaft makes it work? Custom cut one, FA or Semi-auto safety selector? It would need an indent cut for each position of safe, semi and Binary modes.
@@2artactical55 it’s a custom cut one, with a partially milled shelf that allows the trigger catch to rotate, or be blocked when turned to the safe position (inspired by the lack of such a feature making it “fun” to connect the receiver components together.)
@@2artactical55 I’m also working on a selectable forced-reset trigger, so people can have semi-auto on top of their new civilian-legal giggle switch.
@@StealthTheUnknown I've worked with both Franklin and Fostech in the ARs we custom built for our customers and they are both good companies. I prefer the Fostech because of it's design that eliminates hammer follow. Unfortunately I have an AKS74U that doesn't like thier AK Binary trigger at all. Currently I'm making my own "Boogie Hook" from an AK Rate Reducer. Having a short "Krink" AK isn't the same if it can't fire faster. AK triggers are finicky to modify into a Binary trigger though. Unlike an AR15, a one size fits all drop in trigger don't fit in every AK made (like my Arsenal SLR104UR turned into a AKS74U).
Bro,how long does it take you to make your guns?
it varies. some are the product of weeks of revising and editing and tweaking. others were popped out within hours. all depends on the amount of work and detail i want to put in, and how well things go from the start.
@@StealthTheUnknown do you use scripts in your guns? for example, when the bullet leaves the barrel and is hit by lazer, the force of a thruster on the slide is modified so that the slide goes backwards. I asking this because some guns that i made need high density to function better and the bullet cant push the slide backwards
@@umser9anosatras562 yeah, I do exactly this thing sometimes. I try to avoid it and balance things the best I can. You need heavy density only for components that are under a lot of mechanical stress. Try to make everything as light as possible.
I do something similar for “script-assisted recoil” to what you described. But instead of using a laser to activate the scripts, I use the part of the bullet that gets deleted at the end of the barrel and use their “onDie” script box. The thruster used to cycle the bolt or slide has it’s force written in the script menu as some scene.my variable, such as scene.my.recoil or scene.my.gas. I make a script in the poststep of the laser that always keeps reducing the thrust of the thruster to zero. That is, the script is always trying to bring the value of scene.my.gas down to zero, with an if/then statement checking if the value is below zero to then set the value by force TO zero. This makes it drop from whatever value it was when the gun fires and the bullet leaves the barrel, to zero, where it stays until another round is fired
@@StealthTheUnknown cool,I have tried several times to use this type of script but it failed :/ you should make a video about this, scrips are complicated and doesnt have tutorials on internet about thurster force modification
I would buy your trigger, badass video
Franklin Armory Gen III fixed the problem you identified at around 5:15.
Yes - very well done and explained. Nice CAD - nearly a start on production? I bet there would be some interested parties. Best of luck.
Not cad unfortunately, and nothing about production in the near future
Greetings! Would it be possible to include a small portion in the short I am working on? I will provide link to this video. Thank you for consideration!
Sure! Please just link and/or cite appropriately, no issues with people using this stuff
So if you file down shortening the disconnector hook you can make something like a binary trigger but without the option to resing of the shot when you release the trigger?
yeah, basically. or bubba full-auto. I wouldn't recommend trying it. if anything, I'd do it with a burst trigger pack (minus the auto sear, obviously), and filing down the burst disconnector instead. Again, I wouldn't recommend this either, since I'm not entirely sure how available or cheap replacement burst sears are, but it's a way to give yourself the option of selecting between semi and binary
Hey real quick in theory, could I use any ol' 3 position selector for a binary trigger or do I have to use the one that came with it?
The selectors these triggers come with operate a little different than mil spec selectors, just use the ones they come with unless other offerings are put out. It’s likely the mil spec selector will either malfunction or simply not fit in properly with the binary components
I wanna start by saying that it's really cool what you did. Smart, and improved above what I've seen existing out there.
I just wanted to comment on franklin's armory new trigger that has a single sear and I had to watch a ton of vids to understand it.
So, to anyone coming here looking for the same thing: what they did is simply allow the hammer sear (the one that retains the hammer while you're pressing the trigger) to be a little higher on binary, thus engaging sooner and completely missing the trigger sear. The hammer sear now becomes your trigger sear allowing you to fire a second time.
Very cool and simple, although it kinda has to work very precisely to be reliable.
@@_CazaBobos I definitely have to get my hands on one and tinker with it to learn how it works
@@StealthTheUnknown I'm not from the US but I'd love to fit my AR (in .22) with it. The problem is that it's crazy expensive and they don't export, so I wanna try and make my own.
hey ! any books and references on firearm mechanics ? i am trying to learn more about the mechanisms and kinematic analysis of them ?
good question! I wish I did have materials to float your way, but unfortunately there's no concrete anything I use regularly. It's all through using apps like World Of Guns, doing online research, and occasionally just looking at the parts of a gun in pictures online, replicating those parts to-scale in this program, and trying to see how they would move and interact.
Can you do a video on the new Arizona Regulator FRT?
@@bchandler417 god dude I’ve got a lot going on, I’ll do some research and we’ll see. No promises but I’ll have a look
how would one work for the 10/22?
I think the franklin armory 10/22 trigger works pretty much identical to their ar15 version
This is a 200 IQ move bro. Genius. Can't wait to see it tested
Wait till you see the 4D chess move I’m gonna play with forced reset triggers; it’s coming😏
@Stealth The Unknown, aight bro it's been a month and I'm dying to know. Any details you'd like to drop would be amazing 🍻
@StealthTheUnknown, you drop it yet bro?
I have a franklin armory trigger I just installed. How can I fix the jambing of a live round? It's like every four rounds always on the release.
Tell me more about the jam. Are you having a dead trigger - that is, live round in the chamber and the hammer forward? Or are you getting issues like failing to feed or eject?? These are very important distinctions.
If your jam is that you get a dead trigger, you’re running the gun too fast and you caused the hammer to ride the bolt forward - not enough energy to adequately dent the primer for firing. There’s nothing mechanically that can be done about this, your best options to accommodate this drawback of these triggers is to train yourself to match the cycle rate of the rifle, or you can get yourself some light primer ammo - the stuff the ATF uses when they’re making an example of someone and forcing their creation to be a machine gun for the sake of prosecution and money-making😏
@@StealthTheUnknown Hammer striks and it misses by a little, only on binary and release
@@scal760 you’re probably shooting it too fast, but this takes practice
Yes! Thats what I figured i was doing need a split second pause i thought it was because of not using the new buffer spring.
@@scal760 use the new buffer spring
What is the program you are using and can you make things in that program or only import premade weapons
The program is called algodoo. I made all these models myself, so I’m living proof of the program’s capacity to enable you to build and design things. Definitely Takes practice, but it’s a lot of fun
@@StealthTheUnknown incredible job! (Came here to know what program you uses)
@@Stribog1337 Program: Algodoo. Thank you for the kind words!
Oh, I realize I already gave the program name. Regardless, thanks again!
Great Video! Have you ever wondered if you could make a Binary Trigger from basic Mil-Spec Parts?
Of course I have, and it’d doable, just not very practical.
Thanks, over time I know the trigger will move easier than when installed so should one just switch it to different settings.
How difficult do you think it would be to design a binary trigger for the Cz75B? I ask cause now there's one coming out for Glocks and it really has me interested in doing a civilian legal Cz75 auto replica
Even if it didn't have a selector switch and was just safe then binary as a drop in trigger I'd be super interested in getting help making one
Probably not too difficult. Would basically require most of the fcg components in the frame to be replaced. You’d certainly need a new sear, and a new trigger bar. As for selectors, putting one on a cz would be hard, much easier on a glock with the slide plate. Binary triggers for a glock wouldn’t be too terribly difficult, but the trouble come in with how a glock basically works, it’s cocked by pulling the trigger, and stays cocked after it cycles. The striker is “cocked” on the trigger bar itself, which fires by being tripped by the connector. The connector gets pushed to the side by the slide when it cycles, which lets the trigger bar jump back up to catch the striker. Changing that mechanical arrangement for binary, let alone for select-fire binary, would be difficult, but certainly possible.
For the CZ, you’d probably be better off having a binary-only, or I’d take it so far as to make it a forced reset trigger.
@@StealthTheUnknown a forced Reset trigger would be even cooler tbh, honestly whichever would be easiest to make and to prove is legal is the route I'm tryna go, it be select doesn't make much a difference to me. You seem really knowledgeable on the subject I'd love to pick your brain sometime
I got one of these on my 22. It's fun....
My first message may have been marked as spam since I tried to link the images lol... but I made some high-quality templates for the frt15 if you want to check them out!
saw this now! Yeah, I'd be happy to take a look, thanks!
seems to me that you have a better binary system figured out. I agree with others, you should put it into production. Then send me one, and I will be your test dummy.
How does the selector interface with the disconnecters to choose between the binary and semi?
It blocks them from rotating. It’s basically a drum or thick pin with cutouts; the cutouts allow it to move
What is the point of this video?
You have explained nothing
You did not explain what a binary trigger is
You’re talking about two disconnectors,
but you only show one disconnector
There ARE two disconnectors, one sits on top of the other. So you can only really see one at a time. 2d physics after all: look again.
Does the hook on the hammer serve a purpose?
Mass to dent the primer better, and it’s where the auto sear interface on an m16 hammer would be
ive got a set of questions so i have an ak-47 i made a binary trigger for it using 2 disconnectors i have a video up about it but im now wanting to make a binary trigger for my ar-15 if i shave down my disconnector enough just a bit will release the hammer a bit earlier so when you release the trigger it fires a second shot
Questions?? Sir that looks like a run-on sentence to me🤔
Yes, the operating principles of an AK and AR are pretty similar and you can do the same thing to an AR to make it binary
wow that was a lot more simple than i thought it would be. Im wondering, I always had the idea that if someone grinded off the catch or something, that it would just make it full auto, I never had the thought that it might actually make it dead strike the bullet. how does a full auto work without deadstrikes?
The magic of automatic sears, which are like a trigger (or a sear, which catches the hammer) which gets pulled by the bolt when it closes, if that makes sense. I have several videos that explain full auto at least briefly, look at my 3-round burst video for m16 triggers and my forced reset trigger video.
Great explanation. Also on the FRT
Aren't they similar?
It seems I'm late to the party , but I am curious what app this is on computer. Thanks!
The program is Algodoo, www.algodoo.com/download
I would love to partner with you on prototyping this bad boy.
How would you like to establish contact? I use CAD now too.
Great job 👏🏽
nice video and i have questions 1 what software is this? 2 do you think it would be easy to diy a binary trigger? (idk if it's bad to ask that)
The program is algodoo, and is now free to download and use. As for making your own binary trigger, I would say it can be pretty easy if you get ahold of a 3 round burst trigger kit and file down the burst disconnector so it releases the hammer before it can reset onto the trigger
@@StealthTheUnknown ok thank you for responding!
So a binary only trigger would just have the disconector father forward, I thought it would be more complicated
Yup, very simple principle: same function but with different timing. Lets the hammer go before the trigger can fully reset.
That seems more like a forced reset trigger yeah? Can you do one of these on the rarebreed FRT-15 or the wide open trigger?
It’s definitely not a forced reset trigger, it just has a locking bar like one
On forced reset triggers, I have an idea for something even better 😏 I have ideas my duuude, I just wanna shut up for now before I give it away to people
@@StealthTheUnknown i love that you do this because i love being able to see the functionality and inner workings of these things. Im one of those ppl who sees everyday things that ppl just use without giving them a second thought, and i wanna know how exactly they work.
@@StealthTheUnknown i cant wait for that bro, ill be watching out for that for sure! Keep it up!
@@sonnyragland7135 I’ve been the same way my whole life. I’ve learned we are surrounded by miracles that people take for granted - internal combustion engines, electricity, telecommunications and wireless information exchange, rockets, supersonically-combusting ramjet aircraft to name a few
Nice video could have explained the way the fire on depression and release of the trigger makes the gun fire a different way to gain a bit more perspective, I,e using different. Words to say the same thing. But either way I know how they work no! Thanks
Hey, For some reason my comments keep getting deleted. Is there some way I could contact you besides the comment section? I have an idea that I think you would like.
Tell me about your idea! Sorry for the wait dude, I try to keep up with comments and somehow I didn't get notified for this one, going through my comments in the studio is how I got here. reach out brother!
Any idea why my Franklin binary has a hard pull in semi but light pull in binary?
Which version do you have? For which firearm?
BFS 3, for a built ar 15
@@jasoncourtney314 is that the gen 3 with a single disconnector? yeah that's kind weird. there's extra mechanical stuff going on in binary. I'd honestly need to see a physical sample and play with it to see what's going on
@@StealthTheUnknown thanks for trying, I'm going to keep dry firing and using it for a while. Then pull it back out and see if I can see where the two parts are worn more than others. Then try to slowly file it down and try firing and repeat process until it's right. My bianary in ar 10 works perfectly. Thanks again.
What app are you using?
Algodoo.
www.algodoo.com/download
The legality of the trigger staying depressed without the user applying pressure is iffy because if you were to look at it in slow motion the firearm would discharge itself without the direct action from the shooter and some might say that this trigger is firing more than 1 round per direct action therefore making it illegal because it can be viewed as proper 2 round burst
It is iffy. Which is why I wanna test it
The function of a binary trigger is to fire when both pressed and released. Even if the release fire is slightly delayed, it's not changing the function, it's just preventing out of battery firing and making it more reliable.
Do you have any experience working with the Scar 16/17 platform?
I got to shoot a SCAR-L (16) once. Not automatic but still a great rifle!
Is this a game?? If so I wanna download it if its compatible w mac because i have to use mac 🤷♂️
Yeah, they have a version for mac. It’s less of a game, more of a sandbox.
www.algodoo.com/download/
And for scenes I’ve personally made and uploaded,
www.algodoo.com/algobox/profile.php?id=1861
Are you suggesting that simply grinding the catch down a touch would give you binary? Just making sure I'm following. It's genius btw. I've been trying so hard to figure out a way to make a "homemade" binary
That’ll work, just don’t overdo it and give yourself a “bubba full auto” where it just slips off the disconnector on its own.
I’d recommend going online and looking for a burst trigger kit (minus the auto sear - the rest of the kit is perfectly legal without a tax stamp) and do the filing to your burst disconnector. Now you can turn your binary mode on or off. 👌
@@StealthTheUnknown I mean even the auto sears aren't regulated(unless it's a drop in sear), but I wouldn't really want to get caught with one in combination with an AR. The reason is the auto sear can't be used without modification to the receiver. Many parts kits do come with auto sears though it's advised to get rid of them.
Hey love the vids and guns
thanks dude!
What if you filed down the catch on the disconnect…would that basically make it binary?
If you did it on the semi disconnector used for individual shots, and not two for hit and release, then it would end up just using the binary disconnector and firing on hit and release.
Man what app/ site its this?
Algodoo
Www.algodoo.com
Is that the factory trigger
No, this is a proprietary demonstration. I drafted it to illustrate the concept
What is the name of this app?
Algodoo.
www.algodoo.com/download
U raw asl bro
How do I download this?
I’m not sure I have this model available on the box, and I’m working to get the harddrive recovered this is stored on.
Ya gotta love engineering!
I see this creating prime opertunity for negligent discharge when the gun doesn't go into battery.
On the hit, or the release?
@@StealthTheUnknown release
If you made a tommy gun binary, you would make BANK on the east coast. People love them here still!
Was this ever made?
not yet.
Bravo
So ur telling me i file that little hook down and i got myself a free binary
"It functions exactly the same way as the other disconnector. Its dimensions are just different, and that results in a different function." Haha, what? I love it when someone who's intent on education contradicts themselves from one sentence to another lol. Also, these "binary" triggers are illegal. Don't buy them; don't attempt to manipulate your current one to mimic it either. The reason being, when the trigger is held in that "sweet spot," whereas neither the seer nor the catch will hold the hammer in place. It will cause the firearm to be fully automatic... So, unless you're intent on having ATF agents over for dinner, I would avoid these "binary" triggers at all costs. It's funny he mentioned Franklin's binary triggers. Those are legal and won't malfunction. Buy one of those if you want a binary.
No. They aren’t illegal. There is no “sweet spot” law. And you’re not a lawyer. And I didn’t contradict myself; you just didn’t hear/understand what I said correctly.
But keep on with the keyboard expertise
“I’m gonna insult your intelligence and fake laugh about it awkwardly. Also, I’ll give you some unsolicited advice that wasn’t needed.”
Really works well, winning formula bud.
Definitely not illegal, and he didn’t contradict himself.
The two disconnectors initially have the same function (catch the hammer) but because of the variation in geometry between the two (the hook, but also the addition of a tail on one of them), one of them behaves differently and has an additional function (release the hammer).
Hell it sound like you need to make a binary
Fuck yeah bro
Jesus ur insane with it
AFT Agent Dick Beazit is that you?
You caught me.
Its actually Sebastian. Just give it a skiddliedoo
Kid will you make them for sale already 😅
Real triggers require a lot more work than I have time or money for at the moment.
U can make an ar binary very easy
but RELIABLE binary is hard.
@@StealthTheUnknown run a cheap bcg.heavier so it's not so fast.i have a modded stock trigger and have never had an issue.The only issue is it's only binary.then again double tapping everything can be a good thing
McLovin
oh yeah bby
So do you have any of sed TRIGGERS??? Or have you run sum of sed TRIGGERS????? AR and AK TRIGGERS! Ooo to press part of the trigger!! Go run an AK TRIGGER!
I shot an akm full auto at BSMGS years ago. Not bad!
M16a2 binary
I don't get it..I just don't get it... it's like people say semi auto weapons are automatic... this is not bianary...(bi-ah-nary) it is binary(bi-nary).. it's like saying in stupid and don't know what I'm talking about
Guns. One of the most heavily and hotly debated subject matters by the least qualified to discuss them.
Why are you so smart?
Loads of free time and incessant inquiry
You see the problem here is that third pin hole that you put on there in the back buddy if you have that someone could argue that that's a full auto
Not if it’s in the trigger pack instead of the receiver. The fostech echo has a similar pin and is market legal
@@StealthTheUnknown big facts
I'm still trying to come up with an easier way like the zip tie binary method
@@StealthTheUnknown th-cam.com/video/PVfwFP_RwTQ/w-d-xo.html
Oh yeah I forgot about this
@@StealthTheUnknown
This works great too...
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I don't think ATF would like this kind of binary trigger since you probably can easily modify to full auto.
How so? While it may appear to be the case that some automatic function allows the hammer to be released, it's not true; the function of hammer release is contingent on one single function of the trigger being fully committed to. that is, you have to DELIBERATELY try to press or release the trigger for a mere single shot; the only thing automatic is the timing of when that function occurs, regulated by the trigger catch (not an auto sear, not even a sear - it never interfaces with the hammer.)
according to the legal definition of a machine gun, it is any firearm which can fire more than one single round of ammunition per function of the trigger - ie, hit or release - or, a component which, when installed in a firearm, converts it to function in such a manner.
now, the rate of fire you can accomplish by wiggling your finger really fast is IDENTICAL to full auto, but you deliberately and manually fire every shot. It's in the deliberation of those individual functions that makes the thing legal, and still a semi-automatic. No non-destructive alteration of the components depicted, or the removal thereof, or the addition of any components (save a legitimate, already regulated automatic sear, or a lightning link, or device of a similar function), will result in the device being converted into a machine gun, nor will any physical manipulation of these components by the operator accomplish such an effect.
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Lmao
Too complicated.
Wait till you see franklin armory’s binary trigger lol
Spec files, prints w/dimensions?
nope, not cad or anything to scale with real firearms or compatible with printers/fabrication machines.
This is great i love that program. Algadoo
Me too, dude.
Hi, algodoo is awesome! Anyway you could share your algodoo files so I could play with them? Thanks