I never played the game due to shitty computer but that line breaks MY heart, without any emotional connection to his character other than some wikia readings.
yeah. remember that part in ME2 where a Renegade option causes Shepard to knock someone out of the top of a building? Or when Shepard leaves Zaeed to die? Or when Shepard could tell a dying Batarian to quit sniveling? Or when Shepard electrocutes a merc for fun? Yeah. Funny.
Absolutely! Wrex is my 2nd favorite character (after Garrus). He's like an old buddy for me. Even as a Renegade I save him at Virmire and I cure the genophage in ME 3. Besides, if there is species with a renegade attitude, it's the Krogans! :P
I shot that dipshit in ME1 when he pulled a gun on me the Commander. Krogans are a hostile race and you guys act like showing pity to these nazis is a good thing
No matter how many times I replay all the three games, I still can't make myself to betray the krogan or geth, or make any major renegade decisions. It just seems like I would be actually betraying my friends. I need to get a life... (sad face)
I play renegade mostly, but occasionally paragon because Shepard does not fuck over his friends, no matter how much of a dick he is because they wouldn't fuck him over. (I also cringed when she shot Kaidan because he's my homie. Couldn't watch past it.)
SalemBarragan Depends on who is in charge...if Wreav is boss then betray Krogan anytime if Wrex is boss then you are one little worthless fucker if you do that.
Ashley is actually the only teammate I've ever had the heart to kill (I played ME2 first and the default was saving Ashley, so either I killed her in ME3 on those playthroughs, or in ME1). I've never killed Wrex, any of the ME2 teammates in 2 and 3, even inadvertently, always done the side quests and loyalty missions, but Ashley never made it to the end.
Ashley is xenophobic rather than racist in my view. Racism is an ideology, xenophobia is caused by an extreme lack of knowledge of others. Racism is something that you crush mercilessly (like what we did to the nazis in Berlin), xenophobia is something that you cure with education. If you are attentive to what she actually say, she doesn't actually argue that other species are biologically inferior. Rather, she doesn't trust them, feel they have weird cultural practices, fear that they have bad intentions, etc. She clearly has never been with other species before, so you need to show her that they are like us despite the differences. That's why I don't hate her. She's an okay teamate, but certainly not my favorite. Navigator Priestley is a good example of xenophobia being cured by being with others. If you read his journal on the crash site of the first Normandy, his first entry is a long ranting on how aliens shouldn't be on the ship and they should go to hell. The second entry is about him chatting with Tali and understanding that she's on her pilgrimage, that he now realises that it's a good cause. The third entry is him finally realising he was wrong all along and that he would now happily give his own life to save Garrus/Tali/Wrex/Liara, etc. if needed.
CreditR01 im going to romance her in me1 and then kill her in virmire....mostly because the games forces you to romance someone so thats the only way i know to evade a romance....(and fuck it, i hate her too)
What's the difference between an angry krogan and Commander Shepard? One is an unstoppable rape train of armor, muscle and furious vengeance. The other has four nuts.
I'm glad there's videos on Renegade... I just can't do it to my crew. I think the only Renegade ones I've done is the reporter and back in the earlier one when that guy on the dock wanted the ship.
I’ve only just realised that Garrus shakes his head in disapproval if you execute Falere. Pretty cool detail, shows you that Shepard could be potentially pushing their team away with their borderline insane actions.
6:09 FEMSHEP: The general won't listen to reason. Take him out. ORAKA: What was that? Take who out? FEMSHEP: Hmm? Oh, don't worry. Nothing to do with you. ORAKA: Well, that's a relief. For a moment I thou - (sniper bullet shreds his brain)
You can leave the sister of the guy in a biotic bubble in the Grimsom Academy to die. It's brutal. She is agonizing and you can watch her die. The time passes and one of your squadmate says: she's going to die. You still do nothing and then one squadmate says: She's dead.
That was... horrifying. I had no idea that was what Shepard was when you went 100% Renegade. Killing Wrex? Dear God, that's awful. I'm glad I didn't sabotage the Genophage cure. The Dalatrass sucks anyway.
Enzar17 I'd just like to note that sabotaging the Genophage cure is *not* "100% Renegade way, more like "pointlessly stupid/evulz way". If Wrex and Eve are alive there's hardly any reason to sabotage it - because Shepard knows Wrex, and has seen Wrex actively try to reform/mature the Krogan people not to repeat the mistakes of the past. Whereas if it's just Wreav in charge (Eve dead) then it just becomes the pragmatic/ruthless/"traditionally Renegade choice" (as I see it, anyway) as you/Shepard has seen that Wreav *will* re-enact the Krogan Rebellions given half the chance. Sorry for the necro, but I feel really strongly about this.
It'd be nice if when the Dalatrass was whining over the phonecall about Shepard curing the genophage, Shepard could answer: "I've had ENOUGH! A lot of time has passed, and you can't just wipe out an entire species just because you frog eyes can't stop digging in old wounds! The Turians agreed to getting it cured for the sake of peace, YOU on the other hand, YOU sabotage it even if your LIFE depends on it! If the Krogans wipe the Salarians out after the war, then you had it coming for you! Now what was the other thing you wanted to talk about? I hope not another whining about the genophage cure."
I love how none of her squadmates even comment when she guns down their former companions and their families in cold blood. I know Shep is charismatic, but it strikes me as odd that some of the crew, especially those that are more gentle by nature (Tali, Kaiden) seem so eager to be besties with a psychopath.
2:03 lol, that was already good, and Javik just adds to it. 5:45 I've been doing that one even in paragon playthroughs, it feels too good. 6:28 omg, I completely missed that, I need to do it next time. 7:18 most satisfying interrupt of the game, I can't do a playthrough without using it. Feel bad for the paragon player who misses it.
sillystar dude im doin one currently but ive been doin either neutral or renegade and in really rare cases a "paragon" choice to be able to have best outcome in later games
Femshep was brutal as fuck no lie. But when you saving the whole organic species you gotta be at times. Depite me playing with an always male shepard as mostly paragon. She was ruthless and decisive, unforgiving as well. She will cry when it is all done or die in her opinion. She simply has no time for bullshit, it is beautiful
8:52 Jesus Christ. As someone who's only cured the Genophage, hearing Shep give that line, in that context is all kinds of fucked. I'm going to feel like a REAL asshole on my Renegade run, aren't I?
0:56 are you kidding me? I have the exact same armor set up, colors and all on my current shep (except for the fact that I have the mnemonic visor too)
Honestly that kai leng kill is one of the only renegade options I pick during paragon play throughs. Like headbutting the krogam that shit talks Grunt in 2
No matter how you play her. She always comes off as abit of a sociopath. When good she's unnaturally stoic and stiff upper lipped. Which is unusual for female characters. And when she's not she's kind of scary.
Killing Wrex. God. What a fucking nightmare that is. I can’t imagine anyone seriously choosing the chain of events it would take to betray one of your most trusted, loyal, and treasured friends.
I love that this kind of extreme is possible, adds a lot to the sensation of freedom in an RPG, but God knows I couldn't be like this. My almost-100% paragon Shepard is the kind of person I aspire to become.
I had like 10 playthroughs, and watching this is so stressful for me My Shep is always as paragon as possible (and always with Liara) but damn, Shep is so hot when shes angry haha
I liked renegade better in ME1 where it was mostly comedic effect. But this.. killing Wrex, letting Samara kill herself and killing her daughter. Plain evil.
I'm glad I played Paragon with my male Sheperd the whole way threw. If this was real and not a game she wouldn't have to worry about the reapers killing her because everyone on the Normandy would want to including me if I was apart of the crew
![Renegade Shepard: Funny & Ridiculously Evil Moments [ME1]](/img/n.gif)
General Orka: Good to see you again, Shepard.
Shepard: The General won't listen to reason. Take him out.
"he's too nice, just shoot him. as a matter of fact, I'll do it myself"
Lol
A fav
Shepard’s over it
Shepard: The geth aren't alive. They're machines.
*Legion dies internally*
:'( *hugs legion*
Legion's facial reaction just melted my heart :(
Could never bring myself to choose this line. I could never break Legion like this.
I think that was the saddest part of the entire video for me.
I never played the game due to shitty computer but that line breaks MY heart, without any emotional connection to his character other than some wikia readings.
Shepard: "I've got this."
*Proceeds to gun down teammates.*
Harbinger : "Well done Shepard, you are truly one of us"
Renegade gameplay in ME1 and ME2 is funny, but in ME3, it's just brutal and coldblood.
The renegade for ME3 is brutal...holy shit, the darkest side of Shepard that ever exist.
yeah. remember that part in ME2 where a Renegade option causes Shepard to knock someone out of the top of a building? Or when Shepard leaves Zaeed to die? Or when Shepard could tell a dying Batarian to quit sniveling? Or when Shepard electrocutes a merc for fun? Yeah. Funny.
@@dick_an Yeah, it was always brutal.
@@dick_an You dont get to gun down a team mate in those games though. Or cause the deaths of thousands of people so you can save your own ass
Yeah, killing the Rachni queen and executing Wrex was very funny.
I think that killing Wrex like that is the most evil thing you can do in the whole series. And it goes with shooting Mordin in the back...
PonzooonTheGreat
yup
I do like renegade Shep though. The anti hero is always more fun.
I always cure the genophage even when I play renegade. I just can't kill Mordin or Wrex.
Same
+PonzooonTheGreat And shooting Legion..that was cold as fuck as well.
Wrex: I prefer my Salarian liver served raw!
Javik: He is correct. It was a delicacy in our cycle.
*Angry Salarian and then even more Angry Salarian.*
I like Garrus' response better;
"I hear Vorcha like it grilled!"
Garrus: I heard the Vorcha like it grilled.
That Wrex death, my tears man.
I know right? I got overly attached to Wrex and Grunt.
Even in a renegade play through, I could never do that to wrex.
Absolutely! Wrex is my 2nd favorite character (after Garrus). He's like an old buddy for me. Even as a Renegade I save him at Virmire and I cure the genophage in ME 3. Besides, if there is species with a renegade attitude, it's the Krogans! :P
I know painful to watch.
I shot that dipshit in ME1 when he pulled a gun on me the Commander. Krogans are a hostile race and you guys act like showing pity to these nazis is a good thing
6:22 Oh my god Legion's reaction made me so sad....... ;~;
:'( he has a soul
7:18 still the best renegade interrupt ever, do it every single time even on full paragon.
Manuel Sacha what even happens on paragon?? Like if you dont do the interrupt
Galuxeh his sword remains intact
LMAO, bruh, those salarian faces they made when talking about their guts being serve raw. Shit had me weak.
I was cryinnggg omg 2:03
Javic's reply is gold as well
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It's just a poster with a few candles. It's very tasteful. xD
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Well at least she didn't shoot Mordin in the back. I was pretty sure this vid was going in that direction.
Thank god.
that's what happened with the first scenario, in which Wrex jumps Shepard at the citadel. just didn't show it
No matter how many times I replay all the three games, I still can't make myself to betray the krogan or geth, or make any major renegade decisions. It just seems like I would be actually betraying my friends. I need to get a life... (sad face)
Nah, Renegade Shepard is a colossal dick. Not being able to make those decisions just makes you a decent human being :P
I play renegade mostly, but occasionally paragon because Shepard does not fuck over his friends, no matter how much of a dick he is because they wouldn't fuck him over.
(I also cringed when she shot Kaidan because he's my homie. Couldn't watch past it.)
I couldn't watch Wrex die.
He was one of my favorite characters.
Betraying the Krogan is the right decision for the galaxy. Friendship with one of them cannot trump that. Sometimes you must harden your heart.
SalemBarragan Depends on who is in charge...if Wreav is boss then betray Krogan anytime if Wrex is boss then you are one little worthless fucker if you do that.
I could play renegade and be an asshole to everyone but never betray my squadmates.
i sometimes shoot ashley just coz she is annoying for half of the dam game
Ashley is actually the only teammate I've ever had the heart to kill (I played ME2 first and the default was saving Ashley, so either I killed her in ME3 on those playthroughs, or in ME1). I've never killed Wrex, any of the ME2 teammates in 2 and 3, even inadvertently, always done the side quests and loyalty missions, but Ashley never made it to the end.
Ashley is xenophobic rather than racist in my view. Racism is an ideology, xenophobia is caused by an extreme lack of knowledge of others. Racism is something that you crush mercilessly (like what we did to the nazis in Berlin), xenophobia is something that you cure with education.
If you are attentive to what she actually say, she doesn't actually argue that other species are biologically inferior. Rather, she doesn't trust them, feel they have weird cultural practices, fear that they have bad intentions, etc. She clearly has never been with other species before, so you need to show her that they are like us despite the differences. That's why I don't hate her. She's an okay teamate, but certainly not my favorite.
Navigator Priestley is a good example of xenophobia being cured by being with others. If you read his journal on the crash site of the first Normandy, his first entry is a long ranting on how aliens shouldn't be on the ship and they should go to hell. The second entry is about him chatting with Tali and understanding that she's on her pilgrimage, that he now realises that it's a good cause. The third entry is him finally realising he was wrong all along and that he would now happily give his own life to save Garrus/Tali/Wrex/Liara, etc. if needed.
Philippe D.R. those entries broke my heart
CreditR01 im going to romance her in me1 and then kill her in virmire....mostly because the games forces you to romance someone so thats the only way i know to evade a romance....(and fuck it, i hate her too)
The Scumbag Shepard route in ME2 was bad, but just dark enough to be considered humorous. THIS is just pure brutality.
What's the difference between an angry krogan and Commander Shepard?
One is an unstoppable rape train of armor, muscle and furious vengeance.
The other has four nuts.
Being mean to Legion is so sad like I find him to be so wholesome with his whole "Shepard Commander" lines
I'm glad there's videos on Renegade... I just can't do it to my crew. I think the only Renegade ones I've done is the reporter and back in the earlier one when that guy on the dock wanted the ship.
Oh my god, fucking laughing so hard when she just starts shooting Koris from the shuttle
I’ve only just realised that Garrus shakes his head in disapproval if you execute Falere. Pretty cool detail, shows you that Shepard could be potentially pushing their team away with their borderline insane actions.
Wrex and Samara dying was so sad. UGH I would never let them die! I love them.
Ya i love that part when Wrex pulls a gun on a Commander and gets blown away on Eden Prime
@@majormarketing6552 that wasn't Eden Prime, that was on Virmire.
...At least Mordin is alive. Lol
6:09 FEMSHEP: The general won't listen to reason. Take him out.
ORAKA: What was that? Take who out?
FEMSHEP: Hmm? Oh, don't worry. Nothing to do with you.
ORAKA: Well, that's a relief. For a moment I thou - (sniper bullet shreds his brain)
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You can leave the sister of the guy in a biotic bubble in the Grimsom Academy to die. It's brutal. She is agonizing and you can watch her die. The time passes and one of your squadmate says: she's going to die. You still do nothing and then one squadmate says: She's dead.
That was... horrifying. I had no idea that was what Shepard was when you went 100% Renegade. Killing Wrex? Dear God, that's awful. I'm glad I didn't sabotage the Genophage cure. The Dalatrass sucks anyway.
Enzar17 I'd just like to note that sabotaging the Genophage cure is *not* "100% Renegade way, more like "pointlessly stupid/evulz way". If Wrex and Eve are alive there's hardly any reason to sabotage it - because Shepard knows Wrex, and has seen Wrex actively try to reform/mature the Krogan people not to repeat the mistakes of the past.
Whereas if it's just Wreav in charge (Eve dead) then it just becomes the pragmatic/ruthless/"traditionally Renegade choice" (as I see it, anyway) as you/Shepard has seen that Wreav *will* re-enact the Krogan Rebellions given half the chance.
Sorry for the necro, but I feel really strongly about this.
I think if u don’t mordin will die. So it comes down to saving mordin or Wrex
It'd be nice if when the Dalatrass was whining over the phonecall about Shepard curing the genophage, Shepard could answer: "I've had ENOUGH! A lot of time has passed, and you can't just wipe out an entire species just because you frog eyes can't stop digging in old wounds! The Turians agreed to getting it cured for the sake of peace, YOU on the other hand, YOU sabotage it even if your LIFE depends on it! If the Krogans wipe the Salarians out after the war, then you had it coming for you! Now what was the other thing you wanted to talk about? I hope not another whining about the genophage cure."
"The geth aren't alive, they're machines" Legion's head flap thing ;-; poor bby
I'll be honest, renegade femshep is really scary, but she is hot at the same time
well, not if you leave the facial scars intact. Other wise she's fine. Though it's ruined by the fact that she's a complete psycopath.
@@Jdude281 still bang tho
@@crustybear615 "We'll bang, ok?"
She puts out gun.
You: "What the fuck?"
She: "You said we'll bang."
Shoots you.
@@19Sephirot93 just like how bully maguire would've reacted...
@@SaySomethingPositiveOrSTFU Well, I'm her role model
7:19
One of the few exceptions on my paragon (first) play through.
0:29 This is the closest we'll ever get to seeing FemShep give BioWare the middle finger for those original endings.
"Jeff, you have Brittle Bones.... She's made of metal" LMAOOOOO
I love how none of her squadmates even comment when she guns down their former companions and their families in cold blood. I know Shep is charismatic, but it strikes me as odd that some of the crew, especially those that are more gentle by nature (Tali, Kaiden) seem so eager to be besties with a psychopath.
Follow orders or get shot too
They're probably to scared to say anything.
@@IndorilTheGreat Makes sense.
...... '' Isn't losing my family enough ''.. i remember that moment from my playthrough... '' trollface ''.. NOPE!
Maybe a little bit.
But video games and fast cars brings forth the devil in me :D
ME2 renegade scenes are much more elaborate and fun
I think even the Paragon Sheps push that eclipse dude out of the windows. I know I do :-)
The facts that it takes that many bullets and a fall to kill Wrex makes him a really useful ally agaisnt the reapers
7:07
This is how you get thrown out the airlock.
7:50 most badass line I've heard in Mass Effect.
Ah, a video that shows everything I would've never done through any of my seven gameplays
7:33 I never go renegade with Joker. He is the best friend one can have!
He is a nutcase who sleeps with a robot
Wreav: Who are you, exactly?
Javik: Prothean
Wreav: And how many of you are left?
Javik: Enough to kill you.
Savage
Not one comment how the reporter learned to fight and was prepared for Shepard to attack her for the third time?
Renegade Shep is like a daughter to Zaeed. i cri evrytiem
Zaeed reminds me of Bronn.
ME3 Renegade is just depressing... save for a few spots, it really just made me sad. Bitchy ME2 Shepard is better.
It's pure evil
@@Rookie_Mode2023 Not to mention practically doom the krogan to extinction.
i always choose the renegade interrupt just to see the reaper turn its eyeball to watch as hell rains down on it
Mordin's "I made a mistake!" outburst is such feels....
you need to lower your stress levels... YEAH RIGHT. HAHAHAHAAA XDDDD
I disagree:
Mass effect 1: asshole
Mass effect 2: bad ass
Mass effect 3: unforgivable
10/10 best ending. 100% agreed.
For everything else, that there's one bad bitch.
2:03 lol, that was already good, and Javik just adds to it.
5:45 I've been doing that one even in paragon playthroughs, it feels too good.
6:28 omg, I completely missed that, I need to do it next time.
7:18 most satisfying interrupt of the game, I can't do a playthrough without using it. Feel bad for the paragon player who misses it.
6:20 Poor Legion, somebody hug him please!
Sitting in a corner, silently praying Shep isn't a dick to Liara or Traynor
I think I'll cry a lot if I ever play full renegade. Lying to the krogan is too much for me.
sillystar dude im doin one currently but ive been doin either neutral or renegade and in really rare cases a "paragon" choice to be able to have best outcome in later games
Lying to the Krogan is like saying Hail Hydra to Hydra. Krogans are a hostile race just waiting to fuck the galaxy
Still hard to watch Rex get gun down like that
I did it in Me1 and it was satisfying as hell. That dipshit pulls a gun on his commander. Krogan are a hostile race don’t forget it
@@majormarketing6552 You need a therapist. You're fucked up.
Oh my god. I applaud you for going full renegade. I could never go full 100 percent.
Scars. Red glowing eyes, damn she looks like a sith.
Son of a bitch! Now I wanna play the game again -.-
I should go..
Commander Shepard Am I YOUR dirty little secret?
Fury Risk Shhhhh ;)
Commander Shepard I'm Fury Risk, and you are my favorite person the youtube.
Femshep was brutal as fuck no lie. But when you saving the whole organic species you gotta be at times. Depite me playing with an always male shepard as mostly paragon. She was ruthless and decisive, unforgiving as well. She will cry when it is all done or die in her opinion. She simply has no time for bullshit, it is beautiful
8:52 Jesus Christ. As someone who's only cured the Genophage, hearing Shep give that line, in that context is all kinds of fucked.
I'm going to feel like a REAL asshole on my Renegade run, aren't I?
0:56
are you kidding me? I have the exact same armor set up, colors and all on my current shep (except for the fact that I have the mnemonic visor too)
Thats what you get for playing a woman
The way she just hits the gun out of that batarians hands and shoots him is hilarious and iconic lmao
Jennifer hale will always be my favorite voice actress
Garrus: Remind me never to play Poker with you.
Kenny and Gabrielle: We learned that the hard way.
Gil from Andromeda: Challenge accepted.
Imagine if you had the option to kill Garrus along Wrex, Mordin, and the Virmire survivor.
Honestly that kai leng kill is one of the only renegade options I pick during paragon play throughs. Like headbutting the krogam that shit talks Grunt in 2
Jesus Christ I didn't know Shepard could be so evil!!
haha Javik has the best things to say when interacting with others. I didn't expect that after the quiet ME2 addon characters
Oraka: Good to see you again, Shepard. :)
Shepard: _The general won't listen to reason. Take him out._
How do you keep your squad alive or have enough War assets with this kind of attitude?
No matter how you play her. She always comes off as abit of a sociopath. When good she's unnaturally stoic and stiff upper lipped. Which is unusual for female characters. And when she's not she's kind of scary.
Kaidan gets shot once in the stomach by a Predator pistol and dies?
Worst.
Armor.
Ever.
Never. Ever betray shep
7:20
"Let me just PUNCH YOUR FUCKING SWORD IN HALF"
Shepard > Ryder
watching you kill Wrex really broke my heart, like damn
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7:08 the way Traynor says that is hilarious 😂
Hale is phenomenal as a renegade
Killing Wrex. God. What a fucking nightmare that is. I can’t imagine anyone seriously choosing the chain of events it would take to betray one of your most trusted, loyal, and treasured friends.
7:20 the only Moment I ever chose a Renegade option in my playthrough. And it was damn worth it.
Kaidan - Damn it. I knew I should've activated my shields for this council-defending missio- ugh....
I love that this kind of extreme is possible, adds a lot to the sensation of freedom in an RPG, but God knows I couldn't be like this. My almost-100% paragon Shepard is the kind of person I aspire to become.
I had like 10 playthroughs, and watching this is so stressful for me
My Shep is always as paragon as possible (and always with Liara)
but damn, Shep is so hot when shes angry haha
Man...what happened to you Shepard? Renegade went from simple ruthlessness to cold blooded as fuck.
After several playthroughs, I realize that there are several renegade choice that work perfectly in a paragon playthrough.
This guy gets life.
Jesus if the Reaper wouldn't destroy all sentient life in the galaxy than renegade Shepard would.
2:10 He is correct, it was a... delicacy in our cycle.... XD :v
That momment the salarian looks at Javik after the liver dialogue XD.
Shepard is keeping them all into place!
If this Shepard take control over the reapers then we are all doomed :D
You can’t control them. You just get indoctrinated irl talking that shit.
I love the way Dr. Michel talks.
6:18 "Who can say where the road goes, where the day flows, only time..."
Shepard, Jack and Javik being in the same room should make it implode from snark.
I liked renegade better in ME1 where it was mostly comedic effect.
But this.. killing Wrex, letting Samara kill herself and killing her daughter.
Plain evil.
True, renegade is good in some moment (vs enemies or useless politics) but with my squad i'm most of the time parangon
4:10 EXTREMELY. HEARTBREAKING.
God I love Renegade Shep ... Renegade Dialogue/Paragon Actions (to save my friends lmao) is pretty much ideal.
when Shepard kills wrex my heart got crushed a bit
this is the most painful thing to watch in the world
I could never make myself do that
I'm glad I played Paragon with my male Sheperd the whole way threw. If this was real and not a game she wouldn't have to worry about the reapers killing her because everyone on the Normandy would want to including me if I was apart of the crew
Thank yoy for uploading this so I don't have to play as a renegade
The only renegade interrupts I ever took in ME3 where the one with the Reaper and Kai Leng.
Poor Kaiden, its sad to see that happen to him.
Harbinger: I'm the main villain of the trilogy!
*Brutally Bitchy Shepard returns*
...
Harbinger: whattheshit?