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Asus ROG Flow X16 - a great notebook with a spectacular screen and a so-so RTX 4070!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- The 2-in-1 gaming convertible is back, and this time, we are dealing with the top-of-the-line configuration with an amazing MiniLED 240 Hz Display and NVIDIA's Laptop RTX 4070.
If the faster GPU and the much better screen are worth the eye-watering price tag?
Well, we will tell you all about it in our review.
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Our review unit for the @asusrog Flow X16 comes with Intel's i9-13900H, Nvidia's RTX 4070, 32 GB DDR5-4800 RAM, and a 1TB SSD.
Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:42 - Overview, Specs
1:40 - Chassis/ 2-in-1 Functionality
2:48 - Ports
3:20 - Display
4:04 - CPU - Performance - System/Drive Performance
4:35 - GPU/Gaming - Performance
5:44 - Sponsorspot
7:09 - Fan Noise + Noise Samples
7:44 - Battery Runtimes
7:54 - Answering your Questions
10:18 - Summary
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Thank you for taking the time to respond to questions, I did not expect the reduced power profiles in tablet mode so that's very good to know since I'd be using it as a desktop replacement in tablet mode.
You are more than welcome, and yeah, it's a bit of a bummer since that is the same way I would use it.
Man the RTX 4070 just destroying the value proposition in every laptop. Premium price with lackluster upgrade over 3070/Ti and with just 8GB VRAM. It's RTX 4060 or straight 4080. 4070 is in no man's land.
Yeah, it's in a weird spot, but the RTX4070 is the only option with the MiniLED 🫠
True. I honestly don't know what could salvage it. More VRAM? Better raster? Bit of both? Probably a bit of both.
@antalpoti well, Ad104 with 5888 cuda cores and everything that comes along with it (practically 4070 desktop chip).
It would be right in the middle between current 4070 and 4080 laptop gpus. They could call it 4070 ti...
Same for pc. 4070 or even a ti is more expensive than a 7900xt with 20gb and way more Performance 😂
I would go as far as saying that anything higher than 4060 has terrible value. In this generation, (full power) mobile 4060 and 4050 are not only the same chips but also have similar TDPs as their desktop versions. But the difference in power starts to differ drastically starting from 4070. So, yeah, a mobile 4080 might be much faster than a mobile 4060 but you'd also be paying like $800 more. Unless, you can get them cheap, like M16 2023 with 4070, when on sale, was as low as $1500.
I'm daily driving this laptop for a week now, really happy with it. My only gripes are the lack of a numpad (there should be enough space on a 16") and the keys are illegible without the backlight. Battery life is an improvement over my old Legion 5 Pro, but could've been better.
But like it is said in the video: there's no other convertible like it :)
Yeah, it is definitly not "perfect" but still an awesome machine!
I guess numpads are a controversial thing, like for myself and people around me who don't really need it in life, we prefer large laptops without a numpad, so maybe it also depends on who asus is catering to
Really wanted the X13 at first, but suddenly decided to go with the Z13 instead. Turned out that even without the keyboard, the Z13 was still too large and too heavy as a tablet. And the X13 is even larger (slightly) and heavier, and you'd have to carry weight of the keyboard even when in tablet mode. The only downside is the X13 does have larger trackpad, better performance and longer battery life.
Love my Legion slim 7 (7840hs-4060) but if i were to pick a different pc, this would likely be it. Love the flow series. They're about to get real interesting with Strix Point i think. Cheers
The cool thing is that you can extend this laptop with RTX 4090 mobile. XG Mobile looks really cool. Have been waiting for this for years. Would be much cooler of course if the stock was RTX 4080. Stable Diffusion can run pretty well on 8 GB, but more VRAM is better.
Hey Alex! Thanks a lot for the review, it's very informative. I would like to ask you about the mini LED display. Do you notice a lot of blooming? Does it bother you during normal usage (e.g. not while consuming content)?
Thanks again and keep up the valuable work!
You are more than welcome.
Its got blooming for sure, if you have it in multi-zone backlight, which is the standard for a MiniLED panel. But Asus allows you to switch to single-zone, which is basically like your standard IPS panel, so no blooming at all!
So I used it in Mulit-Zone for everything entertaining (movies, games etc.) and Single-Zone for everything else (work, desktop, productivity, video editing etc.)
My only complaint is the ports. Either they should have a USB-A on both sides or both at the left. The USB-A is the port you wanna use for external mouse. If your exhaust and USB-A ports are at the right side, right handed people are gonna suffer when using a mouse.
Great review Alex! ❤ I can't take this laptop into consideration, 13th gen 3.300 €? WTF are they smoking? 😂😂😂 crazy prices! Waiting for something cheaper with 14gen or 7000/ 8000 series AMD!
Ah well, I get your point, but the whole user experience will probably not be that different with a new CPU.
But I am curious what they will do with it this year, and I also hope they will put it on sale sometime soon! As awesome as it is, it is a bit too expensive.
@@NotebookcheckReviews well, maybe with 14th gen the battery life would increase...but yeah, the whole experience probably would be the same (apart from battery life). I meant it is so expensive for a 13th gen. 14th gen laptops are much cheaper than this, thats my point, but still a great option! Not affordable for me...
Thanks for replying!! ❤️
Thanks for the great review! Do you find using the Asus pen 2.0 to operate better on their Oled screens (like on the Zenbook 14 Pro) vs the MiniLED on the Flow x16? Any difference? is Oled better for the multi touch gestures and pen input?
Ohyes would like to know too!!
While I am not sure, I would guess they use the same layer above the display for both pen and touch, so the experience is quite similar. I used the same Pro-Pen 2 on the ProArt Studiobook, Zenbook 14, Zephyrus Duo 16, etc., and it "felt" the same, regardless of the display tech.
@NotebookcheckReviews Thank you! Very much considering the ProArt Studiobook 16 as my next laptop so this helps.
if you think about it , Flow might be the only 2 in 1 gaming laptop, other 2 in 1 are mostly thin and light ultrabooks
Yup, I broke my previous laptop (HP Zbook) and I was looking for a gaming laptop with touchscreen to replace it. Even without the 360X, I had a hard time to find something (combined with either OLED or Mini-LED). There was a Lenovo, but that one wasn't durable enough for me. Found this laptop finally, and it feels sturdy, is 360X, has pen support, and it is a gaming laptop with a normal battery life!
Only very big downside is the lack of the pen in the box and the fact that I can connect my HP Pen, but I can't do anything with it. I love the lack of the number thingy on the right and how centered the mouse pad it (two wishes for a laptop for me)
"The infamous ROG Flow X16" Why "infamous"? It's generally acknowledged as a great laptop.
Visit just to witness the excellent video production! Fantastic job, Alex!
💪 thanks for watching, mate!
Nice Video mate! But Micro sd card reader at this pricepoint + Asus famously bad (not existing) warranty makes it a nah.
I just returned my ProArt 16 Studiobook OLED b/c the graininess, window screen effect, and PWM hurt my eyes. Is Mini-Led the way to go now for touchscreen, creator laptops? Ty!
I'm straight up aiming for the 4090, mainly because I need a powerhouse for what I do (I perform incredibly complex computing tasks that truly consume tons of power... I'm sure the 4080 will be enough, but better safe than sorry)
So why not buy a desktop, you ask? I live in a 2m^2 room, and what I do matters a lot to me
Am interested in seeing if they do update this to Intel 14th gen and/or AMD Ryzen 8000 series chips. Also it's too bad that you have to get the 4070 version to get the mini LED panel. It would be nice if there was a slightly more affordable in-between SKU that had the RTX 4060, but still had the better mini LED panel instead of an IPS display.
It should has numberpad, at least on the trackpad, and per key rgb, perfect!
Ah well, if it would have had a numpad the other 50% of the internet would have complained ;)
Kinda wish they made a 14” version of this 😫
Well, there is a 13" than you can also get with up to a 4070 ...
But yeah, 14" with MiniLED or OLED would be 😍
Yes 👌
@@NotebookcheckReviews Here's hoping that the Flow x13 comes with mini LED soon. I am sooo looking for a portable 2 in 1 with bright screen.
I have the Flow x16 but using it as a tablet is very cumbersome and even carrying it arount is no joy.
Hello sir will this launch with upgrades in 2024😢⁉️
Nvidias mobile rtx4000 offerings are just a scam. their "4070" is %20 slower than their desktop 4060 (that everyone considers to be the real 4050). This crap is not much faster than my 6600M( rx6600) that was found in $750 laptops a year or two ago.
In our database, the 6600m is about 15% slower than the 4070 in our 3DMark rating ...
I'm stuck between choosing this laptop or the Pro Art Studio book 16 OLED. I wanted to get your opinion on it. I'm trying to get a laptop for a live gigs where I will need to be using A LOT of effects on my DAW. I also do some light video editing here and there. But I just love the way the flow bends all the way back and the mini LED instead of the OLED. Is it that much more worth it to get the HX processor over the H?
if u have no problem with burn in, take the proart
Just ordered this version as a refurbished model for 2099€ in Germany. I think with this price tag it is hard to beat. Loved the x13 and z13 a lot.
Yikes, that is a steal! Especially with regular prices in europe being pretty crazy this generation!
Congrats!
@@NotebookcheckReviews the only problem is that I‘m also very interested in the G14 2024. Sure, it is a different type of device but it seems to be more portable and premium… I guess I need to find out 🥲
There was a refurbished for 1760 Euros. I've been dreaming of it for like three months. I might go for a 1000Euro secondhand MSI GP 66 3070 Ti 240Hz OLED. One can dream
The ANSI keyboard layout makes this laptop unusable for a lot of people who are used to ISO keyboards.
It did not bother me personally.
It always depends on how much you have trained your muscle memory and how picky you are about your keyboard layout.
Also, thanks for your reviews. It's honestly one of the best review channel.
Do you have any idea when we can expect videos for these years G14, legion 7i?
Do not forget languages. ANSI has one key missing next to the left Shift, so some symbols are just missing for many languages, especially those with additional symbols (think öäü). The symbols usually lost are especially useful for coding or maths/Excel work. Or some emoticons. Notably the X16 you had isn't a true ANSI layout as it has the extra key and the narrow Shift. Not all ASUS/ROG laptops in Europe have that privilege. @@NotebookcheckReviews
Hi Alex. Do you know if they are bring out a new model of the X16 this year? Keen to see if they improve upon this 2023 model
Unfortunately we do not know!
different gesture made this laptop excellent, but that might cause great damage to liquid metal right?
Asus actually did quite a good job of preping the mainboard to prevent the Liquid Metal from moving around. They have little foam pieces all around the dies, so I can't see how it might become a problem in the future!
Hey Alex Great review as always I’ll be going with the Razer blade 18 2024 model or the Asus Strix Scar 18 2024 model this year as the Strix Scar 18 offers amazing performance with a new ‘eye candy’ 240hz Mini LED Display with that one zone and multi zone switch for productive work that only Asus has for displays and while that may all sound great the Razer blade 18 2023 model beat out the Asus Strix Scar 18 2023 model last year while offering a full cnc milled aluminium chassis full selection of ports 3 fans one connected into the battery keeping it cool a full port selection windows ir hello face unlock good webcam and the best part when it comes in the all white mercury edition blade 18 and the 4k 165hz competitive IPS display and the future proof thunderbolt 5 port. Hoping to also see you review these laptops at some point this year.
I loved the Blade 18, its massive displa, super sleek form factor, and while it wasn't the fastest 4090 laptop you could get, it was very well-behaved regarding fan noise.
I will get the Scar next week for a review, so I am really looking forward to that display ... ;)
Хм 🧐 надо было ещё показать систему охлаждения, это тоже очень важно, тем более в ноутбуках
Do you mean the internals?
That's why I referred you guys to the RTX4060 video. You can see all of that here:
th-cam.com/video/zl8_DKKXMTg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=p8YjmoPWuqDiEPaR
LOL. No "puppy" today. Thanks for the video.
🤣 next video, I promise!
He said though. Here 2:22
Even I forgot that I did 🤣
Hey, I've been watching your videos, and they are very instructive. I'm thinking of buying myself a new laptop but I'm hesitating between the G16 2024 and the X16. Can you help me somehow?
I'm French, so the laptops I'm talking about can be purchased at these prices:
ASUS ROG ZEPHYRUS-G16-GU605MV 16" OLED QHD+ 240HZ 0.2MS INTEL CORE ULTRA 9 185H RAM 32 GB LPDDR5X 1 TB SSD GEFORCE RTX 4060 -> 2700€
ASUS ROG FLOW X16 GV601VV 16" WUXGA 240HZ INTEL CORE I9 13900H RAM 16 GB DDR5 1 TB SSD GEFORCE RTX 4060 TGP 120 W BLACK -> 2700€
My concerns are the hinge on the X16 and the fan noise on the G16.
Can you or someone advise me if one or another is worth my money?
Can we use this laptop for reading books and journaling with ease ?? In terms of compatibility
Yeah, but complex with holding it in hand, I own the og 2022 variant, too some extent use it for same purpose, get the work done easily.
The reason the touch didn't work could be that the setting was ignoring touch while using the pen or keeping the pen too close to the screen.
Nope, I did test that, and it's also not the first time since I used that pen with such settings, and it wasn't as bad before, with different laptops.
Thank you for the answer. I will be waiting for the review.
But TBH I was more in the yoga pro 9i 14 with the MiniLED. I read the notebookcheck review where it was not clearly stated and some other reviewers did mention about the low brightness flickering. I have experienced OLED firsthand and it is definitely not for me because even if it is not noticeable at first it becomes with time. So, I am more interested in MiniLED now and I honestly don't care about the blooming effect.
@@NotebookcheckReviews
Great review, for a laptop. But, like most reviews looking at the Flow line of Asus ROG's, it was very light on the most standout features of the X16: the convertible use. What makes it unique.
I get it, it's a great laptop. Anyone looking at it, gets it's a great laptop. How the hell does it perform as a tablet?
It's a 2-in-1, arguable the only one in it's respective weight class. And this review and so many others miss 50% of it's use.
Does it game in Tablet mode? It will probably get throttled in a AAA title, but can we play casual games in tablet? Can I use it as a Steam Deck replacement?
How does the pen actually perform? Do you see any jitters? Can we interface with top-down games with it?
How does it feel to hold it in your lap as a tablet for 2 hours? Such as gaming in bed or on the couch?
How's reading a book in tablet?
Actually use the other half of it's functionality. Every review on this thing is a gross disservice to this device. Just the same bla bla bla benchmarks I can just google.
Asus ROG Flow X16 RTX 4060 Mini led 2024 or Zephyrus g14/g16 RTX 4070 2024?
G16 2024 is better, with nice oled screen and better battery life and thermals with the ultra chips
Honestly when it’s comes to gaming laptops I feel like the 4060 and 4080 laptops are the only good option at least as far as invidia goes
If you have the choice, you are right.
But most "interesting" notebooks do come with the 4070 ... just like the X16; if you want the MiniLED panel, it's your only option to go with the 4070.
How's the miniLED panel for people sensitive to PWM?
That is really a very subjective thing!
Can it fully fold to become a tablet. I keep only seeing it half folded
Yes, you can flip it all the way back!
The price in Europe is outrageous
What about keyboard is it the same as previous one?
I would say so! Check out the RTX4060 video: th-cam.com/video/zl8_DKKXMTg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=p8YjmoPWuqDiEPaR
Would this be the idel laptop for using VIP 3D structure studios ?
I am afraid I am not familiar with that workflow
Pls put an intel ultra 9 and touch responsive oled on this pls.
where can i buy this laptop ?
You would have to check your local retailers!
Could you please tell me about the MiniLED display ? Not just this one but as general. I use my laptop at 3-10% brightness most of the time.
Now how would the MiniLED PWM flickering behave under 10% brightness?
SN: My eyes catch very minor things. Luckily my x1 yoga does not use PWM, my old IdeaPad y700 had some and it really bothered me and gave eye strain even if it was an IPS. I heard MiniLED & OLED are even worse. I can't decide which laptop to go for because of this.
miniLED is not for you. Since you notice minor things, you will notice the blooming often when not watching movies or playing games.
Since you dont need very bright screens, there is no point in using a power hungry miniLED. So keep looking for oled or IPS with low PW flickering
Thanks for replying but that's not what I was asking, and I am not worried about blooming effect@@Valmed87
We will do some more testing regarding this in the following weeks!
However, since the PWM frequency in MiniLEDs is much higher than in OLEDs, I would generally suggest testing those.
The frequency of the PWM will not change at lower brightness levels but the amplitude will ... again, we will do more in-depth testing about this! ;)
Do touchpad have digital numpad?
Nope, just a plain old normal trackpad! :)
Ich habe mein G14 4080 zurück gesendet und habe mir das Rog Flow x16 mit mini LED und der 4070 gekauft. Ich habe das nur gemacht, da ich das flow neu für nur 1999 Euro bekommen habe! Der Preis von 3000 Euro war mir für das Gerät zu viel aber für 1999 Euro konnte ich nicht mehr widerstehen.
Wo hast du es gekauft? Gibts das angebot noch?
Will there be a refresh for this model in 2024 ?
First, thank you for addressing my question about the battery life. I wanted to go for an RTX4070 but comparing the performance and the battery life, the RTX4060 seems more reasonable(And I really don't care about the MiniLED. The IPS is good enough for me).
And goddamn MacBook's speaker sounds great.
I still do think the X13 is much more preferable 2 in 1 due to its portability(both the size, the weight, and the battery life), but unfortunately, the only model of it that comes with 32 GB RAM is with RTX4070 which is ridiculous both in the price and the overall performance that you can get out of the dGPU.
You are more than welcome; I would also say the RTX4060 makes much more sense when you do not need the MiniLED.
And the same goes for the X13, that one with the 4060 ... such an incredible machine.
At this point I must agree with people saying asus is beyond greedy, like why won't they just refresh the flow x16 with an rtx4090 GPU for goodness sake, finding a 4090 eGPU is ridiculously expensive and almost impossible to find, at this point asus is deliberately making this choice out of greed, great video once again👍🏾
While I would like to see the Flow with a 100W 4080/4090 as well, I would assume it is not a config many users would actually buy, and it would make an expensive machine even more expensive. It would probably make more sense to look at an M16 or something at that point.
But I agree, prices are just way too high, but you are paying for the novelty of some of their form factors, which you can simply not find anywhere else on the market!
@@NotebookcheckReviews that's maybe considerate, but a 100w on a 16 inch chassis, is still not enough, if the same asus could make a 150+25w dynamic boost strix scar 16 laptop, why settle for a 100w 4080 GPU, when they can go as far as giving us a 175w 4090 GPU in the flow x16, there's only one logical reason as to why they won't that, dynamic sales, they're simply manipulating product qualities to create an illusion of variations of products ( in this case, laptops) to make consumers buy more than one of their machines, they have every opportunity to make the rog flow 16, the ultimate all in one laptop, price is not the issue, here in Europe, the price of the strix scar 18 with the rtx4090 is ridiculous, yet people still buys it, if there's a variation of the rog flow 16, with a 175w rtx4090, that might eliminate the market for the strix scar, and they know it, so they'll never make such mistake, like imagine if there was a rog flow 18, a miniled display, with the current highest end CPUs, with a 175w rtx4090 GPU, why would anyone buy the strix scar laptops if they're valued around the same price?? Cause they obviously won't be selling such laptop above €5,500
I simply do not think you can put a 175W 4090 in the Flow's chassis. You compare it with a strix G16, which is a MUCH larger and thicker notebook, so I do not think your reasoning is entirely fair here.
Physics is still something you can not simply ignore.
@@NotebookcheckReviews as much as your response sounds fair, the thickness level between the strix and the flow series are not that great that it should be a deciding factor or an excuse to make asus deny the flow series an end GPU, the thickness difference is almost irrelevant, if that's the case, we don't mind a lil chunkier flow, not like the flow x16 is any slimmer compared to the lenovo yoga pro 9i to begin with with the same rtx4070 GPU, and the flow x16 has a better thermal solution, making it a a few mm thick wouldn't be a problem to most consumers as long as we're getting better value for the money, the flow x16 remains the most aesthetically pleasing, and ambitious laptop in the asus line up, giving it a 175w rtx4090 GPU will only only make the strix scar series mediocre at their asking prices, keep up the great videos coming by the way, wondering if you'd do a video of any other company that has a miniLED display laptop with a single/multi dimming switch feature, other than asus, thank you👍🏾
I wish I had the money for this or at least a giveaway I could join :(
why its 1000 euro cheaper for americans?
Americans pay in $, europeans in Euro ...
1 Euro = 1.09 US Dollar@@NotebookcheckReviews
You can not simply do a conversion. Manufacturers set their proces corresponding to the marketing, and there is a lot more going on (taxes, customs, etc.)
So yeah, some stuff seems to be much more expensive in Europe if you compare it.
Just be aware tho that US prices are without sales tax, while in Germany, for example, it is always with tax.
meh :\ 🫤
Dont like the X16?
Expensive
3299 Euro to 2500 Usd
While 1 euro is expensive than 1 usd🥲 WHY?