This is more a writers problem, I think the original quote still holds up in every regard. Ben was telling Peter this lesson because he has genuinely special gifts that can help the world. We saw how Peter originally used these powers for nothing more than fame, before hearing those words from Ben. Peter does hold a responsibility to use these powers to help others, as we can see there are threats that no one else can stop, like the rhino or electro. Take the example from spectacular Spider-Man lizard episode. This is a moment where Spider-Man does hurt Peter’s personal life, costing him something he truly cares about. But as Peter is contemplating giving up his powers, he remembers that Dr Connor’s son still has a dad, and that no one else could have saved him. That’s what Spider-Man does, yes it is a nice escape for Peter to express himself, but Spider-Man stands for way more than that. He inspires the people of New York, he provides comfort to those who are scared, he shows how even against the greatest odds, in the worst situation, he always gets back up. Peter may not have chosen to be this great hero if it weren’t for Ben’s famous words, he might not have saved thousands of innocent lives. The main problem arises from the fact that the writers are constantly beating down Spider-Man. We see how Peter has many struggles in life, which is relatable to the everyday person. But the problem is, writers don’t seem to understand that Peter should also have his wins, show that when he overcomes the struggles in his life he exits stronger than before, yet many writers beat him down over and over and over again, which makes the quote lose its meaning. Spider-Man is supposed to be someone relatable to look towards, someone to reflect the readers own struggles in life, yet if the reader sees that Peter just ends up worse no matter what, that makes their own struggles feel so much more hopeless. The quote shouldn’t be a cause of destruction in Peter’s life, it should be a reason he lives it. Despite all, 61 years later, he still puts on the mask to make a better difference in the world, not just as an escape, but to help those who can’t help themselves. But he doesn’t always help someone by saving them from mortal danger. Sometimes it’s as little as walking someone home, helping fix a science project, playing basketball with someone, or just listening. But the thing is, those gifts aren’t exclusive to Spider-Man, anybody can simply help another human being out. Maybe someone else is in a dark place, maybe someone else is being beaten down again and again in life, just like Spider-Man. But just like Spider-Man, you should help them, even if it’s just listening. The quote “with great power comes great responsibility” should be words that everyone lives by, they should represent a moral obligation to help everyone, because in the real world there is no Spider-Man, but there can still be heroes who represent his morals.
@tortoisetownn more stories must emphasize this as well. So many poeple share are adjacent to the spiderman mantle. Going as far back as spiderwoman, the clone saga, Anya, to the modern tines with Miles and spiderboy. Peter should be more well connected able to share his burden through a strong community and connections. But writers seem to only be fans of that when spiderverse cones up. This isn't to say the characters I mentioned shouldn't have their own comics, but Peter abd the world should reference how spiderman has gone beyond just being 1 person and instead a symbol. You'd think with popularity rivaling batman, this would've been done.
*The quote “with great power comes great responsibility” should be words that everyone lives by, they should represent a moral obligation to help everyone, because in the real world there is no Spider-Man, but there can still be heroes who represent his morals.* Bolded for emphasis
Peter Parker has every reason to say "fuck everything. I Quit," but even when he tries to he can't let himself give up on that life. It's often times not even past guilt that drives him back, it's that despite everything that's wrong in his life. He just cannot give up. It's like his body moves on it's own. That is what makes him such a great hero. Despite all the misery, he gets up and moves anyways. Even if the only thing he has to come home to are bills past due, and a sink full of dirty dishes.
Craziest part is still that BEN NEVER SAID THE LINE! In the original comic continuity, it's a lesson that Peter comes to for himself by his own actions, it's a self imposed doctrine for how he thinks HE should use his powers. I don't think that started being a thing till the 90's animated series
9:23 I wouldn’t say Peter is an asshole. But he’s a human , he’s not perfect, he can fuck up, and he’s not always nice. But the point with him is that he’s trying to be a good person.
He was expressly created to be an asshole. That's what makes him such a great hero, he is asshole who tries to be a good person. Over and over and over again.
As someone who does what he does out of guilt over something and takes bullying and assault full on without fighting back, It’s stuff like this as to why I love Spider-Man
You dont have to take bullying my friend it'll do nothing but give those who are bullying you a greater sense of power and it'll make them contiune. If you can learn self defense and if you don't like fighting thats fine just learn grappling or blocking tequnuies. I used to get bullied a few years ago and i didn’t want to get in trouble trying to fight back until after years in elementary, to middle school, all the way to my sophomore year of highschool i blacked out and almost put someone in the hospital if my friends weren't there to stop me. The point it that it builds up and can lead to something worse. The self control is good, but don't let your kindness be mistaken as weakness to others and yourself. But regardless much love to you and i hope you overcome those who mess with you.
Honestly I wouldn't say it's Ben's fault. In the original comics it was Peter or the author that said the line not Uncle Ben. People say if he didn't get his powers, his life would be better but would it? He would still be weak, living in a world full of danger be it in w universe where only Spider-Man should be or the univereses where the great Marvel heroes reside. He would still have to deal with super villains and regular crimes or the great villians like Red skull, Dr. Doom and Magneto. Heck this isn't even counting the greater cosmic threats like Galactus or Thanos. We have seen in universes like Spider-Gwen, the universe where Flash became Spider-Man and definitely the Marvel Ruin's universe where he doesn't make it or just suffers. I would say some of his life got better because of Spider-Man because he the power to protect people, connected with other heroes that allowed him to get a support group that while not consistent, helped him get through the tough times. He also inspires other heroes and the new generation of heroes.
They're saying that Peter would've taken his intelligence somewhere, without being spider-man he has no worries living a double life and as a result he should be able to have it easier with college and academics. Then use his iq to help make inventions under either Stark, Reed, or Oscorp financing him and his research. There's a universe where Peter got shot instead of Ben and that changed his classmates' perception of him. Now they saw him as a brave kid willing to take a bullet for someone instead of a weak and fearful wallflower. Then he finishes highschool, college, and works as a scientist and helps Cindy Moon/Silk by giving her tech and becoming her guy behind the chair. Then there's the new ultimate universe, where he ends up with Mary Jane, has a healthy relationship with her, has two kids, and a pretty good life albeit somewhat unsatisfactory because of how mundane it is, yet it's MILES better than what he has in the main continuity. There's also the og Flash Thompson Spider-Man where he uses an exo-suit provided by Dr. Octavius to fight and beat Flash. Having to juggle two lives, prioritizing one life over another which destroys his civilian life and often leaves him beaten to death and making lifelong enemies that torture him and his loved ones, I just don't believe it's worth it. Peter only believes it's worth it because of Ben's burden on him to be more responsible, it's always about how it's his obligation to save people because he has the power to do it, not because it was him that caused the problem to start to begin with like what happened with Ben. If he had no powers, while he would likely be collateral in a big fight or just so happened to be there in a street level supervillain's showdown, that's just a given thing considering it's the Marvel universe, but Peter himself would have NO ONE personally looking to hurt him or his loved ones. Nobody would be out there actively making him suffer except for idk, Flash Thompson. And that's a good thing.
@@thomasdeen2099 That universe where Peter took the bullet for Ben and helped Cindy out as Silk was actually 616 Peter when he was erased from the web of life in End of Spider-Verse.
The new ultimate spiderman, peter didnt become spiderman cause an alternate reed richards stopped it from happening. Hes married to mj and has 2 kids. Also ben didnt die. Being spiderman literally tied to him living a sucky life as peter parker
if Peter never became Spider-Man, he'd be a genius multibillionaire we've seen it. he's one of the most intelligent people in the universe. he'd still work with guys like Reed Richards and Tony Stark.
I see spider-man as a metaphor for growing up. Peter was 15 when he firts became spider-man and he was bitter and resentful against the world. Spider-man is Peter learning to become a better person and a growing up to be a good man, however his guilt leads him to obsess over that. If something goes wrong its his fault, if someone dies its on him, etc. He couldnt catch a break because he wouldnt allow himself to do so, just like growing up can be tough and full of hardships. But another aspect to his character is his supporting cast, people that allow Peter to forgive himself, to forgive spider-man.
I actually think Spider-Man is the best thing to happen to Peter and I really love when it’s written that way. Like Peter was kinda an antisocial jerk in the Lee comics, Spider-Man made him learn and evolve his character. Also I love when it’s written to show how the good he does as Peter and Spider-Man and how that fulfills his soul. Like when he’s a teacher and he can help his students as Peter and as Spider-Man and how that makes him happy.
I really did enjoy JMS making wore a teacher. Showed how much Peter is part of the neighborhood, and how he can use his awareness of how hard high schoolers can have it to help in ways spidey can’t. Plus he provided a good role model for science students whose intelligence won’t be admired by the school, just like he was. It isn’t the mask, it’s the man/woman underneath. And then one more day/civil war happened…
I think that yes Ben's words were something Peter took a different meaning to than Ben himself meant, mainly because Peter knew he had even greater powers than just his intelligence. However it's that information that lends itself to the different paths Peter could have taken. Peter not stopping the robber that lead to Uncle Ben dying is what in his mind was the kind of thing he should have used his powers to prevent, by simply doing the right thing even if he had nothing to gain, just so it made sure nobody could end up losing someone they cared about like he did. Ben's words were not meant to tell Peter he had to be a hero or stop crime, it was Ben saying Peter was gifted and he could do a lot of good but what Ben knew about Peter's gifts and what Peter thought were always going to be different. As a kid, he knows with powers he could be a hero and save people directly in situations that non powered people couldn't. If Peter never had superpowers there's a good chance he would have grown up to have a similar job as Barry Allen, using his intelligence to make sure dangerous criminals couldn't get away with commiting crimes and putting people in danger.
15:46 Yes. That is a much better point. It's not what Ben said, but Peter's guilt and self-loathing that he can't get rid of that causes him so much pain. Tldr: Peter needs therapy. And people who will actually love him. Unlike current MJ.
Funny thing is Uncle Ben never actually said "With great power comes great responsibility." during Spidey's first couple comic issues it was Peter who came up with that line it was Peter who said "with great power comes great responsibility." Uncle Ben never said that originally. Peter came up with that line on his own. In the original story Ben only said like 2 lines ever. It wasn't until 1972 were Ron Dante included it in his album (Spider-Man: a Rockomic). And later stories made it so Uncle Ben said it. Uncle Ben originally never said those words and that was never planned. Originally it was Peter Parker who said it himself. It wasn't Peter misunderstanding uncle Ben it was Peter looking at his past and coming up with that idea on his own. (till later comic stories and other things were they got uncle ben to say it first.)
Amazing Fantasy 15 had “with great power comes great responsible” as a caption after Peter realized he is responsible for Uncle Ben’s death and walks home all sad. The line was always there for Spider-Man. The 2002 movie popularized Uncle Ben being the one to say the line.
@@petermj1098the quote coming from Uncle Ben was a thing way before the 2002 movie. In the original issue it was the narrator but became something Ben would say a couple years later, which isn’t uncommon in superhero comics. Batman used to kill during his first year or two of publication, Superman couldn’t fly, and captain America was kinda racist towards the Japanese. So The quote coming from Ben isn’t even a huge retcon and it’s been that way more like 95% of Spider-Man’s history
One thing I like and found interesting about the new Ultimate Spider-Man comics that came out this year is that Uncle Ben doesn't tell Peter the line about responsibility, but it's told by his friend Harry. Since they are both currently heroes in this universe, I see this specific version of Peter feeling pressured by Harry instead of Ben to carry that responsibility and pressure which may affect him further down the run in later issues
In Marvel's Spider Man 2, there was a dialogue between Peter and May about balance. And that is what Peter is missing. Balance between him and Spider Man. Honestly, in my opinion, that's what he needs to be perfect hero. He can think about saving "people" constantly because Ben's death, his guilt, his responsibility that was took to the extreme level by him. But those "people" include him too. He needs to understand that by constantly putting a lot of pressure on his life he won't save everybody. He will burn out. He needs to balance his responsibilities of Peter and Spider.
I get the premise, but I'm reminded of when The One Above All showed Peter all the lives he saved being Spider-Man and dude covered a stupid number of people. Heck, even one would probably make Peter's day. I do think/wish there was some way for work/life balance or even a government fund to help compensate street level heroes for their service to help Peter slightly or just let Peter use his big brain to patent some basic inventions and get some additional income passively. Using his intelligence to help the world and line his pockets honestly.
Loner Spider-Man only works when he’s in high school/early college years. as Peter got older he was more open to work with other heroes and join teams like the Avengers. Heck some of his best relationships and wholsem moments are when he’s with other heroes. Like when he had a hotdog with Loki or that one time where he had a heart to heart moment with Medusa where he talked about Gwen etc
This reminds me of when Harry Potter explodes in anger and frustration when speaking to Ron and Hermione venting about the times he risked his life to be a wizarding hero.
I agree that him not having wins as loses is bad, i hate that idea that he has to constantly lose because of the writers thinks he needs to, Thats why i hate the more recent runs, he suffers so much for no reason but just because the writers want him to, its so bad that the only times peter gets to actually be himself or get actual wins so in other books or alternate universe, but the main peter can never have that because marvel sees him as a punching bag of money, i hate that happens to him, and it's why i detested the zeb wells run, even if i never read it, just hearing about it makes my blood boil.
It's so bad for him, I honestly think marvel shouldn't have him, because they seem to absolutely despises him if it's the main peter because he always seems to get the worst writers that understand nothing about the character, it's so bad I at times would have rather some other company like image have him, they'll at least give him a break and a good run, compared to marvel who never seems to have any good intentions but milking hime en if it hurts him, it's so bad I barely collect any modern issues because it's going to be a terrible time for peter, and I won't have any issues that derail him, and they still think having act as a teenager is a good idea, even tho spider-verse have proven twice that even a grown-up peter could still be relatable and a great character, and they do a better job for him than marvel has ever done in 20 years, and that's saying smth because it's from Sony.
Honestly, what I want is a story just like the first comic… where Ben never spoke those fucking words. They were from the narrator, but it later got adapted to be Ben’s words of wisdom shared with Peter before he died, rather than something he learned for himself entirely No, Ben doesn’t need to be some Snyderverse Pa Kent who tells Peter to keep his head down or mind his business, but he can just be a guy. Not a great guy, not some upstanding citizen, but just an everyday guy who did his best for his wife and nephew, practically his own son at that point, and who only ever lead by example over words, with Peter himself choosing the words himself to culminate all that he’d learned from Ben, and his own life up until that point, after his untimely demise
I think a big part of the problem is that no one ever sat Peter down and ask him what that phrase "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" means to him as an individual and helped to read things differently with a shift in perspective or change of angle.
It’s so weird how Peter has so many instances where he has to face a threat by himself despite the fact that half of Marvels roster operates in New York City.
Peter really needs to hear the "You are worth more than what you can give to other people. You deserve love too" speech from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power because holy hell does this boy not know what self care is
I do see how Spider Man can be a burden on Peter's life but I don't think it's an addiction but a part of who he is because Peter has a good heart that wants to help people and Spider Man is a positive outlet to do that, it's true that he misses on opportunities as Peter Parker but he also saves hundreds more as Spiderman which goes on to inspire others which is something many heroes and even the One Above All told him which comes down to his altruism that keeps him going as Spiderman because of the impact it has on his neighborhood and if he was gone then things might turn out worse. It is true Peter lives with guilt but I think he is deciding that because he has power that can make a difference, he should use that power to help others even if it means his life becomes unraveled at times and I also think there is a balance to this because he is a genius that has a strong understanding of science which can lead him to working for a big company or creating things that can help the world.
To be a hero is a burden that needs maturity and intelligence to make, no matter the intentions Peter isn’t mature enough no has the right level of intelligence (life experience) to make
His life should be hard but not just suffering. There's a lot that can be done with characters who suffer (Go watch Beserk) and they still develop and grow regardless. Spider-Man is someone who is beaten down by the normal day things, he's not cursed, even though he feels that way at times. Peter could give up and let other people do his job but that's just not the kind of person he is. It's not that Peter is trapped and suffering, it's that Peter wants to help people which means he carries the responsibility of the decisions of what he does.
@@seeleunit2000yeah the same because the Zeb Well’s run just shows how outdated Peter Parker way is, because I really think about the Batman caped crusader series where try to subvert expectations
You exactly hit the mark I also feel that after reading comics and specially current comics Peter Parker is getting addicted to Spider-man. He purposely tskes shit as Peter Parker thinking he can let loose as Spider-man.😢😢
Your video reminded me of Linakra’s review of One More Day. In that video, Linkara gave a nice monologue on how Peter’s life is in the exact never ending cycle of loss, because the WRITERS can’t ever make Peter grow up. Peter is now an adult who should be able to balance his life and make smart decisions instead of saying/doing dumb things, like the time he admitted in a JMS comic arc titled “the other” that he DIDNT have life insurance in case he died. Which is absolutely insane! Peter should be able to actually make a rich career as a scientist, he and Mary Jane should be starting a family, he shouldn’t be constantly worried about”did I make rent” like he was newly college graduate. It’s not that we want Peter to get everything he wants, but it’s that we want to see Peter grow up. His whole guilt over uncle Ben? Thst feeling that constantly enables him to never grow up, to never leave this evening journey of failure? That actually was criticized by Jd Dematteis where JD thought “you know Peter is an adult, he should stop feeling guilt. But why dosnt he.” JD then decided “what if Peter’s feelings of shame and fear are more in line with his subconscious thoughts that HE caused his parents to die, and then everyone else who died in his life was his fault? It was Pete’s way to trying to understand his world that crumbled at such a young age. At the end of this story, spidey comes to terms with this long held belief and decides that he will mourn his loved ones properly. This never got picked up again, but it was a great way to finally make Peter go past his self imposed punishment.
There's plenty of adults in the real world who are just like Peter in the comics, just without the powers. Not everyone "grows up" the way you seem to think they do.
@@Americanbadashh I don’t mean they can’t act like Peter does in his quips, funny puns, and easy going nature. What I mean so for Peter to MAKE adult decisions. But Marvel can’t ever let Parker be an adult, he must make decisions only an immature teen would do. Let’s go back to the storyline I mentioned, the other. Peter specifically states in the comic he has never prepared for his death, never prepared for what would happen to aunt May and Mary Jane. He never gave serious thought to this possibility. THIS IS JAW DROPPING. Peter at that point was married, was in his twenty’s or thirty’s, had seen loved ones die sometimes because of their connection to him, lives in a world where clones/alternate versions exist, and at one point was TECHNICALLY dead. In kravens last hunt, Peter was captured and drugged up by a deranged Kraven for weeks. Kraven then impersonated Spider-Man. Mary Jane thought he was dead. The city believed Spider-Man was a murderer. You’d think Peter, being a brilliant guy, would think “what if Kraven did kill me? He could have if he truly wanted. How can I prepare for something that is possible? Mary Jane was terrified and helpless at the whole debacle.” Prior to dock ock’s control over his body, it was the first time Spider-Man was so close to death in a way that truly made it seem he actually died. When Peter was first stunned by Kraven, he thought it was the same Kraven he fought for years-a comic villain form the 60s. He actually thought Kraven would just bring him back to the latest lair for his scheme. Then..Kraven didn’t talks..and this time..he brought a gun..and he’s staring right at Peter. “Wait why does he have a gun..of no..come one Kraven using a gun hasn’t been your stYLE!” BANG!
This is why I idolise writers like Chip Zsardesky and Dan Slott, cause they know how to balance that kind of stuff. Admittedly, Slott made some interesting choices but it was always something new that wasn’t depressing. And Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows is incredible. And Chip himself said he would rather write the side books that get cancelled every year cause he has more freedom with those so he can write positive stories.
15:36 Peter didn’t twist uncle Ben’s words but he took the words to the extreme (sorry if it seems like I’m just arguing semantics with what you say) in a way that that can only happen when a kid and eventually man is trying to live by such lofty ideals with superpowers. Though this isn’t to say his guilt doesn’t dip into his action as Spider-Man but his first true taste in learning about great power and great responsibility coming at the cost of Ben’s life was a kick in the ass that never stopped stinging. And is constantly reminded of whenever he wants to stop being spiderman.
Another banger vid, also thank you for putting me on to Avengers: EMH, absolute cinema, didn’t think I could love the character more than I already did
9:25 Peter has never been just "an asshole" even when he had the symbiote in the comics. He has a snarky sense of humor which gets on people's nerves, but most of the reason he didn't team up in the early years is that a bunch of people didn't know he was actually a hero thanks to JJJ. And he has been okay working with other heroes for longer than he wasn't at this point.
Honestly, it wasn't Uncle Ben who told Peter to make the deal with Mephisto(it was marvel editorial). Could Peter have broken out of his shell during college without becoming spiderman, possibly. Can't really say they being spiderman has ruined either of his relationships with Felicia and MJ. Spiderman was 15 years old in amazing fantasy. Felicia learns to accept the Peter Parker side of Spiderman and MJ accepts both sides of Peter. I don't think the whole issue is being Spiderman makes Peter's life hell, part of it is also being Spiderman hasn't allowed Peter to grow up and even regress(that's more down to the writers refusing to let Peter grow up and have a family, etc). And as for the Zebb Wells run(a combo of marvel editorial's mind set of keeping Peter young(when the dude is almost 30 in the comics has gone to college more times than the average person) and "relatable" plus Zebb Wells obviously letting his wife leaving him bleed into the comics like Joe Quesada did back in 2007).
Spider-Man is at his best when being a hero isn't about him. Even though his powers don't make him any less human, for Peter, there's no sacrifice that isn't worth it as long as he can keep saving lives and inspiring people. That's essentially his life's purpose until it brings about his downfall.
From the comics the reason why Peter is so hated and distrusted is because he was constantly asking if the other heroes were paid gigs. When he originally got his power he became a showmen. He didn’t stop the mugger not because the host didn’t pay him but because he thought it was beneath him. Over time these themes have been changed in his continuity. He becomes a better man after Ben’s death because he views it as his own fault.
Honestly with Pete it’s more like alcohol good rush, but bad hangover most he’s a functional alcoholic that gets blackout drunk sometimes with the black suit, meanwhile ultimate is the dad who comes home after work spends time with his kids and wife, goes to the bar after his kids go to sleep then comes home, he’s better with moderation where he’s getting his buzz but it’s not his main focus, I’d love an issue where it’s cap and wolverine or daredevil and punisher talking to him about being a hero and living his life like how you would with learning to slow down on the bottle before something goes wrong
I’ve been saying for the longest that zeb wells’ Spider-Man run is what happens when you take a Spidey comic, where Peter is down on his luck and picks himself back up, but removing the part where he actually gets up after being knocked down again and again. I feel like you put that into words a lot better than I could, and it explains why the wells run feels like some kind of parody. This cynical writing style has kinda dominated a lot of my favorite franchises, and it sucks to see whenever it happens. But I think moments like this, are why I heavily appreciate other adaptations or side books that actually respect the characters, and aren’t tied down by the editorial’s unhinged mandates.
But of course he didn't mean fighting to save the whole City He didn't know peter was spider man Peter just knows ben wouldve said something similar if he did know Plus let's say he did interpreted In the literal manner, he'd use his powers to get what he needed to get those responsibilities done Stealing for money for example My interpretation at least
Ben told peter to use his great power responsible. He never said to throw his life away, not spend his time with his wife, friends or other loved ones, nor to be miserable because of said power. I think its Peter over-compensating because of his guilt. We know Ben is proud of him, he emphasizes this point often. Like in ASM500 or in the final episode of Spider-man TAS.
i feel like spider-man is like batman. life is telling peter to not be good in the world; there will only be tragedies - if you keep on trying to do good. the problem is that peter doesn't care what the world is saying because he will be doing good no matter the cost. Peter says to life, "No, you can't break me; even if you do, I will keep on coming back because someone, anyone, needs my help." literally JJJ is calling spider-man is horrible to society, and peter's like nope idc. as much as spider-man fans want him to be like superman, i think of him as batman. both men are defiant to the world around saying stop trying to be good; that being gotham city and peter's life. for Bruce, he says to the city, "No, you can't break me; even if you do, I will keep on coming back because my city needs saving." side point, that's why i have an issue with fans saying gotham shouldn't be a hellhole because being so is meaningless to batman's mission. i'm like that's the point of batman stories tho; it's to be defiant against a city that is saying be bad.
I feel like elaborating on a few things you said. Mainly that this is a writer issue and not a “Spider-Man is destined for a life of misery” issue. The meta reason Gwen Stacy died was because the writers didn’t want Peter to get married and have kids because that would age the character too much. It also helped root the character in tragedy. Similar to Batman and other members of the Bat family like Batwoman not being able to get married. And if it’s to the point that the writers keep punishing the character, meaning the comic book universe itself keeps punishing the character, it’s a moot point to argue whether or not their crusade was right, if they create their own enemies, or if Peter misunderstood Uncle Ben’s advice. Also the lesson Peter learned was that when he let a burglar go because it didn’t seem to impact him, that burglar later killed his uncle, so he should step up as Spider-Man and stop bad people when he can even if he isn’t personally impacted because the people he stops today might hurt someone else tomorrow. It wasn’t simply “I have powers so I might as well suit up and fight all crime.” That’s more Wally West. So yes Peter’s life sucks, but he’s in a cartoonishly evil world where no one else will step up and help people (technically yes there are other people who could help, but because of the trope Superman Stays Out of Gotham, they don’t help those same people Spider-Man will help). So yes Peter’s life gets better in Spider-Man 2, but is it worth it when he ignores someone getting beaten up, a child trapped in a burning building, or Doctor Octopus’ experiment that might destroy the city? When a writer tries to make a point to write a story pointing out that being a hero makes the hero’s life suck, I tend to think it’s a problem with the writer not being able to handle the character when he isn’t at rock bottom or deviating from the status quo. Like if Spider-Man finally got married, acknowledged that Jameson’s harsh critique makes him extra careful if only to prove Jameson wrong, and Peter can get a job where he isn’t rich and famous like Bruce Wayne but a middle-class forgettable face in New York. Similar to the old newspaper comic.
Also, I find it weird that the writers love to make hero stories a torture porn for the hero, even though it’s supposed to inspire people. If being a good person will give me a perpetual misery, maybe it’s better to become the villain who can enjoy life instead.
This is what I have been saying for years. Seriously, at this point Spiderman is like a less wealthy version of Batman. Honestly, I would like to see a comic where Parker gets some therapy so this aspect is addressed, though it will probably get retconned.
2:34 Ngl I wouldn’t count that voice message as a “Great Responsibility” quote variation, just a heartfelt voice message. The actual great responsibility quote in those movies was uh.. Pretty bad. But if they hadn’t put that in, and this message was it’s variant, it would’ve been was a very good one lol
Uncle Ben after Spider-Man dies and goes to heaven: oh wow, I didn’t know you’d take ‘great responsibility’ so literally! I didn’t mean you had to neglect your personal life for the entire city…
Yeah because I really that Peter should have turned in Norman Osborn in the Raimi movie because a hero is a unlicensed public servant and can’t put his personal feelings before others
I'm getting in late on this conversation, but it's been obvious to me that Peter's life is full of self-hatred and self-abuse because that's the life his writers are living. They are required to put Peter through pain because that's what the fans and the Marvel executives, from Stan Lee on, have demanded. They have to meet the soap opera demands to make Peter suffer. Hope denied is who Peter Parker is, and after this election, hope has been denied to every American and our world in general. So get used to unhappy endings in your own lives, because that's what life is. As the critic Tony Goldmark said about Disney World, "Happiness is an illusion. At best it's a momentary distraction. It's never been a default setting."
I feel what you're ultimately saying here and I'm so with you on that. But I think it doesn't make sense to pin everything bad on what Ben said. The power to even be Spider-Man was always going to be a burden, Ben just gave Peter a direction to find moral peace within his own battered conscience amidst the chaos of recalibrating his life to accommodate his powers. The world in which Spider-Man exists is a harsh world, and yeah some less optimistic writers will embellish that to the point it loses any fun. Even so, I still don't think you can blame Ben's words for the choices Peter makes. The guilt that drives Peter didn't come from Ben's words, it came from his own inaction. Peter knew he made the wrong choice and it cost him everything, and his powers give him the ability to fight that on behalf of those who can't. Yes, his own relationships matter, but now he understands he has the potential to intervene where no one else can in the same harsh realities that took one of his loved ones. Being a kid just means he was wise beyond his years and maybe also a little naive, but I honestly can't say at 15 I wouldn't have done exactly what he did if given the power. I would have made that choice, I would have chosen to be a hero and I'd have been proud of it. Now as an adult, I don't know if I would make that choice... at twice that age I'm personally a little jaded. I think that's a very idealistic 15 year old kid choice to make. It's a constant choice that can be rough on him, but Peter makes that choice based on his own experience, not because he's under the spell of some misinterpreted notion. Give the guy a little more credit, he's a pretty intelligent character. He can fall to the level of using Spider-Man as an addictive unhealthy coping mechanism at times, but I don't think that's ever really the baseline of who Spider-Man is. I think Peter would simply rather give safety to a random person than cling to his own comfort in the name of his own personal stability. I think he has more faith in his relationships than this perspective gives him credit for. That's really what Raimi's SM2 was about: is he still willing to make the choice if it might cost him another loved one? Can he trust MJ to understand that choice and still stay associated with him, or will she prioritize her personal hangups with Peter over the safety of an entire city and cut him out? Peter has to learn to give her the choice herself and have faith she can understand the value of that choice. Hardship is part of life, it comes in one form or another, for Spider-Man the stakes are high. And almost as if in conversation with Raimi's SM2, that's what Webb's TASM2 was about, the fact that the choice doesn't save you one way or the other, but the choice still means everything. Gwen chose to stay with Peter and paid her life to save a bunch of random people and that's why her loss was so impactful, because she made the same choice as Peter makes when he chooses to be Spider-Man, and Peter realizes she wouldn't have had it any other way, as scary as it is to face your potential and inevitable doom and as much as you still want to survive it and live, she still made the same choice as Peter, and now Peter understands he's the one who can keep making that choice. He succumbed to the guilt of even associating with her until he realized he loved her for her understanding and support of that choice and couldn't bear to give up on that aspect of himself because she loved that in him. He is inspired to save the kid that reminds him of his younger self no matter the risk. Sacrifice isn't always about living a terrible life or dying so others can live, but more about living your life in a way that does the most good possible no matter how hard it is. That's not a terrible life, no matter how many bad things happen or how many times you draw the short end of the stick... at least in my opinion. Throughout life, on the other end of safety and happiness, everyone hurts and everyone dies. What you do with that is up to you, and I feel like that's what Spider-Man is all about, in every incarnation. We all want Pete to have a good life, and sometimes he does. But his suffering isn't just about making him relatable, it's about showing how suffering doesn't have to be the last word on our lives and we can do something great with it. That's the great responsibility we all have in common, Spider-Man powers or not.
I feel a compromise to the dillema of if uncle ben tells peter W/GP=GR or if Peter concludes it himself can be comprimised. Uncle Ben tells Peter that with great power there must also come great responsibility, however peter restates it, adding onto the fact that with great responsibility comes great suffering. However, he has to push through it no matter what. Because new york needs him.
Im ngl if you look at the sum total of peters life I think its good. Everyone go through hard ship and relationships arent perfect. I think he has an amazing support system and he always finds a way to support himself (and the people he cares about if need be)
I think a lot of people misunderstand the life of Peter Parker. Sure it's hard but it doesn't "suck". He can stop at any time, use his powers and intellect to get rich and have an easy life but he dose not. He CHOSES to use those powers so what happened to his uncle dose not happen to others. He evolved past just doing it because of guilt or some speech. He enjoys helping or saving people even if it makes his life hard at times. He knows he could have an easy life but he is not interested in the easy choice.
In the comics: His girlfriend Gwen Stacy hated Spider-Man in the comics because George Stacy died from collateral damage in one of his fights, Gwen Stacy got killed because of the Norman Osborn/Green Goblin, Harry becomes another Green Goblin and dies doing so, and of course Peter’s own boss always tries to cancel and make Spider-Man look like a criminal all the time in the media. Peter learns sometimes he is gonna love Spider-Man and sometimes he is gonna hate being Spider-Man. Yes being a superhero sucks for him at times but it is still the right thing and responsible thing for him to be Spider-Man.
@@petermj1098and that all happened in Amazing Spider-Man vol 1 issue 40 where he should never cover up Norman’s crimes because look where that got him, it’s like the guy who could have stopped World War 2 by letting Hitler live and if it was any other hero who put Norman in jail it would be the same argument that they were saving people as Harry would no doubt be petty Eddie Brock who pray to God to have someone killed because of all his misfortune that he could never except?
Hey I would love to see your thoughts on the original ultimate Spider-Man comic run. You mention the fact that Peter was 16 but that version of Peter was even younger at 15 and he encapsulated everything about that part of Peter that wanted to make up for his mistake in uncle Ben’s death. Even up to the end of his story he dealt with a lot of crap but if the would’ve continued into his adult years he I think would’ve ended in a spot similar to the 90’s spider-man happy with who he was.
No version of Spider-Man truly encapsulates the mentality of a young Peter Parker suffering from the wound of uncle Ben’s death quite like of ultimate Spider-Man. Because unlike so many version of peter and the man who killed uncle Ben scene. Ultimate Peter Parker didn’t just ignore the robber the man stood in front of the robber and did a cheeky grin and everything then moved out of the way he was completely high on himself. I think Ultimate Peter Parker was hit with that lesson 10x harder at that point in time cause it was like he was flaunting the fact that he had the power. Ultimate Spider-Man issue #5 is on of the best showings of Spider-Man’s origins.
Spider-Man didn’t have his life ruined. A ruined life means a ruined soul, and because he continues to fight on despite hardships by uncle Ben’s wisdom, he will be content. This is what makes him such a good role model, and to say that he should’ve just cared for himself is to deprive him of his heart.
Yeah. Wan't Ben briught back for 5 minutes in ASM 500 by Doctor Strange and Peter told Ben about his powers and Ben basically reaffirmed his Great Power, Great Responsibilty line?
@@ComicGuy2004The last panels of Amazing Fantasy 15 had “with great power comes great responsibility” after Peter realizes he is responsible for Uncle Ben’s death.
I think your wrong. I think Peter didn’t misunderstand what Ben said it was very clear with great power comes great responsibility he has amazing spider powers so using them comes with great responsibility like putting aside what you want to do for what it is you have to do. The reason Peter Parker’s life is miserable in the comics is because of incompetent writers refuse to let him evolve fully and they refuse to let him grow up because they believe it takes away the appeal of spider man but that is also utterly false
I feel you should read the original Spider-Man no more comic storyline that Sam Raimi made Spider-Man 2 based around as I feel it’s a little disappointing that everyone attributes Sam Raimi’s film as the source when it’s actually an adaptation of a comic that handled the arc differently than Sam Raimi who only depicted Peter quitting as a positive
I’ve read the source it didn’t support my thesis so I didn’t use it. I tried making a point of using multiple interpretations because as I said at the end it’s up to the writer to give it some balance something I think the original comic did well, I should have mentioned it by name at the end. I appreciate you engaging in this discourse respectfully I enjoy hearing other perspectives. Have an awesome day brother 👊🏾
@ glad that you read it. I know that you wanted to support your thesis but I still think it was worth mentioning because people generally don’t give Stan Lee’s original runs of Spider-Man enough credit due to Sam Raimi’s adaptation basically getting all the attention and claim. Whenever people wanted to reference an original concept about Spider-Man, they go to Sam Raimi’s films instead of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko such as the great responsibility speech when in reality, Uncle Ben NEVER actually told Peter that lesson but rather it was something Peter learned on his own but they don’t account for that when they want to argue how Ben was ALWAYS this super important, Saint like figure in Spider-Man’s story when he originally was just the good man that suffered because Peter didn’t do the responsible thing and stop the robber. The same goes for the No More storyline where everyone immediately attributes it to Sam Raimi and uses the film as an argument that Peter’s life will definitively be better if he doesn’t be Spider-Man but Stan Lee made it clear that it’s not some perfect solution. In the original story, Peter quits because he succumbed to the negative press and doubts the Jameson basically represented back then, he was a means of vocalizing Peter’s doubts and insecurities, and that storyline has Peter caving in to them. But instead of what Sam Raimi did, Stan Lee wrote it where Peter EXPECTED everything to get better in his personal life only for him to realize that it’s TOO LATE as everybody’s already moved on with their lives, all the while crime rates skyrocket in Spider-Man’s absence which allows the debut of characters like the Kingpin to come in and gain power because Spider-Man was actually doing a lot of good for the city. Peter also becomes Spider-Man again not because his girl got kidnapped by a supervillain (for like the third time), but because he couldn’t stand by and let a innocent stranger get hurt anymore which reminds him of why he became Spider-Man in the first place. In general, the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko runs of Spider-Man simply just DON’T get enough appreciation these days when practically all of it goes towards the big obvious stuff like Sam Raimi’s films or the Spectacular Spider-Man show when they’re more like adaptations to the stuff Stan Lee wrote yet they basically get all the credit. It’s a real shame honestly.
@ glad that you read it. I know that you wanted to support your thesis but I still think it was worth mentioning because people generally don’t give Stan Lee’s original runs of Spider-Man enough credit due to Sam Raimi’s adaptation basically getting all the attention and claim. Whenever people wanted to reference an original concept about Spider-Man, they go to Sam Raimi’s films instead of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko such as the great responsibility speech when in reality, Uncle Ben NEVER actually told Peter that lesson but rather it was something Peter learned on his own but they don’t account for that when they want to argue how Ben was ALWAYS this super important, Saint like figure in Spider-Man’s story when he originally was just the good man that suffered because Peter didn’t do the responsible thing and stop the robber. The same goes for the No More storyline where everyone immediately attributes it to Sam Raimi and uses the film as an argument that Peter’s life will definitively be better if he doesn’t be Spider-Man but Stan Lee made it clear that it’s not some perfect solution. In the original story, Peter quits because he succumbed to the negative press and doubts the Jameson basically represented back then, he was a means of vocalizing Peter’s doubts and insecurities, and that storyline has Peter caving in to them. But instead of what Sam Raimi did, Stan Lee wrote it where Peter EXPECTED everything to get better in his personal life only for him to realize that it’s TOO LATE as everybody’s already moved on with their lives, all the while crime rates skyrocket in Spider-Man’s absence which allows the debut of characters like the Kingpin to come in and gain power because Spider-Man was actually doing a lot of good for the city. Peter also becomes Spider-Man again not because his girl got kidnapped by a supervillain (for like the third time), but because he couldn’t stand by and let a innocent stranger get hurt anymore which reminds him of why he became Spider-Man in the first place. In general, the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko runs of Spider-Man simply just DON’T get enough appreciation these days when practically all of it goes towards the big obvious stuff like Sam Raimi’s films or the Spectacular Spider-Man show when they’re more like adaptations to the stuff Stan Lee wrote yet they basically get all the credit. It’s a real shame honestly.
@@Venxousglad that you read it. I know that you wanted to support your thesis but I still think it was worth mentioning because people generally don’t give Stan Lee’s original runs of Spider-Man enough credit due to Sam Raimi’s adaptation basically getting all the attention and claim. Whenever people wanted to reference an original concept about Spider-Man, they go to Sam Raimi’s films instead of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko such as the great responsibility speech when in reality, Uncle Ben NEVER actually told Peter that lesson but rather it was something Peter learned on his own but they don’t account for that when they want to argue how Ben was ALWAYS this super important, Saint like figure in Spider-Man’s story when he originally was just the good man that suffered because Peter didn’t do the responsible thing and stop the robber. The same goes for the No More storyline where everyone immediately attributes it to Sam Raimi and uses the film as an argument that Peter’s life will definitively be better if he doesn’t be Spider-Man but Stan Lee made it clear that it’s not some perfect solution. In the original story, Peter quits because he succumbed to the negative press and doubts the Jameson basically represented back then, he was a means of vocalizing Peter’s doubts and insecurities, and that storyline has Peter caving in to them. But instead of what Sam Raimi did, Stan Lee wrote it where Peter EXPECTED everything to get better in his personal life only for him to realize that it’s TOO LATE as everybody’s already moved on with their lives, all the while crime rates skyrocket in Spider-Man’s absence which allows the debut of characters like the Kingpin to come in and gain power because Spider-Man was actually doing a lot of good for the city. Peter also becomes Spider-Man again not because his girl got kidnapped by a supervillain (for like the third time), but because he couldn’t stand by and let a innocent stranger get hurt anymore which reminds him of why he became Spider-Man in the first place. In general, the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko runs of Spider-Man simply just DON’T get enough appreciation these days when practically all of it goes towards the big obvious stuff like Sam Raimi’s films or the Spectacular Spider-Man show when they’re more like adaptations to the stuff Stan Lee wrote yet they basically get all the credit. It’s a real shame honestly.
This just shows that Peter Parker’s way is outdated and we need to try new things like what does great come great responsibility really mean because this is my main criticism with the 2002 movie because he chose to cover up Norman Osborn’s crimes which that is wrong because he was killing people and superheroes are like unlicensed Public Servants that they put their own personal feelings before others and never heard of act utilitarianism because it was only one life effected if he takes Norman to jail and that is Harry over a hundred other people because he wanted to kill Peter because of a misunderstanding but I really think it was all about MJ as he was dangerously entitled to her and like after Fleck says “if that was me dying on the sidewalk, you walk right over me” now if it was any other hero who put your dad in jail it would be the same argument and that is they were just doing their jobs protect the people and he was killing people, so I suggest he should find a better father figure and wasting your life trying to impress someone that really never cared about you.
I agree with the opinion overall, but disagree with the phrasing, if that makes sense. Also feel the thumbnail, while eye catching and evocative, goes against your own point by the end.
Uh bit depressing. Kinda get annoyed with superheros, vampires, witches or whatever it may be trying to act like normal people because it makes them relatable. As for Spiderman, I think the hes young highschool or college age thing is what makes it hard on him since thats the way the world is. Him not being Spiderman is probably not changing anything considering its a world with super powers going on hes probably not even any safer. Idk I think after he ages a bit he probably could come out with who he is and even without doing that could still make money off being Spiderman but I guess the writers like him being poor and miserable so us people like that can relate more or something stupid like that.
“FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, Peter, I wasn’t even thinking about super powers when i said that”
Solid JJ REFERENCE RAAAAAAAAAAAH
@ woman
@@70Lu07 Ok, I don't know why, but YT added my original comment twice, and when I deleted the second one it erased the original.
"So I've been basing my entire life on a lie?"
Uncle Ben: Peter! You own this block?! 😂
Peter: how do you even own a block?
This is more a writers problem, I think the original quote still holds up in every regard. Ben was telling Peter this lesson because he has genuinely special gifts that can help the world. We saw how Peter originally used these powers for nothing more than fame, before hearing those words from Ben. Peter does hold a responsibility to use these powers to help others, as we can see there are threats that no one else can stop, like the rhino or electro. Take the example from spectacular Spider-Man lizard episode. This is a moment where Spider-Man does hurt Peter’s personal life, costing him something he truly cares about. But as Peter is contemplating giving up his powers, he remembers that Dr Connor’s son still has a dad, and that no one else could have saved him. That’s what Spider-Man does, yes it is a nice escape for Peter to express himself, but Spider-Man stands for way more than that. He inspires the people of New York, he provides comfort to those who are scared, he shows how even against the greatest odds, in the worst situation, he always gets back up. Peter may not have chosen to be this great hero if it weren’t for Ben’s famous words, he might not have saved thousands of innocent lives.
The main problem arises from the fact that the writers are constantly beating down Spider-Man. We see how Peter has many struggles in life, which is relatable to the everyday person. But the problem is, writers don’t seem to understand that Peter should also have his wins, show that when he overcomes the struggles in his life he exits stronger than before, yet many writers beat him down over and over and over again, which makes the quote lose its meaning. Spider-Man is supposed to be someone relatable to look towards, someone to reflect the readers own struggles in life, yet if the reader sees that Peter just ends up worse no matter what, that makes their own struggles feel so much more hopeless.
The quote shouldn’t be a cause of destruction in Peter’s life, it should be a reason he lives it. Despite all, 61 years later, he still puts on the mask to make a better difference in the world, not just as an escape, but to help those who can’t help themselves. But he doesn’t always help someone by saving them from mortal danger. Sometimes it’s as little as walking someone home, helping fix a science project, playing basketball with someone, or just listening. But the thing is, those gifts aren’t exclusive to Spider-Man, anybody can simply help another human being out. Maybe someone else is in a dark place, maybe someone else is being beaten down again and again in life, just like Spider-Man. But just like Spider-Man, you should help them, even if it’s just listening. The quote “with great power comes great responsibility” should be words that everyone lives by, they should represent a moral obligation to help everyone, because in the real world there is no Spider-Man, but there can still be heroes who represent his morals.
Spider-Man isn’t one sole person. It’s a symbol of hope.
@@tortoisetownn exactly
@tortoisetownn more stories must emphasize this as well. So many poeple share are adjacent to the spiderman mantle. Going as far back as spiderwoman, the clone saga, Anya, to the modern tines with Miles and spiderboy.
Peter should be more well connected able to share his burden through a strong community and connections. But writers seem to only be fans of that when spiderverse cones up.
This isn't to say the characters I mentioned shouldn't have their own comics, but Peter abd the world should reference how spiderman has gone beyond just being 1 person and instead a symbol.
You'd think with popularity rivaling batman, this would've been done.
*The quote “with great power comes great responsibility” should be words that everyone lives by, they should represent a moral obligation to help everyone, because in the real world there is no Spider-Man, but there can still be heroes who represent his morals.*
Bolded for emphasis
@@Americanbadashh thank you :)
"Being Spider-Man is a Sacrafice"
- Miguel O'Hara
Yeah and that doesn’t apply to Miles Morales
Peter Parker has every reason to say "fuck everything. I Quit," but even when he tries to he can't let himself give up on that life. It's often times not even past guilt that drives him back, it's that despite everything that's wrong in his life. He just cannot give up. It's like his body moves on it's own.
That is what makes him such a great hero. Despite all the misery, he gets up and moves anyways. Even if the only thing he has to come home to are bills past due, and a sink full of dirty dishes.
Uncle Ben: "Go get 'em, Pete"
Craziest part is still that BEN NEVER SAID THE LINE! In the original comic continuity, it's a lesson that Peter comes to for himself by his own actions, it's a self imposed doctrine for how he thinks HE should use his powers. I don't think that started being a thing till the 90's animated series
9:23 I wouldn’t say Peter is an asshole.
But he’s a human , he’s not perfect, he can fuck up, and he’s not always nice. But the point with him is that he’s trying to be a good person.
True
He was expressly created to be an asshole. That's what makes him such a great hero, he is asshole who tries to be a good person. Over and over and over again.
As someone who does what he does out of guilt over something and takes bullying and assault full on without fighting back,
It’s stuff like this as to why I love Spider-Man
You dont have to take bullying my friend it'll do nothing but give those who are bullying you a greater sense of power and it'll make them contiune.
If you can learn self defense and if you don't like fighting thats fine just learn grappling or blocking tequnuies. I used to get bullied a few years ago and i didn’t want to get in trouble trying to fight back until after years in elementary, to middle school, all the way to my sophomore year of highschool i blacked out and almost put someone in the hospital if my friends weren't there to stop me.
The point it that it builds up and can lead to something worse. The self control is good, but don't let your kindness be mistaken as weakness to others and yourself. But regardless much love to you and i hope you overcome those who mess with you.
Honestly I wouldn't say it's Ben's fault. In the original comics it was Peter or the author that said the line not Uncle Ben.
People say if he didn't get his powers, his life would be better but would it? He would still be weak, living in a world full of danger be it in w universe where only Spider-Man should be or the univereses where the great Marvel heroes reside. He would still have to deal with super villains and regular crimes or the great villians like Red skull, Dr. Doom and Magneto. Heck this isn't even counting the greater cosmic threats like Galactus or Thanos.
We have seen in universes like Spider-Gwen, the universe where Flash became Spider-Man and definitely the Marvel Ruin's universe where he doesn't make it or just suffers.
I would say some of his life got better because of Spider-Man because he the power to protect people, connected with other heroes that allowed him to get a support group that while not consistent, helped him get through the tough times.
He also inspires other heroes and the new generation of heroes.
They're saying that Peter would've taken his intelligence somewhere, without being spider-man he has no worries living a double life and as a result he should be able to have it easier with college and academics. Then use his iq to help make inventions under either Stark, Reed, or Oscorp financing him and his research.
There's a universe where Peter got shot instead of Ben and that changed his classmates' perception of him. Now they saw him as a brave kid willing to take a bullet for someone instead of a weak and fearful wallflower. Then he finishes highschool, college, and works as a scientist and helps Cindy Moon/Silk by giving her tech and becoming her guy behind the chair. Then there's the new ultimate universe, where he ends up with Mary Jane, has a healthy relationship with her, has two kids, and a pretty good life albeit somewhat unsatisfactory because of how mundane it is, yet it's MILES better than what he has in the main continuity. There's also the og Flash Thompson Spider-Man where he uses an exo-suit provided by Dr. Octavius to fight and beat Flash.
Having to juggle two lives, prioritizing one life over another which destroys his civilian life and often leaves him beaten to death and making lifelong enemies that torture him and his loved ones, I just don't believe it's worth it. Peter only believes it's worth it because of Ben's burden on him to be more responsible, it's always about how it's his obligation to save people because he has the power to do it, not because it was him that caused the problem to start to begin with like what happened with Ben.
If he had no powers, while he would likely be collateral in a big fight or just so happened to be there in a street level supervillain's showdown, that's just a given thing considering it's the Marvel universe, but Peter himself would have NO ONE personally looking to hurt him or his loved ones. Nobody would be out there actively making him suffer except for idk, Flash Thompson. And that's a good thing.
@@thomasdeen2099 That universe where Peter took the bullet for Ben and helped Cindy out as Silk was actually 616 Peter when he was erased from the web of life in End of Spider-Verse.
The new ultimate spiderman, peter didnt become spiderman cause an alternate reed richards stopped it from happening.
Hes married to mj and has 2 kids. Also ben didnt die. Being spiderman literally tied to him living a sucky life as peter parker
if Peter never became Spider-Man, he'd be a genius multibillionaire
we've seen it. he's one of the most intelligent people in the universe. he'd still work with guys like Reed Richards and Tony Stark.
Life isn't fair but he made some good choices
I see spider-man as a metaphor for growing up. Peter was 15 when he firts became spider-man and he was bitter and resentful against the world. Spider-man is Peter learning to become a better person and a growing up to be a good man, however his guilt leads him to obsess over that. If something goes wrong its his fault, if someone dies its on him, etc. He couldnt catch a break because he wouldnt allow himself to do so, just like growing up can be tough and full of hardships. But another aspect to his character is his supporting cast, people that allow Peter to forgive himself, to forgive spider-man.
I actually think Spider-Man is the best thing to happen to Peter and I really love when it’s written that way. Like Peter was kinda an antisocial jerk in the Lee comics, Spider-Man made him learn and evolve his character. Also I love when it’s written to show how the good he does as Peter and Spider-Man and how that fulfills his soul. Like when he’s a teacher and he can help his students as Peter and as Spider-Man and how that makes him happy.
I really did enjoy JMS making wore a teacher. Showed how much Peter is part of the neighborhood, and how he can use his awareness of how hard high schoolers can have it to help in ways spidey can’t. Plus he provided a good role model for science students whose intelligence won’t be admired by the school, just like he was. It isn’t the mask, it’s the man/woman underneath. And then one more day/civil war happened…
I think that yes Ben's words were something Peter took a different meaning to than Ben himself meant, mainly because Peter knew he had even greater powers than just his intelligence.
However it's that information that lends itself to the different paths Peter could have taken. Peter not stopping the robber that lead to Uncle Ben dying is what in his mind was the kind of thing he should have used his powers to prevent, by simply doing the right thing even if he had nothing to gain, just so it made sure nobody could end up losing someone they cared about like he did.
Ben's words were not meant to tell Peter he had to be a hero or stop crime, it was Ben saying Peter was gifted and he could do a lot of good but what Ben knew about Peter's gifts and what Peter thought were always going to be different. As a kid, he knows with powers he could be a hero and save people directly in situations that non powered people couldn't.
If Peter never had superpowers there's a good chance he would have grown up to have a similar job as Barry Allen, using his intelligence to make sure dangerous criminals couldn't get away with commiting crimes and putting people in danger.
Peter taking on a Barry Allen role sounds amazing!
15:46 Yes. That is a much better point. It's not what Ben said, but Peter's guilt and self-loathing that he can't get rid of that causes him so much pain. Tldr: Peter needs therapy. And people who will actually love him. Unlike current MJ.
Funny thing is Uncle Ben never actually said "With great power comes great responsibility." during Spidey's first couple comic issues it was Peter who came up with that line it was Peter who said "with great power comes great responsibility." Uncle Ben never said that originally. Peter came up with that line on his own. In the original story Ben only said like 2 lines ever. It wasn't until 1972 were Ron Dante included it in his album (Spider-Man: a Rockomic). And later stories made it so Uncle Ben said it.
Uncle Ben originally never said those words and that was never planned. Originally it was Peter Parker who said it himself. It wasn't Peter misunderstanding uncle Ben it was Peter looking at his past and coming up with that idea on his own. (till later comic stories and other things were they got uncle ben to say it first.)
Amazing Fantasy 15 had “with great power comes great responsible” as a caption after Peter realized he is responsible for Uncle Ben’s death and walks home all sad. The line was always there for Spider-Man.
The 2002 movie popularized Uncle Ben being the one to say the line.
@@petermj1098if we want to be real specific it is actually with great power there must also come great responsibility.
Huh, that’s right.
Never thought i would see you here man
@@petermj1098the quote coming from Uncle Ben was a thing way before the 2002 movie. In the original issue it was the narrator but became something Ben would say a couple years later, which isn’t uncommon in superhero comics. Batman used to kill during his first year or two of publication, Superman couldn’t fly, and captain America was kinda racist towards the Japanese. So The quote coming from Ben isn’t even a huge retcon and it’s been that way more like 95% of Spider-Man’s history
One thing I like and found interesting about the new Ultimate Spider-Man comics that came out this year is that Uncle Ben doesn't tell Peter the line about responsibility, but it's told by his friend Harry. Since they are both currently heroes in this universe, I see this specific version of Peter feeling pressured by Harry instead of Ben to carry that responsibility and pressure which may affect him further down the run in later issues
I’ve been loving the new ultimate universe run lately between that and Absolute DC I’ve been quite happy
1:02 i think it’s kinda unrealistic when his life is too hard, like we go through hardships in life but we don’t suffer every single day
In Marvel's Spider Man 2, there was a dialogue between Peter and May about balance. And that is what Peter is missing. Balance between him and Spider Man. Honestly, in my opinion, that's what he needs to be perfect hero. He can think about saving "people" constantly because Ben's death, his guilt, his responsibility that was took to the extreme level by him. But those "people" include him too. He needs to understand that by constantly putting a lot of pressure on his life he won't save everybody. He will burn out. He needs to balance his responsibilities of Peter and Spider.
I get the premise, but I'm reminded of when The One Above All showed Peter all the lives he saved being Spider-Man and dude covered a stupid number of people. Heck, even one would probably make Peter's day. I do think/wish there was some way for work/life balance or even a government fund to help compensate street level heroes for their service to help Peter slightly or just let Peter use his big brain to patent some basic inventions and get some additional income passively. Using his intelligence to help the world and line his pockets honestly.
Wolverine: "No matter who you are or mistakes you've made.You've got friends if you need em."
Loner Spider-Man only works when he’s in high school/early college years. as Peter got older he was more open to work with other heroes and join teams like the Avengers. Heck some of his best relationships and wholsem moments are when he’s with other heroes. Like when he had a hotdog with Loki or that one time where he had a heart to heart moment with Medusa where he talked about Gwen etc
That one moment Mr. Fantastic's son was blaming himself for the death of Johnny Storm and Peter comes to comfort him, absolute fire
@ agreed
You can’t call the dude who headlined marvel team up a loner
@@creed8712 literally
@@T3aseW1theaseyeah because this just shows that Peter Parker way is outdated
This reminds me of when Harry Potter explodes in anger and frustration when speaking to Ron and Hermione venting about the times he risked his life to be a wizarding hero.
I agree that him not having wins as loses is bad, i hate that idea that he has to constantly lose because of the writers thinks he needs to, Thats why i hate the more recent runs, he suffers so much for no reason but just because the writers want him to, its so bad that the only times peter gets to actually be himself or get actual wins so in other books or alternate universe, but the main peter can never have that because marvel sees him as a punching bag of money, i hate that happens to him, and it's why i detested the zeb wells run, even if i never read it, just hearing about it makes my blood boil.
It's so bad for him, I honestly think marvel shouldn't have him, because they seem to absolutely despises him if it's the main peter because he always seems to get the worst writers that understand nothing about the character, it's so bad I at times would have rather some other company like image have him, they'll at least give him a break and a good run, compared to marvel who never seems to have any good intentions but milking hime en if it hurts him, it's so bad I barely collect any modern issues because it's going to be a terrible time for peter, and I won't have any issues that derail him, and they still think having act as a teenager is a good idea, even tho spider-verse have proven twice that even a grown-up peter could still be relatable and a great character, and they do a better job for him than marvel has ever done in 20 years, and that's saying smth because it's from Sony.
Honestly, what I want is a story just like the first comic… where Ben never spoke those fucking words. They were from the narrator, but it later got adapted to be Ben’s words of wisdom shared with Peter before he died, rather than something he learned for himself entirely
No, Ben doesn’t need to be some Snyderverse Pa Kent who tells Peter to keep his head down or mind his business, but he can just be a guy. Not a great guy, not some upstanding citizen, but just an everyday guy who did his best for his wife and nephew, practically his own son at that point, and who only ever lead by example over words, with Peter himself choosing the words himself to culminate all that he’d learned from Ben, and his own life up until that point, after his untimely demise
yea
I think a big part of the problem is that no one ever sat Peter down and ask him what that phrase "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" means to him as an individual and helped to read things differently with a shift in perspective or change of angle.
It’s so weird how Peter has so many instances where he has to face a threat by himself despite the fact that half of Marvels roster operates in New York City.
Peter really needs to hear the "You are worth more than what you can give to other people. You deserve love too" speech from She-Ra and the Princesses of Power because holy hell does this boy not know what self care is
With great power, comes great responsibility and little reward
- the Living Tribunal
I do see how Spider Man can be a burden on Peter's life but I don't think it's an addiction but a part of who he is because Peter has a good heart that wants to help people and Spider Man is a positive outlet to do that, it's true that he misses on opportunities as Peter Parker but he also saves hundreds more as Spiderman which goes on to inspire others which is something many heroes and even the One Above All told him which comes down to his altruism that keeps him going as Spiderman because of the impact it has on his neighborhood and if he was gone then things might turn out worse.
It is true Peter lives with guilt but I think he is deciding that because he has power that can make a difference, he should use that power to help others even if it means his life becomes unraveled at times and I also think there is a balance to this because he is a genius that has a strong understanding of science which can lead him to working for a big company or creating things that can help the world.
Exactly!!
To be a hero is a burden that needs maturity and intelligence to make, no matter the intentions Peter isn’t mature enough no has the right level of intelligence (life experience) to make
His life should be hard but not just suffering. There's a lot that can be done with characters who suffer (Go watch Beserk) and they still develop and grow regardless. Spider-Man is someone who is beaten down by the normal day things, he's not cursed, even though he feels that way at times. Peter could give up and let other people do his job but that's just not the kind of person he is. It's not that Peter is trapped and suffering, it's that Peter wants to help people which means he carries the responsibility of the decisions of what he does.
Yeah, I think you're spot on.
8:36 Armored Adventures & Ultimate 2024: *OH, I DON'T THINK SO*
Peter deserves better
I have been saying that for years
@@seeleunit2000yeah the same because the Zeb Well’s run just shows how outdated Peter Parker way is, because I really think about the Batman caped crusader series where try to subvert expectations
Marvel writers: “Nope, he deserves so much much worse.”
You exactly hit the mark I also feel that after reading comics and specially current comics Peter Parker is getting addicted to Spider-man. He purposely tskes shit as Peter Parker thinking he can let loose as Spider-man.😢😢
He's always been like that. Since his early characterization, being Spidey gives him a excuse to burn off steam
You know Pete got it bad when even the god of his verse shows up and tells him “yeah I know its been rough, but stay strong”
The Skyrim music is a great touch
Your video reminded me of Linakra’s review of One More Day. In that video, Linkara gave a nice monologue on how Peter’s life is in the exact never ending cycle of loss, because the WRITERS can’t ever make Peter grow up. Peter is now an adult who should be able to balance his life and make smart decisions instead of saying/doing dumb things, like the time he admitted in a JMS comic arc titled “the other” that he DIDNT have life insurance in case he died. Which is absolutely insane!
Peter should be able to actually make a rich career as a scientist, he and Mary Jane should be starting a family, he shouldn’t be constantly worried about”did I make rent” like he was newly college graduate.
It’s not that we want Peter to get everything he wants, but it’s that we want to see Peter grow up.
His whole guilt over uncle Ben? Thst feeling that constantly enables him to never grow up, to never leave this evening journey of failure? That actually was criticized by Jd Dematteis where JD thought “you know Peter is an adult, he should stop feeling guilt. But why dosnt he.” JD then decided “what if Peter’s feelings of shame and fear are more in line with his subconscious thoughts that HE caused his parents to die, and then everyone else who died in his life was his fault? It was Pete’s way to trying to understand his world that crumbled at such a young age. At the end of this story, spidey comes to terms with this long held belief and decides that he will mourn his loved ones properly. This never got picked up again, but it was a great way to finally make Peter go past his self imposed punishment.
There's plenty of adults in the real world who are just like Peter in the comics, just without the powers. Not everyone "grows up" the way you seem to think they do.
@@Americanbadashh I don’t mean they can’t act like Peter does in his quips, funny puns, and easy going nature. What I mean so for Peter to MAKE adult decisions. But Marvel can’t ever let Parker be an adult, he must make decisions only an immature teen would do. Let’s go back to the storyline I mentioned, the other. Peter specifically states in the comic he has never prepared for his death, never prepared for what would happen to aunt May and Mary Jane. He never gave serious thought to this possibility. THIS IS JAW DROPPING. Peter at that point was married, was in his twenty’s or thirty’s, had seen loved ones die sometimes because of their connection to him, lives in a world where clones/alternate versions exist, and at one point was TECHNICALLY dead. In kravens last hunt, Peter was captured and drugged up by a deranged Kraven for weeks. Kraven then impersonated Spider-Man. Mary Jane thought he was dead. The city believed Spider-Man was a murderer. You’d think Peter, being a brilliant guy, would think “what if Kraven did kill me? He could have if he truly wanted. How can I prepare for something that is possible? Mary Jane was terrified and helpless at the whole debacle.” Prior to dock ock’s control over his body, it was the first time Spider-Man was so close to death in a way that truly made it seem he actually died. When Peter was first stunned by Kraven, he thought it was the same Kraven he fought for years-a comic villain form the 60s. He actually thought Kraven would just bring him back to the latest lair for his scheme. Then..Kraven didn’t talks..and this time..he brought a gun..and he’s staring right at Peter. “Wait why does he have a gun..of no..come one Kraven using a gun hasn’t been your stYLE!” BANG!
This is why I idolise writers like Chip Zsardesky and Dan Slott, cause they know how to balance that kind of stuff. Admittedly, Slott made some interesting choices but it was always something new that wasn’t depressing. And Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows is incredible. And Chip himself said he would rather write the side books that get cancelled every year cause he has more freedom with those so he can write positive stories.
Let Spidey be happy!
15:36 Peter didn’t twist uncle Ben’s words but he took the words to the extreme (sorry if it seems like I’m just arguing semantics with what you say) in a way that that can only happen when a kid and eventually man is trying to live by such lofty ideals with superpowers.
Though this isn’t to say his guilt doesn’t dip into his action as Spider-Man but his first true taste in learning about great power and great responsibility coming at the cost of Ben’s life was a kick in the ass that never stopped stinging. And is constantly reminded of whenever he wants to stop being spiderman.
Not semantics I wanted to encourage a dialogue on this and I’m glad my audience is engaging I enjoy reading yalls takes 😊
A villain I'm writing is basically Spider-Man if he snapped
Black Spider from DC comics then.
@@kelvinsantiago7061 More like red hood
Peter by himself is pretty intelligent and it's a shame that most people think that peter cant be a hero without being spiderman.
Another banger vid, also thank you for putting me on to Avengers: EMH, absolute cinema, didn’t think I could love the character more than I already did
Made me cry man
9:25 Peter has never been just "an asshole" even when he had the symbiote in the comics. He has a snarky sense of humor which gets on people's nerves, but most of the reason he didn't team up in the early years is that a bunch of people didn't know he was actually a hero thanks to JJJ. And he has been okay working with other heroes for longer than he wasn't at this point.
Go read Stan Lee's original Spider-Man run. Peter very much was an asshole back then
Dude Peter was a chud in early ditko era comic. He thought he was smarter than everyone else and was sort of stuck up
Honestly, it wasn't Uncle Ben who told Peter to make the deal with Mephisto(it was marvel editorial). Could Peter have broken out of his shell during college without becoming spiderman, possibly. Can't really say they being spiderman has ruined either of his relationships with Felicia and MJ. Spiderman was 15 years old in amazing fantasy. Felicia learns to accept the Peter Parker side of Spiderman and MJ accepts both sides of Peter. I don't think the whole issue is being Spiderman makes Peter's life hell, part of it is also being Spiderman hasn't allowed Peter to grow up and even regress(that's more down to the writers refusing to let Peter grow up and have a family, etc). And as for the Zebb Wells run(a combo of marvel editorial's mind set of keeping Peter young(when the dude is almost 30 in the comics has gone to college more times than the average person) and "relatable" plus Zebb Wells obviously letting his wife leaving him bleed into the comics like Joe Quesada did back in 2007).
Spider-Man is at his best when being a hero isn't about him. Even though his powers don't make him any less human, for Peter, there's no sacrifice that isn't worth it as long as he can keep saving lives and inspiring people. That's essentially his life's purpose until it brings about his downfall.
From the comics the reason why Peter is so hated and distrusted is because he was constantly asking if the other heroes were paid gigs. When he originally got his power he became a showmen. He didn’t stop the mugger not because the host didn’t pay him but because he thought it was beneath him. Over time these themes have been changed in his continuity. He becomes a better man after Ben’s death because he views it as his own fault.
I've been playing Skyrim recently, so for a while I thought I was just hallucinating the music.
Thank You
Honestly with Pete it’s more like alcohol good rush, but bad hangover most he’s a functional alcoholic that gets blackout drunk sometimes with the black suit, meanwhile ultimate is the dad who comes home after work spends time with his kids and wife, goes to the bar after his kids go to sleep then comes home, he’s better with moderation where he’s getting his buzz but it’s not his main focus, I’d love an issue where it’s cap and wolverine or daredevil and punisher talking to him about being a hero and living his life like how you would with learning to slow down on the bottle before something goes wrong
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I’ve been saying for the longest that zeb wells’ Spider-Man run is what happens when you take a Spidey comic, where Peter is down on his luck and picks himself back up, but removing the part where he actually gets up after being knocked down again and again.
I feel like you put that into words a lot better than I could, and it explains why the wells run feels like some kind of parody.
This cynical writing style has kinda dominated a lot of my favorite franchises, and it sucks to see whenever it happens. But I think moments like this, are why I heavily appreciate other adaptations or side books that actually respect the characters, and aren’t tied down by the editorial’s unhinged mandates.
Peters suffering has become a meme at this point.
But of course he didn't mean fighting to save the whole City
He didn't know peter was spider man
Peter just knows ben wouldve said something similar if he did know
Plus let's say he did interpreted In the literal manner, he'd use his powers to get what he needed to get those responsibilities done
Stealing for money for example
My interpretation at least
Ben told peter to use his great power responsible. He never said to throw his life away, not spend his time with his wife, friends or other loved ones, nor to be miserable because of said power. I think its Peter over-compensating because of his guilt. We know Ben is proud of him, he emphasizes this point often. Like in ASM500 or in the final episode of Spider-man TAS.
Alternate advice from Uncle Ben: “With great power, comes great benefits”
i feel like spider-man is like batman. life is telling peter to not be good in the world; there will only be tragedies - if you keep on trying to do good. the problem is that peter doesn't care what the world is saying because he will be doing good no matter the cost. Peter says to life, "No, you can't break me; even if you do, I will keep on coming back because someone, anyone, needs my help." literally JJJ is calling spider-man is horrible to society, and peter's like nope idc. as much as spider-man fans want him to be like superman, i think of him as batman. both men are defiant to the world around saying stop trying to be good; that being gotham city and peter's life. for Bruce, he says to the city, "No, you can't break me; even if you do, I will keep on coming back because my city needs saving." side point, that's why i have an issue with fans saying gotham shouldn't be a hellhole because being so is meaningless to batman's mission. i'm like that's the point of batman stories tho; it's to be defiant against a city that is saying be bad.
I feel like elaborating on a few things you said. Mainly that this is a writer issue and not a “Spider-Man is destined for a life of misery” issue.
The meta reason Gwen Stacy died was because the writers didn’t want Peter to get married and have kids because that would age the character too much. It also helped root the character in tragedy. Similar to Batman and other members of the Bat family like Batwoman not being able to get married. And if it’s to the point that the writers keep punishing the character, meaning the comic book universe itself keeps punishing the character, it’s a moot point to argue whether or not their crusade was right, if they create their own enemies, or if Peter misunderstood Uncle Ben’s advice.
Also the lesson Peter learned was that when he let a burglar go because it didn’t seem to impact him, that burglar later killed his uncle, so he should step up as Spider-Man and stop bad people when he can even if he isn’t personally impacted because the people he stops today might hurt someone else tomorrow. It wasn’t simply “I have powers so I might as well suit up and fight all crime.” That’s more Wally West.
So yes Peter’s life sucks, but he’s in a cartoonishly evil world where no one else will step up and help people (technically yes there are other people who could help, but because of the trope Superman Stays Out of Gotham, they don’t help those same people Spider-Man will help). So yes Peter’s life gets better in Spider-Man 2, but is it worth it when he ignores someone getting beaten up, a child trapped in a burning building, or Doctor Octopus’ experiment that might destroy the city?
When a writer tries to make a point to write a story pointing out that being a hero makes the hero’s life suck, I tend to think it’s a problem with the writer not being able to handle the character when he isn’t at rock bottom or deviating from the status quo. Like if Spider-Man finally got married, acknowledged that Jameson’s harsh critique makes him extra careful if only to prove Jameson wrong, and Peter can get a job where he isn’t rich and famous like Bruce Wayne but a middle-class forgettable face in New York. Similar to the old newspaper comic.
Also, I find it weird that the writers love to make hero stories a torture porn for the hero, even though it’s supposed to inspire people. If being a good person will give me a perpetual misery, maybe it’s better to become the villain who can enjoy life instead.
This is what I have been saying for years. Seriously, at this point Spiderman is like a less wealthy version of Batman.
Honestly, I would like to see a comic where Parker gets some therapy so this aspect is addressed, though it will probably get retconned.
There is actually a comic where Spider-man would go to therapy however after he tells the therapist about his life, the therapist leaves mid-session
2:34 Ngl I wouldn’t count that voice message as a “Great Responsibility” quote variation, just a heartfelt voice message. The actual great responsibility quote in those movies was uh.. Pretty bad. But if they hadn’t put that in, and this message was it’s variant, it would’ve been was a very good one lol
Spider-Man to Peter is like a drug addicting but harmful
Uncle Ben after Spider-Man dies and goes to heaven: oh wow, I didn’t know you’d take ‘great responsibility’ so literally! I didn’t mean you had to neglect your personal life for the entire city…
Yeah because I really that Peter should have turned in Norman Osborn in the Raimi movie because a hero is a unlicensed public servant and can’t put his personal feelings before others
I'm getting in late on this conversation, but it's been obvious to me that Peter's life is full of self-hatred and self-abuse because that's the life his writers are living. They are required to put Peter through pain because that's what the fans and the Marvel executives, from Stan Lee on, have demanded. They have to meet the soap opera demands to make Peter suffer. Hope denied is who Peter Parker is, and after this election, hope has been denied to every American and our world in general. So get used to unhappy endings in your own lives, because that's what life is. As the critic Tony Goldmark said about Disney World, "Happiness is an illusion. At best it's a momentary distraction. It's never been a default setting."
Ecclesiastes 9 verse 4
Anyone who is among the living has hope -even a live dog is better off than a dead lion!
Can you please do a Miss Martian video, Venxous? She's just my favorite Young Justice character.
Good old skyrim background music I love it
It also applies to invincible the show especially
Thank you so much for this video. I've always thought this but would get ridiculed for this opinion
I feel what you're ultimately saying here and I'm so with you on that. But I think it doesn't make sense to pin everything bad on what Ben said. The power to even be Spider-Man was always going to be a burden, Ben just gave Peter a direction to find moral peace within his own battered conscience amidst the chaos of recalibrating his life to accommodate his powers. The world in which Spider-Man exists is a harsh world, and yeah some less optimistic writers will embellish that to the point it loses any fun. Even so, I still don't think you can blame Ben's words for the choices Peter makes. The guilt that drives Peter didn't come from Ben's words, it came from his own inaction. Peter knew he made the wrong choice and it cost him everything, and his powers give him the ability to fight that on behalf of those who can't. Yes, his own relationships matter, but now he understands he has the potential to intervene where no one else can in the same harsh realities that took one of his loved ones. Being a kid just means he was wise beyond his years and maybe also a little naive, but I honestly can't say at 15 I wouldn't have done exactly what he did if given the power. I would have made that choice, I would have chosen to be a hero and I'd have been proud of it. Now as an adult, I don't know if I would make that choice... at twice that age I'm personally a little jaded. I think that's a very idealistic 15 year old kid choice to make.
It's a constant choice that can be rough on him, but Peter makes that choice based on his own experience, not because he's under the spell of some misinterpreted notion. Give the guy a little more credit, he's a pretty intelligent character. He can fall to the level of using Spider-Man as an addictive unhealthy coping mechanism at times, but I don't think that's ever really the baseline of who Spider-Man is. I think Peter would simply rather give safety to a random person than cling to his own comfort in the name of his own personal stability. I think he has more faith in his relationships than this perspective gives him credit for. That's really what Raimi's SM2 was about: is he still willing to make the choice if it might cost him another loved one? Can he trust MJ to understand that choice and still stay associated with him, or will she prioritize her personal hangups with Peter over the safety of an entire city and cut him out? Peter has to learn to give her the choice herself and have faith she can understand the value of that choice. Hardship is part of life, it comes in one form or another, for Spider-Man the stakes are high.
And almost as if in conversation with Raimi's SM2, that's what Webb's TASM2 was about, the fact that the choice doesn't save you one way or the other, but the choice still means everything. Gwen chose to stay with Peter and paid her life to save a bunch of random people and that's why her loss was so impactful, because she made the same choice as Peter makes when he chooses to be Spider-Man, and Peter realizes she wouldn't have had it any other way, as scary as it is to face your potential and inevitable doom and as much as you still want to survive it and live, she still made the same choice as Peter, and now Peter understands he's the one who can keep making that choice. He succumbed to the guilt of even associating with her until he realized he loved her for her understanding and support of that choice and couldn't bear to give up on that aspect of himself because she loved that in him. He is inspired to save the kid that reminds him of his younger self no matter the risk. Sacrifice isn't always about living a terrible life or dying so others can live, but more about living your life in a way that does the most good possible no matter how hard it is. That's not a terrible life, no matter how many bad things happen or how many times you draw the short end of the stick... at least in my opinion. Throughout life, on the other end of safety and happiness, everyone hurts and everyone dies. What you do with that is up to you, and I feel like that's what Spider-Man is all about, in every incarnation. We all want Pete to have a good life, and sometimes he does. But his suffering isn't just about making him relatable, it's about showing how suffering doesn't have to be the last word on our lives and we can do something great with it. That's the great responsibility we all have in common, Spider-Man powers or not.
Interesting perspective.
I feel a compromise to the dillema of if uncle ben tells peter W/GP=GR or if Peter concludes it himself can be comprimised. Uncle Ben tells Peter that with great power there must also come great responsibility, however peter restates it, adding onto the fact that with great responsibility comes great suffering. However, he has to push through it no matter what. Because new york needs him.
Ultimate Spider-Man 2024 is an example of not giving this quote get him a life better it’s just bad writing he has genuine happiness
Im ngl if you look at the sum total of peters life I think its good. Everyone go through hard ship and relationships arent perfect. I think he has an amazing support system and he always finds a way to support himself (and the people he cares about if need be)
I think a lot of people misunderstand the life of Peter Parker. Sure it's hard but it doesn't "suck". He can stop at any time, use his powers and intellect to get rich and have an easy life but he dose not. He CHOSES to use those powers so what happened to his uncle dose not happen to others. He evolved past just doing it because of guilt or some speech. He enjoys helping or saving people even if it makes his life hard at times. He knows he could have an easy life but he is not interested in the easy choice.
In the comics:
His girlfriend Gwen Stacy hated Spider-Man in the comics because George Stacy died from collateral damage in one of his fights, Gwen Stacy got killed because of the Norman Osborn/Green Goblin, Harry becomes another Green Goblin and dies doing so, and of course Peter’s own boss always tries to cancel and make Spider-Man look like a criminal all the time in the media.
Peter learns sometimes he is gonna love Spider-Man and sometimes he is gonna hate being Spider-Man. Yes being a superhero sucks for him at times but it is still the right thing and responsible thing for him to be Spider-Man.
@@petermj1098and that all happened in Amazing Spider-Man vol 1 issue 40 where he should never cover up Norman’s crimes because look where that got him, it’s like the guy who could have stopped World War 2 by letting Hitler live and if it was any other hero who put Norman in jail it would be the same argument that they were saving people as Harry would no doubt be petty Eddie Brock who pray to God to have someone killed because of all his misfortune that he could never except?
You really don't get peters personality bro.
I have to wonder what is your take on Spider-Man post OMD and its impact on the modern day Spider-Man comics.
Hey I would love to see your thoughts on the original ultimate Spider-Man comic run.
You mention the fact that Peter was 16 but that version of Peter was even younger at 15 and he encapsulated everything about that part of Peter that wanted to make up for his mistake in uncle Ben’s death.
Even up to the end of his story he dealt with a lot of crap but if the would’ve continued into his adult years he I think would’ve ended in a spot similar to the 90’s spider-man happy with who he was.
No version of Spider-Man truly encapsulates the mentality of a young Peter Parker suffering from the wound of uncle Ben’s death quite like of ultimate Spider-Man.
Because unlike so many version of peter and the man who killed uncle Ben scene. Ultimate Peter Parker didn’t just ignore the robber the man stood in front of the robber and did a cheeky grin and everything then moved out of the way he was completely high on himself.
I think Ultimate Peter Parker was hit with that lesson 10x harder at that point in time cause it was like he was flaunting the fact that he had the power.
Ultimate Spider-Man issue #5 is on of the best showings of Spider-Man’s origins.
Spider-Man didn’t have his life ruined. A ruined life means a ruined soul, and because he continues to fight on despite hardships by uncle Ben’s wisdom, he will be content. This is what makes him such a good role model, and to say that he should’ve just cared for himself is to deprive him of his heart.
Can you please do a lance,aka avalanche X-men evolution video soon please!!!
Brother I respect the dedication, but that lance video won’t happen until I cover season 2 of X-Men Evolution its gonna be a few months
thanks for the info👍
Ben never said that to Peter at least never originally
Yeah. Wan't Ben briught back for 5 minutes in ASM 500 by Doctor Strange and Peter told Ben about his powers and Ben basically reaffirmed his Great Power, Great Responsibilty line?
@@ComicGuy2004The last panels of Amazing Fantasy 15 had “with great power comes great responsibility” after Peter realizes he is responsible for Uncle Ben’s death.
@@ComicGuy2004 yes but it was never said in the original comic
Atleast Ben didn’t say it
@@petermj1098 True
What soundtrack is in the background of the video?
skyrim
I think your wrong. I think Peter didn’t misunderstand what Ben said it was very clear with great power comes great responsibility he has amazing spider powers so using them comes with great responsibility like putting aside what you want to do for what it is you have to do. The reason Peter Parker’s life is miserable in the comics is because of incompetent writers refuse to let him evolve fully and they refuse to let him grow up because they believe it takes away the appeal of spider man but that is also utterly false
All my homies hate Ben
I feel you should read the original Spider-Man no more comic storyline that Sam Raimi made Spider-Man 2 based around as I feel it’s a little disappointing that everyone attributes Sam Raimi’s film as the source when it’s actually an adaptation of a comic that handled the arc differently than Sam Raimi who only depicted Peter quitting as a positive
I’ve read the source it didn’t support my thesis so I didn’t use it. I tried making a point of using multiple interpretations because as I said at the end it’s up to the writer to give it some balance something I think the original comic did well, I should have mentioned it by name at the end. I appreciate you engaging in this discourse respectfully I enjoy hearing other perspectives. Have an awesome day brother 👊🏾
@ glad that you read it. I know that you wanted to support your thesis but I still think it was worth mentioning because people generally don’t give Stan Lee’s original runs of Spider-Man enough credit due to Sam Raimi’s adaptation basically getting all the attention and claim. Whenever people wanted to reference an original concept about Spider-Man, they go to Sam Raimi’s films instead of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko such as the great responsibility speech when in reality, Uncle Ben NEVER actually told Peter that lesson but rather it was something Peter learned on his own but they don’t account for that when they want to argue how Ben was ALWAYS this super important, Saint like figure in Spider-Man’s story when he originally was just the good man that suffered because Peter didn’t do the responsible thing and stop the robber. The same goes for the No More storyline where everyone immediately attributes it to Sam Raimi and uses the film as an argument that Peter’s life will definitively be better if he doesn’t be Spider-Man but Stan Lee made it clear that it’s not some perfect solution. In the original story, Peter quits because he succumbed to the negative press and doubts the Jameson basically represented back then, he was a means of vocalizing Peter’s doubts and insecurities, and that storyline has Peter caving in to them. But instead of what Sam Raimi did, Stan Lee wrote it where Peter EXPECTED everything to get better in his personal life only for him to realize that it’s TOO LATE as everybody’s already moved on with their lives, all the while crime rates skyrocket in Spider-Man’s absence which allows the debut of characters like the Kingpin to come in and gain power because Spider-Man was actually doing a lot of good for the city. Peter also becomes Spider-Man again not because his girl got kidnapped by a supervillain (for like the third time), but because he couldn’t stand by and let a innocent stranger get hurt anymore which reminds him of why he became Spider-Man in the first place.
In general, the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko runs of Spider-Man simply just DON’T get enough appreciation these days when practically all of it goes towards the big obvious stuff like Sam Raimi’s films or the Spectacular Spider-Man show when they’re more like adaptations to the stuff Stan Lee wrote yet they basically get all the credit. It’s a real shame honestly.
@ glad that you read it. I know that you wanted to support your thesis but I still think it was worth mentioning because people generally don’t give Stan Lee’s original runs of Spider-Man enough credit due to Sam Raimi’s adaptation basically getting all the attention and claim. Whenever people wanted to reference an original concept about Spider-Man, they go to Sam Raimi’s films instead of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko such as the great responsibility speech when in reality, Uncle Ben NEVER actually told Peter that lesson but rather it was something Peter learned on his own but they don’t account for that when they want to argue how Ben was ALWAYS this super important, Saint like figure in Spider-Man’s story when he originally was just the good man that suffered because Peter didn’t do the responsible thing and stop the robber. The same goes for the No More storyline where everyone immediately attributes it to Sam Raimi and uses the film as an argument that Peter’s life will definitively be better if he doesn’t be Spider-Man but Stan Lee made it clear that it’s not some perfect solution. In the original story, Peter quits because he succumbed to the negative press and doubts the Jameson basically represented back then, he was a means of vocalizing Peter’s doubts and insecurities, and that storyline has Peter caving in to them. But instead of what Sam Raimi did, Stan Lee wrote it where Peter EXPECTED everything to get better in his personal life only for him to realize that it’s TOO LATE as everybody’s already moved on with their lives, all the while crime rates skyrocket in Spider-Man’s absence which allows the debut of characters like the Kingpin to come in and gain power because Spider-Man was actually doing a lot of good for the city. Peter also becomes Spider-Man again not because his girl got kidnapped by a supervillain (for like the third time), but because he couldn’t stand by and let a innocent stranger get hurt anymore which reminds him of why he became Spider-Man in the first place.
In general, the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko runs of Spider-Man simply just DON’T get enough appreciation these days when practically all of it goes towards the big obvious stuff like Sam Raimi’s films or the Spectacular Spider-Man show when they’re more like adaptations to the stuff Stan Lee wrote yet they basically get all the credit. It’s a real shame honestly.
@@Venxousglad that you read it. I know that you wanted to support your thesis but I still think it was worth mentioning because people generally don’t give Stan Lee’s original runs of Spider-Man enough credit due to Sam Raimi’s adaptation basically getting all the attention and claim. Whenever people wanted to reference an original concept about Spider-Man, they go to Sam Raimi’s films instead of Stan Lee and Steve Ditko such as the great responsibility speech when in reality, Uncle Ben NEVER actually told Peter that lesson but rather it was something Peter learned on his own but they don’t account for that when they want to argue how Ben was ALWAYS this super important, Saint like figure in Spider-Man’s story when he originally was just the good man that suffered because Peter didn’t do the responsible thing and stop the robber. The same goes for the No More storyline where everyone immediately attributes it to Sam Raimi and uses the film as an argument that Peter’s life will definitively be better if he doesn’t be Spider-Man but Stan Lee made it clear that it’s not some perfect solution. In the original story, Peter quits because he succumbed to the negative press and doubts the Jameson basically represented back then, he was a means of vocalizing Peter’s doubts and insecurities, and that storyline has Peter caving in to them. But instead of what Sam Raimi did, Stan Lee wrote it where Peter EXPECTED everything to get better in his personal life only for him to realize that it’s TOO LATE as everybody’s already moved on with their lives, all the while crime rates skyrocket in Spider-Man’s absence which allows the debut of characters like the Kingpin to come in and gain power because Spider-Man was actually doing a lot of good for the city. Peter also becomes Spider-Man again not because his girl got kidnapped by a supervillain (for like the third time), but because he couldn’t stand by and let a innocent stranger get hurt anymore which reminds him of why he became Spider-Man in the first place.
In general, the Stan Lee and Steve Ditko runs of Spider-Man simply just DON’T get enough appreciation these days when practically all of it goes towards the big obvious stuff like Sam Raimi’s films or the Spectacular Spider-Man show when they’re more like adaptations to the stuff Stan Lee wrote yet they basically get all the credit. It’s a real shame honestly.
This just shows that Peter Parker’s way is outdated and we need to try new things like what does great come great responsibility really mean because this is my main criticism with the 2002 movie because he chose to cover up Norman Osborn’s crimes which that is wrong because he was killing people and superheroes are like unlicensed Public Servants that they put their own personal feelings before others and never heard of act utilitarianism because it was only one life effected if he takes Norman to jail and that is Harry over a hundred other people because he wanted to kill Peter because of a misunderstanding but I really think it was all about MJ as he was dangerously entitled to her and like after Fleck says “if that was me dying on the sidewalk, you walk right over me” now if it was any other hero who put your dad in jail it would be the same argument and that is they were just doing their jobs protect the people and he was killing people, so I suggest he should find a better father figure and wasting your life trying to impress someone that really never cared about you.
I agree with the opinion overall, but disagree with the phrasing, if that makes sense.
Also feel the thumbnail, while eye catching and evocative, goes against your own point by the end.
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Yeah I'm not sure I like this video this video is at all this video just makes no sense to me and I'm not sure if this video was a joke or not.
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Uh bit depressing. Kinda get annoyed with superheros, vampires, witches or whatever it may be trying to act like normal people because it makes them relatable. As for Spiderman, I think the hes young highschool or college age thing is what makes it hard on him since thats the way the world is. Him not being Spiderman is probably not changing anything considering its a world with super powers going on hes probably not even any safer. Idk I think after he ages a bit he probably could come out with who he is and even without doing that could still make money off being Spiderman but I guess the writers like him being poor and miserable so us people like that can relate more or something stupid like that.
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