I'm surprised Duncan didn't say "Imagine this in Scotland - with high winds and sideways rain. Cannae keep a wee hankie dry in the centre pal. For that reason alone.. I'm oot"
@@nothankyou Drives repeat sales when it breaks in the wind, from people who just need to have the same product they already had. Apple use the same idea to drive sales in IPhones that break when you drop them once but everyone needs to just have the same product.
including the dragons, these people are meant to set an example of professional business people, not school children in the playground - totally pathetic behaviour!
Peter: 40% is unfair! Also Peter: if you want my money, I want 100% of all your businesses, your house, your first born child and a night with your wife
I wished Richard was still a dragon, he was a clever, astute businessman and didn't take any crap from the other dragons. I feel they may have had a say in Richard's departure from the show
He didn't though. It's much worse than that. Richard was preparing living arrangements in the UK so he could commit more to the show, before he was told that he wouldn't be needed for the next season.
Richard did everything right not only in a classy manner but also very professionally. Hes everything a dragon stands for and is definitely one of the best dragons of all time. Peter and Theo had no business butting in and talking crap. Duncan did well by backing Richard at the end as well.
tbh u should prob check to see what the guys up to now. half of the "successful" pitches here fall through anyway, and most collapse over time, unfortunately
He was removed from the cast for no reason. He was a fan favourite for being very nice to investors so people speculate he was kicked out to try make the program more hostile like other investment programs
🤦♂️He just exploited a young man who was too 'nice'. Much respect to Theo and Peter for trying to stick up for him and encourage him to negotiate. Richard is a snake. Lost all respect for him after this. What a c**t
@@snooganslestat2030he shouldn’t have done but both he and Theo felt he was being ripped off and the two who made the offer were taking advantage of him being only 21.
Feels like they made it mutual later between themselves to not talk anymore when they are out. I remember another episode when one of them says you're out so can you let me finish or something and there was no more yabbering
This pitch was phenomenal. He is to the point, polished, warm, generous. 21 years old, and he’s shown such initiative and commitment since he was only 17. Regardless of where his clothesline went, I know that he will go far in life- he is a true Elle model
I want you to work for me so I’ll offer you all of the money for 75% of the business then you can partake in future ventures’ Yup that seems like jones to me
Ye, it's always the same. He destroys the whole idea, then comes in high to 'rescue them..... The only one i sorta trust is Debra. When she doesn't like it, she'll simply breath fire and launches puppies. At least you know where you are at with her
Might be sly but it's clever tatics on Peter's behalf. He will often put the other dragons off and make the pitcher doubt he's product or service when he sees something in it, all so he can secure the deal.
@@giacomobaccassino8115 don't know what the rules are around this time but in newer episodes they have made it clear that you cannot come back in once declared out of the game.
Good on Roger man, he's done a cracking job. The 40% is definitely worth it for the experience and advice he can get out of it to help him in future endeavours. Best of luck to him
@@christopherthomson1978 What's to regret. He owned 60% of a business that went bankrupt less than two years after being incorporated. Doesn't matter if you own 60% of nothing or 100% of nothing.
The kid made a good decision. His reasoning that it's his first project so he wants to see it through to the end is key to understanding the mentality. He intends on making entrepreneurship his thing and he doesn't intend to stop at this product..he understands his own limitations, key among them his lack of experience. 60% of a million dollars is better than 100% of a failed business. He gets it. Good choice!
He could've had 80% with Deborah's offer, but Farley and Deborah stitched him up like a kipper. And Deborah kept her investment amount quiet, whilst Farley sealed the deal.
60% of a profitable business is still better than 100% of one that isn't. He was right to take the offer. It's not like he created the next amazon or Facebook.... It's a clothesline....
That’s exactly why Levi Roots decided to give a large chunk of his business to Dragons. Retaining more equity of a business that wasn’t gonna go anywhere made no sense
To update you mo-foes. He went on to sell 13 in 2015. 26 in 2016 and 48 in 2017.He was declared bankrupt in 2018 with debts of £2,000,000 000,000,000..such a sad story.
@@hermanmunster3358 He literally said "obviously a few more questions to ask, but at this point *i'd be tempted to offer you* sort of half the money for about the percent you're talking about, so 15%, something like that, just to let the others know what I'm thinking" He didn't make an offer, he let the other dragons know what he thought but it wasn't an offer
Peter had his finger up himself there squirming, Theo enjoyed watching that happened comfortably. That's a fair assessment. Good for Richard on pushing back and putting PJ on check.
theo was on peters side he even said it himself it was cringe he did not enjoy it. both guys felt bad for the boy. Richard suddenly increased his share. while only providing the same amount of money offered. the point was u can be a dragon and absolutely devour certain entrepreneurs but even dragons shd have a code of ethics to some pitchers
@@sneakycheeky531 unfortunately they can't just pick and choose who gets to be spared otherwise they're all hypocritical. Peter has been greedy many times, he can't now just be a saint and try to act like he's saving this dude. If you declare out, you don't interfere with the other deals and that's the way it should be.
Richard is at another level: is handsome, educated, polite, but a strong negotiator at the same time. Peter and Theo were just jealous. Even they completely ignore the fact that was Debra the one who increased the share to 20%.
I'm just gonna agree with a lot of people in the comments. Once a Dragon declares themselves out, they should just sit back & let the negotiations continue & not try to undermine the other Dragons. The equity can always be renegotiated if the product is successful & that's two experienced business people this kid is getting on his side. Even if it fails, the kid will get some education out of it. Like Richard said, if Peter or Theo are so concerned, make an offer. Or mind your own business.
I agree. They could ask about changing the terms of the offer if they are interested. If not and say they are out thats the end. They wouldnt be able to sign a contract then negotiate!
I think had it been a more seasoned entrepreneur they would have stayed back. I think his age and him being new to the industry played the factor in the intervention. Doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong on any side though.
@@xaoc6084 But like the young man said, he wants to get the product off the ground. When he has some success, he might be in a better position to negotiate better deals.
Wtf Theo and Peter are ones to talk when they try and include an entrepreneur’s other businesses into the mix too. You can’t sit there complaining that Richard is being greedy when they’re not willing to put money down themselves.
Also, if you're using an umbrella in the wind, you have to point it into the wind or it'll get flipped inside out and broken. This thing will just catch the wind like a sail and launch itself across your garden.
I dunno…I didn’t like how vague Richard’s initial offer was. It seemed very quick and noncommittal (which turned out to be exactly the case since he changed his mind) and ultimately just led to confusion. Peter shouldn’t have attacked him like he did, but Richard was acting really weird.
@@michaelh9649 I don't feel 'Dickkie' was being vague/non-committal. I think it's generally called an "Expression of Interest." (Genuinely NOT being sarccy ✋🏽) With EOI's...the initial 'terms' are fluid. (Hence Richard seeming vague.) The terms are merely a starting point 4 negotiations. Ultimately...regardless of wether Dickkie 'changed his mind' or not...the fact is he @ least made an offer. Peter did not. So Dickkie was putting his 💰 where his mouth was. While Pete was on the side trying 2 influence negotiations he clearly didn't want to be part of. (Get the feeling Peter DIDN'T like Richard. Personally.) Hence trying to stir it up.
Love to see the confidence roger brought in with him and props to him for standing his ground and making a wise decision though he was influenced by some unseen circumstances
@Forever Changed look up 'dragons den postbox', Brians figures is an enduring meme from dragons den pitch, a pitch of legendary incompetence, if you haven't seen it your in for a treat
I always loved Richard. He seems very polite and classy. Yes Richard does give criticism, but he doesn’t seem to enjoy watching the entrepreneurs sweat in the way that the other dragons do
Richard changing his offer from 15 to 20, and this guy still didn't even negotitate at all. He probably could have gotten a better deal, but I guess he was just happy getting the help of two dragons
He simply wanted to match Deborah's offer which is where the confusion set in. Why would Deborah get 20% and Richard get 15% for the same price? But somehow Theo and Peter saw this as exploiting the entrepreneur
There is something finicky about negotiating deals especially when it's the only deal you have on the table which is that you can lose the deal altogether. I've seen it happen many times.
Richard Farley is so classy and clever, Debra and Peter feel small in comparison, hence the hostility. You can quite often see them eyeing him up critically in other episodes too,
Your instincts are true. It's a little known fact that Peter hada dinner party back in 2006, maybe '07? and his partner Tara practically threw herself at Richard. This caused PJ to resent Richard for the remaining time he had on the show and also could have impacted his leaving the show.
You can tell Richard was quite shocked. It amounts to Peter trying to sabotage his deal. Likely, Richard would have considered them both business friends until that moment. It was incredibly inappropriate of Peter to do that.
I'm surprised that absolutely no one question this product. This can only work it's raining without any wind. If it's raining and windy then the clothes will still get wet.
I think it was a good decision for the young Roger. He still has 60% of the company, the money he asked for, and not just one but two dragons. That's a lot.
The clothes will still get wet from wind-blown rain - it doesn't just fall vertically. Maybe an adaptation of this to double as a sun shade umbrella would increase usefulness.
As Theo pointed out, Roger was 21 years old here. It would have been very nerve wracking making the pitch and selling himself and the product without the dragons bickering and making things even harder for Roger. As Roger then said, this is his first project and he wanted to make it work so the knowledge and expertise that Richard and Deborah would bring to the table would be invaluable to him. 40% is a lot but fair play to the guy and Richard and Deborah and great contacts to have for future projects.
Peter and Theo are the sort of people who go to a yard sale and complain about all the stuff that is on offer. And proceed to have a go at those people who try to negotiate a cheap deal.
Richard nearly got it, but the kid was really lucky none of the dragons questioned how ineffective this product would be in even the slightest wind. The rain would angle in toward the sides. Although this could be resolved by adding another section around the outside which is angled down and about a foot long.
He did well to keep his composure whilst that was going on. Richard Farley is a good Investor. Peter and Theo really let themselves down with their behaviour. I'm not surprised Richard left the programme. Well done Rotamate 👍🇬🇧😊
The way Roger just stayed silent through most of that argument. Aside from that I think it's a good idea because it's a common problem and he is good young entrepreneur
Roger and Deborah both handled it well. You could see Deborah was annoyed and slightly shaking her head at Peter. And Roger was shocked but remained focused and professional. Both Peter and Theo could learn some manners and professional behaviour from Roger!
Is anyone else thinking, "This product only works if the rain is falling directly downwards"? If the rainfall has even the slightest angle, this cover is useless.
@@lincoln7184 no, because that's same as you saying to me say something to him and i say hi. you see what i meaning with not having anything to do with the business answer, which is therefor not good enough for loaners to get the company's liability to get the money back.
I don’t really see anything wrong with what Richard done to be honest he did say ‘around 15%’ depending on what the other dragons say, Debra said 20% so he matched it what’s the issue? Peter was out and had no need to keep interrupting the negotiations
Peter: I would like 100% of the business , I would also like 40% of the business you didn’t mention, did you bring a lunch today? Rodger: uh yes a drink as well?? Peter: well I’d like 80% of that I’ll take the sandwich the Curley wurley the tea cake and crisps and leave you with 3/4 of a drink.
i like the slower pace, the more thorough grilling, the focus on the numbers, and the selection of tons of candidates who really don’t know what they are doing.
He had 80% with Deborah's offer. But she failed to stipulate how much money she was willing to invest, before Farley stepped in, and took over the negotiation, ultimately stitching the guy up! Deborah was in no rush to step in at that point, because she knew she was going to save herself £42.5k, and STILL get 20% of the business. Fekking Greedy SHEISTERS.
He’ll be about 40 now 😱 Checked him out and it looks like he’s had a good career in business and marketing. The Rotamate disappeared after a few years.
I disagree, i believe they were trying to protect a new maybe naive entrepreneur. Yeah its the dragons den but if they screw over everyone that comes in, especially a new guy, it would discourage him in the future. There is a reason Peter has a business school.
Duncan had it completely right there at the end, "Put your money where your mouth is." You can't sit there talking about how bad an offer is, potentially ruining a deal that is still to be made, right after declaring yourself unwilling to make any sort of offer yourself. Poor form.
I’m surprised the dragons didn’t question the products effectiveness , surely if you got washing hanging close to the edges then rain will still easily get them wet 🤷🏼♂️
I'm wondering why they never asked further about the rain + wind problem. Surely if there is a slight breeze the rain will still get onto the clothes? It only appears to work if the rain is falling directly downward?
You do realise that water is more dense than those clothes.... and if the wind blows the water in one direction it's going to blow the clothes even more in that same direction. Look how a flag flies even when it's not that windy.
@@Darwinion humans are less dense than water and yet when the wind blows rain moves a lot more than I do. That and the clothes are attached to a fixed pivot point. They're going to get soaked regardless.
Interesting that Peter and Theo recognise that 40% is a huge amount of equity here, yet they ask for it frequently. Theo’s reasoning here is that Roger was only 21, so maybe they only go after people they think should know better? I haven’t seen enough of these older episodes to be sure, but I wonder if it’s that or if they just got more ruthless with time.
Think its just poor editing. This is like an hr+ pitch that they just cut to the air time and then cut even further for these YT clips. So it was probably clearer before. Being that Richard already said he was going half for 15% I assume the other dragons were coming in on that investment unless they stated otherwise.
Impressive young man. Deal didnt go through and company wound up in 2010. Putting a sail up in the back garden may be why, a flying close dryer can do a lot of damage and may result in a law suit
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FYI, I wouldn't exactly call this the biggest argument ever seen in the Den.
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@@B_Bodziak How was this "argument" "fierce" ? Just a few heated words and looks exchanged. Clickbait at it's finest.
@@B_Bodziakx3e3 30th 😅
I'm surprised Duncan didn't say "Imagine this in Scotland - with high winds and sideways rain. Cannae keep a wee hankie dry in the centre pal. For that reason alone.. I'm oot"
That’s what I was thinking, if it’s raining and windy the clothes will be soaking surely
The whole unit looks like it would blow away in the wind. It would catch wind like a sail, rip out of the ground and take off
@@thomasmason8481 I thought the umbrella was a perfect analogy at the start - it will be inside out and in the bin within 10 minutes.
@@nothankyou Drives repeat sales when it breaks in the wind, from people who just need to have the same product they already had. Apple use the same idea to drive sales in IPhones that break when you drop them once but everyone needs to just have the same product.
@@nothankyou you dont understand. Inevitably, it'll push down and there you go, you got yourself an umbrella
Guy was 21 and capable of keeping composure much better than a lot of 40 year-old guys I know
Exactly. Including the 40 year old Dragons. So childish and petty of Jones and Paphitis.
Yeah he's got some impressive confidence for sure.
It's not about age. Some people were created with this talent and some weren't. Not everyone can do it
Well you learn it from experiences...
including the dragons, these people are meant to set an example of professional business people, not school children in the playground - totally pathetic behaviour!
Peter: 40% is unfair!
Also Peter: if you want my money, I want 100% of all your businesses, your house, your first born child and a night with your wife
Poor wife. Peter has a tiny todger. 🤏
Peter: Oh and I'll take your soul too, thanks.
Guy:95%?
Peter: only if you watch me with your wife!
Hahahah
You forgot the shirt off his back as well as his next meal lol
I wished Richard was still a dragon, he was a clever, astute businessman and didn't take any crap from the other dragons. I feel they may have had a say in Richard's departure from the show
I liked him as well, I never saw him being rude to the contestants either.
conflict is great content, the more drama the better the ratings, look at the front page of newspapers headlines.
Course they did!
The guy was just talking because he had to say something
After seeing this clip I agree with you.
Peter and Theo should have shut up if they’re out. Can see why Richard left the show. Far too classy
He didn't though. It's much worse than that. Richard was preparing living arrangements in the UK so he could commit more to the show, before he was told that he wouldn't be needed for the next season.
@@RenegadeGaruda damn. he was my fave dragon
@@RenegadeGaruda The reason was diversity, they wanted a more diverse dragon, so they got James 'Not my real name' Caan
@@maxmoore2788 James is a Pakistani Muslim named Khan not caan.. he was just white washing himself
@@lalbihari6663 Yeah I could have told you that without going to google.
Richard did everything right not only in a classy manner but also very professionally. Hes everything a dragon stands for and is definitely one of the best dragons of all time. Peter and Theo had no business butting in and talking crap. Duncan did well by backing Richard at the end as well.
Cant stand Richard, reminds me of that snake thing from monsters inc
@@ewilliams9811 let it out friend, we can see you're hurtin
@Ego Master No, just business.
Shows he’s not as astute in his decision making as the rest and basically walked himself back because he saw he’d misread the room.
He also has lovely hair.
Peter was threatened by Richard. It's a shame Richard left the den, he was a classy bloke.
Peter wasn't remotely threatened by bland, glossy, Richard. Far too smooth for my liking. I might be wrong but he strikes me as soulless!
@@anidolmind3312 the nervousness in his delivery to Richard and his baseless points suggest otherwise.
Apparently Peter’s partner at the time was trying to hit it off with Richard at a dinner party, that’s probably why he hates him.
@@damien7151 really? Did you read this somewhere?
@@anidolmind3312 Peter is himself a snake.
Granted 40% at 21 is a hell of a lot, but the experience he will get off those two is invaluable, and at that age, that knowledge will take him far
100% this
I think he reasoned this himself, it wasn't about the money
tbh u should prob check to see what the guys up to now. half of the "successful" pitches here fall through anyway, and most collapse over time, unfortunately
@@henry7696 how's he doing?
@@huskiehuskerson5300 It sounds like the product did fail, but he seems to be doing good as a Curriculum developer for ESL in Hong Kong.
I liked Richard Farley, seemed like a decent dragon. Maybe that's why he left
Agreed. Farley is a top guy all around. A legend
Yep more class than the rest put together
Peter, Deborah, Touker, Duncan and the guy with the glasses are great aswell tho
"I'm a decent person and for that reason; I'm out".
"The hell you talking about Rich?".
He was removed from the cast for no reason. He was a fan favourite for being very nice to investors so people speculate he was kicked out to try make the program more hostile like other investment programs
The young man showed a lot of composure for his age and in the circumstances. Kudos to him.
Richard is the best Dragon. Got to love how fair Duncan is at the end as well.
You on the Pot kidda?
@@MS-ni7hb bang on the gear
for that reason, i'm oot.
🤦♂️He just exploited a young man who was too 'nice'. Much respect to Theo and Peter for trying to stick up for him and encourage him to negotiate. Richard is a snake. Lost all respect for him after this. What a c**t
@@live_monkey2485 The kid did not understand the basics of the market for his product. He was going to FAIL HARD. He's lucky he got any offer.
Omg Roger was like a kid sitting at a dinner table watching the adults fight. Peter never should've piped up after he declared out.
Love that description. 😂
@@snooganslestat2030he shouldn’t have done but both he and Theo felt he was being ripped off and the two who made the offer were taking advantage of him being only 21.
@@marcus3dmthey have a nerve, they have ripped off many on the show. Once you are out you should keep quiet.
Peter is just angry that somebody else for once is shaking down an entrepreneur with a high equity offer
@Bitterman Really?^^
@Bitterman we need answers
You're talking in the present tense about a 14 year old video 😅
@@fuckamericanidiot You WERE typing in present sense about a three month old comment :P Ba dum tss
Poor Roger. He looks absolutely terrified the entire time.
Roger looks bewildered, Peter and Theo are out, why are they commenting further after that.
Exactly my thoughts
Feels like they made it mutual later between themselves to not talk anymore when they are out. I remember another episode when one of them says you're out so can you let me finish or something and there was no more yabbering
Too defend Roger who is only 21 you muppets
Poor Editing lol.
Jealousy.
This pitch was phenomenal. He is to the point, polished, warm, generous. 21 years old, and he’s shown such initiative and commitment since he was only 17. Regardless of where his clothesline went, I know that he will go far in life- he is a true Elle model
The only initiative he didn't show was to take his mum's washing off the line.
google says its in the millions now
@Chase Williams Is that true? If so, it's tragic.
@Chase Williams thats horrible
@@JudgeHill couldnt find anything about
Is this the same Peter “but I want 90% of this business and your other 2 businesses as well” Jones?!
I want you to work for me so I’ll offer you all of the money for 75% of the business then you can partake in future ventures’ Yup that seems like jones to me
Lol which episode was that?
10:31 "why dont you let the guy speak" says the one who interrupted him and started the conversation between the two dragons
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Peter: “40% is so unfair!”
Also Peter: “I want 100% of your business and 45% of your other main business that you didn’t even pitch on the show!”
Absolutely right.
Ye, it's always the same. He destroys the whole idea, then comes in high to 'rescue them.....
The only one i sorta trust is Debra. When she doesn't like it, she'll simply breath fire and launches puppies. At least you know where you are at with her
So true 😂😂
I agree. Very hypocritical. One rule for him and another for everyone else.
Might be sly but it's clever tatics on Peter's behalf. He will often put the other dragons off and make the pitcher doubt he's product or service when he sees something in it, all so he can secure the deal.
Richard Farley was the most straight up guy on the series, I always liked him
He's a class man. Even with that sexist woman in the same series.
@@kevinprior3549I miss Theo Noah Duncan and Richard , these new series are pretty unwatchable
He was always very humble
He looks so nervous once they start arguing. I thought he was going to cry at one point.
Not sure why Peter was so bothered given he'd already declared himself out.
He just didn’t like Richard
trying to protect an impressive but inexperienced 21yr old
It’s cos Richard is far better looking with more class which wouldn’t be difficult after that load of old wank he spoke 😂
@@Finderskeepers.
Nope,that's not it at all
The 40% deal is far better because he knew the product is not that good
Regardless of Peter being out it is still commendable that he defended the young entrepreneur.
Peter Jones was well out of order, he had declared himself out yet butted in on the negotiations, very unprofessional .
I think he could see a bad deal and wanted to warn the guy
@@ivangutowski so why didn’t he offer a better deal if he thought that was a bad deal?
@@giacomobaccassino8115 don't know what the rules are around this time but in newer episodes they have made it clear that you cannot come back in once declared out of the game.
@@ivangutowski he matched debras offer, but he only piped up at Richard...
@@bensmith5581 well yeah cos Richard offered 15% initially, Deborah offered 20% from the beginning
Good on Roger man, he's done a cracking job. The 40% is definitely worth it for the experience and advice he can get out of it to help him in future endeavours. Best of luck to him
silly not to negotiate he'd regret it later
@@christopherthomson1978 Ya but risk negotiating, and they might back out of the deal entirely out of being offended
@@christopherthomson1978 What's to regret. He owned 60% of a business that went bankrupt less than two years after being incorporated. Doesn't matter if you own 60% of nothing or 100% of nothing.
A new rule should be bought in “once u are out u don’t get to speak unless someone specifically asks u something”
Lol exactly
Theo and Peter were giving him good advice though.
The kid made a good decision.
His reasoning that it's his first project so he wants to see it through to the end is key to understanding the mentality. He intends on making entrepreneurship his thing and he doesn't intend to stop at this product..he understands his own limitations, key among them his lack of experience. 60% of a million dollars is better than 100% of a failed business. He gets it. Good choice!
He could've had 80% with Deborah's offer, but Farley and Deborah stitched him up like a kipper.
And Deborah kept her investment amount quiet, whilst Farley sealed the deal.
60% of a profitable business is still better than 100% of one that isn't. He was right to take the offer. It's not like he created the next amazon or Facebook.... It's a clothesline....
very true
Ye but soon he will make billions and hang facebook and amazon out to dry....
@@charliechaplin6228 comedy
That’s exactly why Levi Roots decided to give a large chunk of his business to Dragons. Retaining more equity of a business that wasn’t gonna go anywhere made no sense
To update you mo-foes. He went on to sell 13 in 2015. 26 in 2016 and 48 in 2017.He was declared bankrupt in 2018 with debts of £2,000,000 000,000,000..such a sad story.
I like how Richard does it his way,not the written protocol of every other episode,he's very genuine
He asks for 15% then changes his mind and asks for 20% when another Dragon tries to muscle in, and you think he is "GENUINE?"
Are you on drugs?
@@hermanmunster3358 yeah Peter rightly called him out on that
He’s a genuine *character* i think you’re trying to get at. He’s entertaining
@@hermanmunster3358 He literally said "obviously a few more questions to ask, but at this point *i'd be tempted to offer you* sort of half the money for about the percent you're talking about, so 15%, something like that, just to let the others know what I'm thinking"
He didn't make an offer, he let the other dragons know what he thought but it wasn't an offer
Peter had his finger up himself there squirming, Theo enjoyed watching that happened comfortably. That's a fair assessment. Good for Richard on pushing back and putting PJ on check.
theo was on peters side he even said it himself it was cringe he did not enjoy it. both guys felt bad for the boy. Richard suddenly increased his share. while only providing the same amount of money offered. the point was u can be a dragon and absolutely devour certain entrepreneurs but even dragons shd have a code of ethics to some pitchers
@@sneakycheeky531 unfortunately they can't just pick and choose who gets to be spared otherwise they're all hypocritical. Peter has been greedy many times, he can't now just be a saint and try to act like he's saving this dude. If you declare out, you don't interfere with the other deals and that's the way it should be.
Richard is at another level: is handsome, educated, polite, but a strong negotiator at the same time. Peter and Theo were just jealous. Even they completely ignore the fact that was Debra the one who increased the share to 20%.
Richard is the presenter right?
@@ReeceWilkinson247 Richard is the Dragon with the longer hair. The one on the far left.
@@MushroomMamaa i know, thanks 😊.I was attempting to make a joke about the presenter...
@@ReeceWilkinson247 What was the joke?
@@Fuckethead 'Long Hair'
Farley was always head & shoulders above the rest, what a great guy.
I think that's why his hair is so shiny.
Peter Jones is taller
@@sabercrosby8128 By a head.....🤣
You can tell Peter, in particular, didn't like someone being better than him
He's an Aussie
I'm just gonna agree with a lot of people in the comments. Once a Dragon declares themselves out, they should just sit back & let the negotiations continue & not try to undermine the other Dragons.
The equity can always be renegotiated if the product is successful & that's two experienced business people this kid is getting on his side. Even if it fails, the kid will get some education out of it.
Like Richard said, if Peter or Theo are so concerned, make an offer. Or mind your own business.
I agree. They could ask about changing the terms of the offer if they are interested. If not and say they are out thats the end. They wouldnt be able to sign a contract then negotiate!
Exactly. He's basically bought himself some top mentoring and a boost to his CV.
Hi Ashley I agree totally with yu fantastic point extremely valid point I agree 700 percent wit yu
I think had it been a more seasoned entrepreneur they would have stayed back. I think his age and him being new to the industry played the factor in the intervention. Doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong on any side though.
@@xaoc6084 But like the young man said, he wants to get the product off the ground.
When he has some success, he might be in a better position to negotiate better deals.
Wtf Theo and Peter are ones to talk when they try and include an entrepreneur’s other businesses into the mix too. You can’t sit there complaining that Richard is being greedy when they’re not willing to put money down themselves.
the boys just out the womb and its his first business. theyl slaughter older idiots
His relative inexperience with hanging out the landry shows. When it rains it very often gets redirected by the wind, thus coming in from the sides.
Also, if you're using an umbrella in the wind, you have to point it into the wind or it'll get flipped inside out and broken. This thing will just catch the wind like a sail and launch itself across your garden.
My question is, why was Peter yapping his mouth after he declared himself out? The negotiation had nothing to do with him.
"Let the guy speak", after he literally interrupted the negotiation.
No hes was right to speak.
@@davidmg1925 why? He already declared himself out. It wasn't his concern.
He was acting on being present to a display of what he clearly felt was a lack of integrity
@@ConnieGMK still not a good enough reason to interrupt a negotiation he's not involved in.
Totally agree with Richard , Peter is being an ass and it’s a shame Richard isn’t still there as he seems to be the only genuine dragon
I dunno…I didn’t like how vague Richard’s initial offer was. It seemed very quick and noncommittal (which turned out to be exactly the case since he changed his mind) and ultimately just led to confusion. Peter shouldn’t have attacked him like he did, but Richard was acting really weird.
@@michaelh9649 I don't feel 'Dickkie' was being vague/non-committal. I think it's generally called an "Expression of Interest." (Genuinely NOT being sarccy ✋🏽) With EOI's...the initial 'terms' are fluid. (Hence Richard seeming vague.) The terms are merely a starting point 4 negotiations.
Ultimately...regardless of wether Dickkie 'changed his mind' or not...the fact is he @ least made an offer. Peter did not. So Dickkie was putting his 💰 where his mouth was. While Pete was on the side trying 2 influence negotiations he clearly didn't want to be part of. (Get the feeling Peter DIDN'T like Richard. Personally.) Hence trying to stir it up.
So he changes his offer, and you think he is "GENUINE?"
Are you THICK?
Completely disagree, Richard was disingenuous
He said 15%
Then Deborah made an offer and he just piggybacked
I like how Richard stood his ground.
Love to see the confidence roger brought in with him and props to him for standing his ground and making a wise decision though he was influenced by some unseen circumstances
This comment does not take into account Brian's figures.
We can just add them up?... surely?
🤣
😂😂
Wind direction-agnostic product.
@Forever Changed look up 'dragons den postbox', Brians figures is an enduring meme from dragons den pitch, a pitch of legendary incompetence, if you haven't seen it your in for a treat
@@Sam-yr8ls Yep. Ongoing joke. Funny.
I always loved Richard. He seems very polite and classy. Yes Richard does give criticism, but he doesn’t seem to enjoy watching the entrepreneurs sweat in the way that the other dragons do
Richard changing his offer from 15 to 20, and this guy still didn't even negotitate at all. He probably could have gotten a better deal, but I guess he was just happy getting the help of two dragons
No way Deborah would've gone down. She even said so
@@shervink8998 Richard said he was willing to tho. Wouldn't have hurt to try atleast!
@@shervink8998 Would anyone ever want Deborah to go down? Even at her younger age in this episode. And for that reason, I AM OUT!
He simply wanted to match Deborah's offer which is where the confusion set in. Why would Deborah get 20% and Richard get 15% for the same price? But somehow Theo and Peter saw this as exploiting the entrepreneur
There is something finicky about negotiating deals especially when it's the only deal you have on the table which is that you can lose the deal altogether. I've seen it happen many times.
Richard Farley is so classy and clever, Debra and Peter feel small in comparison, hence the hostility. You can quite often see them eyeing him up critically in other episodes too,
Debra wasn’t hostile tho she invested with Richard…Debra was and is a brilliant dragon, Richard couldn’t hack the heat
don't think Debra disliked Richard, was more Peter and Theo
I think there was a HUGE personal beef between Peter & Theo vs Richard
Richard is hotter than fire, sexy and smooth. So the other men are hating a young stud is in the DEN
@@JazzyMarineVet lol richard look like a discontinued legolas doll
@@Staplegunner hahahha, so true. I cant help but laugh when I look at him lol
Richard had class and style
Your instincts are true. It's a little known fact that Peter hada dinner party back in 2006, maybe '07? and his partner Tara practically threw herself at Richard. This caused PJ to resent Richard for the remaining time he had on the show and also could have impacted his leaving the show.
4:40 helpful of him to mention the exact year. Makes my guess the year game so much easier.
Richard's hair looked fabulous in this episode!
Thanks for the laugh. I think that is the real takeaway from this pitch lol
I've never seen Peter and Theo do this to somebody else. Idk why they were ganging up on Richard when they're guilty of being greedy.
If I were Richard I’d have just said to peter well what are you still yapping for when you are now out, you are irrelevant
Exactly. Shocking that he was even allowed to speak.
@@TheKING-il3dx one rule for him another for the rest it seems
You can tell Richard was quite shocked. It amounts to Peter trying to sabotage his deal. Likely, Richard would have considered them both business friends until that moment. It was incredibly inappropriate of Peter to do that.
I'm Team Richard all the way.
As much as I love the show, the main-cast of Dragons can be huge jerks alot of the time.
Peter Jones is a bit of a bully, he tried bullying tage when he first turned up.
I'm surprised that absolutely no one question this product. This can only work it's raining without any wind. If it's raining and windy then the clothes will still get wet.
You put the clothes on leeward side
The first question I would ask is that rain never comes straight down, little bit of wind and the laundry is still wet.
Exactly what I thought.
"That brings me onto my second product RotaTent what you put it in" 😅
7:58 "Why don't you relax for a second?"
You can see Peter really twitch at that.
Peter really showed his insecurities in this one
He is such a hypocrite
Small Man Syndrome
@@theoneanton he’s actually a giant man
@@archiebarber9802 still acts like he has small man syndrome
It's staged
I think it was a good decision for the young Roger. He still has 60% of the company, the money he asked for, and not just one but two dragons. That's a lot.
The clothes will still get wet from wind-blown rain - it doesn't just fall vertically. Maybe an adaptation of this to double as a sun shade umbrella would increase usefulness.
I thought this.
Rain falls horizontally.
That’s what I thought too
Surely if you shelter the whole thing, there's no point in really having it?
11:27 look at this moment of unspoken understanding here between two gentleman who know bad form when they see it. Must be a nice thing to have.
Poor Roger just standing there uncertain what's going on while the dragons spit fire at each other.
As Theo pointed out, Roger was 21 years old here. It would have been very nerve wracking making the pitch and selling himself and the product without the dragons bickering and making things even harder for Roger. As Roger then said, this is his first project and he wanted to make it work so the knowledge and expertise that Richard and Deborah would bring to the table would be invaluable to him. 40% is a lot but fair play to the guy and Richard and Deborah and great contacts to have for future projects.
Exactly. He's getting mentored for that 40%.
Depends how much time they got for him!
What the hell is wrong with Peter and Theo? Jeez, they're so annoying!
Trying to help a young businessman
@@jonnil1997 Nonsense.
There’s a reason Peter is the most successful and most wealthy dragon.
Well done to the guy for such a brilliant, mature pitch ...and at only 21 too....I wish him much success...a wise,old head on young shoulders...!!.
I like how deborah just smartly stayed silent.
She didn't wanna get involved in the cat fight.
Everybody’s simping for Richard but honestly the way Duncan stood up for him near the end was really admirable. “Put your money where your mouth is.”
Peter is such a wombat at times. Clearly more interested in the media attention of this show than anything else
That's the name of the game
Hes a tool but a very rich tool
Simon cowell wannabe vibes I get from Peter
That's unfair to wombats
Peter and Theo are the sort of people who go to a yard sale and complain about all the stuff that is on offer. And proceed to have a go at those people who try to negotiate a cheap deal.
You know you're doing something right when you take your business to the den and the dragons start arguing with eachother lol
Wow at 21 years old, Roger is extremely bright and eloquent. 😄
21 and straight out of the 1940s. He wouldn't have looked out of place in Churchill's cabinet meeting.
Richard nearly got it, but the kid was really lucky none of the dragons questioned how ineffective this product would be in even the slightest wind. The rain would angle in toward the sides. Although this could be resolved by adding another section around the outside which is angled down and about a foot long.
Maybe, if you're trying to dry handkerchiefs or facecloths.
But jeans sweaters and shirts? They're still gonna get wet.
He did well to keep his composure whilst that was going on. Richard Farley is a good Investor. Peter and Theo really let themselves down with their behaviour. I'm not surprised Richard left the programme. Well done Rotamate 👍🇬🇧😊
I don't think he left, I read somewhere that he misses the show and wished he hadn't been driven out.
Peter was trying to warn the guy that he was being stiched up. That shows integrity, that the other two SHARKS failed to display.
The way Roger just stayed silent through most of that argument. Aside from that I think it's a good idea because it's a common problem and he is good young entrepreneur
Roger and Deborah both handled it well. You could see Deborah was annoyed and slightly shaking her head at Peter. And Roger was shocked but remained focused and professional. Both Peter and Theo could learn some manners and professional behaviour from Roger!
What a professional young man.
Is anyone else thinking, "This product only works if the rain is falling directly downwards"?
If the rainfall has even the slightest angle, this cover is useless.
Didn’t Richard covered that with his question on rain and speed?
@@chinmayravindrashah no, he got answer from the business owner but his answer was to no avail of the answer to the question entirely.
Still better than nothing?
Also won’t it create shade in direct sunlight slowing down the drying
@@lincoln7184 no, because that's same as you saying to me say something to him and i say hi.
you see what i meaning with not having anything to do with the business answer, which is therefor not good enough for loaners to get the company's liability to get the money back.
Duncan's reaction at 1:06 is priceless 😂😂
@MICHELLEENA MAKAVELI
Nopes, it's priceless.
I was DYINGGG with his and Theo’s face 😭😂🤣🤣
No wonder Richard left after this series
I don’t really see anything wrong with what Richard done to be honest he did say ‘around 15%’ depending on what the other dragons say, Debra said 20% so he matched it what’s the issue? Peter was out and had no need to keep interrupting the negotiations
Peter: I would like 100% of the business , I would also like 40% of the business you didn’t mention, did you bring a lunch today?
Rodger: uh yes a drink as well??
Peter: well I’d like 80% of that I’ll take the sandwich the Curley wurley the tea cake and crisps and leave you with 3/4 of a drink.
Peter: Did I tell you to stop sucking, boy?
I can't see how that would keep laundry dry from the weather...
How have I only found this golden video after watching about 50 hahahaha brilliant
:p
I feel like Dragons Den is more professional during heated moments than it’s American counterpart Shark tank.
i like the slower pace, the more thorough grilling, the focus on the numbers, and the selection of tons of candidates who really don’t know what they are doing.
Shark tank sucks and isnt funny. British tv is always always better.
@@matthewmoncada7162 reality shows sure, but not much else...
@@burtmacklin2525 you must be daft. The office, inbetweeners, weekenders youre joking obv
Different strokes for different folks, but of course im just daft... Lmao th-cam.com/video/Zyv4jGWEzxY/w-d-xo.html
Where I come from, there’s seldom rain without wind, so my washing would still get pretty soaked on that thing.
Cool story
My thoughts too.
Ridiculous! 🌧
I can't believe they didn't remind him that rain doesn't always fall exactly straight down.
@@jakeg9711 I’ve got plenty more where that came from if cool washing line related stories are your thing?
I was thinking the same, and I'm surprised more comments aren't saying it.
Roger is smart. He realises that 60% of something is better than 100% of nothing. I hope his product is doing well
He had 80% with Deborah's offer. But she failed to stipulate how much money she was willing to invest, before Farley stepped in, and took over the negotiation, ultimately stitching the guy up!
Deborah was in no rush to step in at that point, because she knew she was going to save herself £42.5k, and STILL get 20% of the business. Fekking Greedy SHEISTERS.
He’ll be about 40 now 😱
Checked him out and it looks like he’s had a good career in business and marketing.
The Rotamate disappeared after a few years.
He’ll do incredibly well in life because of this partnership alone now! Good lad!
prove he did i never seen this product til now
Now I understand why they got rid of Richard because the other Dragons definitely threw one after this but they should've kept him because he's great
Richard was the only one who stood up to Peter
Peter has looked like a fool so much times but his pride blinds him
Peter and Theo are unbearable sometimes, no wonder Richard left the show!
I disagree, i believe they were trying to protect a new maybe naive entrepreneur. Yeah its the dragons den but if they screw over everyone that comes in, especially a new guy, it would discourage him in the future.
There is a reason Peter has a business school.
Richard didn't leave, he wasn't invited back. The reasons for that are unknown.
@@arstulex Oh OK didn't know that, thanks
@@dazfenn Nope. Peter is famous for pushing people for bigger %. So no - nothing he has showed on this show speaks of "protecting".
Duncan had it completely right there at the end, "Put your money where your mouth is." You can't sit there talking about how bad an offer is, potentially ruining a deal that is still to be made, right after declaring yourself unwilling to make any sort of offer yourself. Poor form.
Duncan's a pretty standup character, coming to Richards support against the other two arrogant Dragon's is admirably.
Does anybody realise rain doesnt just fall down vertically? Even with this blanket, your laundry will get wetter. Let alone dry.
I’m surprised the dragons didn’t question the products effectiveness , surely if you got washing hanging close to the edges then rain will still easily get them wet 🤷🏼♂️
I'm wondering why they never asked further about the rain + wind problem. Surely if there is a slight breeze the rain will still get onto the clothes? It only appears to work if the rain is falling directly downward?
You do realise that water is more dense than those clothes.... and if the wind blows the water in one direction it's going to blow the clothes even more in that same direction. Look how a flag flies even when it's not that windy.
@@Darwinion so my chainmail won't get rusty?
@@Darwinion humans are less dense than water and yet when the wind blows rain moves a lot more than I do.
That and the clothes are attached to a fixed pivot point.
They're going to get soaked regardless.
Rain doesn't often go straight down.
If it rains, doesn't the clothes become moist anyway and also rain just doesn't come down straight. The most absurd idea ever.
21 is amazing, what a brilliant young man. Most 21 year olds are gurning in nightclubs, he’ll even most 33 year olds are, proud of this young man!
9:42 is why I love Richard and I wish he had stayed in the show
He works at a lions farm in Africa now. He loves nature.
Interesting that Peter and Theo recognise that 40% is a huge amount of equity here, yet they ask for it frequently. Theo’s reasoning here is that Roger was only 21, so maybe they only go after people they think should know better? I haven’t seen enough of these older episodes to be sure, but I wonder if it’s that or if they just got more ruthless with time.
“For a 15% stake in a business”
What business? Nobody knows. But he’s gonna tell you about his anyway
I thought Deborah's offer was for all of the money, not half? Does she say its for half and I just missed it?
I'm confused
True. She doesn’t say for the full funding
Yes. she never mentioned for half the money. If the entrepreneur didnt notice that wow then he got robbed even if we consider he didn't negotiate
Think its just poor editing. This is like an hr+ pitch that they just cut to the air time and then cut even further for these YT clips. So it was probably clearer before. Being that Richard already said he was going half for 15% I assume the other dragons were coming in on that investment unless they stated otherwise.
Yea i think there was far more edited out than was shown ... bits of that negotiation are clearly missing...not sure why
Impressive young man. Deal didnt go through and company wound up in 2010. Putting a sail up in the back garden may be why, a flying close dryer can do a lot of damage and may result in a law suit
That guy was not ready for all the bickering, he looked like he was gonna cry at one point after peter told him to question them :p
That was probably his introduction to the real world of business.
@@cun7us :p
I'm pretty sure I've seen these around the Toronto area, in people's back yards. That is pretty awesome, I hope this guy is living well
This is like Pinkman sitting at the dinner table in between Walt and Skylar.
whatever happened to truth in advertising?
These beans are amazing
mummy and daddy are fighting :(