Ghost rider!!! (Maybe the nic cage one? It'd make sense with the all 3 of them being older marvel film characters and Idk how this version scales but ghost rider in general is powerful as fuck lol)
interviewer: so who's stronger between your spider-man and hugh jackman's wolverine? tobey: well if he used his adamantium claws he might give me a little trouble. interviewer: but would you lose? tobey: nah, i'd win.
Tobey is just too strong, fast and has higher blunt force durability. One punch and Wolverine is knocked out. However, spidey is dead if Wolverine is lucky enough to slash him.
@@joaoglesou4527 It's complicated because the only physical feat of Strange I saw was in Nwh tanking a pumpkin bomb to the face casually The pumpkin bombs are calculated at city block level and did not cause any discomfort or damage to Stephen, and is consistent with a feat performed by Lizard in a TASM 1 tie-in comic.
@@Mr_Wayne2012bro recuerda que tom escala con cull obsidian y cull obsidian derrotó a hulkbuster y hulkbuster derrotó a Hulk y hulk derrotó a thor base y con mijolnir Y nada más un thor base ya podía resistir el poder de una estrella de neutrones Y un thor con mijolnir hacer cenizas la gema de la realidad y incluso escalar con malekif con la gema de realidad y digo esto porque la gema se menciona que oscurecería todo el universo y además que con todas las demás gemas se crearon en el bing bang Por lo que thor base=estelar Thor mijolnir=universal Tobey Andrew Tom =universal En velocidad serían mftl ya que thor peleó contra malekif viajando entre planetas y además salvo a Loki de un agujero negro asique si Los 3 Spiderman >phase 1 y phase 2
@@CRISIS_COMICS No he doesn't literally say that. He says he wanted him to be more part of the team. Why would Logan care so much about them if he never even knew them? Why would he have a suit made for him? Why would he name drop all them? No need for sass homie still a good video.
@@insidethesquaredcirclewith9797 spiderman hold back a lot . That’s why he always gets his ass kicked . But a Spider-Man that doesn’t hold back will dodge every move you make on him and put a web cartridge in your mouth and you’re done even for wolverine. But this is tobey Spider-Man vs hugh jackmans wolverine. Spider-Man would still win . Jackman Wolverine is too slow .
@@cristhianramirez6939 i love wolverine more but spidey can literally stop trains and pick up cars and stuff that wolverine cant do as far as i know. wolverine's adamantium makes it too difficult for him in my opinion
@@merasoul6520 Dude, wolvie goes toe to toe with hulk and eats his strongest punches and keeps fighting. On the other hand hulk holds back severely against Spiderman because he knows one punch too hard and Peter is dead. Spiderman strenght is a no factor here, not until you are juggernaut levels of strong
Working theory is that “Worstverine” had those memory flashes because he was connected to Deadpool both connected to nova so he peered into wades memories of Logan and he apparently only lived out some similar events as Old man Logan
Tobey does have a stronger healing factor than Captain America like all the other spiderman so he might be able to survive a few critical hits from wolverine like he did from no way home and walked like it was nothing
Logan moving at the speed of light is a representation of everything wrong with power scaling xD. The guy got shot in the head with a bullet like a normal person, got stabbed countless times with a katana by a normal human (ninja), and couldn’t react to an ambush in x1.
I agree on same note, I think anytime ( and any version) of Spidey dodge lighting or laser it should probably be atributed to his Spider Sense rather than his speed.
@@TheTenzen12 100% agree. His videos are enjoyable and I love the idea of thinking through who would win in character battles, but I really think some of the power scaling "logic" is questionable. I put logic in quotes because it's all fictional anyway, so if it's his interpretation, then whatever. But I also agree that Spidey is not dodging the lightning itself. He's aim-timing Electro's arm and position using his senses and moving out of the position Electro is firing at before he even starts to fire. Different concept than moving while the bolt is in mid-flight. On another-another note: although I can't definitively prove it, I feel like Scott's optic blasts would be "heavier" and slower than light speed.
We need to stop holding what directors say as word. I’m starting to think some of them have no idea what they are talking about and just chatting in interviews
In my head cannon, X-men 1 and 2 wolverine is nerfed from being fucked up on barbituates like Charles mentions in Logan. It explains how he seems slower and easier to knock out than he usually does in the other films where he's still young and in his prime
I don't know, it was kind weird to do a whole section about how Wolverine scaling to the Pheonix's reality transcending power or Cassandra's Multiverse bomb being very dubious due to him being consistently harmed and knocked out by far weaker attacks. Then make the whole crux of Tobey winning be a massive scaling chain from Tom Spidey holding back a few hits from Cull Obsidian that get him to Country-Planet levels of power. When Tom Spidey has also been consistently damaged and hurt by far weaker foes and has little to no other feats that gets him that high. Let alone Tobey Spidey himself who entirely relies on scaling Tom Spidey to get him to those extreme levels of power. Your argument at the end of how ridiculous Multiversal Wolverine and Deadpool would also mean Ajax, DP Juggernaut, and Colossus would also be put at such levels when that could be spun around about how Tom Spidey scaling suddenly makes their rogues (like TASM Lizard, Raimi Venom, New Goblin/TASM Goblin, and MCU Vulture) suddenly also be able to make Country levels of power despite what they have shown in the films themselves. Overall, I think the more conservative City Level Movie Spider-Men is a more reliable place to put them. FTL Electro I also find contentious given its seemingly just comes from one offhand quote from the director when Electro is based on and uses pure electricity in combat which by itself doesn't get towards Lightspeed but if I am remembering, there at least other scaling that could get the Spideys to FTL.
Tom was only ever harmed by weaker means when he himself either hadn't unlocked his full power or when his abilities were on the fritz. That's the difference; plus Logan was amped against the Phoenix and he would have died at the end of DP3 if he was alone. Not a massive chain at all, less than a handful of characters that all definitively scale to one another on screen. Tom scales to Cull in IW and Endgame, two movies worth of showings. Tobey definitively scales to Tom, I don't see how that being the crux of the argument at all defeats the point that it's the case. TASM Lizard grows stronger every day, with the NWH final battle being 12 hours from his initial arrival at an unspecified point in the TASM-verse, Raimi Harry for sure upscales above Norman and therefore Tom, Raimi Venom upscales, TASM Goblin was deftly beaten by a heavily fatigued post-Electro-battle Andrew so he doesn't scale to Cull at all, and MCU Vulture lost to an injured Tom Holland who was also holding back on his love interest's human father. Electricity can fall within 90% the speed of light, so Webb is accurate: www.sciencefocus.com/science/how-fast-does-electricity-flow#:~:text=It's%20the%20electromagnetic%20wave%20rippling,%E2%80%93%20about%20270%2C000%20km%2Fs.
@@CRISIS_COMICS You ran into too many inconsistencies from the creators of the different films. Power scaling varies based on who the writer/directors decide wins. It's fun to search for feats but you definitely went overboard there. Am I really expected to believe that the Green Goblin scales to Thor power levels?
@@juanalderete3937 I never said he's definitively planetary. Also lifting strength is a totally different factor than striking or durability. Characters that can punch planets away can also struggle lifting far less.
@@juanalderete3937 Remember when Gor slammed Thor into a car and didn't destroy it? Or how Hulk choked out Abomination with regular chains and they didn't snap? Tobey also got right back up and kicked apart that same Sandman fist. LOL
Spider-Man can just web him up so he can’t move and then wins by submission. If he needs a ko though, he can just pound on Wolverine while he’s webbed up
Or he just webs up Logan's entire head and lets him suffocate. Logan can't get the webbing off without slicing up his own head and Peter can literally just keep webbing him up as he does so (or web his claws to his face/head).
Sometimes scaling can be a bit wonky. Like Tom’s spidey overpowering cull & then the whole scaling cull to hulkbuster & then to AOU Hulk & Thor is kinda iffy considering the Hulkbuster 2.0 that cull fought was already damaged by outriders, couldn’t replace its parts like the mark 1 & cull was only really tearing it apart with his weapons (hammer & arm replacement). This upscale of Tom & therefore Tobey’s villains in physical stats would fly in the face of say for example aunt may cracking Doc octopus in the face with her umbrella & harming him.
Nope! Cull dented the Mk2's helmet and wrist with physical strikes, not his weapons. Plus Cull was already taking attacks from the Mk. 50, which is more powerful than the Mk1 Hulkbuster regardless. Not to mention, Cull is clearly stronger than the same Outriders who swarmed the Mk2, so I don't know what that point of yours means ultimately. May caught Ock offguard, plain and simple; Ock withstood the electricity powering a small fusion reactor in the same movie.
I think Brainiac as a whole had more impressive technology and goes up against stronger foes on average more often than Ultron. But I don’t know to many feats for either one of them to be honest.
This would have been much more interesting if it was Wolverine versus Spiderman but ignoring the iffy No Way Home scaling xd. Although technically it's not iffy, Spider-Man scaling to any form of Thor or Hulk, or even Ironman for that matter just doesn't sit right. Although even from the Original Trilogy Tobey still should overpower Wolverine. Anyways good video!
Oh, and another thing. In the same movie, Tony's suit is damaged by falling cars in the airport. Tom's Spidey is seen in a TH-cam video stopping a car from hitting a bus. This is before he has fought any real super villains. Remember this is all within the same film. Spider-Man is not beating Thor or Hulk, but he can absolutely beat Tony and Cap
everyone's just going to forget that superior spiderman got mad at wolverine so he one tap knocked him out basically also how in secret wars base spidey soloed the x men (including wolverine) without even trying
Adamantium would cut through the webs. Lets be honest, wolverine has actual,.military and war experiences when compared to a guy who uses science fair projects. The only thing that gives Tobey's Spiderman the edge is his strength and limitless supply of webs. Still love Tobey Macguire Spiderman, but i gotta give the win to hugh Jackman.
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hey crisis I'm genuinely curious on your thoughts on Deadpool scaling to tva agents( when he killed them with the skeleton) who in turn scale to Loki and his variants ?
Loki and Sylvie go on to squad wipe the TVA in the same show, the Loki that B-15 beat just came off of a fight with Thor and it was after Hulk had laid into him. The TVA don't scale to Loki.
@@CRISIS_COMICSI’m genuinely curious on something as well, Crisis. Why are you accepting the lore stating Mystique is a master martial artist when that lore is clearly contradicted? The fact that Wolverine can trade with her despite how he fights is a contradiction, and in response to this being called out in another comment, which goes into more detail about why it’s contradicted, you said, “Per the lore, Mystique is a master martial artist and Wolverine can trade blows with her; however advanced you this choreography is or not.” If the choragraphy doesn't reflect the level of skill that the statement is suggesting for both characters when they’re fighting, then the statement is contradicted, and guess what? The choreography does not reflect the level of skill the statement is suggesting. That comment just tells me that you blatantly disregarded the primary canon material showing how they actual fight to prioritize the statement, which is the secondary canon. The primary canon takes precedence. The secondary canon MUST align with it, and if it doesn’t, then we disregard it and prioritize the material in the primary canon.
If Wolverine and Spider-Man we're real than it would depend on the environment. In a small closed room Spider-Man would loose otherwise he would win. Spider-Man would dodge attacks too easily because of his spider sense and he can attack from above and from far away.
18:10 Wolverine's adamantium in Logan wasn't diluting. Adamantium doesn't work like that, if we're being realistic then yes, it should be diluting or breaking down in order to get into his blood stream and poison him but it's adamantium we're talking about. Saying that, Deadpool didn't break Logan's skeleton, he was disarticulating it, if you have some anatomy knowledge, you can see the rib was only separated from the skeleton, not broken off.
"Adamantium doesn't work like that" is not an argument. He breaks the rib halfway through, plus all of the other bones he's pulling apart which no other villain has been able to do throughout every battle with the OG Wolverine. X24 proves Old Man Logan's bones were weaker.
@@CRISIS_COMICS it is an argument since adamantium is impervious to pretty much everything, including rust and being dissolved lol. X-24 didn't prove anything. Deadpool didn't break the rib, he literally just separated it by where it articulates with the spine and the costal cartilage. If you don't believe me go watch a few anatomy images of the ribs to see how they work and go back and see that scene. Also no villain was ever able to do that because... Well... Reasons, but Wolverine has been dismembered quite a few times in the last 3 years in the comics since his joints are still only held together by ligamentos not made out of adamantium. You can even see this when Deadpool uses a leg to decapitate a TVA soldier, if you watch very closely, he stretches the ligaments of the knee, wraps the guy's neck with it and pull's very hard, even breaking the ligaments, you could argue this was only possible because Logan's ligaments were already almost completely decompossed and they lost most of their strength, making it a lot easier to separate his skeleton in individual bones.
@@elpogio4890 No. He breaks the rib off of the middle section, pure bone. "Reasons", you are bad at this. Comics =/= movies. From the Logan screenplay: "As for our hero with his so-called eternal life and healing. Well, he’s older now. If you keep reading, you’ll discover Logan’s about to get his ass kicked. But before we get to that, we should make it clear his abilities ain’t what they were. Yes, he’s a drunk, but he’s also fading on the inside. Adamantium implants leeching into his system, causing chronic pain and diminished healing, hence booze as painkiller." Leaching is defined as: When a chemical substance leaches or is leached from a material, especially soil, it is removed by the action of water passing through the material. In the FOX films, adamantium does in fact "work like that". Plus X24's bones were weaker than Origins Wolverine, and Old Man Logan was weaker than X24. Sorry to break it to you.
@@CRISIS_COMICS okay, let's say you're right about Logan's bones getting weaker. Still Deadpool didn't break the rib, he separated it from the joints, i could see it FROM YOUR VIDEO just by pausing it at the right moment, i know how ribs work, hell i know how your entire body works and Wade just separated the rib from the skeleton, didn't break it, even when he's about to throw the rib you can see it is complete (you need to know the anatomy of a rib to notice). Sorry to break it to you.
I mean it makes Sense, since Tobey took and does the most damage in his verse. While Fox Wolverine was more on in the grounded level, during his fights. Basically what I'm saying is, that it depends on how fantastical the verse would be given by the studio
I know the new Wolverine acting as a new anchor being is something that we can assume, but have we forgotten about the incursions and the entire plot of Multiverse of Madness?
Bro if the Hulk did the same shoulder bump to that car the same thing would happen. Do you understand how gravity works? Also metal can't be bent like that so it was a realistic small bump bc Wolverine wasn't trying to destroy the car just shake up Deadpool!
Surviving a nuke has nothing to do with being beat . Someone who knows how to swim can still lose to someone who doesn’t know how to swim in a fist fight .
@@rpmblack7892 oh it has nothing to do with what you say . I’m just saying jackman wolverine survived a nuke and tobey spiderman might not But that doesn’t mean wolverine can’t lose to spiderman .
The writers said the two had friction and didn't trust each other at first, then the script states they moved at equal speed before Tobey quickly webs up Andrew which leaves him impressed. Wolverine couldn't do that.
Could you do a video on Hawkeye vs. green arrow? I am really curious on who would win. For me, I think they are super tied but leaning towards Hawkeye.
9:50 There is a scene in TASM 2 where Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man follows electro in his "lighting" form", something like a quick race. Andrew could keep up with electro just by webswinging. Does that means his Travel Speed is close to the speed of light?
@@CRISIS_COMICS Hey man. I heard that in Avengers 1 Thor was actually weakened in the whole film because of the dark magic that sent him to Earth. Wouldn't that affect the scaling of Cull Obsidian?
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Depend what type of fight A misunderstanding on the street or casual fight: spiderman wins, agility and speed gives him the edge To the death: suppose Wolverine is manipulated and thinks spiderman is sabretooth, he wins. Regen and claws gives him victory, He fights the hulk, spiderman is nothing
All them surviving said energy means is their survivability is higher than Cassandra's thanks to their healing factors, Deadpool even credits their survival to this so I don't think it's dubious as it doesn't need to have anything to do with durability
3:21 27 tons of force can wipe away a city block? Also if she can do that, then why wasn’t that area decimated much much more than the little dent in the concrete she made?
So basically what we got here is basically the same outcome as the comics versions fighting each other except movie Logan fares so much worse against Movie Spider-Man than comics Logan does against comics Spider-Man that it becomes laughably one sided in this case.
Statements also put logan over jean, so do with that what you will (The only one in the verse being more powerful than him being charles by that statement also)
I don't think Wolverine's actually the most powerful, or even top 10 really. Juggernaut's stronger, as an example. Plus the novelization says Jean would've eventually pulled apart even an amped Logan's adamantium given enough time.
And on top of that the worst Wolverine has been alive for more than 200+ years whereas in the Logan film that Wolverine was only around 170 years. So if a 200+ Wolverine is able to move with that speed and force, unlike the Fox version who can't move as fast
Circe transmuted it into adamantium, it doesn't scale to the Celestials original skin or durability. Plus, not all adamantium across the multiverse is equal, just like the characters.
Very interesting choice of combatants and solid work as usual. Would you be willing to do a video of how Fox Logan and/or Bana Hulk would do against the (original) 7 roster from The Boys? P.S.) Netflix/MCU Daredevil vs Black Noir from The Boys?
@@CRISIS_COMICS which hulk lost said fight and was getting majorly pressed An improved hulkbuster was pressed by cull obsidian. Same cull obsidian that a pre-far home spidey could casually block attacks So yeah You lost me on that one
@@CRISIS_COMICS in the 2 times theyve fought thor has gone easy on hulk while hulk went straight to So current hulk is supposed to scale to current thor Even tho mcu hulk has no backings for such a thing? I call bs
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Ghost rider!!! (Maybe the nic cage one? It'd make sense with the all 3 of them being older marvel film characters and Idk how this version scales but ghost rider in general is powerful as fuck lol)
10:50 Cap was confirmed to have been going easy on Peter
interviewer: so who's stronger between your spider-man and hugh jackman's wolverine?
tobey: well if he used his adamantium claws he might give me a little trouble.
interviewer: but would you lose?
tobey: nah, i'd win.
LMAO TRUUUUE
Okay but watch him get cut in half
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the honda being universal would be hilarious
what is the honda universe what am i missing out on
In the Showa era of Godzilla, a car is multiversal.
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@@MExperiences I was going to mention that. XD
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the chills and aura from that line damn
Who’s willing to bet that Secret Wars is gonna throw a tiffy in this scaling
Unless they have a bloodlusted fight or one of them randomly scales to Doom, it's unlikely
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The moment when tobey and hugh finally meet will be such a legendary moment!
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The fact that Tobey's Spider-Man loses to Hugh Jackman's Wolverine without MCU scaling is crazy
Tobey is just too strong, fast and has higher blunt force durability. One punch and Wolverine is knocked out. However, spidey is dead if Wolverine is lucky enough to slash him.
Given healing factor I doubt it's possible to knock out wolverine.
@@luigithemaniac3840 pretty sure wolverine got knocked out when he was shot in the skull with an adamantium bullet..
@@luigithemaniac3840brother did you not watch the video at all, lol he showed multiple instances back to back
@@merasoul6520 Spidey doesn't have adamantium bullets though or even use guns.
@@luvedrage3578 True however the movies are very inconsistent as he absorbs hits and bullets far stronger than Sabretooth's log through the films.
Planetary lizard and planetary Andrew thats fucking crazy
Then the other 2 would be planetary. That's actually.... AMAZING
@@joaoglesou4527 It's complicated because the only physical feat of Strange I saw was in Nwh tanking a pumpkin bomb to the face casually
The pumpkin bombs are calculated at city block level and did not cause any discomfort or damage to Stephen, and is consistent with a feat performed by Lizard in a TASM 1 tie-in comic.
Both are city block to small mountain level
@@FantasticFourJohnnyStorm Country Level he scales to Tom but is Weaker then Tobey the Goat obv
@@Mr_Wayne2012bro recuerda que tom escala con cull obsidian y cull obsidian derrotó a hulkbuster y hulkbuster derrotó a Hulk y hulk derrotó a thor base y con mijolnir
Y nada más un thor base ya podía resistir el poder de una estrella de neutrones
Y un thor con mijolnir hacer cenizas la gema de la realidad y incluso escalar con malekif con la gema de realidad y digo esto porque la gema se menciona que oscurecería todo el universo y además que con todas las demás gemas se crearon en el bing bang
Por lo que thor base=estelar
Thor mijolnir=universal
Tobey Andrew Tom =universal
En velocidad serían mftl ya que thor peleó contra malekif viajando entre planetas y además salvo a Loki de un agujero negro asique si
Los 3 Spiderman >phase 1 y phase 2
Babe new Crisis powerscaling.
"Would you win?"
Tobey: Nad I'll throw dirt in his eye
Wolverine: Are you okay, bub?
Spider-Man: Yeah, I've been stabbed before.
22:20 holy shiiit!!! Was that intentional? 😂 This movie gets so meta at points that it might just be.
It's pretty blatant.
2:30 I didn't know Solid Snake wrote two X-Men movies! So technically it's canon Soild Snake knows the X-men!
15:53 He totally joined the X Men. That line is just saying they wanted him to be more of a team player and what not
0%, not at all. He would not join the team.
@@CRISIS_COMICS No idea how you came to that conclusion man. Quite the leap when the movie never says that.
Still good video though
@@PaladinJackal I'm with you on this one
@@PaladinJackalHe literally says they wanted him to join and he wouldn’t. I don’t know, you just have seen a bugged copy of the movie.
@@CRISIS_COMICS No he doesn't literally say that. He says he wanted him to be more part of the team. Why would Logan care so much about them if he never even knew them? Why would he have a suit made for him? Why would he name drop all them?
No need for sass homie still a good video.
Good to know that my goat wins.
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Raimi really did make one of the best Spider-Man not only in live action but across marvel in general. Dudes an absolute beast
Spiderman if he’s not holding back . Wolverine won’t even land a hit .
Nahh
False Spiderman in the comics noted wolverine can keep up with him
@@insidethesquaredcirclewith9797 spiderman hold back a lot . That’s why he always gets his ass kicked . But a Spider-Man that doesn’t hold back will dodge every move you make on him and put a web cartridge in your mouth and you’re done even for wolverine. But this is tobey Spider-Man vs hugh jackmans wolverine. Spider-Man would still win . Jackman Wolverine is too slow .
@@yerxiong123Stop with “he holds back” nonsense. Spider man fanboys are worse than Batman fanboys with the “prep time” nonsense
@@LegendXD00 it’s not an excuse it’s just straight facts .
At the end of the day, Spider-Man is much stronger, tougher and faster.
So for a knockout fight, Spider-Man absolutely wins.
Tougher? are you sure?
@@cristhianramirez6939 i love wolverine more but spidey can literally stop trains and pick up cars and stuff that wolverine cant do as far as i know. wolverine's adamantium makes it too difficult for him in my opinion
@@cristhianramirez6939 yea he is all wolverine has is has is hax over spidey
@@merasoul6520 Dude, wolvie goes toe to toe with hulk and eats his strongest punches and keeps fighting. On the other hand hulk holds back severely against Spiderman because he knows one punch too hard and Peter is dead. Spiderman strenght is a no factor here, not until you are juggernaut levels of strong
The champion has a father, his name was Ben Parker
Working theory is that “Worstverine” had those memory flashes because he was connected to Deadpool both connected to nova so he peered into wades memories of Logan and he apparently only lived out some similar events as Old man Logan
Tobey does have a stronger healing factor than Captain America like all the other spiderman so he might be able to survive a few critical hits from wolverine like he did from no way home and walked like it was nothing
Logan moving at the speed of light is a representation of everything wrong with power scaling xD. The guy got shot in the head with a bullet like a normal person, got stabbed countless times with a katana by a normal human (ninja), and couldn’t react to an ambush in x1.
power scaling is all bullshit and everyone knows it
I agree on same note, I think anytime ( and any version) of Spidey dodge lighting or laser it should probably be atributed to his Spider Sense rather than his speed.
Funny how your name is just Wojak
@@TheTenzen12 100% agree. His videos are enjoyable and I love the idea of thinking through who would win in character battles, but I really think some of the power scaling "logic" is questionable. I put logic in quotes because it's all fictional anyway, so if it's his interpretation, then whatever.
But I also agree that Spidey is not dodging the lightning itself. He's aim-timing Electro's arm and position using his senses and moving out of the position Electro is firing at before he even starts to fire. Different concept than moving while the bolt is in mid-flight.
On another-another note: although I can't definitively prove it, I feel like Scott's optic blasts would be "heavier" and slower than light speed.
@@TheTenzen12even if he dodges it because of his spider sense he still physically needs to move out of the way
We need to stop holding what directors say as word. I’m starting to think some of them have no idea what they are talking about and just chatting in interviews
In my head cannon, X-men 1 and 2 wolverine is nerfed from being fucked up on barbituates like Charles mentions in Logan. It explains how he seems slower and easier to knock out than he usually does in the other films where he's still young and in his prime
Can Logan’s healing factor recover from having some dirt in his eye?
9:32 Tobey has become the very thing he swore to destroy.
I don't know, it was kind weird to do a whole section about how Wolverine scaling to the Pheonix's reality transcending power or Cassandra's Multiverse bomb being very dubious due to him being consistently harmed and knocked out by far weaker attacks. Then make the whole crux of Tobey winning be a massive scaling chain from Tom Spidey holding back a few hits from Cull Obsidian that get him to Country-Planet levels of power. When Tom Spidey has also been consistently damaged and hurt by far weaker foes and has little to no other feats that gets him that high. Let alone Tobey Spidey himself who entirely relies on scaling Tom Spidey to get him to those extreme levels of power. Your argument at the end of how ridiculous Multiversal Wolverine and Deadpool would also mean Ajax, DP Juggernaut, and Colossus would also be put at such levels when that could be spun around about how Tom Spidey scaling suddenly makes their rogues (like TASM Lizard, Raimi Venom, New Goblin/TASM Goblin, and MCU Vulture) suddenly also be able to make Country levels of power despite what they have shown in the films themselves.
Overall, I think the more conservative City Level Movie Spider-Men is a more reliable place to put them.
FTL Electro I also find contentious given its seemingly just comes from one offhand quote from the director when Electro is based on and uses pure electricity in combat which by itself doesn't get towards Lightspeed but if I am remembering, there at least other scaling that could get the Spideys to FTL.
Tom was only ever harmed by weaker means when he himself either hadn't unlocked his full power or when his abilities were on the fritz. That's the difference; plus Logan was amped against the Phoenix and he would have died at the end of DP3 if he was alone. Not a massive chain at all, less than a handful of characters that all definitively scale to one another on screen. Tom scales to Cull in IW and Endgame, two movies worth of showings. Tobey definitively scales to Tom, I don't see how that being the crux of the argument at all defeats the point that it's the case. TASM Lizard grows stronger every day, with the NWH final battle being 12 hours from his initial arrival at an unspecified point in the TASM-verse, Raimi Harry for sure upscales above Norman and therefore Tom, Raimi Venom upscales, TASM Goblin was deftly beaten by a heavily fatigued post-Electro-battle Andrew so he doesn't scale to Cull at all, and MCU Vulture lost to an injured Tom Holland who was also holding back on his love interest's human father. Electricity can fall within 90% the speed of light, so Webb is accurate: www.sciencefocus.com/science/how-fast-does-electricity-flow#:~:text=It's%20the%20electromagnetic%20wave%20rippling,%E2%80%93%20about%20270%2C000%20km%2Fs.
Going from Tobey Spidey to Tom Spidey, to Cal Obsidian, to the Hulk buster, to Hulk, to Thor is definitely a reach
If a scaling chain extends beyond one character you just can't handle it? All of those people fight one another on screen.
@@CRISIS_COMICS You ran into too many inconsistencies from the creators of the different films. Power scaling varies based on who the writer/directors decide wins. It's fun to search for feats but you definitely went overboard there. Am I really expected to believe that the Green Goblin scales to Thor power levels?
@@RadioHPedroS Why is that impossible? The feats support it.
@@juanalderete3937 I never said he's definitively planetary. Also lifting strength is a totally different factor than striking or durability. Characters that can punch planets away can also struggle lifting far less.
@@juanalderete3937 Remember when Gor slammed Thor into a car and didn't destroy it? Or how Hulk choked out Abomination with regular chains and they didn't snap? Tobey also got right back up and kicked apart that same Sandman fist. LOL
This was a super good breakdown video of em both man much respect
Never been this early, I can already tell this one is gonna be a banger.
Hey Crisis want to learn Jason Voorhees scaling?
Spider-Man can just web him up so he can’t move and then wins by submission. If he needs a ko though, he can just pound on Wolverine while he’s webbed up
Or he just webs up Logan's entire head and lets him suffocate. Logan can't get the webbing off without slicing up his own head and Peter can literally just keep webbing him up as he does so (or web his claws to his face/head).
@@OmniGmantrueee
Sometimes scaling can be a bit wonky. Like Tom’s spidey overpowering cull & then the whole scaling cull to hulkbuster & then to AOU Hulk & Thor is kinda iffy considering the Hulkbuster 2.0 that cull fought was already damaged by outriders, couldn’t replace its parts like the mark 1 & cull was only really tearing it apart with his weapons (hammer & arm replacement). This upscale of Tom & therefore Tobey’s villains in physical stats would fly in the face of say for example aunt may cracking Doc octopus in the face with her umbrella & harming him.
Nope! Cull dented the Mk2's helmet and wrist with physical strikes, not his weapons. Plus Cull was already taking attacks from the Mk. 50, which is more powerful than the Mk1 Hulkbuster regardless. Not to mention, Cull is clearly stronger than the same Outriders who swarmed the Mk2, so I don't know what that point of yours means ultimately. May caught Ock offguard, plain and simple; Ock withstood the electricity powering a small fusion reactor in the same movie.
Spiderman could bfr Wolverine,strangle or just literally just knock bro out and Logan wouldn’t be able to do anything about it
Make cole macgrowth vs all for one a good hero vs villain power scaling video
Wolverine struggled with an old man in a mech-suit...... literally Spider-Man's 2nd big foe in this universe.
I guess Octopus arms aren't actually a mech suit. But fuck, same difference at this point.
“Quick, make this match before Logan gets upscailed higher than Tobey”
Never gonna' happen lel
Very unlikely lmao Wolverine has never been stronger than spiderman lol just more durable
Indeed. Wolverine is all about regen and durability, while Spider-Man is about speed, strength and agility.
@@alexproctor524 during the 2000s era
He was town level and tobey multi city block level at best
@@Mr_Wayne2012 he was not lol 2000s Logan gets folded like an omelette by a spider he wouldn’t even be able to hit
Here comes a Death Battle between Ultron from Marvel vs Brainiac from DC. Who do you guys think would win?
Remember this is just for fun.
Not sure too much about comics Ultron but I'm rooting for braniac in this one
Brainiac is basically a smarter, more dangerous version of ultron.
I think Brainiac as a whole had more impressive technology and goes up against stronger foes on average more often than Ultron. But I don’t know to many feats for either one of them to be honest.
In a knockout I’ll say Tobey got it
Yo the death maybe not but Spider-Man is weaving
This would have been much more interesting if it was Wolverine versus Spiderman but ignoring the iffy No Way Home scaling xd. Although technically it's not iffy, Spider-Man scaling to any form of Thor or Hulk, or even Ironman for that matter just doesn't sit right. Although even from the Original Trilogy Tobey still should overpower Wolverine. Anyways good video!
Spider-Man scaling to Iron Man isn't far off. Bucky's arm rips out the arc reactor, and Tom's Spidey stops his punch with one hand (in the same movie)
Oh, and another thing. In the same movie, Tony's suit is damaged by falling cars in the airport. Tom's Spidey is seen in a TH-cam video stopping a car from hitting a bus. This is before he has fought any real super villains. Remember this is all within the same film.
Spider-Man is not beating Thor or Hulk, but he can absolutely beat Tony and Cap
Crisis wins, with that sweet pair of Raycons
Always love seeing your videos.
I always love seeing people enjoying them!
Finally got around to watching peak content
Remember Deadpool had a new suit, so he may be stronger in that film.
If you are nothing without your suit, you are nothing.
-Tony stark
everyone's just going to forget that superior spiderman got mad at wolverine so he one tap knocked him out basically also how in secret wars base spidey soloed the x men (including wolverine) without even trying
Tobey the goat!
I believe that once they have an on screen cameo, they may be shown to be relative in combat. But not relative in power.
We have had many Spider-Men and now we have many Wolverines. But you can’t beat the OGs.
what wolverines?😂
Adamantium would cut through the webs. Lets be honest, wolverine has actual,.military and war experiences when compared to a guy who uses science fair projects. The only thing that gives Tobey's Spiderman the edge is his strength and limitless supply of webs. Still love Tobey Macguire Spiderman, but i gotta give the win to hugh Jackman.
Watch the video before commenting
W piece of work as always Crisis.
Thank you so much!
*Crisis:* "puts his sweat and blood into this video and finally uploads it"
*Us:* We're gonna be okay... You can rest now...
*Crisis:* "Smiles and goes to a deep sleep"
I ain't leavin'!
Sorry I'm late. Awesome video man
No worries, and thanks.
(Origin-Future past) Wolverine vs (DP&W) Wolverine
hey crisis I'm genuinely curious on your thoughts on Deadpool scaling to tva agents( when he killed them with the skeleton) who in turn scale to Loki and his variants ?
Loki and Sylvie go on to squad wipe the TVA in the same show, the Loki that B-15 beat just came off of a fight with Thor and it was after Hulk had laid into him. The TVA don't scale to Loki.
@@CRISIS_COMICSI’m genuinely curious on something as well, Crisis. Why are you accepting the lore stating Mystique is a master martial artist when that lore is clearly contradicted? The fact that Wolverine can trade with her despite how he fights is a contradiction, and in response to this being called out in another comment, which goes into more detail about why it’s contradicted, you said, “Per the lore, Mystique is a master martial artist and Wolverine can trade blows with her; however advanced you this choreography is or not.” If the choragraphy doesn't reflect the level of skill that the statement is suggesting for both characters when they’re fighting, then the statement is contradicted, and guess what? The choreography does not reflect the level of skill the statement is suggesting. That comment just tells me that you blatantly disregarded the primary canon material showing how they actual fight to prioritize the statement, which is the secondary canon. The primary canon takes precedence. The secondary canon MUST align with it, and if it doesn’t, then we disregard it and prioritize the material in the primary canon.
Spiderman in the comics can take on the xmen by himself and remember that the sinister six even wasn't enough to take him down
The LA characters are not even close to the comic book version so there is no way to compare.
If Wolverine and Spider-Man we're real than it would depend on the environment. In a small closed room Spider-Man would loose otherwise he would win. Spider-Man would dodge attacks too easily because of his spider sense and he can attack from above and from far away.
Hey Crisis!!!! Spider-Man is Stooping isn’t he? Lol
18:10
Wolverine's adamantium in Logan wasn't diluting. Adamantium doesn't work like that, if we're being realistic then yes, it should be diluting or breaking down in order to get into his blood stream and poison him but it's adamantium we're talking about. Saying that, Deadpool didn't break Logan's skeleton, he was disarticulating it, if you have some anatomy knowledge, you can see the rib was only separated from the skeleton, not broken off.
"Adamantium doesn't work like that" is not an argument. He breaks the rib halfway through, plus all of the other bones he's pulling apart which no other villain has been able to do throughout every battle with the OG Wolverine. X24 proves Old Man Logan's bones were weaker.
@@CRISIS_COMICS it is an argument since adamantium is impervious to pretty much everything, including rust and being dissolved lol.
X-24 didn't prove anything.
Deadpool didn't break the rib, he literally just separated it by where it articulates with the spine and the costal cartilage. If you don't believe me go watch a few anatomy images of the ribs to see how they work and go back and see that scene. Also no villain was ever able to do that because... Well... Reasons, but Wolverine has been dismembered quite a few times in the last 3 years in the comics since his joints are still only held together by ligamentos not made out of adamantium. You can even see this when Deadpool uses a leg to decapitate a TVA soldier, if you watch very closely, he stretches the ligaments of the knee, wraps the guy's neck with it and pull's very hard, even breaking the ligaments, you could argue this was only possible because Logan's ligaments were already almost completely decompossed and they lost most of their strength, making it a lot easier to separate his skeleton in individual bones.
@@elpogio4890 No. He breaks the rib off of the middle section, pure bone. "Reasons", you are bad at this. Comics =/= movies.
From the Logan screenplay:
"As for our hero with his so-called eternal life and healing.
Well, he’s older now. If you keep reading, you’ll discover
Logan’s about to get his ass kicked. But before we get to
that, we should make it clear his abilities ain’t what they
were. Yes, he’s a drunk, but he’s also fading on the inside.
Adamantium implants leeching into his system, causing chronic
pain and diminished healing, hence booze as painkiller."
Leaching is defined as: When a chemical substance leaches or is leached from a material, especially soil, it is removed by the action of water passing through the material.
In the FOX films, adamantium does in fact "work like that". Plus X24's bones were weaker than Origins Wolverine, and Old Man Logan was weaker than X24. Sorry to break it to you.
@@CRISIS_COMICS okay, let's say you're right about Logan's bones getting weaker. Still Deadpool didn't break the rib, he separated it from the joints, i could see it FROM YOUR VIDEO just by pausing it at the right moment, i know how ribs work, hell i know how your entire body works and Wade just separated the rib from the skeleton, didn't break it, even when he's about to throw the rib you can see it is complete (you need to know the anatomy of a rib to notice). Sorry to break it to you.
@@elpogio4890 "Rib Master Supreme" in the chat. As long as we agree Deadpool doesn't break peak adamantium, it really doesn't make a difference to me.
Sorry, Ajax actually has superhuman reflexes and a small healing factor.
Depends on if wolverine gets the madonna amp
You gotta scale the ultimate alliance verse now
I mean it makes Sense, since Tobey took and does the most damage in his verse. While Fox Wolverine was more on in the grounded level, during his fights.
Basically what I'm saying is, that it depends on how fantastical the verse would be given by the studio
I know the new Wolverine acting as a new anchor being is something that we can assume, but have we forgotten about the incursions and the entire plot of Multiverse of Madness?
The actual rules and stakes surrounding multiverse stuff have been so poorly/inconsistently defined.
Bro if the Hulk did the same shoulder bump to that car the same thing would happen. Do you understand how gravity works? Also metal can't be bent like that so it was a realistic small bump bc Wolverine wasn't trying to destroy the car just shake up Deadpool!
Hulk tore a car apart and made boxing gloves out it....
May you do Batman vs iron fist?
Would Tobey survive a nuke?
The radiation, no.
The actual force? yes.
Surviving a nuke has nothing to do with being beat . Someone who knows how to swim can still lose to someone who doesn’t know how to swim in a fist fight .
@@yerxiong123 What does that have to do with what were saying
@@rpmblack7892 oh it has nothing to do with what you say . I’m just saying jackman wolverine survived a nuke and tobey spiderman might not But that doesn’t mean wolverine can’t lose to spiderman .
Hmm saying tobey outmanoeuvred Andrew by just webbing one of his web shooters is too big of a stretch man imo
The writers said the two had friction and didn't trust each other at first, then the script states they moved at equal speed before Tobey quickly webs up Andrew which leaves him impressed. Wolverine couldn't do that.
@@CRISIS_COMICS yeah I wasn't talking about wolverine but that statement you keep using about Tobey outmanoeuvring Andrew while they were equal
@@superrobo ? Tobey did outmaneuver him
@@CRISIS_COMICS webbing a single web shooter, doesn't sound impressive at all but yes In that sense yes he did
@@CRISIS_COMICSIn a way yes but verses scenario not really
Wolverine and Spider-Man both have HIGH senses.
Spider-Man has better senses
Could you do a video on Hawkeye vs. green arrow? I am really curious on who would win. For me, I think they are super tied but leaning towards Hawkeye.
9:50 There is a scene in TASM 2 where Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man follows electro in his "lighting" form", something like a quick race. Andrew could keep up with electro just by webswinging. Does that means his Travel Speed is close to the speed of light?
I wouldn't say so. Electro is leading him somewhere and is stopping a lot on the way.
@@CRISIS_COMICS Okay, It makes sense, and that's probably what it was. I've never interpreted this scene that way before. Thanks for replying
In my opinion :
Strength : Spiderman
Blunt durability : Spiderman
Piercing Durability : Wolverine
IQ : Spiderman
Battle IQ : Wolverine
Skills :
Tobey stomps
the amount of feats this guy high balling is insane, tobey spiderman comparable to mcu phase 1 thor and phase 2 hulk 💀💀💀💀
I didn't make Cull fodder to Tom bro 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@CRISIS_COMICS Hey man. I heard that in Avengers 1 Thor was actually weakened in the whole film because of the dark magic that sent him to Earth. Wouldn't that affect the scaling of Cull Obsidian?
@@CRISIS_COMICS I never say something about Cull or Tom spiderman 💀 Tobey is should be scale to Thor or hulk
@@Meliadoul-ed8ke No, because AoU Hulk is > Thor that arrived on Earth via the Bifrost.
Awesome job man
Thanks fam
The man is back!!! Please keep up the amazing content, your videos are always well edited and entertaining. 😎
BTW, in your Opinion who do you think would win between MCU Ironman and Homelander?
Rated R Tobey mauls Rated R Jackman
This vid is Absolutely well explained
Btw Could I ask you a question?
Damn the glazing for Tobey is crazy make sure to zip up once u are done
That it?
I think this video just shows how silly a lot of “power scaling” can be when taken at face value.
Technically it's not about who would win that fight it's more like how much time will wolverines healing factor keep him in the fight.
Depend what type of fight
A misunderstanding on the street or casual fight: spiderman wins, agility and speed gives him the edge
To the death: suppose Wolverine is manipulated and thinks spiderman is sabretooth, he wins. Regen and claws gives him victory, He fights the hulk, spiderman is nothing
Don't agree with the cull obsidian scaling because spiderman stopped ONE strike from cull obsidian
a strike that was meant to end ironman
22:21 lol, it is the exact same movements. I haven't seen the movie, but this has to be a reference, right?
YESSSSS!!! MY GOAT STANDS SUPREME
All them surviving said energy means is their survivability is higher than Cassandra's thanks to their healing factors, Deadpool even credits their survival to this so I don't think it's dubious as it doesn't need to have anything to do with durability
3:21 27 tons of force can wipe away a city block? Also if she can do that, then why wasn’t that area decimated much much more than the little dent in the concrete she made?
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If it’s a fight to the death Wolverine wins
Spider-Man is stronger faster and more versatile
So basically what we got here is basically the same outcome as the comics versions fighting each other except movie Logan fares so much worse against Movie Spider-Man than comics Logan does against comics Spider-Man that it becomes laughably one sided in this case.
If Tobey doesnt take this, we riot. (Also FIRST)
Spider-Man wins all day
If Tobey hits upside down Spiderman kiss, it's over
Statements also put logan over jean, so do with that what you will
(The only one in the verse being more powerful than him being charles by that statement also)
I don't think Wolverine's actually the most powerful, or even top 10 really. Juggernaut's stronger, as an example. Plus the novelization says Jean would've eventually pulled apart even an amped Logan's adamantium given enough time.
And on top of that the worst Wolverine has been alive for more than 200+ years whereas in the Logan film that Wolverine was only around 170 years. So if a 200+ Wolverine is able to move with that speed and force, unlike the Fox version who can't move as fast
Can you put Arkham Batman vs homelander and the boys
Why was there a reupload?
I'm rusty
Adamantium was found in Tiamut. Do you think this would upscale Wolverine? Would love to hear your thoughts.
Circe transmuted it into adamantium, it doesn't scale to the Celestials original skin or durability. Plus, not all adamantium across the multiverse is equal, just like the characters.
Lets FUCKING GOOOO
Very interesting choice of combatants and solid work as usual.
Would you be willing to do a video of how Fox Logan and/or Bana Hulk would do against the (original) 7 roster from The Boys?
P.S.) Netflix/MCU Daredevil vs Black Noir from The Boys?
12:42 now thor I get
Hulk you lost me on that
Hulkbuster fought Hulk brotha
@@CRISIS_COMICS which hulk lost said fight and was getting majorly pressed
An improved hulkbuster was pressed by cull obsidian. Same cull obsidian that a pre-far home spidey could casually block attacks
So yeah
You lost me on that one
@@Acnologia-r3g OHHH! I misunderstood. I mean, Ryan Coogler compared current Thor and Hulk to one another.
@@CRISIS_COMICS in the 2 times theyve fought thor has gone easy on hulk while hulk went straight to
So current hulk is supposed to scale to current thor
Even tho mcu hulk has no backings for such a thing?
I call bs