@@BaithNa Its if Batman and a Spider-Man villain have all of their standard equipment and are teleported into a neutral space while trying their best to win.
Batman is full of bs a literally mary sue. I love me batman he is gritty. But I am sick and tired of these videos, because Batman's prep time superpower is on the same level of bs similar to Conan The Barbarian.
@@lightningjudo5159 Yeah it’s almost like they’re on completely different levels of superhuman 🤦🏿♂️ Kraven can hurt a large building + level Spider-Man deathstroke loses to nightwing? They’re not comparable dude
@@TheGATG0bBlin Batman has defeated many many super-powered beings. Also I was thinking of a more classic Kraven. Not PS5 kraven who can molly whop Venom Spiderman
@@ares7701 He usually defeats super powered beings who either aren’t really trying to kill him, or through incredible convenience, Kraven doesn’t even have any weaknesses for him to exploit
@@randallgarcia8545Batman has villains that have speed and strength on their side. He doesn't fight them all the time but he certainly fights them. He also fought villains weren't his villains that has speed and strength. He doesn't fight them all the time but he certainly fights them.
@@notamaniswear4815 He also has lost multiple times to people way weaker than Spidermans villains, and a lot of them not only have that speed and strength needed, but a lot of them are extremely smart.
@@FreakingSpies I know but that's mainly because he didn't necessarily train to face people who were going to be smarter than him, but at least he still trained for that just in case.
It's because 1. Daredevil is awesome 2. Daredevil has clashed with Spiderman villains numerous times. 3. Most Daredevil feats fall comfortably within "stuff Batman can probably do."
Yeah, I’ve noticed this power scaling is mainly in stories when he’s paired with the justice league; he being the only powerless one, they kinda make him iron man. That’s why I prefer a lot his stand alone stories where he feels much more human than super human. Return to the ninja detective.
Given that majority of spider-man's encounters with these villains is without prep time i think it's only fair we give the same treatment to Batman. So these villains are transported over to his universe and are now in his city somehow but he's not aware so its all random encounters and all Batman has on him is what he'd typically have on him in any given universe at any given time. Nothing special. These villains are also the standard youd see of them at any given time. The items batman would have at any given moment would be 1. Batarangs. Regular, remote control, electrical, and explosive. 2. Grappling hook. 3. Smoke pellets/knockout gas pellets/ explosive pellets 4. Lock picks 5. A flash light 6. A small torch 7. Adhesive explosive gel 8. Something for of freezing, nothing the strong just enough to stop a deep bleed long enough to get help. the shocker- stealth, electrified batarangs, and hand to hand combat gives batman more than enough to handle him The lizard- he'd be able to hurt and hold up for a little while with his various explosives, but he'd most likely narrowly escape this fight and would only ever win if he was able to discover the lizards plan and have time to prepare for the fight. Electro- batman's suit would be insulated and be able to take a little bit of the blow but ultimately he'd be taken out in the first encounter, electro probably wouldnt chase after him though as he'd see him as a non-threat. Upon which batman would again need prep time. Mysterio- this to me is more on par as the matter hatter boss fight in arkham knight, which i think any version of Batman clears with ease. Rhino- his adhesives over the eyes and controlling him til he runs into something and knocks himself out. Or even knockout gas. This fights really doesnt seem like itd take long for batman at all. Sandman- batman holds his own, gets good shots in with his explosives but would need prep time ultimately to win this. Doc Ock- smoke pellets, knockout gas, and electrical batarangs would put this fight more in Batman's favor than Ock's The green goblin- Batman would dodge Goblin's explosives, dismantle his glider, and could win hand to hand but more often than knock goblin likely gets a real good shot in and knocks the Bat out in the first fight. Goblin wouldn't kill him though and Batman would live to fight another day. Venom and carnage- batman would barely survive this in the best case scenario for him. Barely avoiding some attacks, getting hit by a lot, his explosives and electrics would hold them off some. He'd sacrifice the batmobile and just barely get away if he's lucky and then would have knowledge of what would harm them to prepare to come back for round 2.
There's a much better video that talks about both sides pretty much like that. They're pretty much being picked up and switched pretty much no gear no allies or anything like that and in that video it's very clear spider man would have the much easier time
I think it would make a lot of sense for Batman to lose in his initial encounters, return with prep time and sweep the rogue gallery rather than outright beating the,
Some other street heroes fight Vulture and shocker and STRUGGLE. You have to keep in mind one of Spidey's villains is the Rhino who managed to daze the Silver Surfer and box with The Hulk multiple times (to the point of being in more Hulk comics than Spider-Man comics until the 2000s)
@@loselot6044 A lot of those feats of Peter's villains can be considered outliers as they aren't consistent. It's not like Batman's villains don't perform similarly when faced with other heroes of a higher caliber.
@@TheIndulger Rhino fought the Hulk over 5 times. Doc Ock has HARD outsmarted both Tony and Spider-Man in Superior Spider-Man's lead-up as well as perfectly understanding how to pretend to be Peter throughout that whole series. We've also seen Symbiotes almost completely ignore their weaknesses or just power through them MULTIPLE times. And if we're going to talk about outlier feats let's look at the ones he used for Batman. He used Livewire feats that have only happened once. He used the hotly contended JLA vs Avengers which many power scalers ignore because a good chunk of the outcomes just don't make sense, he used gadgets Batman has only used once and were never seen again, and then using feats from a non-canon movie.
@@loselot6044 How did Rhino perform against Banner? Were there any circumstances surrounding those situations as well? More often than not Ock is getting thwarted by Peter by himself. I don't see anyone completely disregarding JLA vs Avengers either.
@@Redkodiak1994 Read the comics, that doesn't work on him.. at least not anymore if it has. A lot of things that you think would work on his villians really don't work anymore.
Severe low-ball on Venom here. I'm not saying Batman couldn't defeat him but it would not be easy in the least. Smart as Bats is finding out Venoms weaknesses aren't going to come quick and I'd say he'd lose to Venom once before he did. Venom is not some stationary brute, he's fast, stronger than Spiderman and has Spideys danger sense. Batman ain't swapping hands with him and can't exactly out maneuver Venom
This is a fun video, but I find it ironic that you mentioned excluding the weaker forms of Batman while also using several different comic series for examples of Batman and Spider-Man's villains' power levels lol
@@CRISIS_COMICSif you use the highest end feats for spiderman just like you did with batman, (like fighting hulk) green goblin would destroy batman if it came to a physical fight, since he scales to spiderman.
Alright alright... but you didn't address the original claim, so c'mon... how would Batman do against Ben's killer? That guy's got a GUN! That's like... an off switch but for people.
@iSnipCoM1eh idk about deathstroke because task master exists and croc is basically the lizard with some amps then again maybe idk what croc has against peter
@iSnipCoM1 I think the biggest hurdle for Spiderman is going to be just how absolutely *sick* Batman's rogue galleries are, like just knowing the fact that Joker has canonically murdered children for fun would probably set Spidey off, and worse if he's caught off guard, a jason todd situation lite situation all over again...
@iSnipCoM1 Solomon Grundy - Literally a stupider (and possibly slower) Hulk. Plus, he's a zombie, so Spidey has even less reason to hold back. If Bats can avoid being tagged by Grundy, Spidey will dance circles around him. All of that, and Spidey is a brillant biochemist, so figuring out something that will weaken/stop Grundy is doable. People forget Peter has beaten a lot of his rogues by exploiting his scientific genius as much as his actual super-powers. Deathstroke - Evil Captain America with a Wolverine-style healing factor (but no adamantium). Barring massive PIS, Spidey folds Cap and Wolverine like laundry (at the same time even), so Slade isn't a big deal. Slade needs massively one-sided prep to beat Spidey (like most of Spidey's foes who are skilled/super-powered mercenaries/assassins). Killer Croc - A weaker, slower, less versatile, and way, WAY less intelligent version of the Lizard. Some versions of the Lizard retain Dr. Conner's scientific genius and have telepathic control over reptiles, including anyone he turns into a lizard monster with the same formula that made him. Even if we used Croc's strongest version (from the Arkham games, where he not only has regen, but a weak, Doomsday-style adaptability power), it would take years of Peter kicking his ass before he adapted enough to be an actual threat.
Spiderman is getting ragdolled. Manbat is so strong plastic man couldn't beat him even made plastic man bleed and strongenoughto almostbreak superman neck,bane can fight mammoth and cheetah , poison ivy can take on wonder woman and swamp thing ,killer croc can tank hits for supergirl even keep up with her,made zod bleed and got punched across the map getting right back up, deathstroke takes on speedsters and the league daily plus the titans gave superman a nose bleed,grundy isn't even a debate,clayface fought etrigan in space same etrigan capable of takin over hell. Anyone who thinks Spiderman stands a chance don't read comics
I don’t understand why everyone said plot armor when it comes to Batman having varying power levels but when it comes to other people they will just take their highest power level
Great video. I see people say Batman would lose to Spider-Man’s villains and I’ve always disagreed with that, so I’m glad you proved why it wouldn’t be too difficult for him while also providing actual sources. It’d be cool to see the opposite of this scenario where Spider-Man goes up against Batman’s villains. I honestly think he’d clear tbh. He’s smarter and physical more powerful than all of them and in terms of whatever psychological torture they can inflict, it’s nothing Peter hasn’t already seen a thousand times before.
Villains like Shocker and the Vulture, yes but he seriously downplayed Spider-Man's villains, using one time weaknesses and defeats that Batman wouldn't even know about. He also forgot that a lot of Spider-Man's villains are stronger than Batman's villains. Rhino can take on Juggernaut and Hulk while Electro is far stronger than Black Lightning. Hell, Carnage is a literal God who is no longer weak to sonics or fire, same goes for Venom. Not to mention that Sandman is far stronger than Clayface and has far greater powers than him
Trust me if he did not use high end Batman feats. No mention of him reacting to speedsters, hurting kryptonian level opponents with punches, combating karate kid who can fight kryptonian etc. this is a tame reasonable vid.
We need videos like this with standard Batman (no prep time, just core gadgets). Batman is easily one of my Top 3 heroes, but with preptime it’s just no fun to debate these. I’d love to see these matchup theories with random encounters.
that is oh so true. For bats prep time does mean auto W. With preptime he once beat darkseid by shooting him with a bullet traveling backwards in time, for example. Is much more fun to think how could he get out of sticky situations where he is taken by surprise kinda like in the endgame comic
if these are random encounters he stops at Lizard, who’s speed and strength somewhat match Peter’s which are LEVELS ahead of Batman’s. Also, his weakness to “cold” is more of a mental thing rather than physically, having feats of him shrugging such tactics off.
Bane beat Batman after the latter had to fight everyone of his villains in a gauntlet while being exhausted; Batman's since beaten a Venom-amped Bane after he ran through some of the strongest Batman villains while they were amped by Venom; read comics. Batman negs Lizard.
Almost every time Batman had gotten powers it’s corrupted him so I think he’d use it for a while then discard it. Might take some hampering from other heroes to make him take it off
Not really sure about Morlun, but I can see him beating most of them with minimal prep time. I just can't see Batman winning against Morlun without the Hellbat.
comics can be really inconsistent, just try not to think too much about that, writters wanting to explore different things and different things to happen and all of that, like the time batman survived reentering the atmosphere from space and survived the fall by rolling and the heat by using some random thing to shield him or something, don't remember propper, so yeah, things are kinda dumb sometimes
@@OptimusTrime The problem with Batman's rogues is that Batman was originally just a street-level hero. That was when he acquired most of his iconic rogues, and most of his best classic stories were the street-level stories (he has great stories with supernatural/cosmic stuff, but most of his famous stories are street-level stuff). But Batman is, far and away, DC's most popular hero (ironically, because being street-level made him more relatable than the other big names), so they pretty much had to put him in the Justice League. The Justice League who typically deal with threats that are decidely well above street-level. So Batman had to get buffed… and buffed some more… and they continued to buff him until he became more of an edgier, grittier Iron Man/Tony Stark than anything resembling his original noir roots. And then people asked the same, inevitable question you did, "Why are his usual rogues any kind of issue when he throws down with the likes of Darkseid?" So his rogues had to get buffed to justify it. Except you can only buff his rogues so much before all of Batman's stories stop being about street-level crime. The truth is, there is absolutely no reason the entire Bat-Family shouldn't be kitted out with Batman Beyond-style power armor (but better because the tech in DC is better than in the DCAU) that allows all of them to trivialize 99% of the Gotham rogues. The writers just won't do that, because they want to still be able to do street-level stories while allowing Batman to clown on the Justice League. Spider-Man has the same problem. Writers want him to remain the same as when his popularity was at it's height (a joking, down-on-his-luck street-level hero), when Spidey should treat most of his rogues as a joke by now.
Bruce could take most of Spidey's rogues in the same way Peter did when he first met them. Encounter, fight, lose, retreat, re-evaluate and prep. Spidey's villains are often sorted into two categories. Idiots/average goons with powers and geniuses or incredibly skilled without powers. Doc Ock, Vulture, Tinkerer, Mysterio (a special effects genius) are geniuses without powers whereas Chameleon and Kraven are incredibly skilled. These are often the villains that Peter can quite easily overpower but are smart enough where it's rarely ever that easy so Peter's intelligence compliments his powers. If Bruce can fight Man-Bat, he can fight Vulture. If he can fight Scarecrow, he can fight Mysterio and Chameleon (I know, fear is different to illusion but it's close enough that I'm confident Bruce would win), if he can fight Deathstroke or KGBeast, he can fight Kraven. And Doc Ock is kinda like Mr Freeze. Both geniuses that also have an edge in equipment, the arms/the freeze gun. Scorpion, Sandman, Rhino, Electro, Hydroman, Venom, Carnage etc are often depicted as morons with incredible power. Peter rarely fights them head on and again, elects to outsmart them to win the day. That's why Batman could win against Spidey's rogues. Because they're designed to go up against someone that isn't as powerful as them, has to outsmart them often. By that same token, Peter could clear Bruce's rogues. I genuinely don't understand trying to put one over the other, Bruce and Peter's rogues compliment each other quite well. They're honestly so similar you can find an analogue or just straight one to one with most of them. Peter and Bruce have the best rogues in comics (along with Flash), because they're the best heroes in comics and it's always interesting to see how they'll fare against new villains. When they teamed up against Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, both Bruce and Peter complimented each other and ended up saving the world along with Bruce developing a cure for Kingpin's wife, Vanessa. When they teamed up against Carnage and the Joker, Bruce held his own against a psychopathic symbiote while Joker kept trying to talk Spidey into killing him. After slapping him around and telling him he's one of the worst human beings he's ever met, Peter refused to kill him because he's better than that and slapped him unconscious instead. Batman and Spider-Man together? They'd fucking demolish the Gotham and New York crime underworld in one fucking night.
Batman against venom and carnage: "i have 70 thousand dollars of green rocks to stop the one from metropolis for you all I need is a penny for a book matches"
@@CRISIS_COMICS can u make a video on Batman Beyond as in the Batman issue 141 we saw a old Bruce Wayne Zur-En-Arrh beat main line Batman before getting a boomerang in his hand and this Bruce Wayne has not trained for 20 years.
Yeah, it's not much of a debate of whether batman can beat X. There's always something he can pull out of his prison pocket that's been rotting in there for the past 4 years he can throw at a villain and shoo them away. Very much gogo gadget style.
@@rpmblack7892 ''Plot armor is a plot device that protects a fictional character from harm because they are essential to the story's progression. This can include avoiding serious injury, death, or major setbacks, even when their abilities suggest they should not survive.'' Batman has plot armor.
@@Zhello79his helmet protects him from psychic attacks. Something Batman doesn’t have to my knowledge. So he’s gonna have a hard time dealing with him.
@@jamerson4967 Not really due to the fact there were people who weren't as strong as Marko were able to beat him just by outsmarted him. Doesn't have to do much with physicality but even then without his helmet, he is vulnerable without it, becomes open to other attacks, even ones that could knock him out.
@@Zhello79 yeah knock the unstoppable juggernaut out lol not impossible just unviable in most situation for the bat. Nothing short of his best one off suits is knocking marko out.And even then I’m not To sure. his biggest weakness is physics for a reason not physical attacks. Otherwise he wouldn’t need the helmet and he would be unstoppable short of reality manipulation, or something extreme. He’s doesn’t need to be smart with how strong he is. he’s consistently fought hulk, Thor his strength sometimes on par with them. But shouldn’t be if we are being honest. His power is thou. As well as his durability healing factor, and stamina.
Anthony Gramuglia made a similar video but I feel like he used the best feats for each Spiderman villain where as this seems to use the worst feats for each? From what I remember from his video, Venom isn't that weak to fire anymore for example. Shouldn't that have been mentioned? I could be wrong though I haven't watched that video in a while.
I haven't watched that video until after posting my own. His evidence is very vague, just hand waving away Venom and Carnage weakness without any real proof or citations. My evidence for Carnage's weakness for example are from as recently as 2019, he also failed to quantify the equipment Batman possess compared to that which Carnage and Venom have resisted, just because they have a better tolerance compared to the 80s or even the movies and games doesn't mean Batman lacks the tools necessary to capitalize on them; which I show and cite.
@@CRISIS_COMICS It was when Carnage attained the Darkhold he became a lot more resistant. Haven't read much venom but classically he handled fire and sonics better than even carnage sometimes.
@@Derp-rz1nn Well the lizard isn't falcon level he keeps up with a suppressed Spidey and characters like Vermin. Rhino getting chocked out by daredevil is also a jobbing moment not consistent lol. Daredevil was getting worked by Tombstone.
Funny how he downplayed eddie with the newspaper yet forgets to show how he's bullied juggernaut and has withstood the flames of Johnny storm and Reed Richard's sonic gun
Just a quick note about the power scaling and temperatures. The temperature you can get an object to isn't that impressive unless it's a large mass. For comparison the temperature of the average incandescent light bulb filament is around 3000 C, and you could easily get it hotter by increasing the resistance of the wire if you were so inclined. No one would be particularly impressed though because it's such a tiny mass. It takes a lot more energy to heat a 1kg block of iron up to 100C, and that block of iron would be able to cause a LOT more devastation.
Man you've nerfed Otto so bad. If Batman pumped into Otto or Osborn in the moment without prepping for it the fight could go in either direction. With prep, Batman will always win and I love it but you should go more off of an unexpected meet up.
I feel it could go either way. If the writers wanted, they could have the Sinister Six find out his identity and jump Batman, as plenty of characters have done so before. But they could also have Batman do weeks of research before entering New York and make the first strike against the Sinister Six.
Yes he does the only question is how much prep he needs. He probably doesn’t need it for half of them but the rest maybe. This is why I think spider man vs Batman villains is more interesting
25:24-25:38 Funny enough, Brainiac Five once insulted Batman’s tech, calling it disgustingly primitive within earshot. Only for Batman to deduce a riddle that B5 couldn’t solve and use the same Battech that B5 belittled in the first place, in order to defeat Kryptonite Man. That the Legion of Super-Heroes were already struggling to defeat in the first place.
comic book batman is literally plot amor man. bro finds out how to defeat you by the way you breathe and is peak human but in the comics peak human is as strong as the story needs him to be 😭
I really wanna see an in between of these kinds of videos. Not giving batman one time gadgets and using only the weakest versions of spider-man villains. But also not making it out like batman would just be one shot insta killed by every spider-man villain ever. Basically batman vs spider-mans rogues gallery like if it was actually written for a comic instead of powerscaling nonsense
Batman can just see Sandman's MICROSCOPIC-- SOUL. Do you hear yourself? Okay, tell me how. Because he can see ghosts? Sandman is not a ghost. So tell me another one. Okay I'll bite... Does he have microscopic vision? What about ectoplasmic sensors? Maybe ultraviolet spectrum goggles (yes, I did just think of that) but will that pick up a human soul? No and no. Who are you trying to kid?
@Geone1073 sandman is nowhere near the same as clayface. When's the last time you saw clayface turn into a giant cloud or grow so massive that he can bring devastation to Gotham with ease. It's like comparing a 50 caliber to a nerf gun.
For people thinking Batman is fodder and can't hang with Spiderman or his villains are literally absurd they really think hes just peak human as in just a human its crazy honestly
Batman without preptime and his resources would be more like Daredevil, Captain America or Moon knight in terms of power comparison, which gives him good odds against most of Spidey's roster unless they are going with all they got. But without his resources or preptime I can see the upper levels of Spiderman villains giving him a fight for his life (he can certainly stand up against Green Goblin and Doc Ock, but depending on their tactics at the moment or their own preptime against him, I can see Batman losing. At the end of the day depending on his resources available at the moment, his surroundings and his opponents own battle IQ is what will decide the victory.) But I hate Batman just winning any fight because of prep time so I prefer it when he doesn't have time to prepare for a fight, because it makes it more interesting
@@NMbones98 yeah, but unlimited/undefined preptime along with seemingly neverending resources makes him beat anyone in fiction. I prefer when Batman is more balanced, besides all he really needs is his intelligence and usual utility belt in order to deal with Spiderman's rogues gallery
If Batman ended up in 616, the people who have to be the most afraid are the fellow heroes, because he's immediately going to start compiling files on how to take them down if he ever needed it
That was a whole lot of words to describe how Batman is unstoppable. Years of making him just a little more badass and a little more badass have left current Batman as a joke. He was better when he could be taken down by a clown with a crowbar. If a hero just one shots everyone like you said, you lose the tension and it is bad stories. Powers don't make the heroes awesome overcoming obstacles does, but I guess there are people who think Batman is so cool cause he can "beat anyone" who doesn't say Martha.
If Bruce can fight Man-Bat, he can fight Vulture. If he can fight Scarecrow, he can fight Mysterio and Chameleon , if he can fight Deathstroke, he can fight Kraven. Scorpion, Sandman, Rhino, Electro etc are basically every superhuman he can't overpower (like most of them), he outsmarts them. Peter rarely fights them head on and again, elects to outsmart them to win the day. By that same token, Peter could clear Bruce's rogues. Neither is better or really has their lifestyles change because their switched. And this is before I learned how DD already showed that Spidey's rogues only get as far with him as they do cause he holds back. Even more than Superior Spider-Man implied.
The one caveat I'd mention - The weaknesses Venom and Carange have are inconsistent to a degree. Depending on the writer (and sometimes the event,) the Symbiotes can overcome one or more of their weaknessess. My understanding is that during one of the recent Spiderverse / Venomverse events with Carnage as the Big Bad, Carnage managed to shrug off many of his traditional weaknesses. The hows and whys I'm a little iffy on, to be honest.Keeping up with any comic contuity is difficult at best, especially if they cover / connect to multiple different comic lines as Spider-Man and Batman do.
Bruce Wayne is the 2nd smartest man in DC, too easy for him to deal with Puny ah villains like Electro, Sandman etc the only major threat is Venom, once he figure outs his weakness , Venom is also done, and Wayne would just cure Green Goblin. Doc ock Can be a threat but can he fight failsafe or Thrasher armor?
Batman can technically clear the majority of Spider-Man's rouges gallery as long as he can figure out their weaknesses in time without being killed himself
The thing people tend to forgive about Batman is the him being mostly street-level is tied to his unhealthy attachment to Gotham. He could easily wake up one day and be Reed Richards or Iron Man or Mr Terrific if he decides to. Dark Crisis: Worlds Without A Justice League - Batman by Si Spurrier kind of explores that idea a little bit.
Well, now we need to address the obvious question. Would Spider-Man perform as well against Batman's rogues as everyone says he would? That being said... you do focus on the low tier showings of these characters a bit too much, I think. Like that time Venom survived a sonic explosion that shattered glass across several city blocks, Sandman being considered an equal partner to The Thing, Rhino doing decently against the Hulk, and numerous Spidey villains being able to break out of Peter's webs, which can hold Hulk and Iron Man on the right occasions. That's the thing with Marvel vs DC. The showings are just inconsistent enough to argue a curbstomp in most every fight. The less said about the times Superman has been hurt by regular nukes or Thor has been knocked out by handguns, the better.
@@Derp-rz1nn well as a huge spiderman fan he probably would to most yes but they have more schycolofical tactics that may give him more trouble than they would Batman where as Batman struggles more physically arguably
You only call it plot armor because you'd rather the reality of the situation back up your own bias. I could have used an entire hours worth of evidence and you'd still call it plot armor lmao. Feats are feats; face the facts. Every time a Spider-Man villain wins it's just plot armor, the writers have to arbitrarily create tension even though Spider-Man should win easily every time. What now?
@@CRISIS_COMICS for the record, the reason spider-man doesn't just win all the time is because he has to keep from killing his villains in one punch.
@@CRISIS_COMICS also, this works both ways. I have yet to see what's stopping someone like poison ivy from just growing something like a potato in bat-man's brain, instead of just trying to kiss him or whatever
this is THE ONLY serious attempt to analyze this whole situation that ACTUALLY takes into account the tools, strategies and past encounters Batman had when theorizing how he'd fare against all these guys I've seen. Everyone else assumes Batman would try to fight everyone with martial arts and batarangs only
Pretty interesting subject to analyze. Batman's countermeasures should allow him to adapt effectively against most Spider Man villains. Overtime. I wonder how well the relative DC and Mavrel universes would do in a gauntlet without intervention of cosmic multiversal warping transcendent dimensional beings would do against characters like Mori Jin from the God of Highschool or Adam from Record of Ragnarok. Mori Jin is a ever growing powerhouse whose power growth by the end becomes astronomically insane you would need a average universal potency tier fighter just to keep up and even then he will likely surpass your tier in no time. Even in the beginning he was very powerful which was escalating over a few arcs. And Adam's Eyes of the Lord is a copying power that allows him to close the distance of very wide power gaps and keep up relatively in a fight even in the realm of inaccessible combat speeds and perception speeds.
If you just dropped Batman off in Spider-Man's place, no. He can't prep for Goblin punching a hole in his chest with his fist. But if you dropped Batman off where Peter started and let him progress, then yes.
If his explosives can harm amazo then yeah its a wrap for most villains. And yeah batman is a massively superior martial artist than even cap or daredevil and has better stealth which would be important when in the backfoot
Somehow, I don't think stealth is on daredevil's or cap's mind. Y'know, considering the bright flashy colors that would generally imply that. It's almost as if batman is the only one who actually *needs* to sneak around, due to how vastly weaker he is.
If you think Mysterio beating Mr. Fantastic and Ock coordinating the S6 to beat the Avengers or using Peter’s body to beat Daredevil and Dr Strange is them at their weakest then it is you who is glazing
@@CRISIS_COMICS Mysterio's illusions have also fooled the likes of Wolverine who has superhuman senses which are greater than Batman's. Mysterio has also fooled and tricked other heroes as well who are stronger and have better senses than Batman.
@@CRISIS_COMICS who said it was only in Old Man Logan where he's fooled him? Also, you were throwing out defeats from other universes as well to boost Batman's odds
Spider-Man’s villains so as Batman are consistently nerfed due to the plot venom can be afraid of paper on fire but can later tank as much heat as the surface of the sun like it doesn’t make sense
you DARE to even consider that DOOM can lose?!?! preposterous! he is clearly superior to ALL!!! even that WEAKLING that is Richards! (this totally not propaganda)
Honestly? Though Doom holds basically every other advantage, he might still lose because he would 100% underestimate Batman, just like most Marvel fans do.
Still plenty of villains left if you want a Part 2! How would Batman deal with Scorpion, Kraven, Morlun? Let me know what you think.
@@BaithNa He uses a pocket dimension and then releases all the stuff out later
@@BaithNa Its if Batman and a Spider-Man villain have all of their standard equipment and are teleported into a neutral space while trying their best to win.
@@CRISIS_COMICS definitely maybe even the AVENGERS.
Batman is full of bs a literally mary sue. I love me batman he is gritty. But I am sick and tired of these videos, because Batman's prep time superpower is on the same level of bs similar to Conan The Barbarian.
My boys Stilt-Man and Big Wheel would be the ones to get the dub🙏🙏
Batman vs Kraven admittedly would be an incredibly badass fight.
Kraven has superhuman abilities so he’d kill Batman in a hand to hand fight
So did Deathstroke, but Batman still beat him.
@@lightningjudo5159 Yeah it’s almost like they’re on completely different levels of superhuman 🤦🏿♂️ Kraven can hurt a large building + level Spider-Man deathstroke loses to nightwing? They’re not comparable dude
@@TheGATG0bBlin Batman has defeated many many super-powered beings. Also I was thinking of a more classic Kraven. Not PS5 kraven who can molly whop Venom Spiderman
@@ares7701 He usually defeats super powered beings who either aren’t really trying to kill him, or through incredible convenience, Kraven doesn’t even have any weaknesses for him to exploit
Green Goblin: “I will squash you like a bug.”
Batman: “Just shut up and fight.”
Batman may have the martial arts but goblin has speed and strength
😤injustice
@@randallgarcia8545Batman has villains that have speed and strength on their side. He doesn't fight them all the time but he certainly fights them. He also fought villains weren't his villains that has speed and strength. He doesn't fight them all the time but he certainly fights them.
@@notamaniswear4815 He also has lost multiple times to people way weaker than Spidermans villains, and a lot of them not only have that speed and strength needed, but a lot of them are extremely smart.
@@FreakingSpies I know but that's mainly because he didn't necessarily train to face people who were going to be smarter than him, but at least he still trained for that just in case.
He stops at Paul
Paul as the power of Marvel editor and he can take Catwoman away form Bruce or any of Batmans Ex’s
@@Logan-yt1lj we’re gonna see Bruce break his no kill rule rq 😅😂
Lmao😂😂😂
We don't talk about that guy.
Nah not even catwomen wouldn't even think being with a below average guy like paul 😂lol
Not being able to catch uncle ben's killer is crazy😂
Norman Osborne is basically Bruce Wayne and Green Goblin is just Super soldier Joker 💀
I'd say Norman is more Lex Luthor than Bruce Wayne.
@@ValiareTheForsaken01 yes that sounds about right
Pretty sure Goblin is gonna be just some tool in one of Jokers grand schemes
Pretty sure Goblin's IQ is lower than Joker's tho
@@Demian7times7 really few…?
Surprising amount of Daredevil Ws in this video, but a welcome surprise indeed.
Ws, meaning worship? Wtf does ws mean 💀
@@Six-bw3irWs stand for wins
How dont y know this?@@Six-bw3ir
It's because
1. Daredevil is awesome
2. Daredevil has clashed with Spiderman villains numerous times.
3. Most Daredevil feats fall comfortably within "stuff Batman can probably do."
@@TidePodsRFoodI just wanna say kingpin is a daredevil villain
Saying that Batman can see sandman's soul might be a stretch, I'm ngl
Ngl, the more I heard about Batman scaling: the less I like him as a character. Feels like a plot convenience/rule of cool merchant.
Yeah, I’ve noticed this power scaling is mainly in stories when he’s paired with the justice league; he being the only powerless one, they kinda make him iron man. That’s why I prefer a lot his stand alone stories where he feels much more human than super human. Return to the ninja detective.
@@andrew4233thgreen arrow is also powerless
That’s literally 99.99999999999999% of comics why are you acting like that’s only a Batman thing you don’t not like Batman you just don’t like comics
@@Reesemike I guess so.
Given that majority of spider-man's encounters with these villains is without prep time i think it's only fair we give the same treatment to Batman. So these villains are transported over to his universe and are now in his city somehow but he's not aware so its all random encounters and all Batman has on him is what he'd typically have on him in any given universe at any given time. Nothing special.
These villains are also the standard youd see of them at any given time.
The items batman would have at any given moment would be
1. Batarangs. Regular, remote control, electrical, and explosive.
2. Grappling hook.
3. Smoke pellets/knockout gas pellets/ explosive pellets
4. Lock picks
5. A flash light
6. A small torch
7. Adhesive explosive gel
8. Something for of freezing, nothing the strong just enough to stop a deep bleed long enough to get help.
the shocker- stealth, electrified batarangs, and hand to hand combat gives batman more than enough to handle him
The lizard- he'd be able to hurt and hold up for a little while with his various explosives, but he'd most likely narrowly escape this fight and would only ever win if he was able to discover the lizards plan and have time to prepare for the fight.
Electro- batman's suit would be insulated and be able to take a little bit of the blow but ultimately he'd be taken out in the first encounter, electro probably wouldnt chase after him though as he'd see him as a non-threat. Upon which batman would again need prep time.
Mysterio- this to me is more on par as the matter hatter boss fight in arkham knight, which i think any version of Batman clears with ease.
Rhino- his adhesives over the eyes and controlling him til he runs into something and knocks himself out. Or even knockout gas. This fights really doesnt seem like itd take long for batman at all.
Sandman- batman holds his own, gets good shots in with his explosives but would need prep time ultimately to win this.
Doc Ock- smoke pellets, knockout gas, and electrical batarangs would put this fight more in Batman's favor than Ock's
The green goblin- Batman would dodge Goblin's explosives, dismantle his glider, and could win hand to hand but more often than knock goblin likely gets a real good shot in and knocks the Bat out in the first fight. Goblin wouldn't kill him though and Batman would live to fight another day.
Venom and carnage- batman would barely survive this in the best case scenario for him. Barely avoiding some attacks, getting hit by a lot, his explosives and electrics would hold them off some. He'd sacrifice the batmobile and just barely get away if he's lucky and then would have knowledge of what would harm them to prepare to come back for round 2.
There's a much better video that talks about both sides pretty much like that. They're pretty much being picked up and switched pretty much no gear no allies or anything like that and in that video it's very clear spider man would have the much easier time
I think it would make a lot of sense for Batman to lose in his initial encounters, return with prep time and sweep the rogue gallery rather than outright beating the,
If other street tiers are able to hold their own against Peter's rogues gallery than I don't see why Bruce couldn't.
Some other street heroes fight Vulture and shocker and STRUGGLE. You have to keep in mind one of Spidey's villains is the Rhino who managed to daze the Silver Surfer and box with The Hulk multiple times (to the point of being in more Hulk comics than Spider-Man comics until the 2000s)
@@loselot6044 A lot of those feats of Peter's villains can be considered outliers as they aren't consistent. It's not like Batman's villains don't perform similarly when faced with other heroes of a higher caliber.
@@TheIndulger Rhino fought the Hulk over 5 times. Doc Ock has HARD outsmarted both Tony and Spider-Man in Superior Spider-Man's lead-up as well as perfectly understanding how to pretend to be Peter throughout that whole series. We've also seen Symbiotes almost completely ignore their weaknesses or just power through them MULTIPLE times. And if we're going to talk about outlier feats let's look at the ones he used for Batman. He used Livewire feats that have only happened once. He used the hotly contended JLA vs Avengers which many power scalers ignore because a good chunk of the outcomes just don't make sense, he used gadgets Batman has only used once and were never seen again, and then using feats from a non-canon movie.
@@loselot6044 How did Rhino perform against Banner? Were there any circumstances surrounding those situations as well? More often than not Ock is getting thwarted by Peter by himself. I don't see anyone completely disregarding JLA vs Avengers either.
@@loselot6044 Yeah, but that doesn't scale Rhino to a full power Hulk. That's like saying Goku currently scales to a full power beerus.
Spider-Man. Batman.
🤝
Both being able to easily
Dogwalk each others
villains
Thx for a normal person take 😢😢. Bro batman and spidey would get along it's the fans that don't
Frl
What‘s batman doing to electro?
What‘s batman doing to electro?
@@TheGATG0bBlin beating him 🤓☝️
I would love to see fight between batman and doctor Octopus
It's like figh Mr. Bloom.
Batman will use his emp tech on doc ocks tentacles
@@Redkodiak1994 Read the comics, that doesn't work on him.. at least not anymore if it has. A lot of things that you think would work on his villians really don't work anymore.
Severe low-ball on Venom here. I'm not saying Batman couldn't defeat him but it would not be easy in the least. Smart as Bats is finding out Venoms weaknesses aren't going to come quick and I'd say he'd lose to Venom once before he did. Venom is not some stationary brute, he's fast, stronger than Spiderman and has Spideys danger sense. Batman ain't swapping hands with him and can't exactly out maneuver Venom
Take it away, Crisis.
This is a fun video, but I find it ironic that you mentioned excluding the weaker forms of Batman while also using several different comic series for examples of Batman and Spider-Man's villains' power levels lol
He stops at Green Goblin
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@@CRISIS_COMICSif you use the highest end feats for spiderman just like you did with batman, (like fighting hulk) green goblin would destroy batman if it came to a physical fight, since he scales to spiderman.
@@alatusedits I didn't use the highest end feats for Batman; peak vs peak Batman stomps even easier
@@CRISIS_COMICS whatever you say
@@alatusedits Glad we agree
Alright alright... but you didn't address the original claim, so c'mon... how would Batman do against Ben's killer? That guy's got a GUN! That's like... an off switch but for people.
Bruh we see batman get shot at all the time
@@Baji2202 Woosh!
I kinda want to see spider man take on Batman villains. What about an power tier list for video games spider men
@iSnipCoM1eh idk about deathstroke because task master exists and croc is basically the lizard with some amps then again maybe idk what croc has against peter
@iSnipCoM1 I think the biggest hurdle for Spiderman is going to be just how absolutely *sick* Batman's rogue galleries are, like just knowing the fact that Joker has canonically murdered children for fun would probably set Spidey off, and worse if he's caught off guard, a jason todd situation lite situation all over again...
@iSnipCoM1 It’ll be cool to see Spiderman and Joker have a intellectual conversation about something fr
@iSnipCoM1
Solomon Grundy - Literally a stupider (and possibly slower) Hulk. Plus, he's a zombie, so Spidey has even less reason to hold back. If Bats can avoid being tagged by Grundy, Spidey will dance circles around him.
All of that, and Spidey is a brillant biochemist, so figuring out something that will weaken/stop Grundy is doable. People forget Peter has beaten a lot of his rogues by exploiting his scientific genius as much as his actual super-powers.
Deathstroke - Evil Captain America with a Wolverine-style healing factor (but no adamantium). Barring massive PIS, Spidey folds Cap and Wolverine like laundry (at the same time even), so Slade isn't a big deal. Slade needs massively one-sided prep to beat Spidey (like most of Spidey's foes who are skilled/super-powered mercenaries/assassins).
Killer Croc - A weaker, slower, less versatile, and way, WAY less intelligent version of the Lizard. Some versions of the Lizard retain Dr. Conner's scientific genius and have telepathic control over reptiles, including anyone he turns into a lizard monster with the same formula that made him. Even if we used Croc's strongest version (from the Arkham games, where he not only has regen, but a weak, Doomsday-style adaptability power), it would take years of Peter kicking his ass before he adapted enough to be an actual threat.
Spiderman is getting ragdolled. Manbat is so strong plastic man couldn't beat him even made plastic man bleed and strongenoughto almostbreak superman neck,bane can fight mammoth and cheetah , poison ivy can take on wonder woman and swamp thing ,killer croc can tank hits for supergirl even keep up with her,made zod bleed and got punched across the map getting right back up, deathstroke takes on speedsters and the league daily plus the titans gave superman a nose bleed,grundy isn't even a debate,clayface fought etrigan in space same etrigan capable of takin over hell. Anyone who thinks Spiderman stands a chance don't read comics
I don’t understand why everyone said plot armor when it comes to Batman having varying power levels but when it comes to other people they will just take their highest power level
Because he is Popular
It’s because of how inconsistent bat man is depending on the person writing it
@@jacobcorturillo6537 this is literally true for any comic character. people are hopping on a bandwagon hate train for batman for whatever reason
Batman really said "fuck you and your contract little bro" to the Rock lmao
Bat Gos on top.
A COMIC BATMAN VIDEO SCALE LETS GO
EXCELLENT WORK. CRISIS BATMAN 🦇 SPIDER-MAN VILLAINS
Great video. I see people say Batman would lose to Spider-Man’s villains and I’ve always disagreed with that, so I’m glad you proved why it wouldn’t be too difficult for him while also providing actual sources.
It’d be cool to see the opposite of this scenario where Spider-Man goes up against Batman’s villains. I honestly think he’d clear tbh. He’s smarter and physical more powerful than all of them and in terms of whatever psychological torture they can inflict, it’s nothing Peter hasn’t already seen a thousand times before.
How is spiderman going to deal with failsafe
They more or less have the same villains
@@gameuniverse5973 Antarctic vibranium plus speed suit
@@gameuniverse5973 He'll stop pulling his punches
Villains like Shocker and the Vulture, yes but he seriously downplayed Spider-Man's villains, using one time weaknesses and defeats that Batman wouldn't even know about. He also forgot that a lot of Spider-Man's villains are stronger than Batman's villains. Rhino can take on Juggernaut and Hulk while Electro is far stronger than Black Lightning. Hell, Carnage is a literal God who is no longer weak to sonics or fire, same goes for Venom. Not to mention that Sandman is far stronger than Clayface and has far greater powers than him
Using the highest end feats for Batman but mid to low level feats for Spidey's rogues gallery is absolutely fair
It would be unfair if that's what I did.
Spiderman fan cope
Trust me if he did not use high end Batman feats. No mention of him reacting to speedsters, hurting kryptonian level opponents with punches, combating karate kid who can fight kryptonian etc. this is a tame reasonable vid.
Nvm he did 💀💀💀 still valid if he constantly is putting this feats up
We need videos like this with standard Batman (no prep time, just core gadgets). Batman is easily one of my Top 3 heroes, but with preptime it’s just no fun to debate these. I’d love to see these matchup theories with random encounters.
that is oh so true. For bats prep time does mean auto W. With preptime he once beat darkseid by shooting him with a bullet traveling backwards in time, for example. Is much more fun to think how could he get out of sticky situations where he is taken by surprise kinda like in the endgame comic
if these are random encounters he stops at Lizard, who’s speed and strength somewhat match Peter’s which are LEVELS ahead of Batman’s. Also, his weakness to “cold” is more of a mental thing rather than physically, having feats of him shrugging such tactics off.
No such feats. Especially not against cold that matches Starfire’s heat.
statement**
@@drillyyy299Freeze matches Starfire on panel lmao
@@Derp-rz1nnon top of being tons and tons stronger than even bane who broke batman in half, the lizard would dismantle batman in a random encounter.
Bane beat Batman after the latter had to fight everyone of his villains in a gauntlet while being exhausted; Batman's since beaten a Venom-amped Bane after he ran through some of the strongest Batman villains while they were amped by Venom; read comics. Batman negs Lizard.
But my uncle after 3 shots of Hennessy can one shot all of them
Batman is cruising until he gets his bill paid by Paul, then loses Catwoman to him.
If Batman encountered the comic version of the Symbiote (the one that doesn’t influence your emotions), do you think he’d use it?
Almost every time Batman had gotten powers it’s corrupted him so I think he’d use it for a while then discard it. Might take some hampering from other heroes to make him take it off
@@treycoleman9262 you’re so right. Now that you say that I remember when he got Superman’s powers and it basically made him evil lol
Batman clears, he only needs prep for sandman, and the symbiots
Nah he has everything he needs to fight the them
Not really sure about Morlun, but I can see him beating most of them with minimal prep time. I just can't see Batman winning against Morlun without the Hellbat.
@@Raiden_Solid if spidey can beat morlun I see no reason bats can’t
@@Raiden_Solid the insider suit could probably beat morlun
@@Perbweezy Spiderman has never beat morlun without prep
It’s insane how Batman’s rogue gallery even gives him an issue.
comics can be really inconsistent, just try not to think too much about that, writters wanting to explore different things and different things to happen and all of that, like the time batman survived reentering the atmosphere from space and survived the fall by rolling and the heat by using some random thing to shield him or something, don't remember propper, so yeah, things are kinda dumb sometimes
@@OptimusTrime
The problem with Batman's rogues is that Batman was originally just a street-level hero. That was when he acquired most of his iconic rogues, and most of his best classic stories were the street-level stories (he has great stories with supernatural/cosmic stuff, but most of his famous stories are street-level stuff).
But Batman is, far and away, DC's most popular hero (ironically, because being street-level made him more relatable than the other big names), so they pretty much had to put him in the Justice League. The Justice League who typically deal with threats that are decidely well above street-level.
So Batman had to get buffed… and buffed some more… and they continued to buff him until he became more of an edgier, grittier Iron Man/Tony Stark than anything resembling his original noir roots.
And then people asked the same, inevitable question you did, "Why are his usual rogues any kind of issue when he throws down with the likes of Darkseid?" So his rogues had to get buffed to justify it. Except you can only buff his rogues so much before all of Batman's stories stop being about street-level crime.
The truth is, there is absolutely no reason the entire Bat-Family shouldn't be kitted out with Batman Beyond-style power armor (but better because the tech in DC is better than in the DCAU) that allows all of them to trivialize 99% of the Gotham rogues.
The writers just won't do that, because they want to still be able to do street-level stories while allowing Batman to clown on the Justice League.
Spider-Man has the same problem. Writers want him to remain the same as when his popularity was at it's height (a joking, down-on-his-luck street-level hero), when Spidey should treat most of his rogues as a joke by now.
Random encounter with Tombstone he gets the bane treatment x 100
Batman would break Tombstone's back, I agree
Bruce could take most of Spidey's rogues in the same way Peter did when he first met them. Encounter, fight, lose, retreat, re-evaluate and prep.
Spidey's villains are often sorted into two categories. Idiots/average goons with powers and geniuses or incredibly skilled without powers.
Doc Ock, Vulture, Tinkerer, Mysterio (a special effects genius) are geniuses without powers whereas Chameleon and Kraven are incredibly skilled. These are often the villains that Peter can quite easily overpower but are smart enough where it's rarely ever that easy so Peter's intelligence compliments his powers.
If Bruce can fight Man-Bat, he can fight Vulture. If he can fight Scarecrow, he can fight Mysterio and Chameleon (I know, fear is different to illusion but it's close enough that I'm confident Bruce would win), if he can fight Deathstroke or KGBeast, he can fight Kraven. And Doc Ock is kinda like Mr Freeze. Both geniuses that also have an edge in equipment, the arms/the freeze gun.
Scorpion, Sandman, Rhino, Electro, Hydroman, Venom, Carnage etc are often depicted as morons with incredible power. Peter rarely fights them head on and again, elects to outsmart them to win the day.
That's why Batman could win against Spidey's rogues. Because they're designed to go up against someone that isn't as powerful as them, has to outsmart them often.
By that same token, Peter could clear Bruce's rogues. I genuinely don't understand trying to put one over the other, Bruce and Peter's rogues compliment each other quite well. They're honestly so similar you can find an analogue or just straight one to one with most of them. Peter and Bruce have the best rogues in comics (along with Flash), because they're the best heroes in comics and it's always interesting to see how they'll fare against new villains.
When they teamed up against Kingpin and Ra's Al Ghul, both Bruce and Peter complimented each other and ended up saving the world along with Bruce developing a cure for Kingpin's wife, Vanessa.
When they teamed up against Carnage and the Joker, Bruce held his own against a psychopathic symbiote while Joker kept trying to talk Spidey into killing him. After slapping him around and telling him he's one of the worst human beings he's ever met, Peter refused to kill him because he's better than that and slapped him unconscious instead.
Batman and Spider-Man together? They'd fucking demolish the Gotham and New York crime underworld in one fucking night.
Except, Bruce wouldn’t be strong enough to get a second fight in most cases.
-Encounter villain
-Take one punch
-Dead
Probably the best comment I’ve seen in this entire comment section
@@drksideofthewalthat’s assuming Batman is an average human to begin with
@@imaginaryking5276
Plot armor aside, he basically is an average human in terms of durability.
@@drksideofthewal yeah I can definitely see the average human surviving a fall from space with little to no damage lol 😂
So you basically used high end Batman vs low end Spider-Man villians? Not much of a fight then
I used both of their most consistent showings 👍
@@CRISIS_COMICSThat's not even a fair debate...used peak inconsistent batman against non peak spiderman villains ☝️🤓
@@Kumo0tokoBatman is CONSISTENTLY at that level so it counts
@@Kumo0toko The Feats that Batman shows are very consistent especially against Metas
@@CRISIS_COMICS "lost once to daredevil" is hardly consistent
Batman against venom and carnage:
"i have 70 thousand dollars of green rocks to stop the one from metropolis for you all I need is a penny for a book matches"
Except they both have evolved way past those weaknesses. Read more.
Don't forget ultra Soundwave
Yeah, when one of the points is surviving against Darkseid, you can accept he can hold his own against many villains if not just bet them.
He only held his own because Darkseid wasn’t trying to kill him?
@@TheGATG0bBlinnot to mention he was welding Apokolipian tech against Darkseid.
@@rossjones8426 Yeah that he conveniently got punched into 😭 the writers hold his hand sometimes so hard lol
Video idea: Arkhamverse vs Metal Gear Solid “It’s closer than you think!”
Great vid my bro🦇
Lol, that last bit got me.
I was originally going to comment:
Hell Bat solos.
The last comment from the video took care of that for me.
I love the idea that Batman can fight god or whatever but couldn't bring in Uncle Ben's killer.
Damn bros editting keeps getting better
Thank you so much, means a lot! This one was hard work.
@@CRISIS_COMICS can u make a video on Batman Beyond as in the Batman issue 141 we saw a old Bruce Wayne Zur-En-Arrh beat main line Batman before getting a boomerang in his hand and this Bruce Wayne has not trained for 20 years.
The main problem with any batman comparison: The guy's main power is one hell of a plot armor.
Yeah, it's not much of a debate of whether batman can beat X. There's always something he can pull out of his prison pocket that's been rotting in there for the past 4 years he can throw at a villain and shoo them away. Very much gogo gadget style.
its not plot armour if its explained
@rpmblack7892 no, that just makes it handwaved plot armor
@@willwhite6628 define plot armor
@@rpmblack7892 ''Plot armor is a plot device that protects a fictional character from harm because they are essential to the story's progression. This can include avoiding serious injury, death, or major setbacks, even when their abilities suggest they should not survive.''
Batman has plot armor.
not sure if Juggernaut is a spider-man or X-Men villain but i think he’s the one who finally puts batman to an end.
Pretty sure his an X-Men villain /ally
He's an X-Men villian/ally. Kane Marko can still be outsmarted and eventually defeated, especially if someone knocks off his helmet.
@@Zhello79his helmet protects him from psychic attacks. Something Batman doesn’t have to my knowledge. So he’s gonna have a hard time dealing with him.
@@jamerson4967 Not really due to the fact there were people who weren't as strong as Marko were able to beat him just by outsmarted him. Doesn't have to do much with physicality but even then without his helmet, he is vulnerable without it, becomes open to other attacks, even ones that could knock him out.
@@Zhello79 yeah knock the unstoppable juggernaut out lol not impossible just unviable in most situation for the bat. Nothing short of his best one off suits is knocking marko out.And even then I’m not
To sure. his biggest weakness is physics for a reason not physical attacks. Otherwise he wouldn’t need the helmet and he would be unstoppable short of reality manipulation, or something extreme. He’s doesn’t need to be smart with how strong he is. he’s consistently fought hulk, Thor his strength sometimes on par with them. But shouldn’t be if we are being honest.
His power is thou. As well as his durability healing factor, and stamina.
Anthony Gramuglia made a similar video but I feel like he used the best feats for each Spiderman villain where as this seems to use the worst feats for each? From what I remember from his video, Venom isn't that weak to fire anymore for example. Shouldn't that have been mentioned? I could be wrong though I haven't watched that video in a while.
I haven't watched that video until after posting my own. His evidence is very vague, just hand waving away Venom and Carnage weakness without any real proof or citations. My evidence for Carnage's weakness for example are from as recently as 2019, he also failed to quantify the equipment Batman possess compared to that which Carnage and Venom have resisted, just because they have a better tolerance compared to the 80s or even the movies and games doesn't mean Batman lacks the tools necessary to capitalize on them; which I show and cite.
@@CRISIS_COMICS the equipment he had used not equipment, but he has
@@CRISIS_COMICS Okay fair enough, thanks for answering!
@@CRISIS_COMICS It was when Carnage attained the Darkhold he became a lot more resistant. Haven't read much venom but classically he handled fire and sonics better than even carnage sometimes.
@@Derp-rz1nn Well the lizard isn't falcon level he keeps up with a suppressed Spidey and characters like Vermin. Rhino getting chocked out by daredevil is also a jobbing moment not consistent lol. Daredevil was getting worked by Tombstone.
Ngl this brought an genuine smile to my face while watching this. You clearly didn’t downplay Batman, like other people do! That outro was 🔥 btw
Right he just did the villains
@supersaiyandio1223 na not really batman just no diffs them
Funny how he downplayed eddie with the newspaper yet forgets to show how he's bullied juggernaut and has withstood the flames of Johnny storm and Reed Richard's sonic gun
@@redninja3056 yeah of course he’s Batman why can’t he win
@@heyya3207 I think he cares more about that winning than actually analyzing
Just a quick note about the power scaling and temperatures. The temperature you can get an object to isn't that impressive unless it's a large mass. For comparison the temperature of the average incandescent light bulb filament is around 3000 C, and you could easily get it hotter by increasing the resistance of the wire if you were so inclined. No one would be particularly impressed though because it's such a tiny mass.
It takes a lot more energy to heat a 1kg block of iron up to 100C, and that block of iron would be able to cause a LOT more devastation.
Man you've nerfed Otto so bad. If Batman pumped into Otto or Osborn in the moment without prepping for it the fight could go in either direction. With prep, Batman will always win and I love it but you should go more off of an unexpected meet up.
Batman’s not going to lose his tech or pre established counter-measures whenever a vs battle starts. He’s already put in the work.
I feel it could go either way. If the writers wanted, they could have the Sinister Six find out his identity and jump Batman, as plenty of characters have done so before. But they could also have Batman do weeks of research before entering New York and make the first strike against the Sinister Six.
Yes he does the only question is how much prep he needs. He probably doesn’t need it for half of them but the rest maybe. This is why I think spider man vs Batman villains is more interesting
Yes, Batman kicked The Specter, therefore he is universal level at minimum
Well now you have to do the reverse analysis, can Spider-Man take on Batman's rouge's gallery
Batman vs Spider-Man was never in the top 10 for most talked about comic fights.
25:24-25:38 Funny enough, Brainiac Five once insulted Batman’s tech, calling it disgustingly primitive within earshot. Only for Batman to deduce a riddle that B5 couldn’t solve and use the same Battech that B5 belittled in the first place, in order to defeat Kryptonite Man. That the Legion of Super-Heroes were already struggling to defeat in the first place.
See, Batman can absolutely dog walk a good portion of Spidey's foes, then Morlun walks into the room, hungry for Bat totem energy.
comic book batman is literally plot amor man. bro finds out how to defeat you by the way you breathe and is peak human but in the comics peak human is as strong as the story needs him to be 😭
Every hero is as strong as the writer needs them to be. That is not something exclusive to batman
I really wanna see an in between of these kinds of videos.
Not giving batman one time gadgets and using only the weakest versions of spider-man villains.
But also not making it out like batman would just be one shot insta killed by every spider-man villain ever.
Basically batman vs spider-mans rogues gallery like if it was actually written for a comic instead of powerscaling nonsense
You'd probably have better luck looking on a fanfiction site than youtube ngl
Batman can just see Sandman's MICROSCOPIC-- SOUL. Do you hear yourself? Okay, tell me how. Because he can see ghosts? Sandman is not a ghost. So tell me another one. Okay I'll bite... Does he have microscopic vision? What about ectoplasmic sensors? Maybe ultraviolet spectrum goggles (yes, I did just think of that) but will that pick up a human soul? No and no. Who are you trying to kid?
Cool what ever you say 😂
Plus all he's have to do it kinda deal the same way as clayface
@@Geone1073 correct 💯
@Geone1073 sandman is nowhere near the same as clayface. When's the last time you saw clayface turn into a giant cloud or grow so massive that he can bring devastation to Gotham with ease. It's like comparing a 50 caliber to a nerf gun.
@@sansthememe3288 Batman would just throw water on him and scoop him up
Downplaying Cleetus's fire resistance but highballing batmans spirit vision is next buffoonery.
For people thinking Batman is fodder and can't hang with Spiderman or his villains are literally absurd they really think hes just peak human as in just a human its crazy honestly
It's either that or Spider-Man is fodder to Batman.
@@camerondalton1495 such a one track response lmfao
Batman without preptime and his resources would be more like Daredevil, Captain America or Moon knight in terms of power comparison, which gives him good odds against most of Spidey's roster unless they are going with all they got. But without his resources or preptime I can see the upper levels of Spiderman villains giving him a fight for his life (he can certainly stand up against Green Goblin and Doc Ock, but depending on their tactics at the moment or their own preptime against him, I can see Batman losing. At the end of the day depending on his resources available at the moment, his surroundings and his opponents own battle IQ is what will decide the victory.)
But I hate Batman just winning any fight because of prep time so I prefer it when he doesn't have time to prepare for a fight, because it makes it more interesting
@@mateushenriquepinheiro3197 sure but that's nerfed Batman tho
@@NMbones98 yeah, but unlimited/undefined preptime along with seemingly neverending resources makes him beat anyone in fiction. I prefer when Batman is more balanced, besides all he really needs is his intelligence and usual utility belt in order to deal with Spiderman's rogues gallery
If Batman ended up in 616, the people who have to be the most afraid are the fellow heroes, because he's immediately going to start compiling files on how to take them down if he ever needed it
That was a whole lot of words to describe how Batman is unstoppable. Years of making him just a little more badass and a little more badass have left current Batman as a joke. He was better when he could be taken down by a clown with a crowbar. If a hero just one shots everyone like you said, you lose the tension and it is bad stories. Powers don't make the heroes awesome overcoming obstacles does, but I guess there are people who think Batman is so cool cause he can "beat anyone" who doesn't say Martha.
Good ole Batman lol has been given the best "Plot Armour" in the history of comics 😂
W video. Your vids are peak quality.
I like the idea of Fortnite somehow unironically scaling to Darkseid or Thanos from the crossover scaling, that would be really funny.
If Bruce can fight Man-Bat, he can fight Vulture. If he can fight Scarecrow, he can fight Mysterio and Chameleon , if he can fight Deathstroke, he can fight Kraven.
Scorpion, Sandman, Rhino, Electro etc are basically every superhuman he can't overpower (like most of them), he outsmarts them. Peter rarely fights them head on and again, elects to outsmart them to win the day.
By that same token, Peter could clear Bruce's rogues. Neither is better or really has their lifestyles change because their switched.
And this is before I learned how DD already showed that Spidey's rogues only get as far with him as they do cause he holds back. Even more than Superior Spider-Man implied.
Agree
Mysterio tricked spiderman into get hit by a train dude
0:51 you got your answer
I feel like the dude who got taken out while taking a piss in Batman Begins would have been exactly how Batman would have taken care of shocker LOL
Would Love to see a vs/scaling video on Web of Shadows Spider-Man and Insomniacs Spider-Man
The one caveat I'd mention - The weaknesses Venom and Carange have are inconsistent to a degree. Depending on the writer (and sometimes the event,) the Symbiotes can overcome one or more of their weaknessess. My understanding is that during one of the recent Spiderverse / Venomverse events with Carnage as the Big Bad, Carnage managed to shrug off many of his traditional weaknesses. The hows and whys I'm a little iffy on, to be honest.Keeping up with any comic contuity is difficult at best, especially if they cover / connect to multiple different comic lines as Spider-Man and Batman do.
Bruce Wayne is the 2nd smartest man in DC, too easy for him to deal with Puny ah villains like Electro, Sandman etc the only major threat is Venom, once he figure outs his weakness , Venom is also done, and Wayne would just cure Green Goblin. Doc ock Can be a threat but can he fight failsafe or Thrasher armor?
How is he the Second Smartest when you have the Likes of Mr. Terrific, Blue Beetle, Cyborg, and The Likes?
He stops at SPOT because you have to hit through the spots and trust them as well, but batman is to paranoid
Batman can technically clear the majority of Spider-Man's rouges gallery as long as he can figure out their weaknesses in time without being killed himself
The thing people tend to forgive about Batman is the him being mostly street-level is tied to his unhealthy attachment to Gotham. He could easily wake up one day and be Reed Richards or Iron Man or Mr Terrific if he decides to. Dark Crisis: Worlds Without A Justice League - Batman by Si Spurrier kind of explores that idea a little bit.
Well, now we need to address the obvious question.
Would Spider-Man perform as well against Batman's rogues as everyone says he would?
That being said... you do focus on the low tier showings of these characters a bit too much, I think. Like that time Venom survived a sonic explosion that shattered glass across several city blocks, Sandman being considered an equal partner to The Thing, Rhino doing decently against the Hulk, and numerous Spidey villains being able to break out of Peter's webs, which can hold Hulk and Iron Man on the right occasions.
That's the thing with Marvel vs DC. The showings are just inconsistent enough to argue a curbstomp in most every fight. The less said about the times Superman has been hurt by regular nukes or Thor has been knocked out by handguns, the better.
Or the fact that venom has withstood the flames by human torch
Still , their most recent showings are in favor of Batman
@@user-lp8im7ow8sno they aren’t, especially not against venom nor carnage
@@fwglo They are, Crisis covered every single one of them and they are
@@user-lp8im7ow8sboth venom and carnage are currently stronger than knull my guy
nice style, and i was thinking you forgot a bunch of villains but i see a part 2 in the works
the wall solos ngl
That's The Wall, Brother!
Dude Batman fell from the Moon and Walked away like it's a everyday occurrence. Enough Said.😎👍💯
Batman, the biggest Marysue in comics
It’s Gary Stu.
But batman no perfect
You clearly don’t know Batman at all if you’re that dumb to think he’s a Mary Sue 💀
@@ZeldaMultiverseUnderrated
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
@@vr4892 Okay so we’re both right.
We should not only get a part 2 but a role reversal Spider-Man vs Batman villians
@@Derp-rz1nn well as a huge spiderman fan he probably would to most yes but they have more schycolofical tactics that may give him more trouble than they would Batman where as Batman struggles more physically arguably
Stops at the Symbiotes and Morlun hard stops
Spider-Man adjacent username.
@@CRISIS_COMICS Shh I'm on my burner account
@@benreilly4886The feds are coming for u
He adapts his tech and strategies. It's really simple.
Soooo how about trying the big Bat without his plot armor?? Cuzz the main feats you are using as an argument are that meree plot armor moments :/
You only call it plot armor because you'd rather the reality of the situation back up your own bias. I could have used an entire hours worth of evidence and you'd still call it plot armor lmao. Feats are feats; face the facts. Every time a Spider-Man villain wins it's just plot armor, the writers have to arbitrarily create tension even though Spider-Man should win easily every time. What now?
Christ you make some Batman stans look intelligent. At least they actually know what plot armor means unlike you
@@CRISIS_COMICS for the record, the reason spider-man doesn't just win all the time is because he has to keep from killing his villains in one punch.
@@CRISIS_COMICS also, this works both ways. I have yet to see what's stopping someone like poison ivy from just growing something like a potato in bat-man's brain, instead of just trying to kiss him or whatever
Bro, you should be glad he didn’t use high tier feats with both characters, Batman cooks
I like how he says weakest to strongest yet he misses Vulture and Scorpion.
Yes. And probably with things he already has laying around the bat cave.
this is THE ONLY serious attempt to analyze this whole situation that ACTUALLY takes into account the tools, strategies and past encounters Batman had when theorizing how he'd fare against all these guys I've seen. Everyone else assumes Batman would try to fight everyone with martial arts and batarangs only
Pretty interesting subject to analyze. Batman's countermeasures should allow him to adapt effectively against most Spider Man villains. Overtime.
I wonder how well the relative DC and Mavrel universes would do in a gauntlet without intervention of cosmic multiversal warping transcendent dimensional beings would do against characters like Mori Jin from the God of Highschool or Adam from Record of Ragnarok. Mori Jin is a ever growing powerhouse whose power growth by the end becomes astronomically insane you would need a average universal potency tier fighter just to keep up and even then he will likely surpass your tier in no time. Even in the beginning he was very powerful which was escalating over a few arcs.
And Adam's Eyes of the Lord is a copying power that allows him to close the distance of very wide power gaps and keep up relatively in a fight even in the realm of inaccessible combat speeds and perception speeds.
I would love to see a video if Batman could solo and survive the Vampire Diaries/Originals.
If you just dropped Batman off in Spider-Man's place, no.
He can't prep for Goblin punching a hole in his chest with his fist.
But if you dropped Batman off where Peter started and let him progress, then yes.
Armory thick enough and besides he has 180 gadgets one of them would work
Batman’s beaten people stronger than Goblin with 0 prep.
Which comic?
@@CRISIS_COMICS Stronger, like who?
@@JohnBakum You just described The Green Goblin
I didn't like the results, being more of a Marvel fan, but it was a great and entertaining video. Congratulations.
If his explosives can harm amazo then yeah its a wrap for most villains. And yeah batman is a massively superior martial artist than even cap or daredevil and has better stealth which would be important when in the backfoot
Somehow, I don't think stealth is on daredevil's or cap's mind. Y'know, considering the bright flashy colors that would generally imply that. It's almost as if batman is the only one who actually *needs* to sneak around, due to how vastly weaker he is.
Batman could beat them, he would have a hard time with some of them, but I think he could take them.
Ah yes, Spiderman's rogue gallery at their weakest and Batman at his strongest is what it takes for him to put up a decent fight.
If you think Mysterio beating Mr. Fantastic and Ock coordinating the S6 to beat the Avengers or using Peter’s body to beat Daredevil and Dr Strange is them at their weakest then it is you who is glazing
@@CRISIS_COMICS Mysterio's illusions have also fooled the likes of Wolverine who has superhuman senses which are greater than Batman's. Mysterio has also fooled and tricked other heroes as well who are stronger and have better senses than Batman.
Old Man Logan isn't canon buddy; no he has not.
@@CRISIS_COMICS who said it was only in Old Man Logan where he's fooled him? Also, you were throwing out defeats from other universes as well to boost Batman's odds
@@SJMS.x0930Everything presented in the video was current main continuity Batman so he didn't BOOST anyone's odds
Spider-Man’s villains so as Batman are consistently nerfed due to the plot venom can be afraid of paper on fire but can later tank as much heat as the surface of the sun like it doesn’t make sense
W video crisis could you do a powerscaling video of comics black panther one day thank u
Goblin is nightmare fuel for Batman
great video! just turn the music down a bit because i want to hear you talk
I turned it down multiple times
@@CRISIS_COMICS a couple of minutes near the end i barely heard you 😅
can you turn it way down in the next video?
Of course Batman can defeat them all.
Except Black Cat, he can't defeat her because he will have some "entanglements" with her instead.
Hoping for an eventual Batman vs Doctor Doom video.
doom fodderizes 😭😭
you DARE to even consider that DOOM can lose?!?! preposterous! he is clearly superior to ALL!!! even that WEAKLING that is Richards!
(this totally not propaganda)
All hail doom! @@thiagonet2
Honestly? Though Doom holds basically every other advantage, he might still lose because he would 100% underestimate Batman, just like most Marvel fans do.
Thats like a Ladybug vs Lion fight XD
Batman couldn’t handle High School Flash, I wouldn’t want to fight him either