Is ‘The Breakfast Club’ the Most Important 80s Movie? | The Rewatchables | The Ringer
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and The New York Times’ Wesley Morris spend their Saturday in detention rewatching the 1985 classic ‘The Breakfast Club,’ starring Emilio Estevez, Molly Ringwald, and Anthony Michael Hall, directed by John Hughes.
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This guy politiced The Breakfast Club. This could have been a classic episode and flat out ruins it. Try someone else. Awful.
Jim Norton was asked on Opie & Anthony which Breakfast Club character he was in high school and he said “probably the kid who had his asshole taped shut by Emilio Estevez”
Bill loves to form a claw with his right hand when he’s trying to describe something lol.
You should see him in full lobster mode
Any movie that can get audiences to care about five characters who are stuck in a library through mostly dialogue and to still ignite conversations about what happened to those students once they returned to school is at least a very good movie, period!
Billy Simmons looking like a 300 million dollar man
Joseph Potter I’ve been following Simmons for a while and I’m so happy for him that he was able to create something so profitable following his ESPN departure.
Sooooo Revisionist... Reagan carried 49 states! Even now, there's hundreds of millions of Republican voters in the USA. If I wanted politics, I'd be watching Blue Collar Logic or the Rubin Report. Wesley is smart and adorable, Bill is articulate but goofy, and Chris needs to work on his body language. I don't hate black, gay, or goofy. I get mad when people twist the facts, deny the truth, or try to make the 80s PC for 2020. The 80s ended when the Berlin wall fell, and that was a huge victory for human freedom. Don't spoil them with 2020's politics!
John Hughes is the Martin Scorsese of Teen Movies.
Well put !!
@@brianregan75 😃
I don’t think it’s fair to call these teen movies. I associate that with the crappy movies solely for teens. These are timeless and for every age range.
Why does Bill say John Hughes called it quits after Home Alone? He wrote like 15 more movies dude...most of them just weren't as notable as his 80s flicks.
The Breakfast Club takes place on Saturday, March 24, 1984.
Anthony Michael hall and Emilio Estevez turned down Ferris bueller. Hall turned down the role as ducky in pretty in pink.
It's a shame Hughes was never nominated for an oscar
2 great podcasts within the last 2 days, what a blessing
I know I've been watching Foo Fighters stuff since yesterday lol
Ham SloMo a true ringer blessing
@Mister Roger will eight months ago I was talking about the other podcast...
See that number 2 in the comment?
Black dude saying lots of words and saying absolutely nothing
That's his act . Word vomit
Judd Nelson was perfectly casted for his role. Also, that 'tryin' out for a scholarshiiiiiiip' scene is one of the funniest thing ever.
He was almost too good, because the director thought he was such a jerk that Nelson almost got fired. Evidently it was the actor playing the principle who defended Nelson and talked the director out of firing him.
I always thought though that for a guy from the wrong side of the tracks that was a damn nice overcoat. Like, how the fck would he be wearing that?
@@tristramcoffin926 he stole it or he has worn it for years as the only good thing his parents got him
Major problem when they clearly confuse Simple Minds with Simply Red. Simple Minds were NOT a "soul band." They very much were a Joy Division- and Magazine-influenced, synth-driven new wave band until 1984.
Music is not Simmons' forte. He probably thinks Beethoven is a kind of cheese.
Ah, good catch
Ikr. That was weird and amateurish
@@Bryan8329 Bill didn't say it
Brian was considering suicide with the flare gun, because he failed for the first time, and he didn't know how to handle it. It's actually said during the "roundtable" scene. Claire tells him that failing shop is no reason to kill himself.
Thank you! Yes. It's very clear he wanted to kill himself. Given the fact that it was a flare gun, he was put in Saturday detention instead of being kicked out completely.
Those types of guys are weird. I knew a guy I went to High School with that missed out on being Valedictorian and was Saluatorian instead. He refused to show up for graduation.
Why is Wesley a part of this podcast?!?! He's never watched the movie all the way through! He doesn't like the movie and he hijacks this discussion by crapping on every aspect of the film. This could've been right up there with the Jaws episode, but instead we had too much discussion about OTHER MOVIES!
I was surprised he crapped on Judd’s acting. Sounds a little bit unfair considering that the most iconic scenes and quotes from that movie have Nelson involved. I’d say John Bender is one of the most iconic fictional characters of the 80s.
When has Wesley ever not been terrible? He might be a decent writer, but a horrible podcaster.
@@sickboy1931 I think that has a lot to do with him getting almost all of the best lines.
I agree this could have and should have been great. This other dude made me turn it off. Wow.
Yeah he should not be on here. But everyone has different taste, he is one of them
Molly Ringwald's New Yorker piece was an irrelevant actress trying to be relevant again. It was garbage.
I agree, she has been living off her Hughes movies for decades but jumped on the woke movement like 5 years ago.
I was in high school when this movie came out. I agree it felt like the first time a movie felt genuine from a teenager's perspective. Looking backing it's a funny mix of memorable lines and over acting.
I feel even by 1985 it was a bit dated in how it handled social status...it feels like a film written by someone who grew up in the early 70's....
@@razkable The movie is heavy handed dividing them up into the stereo typical groups: Jock, Nerd, Stoner, Loner, Rich popular girl. I do like that centers on their interactions. Modern equivalent of 12 Angry Men. Takes place in in a few hours in one room. So it relies on dialog and acting.
Totally agree. It’s near and dear to my heart, but it’s melodramatic and cheesy (but still great)
@@razkableJH grew up in the 50s
Judd Nelson deserved a way better career and deserves a comeback and deserved a nom for breakfast club
the "she lives in Canada" joke was repeated in Weird Science. Lol
It’s like my generations Superbad. I was the same age as the kids when that movie came out
Why the woke shit at the end? Not needed.
I’ve seen hundreds of movies that were before my time while growing up but this wasn’t one of them. I remember always looking at the cover of the movie but never actually watching it. I need to give it a watch and a few rewatches.
This is based on the same high school of Mean Girls, Risky Business, Uncle Buck, Sixteen Candles, etc. fame.
@@piteusx8440 Sterotype High located in hollywood?
Wesley is constantly trying out to be Chief of the Politically Correct Police 🚔 Shut Up
He definitely isn’t. Talking about race isn’t what political correctness is. Go listen to him on any of The Ringer podcasts. Dude is thoughtful in the best way.
@@kochevar99lol. nyt writer
Thanks guys. I really enjoyed this long conversation on this topic.
Look, politically, I’m right there with Wesley, but I LOVE this movie even more than Bill, and Wesley kept hijacking the conversation and dragging it all over the place ☹️ I would absolutely watch a Wesley-free re-do.
“He does ALL the talking for like, forty minutes… I don’t need that much of him.”
Yeah 😐
Someone turn up Bill's mic levels, please!
Wesley trying to make a point talking for 2 minutes fumbling for his thoughts and failing miserably to make his point, ruining the flow of the podcast. So frustrating.
A pretender
I clicked on this and *knew *they were going to make some comment about "not enough POC" and it comes literally in the first two minutes. Give it a rest! Let us enjoy a great movie without injecting racial left-wing narratives into everything...
@Thulsa Doom It's not ironic. The suburbs of Chicago were like 95% white in the 1980's, and still are close to that number in many cases. Hughes chose to write about the Chicago suburbs, so it would be bizarre to artificially insert minorities in.
Hughes didn't need an Oscar, he was a master at captivating a generation. He knew how to use every aspect of pop culture, especially fashion and music. I always wanted to know why he used 1999 rather than Purple Rain for the Sheedy scene.
How has there not been a series about the brat pack and all these kids growing up in hollywood in the 80s?
This is the film that I would recommend to anyone who hasn’t watched a John Hughes film; I LOVE this movie. This is gonna make a great listen 🙏🏼🙌🏼
I'm pretty sure everyone has seen a Hughes film
U guys...
Wrestling is a winter sport, so this movie takes place after Christmas, Feb/March
The Emilio Estevez pommel horse moves have NOTHING to do with Footloose. The USA Mens gymnastics team won the 1984 Olympics, spawning the movie Gymkata, but this was a little taste of that. If anything, the handsprings etc of Footloose and many other 80's gymnastic set-pieces derive from Cold War athletic sentiment. I don't mean all of Footloose, but the gymnastic parts of sooo many movies in that time frame. But also, Footloose was Cold War propaganda, masquerading as anti-religious. Really, it was anti-totalitarian, and the freedom to dance is equivalent to the freedom to dissent, or to speak freely.
I need to do a full-length commentary of all the crap u get wrong. I grew up in the Mid-West in the 80s, I was a high school wrestler, and my parents DID ignore me. It's hilarious how lazy you can be about ethnic and class realities because the kids all happen to be pale. There were real
differences between the "rich" kids and the "poor" kids even in small-town Iowa.
The people who lived through the 80's in Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, Minnesota, Missouri, Wisconsin, Nebraska, N/S Dakota, Kansas, and Colorado all knew the struggles of class. Admittedly, there was very little racial discord, but that's why so many of those people reject the current rhetoric of "white privilege." We were ALL white, and only a very few were privileged. John Hughes made movies about us.
TBC and Pretty in Pink are my favorites for soundtrack alone.
I literally saw this movie yesterday.
Estevez' The War at Home is highly underrated.... don't sleeep on it.
Yup. Very good movie
what the fuck does it matter if the move doesnt have black in it?..
Do they have a Rewatchables with Moris where he doesn't cop to basically never really seeing the movie until the night before taping?
The only episodes I’ve heard with him that I could finish were Blow Out, and My Cousin Vinny, he’s pretty insufferable to listen to on most of the others; he pontificates and disrupts the flow. Great writer, though, but not as great on the pods.
Love that you have the guy that’s like:
“No, this movie isn’t that great.”
I love how Simmons apologizes *twice* for interrupting Wesley… and Ryan gives not the smallest shit for perpetually talking all over everyone. 😂
Yup. Every podcast at least 29 times
Probably unanswerable question.... where did one basketball shoe come from and he had time to put it on?!?
Two guys who were pre teens during the 1980's have no clue what they are talking about.
Wesley Morris is 45 years old? Wesley Morris is from the same vampire clan as Keanu Reeves...
So really what you are all saying is DON"T remake this movie. I completely agree.
i think the adults having dead hearts by alison was her assumption of what she feels she gets from her parents who ignore her. your heart must be dead if you can just ignore your child. i could and would have spoken like that in high school.
I love these movie lookbacks - Bill’s in my age group so the choices are on point. John Hughes was the king of teen movies at that time
This podcast series is fantastic! I’m a 90s kid but the 80s had such great movies! Hughes and the action movies just aren’t done like this anymore.
How do you solve the problem with the racist and sexist lines in the movie? Well, we’ve already solved the problem. You just hate on White people. Haven’t you guys been keeping up with pop culture in the last 10 years?
I'm glad you guys are starting to do video pods again. Can you do Drive with Ryan Gosling next please?
As discussed, the buying power of teenagers is a big part of the success. The economic boom meant that media had a new market. Advertising and programming aimed at children also grew exponentially (Think He-Man, Transformers, etc.) But I would add that the definition of a teenager changed.
Teenagers as a separate classification really began in the US after WWII. But then, in many ways, teens were seen as a possible threat to the status quo (dating instead of courting, listening to rock and roll, hanging out at drive-in movies, etc.)
By the 1980s, we were moving away from kids dropping out of school at 16 or graduating at 18 to directly enter the workforce. (College enrollments for teens were about 14% in 1950 and about 45% by 1985). People also began living longer. As a result, the teenage years were extended, so this became a much more separated stage of life than it was before.
And psychologists began to have a better understanding of development and the fact that teen brains are not the same as either kid brains or adult brains. Prior to this, a lot of emphasis was placed on physical puberty, but by that point, social, emotional, and cognitive development were studied with more rigor. I think this movie is a great example of an examination of the social/emotional life of teens... which is why the stakes are high, even though nothing much happens.
He was the mechanic. She was a drummer.
Bill and Chris are better on their own. Third viewpoint not required. Keep the fast forward button handy for any time Wesley speaks. Less is more dude. Wow.
its crazy that 'Dutch' (1991) still gets brushed to the side. That movie is so funny and has alot of heart and life learning lessons when youre a kid. We still watch it every Thanksgiving
some hilarious exchanges in that movie
Its so important I wish I had watched it while I was still in high school.
As a Purdue grad I heard the college question, breakfast club is in the Chicago suburbs, and I was like "Someone would go to Purdue!" Then they all agreed I was right??? Crazy
@Chris. Which Quaker school did you go to for high school? George School?
Peak Ally Sheedy War Games, Hello??
Unfortunately, if The Breakfast Club were made today, it ends with a reporter outside the school giving the details of "This latest tragedy..."
Cameron Frye wears a Gordie Howe Redwings jersey in Ferris Bueller. Did they have to pay for the rights then or is it like free product placement?
Meh ! Not the movie defined my childhood. I go with predator
Every one of their movie podcast has to have some woke nonsense in it.
I love the Breakfast Club but no,it is definitely not the most important 80s movie. I would throw around titles like Raging Bull,Do The Right Thing,Raiders Of The Lost Ark,Blade Runner,Blue Velvet etc. for that title...
Ian Robinson Scarface beats them all
It's all subjective and it really depends on the critera. Die Hard, The Empire Strikes Back, Nightmare on Elm Street, Planes, Trains and Automobiles and E.T. were all game changers.
It's hard to say which movie is most important, but this movie came out when I was a kid, and it definitely had an impact on my generation. The brat pack was a very real thing and those actors were in all the cool movies at that time.
Chris. Are u criticizing fast times at ridgemont high as being less authentic than breakfast club? Expound
Who won the movie HAS to be Judd Nelson!
I’m all about St. Elmo’s Fire. It’s the only movie of it’s kind that really covers after college. And it’s like watching a car crash with the characters.
Just found this channel I love podcast you have a new subscriber thumbs up
The Breakfast Club and Karate Kid are the two greatest teen dramas for different reasons. The Breakfast Club feels so mid-80's on one hand but can also feel timeless. I hope a remake never happens because it would be so heavy handed and agenda pushing these days.
It would basically be five kids, representing five different ethnic groups, sitting in that library, not saying a word to each other and madly texting away to their friends on their smartphones for two hours.
This movie should be mandatory for high schools
Bill needs to ask ace whT it was like dating RingwaldS sister
Wow!...A shoutout to Just One of the Guys...I love that movie for many reasons not just the reason you're thinking...But mostly that reason 😉😉
@Mister Roger 😃
34:00 - Of course Wesley thinks that 1990's 'Men at Work' is "not bad." A large part of that movie's plot revolves around the Emilio Estevez and Charlie Sheen characters being bossed around and watched over by Keith David and Sy Richardson, two African American character actors.
Emilio's apex was the Mighty Ducks movies.
My first girlfriend was not shy about putting the moves on me in front of her parents or my mom. So that make out scene at the end holds up for me.
I came of age in the 1980s and I never thought any of these movies represented the era properly. The underground english music of the 1980s did a far better job of representing the time than the movies did. The movies were the world of the mainstream, not the interesting parts of the time, though there are a couple lesser known films that do hint at it.
Rivers Edge is the only film that comes close to capturing what the 80s were like for me.
Actually Fast Times at Ridgemont High did capture some the angst of being young at that time.
There is always that one person who has to politify EVERYTHING
Wesley is tiring
This other dude adds nothing to the podcast. Next time just use the chair. Had to turn this one off. Just found this podcast and they are funny. This was not.
It’s all a fantastic teenage fever dream, it’s not meant to be interpreted literally. Of course they would’ve been expelled, of course their voices wouldn’t have shattered the glass; what matters is that in that moment, they FELT as if they could. That’s my only gripe, spot on analysis otherwise
Nothing happens in Ferris Bueller?
Shout out to Kevin Smith for including a Brian Johnson in dogma. He mentions John Hughes a lot in that movie
Don't forget Anthony Michael Hall was great as the villain in Edward Scissorhands.
My God man, everything doesn't have to be about race. It really doesn't.
This movie is my all time favorite.
So glad no one has been dumb enough to remake or soft reboot this movie. It's perfect as is. Classic.
This is fucking amazing conversation
Most important? It seems like everybody I knew saw this at least once within 3 years of the theater run, but serious question to anybody: Does this movie resonate with anybody who was over 18 at the time? I wasn't a teenager yet, but I saw when it first came out on home video with high schoolers (who would have been about Simmons's age, now that I think about it). They liked the first 2/3, except the pour-their-hearts-out scene that they thought was kind of tedious and melodramatic, or at least Molly Ringwald's character.
@ 15 minutes or so....Nothing happens in Ferris Buehler? Ummmmm.......they setup an elaborate answering machine system to trick their principle, they impersonate people, they skip school, eat pancreas, see priceless art, go to a Cubs game, perform in a parade, go swimming, drive home, wreck a priceless Ferrari.....NOTHING Happens???? lol I beg to differ.
Anthony Michael Hall's character was supposed to be 5'10.5" in the movie, and he ended up being 6'1" fully grown.
As a Gen Z young man, this film is timeless and so relatable to me even now. Sure theirs some things that don’t hold up, but it’s a brilliantly written and acted film.
Completely agree. I'm Gen S as well and there wasn't much I couldn't relate to
It's timeless and teens today aren't PC. Hollywood is different and they would make it woke.
I wouldn't say its the most important 80s movie but it definitely captured a time and place for Generation X
Gentlemen, there has ALWAYS been a left. Weather Underground was 1960’s through 1970’s. Black Panthers, White Panthers?
By the way 16 candles is still the best john Hughes movie just saying
Andrew = Iowa
Brian = Northwestern
Allison = Barnard
Claire = Illinois Urbana-Champaign (and engaged by senior year)
Bender = ITT
I think Brian could go to University of Chicago, too.
@@britt01 Definitely. Or Purdue.
Love how race comes up twice within the first 5 minutes of the pod
That's Wesley for you.🙄
I love the rewatchables. When they are not moralistic.
You should do Repo man as a rewatchable.
pepppery 💯. Doubt it, the majority audience probably hasn’t seen it.
@@scottv9667 Your probably right, and that's a shame. To that I say Bill Simmons talk to me, we can do a pod about all of the amazing movies that people have missed. Sports pods are disposable, let's do one that will be good for a very long time.!
Kinda felt Fennessey's absence for this one. Sorry, Wesley's a whole lot of words without saying much.
Animal house pretty much was the forerunner of the teen movies that came in the 80s,.
🤘 months
If I ever hear Bill talking about movies again I am calling the police
Did CR refer to Young Guns as a bad movie?? That's a hole in your resumė, my friend.
How in the world have you not done “All the Right Moves?”