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- In this Video we test 8 different thermal pads on a RTX 3090 Founders Edition. NO ONE expected these RESULTS! Which thermal pads should you buy and use?
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0:00 intro
1:49 thermal pad theology
2:52 Pad hardness
3:13 Thermal conductivity
3:40 Stock Pads
4:45 Testing Methodology
6:14 Testing Order
6:22 Allie Express Younuon
7:18 AI Aikenuo
8:04 Minus Pad 8
8:52 Fujipoly Extreme X-e
9:52 Thermalright Extreme odyssey
10:43 Gelid GP Ultimate
11:26 NAB Cooling super max
12:20 Fujipoly Ultra Extreme XR-m
13:23 Testing Data summary
15:52 UNEXPCTED RESULTS
18:00 why best is NOT better
18:53 Closing
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You simply did such an amazing job with this test and deserve every positive comment here :)
Also, I would like to add a small positive side of keeping memory cooler and core hotter :
Since metals (like copper/tin, etc.) get physically bigger the more heated they are, keeping PCB temperature even/uniform across all areas should help in preventing traces/joints being damaged from material fatigue over long period of time (because difference in temperature creates different stretching/compressing mechanical forces inside PCB layers).
I don't know how relevant this is to longevity of the card, hence I classified it only as small positive :)
It may not even be a problem for 5-10 years, since it depends on max. temp difference and number of hot/cold cycles each card had after all.
Thanks, I’m glad someone can appreciate our hard work! It took a long time and several hours to put this together, so we really appreciate it!
i commented not looking at the fact the video was 2 years old just take it with a grain of salt hehe.
Very, VERY few reviewers take the time to do such thorough testing. Bravo 👏 and thank you.
Thanks a lot, make sure to tell all your friends and get subscribed 🙂 a lot of people didn't like the videos so I appreciate it when you do!
@@TekShinji I really enjoyed this... (concerned what this says about me) lol. But the Thermalright pads are the ones i used on mine after seeing loads of videos and recommendations. Mine dropped from 104C to 88C although i did not just replace the pads on the memory modules i did the VRM pads too which i suppose would allow the heatsink to draw closer to the modules and thus create the proper contact which given the thickness deviation from what was advertised is probably quite important. Could you or did you test the thermalright pads but with more than the memory modules replaced? I and others have had excellent temp drops with them and sadly it seems your results are the anomaly which is distressing as yours seems to be the most concise testing i have seen.
And they who take that time seem to grow big.
You know videos like this are made for yt creators to grab money while sponsoring all pads XD
Next content,, battle of thermal paste pleassseeeee
Dude your vids are super comprehensive and well researched. Definitely an interesting outcome with the core absorbing more of that transferred heat. Thermal dynamics has come a long way since the old "hotter air goes upwards" days. Great vid man. 🎃
Thanks so much man! It was a LOT of work but definitely something I think the worls needs to know!
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Dude this is awesome - thank you for not just stopping at which one performed best - seeing the core temps rise due to the increased sinking heat from the memory was something I had never considered
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Great job. Some of my favorite videos are ones by guys like you and Seb who put in a lot of hours like this to produce a single video. It does not go unnoticed, my friend. Adding all the graphs and numbers gave this one a real Gamer's Nexus feel and I know you must take any comparison to them as a high compliment. You deserve it.
As for others who may read this, I've used a generic Amazon pad similar to the one TekShinji does in this test. The kind you can get in the big 200mm x 200mm sheets which is HUGE (you can change many card's pads with one of those). They got the job done for me at a low price. They won't win you any bragging rights if that's what you're in to, but my Gigabyte 3080's been happily hashing away for 5 months with no loss in performance or degradation (knock on wood). My VRAM temps stay at 90C with 80% fan speed with pads replaced on both sides of the PCB. Nothing additional added to the metal backplate. No special fans directing additional air for supplemental cooling. Just one card inside a gaming PC case with the side panel off.
P.S. It's also worth noting, that in my situation, my 3080 required 3 different thicknesses to match what came on my card. As TekShinji mentions in this video, it's extremely important that you get the fit as close to perfect and not substitute the wrong pad sizes because you don't have what you need available. Because I was looking at 3 times the expense of someone doing a card that uses only 1 pad thickness, it led me to try the generic type as well.
Hey there buddy, thank you so much for those kind words. It really does mean a lot to us, this video took nearly two weeks to make and a lot of help from our wonderful resident scientist. Andrew. He really did almost all the work on this video. I just let him go ham!
We hope to make more videos like this in the future. It's just it's extreme time commitment and a lot of work.
Regarding the thickness of pads, that is true. Every card takes a different type of pad. That's why we are comparing the brands and their claims rather than making a how-to or which pad to use on which card since it varies so much.
Brilliant work guys. You also conducted a fantastic analysis of the end-results instead of just posting stock temp data. Love it.
Thanks!
No other content creator comes to mind in terms of such detailed information about something often neglected. Kudos to y'all. Impressive work.
Thank you, it was a lot of work nearly 40 hours went into production of this.
Unbelievably comprehensive, informative video. I do need to repad my graphics card, but I'm a lot less worried about squeezing every degree of cooling out of it. You raised a good point about increasing core temps, I've never heard anyone else point that out before. Kudos
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Yes, that’s why we concluded that the best pad is depending upon your application. Not necessarily the best thermal transference.
Wow, I love how comprehensive this is. I really appreciate all the work you put into this video. It's hard to wade through all the threads on Thermal Grizzly Minus, Gelid and Fujipoly, having a video to reference cost vs effectiveness is awesome! I think I'd go with the Gelid pads, seems like the perfect middle ground. Do you have any experience with the TG-PP-10 putty? The EVGA 3080/90/Ti stock cooler uses custom sized pads and their own putty, trying to find a good alternative to bring down VRAM/Junction temps.
I want to check that stuff out too. Haven't tried it yet myself though!
Thank you for the kind words. A lot of work went into this so we appreciate it:-)
@@TekShinji I can imagine! I haven't done anything this involved yet, but definitely appreciate the work.
Yea it was like 20+ hours of work. Lol. It's best to come join our discord if ya want to chat and such! Let me know if you have any questions?
Really impressive, professional video. Heck, it’s better than professional. Very thorough breakdown of the stats in an easy to understand way for the lay person. I love the narrator’s calm, relaxing voice too!
We only have the best narrators! Yes, Andrew did a lot of work on this video. There's nearly two weeks of work in this video. We're glad that it was easy to digest and easy to understand!
Such an awesome test to go through! 👍🏼 you literally blow me away mate! ☺️ thanks for the tests! Very grateful for this. 🤘🏼
Welcome! I'm glad it helped! We did extensive testing and was able to get some solid data it is truly unheard of the relationship between the core temp and memory temp xfer efficiency
Hey man great content, I've considered some of the thermal pads described in the vid and they would be for normal copper heatsinks for like a raspberry pi (in my case for a ps4 ram chips) my problem is I don't want the heatsink to fall off so I would need one quite sticky. I dont want to buy a thermal epoxy due to the low thermal conductivity and being permanent. Any suggestions on which would stick more effectively in a position like sideways or even upside-down? Lastly good gob on the vid, not much out there on the specific differences on the very different pads. Keep up with the good content😁👍
I must say, well done! This is a great video with only the relevant information. Interesting about the raised core temps on the ones that lower the mem temps the most. Keep up the great content.
Yeah, it's crazy. This is not something we expected. Interesting how increasing chord temps come from the efficiency of heat transference from the memory module. Chips. Makes sense though, the cooler didn't get any bigger but it started taking more heat
Yeah, really interesting result. But most logical, as Spock would say.
Long live Spock!
This kind of information is worth gold. Thank you for doing this (and it makes me feel better about getting the Gelid's in the first place). Comprehensive, easy to understand and to the point.
Also worth to note, using thicker pads means the contact pressure between the cold plate and GPU core is less, which usually translates into a few C increase on the GPU core. It's a tradeoff, cooler RAM means hotter core.
Hey there, thanks for the comment on the feedback. Regarding the thicker pads. This also happened with the thinner pads and every pad we used was relatively close to the tolerances listed. Because of that is why we determined there was more thermal saturation in the cooler.
Very thorough and well done job. Thank you for taking a look at the systemic effects of changing the thermal pads on the memory and considering the system as a whole.
You're welcome buddy, thank you for the comment and make sure to tell all your friends about it!
This was a really helpful video. Very well researched and good job on the video production as well. Keep up the good work.
Thanks!
This video was excellent. You managed to answer every question I've ever had about thermal pads in less than 20 minutes, thank you. Fun fact, I just picked up a MSI Ventus 3x OC 3090 from Best Buy and it has the grizzly thermal pads on the rear from the factory.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. We put a lot of work into this and it's nice when we see stuff like this.
You sure it has the actual grizzly brand? they're like a salmon / pink color doesn't necessarily mean it's from them.
It´s good to add, that you should always measure your old thermal pads and add new of the same height. Otherwise, you might encounter issues, like higher GPU core and/or VRM thermals, when using thicker pads. Or higher memory/VRM temperatures, when using thinner thermal pads.
Another necessary point is, each card can have multiple sizes of pads on various places, so you need to have a supply of multiple sizes of pads.
Thanks for the feedback!
@@TekShinji i was replacing the pads on my GPU last weekend and these were my findings. I had some trouble with measuring stock pads, so i used thicker pads for VRAM, as a result, i had insufficient contact at core and VRM. There is similar issue with backplate, especially when there aren’t enough screws near the padded area. It’s also necessary to understand, which area should be covered by the pads, since the manufacturers tends to use pads as simple & cheap as possible - they´d rather use 1 longer pad, than 2 or more individual pads for each VRAM chip.
Been waiting for this video! Thank you TekShinji! Curious to see if you can compare the Gelid Extreme vs Gelid Ultimate pads.
Ah perhaps that may happen !
This is exactly what I was looking, thanks for the thorough testing guy's. Nice job!
I'm glad you found it! TH-cam doesn't really push videos like this since they're too long. We really appreciate if you tell all your friends 🙂
you are absolutely correct in your analysis: evacuate the heat from the heatsink as well to avoid increased core temps. I would like to see a full copper sheet used vs the more local "raspberry pi" heatsinks.
Yeah, it's so crazy how this happens.
@@TekShinji check out ebay if you guys are interested. The chinese have the concept for sell at different thicknesses and tape applied. I went with scrap 5/16 copper tubing, but for testing & videos the plates are ideal.
The thing is we also have to keep the pads within the scope class realm of availability in practicality. We can't test something that no one can get.
@@TekShinji im referring to copper plate in this comment. They are sold in different thicknesses on ebay. Send me a friend request on discord and ill send you a link. Again this isn’t necessary for what we do with regards to mining but it would extend the life of the component by removing heatsoak.
Thanks for the information!
Funny. I was coincidently recommending Gelid Extreme pads to a friend with many 3090's exactly 3 days ago lol. I personally use Fugipoly but I don't think it's always worth it to invest so much in 17w/mk pads for the so little difference it can "potentially" give. From personal experience, Gelid always been the ones that gave me the best overall results. Nice video by the way!
Exactly, from our testing. There doesn't seem to be much noticeable difference if any. Between the two thing that it's significantly cheaper, it doesn't make much sense.
The Gelid tested here is 'Ultimate' which is considerably more expensive than 'Extreme' (as in twice as expensive) and has much higher conductivity. The Gelid Extreme wouldn't match Fujipoly Ultra Extreme as Gelid Ultimate does.
@@EliteRock hmmm obviously?😂 what's your point exactly?
Actually, Gelid extreme is 12w/mk while Ultimate is 15w/mk. Fugipoly equivalents are 13w/mk and 17w/mk. Honestly, the difference between both extreme vs Gelid Ultimate doesn't justify the price gap between them. Only Fugi Ultimate is really better but still, 75$ for a single pad is overpriced for the little improve over the others it gives. Beside, pricing will differ from one location to another. And like Shinji have said, it all depends on the use you have for them since resistance will vary between most of them. I know Fugipoly extreme and Ultimate have the same resistance but I don't remember for the others..
@@danielchicoine79 Gelid Extreme is 8.5w/mK, not 12w/mK. I paid UK£20 for two 120x20x1.5mm Gelid Ultimates six months ago (for VRMs on a MB that are notoriously under-cooled) but they've dropped to c. £16 since then. Looking at prices here in the UK again, Ultimate now seems to be about 30% more than Extreme (for some reason sheets of Ultimate are bigger than Extreme at 90x50 vs 80x40) not twice as expensive as I stated.
@@EliteRock , odd - just checked the boxes for my Gelid GP-Extreme and they all clearly state 12w/mk. Am I missing something with them being 8.5w/mK somehow?
The best video I’ve seen in a looong, long time on comparing thermal pads/paste/OCing etc. FANTASTIC. Please give us more content like this! Subscribed!!!
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Thank you for all the hard work. Excellent & informative content !
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Great video thanks for taking the time to test I have just re padded my 3090fe was hitting 104c on memory just gaming re padded using 1.5mm odyssey pads with great results max v ram temp now 80c I was so so nervous doing this tho but it's worked core temp has stayed the same max 69c and hotspot max 82c
Thanks buddy appreciate it!
Try Gelid Extreme instead. They're much softer compared to the Gelid Ultimate. One possible flaw with this test is the harder pads do not compress as much, therefore leading to insufficient core mounting pressure.
Another idea is to try thermal putty (TG-PP10). They don't have any hardness, so they can potentially allow the heatsink to be closer to the modules/core allowing for higher clamping and thermal transfer.
Thanks for the information
Hey mate, nice video, i like the gp ultimate. What you think about the kriticalpads or the gpuriser pads with 20W/mk ? Is there a possibility for future testing ?
Greetz
Physically speaking most of the pads of 90% to 95% of the most they will ever be unless technology is change or materials drastically change it’s not gonna go up by much. A lot of the readings and readings from people are by the companies enough by third-party so it’s very difficult to take those numbers at face value. Come join a discord to continue the conversation!
Thanks so much. Purchased NAB Cooling Super Max pad for my M.2 Heatsink.
Awesome dude! I'm glad you enjoyed it:-)
Hi, very nice and complete testing, however I can bring my results which defer a lot from yours .. both me and a friend got a 3080Ti FE. Both suffering from very high stock VRAM temps. (throttle 108-110° during heavy mining, fan immediately to 100%). We both did a repad at almost a similar time (end of August). I went for the Minus Pad 8 , he went for the Thermal Odyssey, both 1.5mm front and back (i tried 2mm first, that did not work, not enough Core contact). We had roughly the exact same temps during mining afterwards during gaming or mining (tried ETH, RVN, ERG), within the same 2°, both excellent, easily down to the 80° with about 60% fan. BUT, more recently I noticed that my temps were getting really bad again, to the point of being back to the 104-108°, at the same or even higher fan speeds (I was mining constantly since then). I took it apart again and ... it's like the Minus 8 pads "leaked", and had water under them now sitting between the ram module and the pad. (I have some pics). Cleaned up everything, and went for the same Thermalright Odyssey this time around. Back to the amazing 70°ish for gaming, 80°ish mining. So yeah, durability and ability to withstand during time is actually super important as well.
Short sum up from my side : Minus 8 Pad and Thermalright Odyssey perf is similar (approx -24° VRAM same conditions), but Minus 8 Pad degraded within 2 full months of constant mining. Let's see about the Odyssey
Thanks for the info 🙂😊🙂!!
Jaques dewever hello can I ask you a question? today I ordered the thermal right thermal pads precisely the thermal right Valor Odin 15w, I ordered them at 1mm for the memories, because ek waterblock declares that on the Vector ftw3 only the 1mm ones can go, I did well to order them right at 1mm and not more than? I hope they don't press too hard to reduce their thickness. thank you
*WARNING* I use water cooling on 3080 and went from 68 C to 96 C in 8 months on Gelid which is tested in the roundup. All silicone based thermal pads are leaking silicone and sooner or later will become junk. ~100 % of pads in consumer market are silicone based but Google it - non-silicone based thermal pads do exist. You will not see claims like 13-17 W/mK but if you do not need to replace them every 6-8 months it is fine I guess.
How is it holding up now?
@@BlackPhilosopher nice, I was wondering about durability as well. Despite the good results on the three most right, there was no way for them to show durability. Thanks for sharing!
I can't thank you enough for making this video I was really struggling with deciding on a thermal pad brand.
Before watching your video I was honestly going to just dish out for the Fujipoly but thanks to your video i ended up with GELID.
1070ti is now sitting at
Now: 30.5MH/S @ 60c, 105W, Fan 60%, 290~300kH/W
Before: 30.5MH/s @70~75c but with maybe 200~250kH/W
Overall (thank to your video) I've noticed a SIGNIFICANT increase in CONSISTENCY.
The 1070ti (Founders Edition) required .5mm, 1mm, 1.5mm, and 2.0mm thermal pads.
I measured each and every pad to ensure they remained the same thickness.
I do have to warn though that the GELID thermal pads are very tough to reuse as they are like a clay substance that sorta crumbles after taking off / putting back on.
here there thanks for watching the vid! i hope things go well and good gaming!~
Oh man, what a good and great tested guide. The speaker has a calm voice and the Infos are very good. Gelid and nb are really the kings of the game. Great testing and overview. Thanks for the work. Just awesome 👌🏼👍🏼
Yea for the price you can't beat it!!
Hello there, great video. Really impressive work considering how much effort all that takes. I recently got a Gigabyte RTX 3090 Turbo Edition and plan on water cooling it with an Alphacool waterblock. I am using this card mostly for mining and want to keep it as cool as possible. Should I stick with the Thermal pads that come with the water block or upgrade to the NAB Cooling super max Pads? Any input is appreciated.
We haven't tried that yet, however, our preliminary testing shows that when it comes to water block since they're much more efficient, it won't matter as much. However, IMO, ads that came with the card were made for the card so you'll have to be careful if you're changing to a different kind because they may be different thicknesses or different hardnesses
I think a contributing factor to the increased GPU core temp with certain pads, is that they are reducing the pressure applied to the core, leaving a thicker paste layer. I expect some temp increase with better VRAM cooling, but not 20c+
Would be interesting to see a high end thermal putty in comparison, since it allows for optimal core contact / pressure.
That would be interesting as well. Let us know how it goes for you!
I actually just got a 6700 XT that was a factory refurb with fresh paste and pads. The consistency / density of the pads appeared to be on par with Gelid Extreme, so pretty good quality to begin with. I tested with Furmark (1080p 8X) before and after switching to U6 Pro thermal putty and PTM7950 for the core.
It dropped -2c core, -10c hotspot, -4c VRAM and -5c VRM. Went from a hotspot delta of 18c, to 10c.
Ambient temp was identical between tests and I used a static fan speed. Let the cards heatsoak and reach steady state before recoding any data.
Very nice regarding your temperatures. Definitely in a good range.
Good vid...though a little misleading.
I run 2 3090 FE's in one of my mining rigs and use Thermalright. They sit at 74 and 78 degrees (virtual memory temp) at my house.
You have to get the thickness perfect. I think there are more than just 1.5mm pads that get used in this GPU.
I wasted the money and bought all sizes .5mm - 3.0mm and then just matched it to the compressed thickness of the stock pad that was used.
I had to remount a couple times to figure it out, but now it's perfect.
It seems obvious with that poor of a result on a quality product that there's an issue you may want to retest.
Just some things to consider!
You're definitely right about there being a lack of content, especially for the rare 3090fe.
Thanks for making it.
Hey there buddy, thank you for the feedback! Will definitely consider this.
Same here. For my 3080 I used thermalright 2mm and at first my mem temp went from 106C to 88C but my gpu die increased from 48C to 68C. I then took the card out and really pressed very hard on the locations where the pads were and also on the center of the cooler where the gpu die is. Now Mining 48C gpu die and 88C memory at 102Mhs.
Thermalright 1.5mm for gpu memory on my watercooled Aorus Xtreme 3090 with Bykski Waterblock. They're definitely firmer than other pads, but 1.5mm is perfect. 76C max vram temps on a mining test with a higher vram memory overclock.
for me, in 3080 82 degrees
"rare" thanks also to people like you. No offense, business is business ...
Perfect! Than, you for your extensive testing and findings. I will keep this sin mind as I look to possibly replace my 3080 thermal pads
You're welcome! Make sure you get subscribe for part two whenever that comes out. And let all your friends know
Great Video, this has been on my mind, I'd like to see the Aikenuo 12W pads compared, if they are what they claim to be. Its hard to want to swap pads on a Card that still under warranty, would simply sticking heat syncs on the back help pull heat from the back plate? Would that be better than transferring it to the main cooler. Let's say you had Fans on both sides, setup like how an Octominer case works?
I would definitely check out my channel cuz I have some videos where I put heat sinks on the back of the card! They're under the thermal stuff. The problem is it wouldn't make much sense because the thermal transference of the thermal pads is inefficient so therefore putting heat sinks on the back won't do as much as it could.
I've done 10ish thermal pad swaps on 3080/90 gpus. I haven't seen core temp increase unless the density of the pad was too much or the size of the thermal pad was to thick. On some gpus I even got a core temp reduction because the stock thermal paste was trash
Edit. I'd love to see you test the gelid gp 12w extreme, it's what I've had the best results with personally.
Thanks for the feedback. Appreciate it!
Hi I have a 3080 TI FE and only pad I can get are Minus pad 8 and Gelid Ultimate, From reddit I found that people are getting more success with 1.5mm pads on core side, 2mm on VRM and 2MM on back side now they all are using Gelid Extreme which sadly I cannot find in my country. Do you recommend Gelid Ultimate?
I BELIEVE YOU because I got similar results but with fewer tries and exploration so thank your for your input!
Thermalright pads are NOT measured on the OO scale. (Sc) means they were measured using a shore C durometer which gives a very very different hardness rating. Although that rating can give you an idea of its hardness, it can not be compared directly with the others. The hardness of the Thermalright pads is noticeable higher than the others which is part of the reason they appear to give the most inconsistent results between users. They can not compress anywhere near as much as the other pads so they struggle to fill the gaps between the cold plate and memory modules. The main reason pads are used on memory modules is because their heights from the pcb are inconsistent due to the production line's soldering process.
I appreciate you pointing this out! I overlooked that it was SC. That would therefore be about 87-94.5 on the shore 00 scale.
i bought the 2.0mm thermalright odyssey in advance (failed to score a gpu yet), would they work better?
It depends on your application and the exact contact pressure required for your card. However, in our testing they do not appear to be made correctly so they automatically fail
So, in the end if there was a separate heatsink for the chips or better heatsink then the core temps of the gpu wouldn't have gone up?
It's likely, however, most GPUs share the heatsink these days. There's a few exceptions, yes, but a lot of them are together
So much job in this video, very nice!
Do you have any suggest for a 3060Ti Tuf? i'm hitting 105 in hotspot
Thanks buddy. It's hard to talk about things like this over comments. Try joining our discord for a continued conversation linked In the description!
What a great video, thank for posting this. Will you say the same rules apply to a 1080ti FE or Titan Xp? I want to change the pads and searching on the subject is how I landed here. I know the blower style is the worse as it is but will the core temps get higher with pads like 12W/mK? Maybe start with 6W/mK? any suggestions are welcome. Thanks and keep up the great videos!!!
Hey there, thanks for the comment and I'm glad you liked it. It would be dependent on what your goal is. Lower memory temps? Lower core temps? And really depends. Based on our data. You can pick the pad that works best for you!
Thanks for the video! Can I also suggest that maybe the core temps were higher, due to the better thermalpads being harder than the stock ones?
Because hard pads would compress less, leading to less contact pressure between heatsink and gpu core, leading to higher gpu core temps.
Hey there, this would prove to be true. However, it seems to be happening across the board with other pads that were software as well that had a higher thermal conductivity. In other words, the lower the memory temperature, the higher the core temp in most situations. It's very interesting though! We thought so too. However, we don't think that was the case now.
I almost always use thermal grizzly, but this time I used the one that you recommended and it ended up being worse thermals then the original thermal pads. I personally didn’t have a good experience with those and will stick with the ones I know.
Thermal grizzly is a very good. They tend to leak more for some reason but your situation will vary.
That's the thing too, everyone's mileage will vary for sure. Based on all the variables we can only go by consistent testing on her end.
Thank you so much for this video, truly appreciated not many reviewers will take the time and effort for this knowledge and accuracy 👏 you are the best I subscribed and like a millions times .
You're very welcome!
some serious testing, real content value, thanks!
Thanks! Glad you found it good!
That's weird, I would have thought that reducing memory temperatures and so reducing temperatures on the PCB and so neighbouring components would lead to decrease of the core temperatures, but it's opposite, weird...
Note to self: Best choice pads are Gelid GP Ultimate 15W or same under diffrent branding NAB Cooling NB Supermax 15W
YUP we has NO idea this would be the result it truly is amazing because NO one has ever talked about this!
Dang it just googled my 3090 trio uses THREE DIFFERENT THICKNESSES!
Oh man! That sux! What were they thinking!?!?!
note to you 😁:I can confirm after 4m of trial, gelid are very solid pads(i dare to say the best thermal pads. just make sure to get the right thickness). they are very good if you go with whatever the manufacturer had in there too if you add thicker they won't compress and you will get inconsistent/poor results
I've used both gelud 15w and 12w, they have different uses. If you need a firm pad use the 15w, if you need a soft pad is 12w.
GeLid is the best!
Did you have a lot of good experience with them?
@@TekShinji yes very good temp difference after using them
Im glad to hear!
Been waiting for someone to do this for a while now. Good job here.
Thanks buddy, we put a lot of work into this. Nearly two weeks of work and a lot of man hours. Andrew did a great job as well!
thank you for doing this comparison i was always curious about this .
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You should try K5 Pro Viscous thermal compound it’s amazing thermal pad replacement it replaces pads up to 3mm thick I found it through LTT and his more FPS for $10 video
So you bought all these pads but didnt buy alphacool or use k5 pro? which are the best. kinda defeats point of this video
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@@AcidBombYT If they are better, it would exacerbate the problem highlighted at the end of the video regarding a saturated cooler heating up the gpu
@@kdl0 umm yea but if you are using after market thermal pads then you probably shouldn't be using a regular cooler. They are most useful with water. The cooler will always be saturated when your just using a fan to blow air against a piece of metal. Air as a fluid is not very efficient at dissipating heat unlike water.
@@shorty808100 I wish $10 got you more fps.
I've repadded a lot of 3090 FE , I've had no problems with the thermalright extreme odyssey , they measure as 1.5mm as advertised using a micrometer . My benchmarking involves running the card at 105C max on the hotspot .On a stock 3090 this usually involves underclocking the ram significantly and usually gets something like 80Mhash . With the thermaltakes and a repaste I'll get 120Mhash with a very high overclock and temps will usually stay at 98 or below with fan sitting at 60% ( which means the card can be pretty much silent when mining).
I've used Gelids as a comparison and found zero difference in performance. I use gelid and thermaltake on Zotac and Msi and not noticed much difference between the two .
Only difference being going for 0.5mm thicker on the gelids vs stock pads due to softness . I generally prefer to use the thermalright and take care to precisely measure the pads with a micrometer ( its all 1.5mm on the 3090 FE) on most 3080 and 3090 other than FE you only need to replace the memory pads front and back , the other components are usually fine with the stock pads whihc is just as well as they often use odd thicknesses like 1.3 and 1.7mm ( its totally fine to sandwich pads together to get the thickness required by the way)
Awesome, thank you for the feedback!
thank you for your hard work, this was very helpful, concise and to the point.
Thank you, we tried our best to condense all of the information into a short as possible video without making it seem lacking of any info.
First time viewer, this is a pretty damn great video - I think you've got yourself another subscriber! Personally I've used Thermalright pads on a couple of 3090 FE cards after fitting EK blocks. In both cases, the temperatures dropped around 10c under memory load compared to the pads EK supply which is about where they should be given the stated conductivity... Since I'm working with blocks, the results aren't directly comparable with yours obviously, and I use liquid metal on the die and the (free and softer) EK pads where heat transfer isn't needed, like on top of the chokes, which would likely mitigate any compression issues the pinned commenter brought up... or maybe the 1mm pads are just made to tighter tolerances or weren't stamped on at the amazon warehouse... (they did measure at 1.0mm).
hey there Thanks for the feed back! water blocks thermal capacity is MUCH higher than standard air cooled so it wont be as much (or even at all a issue)
Mjb10 hello can I ask you a question? today I ordered the thermal right thermal pads precisely the thermal right Valor Odin 15w, I ordered them at 1mm for the memories, because ek waterblock declares that on the Vector ftw3 only the 1mm ones can go, I did well to order them right at 1mm and not more than? I hope they don't press too hard to reduce their thickness. thank you
Have you changed Pads? What pads do you LIKE?
I haven't hanged any, but I have changed some :D I used some cheap ones and it worked fine but it was for gddr6 not gddr6x very excited to watch this. Might update my comment after I finish watching.... :D Edit: 2:15 I have some 5mm pads. 7:24 those the pads I used. Buying some NAB pads now. LOL
fun fact. i did this without recording and posting on TH-cam and my choice was gelid by far. granted i have my cards water-cooled but compared with cheap ones gelid keeps my 3080's and 3080ti's founders at 62-68 junction temp(while mining eth with +1400 mem) while the cheap one after 2 3 months they started loosing thermals. at first the cheap ones(well actually ek ones on one of the cards and different random brands on the other ones) were keeping the cards at 76 degree but than in a span of 4 months the temp started raising/averaging all the way up to 96 degree on some cards
Exactly that is something that would be much harder to test but thanks for the info. We will definitely consider this!
I hope your temps be low!
I changed the pads on my Asus tuf 3090 to gelid ultimate and it made no difference at all my memory is still at 90c+
gelid extreme 2.0mm @ 12.8 w/k on all 6x memory. 110pl on raven equates to 88c with roughly 80F ambient. copper plate and added fan on the card is ideal to remove heatsoak, but not required for hashing purposes.
Thank you for reviewing all these. I went with a Gelid extremes for my 3090 FE, and future 3090 FE cards.
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Wow, what a thorough and insightful analysis!
Thanks!
@tekshinji you've created an excellent video with amazing amount of information.
Wow what can I say but great job you guys!
I would like to see a follow-up on how those pads are performing now if you have that information and what they look like when you open it back up.
But I think the video that needs to be made is adding the heat sinks now what kind and what method so they don't fall and drop onto our motherboards and cause a short!
Any ideas before you make the video would be helpful???
Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate it. It was definitely a ton of work.
Regarding the heat sinks, there's actually already videos on our channel regarding that. Here's just one of them.
th-cam.com/video/gR_rF7GlQB8/w-d-xo.html
If you use thermal tape chances it falling off are basically zero. I use thermal tape as double sided tape and some applications because it's so strong
im glad i stumbled on this channel! subscribed
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Very detailed and thorough review. Well done keep up the good work =)
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I know this was made a year ago but this is quite an invaluable video for thermal pads in general- Amazing work!
I suspected the core temp to increase if the pads are actually effective, but do you tlhink it will be that much of a difference on say a 3080 or 3080 ti which have much less vram chips on them? Thanks!
Hey there buddy, they technically don't have less. Because the 3090 non-TI are the ones that have the chips on the back. So there's overall higher thermal envelope. However another cards only have memory chips on one side.
Thank you very much for all this testing!
So 1.5mm pads should be right for a 3070 Ti Fe aswell right?
I've never personally worked on one of those myself. However, it appears that may be the case. Best idea to Google search yourself. This video is a comparison between the claims and the actual performance of the pads. Not a how to do video on a founder's edition. Since all pads tend to be slightly different depending on the card.
very very useful video, the amount of work is flawless, ty so much guys for doing such a great job and show us the best.
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Pretty nice work and a priceless piece of information. Thanks
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amazing video and great work! 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks!
Thank you so much for this bro, it's hard to find Tp comparison video coz that takes a lot of time to make 🙏
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Very good detail TekShinji!
Thanks! ❤️❤️❤️
Amazing dokumentation! Thanks a lot!
Welcome!
This is all very great info. I'm not changing pads, but it seems to be a reoccurring topic as of late. very interesting to see the results on core temp. i would love to see a follow up regarding different heat sinks.
Awesome!
@@TekShinji Outstanding job on condensing some highly-technical Data & Information while presenting it in a fashion that we can understand! 🇺🇸 😎👍☕
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very useful vid for when I need to change pads. thank you so much
You're welcome!
Great video. Excellent. The effort of all that work, working with that Founders 3090 is to be lauded.
One point. It would have been beneficial to run temperature tests of the stock pads with Noctua NH-T1. (As well as the test you ran of all stock.)
Is it possible the core temp increase was due to pad firmness?
Hey there, thanks for the response! In this case, we kept the thermal paste the same brand and type to keep it consistent. Since we were not targeting core temp, we were looking at memory temperatures for the primary.
@@TekShinji Yes I understood your point that you were looking at the effect of thermal pads on vRAM temperatures. However changing the GPU core thermal paste should reduce the vRAM temps slightly. You should take that reduction into consideration. Your performance thermal-pad temps with high performance thermal-paste may not be accurate. It will read a reduction in vRAM temps that may be partly due to thermal paste.
I know this from experience. It's a long story and I'm not going to explain it here. ... However as I had been looking at your video, TH-cam brought up a similar video by TH-cam algorithm. In this video, the TH-camr clearly states that changing thermal paste alone, affects vRAM temps, so I was right. The stock vs perfromance paste is at about 3.49 in the folowing video.
th-cam.com/video/6jOuqwojuWY/w-d-xo.html
THis other video also does not show an increase in GPU temps with Gelid pads. It does suggest that you may have used thermal pads that were too thick. Hence lifted the height of the GPU from the die, and increased temps. Sorry.
Thank you very much for this video, the best comparative of thermal pads
Thanks buddy really appreciate it. Let everyone know about it!
awesome video and a great eye opener for how much exactly would you heat up the GPU die with efficient VRAM thermal transfer to the cooler
Hey there buddy thanks for watching the whole video. I really appreciate it! It was a big surprise to us as well. Not something we’ve even considered.
Just the video I was looking for, thank you.
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Excellent detailed video, well done!
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Great review. Please them posting. Subscribed!
Thank you buddy! We prefer to call this a analysis instead of a review since we're not necessarily giving any recommendations but just presenting information so people can make the choice
Fantastic video. One of the best ones out there.
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Good comprehensive video. It must have taken a lot of time to do all the tests and I thank you for your time.
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really good channel, keep it up!
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Helpful video thank you.
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This is the only video i was able to find on this topic. Thank you! I found Pullsar Ice Dragon Thermal Pad 17 W/m*k pads but cant find any comperison videos.
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Very good review! Is it possible to test those (and maybe others) on a cpu or gpu, since the thermal load is higher?
Hi there, thanks for the comment. You're asking if it's possible test them on a CPU or GPU since the thermal load is higher.
Not exactly sure what your question is since the video is literally about testing it on GPUs? Technically, a CPU's thermal load on most computers is much lower than the GPU. Could you please restate your question?
enjoyed the detail of the video, information well presented
Thanks a lot! I’m glad you enjoyed it! They are temperatures be cool during gaming and your tea kdr be hi!
Yes, I just liked you attention to detail, some people would find it a bit nerdy, but it was just raw fact and that's what I like
@@markcowell8422 thank you! I tried to pay attention to detail without being too boring lol
Very thorough and learned something at the end that I wouldn't have expected, in regards to the impact of transferring more heat from the VRAM to the core. I wonder if active Water-cooling would make a significant impact here, looking forward to your follow-up video on this.
Yeah man, we had no idea going into it as well. It was a lot of information we learned:-)
yes, water cooling will be much better, i have Asus Strix 1070ti, on air i can get only +320mhz on mem with stock pads, after adding (aliexpress) pads to backplate, i could go to + 450mhz, with water cooling (EKWB and EKWB pads), no backplate, +600mhz, and these are full stable no restart in 2months of mining clocks.
Very nice man!
Geat content, thanks for this! I have the 3090FE, I’m only gaming and cannot decide if I should go for a re-pad or not given the increased heat transfer to the core. The reason I am considering doing this is fan noise - clearly the memtemps are what’s makes the fans spool up on auto while gaming. What’s to expect here? Would a repad, let’s say using the gelid’s, make the core hotter while gaming and in the end not make any difference in fan noise/make it worse or should I expect a quieter card with better ”average combined” temps?
It would be dependent on your situation. However, lower memory temps can never hurt. If you're looking for the lowest noise, then your memory temps are going to be high. If you're looking for the lowest temperatures, then your noise is going to be higher. There's no way to get a free lunch.
A lot of people like to go for the average or middle of the road. However, I did find more efficient heat transfer. Always turns out better in the long run
Thank you for this deep review.
You're welcome! I'm glad that you found it useful!
I love the methodologically sound and accurate approach to presenting data. Keeping as many variables stable/unchanged was a moment I started nerding out, so good to see reviewers take a scientific approach fully and seriously!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the video! I am about to start working on replacing the thermal pads on various Geforce RTX 3090 of different brands: MSI, Asus, Palit, Gigabyte...
I would like to make sure that the thickness of the pads will be right for those cards, considering that they come from different brands. I read online that (1,5mm) is good enough for both sides of the cards. What do you recommend?
Thank you!
Hey there, I personally don't have any experience with that card specifically. However, the best way is to measure them when you're taking them off. And having an assortment of pads available. That way you're not down.
This is awesome and it's like the only thermal pad around up video around
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Good works, the redundancy is appreciated.
Thanks!
THANKS! You earned a thumbs up here! Well done
Glad it helped!
Wow, very nice video! Just what I was looking for, tks!
I use two 100x100x20mm aluminum heatsinks with thermal pads and two 100mm fans on the backplates. They help a lot, but I think the original gpu thermal pads are gone by now and need a replacement.. Is it normal for them to degrade like after 1 year of mining? Tkss
Depending on the make and composition of the pad, sometimes they do degrade after time like all things.
Thank you for the video. My watercooled 3080 was overheating and I got the thermal grizzly pads before I saw this video. But if I ever have to replace them again, I think I will go with the Gelid pads. I do not have memory modules on the back of my 3080 but I did put pads behind the chips to help cool them. I also took some old motherboard heatsinks that were flat on the bottom and use some thermal tape and attached them to the back of my card. I like to think that it is helping as both the back of the card and the heatsinks are now very hot and my temps have started coming down.
That's awesome man. Thanks for the feedback!
Very informative. Thank you!!
Your welcome!
Excellent content - subscribed!
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yes! I discovered a new tech channel. Subscribed!
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Very in depth, love it
Thank you!
Incredible work
Thank you!
very helpful! thank you!
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Thanks for effort, great job! After this video, can we assume that unless its not a trash oem pad or no name aliexpress pad, any thermal pad is okay for generic user who uses card to game and doesn't touch fan curve etc ?
It depends. But generally speaking a good quality pad and a cheap pad have only about 25% or so in difference at the most.
Thanks for the Vid. Had a quesiton, wouldn't the best conductivity be using copper pads with high quality thermal paste?
We have not test that yet. At this time, the problem is pads can account for up to half a millimeter of variation. The metal plates that everyone wants to try does not squish. So it's a little bit of a risk factory. My crack a chip if it's a height of only 2.75 when only a 3 mm is available for example
THANKS Excellent work.
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