He knows enough that he knows he doesn't know as much as he should... And he knows that he really *should* have better tools, but deadlines are deadlines, and content is content. So, in the immortal words of this new generation: "Jus'fuckin' send it bud!"
@@han5vk it's a joke, but mildly true, don't tell me the projects you work on aren't fudged together, be it lack of project management or lack of time/funding. Then engineering has to yolo things together and hope it works. If your projects aren't like that you're not really an engineer. Maybe software, which is basically is the IT guy ;)
Linus awhile back you asked what I wanted to see on the channel. This. This is what I want to see! Y’all using the workshop mythbusters style pushing the boundaries of pc tech.
Isn't it easier and shorter to type you vs y'all? Everyone knows you mean "all of them", so there is no need to go the extra step in differentiating between singular and plural. Or do you like looking hokey(rhymes with pokey)?
@@numberpirate the difference between "you" and "y'all" is less than the difference between "" and "isn't it easier and shorter to type you vs y'all? Everyone knows you mean "all of them", so there is no need to go the extra step in differentiating between singular and plural. Or do you like looking hokey(rhymes with pokey)?"
As an experienced hardcore overclocker who spent many-a-day working with LN2 cooling and shunt mods this video hurt me... because it reminded me of my early days stepping into the hobby. Der8auer and the like make it look so easy after literal years of effort. But I enjoyed every second of this car crash and definitely want more content like this, thanks Alex!
@@thatrealba paid engineers build like shit too. Making an idea work is about more than the planning. Things often work on paper, but fail in practice. There are near limitless variables.
He was an engineering undergrad, who watches a lot of TH-cam videos of actual engineers. He thinks if he watches those TH-cam channels, uses their terminology, and gets Linus to buy him the tools that they use, that he can do actual engineering and fabricating. That half a million dollar shop with $150k worth of welding, machining, and fabrication tools and machinery, and he can't even solder a resistor on to a PCB. Everything he does turns out like trash. He couldn't even get the chiller to do anything more than look pretty with a laser cut sheet metal case and some LEDs. They need to get an actual engineer/fabricator on the payroll. He's just not it. It took him like a grand worth of cast acrylic and days (over several weeks) worth of labor just to machine the reservoir for the desk PC. He made like 20 failed prototypes. I don't get how or who he convinced that he has more abilities than he actually does. Had to have been Yvonne. Was an engineering undergrad, you learn almost zero engineering skills, and next to no fabricating/practical skills. It's mostly math and physics classes and that's why you don't become an engineer just because you have an engineering degree. You need to work at an engineering firm to become an engineer. Like doing rotations and residency to become a physician. He's like most engineering students. They may do really good in the physics/math classes, but couldn't screw two pieces of wood together. But I suspect that he didn't do good in classes either, considering he didn't finish.
Alex: we have this super janky chiller, it might leak idk Also Alex: fills entire thing with expanding foam *Chiller proceeds to leak* Alex: surprised Pikachu face
“We’re going to hack something up with an angle grinder and call it good.” - Alex, surrounded by thousands of dollars worth of amazing cutting machines.
Yeah, it was something special. I'm an EE myself, and work with several hundred. You'd be surprised at how many don't know how to solder at all, it isn't something you learn in school. There was nothing wrong with their iron.
@@stephm0 yeah the iron is fine I've done better with way worse that was the prime example of two engineers actually trying to do the work they design lolol
Preheating boards for soldering is actually one of the many unexpected uses for my 3D printer's heated bed. Very useful. Also getting plastic laminate pliable, softening glue. But most of all I use it to keep my dinner warm.
Yeah that was some of the worst soldering I’ve seen in my entire life. They go through all the effort of making a video about overclocking a card that very few of us can hope to obtain right now, and then just haphazardly glob some solder on the board, talk about how they could have done it correctly, and then just call it good for the lol’s. They didn’t even bother to use any cleaner on the board when they were done. Also, if you’re just going to solder another equal value resistor in parallel to cut the resistance in half, just desolder the original resistor and install a half value resistor. That would have been much more simple.
@@robertbrainard5651 That Hakko wasn’t really a bad soldering iron. It’s no Metcal, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not bad. Their big problem, as they correctly pointed out, was that the board was doing a very good job at syncing away the heat faster than the iron could heat the solder joint. They’re just too freakin spoiled and lazy to follow their own advice to preheat the board before soldering, or take other measures to get enough heat into the board fast enough to properly heat/flow the joint. I used to solder at an aerospace company and this heat dissipation issue is not anything new. They’re just lazy and spoiled.
@@Jibberish81 I share your frustration. I'd say desoldering the old resistor is definitely not easier though, at least in my experience. You run the risk of ruining the pad, and even if you don't you gotta clean it and all that. Piggybacking on top of the old one is faster and easier. Especially considering you have less thermal mass to heat up with more thermal resistance to the board, fighting its heatsinking capability.
Alex: *We’re gonna overclock this RTX 3090 with everything disabled. What could go wrong?* Canadians waking up tomorrow: *Where are the lights? I can’t turn anything on.*
More vids like this please..... Wow the difference from the camera shy boy to the vids you are putting out on your own is massive, you (Alex), Linus, James, Riley, Anthony, Jake in no specific order for me are the core of LTT (on screen). I cant remember when I started to watch this channel, dam, it was something like in the 30k subs and the work you guys do on and off screen since then is truely remarkable.
I remember in the late 90's early 2000's when the overlocking scene really took off, I had a conversation with a gearhead about it. Telling him "I swear squeezing every last frame out of a rig is exactly the same as tuning a car for every last pony." He looked so insulted that I would compare hobbies. Funny what time does to opinions like that.
That still happens to this day. Many car guys are really, *really* dumb. Tuners (the ones with dynos) would get along quite well with overclockers, both change computer values, both can blow things up too!
@@YungEagle3k While i dont agree what MiGujack3 said. But saying cars are more complex is a bit huh. Computers are probably the most complex things mankind has been able to come up with.
@@YungEagle3k cars are honestly so much less complex. I don’t know a whole lot about cars but my dad is an auto shop mechanic and we are both into computers so I believe him when he says computers are much much more complex.
I have that same Hakko soldering iron, and it is easy to accidentally set the offset instead of the temp. If done it can think that it much hotter or colder than it actually is.
the temperature offset thing is confusing as fuck, they call it temperature offset when it's actually a calibration, and it's easier to get to the calibration than the actual temperature adjustment. ridiculous design
I think this is the first time we got to really see Kyle doing something other than standing around, looking mildly uncomfortable with Linus' exuberance. He's a lot more fun than I was expecting and I'm looking forward to seeing him in more videos. He's going to fit in great here.
@@whwhywhywhywhywhywhy You would think this based on the population of the country but you're way off. With 11 official languages the dialects vary extremely. He sounds like an afrikaans native speaker and even then not all of those in SA have the same accent. As a South African I know I'm not spewing bullshit. Also, the numbe of afrikaans native speakers is only around 7 million, which is a lot less than 60 mil
i rememeber being a teen (1999) and my idea of ''advanced' overclocking was taking a room fan, pulling off my side panel on my 500mhz p3 with 64mb ram and a ati rage 128 16mb, then pointing it into the case. i got some pretty good results! stock 90/90, i had solid performance at 125/145 or so if not higher. i miss that
I did exactly the same thing with a Celeron II and the same graphics card, in about 2003. I ended up frying the card and never bought another ATI card again. 😀
@@FusionC6 Eh, I was playing games from 1999 and 2000 that my old Matrox card and Voodoo 3 had struggled with like crazy. I went from 2-3fps with the Matrox to 10-15 fps with the Voodoo, then 20-30fps with the Rage. I had one game it couldn't run, which is why I tried to overclock it. Combat Flight Simulator 3. 👍
Eh, that's still very modern. My first overclocking experiment started when I noticed that the 50 MHz quartz crystal in my Amiga 68030 card was not actually soldered in, so I went and got a 60 MHz crystal from an electronics shop and replaced it. Worked well for a while, then summer came and the system (with absolutely no fans) overheated after about 30 minutes. Plus, gaming back then didn't even care about the overclocking, since it was all designed to run perfect on the base model.
@@ShieTar_ I had an es AMD Athlon 1100 in 1998 (dad was head of R&D at mesh computers) he "acquired" it from work written off as a dead chip slapped it in my first rig and overclocked it to 1.5ghz for me, he had it running a 3dfx guillemot voodoo maxi gamer phoenix with an incredible 16mb of memory on the graphics card, a 4gig hard drive and 256mb of sdram, best christmas present ever. my first upgrade after that was a matrox G400 dualhead graphics card that made games run in hyperspeed when the frame limiter was disabled then a voodoo3 then a geforce fx5900 then a winfast geforce 6800 and then a radeon 2900xt then a zotac gtx580 and now a gigabyte gtx950 a lot of other cards in between that I can't remember along with mobo,ram,cpu upgrades to the point I'm sitting with a semi decent rig (don't game much any more on pc) asus x99 deluxe i7 5960x gtx950 32gb dominator ddr4
you guys could've heated the board with a HEAT GUN FIRST. Lol. you don't gotta hold it up close and cook parts off or something, hold it like 12 inches away and day dream for a little while then check how hot it is
@@13deadghosts I'd have a friggin heart attack from laughter if that happened. Especially the first 30 seconds while he uses a chansaw to open the box.
If you happen to read this, your going to want to do a factory reset on that Hakko unit as your issue is most likely when you "set" its temperature you actually set the temperature calibration. Its a common problem on that unit and the displayed temperature is not the true temperature but much lower.
This new guy is my spirit animal... Cuz this was me working at my last tech repair gig. Every day is a discussion about how we are supposed to suffer without proper tools rather than just getting what we need to get the work done to the best of our ability.
Hearing you got nearly 20% more performance out of the card without LN2 is actually pretty good imo lmao(6% from the k5 repasting and 12% over that) would love to see more.
EVC2 + shunt mod + full cover waterblock + sub-ambient radiator = Insane benefits for the price. And if you do it right, you can actually get a significant uplift for less than double the wattage. Plus it doesn't require constant monitoring!
Except he has tools for tens of thousands dollar and does it on work time and it still always ends ups like shit. If i did something like this i would get fired (which would be fair)
You gotta be careful soldering boards with huge heat capacity. It's always best to warm the whole board up and then use the minimum heat needed to flow the solder. While they're built for big heat spreading ability, there are still very fine traces especially around the GPU itself. Big thermal differentials can shear those tiny traces right in two.
I used to use a toaster oven I rigged a Tiny to so I could actually have an adjustable PID to deal with the temperature ramp in addition to the target temperature and soak time. Worked well enough as a reflow oven but not sure I'd trust it for something like this. Probably would have just masked off around the shunt resistors and then used a heat gun with some soldering paste and a flux pen to just go to town.
This episode is a demonstration on why they are getting one. It has been over a decade since I worked as an electronics technician and my eyes were still twitching.
Their whole lab plan seems extremely rushed. I expect them to do things wrong for quite a while. It's good to have more "labs" but LTT has a history of bad and undetailed benchmarks. They can't even match GN, considering their resources.
Not surprising, the non leaded solder is suppose to take a higher temperature to melt, it saves the planet and your graphics card from dying. But is impossible to work with as leaded and unleaded solder don't form good joins, that's why Louise removes it and starts fresh when rebuilding a circuit.
It doesn't really save your GPU, good old leaded solder is actually way better (in therms of long lasting lifetime) modern electronic solder joints can easily fail within 5-10 years while old school stuff still works. As far as I know its just a thing of saving money more than a enviroment or safety thing. Leaded solder must be worked with active air suction. If not the companies are legally accountable for medical problems. So not leaded means no legal responsability and saving money on not needing air extractors.
so glad I can still buy the stuff so I can use it when I need to. On the scale of things destroying this planet a teensy bit of PbSn solder isn't enough to trigger my conscience
Those newer solders are brittle as hell and god forbid whatever you are working on has a fine oxide layer or any type of electroplate layer, because that will be your fail point in like 3 years.
6:50 I'm running that same iron, and have soldered far higher heat capacity components before with no problems. In that scenario what I'd do is place some al foil and kapton over the plastic components then carefully preheat the area with a heatgun to around 100C, keep the hakko at about 180C. Add some flux, then gently solder the new one making sure to use leaded (NOT LEAD FREE) solder or specialized low melting point solder (used by specialized components that cannot withstand 150C from an iron due to temperature gradients or whatever).
It bugs me so much that they're using a huge flat soldering iron tip for this... and FAT solder wire. Come on guys, i know yall have the budget for a good Weller and some .020 wire!
@@agenericaccount3935 I really do 🤣. I've just built many an industrial control box using the right equipment... and it's one of those things that i notice on a lot of youtuber vids lol.
We did use thinner wire for the final job, helped quite a bit. Also before this video we were already in the process of getting better soldering irons.. now that process is being expediated haha -AC
Quick nerd trick for soldering! Melt the soldering wire above cold hard surface like a metal block or tile. When it hits the droplet will flatten. Use scissors or snips to cut a nice strip to lay between your contacts. Apply a little flux between the contacts and your solder strip. Downward pressure from and apply heat. no mess!
That whole intro to soldering was amazing..."look how much solder is in there?...whats up with this tip?...eww no not that flux...how do you lower this?" the perfect sounds of a professional at work HAHAHA
I did microminature soldering in the Military back in the early 2000's. You def need the RIGHT equipment to put those resistors on. It takes about 5 seconds--with the right tools.
Alex and Kyle form an amazing team. Kyle reminds me so much of my fav work colleague at my first real job gig where I worked 6 years ago - wholesome every time I see em! Alex should consider doing Voiceacting, reading or something as a hobby somewhere down the road, his voice is amazingly relaxing!
Those are not super powerful though... probably wouldn't have worked to heat the solder up enough with that huge GPU ground plane wicking away all the energy.
Also were they in “A” or American mode or C? Im curious if there temp wasn’t actually the temp they thought. Or someone fiddled with it and accidentally reset their calibration curve. Ive seen that in more than one lab before before and you had to reset it to factory settings on those hakkos.
You probably need to reset / re-calibrate the soldering iron - there's a video for that model that shows how to do it easy. Probably someone thought they were adjusting it and that's why its running cold.
Those soldering skills though... For those blaming "cheap" equipment here, I assure you that was absolutely not the problem, simply a lack of training/experience. I would highly recommend taking a community college soldering/assembly class or at least studying the old Pace videos. Like most, I always thought I knew what I was doing too. Once I took a class at JC, I learned how wrong I had been doing it. Now, I can make pretty (and reliable!) joints with even the cheapest Weller firestarter.
yea it looks like they didnt have advanced experience but idk if i agree about equipment not being the problem I had a quick certification training at a manufacturing plant I used to work for. With proper equipment i was able to do some pretty good soldering if i do say so myself. tiny smds, super thin and close processor pins, bgas. At home, i tried to unsolder the broken power jack on my laptop, i was using a $10 iron with no temperature control. With unleaded solder it was pretty much impossible to unsolder it because the iron just did not get hot enough, along with the fact that the jack was acting as a heat soaker, the solder just didnt want to melt. i spent 3 hours trying so I bought a cheap but adjustable iron from amazon and i was able to do it in less than 5 mins. my point being, if your iron doesnt get hot enough then unless your a real expert. its going to be really hard if not impossible
if you don't have a powerful enough soldering iron the only thing that will save you on high power boards like GPUs is a ton of preheating(PCB at or above 100C).
I would say both... We have very good equipment at my workplace and it's simple sailing to solder even with 6-8 layered boards and huge groundsinks. While when I have to do half hard stuff at my crap-mediocre soldering station at home, it is a struggle sometimes.
I have one of those Hakko digital soldering irons; in fact, they are not cheap or unreliable. If I'm not mistaken, by holding down the adjustment buttons you put the iron into calibration mode where you can tell it what temperature it is running at. That is a sure-fire way of making it too hot/never gets hot enough, depending on how you adjust it. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
I was trained and certified to do military grade soldering on ASW equipment....but they used lead based solder ONLY. The 'lead free' stuff is absolute crap and the US military won't use it which causes the EPA to give them grief all the time...but the prints specify the solder and it ain't lead free which takes WAY too much heat to melt. I hate the stuff, but anything consumer available now a days will be lead free which is a pain in the ass IMHO.
After 5 years of loyal, near 24/7 service my Seasonic psu blew up and knocked out one of the circuit breakers in my house. Because it was a well made PSU, my newly acquired 3070ti and all my other hardware survived. I'd trust a Seasonic any day.
Yoooooo!! It's really cool to see crazy stuff like this on LTT videos! A vast majority of content is everyone-friendly, accessible and understandable by everyone, a large amount is techie-minded with crazy stunts like the 5 mile wifi connection, and then the rest is really cool, extremely technical stuff like this!! Super love the variety of content, and I'm glad you guys aren't limiting yourselves to a smaller range of video ideas!
Your solder was spiking meaning you didn't have enough flux. The hakko 888d is totally capable of doing a shunt mod, but melting solder without enough flux is harder.
@1:19 reason for this video @2:17 so much icing. @5:18 how it's really done. @6:32 why it's tough. @7:03 Cool shirt bro. @8:15 Back to the solution. @9:08 possibly a dingo. @11:50 Tech based labour. @14:29 disclaimer.
If you aren’t running a modified bios/ hard modding the component its extremely difficult to damage things with overclocks. You have more control with cpu overclocks so you can technically crank way too much voltage and fry your chip, but killing a graphics card via just changing sliders in something like msi afterburner is almost near impossible. If a gpu dies after running it at the highest allowed power limit then it wasn’t long for this world, and it would almost certainly have died under more stock conditions pretty shortly after anyway.
@@BeatsbyVegas It's also near impossible to fry a cpy today, i have overclocked my cpu and wrote in the wrong settings with instead of 10% to a 100% this just made the pc crash instently but with a quick bios reset it started normally
@@rasmust8044 you are not likely to fry a cpu by entering too high a voltage and POOF the magic smoke, but within a couple months that thing will be toast. But yeah to overclock something so it literally catastrophically fails on you damn near impossible with any setting that is shown to you in any bios or software. And if it does kill it it wasnt the overclock but a fatal flaw that already existed that you found out right then instead of 2 months later.
@@BeatsbyVegas True I just meant it's hard to accidently fry it, but of course you need to test the cpu afterwards you uppd the voltage and clockspeed so its stable aswell to make sure it's properly cooled. And it's also easo enouth so any adult should be able to do it with a little bit of reasearch
Wow, I have that iron and I've never had nearly those problems soldering things that sink a ton of heat, i've even used it to repair video cards that had SMD caps knocked off of them. When I ran into finicky spots, i'd use a hand held butane heat gun to heat the area around the joint for a few seconds, and then id pull out my iron and go to town. Generally this wasn't needed though, I just fluxed it heavily and then got a nice glob of 60/40 on the end of my iron, and then cleaned it up after if necessary. Yea, sometimes it's a bitch on surfaces that sink heat particularly well, but I've used that iron to solder things with a lot more thermal mass than a 3090 PCB
Well, that's because you knew what you were doing and were not a moron like these guys. Honestly, the fat guy is the only one on this entire channel who seems to have a clue about anything. This channel is like the three stooges of PC tech.
I'm sure you could have had higher scores with the mods just using commercial waterblocks and active backplate with the chiller. 🤔 This needs a part 2!
What I want to know is, if you stuck some passive heat sinks on basically everything that makes heat, then put the card outside on a bitter cold day (or maybe in an industrial fridge) with some blowy-mactrons maintaining air circulation; how much of an overclock could we get?
@@Incommensurabilities The thermal conductivity of air is very low, it would do well in a hydrogen environment as well as eliminating the concern of condensation.
"I'm not an angry person, I just like to shout at things" - me too! It's so liberating, especially when something annoys you, of course at the risk of sounding like a bitter/crazy individual. 😆
in the late 90's early 2k's there was a company called Cryocases that made crazy refrigerated cases for overclocking and stuff. It would be interesting to see how those cases handled stuff like this.
@@JohnDanielTrask1 same. I remember being a tech sitting at my desk at the office looking in awe of the gear running. They were crazy expensive. That company went out of business a long time ago I believe.
Takes a pen and draws comprehensively on the board what will be occurred in this process. That's the best chapter of the video. Overclocking is always be risky, complicated process.
Honestly a heat gun works quite well for this - if you are able to set it to a lower speed and use a finer nozzle you can replace SMD components quite a bit easier (and safer) than using a toaster. I think you could do it with the Hakko (I have the exact same unit myself) with a high thermal mass tip. The one you guys were using looks pretty light for that sort of PCB. You can also try pre-heating the board to assist the soldering iron in the future (so you're not bringing the whole thing up to temps that can damage components).
I also had good results with those plier type soldering tips that grab the component from both sides, put a drop of solder on each end to use it for thermal mass and just place it ontop- done.
This is the first DIY video I watched without any intention of doing it myself. I love my 3090, it works wonders when running cad and doing design. I been spoiled so when I used someone elses computer and realized how fast mine is when running programs like cad, I'm great where I'm at.
In my experience soldering to power planes, a lot of those style of soldering irons suffer from the heater cor not properly touching the coper tip, so the core isn't directly heating the tip. I've have much better result shimming the PCB inside the iron so the ceramic core sticks out more and butts up againts the base of the tip, I also add some liquid metal to the inside of the tip to help with thermal coupling
I got a cheap aliexpress iron that uses T12 tips (Integrated heater, sensor and tip) eliminating this issue. It's also quite powerful (managed to solder 6mm2 wire for testing, the power is 120W and it also has some controller that is not dumb and gives more power if it sees temperature dropping to maintain it. The tips are kinda expensive 4$ each but then how often do you change tips.
@@AsdfirePL Honestly, a mid-size company like LMG could and should probably just go for some professional brand iron (be it JBC, Weller, ERSA or something else). They're expensive, and you're easily gonna be out up to 1k for a station and a few tips, but compared to salaries or other business expenses that should be very doable, and you get decent warranty and service on top (which is valuable in a business setting). For personal DIY stuff aliexpress irons are _probably_ fine (unless you have bad luck and get one that randomly catches on fire or exposes mains at the tip), though I personally would still prefer to DIY something like a unisolder as a cheap but good PSU/station and hook up JBC irons and tips to it (mainly because I really like them). When going for bang for the buck, there's also the miniware irons (TS80/TS100) which are great value and handling (low grip-to-tip distance) and really do hold up even on large ground planes.
This was an absolute fun shit show of a time! I love all the leaks and the jank is real! I absolutely loved it! I’m so glad they actually show it all. Ha, it’s not just us that does weird odd stuff!
more power draw doesnt means more speed, it means more power dissipating as heat beiing generated and that creates more resistence and the resistence creates more heat and in the end even if you could pump 2000watts on the gpu it will not get any better clocks it can also reduce the possible clock and speed, thats all about silicon lottery, the better the silicon the better clocks you can get.
years ago, I submerged my computer in mineral oil then put the coils for an ac unit into the oil and it worked beautiful. The sealed tank with the a/c coils and motherboard submerged in oil prevented condensation in the sealed tank.
Can you do a video on competing for the best $1000 build with Anthony, Linus and Alex. Scores could be based on cpu, gpu, the change from $1000, frame rates etc
This guy has access to an entire workshop to do everything to a professional level, but yet every time he does anything on screen it's always a hack job...
"Actually Hardcore Overclocking" is one of the best channels on you tube as well. Extremely detailed breakdown and analysis of anything that could be over clocked. Highly recommend.
I'm excited to see what kind of mods you guys are going to do once you have a proper soldering station or rework station. Do a PWM controller feedback/sense pin potentiometer mod!!!
Wait, a sense pin potentiometer? Like a potentiometer that can auto adjust itself!? If you can happen to direct me to such a device, I will be a very happy tinkerer. PWM are what causes flickering in lights, by design, potentiometer does no such thing, but are much more expensive and generally require a manual touch.
This entire video has given me more anxiety than listening to those stories about cave divers getting trapped in underwater caves in the complete dark. Thanks.
This is the kind of content i really dig! Doing extreme oc and cooling since i was 12 PS: vram cooling is not sufficient even below ambient on the 3090
Suggestion: do a video on why overclocking works to begin with. It's far from obvious for many of us. Why would giving more voltage and current make it faster instead of simply hotter or more smokey? The clock must be involved somehow given the name, but the actual technical mechanism is not at all clear.
Overlocking is literally changing the clock speeds higher than stock. Typically to do that you need to overvolt as well. Doing that causes more heat due to conductivity.
Higher clock speed = more data processed faster. This consumes more power, meaning it then requires more voltage to be stable under load. This then produces more heat, which must be dissipated effectively or the card's thermal protections will throttle back the performance. How much wiggle room you have in each of those factors, and how much measurable performance you gain from it, varies hugely between models, and to a lesser extent even between the specific piece of silicon your card has vs another of the same model.
risking a 3090 is exactly what i expected out of this channel
Must have gotten close enough to the release of the 4090
Not just any 3090. One of the rarest 3090's in the world...
If they don't fry it, Linus will just drop it later anyway 😛
Somebody has to do it...
Bumped you up to 400. You’re welcome. Good day, sir.
it seems to me that Alex is the perfect example of "knowing just enough to be dangerous."
He knows enough that he knows he doesn't know as much as he should...
And he knows that he really *should* have better tools, but deadlines are deadlines, and content is content.
So, in the immortal words of this new generation: "Jus'fuckin' send it bud!"
@@tommitchell7294 he may think he's the smartest cookie but at least half of the office would run laps around him in just about any subject.
Reminds me of my CEO.
@@spunkmire2664 Please don't insult actual engineers by comparing Alex to them, thanks.
@@han5vk it's a joke, but mildly true, don't tell me the projects you work on aren't fudged together, be it lack of project management or lack of time/funding. Then engineering has to yolo things together and hope it works.
If your projects aren't like that you're not really an engineer. Maybe software, which is basically is the IT guy ;)
Linus awhile back you asked what I wanted to see on the channel. This. This is what I want to see! Y’all using the workshop mythbusters style pushing the boundaries of pc tech.
Running it on apple M2 only!
Isn't it easier and shorter to type you vs y'all? Everyone knows you mean "all of them", so there is no need to go the extra step in differentiating between singular and plural. Or do you like looking hokey(rhymes with pokey)?
@@numberpirate typ mor smpl bc w'kno wht y'mean
@@numberpirate 🤨
@@numberpirate the difference between "you" and "y'all" is less than the difference between "" and "isn't it easier and shorter to type you vs y'all? Everyone knows you mean "all of them", so there is no need to go the extra step in differentiating between singular and plural. Or do you like looking hokey(rhymes with pokey)?"
As an experienced hardcore overclocker who spent many-a-day working with LN2 cooling and shunt mods this video hurt me... because it reminded me of my early days stepping into the hobby. Der8auer and the like make it look so easy after literal years of effort.
But I enjoyed every second of this car crash and definitely want more content like this, thanks Alex!
I first overclocked a 486 dx2, so I feel your pain my friend. at least the cache and most of the other modern soc parts were external.
yeah im confused at the whole effort to use the chiller when ln2 is available
LN2 OC is king, had my share of fun when it was real fun... lol
@@WTP_DAVE I guess the point is to use a easier to get consumable, so distilled water instead of ln2
@@WTP_DAVE I'm confused at them struggling with the leaky chiller when they could have left a tub outdoors for some ice water for a plain water loop!
I really like how Alex’s concepts and drawings always sounds quite good. But then we get to the practical parts…
He was an engineering STUDENT, as I recall. He never finished. And this is why pretty much everything he builds is sh*t.
@@thatrealba makes for more entertaining content tho
@@thatrealba paid engineers build like shit too. Making an idea work is about more than the planning. Things often work on paper, but fail in practice. There are near limitless variables.
He was an engineering undergrad, who watches a lot of TH-cam videos of actual engineers. He thinks if he watches those TH-cam channels, uses their terminology, and gets Linus to buy him the tools that they use, that he can do actual engineering and fabricating. That half a million dollar shop with $150k worth of welding, machining, and fabrication tools and machinery, and he can't even solder a resistor on to a PCB. Everything he does turns out like trash. He couldn't even get the chiller to do anything more than look pretty with a laser cut sheet metal case and some LEDs. They need to get an actual engineer/fabricator on the payroll. He's just not it. It took him like a grand worth of cast acrylic and days (over several weeks) worth of labor just to machine the reservoir for the desk PC. He made like 20 failed prototypes. I don't get how or who he convinced that he has more abilities than he actually does. Had to have been Yvonne. Was an engineering undergrad, you learn almost zero engineering skills, and next to no fabricating/practical skills. It's mostly math and physics classes and that's why you don't become an engineer just because you have an engineering degree. You need to work at an engineering firm to become an engineer. Like doing rotations and residency to become a physician. He's like most engineering students. They may do really good in the physics/math classes, but couldn't screw two pieces of wood together. But I suspect that he didn't do good in classes either, considering he didn't finish.
What I don't understand is how he can wind up in the job, and then still not bother learning what he needs to know.
Alex and Kyle need their own video segments, they're hysterical together!
No
😂is he African?
@@Joe-og6br Yes
17:48 That screen flicker was so perfectly timed with what Alex was saying about risking a card for OCing.
The CPU wasn't ~quite~ stable and would occasionally crash right there. Opening the door and letting the 0° air in helped a lot -AC
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Alex: we have this super janky chiller, it might leak idk
Also Alex: fills entire thing with expanding foam
*Chiller proceeds to leak*
Alex: surprised Pikachu face
Welcome to LTT
“We’re going to hack something up with an angle grinder and call it good.” - Alex, surrounded by thousands of dollars worth of amazing cutting machines.
"poor GPU, it didn't deserve any of this"
*Looks at 3090 prices*
Yes, yes it did.
blame scalpers instead
its also the flagship gpu
@@petersantana4986 actually that the 3090 Ti now NOT the 3090. Also I blame scalpers and Miners for these sstupid prices
@@Montisaquadeis yeah its not like covid or a silicone shortage exists
@@charmsly9506 it's a combination of numerous factors
Watching this "solder-job" hurts me on so many levels
I know it's hard, but I guess you'll just have to solder on...
Yeah, it was something special. I'm an EE myself, and work with several hundred. You'd be surprised at how many don't know how to solder at all, it isn't something you learn in school.
There was nothing wrong with their iron.
The audacity to blame it on the soldering iron too. That Hakko station is great
@@MTGeomancer I learned it in undergrad for Mechatronics engineering
@@stephm0 yeah the iron is fine I've done better with way worse that was the prime example of two engineers actually trying to do the work they design lolol
Preheating boards for soldering is actually one of the many unexpected uses for my 3D printer's heated bed. Very useful.
Also getting plastic laminate pliable, softening glue. But most of all I use it to keep my dinner warm.
As someone who does soldering professionally, watching this really hurt xD
I dont solder professionally and it still hurt
Calling it ''soldering'' hurts even! 😉
Yeah that was some of the worst soldering I’ve seen in my entire life. They go through all the effort of making a video about overclocking a card that very few of us can hope to obtain right now, and then just haphazardly glob some solder on the board, talk about how they could have done it correctly, and then just call it good for the lol’s. They didn’t even bother to use any cleaner on the board when they were done. Also, if you’re just going to solder another equal value resistor in parallel to cut the resistance in half, just desolder the original resistor and install a half value resistor. That would have been much more simple.
@@robertbrainard5651 That Hakko wasn’t really a bad soldering iron. It’s no Metcal, don’t get me wrong, but it’s not bad. Their big problem, as they correctly pointed out, was that the board was doing a very good job at syncing away the heat faster than the iron could heat the solder joint. They’re just too freakin spoiled and lazy to follow their own advice to preheat the board before soldering, or take other measures to get enough heat into the board fast enough to properly heat/flow the joint. I used to solder at an aerospace company and this heat dissipation issue is not anything new. They’re just lazy and spoiled.
@@Jibberish81 I share your frustration. I'd say desoldering the old resistor is definitely not easier though, at least in my experience. You run the risk of ruining the pad, and even if you don't you gotta clean it and all that. Piggybacking on top of the old one is faster and easier. Especially considering you have less thermal mass to heat up with more thermal resistance to the board, fighting its heatsinking capability.
Alex: *We’re gonna overclock this RTX 3090 with everything disabled. What could go wrong?*
Canadians waking up tomorrow: *Where are the lights? I can’t turn anything on.*
That’s what happens when Linus isn’t in the room to reign Alex in.
They got power issues
Don't worry i heard some canadians are working in a generator that uses honking to generate power!
@@Happiness-lp9fw oof.
It's Canada, not Texas.
More vids like this please.....
Wow the difference from the camera shy boy to the vids you are putting out on your own is massive, you (Alex), Linus, James, Riley, Anthony, Jake in no specific order for me are the core of LTT (on screen).
I cant remember when I started to watch this channel, dam, it was something like in the 30k subs and the work you guys do on and off screen since then is truely remarkable.
Kyle wearing the Live Laugh Liao shirt cracked me up!
It is comfortable to my eyes.
That's gonna be a new product in the making, right?
I remember in the late 90's early 2000's when the overlocking scene really took off, I had a conversation with a gearhead about it. Telling him "I swear squeezing every last frame out of a rig is exactly the same as tuning a car for every last pony." He looked so insulted that I would compare hobbies. Funny what time does to opinions like that.
That still happens to this day. Many car guys are really, *really* dumb. Tuners (the ones with dynos) would get along quite well with overclockers, both change computer values, both can blow things up too!
Cars are far more complex, far more moving parts plus getting dirty while not getting dirty 😂
@@YungEagle3k While i dont agree what MiGujack3 said. But saying cars are more complex is a bit huh. Computers are probably the most complex things mankind has been able to come up with.
@@YungEagle3k cars are honestly so much less complex. I don’t know a whole lot about cars but my dad is an auto shop mechanic and we are both into computers so I believe him when he says computers are much much more complex.
But it is true, they are similar in the way that you get more performance
I have that same Hakko soldering iron, and it is easy to accidentally set the offset instead of the temp. If done it can think that it much hotter or colder than it actually is.
Sqeaky
It's sponsored by TSMC, they sell more GPU chips if you do this at home!
What soldering iron is this? Does this one use the T12 / T15 tips?
the temperature offset thing is confusing as fuck, they call it temperature offset when it's actually a calibration, and it's easier to get to the calibration than the actual temperature adjustment. ridiculous design
Yeah but they were trying to solder onto ground/power planes. So that iron just doesn't have enough grunt for the application.
@@deth3021 nah, it definitely has enough power to do it. I use that exact same iron at work all the time.
"I'm not an angry person, I just like shouting at things"
- Every electrical engineer ever
Every builder of things or solver of problems
Every engineer scream at the tools they don't own, lol, I do too.
Every Engineer shouts at tools not working what it needs to.
I think this is the first time we got to really see Kyle doing something other than standing around, looking mildly uncomfortable with Linus' exuberance. He's a lot more fun than I was expecting and I'm looking forward to seeing him in more videos. He's going to fit in great here.
I have a feeling he's gonna feature heavily in LTT Labs stuff
He sounds like he's a South African. The accent is very unique.
@@alcorza3567 I also got that idea when he started talking 😂
@@alcorza3567 if he's from South Africa there around 60 million people with similar accents
@@whwhywhywhywhywhywhy You would think this based on the population of the country but you're way off. With 11 official languages the dialects vary extremely. He sounds like an afrikaans native speaker and even then not all of those in SA have the same accent. As a South African I know I'm not spewing bullshit. Also, the numbe of afrikaans native speakers is only around 7 million, which is a lot less than 60 mil
You guys are really good at making things look more difficult than they are.
Serioisly wtf
i rememeber being a teen (1999) and my idea of ''advanced' overclocking was taking a room fan, pulling off my side panel on my 500mhz p3 with 64mb ram and a ati rage 128 16mb, then pointing it into the case. i got some pretty good results! stock 90/90, i had solid performance at 125/145 or so if not higher. i miss that
I did exactly the same thing with a Celeron II and the same graphics card, in about 2003. I ended up frying the card and never bought another ATI card again. 😀
@@TehButterflyEffect that card in 2003 wasn't any good for anygthing anyways lol
@@FusionC6 Eh, I was playing games from 1999 and 2000 that my old Matrox card and Voodoo 3 had struggled with like crazy. I went from 2-3fps with the Matrox to 10-15 fps with the Voodoo, then 20-30fps with the Rage. I had one game it couldn't run, which is why I tried to overclock it.
Combat Flight Simulator 3. 👍
Eh, that's still very modern. My first overclocking experiment started when I noticed that the 50 MHz quartz crystal in my Amiga 68030 card was not actually soldered in, so I went and got a 60 MHz crystal from an electronics shop and replaced it.
Worked well for a while, then summer came and the system (with absolutely no fans) overheated after about 30 minutes.
Plus, gaming back then didn't even care about the overclocking, since it was all designed to run perfect on the base model.
@@ShieTar_ I had an es AMD Athlon 1100 in 1998 (dad was head of R&D at mesh computers) he "acquired" it from work written off as a dead chip slapped it in my first rig and overclocked it to 1.5ghz for me, he had it running a 3dfx guillemot voodoo maxi gamer phoenix with an incredible 16mb of memory on the graphics card, a 4gig hard drive and 256mb of sdram, best christmas present ever.
my first upgrade after that was a matrox G400 dualhead graphics card that made games run in hyperspeed when the frame limiter was disabled then a voodoo3 then a geforce fx5900 then a winfast geforce 6800 and then a radeon 2900xt then a zotac gtx580 and now a gigabyte gtx950
a lot of other cards in between that I can't remember along with mobo,ram,cpu upgrades to the point I'm sitting with a semi decent rig (don't game much any more on pc)
asus x99 deluxe
i7 5960x
gtx950
32gb dominator ddr4
Holy crap! And I thought MY solder joints looked bad! Thank you for making me feel better about my electronics skills.
If they look worse than this you REALLY have a problem.
you guys could've heated the board with a HEAT GUN FIRST. Lol. you don't gotta hold it up close and cook parts off or something, hold it like 12 inches away and day dream for a little while then check how hot it is
"Half a while"
"Some fast"
"Boot 'er up"
Alex has to be the most Canuckian staff member at LTT
Boltr: 3090 Edition :P
I would kill for an LTT Episode narrated by AvE
If Alex doesn't play hockey, I will be disappointed.
You forgot "bippity boppity" (18:21)
@@13deadghosts I'd have a friggin heart attack from laughter if that happened. Especially the first 30 seconds while he uses a chansaw to open the box.
alex's brother wayne lives in a small town called letterkenny
If you happen to read this, your going to want to do a factory reset on that Hakko unit as your issue is most likely when you "set" its temperature you actually set the temperature calibration. Its a common problem on that unit and the displayed temperature is not the true temperature but much lower.
This would explain why a Hakko was performing so bad I imagine. Was wondering that.
yeah that iron is definitely more than ample for the job, clearly some setting was wrong, ty
@@mycosys yeah Ii use it to solder onto small copper plates at 650F with no issues.
This new guy is my spirit animal... Cuz this was me working at my last tech repair gig. Every day is a discussion about how we are supposed to suffer without proper tools rather than just getting what we need to get the work done to the best of our ability.
I hope Seasonic paid well for this, because this made a great promo piece for their power supplies.
Hearing you got nearly 20% more performance out of the card without LN2 is actually pretty good imo lmao(6% from the k5 repasting and 12% over that) would love to see more.
I mean I got 19% performance boost on air out of my 6800 XT without ever opening up the card, though I wasn't starting at 390 Watts.
Everyone can do it just on water, they just don't know how to use evc2.
EVC2 + shunt mod + full cover waterblock + sub-ambient radiator = Insane benefits for the price. And if you do it right, you can actually get a significant uplift for less than double the wattage. Plus it doesn't require constant monitoring!
I'd love to see them mess around with liquid nitrogen
Im only 30 seconds into the video and Im already loving it. Cant wait to see what Professor Alex has got for us today.
The fact that you guys keep that card alive was a success for me. Nice job!
I think my favorite part of Alex's projects is how they always turn out looking like my own projects.
Except he has tools for tens of thousands dollar and does it on work time and it still always ends ups like shit. If i did something like this i would get fired (which would be fair)
Every time I see that Water chiller I cry for the lack of hose clamps
Customer support: Which way do you think you may have voided the warranty on your 3090?
LTT: Yes
It would go more like this.
(GPU company- So how did you manage to void the warranty?
LTT- every possible way.
Absolute love the chaotic creative and risky mods to expensive stuff episodes you guys do!!
Here is the plan:
"To get a GPU..."
Mission failed, we will get em next time
It's a shame you didn't have a watt meter on the wall to measure draw at the outlet on this. That would have been interesting to see.
For what he said, the draw is over 1200w, judging by the low waste seasonic is know for you can put 10% over that
@@Br-Shaft that was only an estimated draw. It's probably accurate but if something can be measured you should measure it.
I still think you should hook the "Chilltrocity" to a plate heat exchanger and use it to do chilled water loops.
You gotta be careful soldering boards with huge heat capacity. It's always best to warm the whole board up and then use the minimum heat needed to flow the solder. While they're built for big heat spreading ability, there are still very fine traces especially around the GPU itself. Big thermal differentials can shear those tiny traces right in two.
Things like this make me happy to keep my sapphire 5700XT nitro+ as stock, much easier to keep reliability than trying to do.... this
I just lost 4 days of SMD capacitor soldering only to know on the 5th day that many of them had cracked because of uneven heat / thermal cycling.
@@prashanthb6521 that’s a bad time. You may need to invest in a heat plate my friend :)
Hot air station for the win
I used to use a toaster oven I rigged a Tiny to so I could actually have an adjustable PID to deal with the temperature ramp in addition to the target temperature and soak time. Worked well enough as a reflow oven but not sure I'd trust it for something like this. Probably would have just masked off around the shunt resistors and then used a heat gun with some soldering paste and a flux pen to just go to town.
Alex :we don't have a full blown lab
The new ltt lab : Are we a joke to you
Future joke
This episode is a demonstration on why they are getting one. It has been over a decade since I worked as an electronics technician and my eyes were still twitching.
Their whole lab plan seems extremely rushed. I expect them to do things wrong for quite a while. It's good to have more "labs" but LTT has a history of bad and undetailed benchmarks. They can't even match GN, considering their resources.
You monsters… OMG that poor board. Y’all just straight up evil. 7:33
Not surprising, the non leaded solder is suppose to take a higher temperature to melt, it saves the planet and your graphics card from dying. But is impossible to work with as leaded and unleaded solder don't form good joins, that's why Louise removes it and starts fresh when rebuilding a circuit.
It doesn't really save your GPU, good old leaded solder is actually way better (in therms of long lasting lifetime) modern electronic solder joints can easily fail within 5-10 years while old school stuff still works. As far as I know its just a thing of saving money more than a enviroment or safety thing.
Leaded solder must be worked with active air suction. If not the companies are legally accountable for medical problems. So not leaded means no legal responsability and saving money on not needing air extractors.
so glad I can still buy the stuff so I can use it when I need to. On the scale of things destroying this planet a teensy bit of PbSn solder isn't enough to trigger my conscience
Those newer solders are brittle as hell and god forbid whatever you are working on has a fine oxide layer or any type of electroplate layer, because that will be your fail point in like 3 years.
Saves the planet? Lol, no.
@@israelmxc That's for the flux fumes. You still need air filter/whatever for lead free solder. There is bugger all lead vapor.
I actually managed to get my hands on a 3090FE, and this was still one of the most painful videos I've seen on LTT.
I bow down to your glory
i have a 1030 gt
How's the cooler on the FE 3090. I've heard FE typically had poor cooling but the 30RTX series has rectified that issue?
please reassure your card you'll never do something like this to her!
SAME. I re-timmed my Memory pads but not trashing the beautiful FE cooler. This made me cry a bit ;p.
love wild janky projects like these, my favorite kind of LTT videos, more, more, more! Just don't go too far and ruin the Canadian electricity grid
Lmao
The grid be damned! 13000!
6:50 I'm running that same iron, and have soldered far higher heat capacity components before with no problems. In that scenario what I'd do is place some al foil and kapton over the plastic components then carefully preheat the area with a heatgun to around 100C, keep the hakko at about 180C. Add some flux, then gently solder the new one making sure to use leaded (NOT LEAD FREE) solder or specialized low melting point solder (used by specialized components that cannot withstand 150C from an iron due to temperature gradients or whatever).
Could be that someone screwed with the calibration. I did it by accident.
@@MaritimesNB thank you! I just decided to live with my fuck up. It's not like I know what temperature it should be at anyway
I mean clearly they didn’t use enough flux so
It bugs me so much that they're using a huge flat soldering iron tip for this... and FAT solder wire. Come on guys, i know yall have the budget for a good Weller and some .020 wire!
it is what it is. more money than sense
Calm down
@@agenericaccount3935 I really do 🤣. I've just built many an industrial control box using the right equipment... and it's one of those things that i notice on a lot of youtuber vids lol.
We did use thinner wire for the final job, helped quite a bit. Also before this video we were already in the process of getting better soldering irons.. now that process is being expediated haha -AC
@@LinusTechTips even just a thinner tip on the Hakko would’ve made a massive difference
Quick nerd trick for soldering! Melt the soldering wire above cold hard surface like a metal block or tile. When it hits the droplet will flatten. Use scissors or snips to cut a nice strip to lay between your contacts. Apply a little flux between the contacts and your solder strip. Downward pressure from and apply heat. no mess!
That whole intro to soldering was amazing..."look how much solder is in there?...whats up with this tip?...eww no not that flux...how do you lower this?" the perfect sounds of a professional at work HAHAHA
LTT: ”Hardcore overclocking is very easy”
Me who brunt down my GPU and CPU in 3 minutes:
Yes indeed! Im pretty much an expert myself!
Now i look dumb because they changed the title of the video
Also, that's some nice sparkles
@Matyó Török Shit! Now i look even dumber
I did microminature soldering in the Military back in the early 2000's. You def need the RIGHT equipment to put those resistors on. It takes about 5 seconds--with the right tools.
Caution: this may void your warranty! xD
Just stick it in the toaster!
I absolutly love your borderline insane projects! Keep it up boys 'n' girls!
HAHAHAHA XD
I loved seeing Buildzoid getting involved in a project like this. Love all the AHOC content!
His voice was instantly recognizable.
Alex and Kyle form an amazing team. Kyle reminds me so much of my fav work colleague at my first real job gig where I worked 6 years ago - wholesome every time I see em! Alex should consider doing Voiceacting, reading or something as a hobby somewhere down the road, his voice is amazingly relaxing!
Alex + overclocking = this is gonna be an amazing video
FYI, Weller sells tweezer irons for these types of SMD resistors. They heat both ends of the resistor at once, and keep it from sliding around.
Now that sounds like something I should have bought or invented 10 years ago, I must have one
Those are not super powerful though... probably wouldn't have worked to heat the solder up enough with that huge GPU ground plane wicking away all the energy.
Also were they in “A” or American mode or C? Im curious if there temp wasn’t actually the temp they thought. Or someone fiddled with it and accidentally reset their calibration curve. Ive seen that in more than one lab before before and you had to reset it to factory settings on those hakkos.
These are garbage, the best solution is to use a heatgun to warm up the board and then use two soldering irons so you can connect both ends at once.
2 times 40 watts are maybe enough to get some wieners hot. And you can get the big jbc with 2 irons for the price of a micro tweezers set.
Coming back to this channel after 2 months and the gpu crunch - Kinda gets my heart going! LOL
Kyle is such a cool guy (not an angry person 😄). Hope wee gonna see him more often
Is he new?
And he’s South African !
@@Pseudomeaningful that bloody accent, don't hear it too much here in my corner of Aus, so made my heart beat green and gold again
'Yah, shame man' got me lol
@@matthew9341 oh I miss that soo much 🤣🤣
You probably need to reset / re-calibrate the soldering iron - there's a video for that model that shows how to do it easy. Probably someone thought they were adjusting it and that's why its running cold.
kyle needs his own ltt series working with power supplys and alex working with gpus and linus well being linus jack of all trades lol !
Those soldering skills though...
For those blaming "cheap" equipment here, I assure you that was absolutely not the problem, simply a lack of training/experience.
I would highly recommend taking a community college soldering/assembly class or at least studying the old Pace videos.
Like most, I always thought I knew what I was doing too. Once I took a class at JC, I learned how wrong I had been doing it.
Now, I can make pretty (and reliable!) joints with even the cheapest Weller firestarter.
yea it looks like they didnt have advanced experience but idk if i agree about equipment not being the problem
I had a quick certification training at a manufacturing plant I used to work for. With proper equipment i was able to do some pretty good soldering if i do say so myself. tiny smds, super thin and close processor pins, bgas.
At home, i tried to unsolder the broken power jack on my laptop, i was using a $10 iron with no temperature control. With unleaded solder it was pretty much impossible to unsolder it because the iron just did not get hot enough, along with the fact that the jack was acting as a heat soaker, the solder just didnt want to melt. i spent 3 hours trying
so I bought a cheap but adjustable iron from amazon and i was able to do it in less than 5 mins. my point being, if your iron doesnt get hot enough then unless your a real expert. its going to be really hard if not impossible
if you don't have a powerful enough soldering iron the only thing that will save you on high power boards like GPUs is a ton of preheating(PCB at or above 100C).
I would say both... We have very good equipment at my workplace and it's simple sailing to solder even with 6-8 layered boards and huge groundsinks. While when I have to do half hard stuff at my crap-mediocre soldering station at home, it is a struggle sometimes.
I have one of those Hakko digital soldering irons; in fact, they are not cheap or unreliable. If I'm not mistaken, by holding down the adjustment buttons you put the iron into calibration mode where you can tell it what temperature it is running at. That is a sure-fire way of making it too hot/never gets hot enough, depending on how you adjust it. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
I was trained and certified to do military grade soldering on ASW equipment....but they used lead based solder ONLY. The 'lead free' stuff is absolute crap and the US military won't use it which causes the EPA to give them grief all the time...but the prints specify the solder and it ain't lead free which takes WAY too much heat to melt. I hate the stuff, but anything consumer available now a days will be lead free which is a pain in the ass IMHO.
After 5 years of loyal, near 24/7 service my Seasonic psu blew up and knocked out one of the circuit breakers in my house. Because it was a well made PSU, my newly acquired 3070ti and all my other hardware survived. I'd trust a Seasonic any day.
Yoooooo!! It's really cool to see crazy stuff like this on LTT videos! A vast majority of content is everyone-friendly, accessible and understandable by everyone, a large amount is techie-minded with crazy stunts like the 5 mile wifi connection, and then the rest is really cool, extremely technical stuff like this!! Super love the variety of content, and I'm glad you guys aren't limiting yourselves to a smaller range of video ideas!
Your solder was spiking meaning you didn't have enough flux. The hakko 888d is totally capable of doing a shunt mod, but melting solder without enough flux is harder.
Every time I see Alex I know something sketchy is going to happen. But I didn't expect this much sketchy stuff in sequence
@1:19 reason for this video @2:17 so much icing. @5:18 how it's really done. @6:32 why it's tough. @7:03 Cool shirt bro. @8:15 Back to the solution. @9:08 possibly a dingo. @11:50 Tech based labour. @14:29 disclaimer.
Do a video on seeing how hard it is to brick modern day computer parts by basic tasks like overclocking and other configuration settings
If you aren’t running a modified bios/ hard modding the component its extremely difficult to damage things with overclocks. You have more control with cpu overclocks so you can technically crank way too much voltage and fry your chip, but killing a graphics card via just changing sliders in something like msi afterburner is almost near impossible. If a gpu dies after running it at the highest allowed power limit then it wasn’t long for this world, and it would almost certainly have died under more stock conditions pretty shortly after anyway.
@@BeatsbyVegas It's also near impossible to fry a cpy today, i have overclocked my cpu and wrote in the wrong settings with instead of 10% to a 100% this just made the pc crash instently but with a quick bios reset it started normally
@@rasmust8044 you are not likely to fry a cpu by entering too high a voltage and POOF the magic smoke, but within a couple months that thing will be toast. But yeah to overclock something so it literally catastrophically fails on you damn near impossible with any setting that is shown to you in any bios or software. And if it does kill it it wasnt the overclock but a fatal flaw that already existed that you found out right then instead of 2 months later.
@@BeatsbyVegas True I just meant it's hard to accidently fry it, but of course you need to test the cpu afterwards you uppd the voltage and clockspeed so its stable aswell to make sure it's properly cooled. And it's also easo enouth so any adult should be able to do it with a little bit of reasearch
Wow, I have that iron and I've never had nearly those problems soldering things that sink a ton of heat, i've even used it to repair video cards that had SMD caps knocked off of them. When I ran into finicky spots, i'd use a hand held butane heat gun to heat the area around the joint for a few seconds, and then id pull out my iron and go to town. Generally this wasn't needed though, I just fluxed it heavily and then got a nice glob of 60/40 on the end of my iron, and then cleaned it up after if necessary. Yea, sometimes it's a bitch on surfaces that sink heat particularly well, but I've used that iron to solder things with a lot more thermal mass than a 3090 PCB
Well, that's because you knew what you were doing and were not a moron like these guys. Honestly, the fat guy is the only one on this entire channel who seems to have a clue about anything. This channel is like the three stooges of PC tech.
If there's one consistent through out LTT videos, and there are a lot, it's that seasonic is definitely recommended.
I'm sure you could have had higher scores with the mods just using commercial waterblocks and active backplate with the chiller. 🤔
This needs a part 2!
yeah, the amount of jank they introduce in these projects by building their own coolers and thinking it won't affect anything is baffling...
What I want to know is, if you stuck some passive heat sinks on basically everything that makes heat, then put the card outside on a bitter cold day (or maybe in an industrial fridge) with some blowy-mactrons maintaining air circulation; how much of an overclock could we get?
I wonder if really cold, high-velocity air would have enough thermal mass to cool the GPU die using a passive heatsink. Everything else would be fine
@@Incommensurabilities The thermal conductivity of air is very low, it would do well in a hydrogen environment as well as eliminating the concern of condensation.
I would love to see that. But I believe humidity might be a huge problem in that conditions
"I'm not an angry person, I just like to shout at things" - me too! It's so liberating, especially when something annoys you, of course at the risk of sounding like a bitter/crazy individual. 😆
in the late 90's early 2k's there was a company called Cryocases that made crazy refrigerated cases for overclocking and stuff. It would be interesting to see how those cases handled stuff like this.
look at Linus' "Air Conditioner makes PC go Brrr" video
I remember those. Advertised in all the pc mags I could afford to buy back then.
@@macking104 yep I saw that one.
@@JohnDanielTrask1 same. I remember being a tech sitting at my desk at the office looking in awe of the gear running. They were crazy expensive. That company went out of business a long time ago I believe.
I like this crazy duo, it's just as good as Anthony giving us the benchmarks on new GPUs and nerding about Linux.
Takes a pen and draws comprehensively on the board what will be occurred in this process. That's the best chapter of the video. Overclocking is always be risky, complicated process.
Honestly a heat gun works quite well for this - if you are able to set it to a lower speed and use a finer nozzle you can replace SMD components quite a bit easier (and safer) than using a toaster.
I think you could do it with the Hakko (I have the exact same unit myself) with a high thermal mass tip. The one you guys were using looks pretty light for that sort of PCB.
You can also try pre-heating the board to assist the soldering iron in the future (so you're not bringing the whole thing up to temps that can damage components).
I also had good results with those plier type soldering tips that grab the component from both sides, put a drop of solder on each end to use it for thermal mass and just place it ontop- done.
Bring on the jank!! \o/
Always a good day when Alex and Jank are in the same video :D
This is the first DIY video I watched without any intention of doing it myself. I love my 3090, it works wonders when running cad and doing design. I been spoiled so when I used someone elses computer and realized how fast mine is when running programs like cad, I'm great where I'm at.
You should do some cad.
ive been watching ltt for over 5 years and a love all the content you make NEVER STOP!!!
Imagine commenting this to be to first comment
Self promoters good
In my experience soldering to power planes, a lot of those style of soldering irons suffer from the heater cor not properly touching the coper tip, so the core isn't directly heating the tip. I've have much better result shimming the PCB inside the iron so the ceramic core sticks out more and butts up againts the base of the tip, I also add some liquid metal to the inside of the tip to help with thermal coupling
I got a cheap aliexpress iron that uses T12 tips (Integrated heater, sensor and tip) eliminating this issue. It's also quite powerful (managed to solder 6mm2 wire for testing, the power is 120W and it also has some controller that is not dumb and gives more power if it sees temperature dropping to maintain it. The tips are kinda expensive 4$ each but then how often do you change tips.
@@AsdfirePL Honestly, a mid-size company like LMG could and should probably just go for some professional brand iron (be it JBC, Weller, ERSA or something else). They're expensive, and you're easily gonna be out up to 1k for a station and a few tips, but compared to salaries or other business expenses that should be very doable, and you get decent warranty and service on top (which is valuable in a business setting).
For personal DIY stuff aliexpress irons are _probably_ fine (unless you have bad luck and get one that randomly catches on fire or exposes mains at the tip), though I personally would still prefer to DIY something like a unisolder as a cheap but good PSU/station and hook up JBC irons and tips to it (mainly because I really like them). When going for bang for the buck, there's also the miniware irons (TS80/TS100) which are great value and handling (low grip-to-tip distance) and really do hold up even on large ground planes.
i just started my electronics classes for electrical engineering. this video is most of what were covering in a first year class lol
I love videos with the engineers. They say it like it is.
engineers? lol maybe one
This was an absolute fun shit show of a time! I love all the leaks and the jank is real! I absolutely loved it! I’m so glad they actually show it all. Ha, it’s not just us that does weird odd stuff!
The only 3 people I love watching from LTT... The cap guy here, Anthony and Linus.
No drama, no bias, no bullshit like the other people on their team.
If u put the entire thing in mineral oil, and super chill the mineral oil, you won’t have to worry about condensation 👀
Yeah,if only LTT would build a mineral oil pc...
that was my thought as well. Though as I understand it, that'd cause other problems.
More than double the power = 10% extra score.
That's how you know a stock 3090 is already running beyond what actually makes sense.
more power draw doesnt means more speed, it means more power dissipating as heat beiing generated and that creates more resistence and the resistence creates more heat and in the end even if you could pump 2000watts on the gpu it will not get any better clocks it can also reduce the possible clock and speed, thats all about silicon lottery, the better the silicon the better clocks you can get.
and thats the propper way to make a gpu faster build it with better manufacturing tho make the silicon better not relying on lucky but on tecnology.
years ago, I submerged my computer in mineral oil then put the coils for an ac unit into the oil and it worked beautiful. The sealed tank with the a/c coils and motherboard submerged in oil prevented condensation in the sealed tank.
Can you do a video on competing for the best $1000 build with Anthony, Linus and Alex. Scores could be based on cpu, gpu, the change from $1000, frame rates etc
This guy has access to an entire workshop to do everything to a professional level, but yet every time he does anything on screen it's always a hack job...
He didn't show a multimeter between the PSU and GPU to verify that he is pulling double power
The Alex Jank Tips videos are probably my favourite. I'll never say no to more!
10:38 Forbidden cream cheese
"Actually Hardcore Overclocking" is one of the best channels on you tube as well. Extremely detailed breakdown and analysis of anything that could be over clocked. Highly recommend.
Lol. Buildzoid enters. Legend.
Alex doing another jank overclocking set-up, & with no Linus supervision. Count me in!
Bro Why These Self Promoters
COUNT ME IN BOI
@@balmond4145 I honestly don’t know.
I'm excited to see what kind of mods you guys are going to do once you have a proper soldering station or rework station.
Do a PWM controller feedback/sense pin potentiometer mod!!!
Wait, a sense pin potentiometer? Like a potentiometer that can auto adjust itself!? If you can happen to direct me to such a device, I will be a very happy tinkerer. PWM are what causes flickering in lights, by design, potentiometer does no such thing, but are much more expensive and generally require a manual touch.
This entire video has given me more anxiety than listening to those stories about cave divers getting trapped in underwater caves in the complete dark.
Thanks.
This is the kind of content i really dig! Doing extreme oc and cooling since i was 12
PS: vram cooling is not sufficient even below ambient on the 3090
One question remains after watching this video.
How long was buildzoid rambling about gpu's once you asked this voltage question?
About an hour
@@alexanderclark6889 legend!
Any explanation less than 45 min is just a introduction.
probably about an hour, but he wasn't satisfied how it turned out, so he repeated the whole thing a few times
If you haven't replaced the brass sponge in that Hakko stand yet , please DO
The Hakko 888D is a fantastic soldering iron, I have no idea what you guys are having issues with there.
I have that same iron and its way more than capable of what they are doing. They have something messed up.
Suggestion: do a video on why overclocking works to begin with. It's far from obvious for many of us. Why would giving more voltage and current make it faster instead of simply hotter or more smokey? The clock must be involved somehow given the name, but the actual technical mechanism is not at all clear.
Overlocking is literally changing the clock speeds higher than stock. Typically to do that you need to overvolt as well. Doing that causes more heat due to conductivity.
Higher clock speed = more data processed faster. This consumes more power, meaning it then requires more voltage to be stable under load. This then produces more heat, which must be dissipated effectively or the card's thermal protections will throttle back the performance. How much wiggle room you have in each of those factors, and how much measurable performance you gain from it, varies hugely between models, and to a lesser extent even between the specific piece of silicon your card has vs another of the same model.