I always thought about doing some kinda "Q&A" channel type stuff that doesn't beat around the bush and answers the questions straight up without going into a bunch of background detail before finally answering it at the end of the video. "Can you make bread out of X? Well considering the history of bread-" (25 minutes later) "so the answer is 'no', you can't." "Can you make bread out of X? No, because it'll literally cause the bread to rot twice as fast and produce a disgusting rotten egg smell if you combine that with the dough. NEXT!!!"
Also another idea to add on to this is that Wilson fights alongside Wagstaff and Maxwell fights alongside Charlie but if you aren't playing as them it's just 2 bossfights at once to finally give us a real ending
I could also see charlie being added as a "cheat mode" character, something DST currently lacks, you play her as the she is right now, the queen, you can spawn enemies and items out of thin air, one shot stuff, change seasons, yada yada. Only playable by the owner and "admins" of a world by some special setting, would be cool and since DST doesn't has anything alike unless you use mods, and wouldn't bee really any more issues since she would still be the queen
As a stage performer myself? I dig the rogue/stealth angle. She is trained as a magicians assistant, she knows how to slip out of the limelight, and when to pop back into place. Give her some scaling abilities to do more damage during cetain moon phases, in the caves, etc. Id also say a telepoof like ability, cept it drains her sanity, and it can only be like... behind things, or only able ot atart or end that hop in the dark. I dig what youre layin out.
I would say 'No' because she's a core component of the Together storyline and shows up as herself in game, like how Wagstaff won't be playable because of his role. If they were to be playable, it would likely be in a different singleplayer DLC or a Together DLC that focuses on post-story aspects of the game like if they choose to stay or not, or if they'll all be trapped forever and have to just suffer through it for eternity. I'm sure we all know by now that Klei is getting VERY close to wrapping up the story by now, so it won't be much longer until we get the last bits of lore and the game becomes quote 'finished'. Afterwards I think DLC might add them but have no story behind it and events will function differently. Like instead of Charlie showing up to fix the portal it would be one of 'Them' and instead of Wagstaff gathering materials it might be some astral projection or Gestalt in his image.
Also I'd like to see if Klei can somehow come up with a lore-related explanation as to how we're able to play as the same character in the same world. Like how weird would it be for Charlie to just see an army of Wolfgang's or her sister Winona at the portal trying to free her? They NEED to come up with some timey wimey lore explanation for that, like a time rift or something. Maybe Wanda tries to reverse all the damage caused by 'Them' over the years and gets help from Altar to do so instead of using her shadow magic, only for 'Them' to fuck with it and cause it to backfire, making it possible for alternate timeline versions of the survivors to exist together in the same world. That would not only explain away the reason Charlie would be a survivor AND the Nightmare Queen at the same time, but also how multiple copies can play at once.
I'd love for them explain if multiple characters is canon or not. Imagine if theres just an animated short where there's two Wilsons and nobody acts abnormal. Like it's a regular occurence.
To combat the issue of the night monster splitting from Charlie not interacting with Winona the same way is that the part that split from Charlie straight up keeps her memories and likeness. I guess imagine a Finn and Fern type of situation (Unless you haven't watched that show). 12:41 Haha same. Charlie just has that effect.
My idea of her being playable would be either in a potential third game, which would act as an epilogue of sorts for the franchise, or similarly to Maxwell be unlockable after completing some story more and have her be playable solely in non-story gameplay where you dont have to think too hard about shos rulling the Constant.
If I recall correctly, Wagstaff aims to sit on the Nightmare Throne but while They usually don't care who sits on the Nightmare Throne as long as it is occupied but Wagstaff is the exception to the point that if They had to choose between it being empty or him on it, They would rather have it empty. And the reason he resorts to Astrally Projecting himself into the Constant is because after he physically got in, They managed to kick him out and keep him out by the time of Together.
I once had an idea for a character that would be similarly be stealth based (which has been fully shot down as he was supposed to be a Dragonflyborn kinda guy, and Dragonfly arent really known for their stealth) and one idea I had would be that he had night-vision, but without the protection from charlie, so he would still need light. Though for someone like charlie I think that ability would make more sense for her, being able to see in the dark due to her time in it, but still being hunted down by her feral side, could also mean she cant benefit from moggles or nightberries, as clearly her innate night vision isnt enough to stop her feral side and would need actual light to keep her away
i think that a way that Charlie could be playable without completely breaking the game's base mechanics is if, rather than being hurt by the darkness, it tried to drag her back to the throne if she was in the dark for too long, thus ending the game. (though that might not work with the lore, i have a bad memory lmao) i think that your ideas for her sound really cool, though! stealth is definitely not my thing, i'm awful at it, but it's always cool to have more ways to play a fun game, imo.
@@Adir-Yosef no, that'd be silly. Charlie is stronger than one random darkness monster. each 'hit' could be another one trying to drag her back, until she reaches the same level that would kill another player, and then she'd be dragged back. things that revive other characters could help her escape their clutches again.
If Charlie split, the darkness Charlie could seek to try and reclaim her other half, or she might try to destroy her other half so she doesn't have the other half holding her back.
In my opinion I think it could work if there is a end point where you fully choose moon or shadow for a world and depending on who you choose the oposites main face gets turned into a survivor (Charlie and Wagstaf) as a reward for completing each path
Honestly there’s already two characters that can entirely become darkness immune (WX and Winona) Another that’s immune to the darkness doesn’t seem that unreasonable tbh
to go with your Character theme here is more abilities i thought up. 1. de-agro from regulars enemies when Charlie is in darkness. things like bosses and normal mobs won't be able to see her when she is complete surrounded in darkness and thus won't attack her, shadows and Lunar enemies would still see and attack her, doesn't work in full moons. 2. longer hunts in the shadows of night. it will take longer for Shadow monster to attack Charlie the all other characters, due to her knowing and avoiding the beast with better success (compared to Winona who can evade one attack from her sister or complete remove the aggression) 3. slight vision in darkness. Charlie will have a very very darkened POV during night, but not a completely blinded one which will allow her to fight during the night with the little need of light, again won't work in full moons. 4. instigation attack. if while invisible you didn't attack anyone for like two seconds your next attack will be an initiation doing double the damage while flinching the enemies (if it survives) this would work for a rouge character due to her slipping in and out of combat while someone else takes the lead or the enemies loses agro. (not working when it's full moon or day time, Charlie needs to be invisible for the enemies as if she is shrouded in darkness) 5. shade smoke: a new craftable item for Charlie. this will allow the user to temporarily be shrouded by shadows blocking out the sun as if she is in the night without a light (darkness monster attacks and everything), costing 2 nightmare fuel 50 sanity and 2 gunpowder, it will effect her long enough to be attacked by the darkness monster if she doesn't cancel the effect with artificial light. giving her synergy with other night loving Characters like Wendy, while allowing her to not be just Wilson during the day.
I suppose one way Charlie could be dethroned as the danger in the dark is if something like the Ink Blights or whatever is beyond the Ancient Gateway takes her place. That only solves one issue about her being playable, I don't see her ever becoming that.
Since I play on PS4, I really want her character to be playable so that it is like the creative mode for learning I really hope that viewers and TH-camrs will urge Klie to have a character for the creative mode and share their ideas and help Console players to improve the quality of the game because frankly we envy PC players. And it needs to start from so one 😅
Maybe Wagstaff and Charlie will be unlockable characters when the game has finished development. Like unlock Wagstaff by completing Lunar Alignment and Charlie by Shadow Alignment. On the character select screen the bottom row has 2 more slots that look like they'd be filled. Just a theory
If we look at the old shorts those arm that take out the lights are what grabbed charlie into the Constant and the shadows were there before Charlie. The real issue is allowing the power she uses to be its own and stop hiding behind her. Then making sure what she's repairing isn't a portal home.
I could see Charlie bing more of a burst glass cannon zerker with light and sanity mechanics probably a transformation ( like if shes at low sanity in the dark she changes) Also fun fact Charlie mean “free man” from its german roots
Yeah! I've had people say that sometimes they can find the book, but nothing concrete. Might be a failsafe incase the stage doesn't spawn properly? I have no idea :V
I’ll have you know Maxwell’s name changed to Waxwell after he turned hero. To symbolize his shift in allegiance, and so the code could distinguish the playable and the NPC versions.
I feel like it would be overdone honestly, too similar to Maxwell and his story role as a redeemed villain. Maybe they could do something different with her but i think it would still be too similar.
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Bro got straight to the point 1 second into the video
I always thought about doing some kinda "Q&A" channel type stuff that doesn't beat around the bush and answers the questions straight up without going into a bunch of background detail before finally answering it at the end of the video.
"Can you make bread out of X? Well considering the history of bread-" (25 minutes later) "so the answer is 'no', you can't."
"Can you make bread out of X? No, because it'll literally cause the bread to rot twice as fast and produce a disgusting rotten egg smell if you combine that with the dough. NEXT!!!"
Your time is valuable :)
@@darkstone_official_2427Joe Caine exists
What I want is a boss fight with Charlie and Wagstaff post celestial champion and ancient fuel weaver
Also another idea to add on to this is that Wilson fights alongside Wagstaff and Maxwell fights alongside Charlie but if you aren't playing as them it's just 2 bossfights at once to finally give us a real ending
I could also see charlie being added as a "cheat mode" character, something DST currently lacks, you play her as the she is right now, the queen, you can spawn enemies and items out of thin air, one shot stuff, change seasons, yada yada. Only playable by the owner and "admins" of a world by some special setting, would be cool and since DST doesn't has anything alike unless you use mods, and wouldn't bee really any more issues since she would still be the queen
Oh I miss cheat characters from old games :) Like playing as an overpowered car in the old age of empires games.. good times :D
@@BiddoBamssThe good ol' Cobra Car
Plot twist: Charlie looses the Nightmare Throne and Wes takes her place.
Based
yes, your a genius
Yeah, you’re right.
Entirely impossible 😔
(Because Klei is to busy making pearl playable so they don’t have time to make Charlie)
EXACTLY!!
@@BiddoBamss honestly playable pearl would be nice
As a stage performer myself? I dig the rogue/stealth angle.
She is trained as a magicians assistant, she knows how to slip out of the limelight, and when to pop back into place.
Give her some scaling abilities to do more damage during cetain moon phases, in the caves, etc. Id also say a telepoof like ability, cept it drains her sanity, and it can only be like... behind things, or only able ot atart or end that hop in the dark.
I dig what youre layin out.
I would say 'No' because she's a core component of the Together storyline and shows up as herself in game, like how Wagstaff won't be playable because of his role.
If they were to be playable, it would likely be in a different singleplayer DLC or a Together DLC that focuses on post-story aspects of the game like if they choose to stay or not, or if they'll all be trapped forever and have to just suffer through it for eternity.
I'm sure we all know by now that Klei is getting VERY close to wrapping up the story by now, so it won't be much longer until we get the last bits of lore and the game becomes quote 'finished'. Afterwards I think DLC might add them but have no story behind it and events will function differently. Like instead of Charlie showing up to fix the portal it would be one of 'Them' and instead of Wagstaff gathering materials it might be some astral projection or Gestalt in his image.
Also I'd like to see if Klei can somehow come up with a lore-related explanation as to how we're able to play as the same character in the same world. Like how weird would it be for Charlie to just see an army of Wolfgang's or her sister Winona at the portal trying to free her? They NEED to come up with some timey wimey lore explanation for that, like a time rift or something. Maybe Wanda tries to reverse all the damage caused by 'Them' over the years and gets help from Altar to do so instead of using her shadow magic, only for 'Them' to fuck with it and cause it to backfire, making it possible for alternate timeline versions of the survivors to exist together in the same world.
That would not only explain away the reason Charlie would be a survivor AND the Nightmare Queen at the same time, but also how multiple copies can play at once.
I'd love for them explain if multiple characters is canon or not. Imagine if theres just an animated short where there's two Wilsons and nobody acts abnormal. Like it's a regular occurence.
my god, i fear that day. sorry it was my current hyperfixation now ah.
To combat the issue of the night monster splitting from Charlie not interacting with Winona the same way is that the part that split from Charlie straight up keeps her memories and likeness. I guess imagine a Finn and Fern type of situation (Unless you haven't watched that show).
12:41 Haha same. Charlie just has that effect.
I would have her be split in two, and this causes her to be constantly draining her sanity, but giving her buffs as she gets more insane!
My idea of her being playable would be either in a potential third game, which would act as an epilogue of sorts for the franchise, or similarly to Maxwell be unlockable after completing some story more and have her be playable solely in non-story gameplay where you dont have to think too hard about shos rulling the Constant.
If I recall correctly, Wagstaff aims to sit on the Nightmare Throne but while They usually don't care who sits on the Nightmare Throne as long as it is occupied but Wagstaff is the exception to the point that if They had to choose between it being empty or him on it, They would rather have it empty. And the reason he resorts to Astrally Projecting himself into the Constant is because after he physically got in, They managed to kick him out and keep him out by the time of Together.
I once had an idea for a character that would be similarly be stealth based (which has been fully shot down as he was supposed to be a Dragonflyborn kinda guy, and Dragonfly arent really known for their stealth) and one idea I had would be that he had night-vision, but without the protection from charlie, so he would still need light.
Though for someone like charlie I think that ability would make more sense for her, being able to see in the dark due to her time in it, but still being hunted down by her feral side, could also mean she cant benefit from moggles or nightberries, as clearly her innate night vision isnt enough to stop her feral side and would need actual light to keep her away
A night vision but not immunity would be really cool :)
i think that a way that Charlie could be playable without completely breaking the game's base mechanics is if, rather than being hurt by the darkness, it tried to drag her back to the throne if she was in the dark for too long, thus ending the game. (though that might not work with the lore, i have a bad memory lmao)
i think that your ideas for her sound really cool, though! stealth is definitely not my thing, i'm awful at it, but it's always cool to have more ways to play a fun game, imo.
it just won't work with the gameplay.
what you get hit by the darkness once and have to reset the world?
@@Adir-Yosef no, that'd be silly. Charlie is stronger than one random darkness monster. each 'hit' could be another one trying to drag her back, until she reaches the same level that would kill another player, and then she'd be dragged back. things that revive other characters could help her escape their clutches again.
If Charlie split, the darkness Charlie could seek to try and reclaim her other half, or she might try to destroy her other half so she doesn't have the other half holding her back.
In my opinion I think it could work if there is a end point where you fully choose moon or shadow for a world and depending on who you choose the oposites main face gets turned into a survivor (Charlie and Wagstaf) as a reward for completing each path
Honestly there’s already two characters that can entirely become darkness immune (WX and Winona)
Another that’s immune to the darkness doesn’t seem that unreasonable tbh
to go with your Character theme here is more abilities i thought up.
1. de-agro from regulars enemies when Charlie is in darkness.
things like bosses and normal mobs won't be able to see her when she is complete surrounded in darkness and thus won't attack her, shadows and Lunar enemies would still see and attack her, doesn't work in full moons.
2. longer hunts in the shadows of night.
it will take longer for Shadow monster to attack Charlie the all other characters, due to her knowing and avoiding the beast with better success (compared to Winona who can evade one attack from her sister or complete remove the aggression)
3. slight vision in darkness.
Charlie will have a very very darkened POV during night, but not a completely blinded one which will allow her to fight during the night with the little need of light, again won't work in full moons.
4. instigation attack.
if while invisible you didn't attack anyone for like two seconds your next attack will be an initiation doing double the damage while flinching the enemies (if it survives) this would work for a rouge character due to her slipping in and out of combat while someone else takes the lead or the enemies loses agro. (not working when it's full moon or day time, Charlie needs to be invisible for the enemies as if she is shrouded in darkness)
5. shade smoke: a new craftable item for Charlie.
this will allow the user to temporarily be shrouded by shadows blocking out the sun as if she is in the night without a light (darkness monster attacks and everything), costing 2 nightmare fuel 50 sanity and 2 gunpowder, it will effect her long enough to be attacked by the darkness monster if she doesn't cancel the effect with artificial light.
giving her synergy with other night loving Characters like Wendy, while allowing her to not be just Wilson during the day.
I suppose one way Charlie could be dethroned as the danger in the dark is if something like the Ink Blights or whatever is beyond the Ancient Gateway takes her place. That only solves one issue about her being playable, I don't see her ever becoming that.
Since I play on PS4, I really want her character to be playable so that it is like the creative mode for learning I really hope that viewers and TH-camrs will urge Klie to have a character for the creative mode and share their ideas and help Console players to improve the quality of the game because frankly we envy PC players. And it needs to start from so one 😅
Maybe Wagstaff and Charlie will be unlockable characters when the game has finished development. Like unlock Wagstaff by completing Lunar Alignment and Charlie by Shadow Alignment. On the character select screen the bottom row has 2 more slots that look like they'd be filled. Just a theory
If we look at the old shorts those arm that take out the lights are what grabbed charlie into the Constant and the shadows were there before Charlie. The real issue is allowing the power she uses to be its own and stop hiding behind her. Then making sure what she's repairing isn't a portal home.
What if Charlie were separated from her "dark" alter ego? then the one who would reign over Constant would be this other half of her.
Reasons why not: Her name starts with a C.
THE END!
Surname :)
I could see Charlie bing more of a burst glass cannon zerker with light and sanity mechanics probably a transformation ( like if shes at low sanity in the dark she changes)
Also fun fact Charlie mean “free man” from its german roots
The book was implemented, I found It on my survival world on the teather
Yeah! I've had people say that sometimes they can find the book, but nothing concrete. Might be a failsafe incase the stage doesn't spawn properly? I have no idea :V
Straight to the point
Wanted to get ahead of the comments :V
everyone forgot about SECOND shadow king Wilson P Higgsbury. will HE ever become a PLAYABLE CHARACTER?
I feel like end goal of wagstaff is to detrone Charlie, maybe that's why he wants that many lunar magic
a wonky situation ware you unlock them in the celestial portal after a milestone
charlies power will be insta killing anything in the dark
you can find the playbill naturally. but i found it on a old world so maybe not no more?? idk its a strange thing
I would love a hidden unlockable character for DST like Maxwell was.
theory: cw = charlie wagstaff 🥸
If this ends up being true im gonna get you.
@ 😨😨😨
I’ll have you know Maxwell’s name changed to Waxwell after he turned hero. To symbolize his shift in allegiance, and so the code could distinguish the playable and the NPC versions.
Warly with an ie.
They could just make them the monster that get you instead of Charlie I would rather if THEM was the bad guy eventually
I love that you say Soul you could say, as if souls aren't just a literal cannon thing.
Wortox :3
The day that happens is the day I give up everything ever
Someone else would have to take over the throne and that seems very unlikely.
Her biggest problem is that if shes a nightmare then you need to change so much and if you dont then she just a random woman without any perks
Just take the mod version and tweak it cuz I really like the mod Charlie I just feel like it's lacking a bit
I've only taken a quick glance at it, what would you tweak? :o
obviously not, her name would have to be changed to 'Wharlie' or something.
My favourite don't starve character, Wharlie
that's the chef I think...........
why not just have them as an Easter egg Character
Maybe video about gorge and forge possible returning?
9:22 Among us???
I feel like it would be overdone honestly, too similar to Maxwell and his story role as a redeemed villain. Maybe they could do something different with her but i think it would still be too similar.
That too :)
Will you ever talk about the sealed portal or the Gateway?
Do Wagstaff next 😈
Robert Wagstaff vs Charlie Wagstaff
of coruse she wont ever be playable her name dosent start with a w
Charlie will never be a playable character because her name doesn’t start with W
Or does it?
@@BiddoBamss Yeah, just watched the rest of the video
Wharlie
Charlie will never be playable cuz her name doesn't start with a W
Does her name starts with a W? End of discussion.
F charlie I want wagstaff
I wouldn't mind F'ing Charlie
No her name doesn't start with a W
hi
No
7 seconds ago?? damn
faste,,,