I have something really important to add Wes is a stereotypical french mime and lives in france because the bakery is boucherie on the sign. He saves Witherstone who also lives in france. After Maxwell moves to america he buys some cheap magic items from Witherstone. Witherstone is in America but also France. his daughter lives there too so it could be a business trip but that's unlikely. He kidnaps 4 people before Wes. at most this happened in a month. So he moves from america to france after his debtor dies for unknown reasons. bit of bad story writing
16:42 When Maxwell says "put her back in the headlines" he also isnt lying. I'm pretty sure you can see newspapers swirling around her talking of her disappearance. So, she technically made the headlines for a final time due to her vanishing.
"This entire deal turns out to be a scam as the portal takes him to The Constant and now Wilson is too stupid to make a shovel without a science machine." That is the best thing I ever heard
What we learned from the various media surrounding DS and DST: Maxwell canonically has a British accent, which we all know is the most evil of the accents. Wes Adam&Eved crows into existence.
I believe Maxwell couldn't trap Witherstone again because he requires his victims to be willing to open the portal. When Wes saved him, he got the doll and shared a happy moment with his daughter, wich might have caused him to conclude that nothing Maxwell offers would be worth leaving his daughter behind.
@@Hueston_G_rection I am pretty sure Maxwell met Witherstone in person before, so he knows that Wes isn't him, and even if he didn't meet him in person somehow then he isn't that stupid.
In the original game it is implied that Maxwell’s motivation for bringing people into the constant is to find someone strong enough and determined enough to claim the throne and replace him. Also, every player death in the constant is canon and dead survivors are throne back in as part of a purgatory. The constant is a sort of trial for the throne. Maxwell’s annoyance with the survivors throughout adventure mode is an act. He is making them believe that getting closer to him means that they are winning when in reality he is tricking them into setting them free. By killing the survivors repeatedly and making them hate him, he is giving them the motive to find him. Once they can’t kill him and they are stuck in a void, their only option is to let him go. He is the one bringing the game to check mate. He didn’t lose.
There's a problem with this theory, it is very possible to die in Epilogue . Maxwell doesn't even try to stop you which would go against this motivation. iirc mining the statue in epilogue spawns a bunch of clockworks which would likely kill you
Its possible that wilson on the throne (according to dont starve new home lore) knew pulling people in could save him, but maxwell was just being mean since he really tried to kill you and keep his place but by the time you get to the throne he has already done everything in the world and is too apathetic to even talk you out of it? But the maxwell machines in adventure mode make a laughing happy face as if he wants you to proceed so idk
@@Or-ang-E what if he max builds the clockworks to protect the throne so he doesnt lose his powers when he first came, but as time passes he doesnt want to be on the throne anymore so he traps the clockworks.
@@niklasjulianhunke5907 i believe that when he first got in the constant he thought the throne was like a gift, he had all the power ta do whatever he wanted which is what he does since he literally states he created the entire constant world, but as time went on he noticed it was actually a prison, he had the illusion of being all powerful, but he actually had nothing more then what Charlie allowed him to possess. Basically, he thought he was a god sitting on his throne with his very own dimension, but he was actually a puppet, Charlie is actually the one holding all the power, he only does what he does because she allows him to do it as a form of torture.
This is actually a really really good recap of the Don’t Starve (Together) lore, probably your best video to date (the Iceberg was really good too). The way you blend in comedy with it all is just sublime. The Don’t Starve lore has always been my favorite part of the game so it’s really nice that there’s a modern video explaining it. Also, genuinely never noticed that the original 8 survivors correspond to the 8 pawns on a chessboard and how Maxwell (the king) is a really weak piece with Charlie being really strong because she’s the queen.
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I was just looking for a good, well detailed video on Don't Starve lore and how incredible was it to find this minutes old video from such a good channel
the only thing i don't agree with is that Maxwell is pulling random people for "no reason". That's actually not true. He is pulling them in, because he thinks they can free him. If you think about it, the characters he chose (except Wes) all have the abilities to free him. (Wilson and Winkerbotom have the inteligance to survive, Wolfgang has the strength to defeat anything, Willow is immune to fire and to the shadows, as long her teddy bear is with her, etc.)
Let's not forget, a lot of the survivors have some pre-existing connection to Maxwell. Wendy, Winona, Wolfgang, Warly, even probably Wurt and Wortox. (as, if what Maxwell says is true, he had to of made them) The rest are in a more grey area, but only 2 that we know of, ended up in the Constant accidentally. (Wes and Wanda)
@@ПавелКазначеев-ш2о Don't worry, it's not. In fact, I could be mis-remembering this myself. I believe it's hinted at, that his maman has some relation to shadow magic, and Maxwell. There are a few in game quotes that hint towards it.
@@thexp905 Webber got eaten by a spider brought back from the Constant, which might have been created by Maxwell, so they are kinda connected. I wonder what was Maxwell's deal that brought Webber to the Constant.
Maxwell actually kept all his deals. Wilson wanted knowledge, Maxwell gave him knowledge. Webber wanted to be normal, so he took him to the constant where giant spiders are a normal occurrence. Abigail wanted her sister back, he brought her back as a ghost. Wigfred wanted the whole world to be her stage and put her in the headlines, Maxwell brought her to the Constant where she can act out her role, her disappearance putting her in the headlines. Because of this Warly’s mother could’ve actually been cured and become independent again.
Maxwell actually did all of those things JUST to scam the survivors. Warly's mother COULD get better, or she could be healthy as a ghost, who knows? Edit: what i mean is that he just did half of the promised thing the survivors wanted.
@@mishagaming1075I mean Warly's mom could just be magically cured by shadows, but still, her son freaking disappeared, so I doubt she'd be any happier
Maxwell gave Warly the means to heal his mother, presumably from the magical food ingredients from the Constant. Unfortunately, he didn't get to take his mother with him so she's all alone now..
A couple details you missed out on, Charlie is free in this world because of the association to the chess board again. Charlie is the Queen piece, being the most important in raw power for chess. And Maxwell referring to "Them" is not the shadow creatures as you say in 25:52 but in fact more related to the moon, supported by the fact the Fuel Weaver, who is speculated to be one of the old rulers of the kingdom that has fallen to shadows, also refers to "Them" in his line of death "You are not Them" this means the shadow creatures are not "Them" but they definitely communicate with them in some way at some time. And the update of course named, "The Return of Them". They have always been here but the shadow creatures are completely different and are speculated to be some form of bug people who found refuge in using shadow fuel. On the other hand with the Wolfgang lore I don't think it changes anything on the earlier parts of the story, more as reinforces what was already there. William Carter had to escape from his old life and so he went with the traveling circus to escape to San Francisco. That accident that happens just wants to highlight the fact he had the book during that time.
Well, at least from the video we know that Wolfgang gets his powers from the shadows, and that he was ready to go to any lengths to get stronger, so Maxwell would have a reason to pull him into the Constant, but not only that, he kept his promise, he gave him the strength he wanted.
also, i think that the fuelweaver was searching for a way to beat "Them" why? Well first of all, in the ancient archives, that are clearly related to the moon the centipede attack you if you use shadow weaponry, and fuelweaver's presumed society was pretty much based around nightmare fuel, so that's the motive, also, you know how sanity works the other way around on the lunar island? And what does fuelweaver's helmet do? Exactly, so my theory is that the ancient civilization that lived in the constant before Maxwell got there was in some way defeated by "Them" (another thing, the glass cutter is the only weapon in the game that uses half durability when fighting nightmare creatures)
Not too sure about this... I'm pretty sure the fuelweaver says this because the final blow is actually dealt by Charlie. She "isn't Them", just using their power. The combined forces of both "Moon" and shadow are hinted at to be Them. The creatures that control the Constant. Maxwell's inspection of a lantern states, at least last time I checked, "I hope it keeps Them away". Why would you need light to keep away beings of "Moon"?
In Encore, the part after the final act we can see Acient Fuelweaver 'boutta to beat the daylight out of her in the background, or she just get choosed by Acient Fuelweaver
To everyone commenting about the Wolfgang video, yes I know. It was a difficult decision to even upload this because of its existence. But eventually I decided to do it. For those unaware it shows William getting saved by Wolfgang under a train crash. I don't want to spoil my theories but I believe this one scene tells us a lot more about the overarching story than you think which is why I ultimately decided to not talk about it until part two. Thank you for reading
According to the description in Wolfgang's trailer, Wolfgang was ready to redeem himself after his failure at a show and become stronger, "no matter how dubious the means". This means Maxwell/Charlie reached out to him and fulfilled his promise, at the cost of dragging him into the constant.
I think it's worth pointing out that the makeshift portal that Charlie destroys in the comic was the portal used in the DST beta, which was then replaced with the floral portal when the game came out of beta, so even the DST beta was lore :D
2:48 ooooh, that explains the Wolfgang video! We literally see what happens to William: Wolfgang saves him, with the help of William’s dark magic. If it weren’t for William and Wolfgang’s interaction, William may’ve never seen the true power of the shadow magic. That means… that Wolfgang was kinda William’s first experiment, by near accident. But no wonder people thought he was dead, he nearly was, then when he saw what he did to Wolfgang, he ran, considering the true power he held in his hands.
Before this short, the general consensus was that Maxwell sent Wolfgang to the Constant as a revenge (kind of like he wanted to with George) for the train crash (because of the poster of the circus), and that Maxwell's tought process was kind of like "yeah, I shall sent that bitch I faked my death because of". But now with the short we know Wolfgang actually saved him?? Like, wtf Maxwell why would u do that lol
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And then after having his life saved by Wolfgang he threw him into the Constant
24:10 that entire small segment gives me chills, it goes from maxwell being happy to being so terrified that he screams in agony, and that scream is what gets me, because he just got free from being stuck in that throne for eternity that he was happy, until it was quickly ripped away
My favourite headcannon is that Wilbur is from the same circus as Wolfgang. With Wilbur's circus-like attire, status, knowledge about using tools and machines. Leaves me to believe that Wilbur was one of the escaped circus monkies that the newspaper warned about. Maxwell has a quote about Wilbur stating "Well I suppose theres no sending you back now." Which could mean that Maxwell accidently sent Wilbur in the constant, but in what way? Maybe when Maxwell was trying to get Wolfgang. Also Wolfgang says this line aswell, "Welcome friend, Ha ha!" Which almost solidifies my theory. Wolfgang does call everyone friend, but i prefer that Wolfgang knew Wilbur.
This makes sense that Wilbur doesn't look exactly like the monkeys sure he is but his appearance isn't the same as them knowing the prime apes knowing how dumb they can be sometimes they only made Wilbur King because he looked different or Wilbur fooled them by taking a crown and putting it on and fooling the prime apes so he can use them to live longer, however it's either the cave monkeys aren't fooled and more intelligent OR Wilbur is only the monkey king to one generation and that is the prime apes.
@@K31RVGoggles character from the shipwrecked Don’t Starve (not Don’t Starve Together) DLC that is unlocked via collecting a crown via killing a bunch of monkeys (kinda like Webber’s skull for Reign of Giants) and using it on… something, you’ll know when you find it on the water.
That short broke my heart when I first saw it and and I've lived thinking that she was basically left to die ever since. I'm glad I saw this because now it gives me even a fraction of hope that she's okay
@@prismacan7752As time in the contanst passes millions of times faster than real life's (Maxwell himself spending thousands of years in the Dark Throne and not even 30 years passing in real life), it's very likely that even if he didn't help his mother there would've passed basically no time in real life (although this does brings up some questions about how tf Wagstaff is spying on the survivors from outside of The Constant).
Maxwell most likely didn't kidnap people for fun and games but to find someone able to free him from the nightmare throne, it propably isn't fun being stuck in one place for all eternity listening to a looping jazz song, he doesn't care if the people he brings in suffer, or meet the same fate as him, he just wants to get off the funky chair. Potential reason for why he brought wendy into the constant is because he thought that she might have a chance of freeing him because of being related, she also propably heard the song because it's playing in Maxwell's room and he was trying to contact her, And got Wolfgang in there because he already helped him once before Also Wilbur is 100% a monkey from Wolfgang's circus i have literally no doubts about that
I agree, and this is becomes evident when you look at his early targets. An overly creative scientist, a pyromaniac who has escaped from shadows before, the strongman that saved him from death, a librarian with incredible scientific knowledge (and might possibly even have a connection to the very book that brought them all to the Constant).
I feel like Maxwell brought people in for company, or more likely, to free him from the throne, so that with his knowledge, Maxwell can fix this situation and free everyone. Then, his wish came true with Wilson before Charlie becomes queen. Still doesn’t excuse his actions though.
@@madman7544 Or maybe, to encourage Wilson to keep going, cause he was getting close to Maxwell. Wilson does percieve him as a villain, so his desperation, ends up pushing Wilson to continue instead of giving up.
@@namelessliberty9869 In the first DST trailer where Charlie takes Wilson's place on the throne she can be seen switching back and forth between an evil and a kind version of herself until she ends up as a mix of the 2 and the animation ends, my theory is that a similar thing applys to maxwell, he has a side that is evil and wants to stay in power and a side that is just tired of being "Their" puppet
People have to be insane before Maxwell can use magic to pull them into the Constant. Just like in the game where you can only see shadows when insane. Everyone was going through a rough patch in their life and that's when Maxwell swoops in
@@clauday6467very real as in "exactly like the game mechanic"? Personally, what I like to think is that Charlie and Maxwell are about 7 something feet tall, while all other characters are different heights
Good video! You covered this topic well, and I'm eager to see a second part of this. Don't Starve's story is disjointed, but when you can look at the whole thing in one big picture, it surprisingly makes sense. I appreciate how much attention to detail Klei has, even over 8+ years, even down to minute quotes. They care as much as we do, and it's surprising how rare that is in game development, haha.
This video really helped me fully understand the Don’t Starve series Thank you so much! And it helped me put to get her pieces with the new Wolfgang video as well :0
Honestly for Wigfrid, i thought that the “Maxwell technically keeping his end of the deal but in a twisted way” was his saying “I’ll put you back in the headlines” and a newspaper with an article of her disappearance showing at the end of the video… instead of the whole “world’s a stage” thing. I mean that could apply too, but I think my theory is to much of a coincidence not to have at least some traction.
I've been looking for that kind of video FOREVER, hell, even binge-watched all of your content about DST lore out of desperation, and then THIS drops. OrangE Man never disappoints.
i understood the surface level of lore such as abigail being dead, but i never did the time to research the actual lore, and you did it all. all i want to say is thank you, thank you for teaching me all the epic lore of dst.
I don't know why but I really enjoy listening to you so these long videos always bring me great joy. Talking about ds is a big plus too. Keep the good work up!
Charlie is the hostile monster at night and the world creator/nurturing figure at day. The chaos within her has led her to create both good and bad stuff, and gains power from their worldly interactions. This is observed in the animations. She's the queen bee who is bound to the hive(world). The constant world needs her to harness it. 12:14. The concept of bernie could have come from the fact that teddy bears are said to be the protective gaurdians of their children who fight monsters when they are asleep.
25:54 the fuel weaver says "You are not *Them*" when you defeat him, which tells us that he is impressed, that he was defeated by survivor(s) but not *Them* i don't think that *Them* are nightmare creatures, because he literally uses them in the fight.
@@alimanzoor789 Maxwell : When i was here, i saw nothing, but dust and void. Also Maxwell examining Merms : They were here before me. Anyway, "Them" are something that is in the constant before anyone else, before the maxwell, i am sure the ancient civilazation in the ruins, were here before maxwell as well, I don't think he created ruins, nor atrium and they falled eventually, since "Them" are the true creators of the Constant, they might not create much, but a world, they search for someone, to make their own additions to the template and of course suffer on the nightmare throne. it's pretty obvious that Return of Them and gestalts from the moon, are not "Them" even the reason, why maxwell got trapped into the constant, is the shadow hands. Yet the moon on the constant, was also before the maxwell, because i don't think maxwell would make gestalts, or the lunar champion in the moon, yet charlie wouldn't too, because she fights gestalts and the moon with darkness, why would she make her self an enemy?
I really enjoyed the satirical/casual geographic way that you explained and recapped the a significant portion of the DS and DST lore, the perfect balance of funny, but also informative, investing, and very well pronounced! I will gladly await for the second part to this lore analysis, *Hungrier, for more!*
13:41 - "There is no joke here. It is just sad", but yet you decide to put a joke right before these words and I laughed. You can't do that to me. ( ; - ;)
I’m really glad I watched this video before watching the Wolfgang one. I had completely forgotten about the lore with the train. Then when I watched the Wolfgang one right after my head exploded, and now I’m walking around headless. Thanks OrangE!
I liked it when you put on the dragonfly music while you explained Willow's story, it reminds me of when I killed the dragonfly (obviously I mean Don't starve pocket + RoG DLC)
Correction on the Wigfrid bit: According to the compendium bio, she was a renowned play acter who did many parts, and then when she played Wigfrid the performance was spectacular, but it effected her so much she never managed to capture the same magic she once had in future roles, hence the newspaper.
You mean the ancients? Those were already there, and are (as far as we know) original from the Constant. Even if they aren't, they did get there before everyone else (or at least before Maxwell and Charlie)
He does say that he designed his clockworks after the ones in the ruins and also says certain things were there before he was and he says he didn't know about the ancient archives yet his memory is a bit hazy since he has forgotten things like the crafting recipes and some ancient text.
I like to imagine that they were some kind of remnant that remained in the seemingly empty constant, kind of like a deleted but not overridden computer file. Which stated to reform by its own volition once Maxwell made the constant in his image. Later he found it under the world he created, and he studied it so that he may learn more about the world surrounding him and so he could innovate in his creations.
I like to believe that Abigail in the animation fell into rocky water and died due to being.. punctured. I assume that when she fell in the flower bush because she was running on rocks (with wendy watching) that she fell and instead of landing on a flower bush it was actually sharp,rocky,shallow waters. I think this because they live on a island or sm
thank you for the video! ive been a huge fan of don't starve since 2014 and i still can't survive past one winter LOL the story and characters are my favourite part
I think knowing how long Wilson was on the throne is not a matter on the growth of his beard. It wouldn't make sense that his beard grow while his time is there, but Maxwell not have anything done to him. If we followed that standard, Maxwell wouldve been turning into dust while he was on the throne, not only happening once the player frees him, so I would say Wilson could have been there longer
Please make part two! I love your casual writing style, the visual editing and your sense of humor! I need more of all of this talking about the game's lore!!!!
4:12 two years late but better late than not at all. So you say the crossed out address means he never sent it but if you look up like 3 pixels the stamp is postmarked meaning it was sent and likely got intercepted, also if it was him that crossed out the address why swap to a red pen (well red ink as we didn’t have disposable pens at this point in history, so if you have not used a Fountain pen it’s not easy to swap out ink colours so without washing out the old ink you wouldn’t end up with such a red red ink).
4:13 the postage stamp has a cancellation mark (the rubber stamp applied over it), which is affixed by the postal service during processing to indicate the stamp has been used.
@@Or-ang-E The faint red ink stamp over the top of the postage stamp that reads NORTH-something I can't make out, with the squiggly lines. In the US that would be applied by the US Postal Service. It's a minor detail, but it means that the letter was sent and processed by the postal service. It's intended to prevent stamps from being reused.
I cant thank you enough for the explanations made as a skit in the game. it actually explains it so much better and it makes it easier to understand + remember.
Doesn't want to wait another year for this video but didn't know he could've waited a few minutes later for the Wolfgang rework that shows backstory of Wolfgang and maxwell train crash
I just wanted to point out real quick the reason Maxwell tricked people into the constant. The compendium states after being put on the throne he was compelled to do so, with the codex umbra "clouding his heart". It might be a fancy way of saying he's a @#&hole, but who knows really?
Maybe They compelled him to kidnap people into the constant, but it was Maxwell alone who tried to get Wilson to take over the throne, because it was actually against Their wishes? Which is why it's still a challenge to get to him? I confused myself writing that...
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What's that strange link
Honestly I love the visuals that are games play from don't starve
I have something really important to add
Wes is a stereotypical french mime
and lives in france because the bakery is boucherie on the sign.
He saves Witherstone who also lives in france.
After Maxwell moves to america he buys some cheap magic items from Witherstone.
Witherstone is in America but also France. his daughter lives there too so it could be a business trip but that's unlikely.
He kidnaps 4 people before Wes. at most this happened in a month.
So he moves from america to france after his debtor dies for unknown reasons. bit of bad story writing
That “Don’t Starve To-Get-Her” was actually genius
“WE MAY HAVE LOST OUR MOST POWERFUL SOLDIER (willow AND Wolfgang) BUT WE WILL MURDER THAT SHADOW NIGHTTIME- everyone’s dead”
-Wilson
Alternatively it could be “Don’t Starve 2: Get Her”
Those f*cking simps
@@ouroborosereunetez4937 Don't Starve 2: Nighttime Boo-gah-loo!
acquire her
16:42 When Maxwell says "put her back in the headlines" he also isnt lying. I'm pretty sure you can see newspapers swirling around her talking of her disappearance. So, she technically made the headlines for a final time due to her vanishing.
That and the events in Village Dodonga.
@@klof4276 Whar
With that logic he also taught Wilson "knowledge" with his experiences in the constance
"This entire deal turns out to be a scam as the portal takes him to The Constant and now Wilson is too stupid to make a shovel without a science machine." That is the best thing I ever heard
Getting teleported to another reality took all the points out of Wilson's intelligence stat
@@polytanksan5761 of what he had
Wicker bottom diddent forget though
Omg I just had a theory that Wilson is accualy
STUPID
And winona who's an engineer can't craft a backpack without a science machine
@@botttttle I mean, she's an engineer, not a tailor.
What we learned from the various media surrounding DS and DST:
Maxwell canonically has a British accent, which we all know is the most evil of the accents.
Wes Adam&Eved crows into existence.
Also: Warly doesn’t deserve to be in there
@@Tomato3njoyer almost no one deserve to be in there
does this mean that all crows are inbreeds of each other?
I love evil characters with a british accent, it fits so beautifully, although this may just be my bias.
@@michaeltagor4238 mostly warly. I mean bro his mom?
Wigfrid is a true warrior, starting a fight with her tax papers
“Tax evasion, 30 years in prison, have fun accomplishing your dreams no- WHERE THE FRIK IS SHE?!?!”
*constant portal closes*
@@Tomato3njoyer The constant the land out of gods and by extension the Tax mans reach.
Wigfrid seems to be German. I mean think about it, she is playing a role in the movie/stage play "Die Walküre", which is German for "The Valkyrie"
Shes the only one who fought the IRS and WON 😭
@@GermanGuyTactical I thought the play was just telling the valkyries to die
I believe Maxwell couldn't trap Witherstone again because he requires his victims to be willing to open the portal. When Wes saved him, he got the doll and shared a happy moment with his daughter, wich might have caused him to conclude that nothing Maxwell offers would be worth leaving his daughter behind.
I feel like a more likely theory is that he thinks that Wes is witherstone, which is why he said “he displeased me”, when. He examines him.
@@Hueston_G_rection im pretty sure he doesnt think that the young adult who’s mute and a mime is the mature adult who he was in debt too
@@Hueston_G_rection I am pretty sure Maxwell met Witherstone in person before, so he knows that Wes isn't him, and even if he didn't meet him in person somehow then he isn't that stupid.
Maybe Wes was just really annoying.
He didn't know what he was thinking, leaving his child behind
In the original game it is implied that Maxwell’s motivation for bringing people into the constant is to find someone strong enough and determined enough to claim the throne and replace him.
Also, every player death in the constant is canon and dead survivors are throne back in as part of a purgatory. The constant is a sort of trial for the throne.
Maxwell’s annoyance with the survivors throughout adventure mode is an act. He is making them believe that getting closer to him means that they are winning when in reality he is tricking them into setting them free.
By killing the survivors repeatedly and making them hate him, he is giving them the motive to find him. Once they can’t kill him and they are stuck in a void, their only option is to let him go. He is the one bringing the game to check mate. He didn’t lose.
There's a problem with this theory, it is very possible to die in Epilogue . Maxwell doesn't even try to stop you which would go against this motivation. iirc mining the statue in epilogue spawns a bunch of clockworks which would likely kill you
Its possible that wilson on the throne (according to dont starve new home lore) knew pulling people in could save him, but maxwell was just being mean since he really tried to kill you and keep his place but by the time you get to the throne he has already done everything in the world and is too apathetic to even talk you out of it? But the maxwell machines in adventure mode make a laughing happy face as if he wants you to proceed so idk
@@Or-ang-E what if he max builds the clockworks to protect the throne so he doesnt lose his powers when he first came, but as time passes he doesnt want to be on the throne anymore so he traps the clockworks.
@@wackpendejo3000 but wasnt the throne some sort of prison?? Charlie is the one who imprisoned him(i think)
@@niklasjulianhunke5907 i believe that when he first got in the constant he thought the throne was like a gift, he had all the power ta do whatever he wanted which is what he does since he literally states he created the entire constant world, but as time went on he noticed it was actually a prison, he had the illusion of being all powerful, but he actually had nothing more then what Charlie allowed him to possess.
Basically, he thought he was a god sitting on his throne with his very own dimension, but he was actually a puppet, Charlie is actually the one holding all the power, he only does what he does because she allows him to do it as a form of torture.
This is actually a really really good recap of the Don’t Starve (Together) lore, probably your best video to date (the Iceberg was really good too). The way you blend in comedy with it all is just sublime. The Don’t Starve lore has always been my favorite part of the game so it’s really nice that there’s a modern video explaining it. Also, genuinely never noticed that the original 8 survivors correspond to the 8 pawns on a chessboard and how Maxwell (the king) is a really weak piece with Charlie being really strong because she’s the queen.
I was just looking for a good, well detailed video on Don't Starve lore and how incredible was it to find this minutes old video from such a good channel
21 years ago. Cool
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the only thing i don't agree with is that Maxwell is pulling random people for "no reason".
That's actually not true. He is pulling them in, because he thinks they can free him. If you think about it, the characters he chose (except Wes) all have the abilities to free him. (Wilson and Winkerbotom have the inteligance to survive, Wolfgang has the strength to defeat anything, Willow is immune to fire and to the shadows, as long her teddy bear is with her, etc.)
Let's not forget, a lot of the survivors have some pre-existing connection to Maxwell. Wendy, Winona, Wolfgang, Warly, even probably Wurt and Wortox. (as, if what Maxwell says is true, he had to of made them) The rest are in a more grey area, but only 2 that we know of, ended up in the Constant accidentally. (Wes and Wanda)
@@thexp905 oh I missed that one completely, how is Warly connected to Maxwell? (Sorry if gets explained in the video, I'm yet to watch it)
@@ПавелКазначеев-ш2о Don't worry, it's not. In fact, I could be mis-remembering this myself. I believe it's hinted at, that his maman has some relation to shadow magic, and Maxwell. There are a few in game quotes that hint towards it.
@@thexp905 Webber got eaten by a spider brought back from the Constant, which might have been created by Maxwell, so they are kinda connected. I wonder what was Maxwell's deal that brought Webber to the Constant.
@@lucasskywalification Probably "I can make you normal" Just not the normal they were expecting.
Maxwell actually kept all his deals. Wilson wanted knowledge, Maxwell gave him knowledge. Webber wanted to be normal, so he took him to the constant where giant spiders are a normal occurrence. Abigail wanted her sister back, he brought her back as a ghost. Wigfred wanted the whole world to be her stage and put her in the headlines, Maxwell brought her to the Constant where she can act out her role, her disappearance putting her in the headlines. Because of this Warly’s mother could’ve actually been cured and become independent again.
Maxwell actually did all of those things JUST to scam the survivors. Warly's mother COULD get better, or she could be healthy as a ghost, who knows?
Edit: what i mean is that he just did half of the promised thing the survivors wanted.
@@mishagaming1075I mean Warly's mom could just be magically cured by shadows, but still, her son freaking disappeared, so I doubt she'd be any happier
He keeps his promises but in a different way than expected
@@maxifire32monkeys paw
Maxwell gave Warly the means to heal his mother, presumably from the magical food ingredients from the Constant. Unfortunately, he didn't get to take his mother with him so she's all alone now..
A couple details you missed out on, Charlie is free in this world because of the association to the chess board again. Charlie is the Queen piece, being the most important in raw power for chess. And Maxwell referring to "Them" is not the shadow creatures as you say in 25:52 but in fact more related to the moon, supported by the fact the Fuel Weaver, who is speculated to be one of the old rulers of the kingdom that has fallen to shadows, also refers to "Them" in his line of death "You are not Them" this means the shadow creatures are not "Them" but they definitely communicate with them in some way at some time. And the update of course named, "The Return of Them". They have always been here but the shadow creatures are completely different and are speculated to be some form of bug people who found refuge in using shadow fuel.
On the other hand with the Wolfgang lore I don't think it changes anything on the earlier parts of the story, more as reinforces what was already there. William Carter had to escape from his old life and so he went with the traveling circus to escape to San Francisco. That accident that happens just wants to highlight the fact he had the book during that time.
Well, at least from the video we know that Wolfgang gets his powers from the shadows, and that he was ready to go to any lengths to get stronger, so Maxwell would have a reason to pull him into the Constant, but not only that, he kept his promise, he gave him the strength he wanted.
@@NikolasoGames he was and still is the strongest DST character
also, i think that the fuelweaver was searching for a way to beat "Them" why?
Well first of all, in the ancient archives, that are clearly related to the moon the centipede attack you if you use shadow weaponry, and fuelweaver's presumed society was pretty much based around nightmare fuel, so that's the motive, also, you know how sanity works the other way around on the lunar island? And what does fuelweaver's helmet do? Exactly, so my theory is that the ancient civilization that lived in the constant before Maxwell got there was in some way defeated by "Them" (another thing, the glass cutter is the only weapon in the game that uses half durability when fighting nightmare creatures)
Not too sure about this... I'm pretty sure the fuelweaver says this because the final blow is actually dealt by Charlie. She "isn't Them", just using their power. The combined forces of both "Moon" and shadow are hinted at to be Them. The creatures that control the Constant. Maxwell's inspection of a lantern states, at least last time I checked, "I hope it keeps Them away". Why would you need light to keep away beings of "Moon"?
In Encore, the part after the final act we can see Acient Fuelweaver 'boutta to beat the daylight out of her in the background, or she just get choosed by Acient Fuelweaver
To everyone commenting about the Wolfgang video, yes I know. It was a difficult decision to even upload this because of its existence. But eventually I decided to do it.
For those unaware it shows William getting saved by Wolfgang under a train crash. I don't want to spoil my theories but I believe this one scene tells us a lot more about the overarching story than you think which is why I ultimately decided to not talk about it until part two. Thank you for reading
Ooh part 2? Sweet, can't wait
So Maxwell could’ve taken wolfgang in because Maxwell believes that wolfgang would’ve survived because Stronk
According to the description in Wolfgang's trailer, Wolfgang was ready to redeem himself after his failure at a show and become stronger, "no matter how dubious the means". This means Maxwell/Charlie reached out to him and fulfilled his promise, at the cost of dragging him into the constant.
@@alimanzoor789 for sure. If maxwell/charlie already had a connection and knew of a way he could manipulate Wolfgang they definitely would
More lore pog
I think it's worth pointing out that the makeshift portal that Charlie destroys in the comic was the portal used in the DST beta, which was then replaced with the floral portal when the game came out of beta, so even the DST beta was lore :D
That's actually really cool
2:48 ooooh, that explains the Wolfgang video! We literally see what happens to William: Wolfgang saves him, with the help of William’s dark magic. If it weren’t for William and Wolfgang’s interaction, William may’ve never seen the true power of the shadow magic. That means… that Wolfgang was kinda William’s first experiment, by near accident. But no wonder people thought he was dead, he nearly was, then when he saw what he did to Wolfgang, he ran, considering the true power he held in his hands.
Wolfgang also cause all the events of the games to happen
@@pug8714 no it’s all Wes’s fault
@Redd Maxwell would likely be dead aswell
Before this short, the general consensus was that Maxwell sent Wolfgang to the Constant as a revenge (kind of like he wanted to with George) for the train crash (because of the poster of the circus), and that Maxwell's tought process was kind of like "yeah, I shall sent that bitch I faked my death because of". But now with the short we know Wolfgang actually saved him?? Like, wtf Maxwell why would u do that lol
And then after having his life saved by Wolfgang he threw him into the Constant
24:10 that entire small segment gives me chills, it goes from maxwell being happy to being so terrified that he screams in agony, and that scream is what gets me, because he just got free from being stuck in that throne for eternity that he was happy, until it was quickly ripped away
My favourite headcannon is that Wilbur is from the same circus as Wolfgang.
With Wilbur's circus-like attire, status, knowledge about using tools and machines. Leaves me to believe that Wilbur was one of the escaped circus monkies that the newspaper warned about.
Maxwell has a quote about Wilbur stating "Well I suppose theres no sending you back now." Which could mean that Maxwell accidently sent Wilbur in the constant, but in what way? Maybe when Maxwell was trying to get Wolfgang.
Also Wolfgang says this line aswell, "Welcome friend, Ha ha!" Which almost solidifies my theory. Wolfgang does call everyone friend, but i prefer that Wolfgang knew Wilbur.
The thing is who is Woodlegs is he just a actor or is he made in SW now this is a mystery
This makes sense that Wilbur doesn't look exactly like the monkeys sure he is but his appearance isn't the same as them knowing the prime apes knowing how dumb they can be sometimes they only made Wilbur King because he looked different or Wilbur fooled them by taking a crown and putting it on and fooling the prime apes so he can use them to live longer, however it's either the cave monkeys aren't fooled and more intelligent OR Wilbur is only the monkey king to one generation and that is the prime apes.
Who’s Wilbur?
@@K31RVGoggles character from the shipwrecked Don’t Starve
(not Don’t Starve Together)
DLC that is unlocked via collecting a crown via killing a bunch of monkeys (kinda like Webber’s skull for Reign of Giants) and using it on… something, you’ll know when you find it on the water.
@@hypermaeonyx4969 would you let it be a surprise?
A thing to add is that since Maxwell basically does his end of the deal Warlys mother may be alive, so you know, theres that.
That short broke my heart when I first saw it and and I've lived thinking that she was basically left to die ever since. I'm glad I saw this because now it gives me even a fraction of hope that she's okay
@@prismacan7752As time in the contanst passes millions of times faster than real life's (Maxwell himself spending thousands of years in the Dark Throne and not even 30 years passing in real life), it's very likely that even if he didn't help his mother there would've passed basically no time in real life (although this does brings up some questions about how tf Wagstaff is spying on the survivors from outside of The Constant).
I like how the same day as the full don't starve story a new animation drops to explain how Maxwell survived the train crash
Maxwell most likely didn't kidnap people for fun and games but to find someone able to free him from the nightmare throne, it propably isn't fun being stuck in one place for all eternity listening to a looping jazz song, he doesn't care if the people he brings in suffer, or meet the same fate as him, he just wants to get off the funky chair. Potential reason for why he brought wendy into the constant is because he thought that she might have a chance of freeing him because of being related, she also propably heard the song because it's playing in Maxwell's room and he was trying to contact her, And got Wolfgang in there because he already helped him once before
Also Wilbur is 100% a monkey from Wolfgang's circus i have literally no doubts about that
I agree, and this is becomes evident when you look at his early targets. An overly creative scientist, a pyromaniac who has escaped from shadows before, the strongman that saved him from death, a librarian with incredible scientific knowledge (and might possibly even have a connection to the very book that brought them all to the Constant).
@@FIamestalker And Warly, because if you're gonna be stuck for eternity on a nightmare throne you might aswell bring some good food with you too
@@eszynka5913 "I permit him to stay so long as he keeps cooking" Maxwell
@@FIamestalker "let 'em cook" Maxwell Gaming
Didn't tell us to stay away? He also laughs at us like those machines
I feel like Maxwell brought people in for company, or more likely, to free him from the throne, so that with his knowledge, Maxwell can fix this situation and free everyone. Then, his wish came true with Wilson before Charlie becomes queen. Still doesn’t excuse his actions though.
He just wanted friends to play don't starve together with
But then wuy wold he try to prevent them from getting to him
@@namelessliberty9869 Maybe that maxwell was controlled by them
@@madman7544 Or maybe, to encourage Wilson to keep going, cause he was getting close to Maxwell. Wilson does percieve him as a villain, so his desperation, ends up pushing Wilson to continue instead of giving up.
@@namelessliberty9869 In the first DST trailer where Charlie takes Wilson's place on the throne she can be seen switching back and forth between an evil and a kind version of herself until she ends up as a mix of the 2 and the animation ends, my theory is that a similar thing applys to maxwell, he has a side that is evil and wants to stay in power and a side that is just tired of being "Their" puppet
People have to be insane before Maxwell can use magic to pull them into the Constant. Just like in the game where you can only see shadows when insane. Everyone was going through a rough patch in their life and that's when Maxwell swoops in
Id like to think sanity is a very real thing in the lore
@@clauday6467very real as in "exactly like the game mechanic"?
Personally, what I like to think is that Charlie and Maxwell are about 7 something feet tall, while all other characters are different heights
Willow having a potentially bigger kill count that Maxwell seems to have aged pretty well (by Wickerbottom's animation short)
26:44 So that's what you needed the gif for? I'm glad i could help in making this masterpiece. Merry Christmas.
Orange is my favorite don't starve youtuber he's gotten me back into the game a whole lot and had shown me how much depth the game has
That trollface Maxwell is gonna be the most cursed thing I've seen today. Either way amazing video I really like your humour
13:19
@@theburningkitten4019 you are welcome
Good video! You covered this topic well, and I'm eager to see a second part of this.
Don't Starve's story is disjointed, but when you can look at the whole thing in one big picture, it surprisingly makes sense. I appreciate how much attention to detail Klei has, even over 8+ years, even down to minute quotes. They care as much as we do, and it's surprising how rare that is in game development, haha.
Ok but you didn't explained how William Afton escaped the freddy fazbear's pizzeria.
6:50 wow, that's impressive, in this universe steam exists in like 1903 year, that explains Maxwell Gaming.
Theory: people hear "music" when communig with Maxwell because of that disc player by his throne
so he's talking over deafening music like some kid in a public lobby
I mean, Willow's DS icon gives us a pretty good idea of what she's been doing through these 10 years
This video really helped me fully understand the Don’t Starve series
Thank you so much! And it helped me put to get her pieces with the new Wolfgang video as well :0
Im guessing, Willow burnt the New York Library, the who is shown in winona's short, where Wickerbottom being the librarian there
Honestly for Wigfrid, i thought that the “Maxwell technically keeping his end of the deal but in a twisted way” was his saying “I’ll put you back in the headlines” and a newspaper with an article of her disappearance showing at the end of the video… instead of the whole “world’s a stage” thing. I mean that could apply too, but I think my theory is to much of a coincidence not to have at least some traction.
Ok this video is phenomenal so this is beside the point, but the fact that you used the word "DECAYING" at 13:27 is absolutely hilarious😭😭
I've been looking for that kind of video FOREVER, hell, even binge-watched all of your content about DST lore out of desperation, and then THIS drops.
OrangE Man never disappoints.
Dude I was just thinking about how cool it would be to see an analysis of don't starve lore today.
i understood the surface level of lore such as abigail being dead, but i never did the time to research the actual lore, and you did it all. all i want to say is thank you, thank you for teaching me all the epic lore of dst.
I really love this editing 😂 and I don't know why I'm wheezing so hard when you said "Warly's decaying mother"
I don't know why but I really enjoy listening to you so these long videos always bring me great joy. Talking about ds is a big plus too.
Keep the good work up!
Charlie is the hostile monster at night and the world creator/nurturing figure at day. The chaos within her has led her to create both good and bad stuff, and gains power from their worldly interactions. This is observed in the animations. She's the queen bee who is bound to the hive(world). The constant world needs her to harness it.
12:14. The concept of bernie could have come from the fact that teddy bears are said to be the protective gaurdians of their children who fight monsters when they are asleep.
25:54
the fuel weaver says "You are not *Them*" when you defeat him, which tells us that he is impressed, that he was defeated by survivor(s) but not *Them* i don't think that *Them* are nightmare creatures, because he literally uses them in the fight.
I think "Them" is an entity on the moon, as hinted from the trailers of "Return of Them".
Them can also be those gestalts, which fight against the shadow creatures
@@alimanzoor789 Maxwell : When i was here, i saw nothing, but dust and void.
Also Maxwell examining Merms : They were here before me.
Anyway, "Them" are something that is in the constant before anyone else, before the maxwell, i am sure the ancient civilazation in the ruins, were here before maxwell as well, I don't think he created ruins, nor atrium and they falled eventually, since "Them" are the true creators of the Constant, they might not create much, but a world, they search for someone, to make their own additions to the template and of course suffer on the nightmare throne. it's pretty obvious that Return of Them and gestalts from the moon, are not "Them" even the reason, why maxwell got trapped into the constant, is the shadow hands. Yet the moon on the constant, was also before the maxwell, because i don't think maxwell would make gestalts, or the lunar champion in the moon, yet charlie wouldn't too, because she fights gestalts and the moon with darkness, why would she make her self an enemy?
@@pitergrand5488 perhaps the gestalts and the nightmare creatures were both in the constant before maxwell?
17:41 OH SO THATS WHO WES PUSHED!!! (Thank you so much I’ve been wondering about this for months now)
This game's lore never fails to give me the goosebumps
OrangE: **uploads don’t starve iceberg**
Also OrangE: I’m gonna pretend I didn’t see that **new storyline video**
Willow and Charlie are so chaotic
Maxwell gaming too
This is probably the best lore explained video I've ever seen, detailed and funny. Looking forward to part two
14:30 I think she died from a car accident because in the animation when she falls you can hear a car stopping but idk just a theory
Dude this video was awesome. Love your content man. Regardless if it's silly or serious like this. Just good stuff. Thanks for doing what you do
You really going to hit us with the "You know who else is dead? Abigail" 💀💀💀brutal orange man, just brutal
"Somehow Maxwell survived"
Funny timing...
Charlie really said "thanks for the portal idea maxwell and wilson"
I literally just got home from the longest day of classes, and I discovered this video! This is utterly lovely!
9:58 Wilson fricking dies in the bombing of the monke Olympics while playing the one man band
You won a new suscriber with just one video, nice job 👍
Really nice work!! Have been trying to lerning the story fully out for a while. Thank you so much for doing this video made my day :)
0:50 there is Wilson name in the Poster: "Higgsbury Percival", so maybe Maxwell knew Wilson before taking him to The Constant.
THANK YOU ORANGE THIS COULDNT BE MORE PERFECT
L O R E. EXPLAINED BY YOU.
LOVE IT
I really enjoyed the satirical/casual geographic way that you explained and recapped the a significant portion of the DS and DST lore, the perfect balance of funny, but also informative, investing, and very well pronounced!
I will gladly await for the second part to this lore analysis, *Hungrier, for more!*
13:41 - "There is no joke here. It is just sad", but yet you decide to put a joke right before these words and I laughed. You can't do that to me. ( ; - ;)
Well done orange man! Fantastic editing and great storytelling. Can't wait for part 2!
Shhhh, he's explaining the fnaf lore :)
I like how when Maxwell went over to America you showed him going from a green grassy place to a desert
I’m really glad I watched this video before watching the Wolfgang one. I had completely forgotten about the lore with the train. Then when I watched the Wolfgang one right after my head exploded, and now I’m walking around headless. Thanks OrangE!
I liked it when you put on the dragonfly music while you explained Willow's story, it reminds me of when I killed the dragonfly (obviously I mean Don't starve pocket + RoG DLC)
Great Video, I am happy to have been part of this amazing community in this amazing year
Correction on the Wigfrid bit: According to the compendium bio, she was a renowned play acter who did many parts, and then when she played Wigfrid the performance was spectacular, but it effected her so much she never managed to capture the same magic she once had in future roles, hence the newspaper.
Never played, this is just what I need
Honestly, the only lore question I have is: Did Maxwell create the weird cave bugs that made the ruins or were they already dead when he got there?
You mean the ancients? Those were already there, and are (as far as we know) original from the Constant. Even if they aren't, they did get there before everyone else (or at least before Maxwell and Charlie)
Maxwell thinks he created everything but he doesn't know for sure
He does say that he designed his clockworks after the ones in the ruins and also says certain things were there before he was and he says he didn't know about the ancient archives yet his memory is a bit hazy since he has forgotten things like the crafting recipes and some ancient text.
I like to imagine that they were some kind of remnant that remained in the seemingly empty constant, kind of like a deleted but not overridden computer file. Which stated to reform by its own volition once Maxwell made the constant in his image. Later he found it under the world he created, and he studied it so that he may learn more about the world surrounding him and so he could innovate in his creations.
your editing style is so funny I LOVE IT
12:37,
it's fine, she has netherite armor with fire resistance IV
I like to believe that Abigail in the animation fell into rocky water and died due to being.. punctured. I assume that when she fell in the flower bush because she was running on rocks (with wendy watching) that she fell and instead of landing on a flower bush it was actually sharp,rocky,shallow waters. I think this because they live on a island or sm
Babe wake up new don’t starve lore video dropped
I love the commentary and editing style you've got going on dude, it never fails to make me smile. Keep up the good work man! ^w^
11:20 - I assumed Maxwell was doing this to find someone to take his place so he could be free.
28:41 and that proves that willson is a genius
He built the beebox next to his base
Thank you for the lore! Please make a playlist for so its easy to find, you're the first to do the lore straight forward and clean explanation :D
5:33 I think the shadow creature maxwell is referring to is actually Mr Skitts since it’s harmless
thank you for the video!
ive been a huge fan of don't starve since 2014 and i still can't survive past one winter LOL the story and characters are my favourite part
I started the video expecting some top tier shitpost and instead found a top tier lore video. This was really cool and well put together!
I think knowing how long Wilson was on the throne is not a matter on the growth of his beard. It wouldn't make sense that his beard grow while his time is there, but Maxwell not have anything done to him. If we followed that standard, Maxwell wouldve been turning into dust while he was on the throne, not only happening once the player frees him, so I would say Wilson could have been there longer
Please make part two! I love your casual writing style, the visual editing and your sense of humor! I need more of all of this talking about the game's lore!!!!
Maxwell kept bringing in random people hoping they could free him but as they got closer he began to fear the prospect of death
I've wanted a lore explanation video for don't starve for so long and I'm so happy this popped up in my recommended
Maxwell ISNT actually evil, the gramophone in the finale made him insane and made him trap the victims in the constant. (Even the children)
4:12 two years late but better late than not at all.
So you say the crossed out address means he never sent it but if you look up like 3 pixels the stamp is postmarked meaning it was sent and likely got intercepted, also if it was him that crossed out the address why swap to a red pen (well red ink as we didn’t have disposable pens at this point in history, so if you have not used a Fountain pen it’s not easy to swap out ink colours so without washing out the old ink you wouldn’t end up with such a red red ink).
4:13 the postage stamp has a cancellation mark (the rubber stamp applied over it), which is affixed by the postal service during processing to indicate the stamp has been used.
cancellation mark?
@@Or-ang-E The faint red ink stamp over the top of the postage stamp that reads NORTH-something I can't make out, with the squiggly lines. In the US that would be applied by the US Postal Service. It's a minor detail, but it means that the letter was sent and processed by the postal service. It's intended to prevent stamps from being reused.
I cant thank you enough for the explanations made as a skit in the game. it actually explains it so much better and it makes it easier to understand + remember.
23:08 Thought I was gonna get rickrolled 😂😂😂
Finally. It's been so frustrating trying to find any lore on this game. Thank you. Glad I subbed
Doesn't want to wait another year for this video but didn't know he could've waited a few minutes later for the Wolfgang rework that shows backstory of Wolfgang and maxwell train crash
really good video, excellent information with great comedy presentation that isnt heavy in a way that undermines the focus
18:11 Meanwhile, in the Constant.
Maxwell: Can I not just try again?
Them: WE AREN'T LOSERS, MAXWELL.
Maxwell: ...What?
Them: WE ONLY TAKE W'S.
Witherstone
Best Narrator out there ngl ahahahah keep it up fam
The Lore is always the Best part in every game... Amazing Job.
I really love the humor you put in this plus the visual gags all hit really well
I just wanted to point out real quick the reason Maxwell tricked people into the constant. The compendium states after being put on the throne he was compelled to do so, with the codex umbra "clouding his heart". It might be a fancy way of saying he's a @#&hole, but who knows really?
Maybe They compelled him to kidnap people into the constant, but it was Maxwell alone who tried to get Wilson to take over the throne, because it was actually against Their wishes? Which is why it's still a challenge to get to him? I confused myself writing that...
This video was so good man, super good eediting
when you forgot to take your pill when your 99 year old 24:15