Also mandrakes are deffinitely lunar aligned because you can find the panflute next to glommers statue, glommer is lunar aligned (as it shows in the scrapbook). And you craft the panflute with mandrakes.
@kocsisvirag1561 the shadow manipulator itself is a bit outdated at this point I think and should be regarded more as simply just a 'magic station'. You can also craft the Bright Boxer and Moondial at the shadow manipulator which are definitely not shadow crafts.
I mean isnt this a IRL thing? Some farmers actually play music for plants to grow bigger, its a real thing study shows. And some plantation like trees have connected roots so if 1 is dangered then the roots will sent signals to warn others to quickly grow to counter that threat... its mostly against bugs
OrangE it's you! What are your future projects? How long do they take? What project are you working on now? Do you still play don't starve together? If you do what do you think of the new updates? Sorry I got carried away but you upload like twice or thrice a year. Also one more question, do you plan on making short formed content?
@@NickFury-i4b 1,2 and 3 - It's a secret 4 and 5 - I don't play the game anymore, but I watch Slasher's lore stuff. Also Eber/Meatgood because they are my friends. 6 - I don't watch shorts so I won't make them
One minor mistake I would like to point out, you listed green gems as being connected to growth and plants and construction. However, the game instead seems to make it clear that green gems are actually connected to time. Nearly every quote for the deconstruction staff mentions how it literally reverses time to decraft an object, time manipulation is one of the most powerful abilities and green gems are the most expensive, and out of all the gems, Wanda is only interested in the purple gem (due to her shadow magic) and the green gem (due to its time manipulation). Now onto some other bits of insight that might help you with potential new theory crafting. I think I have mentioned this before, but have you ever considered the possibility of the Constant being the antithesis of Altar and thus, the other one of Them? Additionally, red gems and blue gems seem not connected to hot and cold, but rather red are connected to life energy, with life energy having numerous connections to heat and red, from Wortox soul colors, to Willow's embers requiring killing living things, dragoon hearts being the core ingredient for powerful fire crafts, and the life giving amulet, while blue gems are connected to the opposite, with quotes for the chilled amulet stating that it doesn't really cool down so much as it sucks the vitality and thus heat out of whoever puts it on, and it specifically needs to be placed on the sternum, which is right in front of the heart. Speaking about gems, it could be possible that all of Them are connected to a different gem type, with purple for the Constant and iridescent for Altar, but potentially red for the volcano (it seems to be a living being, it is part of the Constant and red gems can be crafted into purple gems, and it requires snackrifices of life force and is responsible for the dragoon hearts), orange for the Gnaw (It looks like wormholes, which teleport between two locations just like orange gems and all orange gem crafts are connected to laziness, with one even teleporting items straight to you, just like how the Gnaw is rather lazy and forces others to get food for it), and, if we consider that both the planet and the moon are not actually celestial bodies but "Thems," then why not have the sun be a "Them" and thus it would be connected to yellow gems. Additionally, time is known for being inconsistent in the "Them" universe, so perhaps there might be a green gem entity messing around.
Maxwell says "red is the color of fire" (for the crimson feather) and "red brings fire" (for the gem) So it isn't "life energy" Rather a symbolism as how a Phoenix revives from the ashes. That kind flame, and that how life giving amulet is based on. But ye, it is a kind of energy it outputs, life energy, whatever energy, it's not that important. As the life giving amulet also regenerates your health slowly overtime, by BURNING some of your calories/food (I say calories bc the eye of chutulu hat literally eats food, not the one you already ate) So. Fire. Symbolic fire.
And nooou..? Blue gems don't necessarily "suck" your energy out (the chilled amulet). The reason why it activates near the sternum (what wagstaff says). Because all magic necklaces do... Like imagine the green gem necklace being active even if it's in your pocket, Or imagine the orange necklace collecting item around it even when on the ground. So I invalid your reasoning of chilled amulets sucking out life energy bc they need to be close to the sternum to activate, (which is close to the heart.) Bc if that were true, then there should be an exception of necklaces not activating. Or being active in other forms. (Dst life giving amulets I consider invalid. Bc yes they activate when hunted by a ghost, but it's not true for Ds, and I think was only implemented for multiplayer purposes.) Wick does say to the chilled amulet that "The gem appears to be sucking energy out anything it touches." BUT IT ISN'T life energy. Then gameplay wise you'd either age faster or lose hp. And Wx literally says "ITS MOLECULES ARE BARELY MOVING" for the ice staff. So it is based on molecular changes on the body which it exhibits on the whole body when worn. I'd say that would make you actually age slower... But that's not proven, I think it's more probable, it's only giving it's effects on the outer body, like yea "it's cold to the touch" but would freeze your inner body instantly.
@@kocsisvirag1561 Yeah, that is a much better way of describing it and it still mostly works within most of my unposted theories while having minimal contradictions with my posted theories, thanks, will study this information deeper.
maybe thats why in the trailer, plants grew rapidly around it? and how wormwood can flower quickly?because of the crystal accelerating the growth around it?
after watching the video i feel like the point that wormwood is engineered to be useful towards the survivors could mean a bit more then said in the video, we dont know alters goals, but sending down a literal infinite food (so healing, sanity, and hunger) machine a producer of arguably one of the better armours in the game, while hes also an endless source of living logs which provide weapons, heat, magic, and even more weapons, and even more magic. +theres the smaller stuff like the traps which do serve a purpose too. honestly looking at what wormwood has done so far, and at the fact that most skill trees cant align with alter, and just wagstaff, i think his goal isnt to sway the survivors to alters side. maybe alters goal is as simple as helping the survivors (thats basically all he has done so far) or atleast make them stronger. he surely knows things we have no ideas about, or maybe theres some other reason. loved the vid!
One major issue though, if the apporkalypse is caused by alter, why was the apporkalypse calendar made clearly out of nightmare fuel? And why does the ancient herald appear? Also, why would it be caused by alter if the triggering device for the apporkalypse was clearly made by pigmen? My theory is that the apporkalypse was the normal state of Hamlet for a very long time, thus a civilization of pigmen made the calendar to slow it down. However, that still doesn't explain why the ancient herald exists, unless the ancient herald was possibly made as a combatant by the shadow throne. Also, there is another theory that Wormwood was created by alter to deconstruct the shadow throne, as Wormwood was made with a green gem, which is used in the deconstruction staff. One last thing, the name "Wormwood" might also be a hint, because "wormwood" was the meteorite that was thrown into the rivers and springs in the New Testament that poisoned the water supply, and guess where Wormwood came from, from the sky as a green gem meteorite. (Also this could be one of DSTs name mixing puns, as wormwood is not only a real type of plant but also the name of that meteorite.)
Something I find interesting is that the two cave exculsive "living" plants, the bulbous lightbugs and mush gnomes (yes I know this ones a fungus), dont have the lunar alignment (according to the wiki), despite clearly being influenced by Alter
I like to think that the Treeguard are nothing but a "failed attempt" of the shadow faction of trying to imitate what the moon did, trying to create sentient plants, but they only thing they could make was a brainless beast that could be barley reasoned with, or maybe it's slowly growing its consciousness and now roams protecting the only home it knows?
When you mentioned alter looking for “something”. Could it be the celestial sanctum? We know that the lunar altars make alter more powerful (or wake him up fully?) I feel like it’s reasonable to say that alter was seeking that out on his own before the players do it for him.
Alright here is what I think about some of the things mentioned - First, the reason why I belive Alter has so much influence over plantlife and limited influnce over the living beings is because, like our real moon, Alter can influence but on an even bigger scale (plants are about 80-95% water while humans are just 60%) - The Tree Guardians serve the purpose of ensuring there are always enough so while they could influenced by Alter, they could just aswell have been direct products of the Constant so it can stay...constant - Alter can most likely only take control of living things once they died is because then he doesnt have that bodies system to fight against, with him crystalizing the water of the body into the growths and excelerating its decay to produce Rot faster - Why I think the Moonrock Pengulls drop Monster Meat instead of Rot is because of their frozen bodies slowing the decay down so much that the Shadows could fester in them enough to turn it into Monster Meat, which is then kept in condition by the ice body - And lastly, I feel Alter didnt create Wormwood as a Diplomat or direct Agent, but instead for propagating plant life in the Constant, especially Lure Plants to increase the view Alter has. He doesnt like hurting plants because that goes against his purpose and he likes the other Survivors because they help him grow more plants, and while they do need to hurt plants for progress, having renewable or even an excess source of plants is in the best interests of the Survivors, meaning more plants Wormwood can grow. Wormwood most likely has no idea what any of Alters intentions are, be they good or bad, because just that knowledge could interfere with his purpose of making more plant life on the Constant, all he knows is "Plants are friend, funny meatbag also make plants, funny meatbag also friend" because that is all he needs
If you seriously spend 52 gems for 1 Green one instead of just fighting Dragonfly or exploring the Ruins, then That’s one of the Biggest Waste of items Ever 💀
@ yeah I guess That Too, but the Point is that it’s a Scam to waste like 20 Red gems for 1 Deconstruction Staff or Amulet, You can just create Life Giving Amulets instead, and by Then you Basically Already Won the Game so there’s probably no Point
About the pengul thing, tallbirds also drop normal meat, depsite being obviously made out of monster meat, and so does AG even though he is fully corrupted by nightmare fuel, its simply just a game design choice which i doubt has any lore significance.
I have a theory that purple is focus and space,Blue is Cold and clarity, Red is heat and life, Orange is Temporal displacement, yellow is light refraction, Green is matter conversion
I was thinking, could the Lunar and Shadow energy be two sides of the same coin? That's why the pengull drops monster meat and transformations happen in even shadow aligned mobs? Edit: Glommer, a lunar Aligned mob, drops Monster meat
What if "Them" refers to the multiple gods who do this stuff, like the Gnaw which destroyed and cursed the gorge, or the ones who stole the throne from pugna and trapped him, or Alter and the other god from the ancient portal depicted on the murals (I haven't researched dst lore much so maybe this is completely unintelligible)
My question is: why is Alter motivated to change and mutate the creatures and creations of the Constant in the first place? And if this is something that Alter (and its Gestalts) does, why is there no life on the surface of the moon? The moon is barren and dead -- something that makes me think that Alter is extremely jealous of the creations that Constant has created, specifically life.
About Leafy Meat, it's curious how everyone despises it and yet it restores sanity, contrary to monster meat which is as repugnant and actually makes you lose sanity. On the one hand, I understand that the combo meat/veggie is more appetizing than meat/hair, but on the other, and in the context of being lunar aligned, does it mean it induces lunacy?
This is extremely niece but relates to two points you make. The reason why lack of sleep will eventually kill you is because your body will be unable to keep up with your bodys lack of antioxidants. In the process of things rotting, part of the process is oxidation which excells rotting and leads to a unpleasant smell in organic matter. Maybe the gastalts are rapidly oxidizing the things they interact with. Stripping you of the recources your body needs forcing you to collapse and making things rot at excellerated speed.
Great thoeory, but one thing I would like to point out is that Wormwood resembels Ancient herald a bit, mainly the head shape. So what if Wormwood was sent as Alters anwser to Ancient Herald?
I'm not entirely sure whether or not you count seasonal events as cannon, but in the year of the carrat, Charlie summons shadow carrats whenever you start a Carrat race without enough players. This is the most direct example of a sentient plant being completely shadow aligned. Then again it is an event so if you don't count it that is totally fair.
The butterflies are actually plants too youre correct. One of the characters: maxwell I think, openly rats them out by stating that they are actually floating mobile flowers. Though I don't think they needed to be mentioned in this theory since there's no nightmare variant, thus no real contention
@@slasher3428 thank you for responding my comments you're probably right I guess it doesn't count as a nightmare saying but the moth count as a Luna thing on the ether hand don't do anything to grow a moon trees anyway thanks 😉 😊 😀
@@slasher3428 if the butterflies are flying plants and you can use them to plant flowers are the evil flowers technically not nightmare variants of butterflies but after they are planted?
Wormwood kinda resembles the Green Gem items in his abilities, like creating crops, plants, and animals w/ Cultivator, or in other words, “Constructing”, and the Bramble items and his Guardian skills mainly being used for defense/offense, or in other words “Deconstructing” enemies.
Mandrakes are shadow aligned. Change my mind in the comments. Also, we should talk about the sun. Everyone is missing out the sun's existence. And has also evident effects on both lunar and shadow sides.
You have no idea how hyped I am to see this video! Also, honestly, I would enjoy just about any theory video you feel like making. Your voice and the way you construct these videos is just so satisfying and fun :)
How about monkeytails? The WX-78 quote is likely a joke, but the origins of them may actually mean that they're some kind of plant animal hybrid as well.
You might have covered this in the video, still haven't finished. But treeguard idols crafted by Woodie, need nightmare fuel. So, treeuards, lumpy treeguards, and poison birchnuts are all shadow-y to some degree
Although that's one argument, I would say that's not exactly it. Think about it, nightmare fuel can do almost ANYTHING. It can create matter, energy, and life; it's been used this way by the survivors and the Ancients. Moon energy can do almost none of those things. Instead of being capable of creating life, it is only capable of manipulating it. Instead of being able to create energy, it is only able to steal or change energy like how polar lights absorb heat from the environment to produce freezing effect. The moon is so interested and jealous of living creatures on the constant, but its own world is barren and lifeless. As it turns its focus towards the constant after the lunar siphonator event, it begins creating rifts in an effort to invade and corrupt the world. All that to say: the moon is not the opposite of the shadows. If it was, it would be equally powerful, but it's just not. To do magic, it has to pervert and change the creations of the Constant, and hence it's really not surprising that the plant life can have elements of both lunar and shadow.
@contrapartidagames532 Woodie's quote implies that you're luring treeguards bot creating them. But there's also the fact that nightmare fuel/shadows aren't physical (can't get wet even after that was updated) so making a smell is weird. Also the connections made in this video Note: Roses and flowers are smells resulting due to Charlie, not the shadows
I always felt that everything plant related is just under a teeny bit of the lunar influence, as much as the full moon cycle allows pretty much, even though some non plant creatures are still somewhat influenced, mostly mutations of sorts Then how the caves have NO lunar influence and then the shadow influence that was eventually unleashed, and also shadows maybe influencing creatures as well. oh but how certain surface things getting more lunar influence in certain conditions making things more prominent edit: yeah explaining the combinations of creatures
great theory. Also, god that ending got me, I was zoned out reading the comments and I just hear THAT all of a sudden & I look up to see that scene. If I hadn't covered my mouth I would've woke up everybody in the apartment building, I was not prepared for that
I was scrolling on my phone, saw this video, and took it as a spiritual message from earth to get out of bed and play dst while this played in the background, thanks slasher
Some interesting facts which may be thrilling to know. btw love your vids!! ;) I think shadow aligned and moon aligned deities in dst are based on the color systems in light and physical pigment or which you could translate to shadows. If you mix all primary light colors you get white, symbolizing altar (blue) the red hamlet moon and wormwood in green, who could've come down from earth but being like a heavenly moon angel? well and the shadow god charly is conversing with is red and the ancient murals show a yellow one, leaving the place of dark blue for charlie. maybe after a story line of her killing altar and splitting in two? well that's my shizophrenic prophesy rant 'bout it. Jokes aside 2 sides both based on the color theories of light and "darkness" (pigments). message me if you want some more infos on color theory and how it aligns with the lore best of love
The red light part does not feel entirely accurate. Sunlight contains all spectrums of light, including red. In my opinion, the difference between the experiment and the aporkalypse is the intensity of light. The eclipse reduces the overall intensity of light, the red colour simply becoming more visible presumably because it reflects off of the moon surface the best, or something similar (I did not major in optics). Perhaps it is the result of the clouds and mist filtering out other light spectrums. That is, unless the aporkalypse, or the moon itself changes the properties of sunlight, intensifying the red rays and not just reducing the intensity of all others.
Oh, so, the reason that the aporkalypse is heavily affected by shadows and is not fully lunar energy is because the moon can only exert its nature by being free of the Constant's shadow whilst in orbit. However, what happens during a lunar eclipse, such as the Aporkalypse, is that the planet is casting its shadow entirely on the moon. In the case of the constant, this gives the shadows total control over the moon's magic, letting lunar hell reign under shadow's thumb.
My best guess for the Moonguins is that they turned before or at the same time as becoming Moonlit. Not the best lore knower, but as mentioned we don't see them turn like some of the others.
Also mandrakes are deffinitely lunar aligned because you can find the panflute next to glommers statue, glommer is lunar aligned (as it shows in the scrapbook). And you craft the panflute with mandrakes.
Also, mandrakes when eaten put you or people to sleep.
You what else puts people to sleep? Gestalts
But it's crafted at the shadow manipulator.. being lunar doesn't make sense
Elder Mandrakes are smiling during full moon
@kocsisvirag1561 the shadow manipulator itself is a bit outdated at this point I think and should be regarded more as simply just a 'magic station'. You can also craft the Bright Boxer and Moondial at the shadow manipulator which are definitely not shadow crafts.
they even die in the morning
Literally every plant in don’t starve is sentient even the crops can hear music and have feelings and can be sad
which is also reinforced by wormwood's whole shtick. You know, plants relating to him and how he gets upset when plants are killed
I mean isnt this a IRL thing?
Some farmers actually play music for plants to grow bigger, its a real thing study shows.
And some plantation like trees have connected roots so if 1 is dangered then the roots will sent signals to warn others to quickly grow to counter that threat... its mostly against bugs
@Danielsgarden-m8j yeah the people above never go outside lmao
Ye, it’s called Sonic Bloom I believe
@@crescentmoon5686sonic boom
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(Blackbeard writing)
Your so close to the play button!
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OrangE it's you! What are your future projects? How long do they take? What project are you working on now? Do you still play don't starve together? If you do what do you think of the new updates? Sorry I got carried away but you upload like twice or thrice a year. Also one more question, do you plan on making short formed content?
@@NickFury-i4b 1,2 and 3 - It's a secret
4 and 5 - I don't play the game anymore, but I watch Slasher's lore stuff. Also Eber/Meatgood because they are my friends.
6 - I don't watch shorts so I won't make them
So he is alive, glad to see you!
PLEASE DONT BE AFRAID TO BRANCH OUT, YOU BRING SO MUCH INSIGHT TO WHATEVER YOU TOUCH
One minor mistake I would like to point out, you listed green gems as being connected to growth and plants and construction. However, the game instead seems to make it clear that green gems are actually connected to time. Nearly every quote for the deconstruction staff mentions how it literally reverses time to decraft an object, time manipulation is one of the most powerful abilities and green gems are the most expensive, and out of all the gems, Wanda is only interested in the purple gem (due to her shadow magic) and the green gem (due to its time manipulation).
Now onto some other bits of insight that might help you with potential new theory crafting. I think I have mentioned this before, but have you ever considered the possibility of the Constant being the antithesis of Altar and thus, the other one of Them? Additionally, red gems and blue gems seem not connected to hot and cold, but rather red are connected to life energy, with life energy having numerous connections to heat and red, from Wortox soul colors, to Willow's embers requiring killing living things, dragoon hearts being the core ingredient for powerful fire crafts, and the life giving amulet, while blue gems are connected to the opposite, with quotes for the chilled amulet stating that it doesn't really cool down so much as it sucks the vitality and thus heat out of whoever puts it on, and it specifically needs to be placed on the sternum, which is right in front of the heart. Speaking about gems, it could be possible that all of Them are connected to a different gem type, with purple for the Constant and iridescent for Altar, but potentially red for the volcano (it seems to be a living being, it is part of the Constant and red gems can be crafted into purple gems, and it requires snackrifices of life force and is responsible for the dragoon hearts), orange for the Gnaw (It looks like wormholes, which teleport between two locations just like orange gems and all orange gem crafts are connected to laziness, with one even teleporting items straight to you, just like how the Gnaw is rather lazy and forces others to get food for it), and, if we consider that both the planet and the moon are not actually celestial bodies but "Thems," then why not have the sun be a "Them" and thus it would be connected to yellow gems. Additionally, time is known for being inconsistent in the "Them" universe, so perhaps there might be a green gem entity messing around.
Maxwell says "red is the color of fire" (for the crimson feather) and "red brings fire" (for the gem)
So it isn't "life energy"
Rather a symbolism as how a Phoenix revives from the ashes. That kind flame, and that how life giving amulet is based on.
But ye, it is a kind of energy it outputs, life energy, whatever energy, it's not that important.
As the life giving amulet also regenerates your health slowly overtime, by BURNING some of your calories/food (I say calories bc the eye of chutulu hat literally eats food, not the one you already ate)
So.
Fire.
Symbolic fire.
And nooou..?
Blue gems don't necessarily "suck" your energy out (the chilled amulet).
The reason why it activates near the sternum (what wagstaff says). Because all magic necklaces do...
Like imagine the green gem necklace being active even if it's in your pocket,
Or imagine the orange necklace collecting item around it even when on the ground.
So I invalid your reasoning of chilled amulets sucking out life energy bc they need to be close to the sternum to activate, (which is close to the heart.)
Bc if that were true, then there should be an exception of necklaces not activating.
Or being active in other forms. (Dst life giving amulets I consider invalid. Bc yes they activate when hunted by a ghost, but it's not true for Ds, and I think was only implemented for multiplayer purposes.)
Wick does say to the chilled amulet that "The gem appears to be sucking energy out anything it touches."
BUT IT ISN'T life energy. Then gameplay wise you'd either age faster or lose hp.
And Wx literally says "ITS MOLECULES ARE BARELY MOVING" for the ice staff.
So it is based on molecular changes on the body which it exhibits on the whole body when worn.
I'd say that would make you actually age slower... But that's not proven, I think it's more probable, it's only giving it's effects on the outer body, like yea "it's cold to the touch" but would freeze your inner body instantly.
@@kocsisvirag1561 Yeah, that is a much better way of describing it and it still mostly works within most of my unposted theories while having minimal contradictions with my posted theories, thanks, will study this information deeper.
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Keep cooking
maybe thats why in the trailer, plants grew rapidly around it? and how wormwood can flower quickly?because of the crystal accelerating the growth around it?
maxwell's quote about tallbirds and the whole "They are mainly comprised of eye" thing makes me think about what he was experimenting with
He literally says that they are a failed experiment.
after watching the video i feel like the point that wormwood is engineered to be useful towards the survivors could mean a bit more then said in the video, we dont know alters goals, but sending down a literal infinite food (so healing, sanity, and hunger) machine a producer of arguably one of the better armours in the game, while hes also an endless source of living logs which provide weapons, heat, magic, and even more weapons, and even more magic. +theres the smaller stuff like the traps which do serve a purpose too. honestly looking at what wormwood has done so far, and at the fact that most skill trees cant align with alter, and just wagstaff, i think his goal isnt to sway the survivors to alters side. maybe alters goal is as simple as helping the survivors (thats basically all he has done so far) or atleast make them stronger. he surely knows things we have no ideas about, or maybe theres some other reason. loved the vid!
One major issue though, if the apporkalypse is caused by alter, why was the apporkalypse calendar made clearly out of nightmare fuel?
And why does the ancient herald appear?
Also, why would it be caused by alter if the triggering device for the apporkalypse was clearly made by pigmen?
My theory is that the apporkalypse was the normal state of Hamlet for a very long time, thus a civilization of pigmen made the calendar to slow it down.
However, that still doesn't explain why the ancient herald exists, unless the ancient herald was possibly made as a combatant by the shadow throne.
Also, there is another theory that Wormwood was created by alter to deconstruct the shadow throne, as Wormwood was made with a green gem, which is used in the deconstruction staff.
One last thing, the name "Wormwood" might also be a hint, because "wormwood" was the meteorite that was thrown into the rivers and springs in the New Testament that poisoned the water supply, and guess where Wormwood came from, from the sky as a green gem meteorite. (Also this could be one of DSTs name mixing puns, as wormwood is not only a real type of plant but also the name of that meteorite.)
I like the idea of wormwood being alters weapon to deconstruct shadow throne
Wormwood is like the Jesus Christ of the constant but if god was an evil moon guy 🤯
Something I find interesting is that the two cave exculsive "living" plants, the bulbous lightbugs and mush gnomes (yes I know this ones a fungus), dont have the lunar alignment (according to the wiki), despite clearly being influenced by Alter
according the the scrapbook they are lunar alligned (aswell as obviously being so)
When asking about why moon Pengulls drops monster meat, maybe that's a stage in the mutation. It goes from meat to Monster Meat to Rot to Leafy Meat
I like to think that the Treeguard are nothing but a "failed attempt" of the shadow faction of trying to imitate what the moon did, trying to create sentient plants, but they only thing they could make was a brainless beast that could be barley reasoned with, or maybe it's slowly growing its consciousness and now roams protecting the only home it knows?
17:15 That's not even mentioning the fact that the moon has 6 gems and the eye-plant has 6 leaves.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but when Alter is angy and exposes its eye it has 6 shards of moonglass surrounding them
@@Potato_Tomato-od2lzYeah, this is correct, and the moon is cracked kinda like the opened mouth of an eye plant
When you mentioned alter looking for “something”. Could it be the celestial sanctum? We know that the lunar altars make alter more powerful (or wake him up fully?) I feel like it’s reasonable to say that alter was seeking that out on his own before the players do it for him.
That's probably a crab theory video
Alright here is what I think about some of the things mentioned
- First, the reason why I belive Alter has so much influence over plantlife and limited influnce over the living beings is because, like our real moon, Alter can influence but on an even bigger scale (plants are about 80-95% water while humans are just 60%)
- The Tree Guardians serve the purpose of ensuring there are always enough so while they could influenced by Alter, they could just aswell have been direct products of the Constant so it can stay...constant
- Alter can most likely only take control of living things once they died is because then he doesnt have that bodies system to fight against, with him crystalizing the water of the body into the growths and excelerating its decay to produce Rot faster
- Why I think the Moonrock Pengulls drop Monster Meat instead of Rot is because of their frozen bodies slowing the decay down so much that the Shadows could fester in them enough to turn it into Monster Meat, which is then kept in condition by the ice body
- And lastly, I feel Alter didnt create Wormwood as a Diplomat or direct Agent, but instead for propagating plant life in the Constant, especially Lure Plants to increase the view Alter has. He doesnt like hurting plants because that goes against his purpose and he likes the other Survivors because they help him grow more plants, and while they do need to hurt plants for progress, having renewable or even an excess source of plants is in the best interests of the Survivors, meaning more plants Wormwood can grow. Wormwood most likely has no idea what any of Alters intentions are, be they good or bad, because just that knowledge could interfere with his purpose of making more plant life on the Constant, all he knows is "Plants are friend, funny meatbag also make plants, funny meatbag also friend" because that is all he needs
If you seriously spend 52 gems for 1 Green one instead of just fighting Dragonfly or exploring the Ruins, then That’s one of the Biggest Waste of items Ever 💀
Varg farms:
@ yeah I guess That Too, but the Point is that it’s a Scam to waste like 20 Red gems for 1 Deconstruction Staff or Amulet, You can just create Life Giving Amulets instead, and by Then you Basically Already Won the Game so there’s probably no Point
Slasher when 10k:
1 goes to the moon
2 op elon build
3 throws 90k more subs at slasher
4 the wilson theory was real
About the pengul thing, tallbirds also drop normal meat, depsite being obviously made out of monster meat, and so does AG even though he is fully corrupted by nightmare fuel, its simply just a game design choice which i doubt has any lore significance.
I think it's probable that tall birds are not of monster meat in cannon
i cant believe wormwood was the bay harbour butcher
Or that the rabbit king is one of Them
lets go another 40 minute long dont starve theory 😍
I have a theory that purple is focus and space,Blue is Cold and clarity, Red is heat and life, Orange is Temporal displacement, yellow is light refraction, Green is matter conversion
I was thinking, could the Lunar and Shadow energy be two sides of the same coin? That's why the pengull drops monster meat and transformations happen in even shadow aligned mobs?
Edit: Glommer, a lunar Aligned mob, drops Monster meat
It's possible that there are a lot more of "Them" than just the two who are most visible.
@AeyakS yea, and some of them might be using the same powers in different styles if you understand what I mean
What if "Them" refers to the multiple gods who do this stuff, like the Gnaw which destroyed and cursed the gorge, or the ones who stole the throne from pugna and trapped him, or Alter and the other god from the ancient portal depicted on the murals
(I haven't researched dst lore much so maybe this is completely unintelligible)
When the lunar plants are sus
My question is: why is Alter motivated to change and mutate the creatures and creations of the Constant in the first place? And if this is something that Alter (and its Gestalts) does, why is there no life on the surface of the moon? The moon is barren and dead -- something that makes me think that Alter is extremely jealous of the creations that Constant has created, specifically life.
About Leafy Meat, it's curious how everyone despises it and yet it restores sanity, contrary to monster meat which is as repugnant and actually makes you lose sanity. On the one hand, I understand that the combo meat/veggie is more appetizing than meat/hair, but on the other, and in the context of being lunar aligned, does it mean it induces lunacy?
This is extremely niece but relates to two points you make. The reason why lack of sleep will eventually kill you is because your body will be unable to keep up with your bodys lack of antioxidants.
In the process of things rotting, part of the process is oxidation which excells rotting and leads to a unpleasant smell in organic matter.
Maybe the gastalts are rapidly oxidizing the things they interact with. Stripping you of the recources your body needs forcing you to collapse and making things rot at excellerated speed.
I am not very knowledgeable about either of these but i just saw the connection
Also having too much oxygen in you can make you hallucinate
Great thoeory, but one thing I would like to point out is that Wormwood resembels Ancient herald a bit, mainly the head shape. So what if Wormwood was sent as Alters anwser to Ancient Herald?
I'm not entirely sure whether or not you count seasonal events as cannon, but in the year of the carrat, Charlie summons shadow carrats whenever you start a Carrat race without enough players. This is the most direct example of a sentient plant being completely shadow aligned. Then again it is an event so if you don't count it that is totally fair.
I think wormwood got his name from the vine that grew around the gem. It was a woody vine that slithered to the gem, worm-wood.
I like your thory but what about butterfly 🦋 & moth 🦋 can be planted wigfrid refuse to eat butterfly 🦋 or moth 🦋 I think count ask a plant? 🪴
The butterflies are actually plants too youre correct. One of the characters: maxwell I think, openly rats them out by stating that they are actually floating mobile flowers. Though I don't think they needed to be mentioned in this theory since there's no nightmare variant, thus no real contention
@@slasher3428 thank you for responding my comments you're probably right I guess it doesn't count as a nightmare saying but the moth count as a Luna thing on the ether hand don't do anything to grow a moon trees anyway thanks 😉 😊 😀
@@slasher3428 if the butterflies are flying plants and you can use them to plant flowers are the evil flowers technically not nightmare variants of butterflies but after they are planted?
Wormwood kinda resembles the Green Gem items in his abilities, like creating crops, plants, and animals w/ Cultivator, or in other words, “Constructing”, and the Bramble items and his Guardian skills mainly being used for defense/offense, or in other words “Deconstructing” enemies.
Mandrakes are shadow aligned.
Change my mind in the comments.
Also, we should talk about the sun.
Everyone is missing out the sun's existence. And has also evident effects on both lunar and shadow sides.
Have a good day yall
Wait so, Alter can make both plants AND zombies? Does this make Wagstaff Dont Starve Crazy Dave?
You have no idea how hyped I am to see this video!
Also, honestly, I would enjoy just about any theory video you feel like making. Your voice and the way you construct these videos is just so satisfying and fun :)
Look, Alter just wants a garden. A live one.
Finally more theories from the best dst youtuber
You say there's no expression of Nightmare fuel carrots, around the 5 minute mark. Take a closer look at the rabbit hutch.
How about monkeytails? The WX-78 quote is likely a joke, but the origins of them may actually mean that they're some kind of plant animal hybrid as well.
I'm so excited for the day bird theory drops.
I feel like alter and shadows are to sides of the "THEM" coin. 2 eldrich gods fighting for influence
You might have covered this in the video, still haven't finished. But treeguard idols crafted by Woodie, need nightmare fuel. So, treeuards, lumpy treeguards, and poison birchnuts are all shadow-y to some degree
Although that's one argument, I would say that's not exactly it. Think about it, nightmare fuel can do almost ANYTHING. It can create matter, energy, and life; it's been used this way by the survivors and the Ancients.
Moon energy can do almost none of those things. Instead of being capable of creating life, it is only capable of manipulating it. Instead of being able to create energy, it is only able to steal or change energy like how polar lights absorb heat from the environment to produce freezing effect.
The moon is so interested and jealous of living creatures on the constant, but its own world is barren and lifeless. As it turns its focus towards the constant after the lunar siphonator event, it begins creating rifts in an effort to invade and corrupt the world.
All that to say: the moon is not the opposite of the shadows. If it was, it would be equally powerful, but it's just not. To do magic, it has to pervert and change the creations of the Constant, and hence it's really not surprising that the plant life can have elements of both lunar and shadow.
Lunar enemies try to atack shadow enemies, the idol is making an "shadow smell" that atracts the tree guard due to the mix of shadow and wood smell
@contrapartidagames532 Woodie's quote implies that you're luring treeguards bot creating them. But there's also the fact that nightmare fuel/shadows aren't physical (can't get wet even after that was updated) so making a smell is weird. Also the connections made in this video
Note: Roses and flowers are smells resulting due to Charlie, not the shadows
I always felt that everything plant related is just under a teeny bit of the lunar influence, as much as the full moon cycle allows pretty much, even though some non plant creatures are still somewhat influenced, mostly mutations of sorts
Then how the caves have NO lunar influence and then the shadow influence that was eventually unleashed, and also shadows maybe influencing creatures as well.
oh but how certain surface things getting more lunar influence in certain conditions making things more prominent
edit: yeah explaining the combinations of creatures
would be funny if next year a third god drops and it's straight up just the sun
Mfw the funny don't starve meme guy becomes my favorite video essayist
Keep the don't starve theory's coming😊
great theory. Also, god that ending got me, I was zoned out reading the comments and I just hear THAT all of a sudden & I look up to see that scene. If I hadn't covered my mouth I would've woke up everybody in the apartment building, I was not prepared for that
Die Aporkalibs ist ja so zu sagen eine Sonnenfinsternis, eine Dämmerung, eine Mischung aus Licht- und Schatten-Magie
So calming, love watching these even if I don’t play dst much anymore. 10/10
I personally feel like Wormwood is, in a way, the Lunar version of Maxwell.
Like a Scion, Harbinger or Herald of Alter.
You should make a theory of the birds in don't starve like vulters, tall birds and that one big ass bird in hamlet
Watch my pig theory, I briefly touch on an idea of that(Though I may come back to it in its own theory some time in the future)
I was scrolling on my phone, saw this video, and took it as a spiritual message from earth to get out of bed and play dst while this played in the background, thanks slasher
Some interesting facts which may be thrilling to know. btw love your vids!! ;) I think shadow aligned and moon aligned deities in dst are based on the color systems in light and physical pigment or which you could translate to shadows. If you mix all primary light colors you get white, symbolizing altar (blue) the red hamlet moon and wormwood in green, who could've come down from earth but being like a heavenly moon angel? well and the shadow god charly is conversing with is red and the ancient murals show a yellow one, leaving the place of dark blue for charlie. maybe after a story line of her killing altar and splitting in two? well that's my shizophrenic prophesy rant 'bout it. Jokes aside 2 sides both based on the color theories of light and "darkness" (pigments). message me if you want some more infos on color theory and how it aligns with the lore best of love
I really enjoy the lore of Don't Starve and I think your theory is spot on! Great job on the video ❤
The red light part does not feel entirely accurate. Sunlight contains all spectrums of light, including red. In my opinion, the difference between the experiment and the aporkalypse is the intensity of light. The eclipse reduces the overall intensity of light, the red colour simply becoming more visible presumably because it reflects off of the moon surface the best, or something similar (I did not major in optics). Perhaps it is the result of the clouds and mist filtering out other light spectrums.
That is, unless the aporkalypse, or the moon itself changes the properties of sunlight, intensifying the red rays and not just reducing the intensity of all others.
Oh, so, the reason that the aporkalypse is heavily affected by shadows and is not fully lunar energy is because the moon can only exert its nature by being free of the Constant's shadow whilst in orbit. However, what happens during a lunar eclipse, such as the Aporkalypse, is that the planet is casting its shadow entirely on the moon. In the case of the constant, this gives the shadows total control over the moon's magic, letting lunar hell reign under shadow's thumb.
32:57 - "Branch"
hey @slash 342, you forgot to add this video to your "Dont Starve Theories" playlist
ANOTHER FUCKING THEORY LET'S GOOOOOO
That moon thing sounds really dangerous, I think we must cut our support for "Them"
You are incredibly based, doing a dst theory while having bo2 music in the background, bro really knows what's up
Hollow knight fungal wastes music fits so perfectly for talking about plants
First time i subscribed when asked, amazing vid, this one will get you to 100k real soon
Me enjoying another long form content video from my favorite meme lord: ☺
Alter scheint neben seiner Verbindung zu Pflanzen auch eine Verbindung zu Kristallen (Glas) zu haben, vielleicht eine Art Kristallpflanze?
Me: Oh cool, new DST theory!
slasher: Okay, how about we talk about BIOLOGY
I love these kinds of videos
best theory vids ive seen in a while!
Alter put your crystals away Alter, I'm not fighting the celestial champion right now
Someone at klei who put a little thought to the don't starve world: Finally someone is seeing this!
i love your dst content
i watched this whole thing planning for it to be background music just to forget to play a game
*Y u m m e r s*
Yooo new theory! Love your vids Slasher!
Love the Black Ops 2 theme at 22:07. Also love Hollow Knight music sprinkled in his videos
And when u think wormwood has a skeleton despite being a plant
My best guess for the Moonguins is that they turned before or at the same time as becoming Moonlit. Not the best lore knower, but as mentioned we don't see them turn like some of the others.
YIPPEE! Planty Best Friend Buddie Boy Video!!!
It took me 8 hours to find this video, forgive me slasher for I have sinned.
Plant.
I love these theory videos and how they make me bust.
finally a lore video worth watching
Wait i tought this video is older, i accidentaly found it as soon as it released
I hope to see a age of empires historical comparation
Man felt like your last theory vid was years ago!
Thank for the vid I like the waoo woosh illumination effects
Wormwood is my main so I had to wach
Don't be fool Slasher is a member of Them and his plans is to purge moleworm from the constant
Since the gestalts induce decay to use the dead boss / varg bodies does that make them related to Nurgle?
You cooked so hard with this one
Alter is a nice guy helping the survivor comunity!
Mostly
Putting up this comment to help promote this vid with the algorithm, love all of these so much 💪
My biggest question is why wagstaff gives us lunar affinities not altar
What if not all the ancients got corrupted leave and went to find a new home before the calamity ruin and turn the others into shadows creatures
Wait, doesn't the shadows also poses dead creatures whith those mask that can even posses humans
Theory time my beloved
LESGOO NEW SLASHER LORE VIDEO
Well so far it's lost wendy to the shadows
This is truly a slasher
Ah, a new schizophrenic lore video! I love these!
Babe wake up a new theory just drop!