The TRUTH About POD Filters: Do You Really Need One?
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Welcome to Scooter Street! In this video, Brad is here to uncover the truth about POD filters and whether you really need one for your 50cc scooter. He dives deep into what a POD filter does, how it differs from a factory airbox, and the potential performance benefits or drawbacks.
We reveal the limitations of a factory airbox and explain how adding airbox stuffers can increase the airflow. We also caution against installing a POD filter on a stock or mildly modified scooter as it can lead to tuning difficulties and reduced power.
For those with a race setup, Brad recommends the Malossi E5 and E13 POD filters, which offer excellent airflow and in the case of the E5 has an optional cover.
Join the conversation and leave your questions or comments below. Brad and the Scooter Street team are here to help you make informed decisions about your scooter upgrades. Don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more informative videos like this one. Get ready to take your scooter tuning knowledge to the next level!
CHAPTERS:
00:02 - Introduction and topic of the video: Pod filters and their performance benefits for scooters
00:18 - Explanation of scooter tuning and the dependence on the scooter's setup
00:29 - Comparison between factory air boxes and pod filters
01:18 - The significance of increased volume of air for performance tuning
02:09 - The impact of pod filters on performance, particularly for 70cc cylinder kits
03:34 - Potential problems and difficulties in tuning with pod filters
04:50 - The specific purpose of pod filters in racing setups
06:41 - The recommendation to not use pod filters on totally factory 50cc scooters
07:38 - The need for adjustments in pilot and main jet tuning when using pod filters
08:54 - Recommended starting points for adjusting pilot and main jets
09:58 - Recommended pod filter brands, including the Malossi E5 and E13
10:49 - Conclusion
Great vid. I put a pod on my stock bws100 and sounded like mud.
Now reverting back to stock.
Thanks P2DAPIPE👍 Pod will work well with the right approach but sometime this is not street friendly.
I've not had problems putting pod filters on my stock 50cc's, just gotta have a humongous main jet and it's all fine. Adds fuel consumption though, but having the pod filter makes the jetting much easier since it's easier to remove a pod filter than a stock filter on my scooter since the carb is hidden behind the frame.
What would you say it the % increase in the scooter performance once the POD is fitted?
Riding all year round. And living in a country that sees a fair bit of the set stuff. Pod filters are a no go.
I did use one on my weekend toy though. Mainly because the carb was too big for the air box! 😉
Does it also apply to stock 100cc bikes? My original airbox is gone, should I buy a kartbox or a pod filter?
Yes. Try the Pod , they work well if the other parts of the engine are also upgraded.
Thank you so much. This video open my eyes 😅. Thank you. Know have a oem air box for install…
Do most pod filters give the same amount of air? Does my polini steel one give the same amount as malossi e5? The one with the plastic you can take off.
They all different are and volume.
would you be interested in making a video or series on CVT tuning, clutch, rollers, shimming etc
Alwya interetsed in any suggestions, we do have several of these CVT and cluthc vids, but have not touched on shimming YET.
Late comment but whats your opinion on the malossi e5 pod filter cover affecting airflow? Does it restrict the airflow at all to make tuning easier or is it solely to keep grime and dust out the filter?
It does reduce air flow and protects against particles and water to some extent. Tuning will change when fitted. You may be able to run a smaller carby and jet down.
Hey mate what do you reckon on these list of bolt on parts on a stock Piaggio zip 2t: malossi red high flow air filter, vforce3 reed block, multivar 2000 and 6mm/58 main jet.
A good place to start. Cut the valve from the list and get an exhaust and a clutch.
Hi mate iv just put a Mallossi cast iron kit on my lads piaggio typhoon 2011 (one of the first year mortard) it’s running a yasuni r exhaust with Malossi red insert in air box just wondering what best main jet size you would recommend? Currently put an 82 ? Thanks
Trial and testing is the only way to answer, if too lean go up, if too rich jet down. start at 90 and then adjust accordingly.
What do you think about a motoforce phbg replica 21mm carb, the red one.
I want to put a 70cc kit on my sr50 and i don t know what to choose between malossi sport, stage 6 streetrace and dr evo. I m going to use it on stock crankshaft
Motoforce PHBG, I have never used, if it is replica to the Dellorto then it is bloody good value. Buy the kit for the needles, pilot and main jet.
Stage6 Street race is good value, if it is in budget go for the next cylinder kit up.
I have a Suzuki Ax100 that I've been messing around with. Do you have any experience/advice about them???
I have no experience but they do look amazing. 98cc 2 stroke 4 speed air cooled.
@@scooterstreetau it's pretty quick in traffic. I bought it new in 2007.and have been tinkering/cafeing it a bit over the years. I've been debating putting a pod filter on it but it's been so reliable I'm worried I might botch it...
@@mattjones5817 would be a shame to damage the enigne if not tuned correctly to a POD filter, make sure you can get spare parts before heading in that direction, OR go for a Big Bore kit and POD and exhaust..
Hello, do you know where I can find the tubes for tune my airbox?
What tubes do you need?
Where do I get that air box? 2006 tgb key west. Everywhere I been looking out of stock. The one I had is busted
See our website under Aprilia SR50R parts. You could use any 50cc 2 stroke air box but you would need to tune the carby to suit the NEW capacity of the air box. This involves changing the main jet.
Is there any down side or risk, to adding one or two of the air stuffers in the stock SR50 airbox?
Always risk when modifying, the risk is performance gain😂.
We always pump on about setting the jet and tuning correctly so do the tuning and you will succeed🙌
Nice.imma keep it stock😊thank you Sir
Ok cool, all the best.
hello, I made a purchase through the website to pick up in the shop, but I do not know where they are located, where can I get the address? thanks.
Hi kdenaD, Once your order is ready you will be notified, I just checked and you were notified 9 minutes after the order🚀
I have the Aprilia sr50 with malossi clutch, springs and rollers, i added a filter and then i go full throttle it boggs down, is it because there is too much air?
Haha i have the same scooter and ya im like at 20% less power now
If you alter the air intake the balance will lean in favour of the air in turn less fuel less performance, you need a sweet ratio of both to get the best bang, so if you add air, balance it with more fuel but remember it has a limit so try with 20% of both and then make small changes to hone in on the best performance.
But my bike is almost stock and i had some problems, my dad bought a pod filter and instaled it (without me knowing) and it fixed the problem, it sounds cool and runs like its suposed to, its even a little faster then is was stock. only had to size upp once in carb jet, I have a AEROX 2014 2t
Nice work 👏
I can't seem to find those little stuffers online anywhere do you happen to have a link for them? The only ones I can find are 1 inch
Did yu see our website?
www.scooterstreet.com.au/product/malossi-airbox-pop-stuffer-for-increased-air-flow/
I live in the United States so I am trying to find them somewhere else
Try a Malossi retailer, or Malossi store online.@@davidyeary7697
I wish i could put a pod filter i had one on my Zip 2000 with SKR 125 2T engine. But those where the Illegal days, now i have a Original SKR with malossi 172 but with a license now i cant put Pod filter its way too loud i live near Amsterdam too so a big city like this cant drive with a pod filter mainly due to noice
The tube that goes from the back of the carb to the air filter tore....is there a cheap air filter and tube you can buy that will work.....my jets keep clogging...I have had to push the ruckus home 2 times in 2 weeks....that is not fun in 90s and high humidity.?
Tape and seal the tear , and order another tube as soon as possible.
@@scooterstreetau I wrapped it with duct tape...and bought a big can of gumout....that stuff always raises it from the ded.💣
@@nordland2235 👍
The one at 9:23 is a doppler powerfilter air system Right? Cuz i've looked for that thinking i can use that on my keeway hurricane 50 2T
Ofc 50cc it has a gianelli go exaust (GG) but with a limiter innit but is this good sounding and stuff can u inform me abt it
It is a Malossi E5 with cover.
@@scooterstreetau ohhh :( i thought it was a doppler powerfilter air system
@@THE_UNKNOWN_ARTIST27 we mention the brand and model of filter, but they must look very similar👍 Thanks for watching and comments.
@@scooterstreetau ofc it's alr dw Nice video anyways
@@THE_UNKNOWN_ARTIST27 🙌
how if you have stock 49cc and you just want it to look cool can u still use a powerfilter or poatfilter ?
Haha yes this will be COOL. Use thick foam on the POD filter and tune the carby tuit the new air flow, dont make too much air, use thick foam.
Bro, would be awesome if you could do a video on a stock piaggio zip and how to remove all the factory restrictions + basic mods/stages
Will do. I bought a Zip last week for the purpose of starting from scratch👍
@@scooterstreetau bro I bought a zip 3 days ago! I'm so amped for this. New sub from chch NZ mate!
Oklets go, get at it🎉🎉💥@@atwntennisclub
I have a 50cc peugeot and i installed it and now it starts but if i let got of the brake it stops running?? Any tips??
Go back to the original filter.
80cc turokit exhaust full malossi block should i cop?
Upgrade the carby and then, Yes.
do u know what the problem might be? my 2stroke runs poorly and stutters when its not warmed up but when it is warmed up it runs perfectly fine.
Check the choke function, and also the piston condition. then check the fuel system and air system.
@@scooterstreetau the piston looks fine, could it be that the pilot jet is too small and its running too lean
or maybe that the air filter is dirty
Did you do the first thing I mentioned? Choke.@@ants4193
I have a yamaha cygnus 3 gen should i upgrade to pod air filter and bigger exhaust
Yeah sure give it ago. Take car with the POD may need remapping the ECU.
There will be more power from the cylinder upgrade, but also more expense.
@@scooterstreetau oh so this is not something i can do like just bolt on and go um.... LoL
No.@@kennethcampingdiary1976
@@scooterstreetau damn that sucks lol thanks for the advise
Do the exhaust and trasmission parts.@@kennethcampingdiary1976
My main jet was 152 with 50cc and pod filter, then i changed my Zylinder to 70cc sport and my filter to a doppler Venturi, and now i only need 126 wtf is there something wrong with my pod filter or is such a high main jet number normal?
Btw i also have a sport exhaust ( tecnigas next r)
The jetting is reflective of the flow of air from the filter. So the more flow provided by the filter the carby will require a larger fuel supply to balance. I would say your around the money but may be saturating the optimal Vs efficiency of the cylinder.
I need some serious help with modifying a TnT Roma 50cc I know nothing about mopeds I’m from New Zealand
Watch as many videos as possible and get in to it. See your other comment.
What about a Vespa gts 125 carb model I wanna buy the malossi cone filter for it
You could, measure the carby/air filter connection and buy one with the same dimension so it can be fitted easily. Don't forget to jet, spring and roll.
@@scooterstreetau oh ok thanks could you possibly do a video on it there’s no videos on it at all you will be the first
We dont have GTS 125 in Australia.@@OMZ_530
@@scooterstreetau oh ok
Love your vids and love the parts shop. Ive got a malossi 70cc kit for typhoon euro 2, stock box, malossi variator (running weights and white spring from kit) & yellow clutch springs my top speed is 80 and wondering if top speed is a new 2nd gear (sprocket?) ratio change. 75 MJ, 35 PJ at top end or mid speed with full throttle or around 95% it taps out and skips or cuts for few rpms until i un-rev and gas it.
Im wondering if i need more oil or needle change, possibly PJ change? I also thought malossi CDI?
Sorry for long, TIA for anyone that can help.
Thank you so much🙌 You did not mention an exhuast, do you have? Gear up will increase the top speed, it can reduce the acceleration but that is overcome with varaitor and Trans tuning. You need to iron out that 95% issue which will be carb related. Do a trial of jetting while the engine is warm, ride the same path on each run and increase the main jet first until it become spluttery and the carry out a small increment of jet sie reductions until the carburettion start to clear and crispens. Run middle clip on needle, once the crispiness is there trial a leaner and a richer needle position.
Legendary, I have a gianelli extra pipe, itialian import. Took my 50cc from 55 to 65km/h without any other tune.
My jets are incremental, 70,72,75,78,80,82. The 75 feels like it's close but not perfect, and 78 is too much at top, but may need more of a flogging to clear it up. My a22 needle has always been on notch 1 (leanest) and haven't had issues but a middle notch reset would be wise for tunes, then to adjust once carb tuned?
@@scooterstreetauI appreciate the reply very much, me and my older brother are in the garage all the time watching your vids helping us tune and get the malossi 70cc ready for a backyard drag vs a CT90 postie, game on 🛵🛵
Thanks so much👍. Your project😂sounds like a heap of fun@@grog4311
Try a different needle, A16 from memory.@@grog4311
Thx for education 😊
It's our pleasure to share our information👍 Thank you for watching.
I have a 50cc airbox on my 172cc because it looks better . but it sounds like an exhaust leak 😅 maybe is to restrictive as it feels a bit dead on top .
You could try to open it up with some holes but remeber to equalize it with more fuel too.
The reason air boxes are often much better than pods is because they are drawing still air from inside the chamber that is far less turbulent than a pod. They also often draw in cooler air than what a pod can - do less dense too.
This video is all conjecture without a dyno chart showing a tuned engine runs poorer on a stock air box.
Yes, only our opinion from our experiences with Pods and boxes.
I bought a pod filter for my honda 50cc 2 stroke scooter
And the thing is it starts and it gives gas and evrything but when I out it on road it aint moving its probabbly bc it gets too much air
Yes, too much air, Dangerous for engine health.
Great vid as always I got a zip with a leovince tt on it and I took off the filter completely and took off the main jet completely wanted to see how it runs, needless to say nobody try it ever 🤕
No jet? What were you thinking would happen lol?
This is a great way to learn, so thanks for taking the bullet for all of us, we will not try this😆😆
@@grog4311 I wanted to see if max fuel + max air = more power I knew I had a 90% chance of failing but it was something
Can you do some 4t videos please 😊
Which make Model or Subject in particular?
@@scooterstreetau gilera runner 125 4 stroke if u can as I have just bought one
@@scooterstreetau thank you for getting back to me so quickly
We rarely see these in Australia. We did a project over 15 years ago on one of these and it worked out very well but was and exensive fit out.@@projectclark123
@scooterstreetau ok do u no what u did
I gotta disagree with you. I have never had any problems tuning weak setups with pod filters. In fact, my first own build had a pod filter and even without any experience and just by reading into the topic i had the setup up and running like a charme within a day. The main downside imo is that the fuel consumption is too bad for riding a pod filter on a commuter/daily.
Those who do as you did and stick with the long term tuning will be succesful in the outcome. Researching the topic and have the equipment to tune is what it is all about. The detail will have an effect on the success too, was it a used scooter, did it have low kms, did it have any underlying issues, was it stock to start? Well done👍
I have them on all my bikes and they ran better just by instilling it no tune needet
Take care with this approach, Very happy it worked for you👍