I love these combination races of older cars. Sorry you guys get comments from people not understanding that elevation, temperature and the road itself impacts quarter mile times. Keep up with the great videos. I enjoy watching them.
C5 v mustang drag race @2:54 C5 v mustang roll race @5:47 C6 v mustang drag race 1 @8:43 C6 v mustang drag race 2 @10:39 C6 v mustang roll race @12:52 Results chart @14:55
The first time i drove a 5.0 i was blown away by the top end speed and power. Ive always been into mustang but the older ones always died out around 80mph. The 5.0 keeps pulling hard even past 120.
2013-14 automatic Mustangs have FULL manual mode. Either floor it in Drive right before saying “Go” or put the transmission in Sport mode, use +/- to get in the right gear, then floor it on “Go” and put it in Drive right after, so the car can shift for you. It’s better than manually shifting the automatic because of the delay after you press the + button, unless you’re very familiar with it and know exactly when to press the + without shifting early or hitting the rev limiter. The roll race with the C6 should be much closer.
@@toomanyunlearned1 well yea more power and a much lighter chassis, the LS3 is still a potent platform. A batter comparison is the Camaro matching year but the S197 Mustang punches above its weight class.
@@mrvwbug4423 mod for mod there isn't an LS on the planet that competes with the coyote. Tons of vids on here of people who took different ls engines and a coyote and did mod for mod upgrades. Headers, e85, cobra jet with cams coyote obliterates LS2/LS3 with heads, cam, headers, intake and e85 especially if the 10 speed is involved.
@@nonebp7182there's always that one mustang fanboy who declares to have more knowledge than everyone else lmao guy I've seen lots of coyotes grenade in real life not just videos lol and when gm moved away from pushrods they showed Ford how to do it
I Know I paid to much but had to replace my 04 f150 because the frame was starting to rot. The 5.4 was a great engine. 100,000miles and the only thing I did to it was change oil every 3000 and air filter. When I traded it they couldn't believe how good it ran. My 22 is a XLT crew cab with a 6.5 box. I ordered one the way I wanted it with some extras. The list was about $54,000. With my trade and incentives I paid 48,000 with tax. It hurt but wasn't as bad as ones I see listed. I ordered it from a small dealership and they have a good reputation.
Corvette is Chevys high end muscle car. Its racing a basic mustang gt. A fair race would be a Corvette racing the same year shelby gt350 or 500. Or some other higher priced mustang. A basic mustang gt is to compete with camaro from Chevy.
The 05-09 looked better. It had a true retro look. They ruined the rear on the 2010+ giving the cars a squish rear look and using that awful black plastic cladding on them.
There's really not that much of a gap. There's something seriously wrong with that C5 corvette, because it's struggled against an L98 C4 vette in other videos. The LS engine gets really pissy about spark knock and colorado gas is a crime against performance, so I suspect that a LOT timing is being pulled.
I love this car, I bought the 2000 c5 magnetic red with the 3.15 performance rear end with automatic transmission. 90,000 miles Which is good for South Texas because most of them have well over 150,000 miles down here and it was the height of Bidenomics price jack up program. So I paid $15,000 out the door delivered. I really wanted one with 50,000 miles but I love this car because it’s in excellent condition so I added a touchscreen w/navigation and led bulbs. I love this car
I think it would be interesting to see some minor work done to the C5 and how much each steps improves, tune up and then a tune followed by a new rear gearing and some transmission work to make it more snappy, etc. Just some basic things mot people could easily do in their garage or at a tuners shop.
I put 143k miles on my 08 ls3 z51 manual and it never broke down throughout the 143K ..great car without question and only sold it b/c my c8 z51 came in. Fun video. Thanks
Really enjoyed the video. My favorite thing about these races are the cars are stock. I have an 07 Mustang Gt and a 98 C5. I would love to see how they compare. The C5 did very well imo, especially considering the power difference. I feel the C6 had more to give though. Great video!
Thank you for shifting the C5 manually Tommy. You’re reading and listening to the comments. I’m also liking this best bang for your buck style of car content you guys are doing.
Lol 2014 mustang vs a 2006 c6 and a 1999 c5. Corvettes are beasts. And the mustang barely beats them and loses too. Put a 2014 vette against a 2006 and 1999 mustang and it will dominate/ smoke them
After owning 3 mustangs, 2 camaros and a GTO(2006, mt) i think the coyote is a stout motor but id have to side with ease and cost to mod. Gotta build a Ford, but assemble a chevy.
Need to have the Mustang in the right gear on the roll races. Not even a fair matchup if you have one car in the right gear and the other just flooring it in drive.
@@sstevocamaro With most automatics there is a manual mode. In my G8 if I’m doing a roll race I’ll slap it to manual, downshift to correct gear, stomp on it, and as I’m going I’ll slap it back into normal mode so it can shift for me since upshifting has a delay if I were to do it myself.
Those ls1 are no joke they are definitely ahead of time my favorite motor till this day I had a 98 trans am and it was fast but I have respect for the coyote they are nasty it was a big jump from the 05/10 gt love these videos
Not crazy that the C6 LS2/Mustang were pretty much neck and neck . They ran similiar times when brand new . Mustang ran 12.7-12.8@112 . C6 LS2 usually ran a 12.6-12.7@112-113
Huge bang for the buck, that's why i went with a 2011 C6 Grand Sport and Procharged it, cammed, LT headers and straight exhaust, added e85 support, upgraded the fuel system, bigass intercooler, pfadt race suspension, 345mm Toyo R888R's on the rear and 285's on the front, and more. End result is 1,100 hp on E85, 900 on 93 octane. Car was $33k when I got it, had some mods already. Added 5k or so more. Lots of performance for under 50k. Just got a 2020 Mustang GT Premium PP1, races aren't even close. Still fun though, and with the magneride the GT doesn't annihilate my spine like the C6 GS + Pfadt race suspension. Carrollton, Texas roads suck.
Boost the mustang and give it a fuel system with e85 and it'll be a totally different outcome. You're comparing a built boosted vette against a stock 5.0 lol
@midnight347 1100 at the crank. Look up some LS tests that Engine Masters did. After gapping the rings, they got one up to 1500 crank hp, and it lived. You just gotta monitor it and make sure you aren't going too lean, EGT's too hot, timing too high, don't run it too hot, and always watch the tune. Some people just turn up the boost and send it. With it that close to the power limit, you can't do it and expect it to survive. Need to take a scientific approach and do it properly. I do know someone who ran 1100 rwhp on a stock block, C6 LS3, if I recall correctly it lasted him almost a year. I need to look up that guy again, he was in the Dallas area like me. Wonder what insanity he's running now days.
@midnight347 That is the plan. Twin turbos, E85, long tube headers, and adjustable boost controller, etc. Similar to what RacerX did with his. Then I get to race the wife at the track. I hope, anyway. She's from Thailand, where everything over 3 liters is considered a supercar and is scared to drive anything fast or expensive. I figure once she tries it, she'll like it, let's see. Winter now in Texas, but should warm up soon and will see how it goes.
The Gen 2 S550 mustangs were actually a little slower than the s197 Gen 1 from the factory due to the weight gain . They ran 12.8-13.0 depending on transmission .
@carltongray3302 they were pretty close to the same ecsp from a roll the s550 had little more power but little more weight it offset. The irs is harder to launch so the s197 has the advantage from a dig.
Really a nice video; great to see these older American cars in action. Following up on Tommy's handling point how about setting up a track meeting with Paul to really see the full performance dimensions and differences?
Great fun! You’re making me feel good about my decision to keep my garage queen 6sp manual 2013 GT ragtop! The body lines say Mustang’s Greatest Hits, the color is Grabber Blue, and I’ve put every one of its 62,000 miles on it since new. Your 5.0 is trapping about right for an auto plus the heat and altitude. People who could hit third with the mt-82 trapped their cars in the 109-111 range bone stock and closer to sea level. I really thought the LS2 was going to slay the Coyote, they all put up a good show! So I mentioned keep vs sell…Ford says my eruption green two door Bronco Outer Banks Lux pkg is scheduled Aug 22…and my garage holds two cars. Looks like the F150 is going to get a new owner. The Mustang stays!
Driver mod I own a ls2 2007 corvette 6 speed auto and I walk 6 speed 2017 5.0 and scat also 2018 ss and he has manual which makes the car faster for sure driver mod lol
Nothing against Tom’s driving. It takes some practice on each individual manual car, unlike an auto where you just hit the gas and go. Power shifting would help but it is a little hard on the tranny. Great vid guys.
Fun video. Cool cars, all. I suspect if you learned the shift points for each gear on the C6, and got your shifts quicker, it would have come out on top. Honestly though, I am just pleased to see young adults that can drive manual at all. Both my children can. Keep having fun. Looking forward to future videos. This is the first of your's that I have encountered. Will check out some others.
Crazy how much elevation slows motors down. Im at 1000 ft above sea level. My wife drives a 2018 camaro RS 3.6. On my draggy in the 1/4 i run 13.6 at 105 mph. I also ride bikes and snowmobiles iv ridden im the rockies at high elevation snowmobiles iv felt the power loss climbing mountains just blows my mind. Why i love my turbo sleds and cars dont lose power like natural aspirated engines. Great stuff Thanks for the entertainment
The cool thing is the C4 ZR-1 that you tested would have beaten both the C6 and the mustang by quite a bit. Shows how fast the ZR1 was back in the day.
I have an '07 c6 z51. I like 'em all. I can appreciate any of them. No need for haters. We like what we like. I always enjoy unmodid races. There are too many variables when mods are done. Just have fun and be safe
That auto really stuffed the C5. I ran consistent 13.8's with a manual car at 4400 feet elevation with a 120k miles still on the factory clutch and factory suspension that was in terrible shape. My tires were brand new Firestone Firehawk indy 500's. Yes it was a track but it was not remotely sticky.
Pops should've been manually shifting that 5.0 since the torque curve is so flat in the ls. Too bad the cars weren't all manual since they'd all be 6spd, the autos were the big variable here 🧐 My son has the 5.0 with boss 302 intake,3" ford racing exhaust and a tune. It's a trac- pac so gears are 3.73 and it's pretty impressive 😁
@@_Bishopton oh that’s my fault I thought because it was an automatic that he was in like 3rd or 4th & that’s what he started in because they shift early for like gas mileage & shit like that. I didn’t know. Thanks for the insight man!!
I really like the idea of seeing a C5, but damn.. It really irks me that you guys bought one of the slowest damn C5 Vette’s they made… 2.73 gear automatic with the early power plant. There’s a massive difference between yours and a later manual transmission cars. There’s even a huge difference between yours and a later automatic with the 3.15 gears.
I bought a 2005 C6 convertible Z51 package and love the car...not as fast as the C7s or C8s but as you mentioned for the money I get a fun car with great performance
I had a friend when I was a teenager with an eagle talon. All wheel drive with the Mitsubishi engine some mods of course turbo I believe it had inner coolers not a super gear head and this was like 20 years ago but he beat the pants off vetts and a lot of other cars. After that the vetts we’re I don’t know lack luster to me burn out machines. Only thing I seen that guy lose to was a Camaro iroc z that was probably more modded then my friend tuner. The all wheel difference didn’t matter that day. I will never forget looking over at him and being like dam Danny that Camaro beat you pretty good and it sounded so much cooler doing it lol
Too bad all 3 weren't stick shift to compare but then you run into the issue of the driver being the deciding factor in shifting the vehicle correctly. Ya have some things to learn on shifting a performance vehicle Tobby, those shifts can run about as fast as an automatic if you time your clutch work perfectly with your gear shift. Great prices on them though, nice finds.
We have a C6 Z06 and 13 Boss. This video made me chuckle, as I feel as fortunate as you two. Different drive styles, but amazing car experience's. The 60's are back, but for how long? Manufacturer's are headed electric. Might be a great time to scoop up these affordable cars, before you can't find one. ? Father & son, doesn't get any better :-)
@@watchreport no I understand that. But in my my mind... The price difference between the ls3 and ls2 Vette isn't crazy, so If I'm spending the money, I would aim for the better platform
C5 z06 running 15 is so slow but hot and high does that Back when my fox was stock I was running 14.0s at 3,000 feet. But also got gapped by a 2014 mustang
When I traded in my 2014 for the 15 I later regretted it, the 2014 felt lighter and the steering was more direct , going 20×10 in the rear eliminated most if any wheel hop in my opinion.
Speaking of 1999....I watched a few C5s turn mid 15s at Bandimere like that stock with the mentioned A4. Most of the F-bodys ran quicker "stock" with a 6 speed and 3.42.
As a Ford guy who worked on the Coyote engine development team, I loved this video!
Did you really work on the coyote? I'm fanboying on you!!
It must feel good to see the efficiency of the 5.0 coyote compared to 6.0 engine
2014 mustang racing a 1999 vette. get a 1999 mustang to race it.Or get a 2014 corvette to race it.
Same yr vette as the mustang wouldn't be no race vette would run off and leave the mustang be like my 16 ss lt1 would smoke the 14 gt mustang 5.0
as a dude fixing my ls in the driveway i appriciate not owning a coyote
I love these combination races of older cars. Sorry you guys get comments from people not understanding that elevation, temperature and the road itself impacts quarter mile times. Keep up with the great videos. I enjoy watching them.
Both Corvettes have high rear gear ratios, that's why they suck out of the hole. But they do better from a roll.
I love watching old factory vs factory drag races.
I'm usually not into these types of cars but stayed for the TFL races, seems like you guys have a fun time at work when you race.
These are the best cars ever ya noob
I enjoyed the father son bond 👍
Hmmm gamesmanship 🤔
This father -son drag races should be the next series! This was fun
C5 v mustang drag race @2:54
C5 v mustang roll race @5:47
C6 v mustang drag race 1 @8:43
C6 v mustang drag race 2 @10:39
C6 v mustang roll race @12:52
Results chart @14:55
Thanks❤
The first time i drove a 5.0 i was blown away by the top end speed and power. Ive always been into mustang but the older ones always died out around 80mph. The 5.0 keeps pulling hard even past 120.
I owned a 1988 Ford mustang GT with a automatic the older 302 ho ohv V8 did not die out after 80 mph.I used to drag race mine.
The 4.6 4 valve engine kept pulling pretty good at higher speeds too! Great video!
2013-14 automatic Mustangs have FULL manual mode. Either floor it in Drive right before saying “Go” or put the transmission in Sport mode, use +/- to get in the right gear, then floor it on “Go” and put it in Drive right after, so the car can shift for you. It’s better than manually shifting the automatic because of the delay after you press the + button, unless you’re very familiar with it and know exactly when to press the + without shifting early or hitting the rev limiter. The roll race with the C6 should be much closer.
No it wouldn’t the c6 will beat it all day. Ls3 c6 will own a 2023 mustang.
The 13 or 14 gt mustang will not run with my 16 ss lt1 Camaro
@@donaldkinder6716dont worry gen 2/3/4 all decimate your camaro.
@@MrWackenhutplenty of races on here that prove otherwise.
@@07slowbalt vice versa
Would be fun to give each car a $5K or so budget and re-do the tests.
That Corvette with just a cam would humiliate that Ford.
@@jasonperry7970😂
@@jasonperry7970Calm down 😂
@@jasonperry7970e85 and headers it would offset the cam plus more.
@@LightningWhippletill gonna lose, corvette has about a 450 lb advantage on that chunky pony.
Would be fun to see them do matching mods as they go along and continue doing these little races, coyotes really do love mods.
Corvette wins with real drivers. The ls3 closer to this year of mustang but still older would spank that stang bad
@@toomanyunlearned1 well yea more power and a much lighter chassis, the LS3 is still a potent platform. A batter comparison is the Camaro matching year but the S197 Mustang punches above its weight class.
LS motors REALLY wake up with mods too
@@mrvwbug4423 mod for mod there isn't an LS on the planet that competes with the coyote. Tons of vids on here of people who took different ls engines and a coyote and did mod for mod upgrades. Headers, e85, cobra jet with cams coyote obliterates LS2/LS3 with heads, cam, headers, intake and e85 especially if the 10 speed is involved.
@@nonebp7182there's always that one mustang fanboy who declares to have more knowledge than everyone else lmao guy I've seen lots of coyotes grenade in real life not just videos lol and when gm moved away from pushrods they showed Ford how to do it
The 5.0 is real world fast not just motor trend numbers
My 19 f150 with the Coyote and 10speed is dam fast I can’t imagine the new mustang 5.0 with 486 hp what that’s like
I have a 2022 f150 with the 5.0 and it is unreal how quick it is and the great sound.
@framkchambers5046 I want to replace my 04 FX4 5.4 but it won't die! And new trucks cost so much 😢
I Know I paid to much but had to replace my 04 f150 because the frame was starting to rot. The 5.4 was a great engine. 100,000miles and the only thing I did to it was change oil every 3000 and air filter. When I traded it they couldn't believe how good it ran. My 22 is a XLT crew cab with a 6.5 box. I ordered one the way I wanted it with some extras. The list was about $54,000. With my trade and incentives I paid 48,000 with tax. It hurt but wasn't as bad as ones I see listed. I ordered it from a small dealership and they have a good reputation.
@@Mr.Pennsylvanian. that's awesome! CC 6.5' 5.0 FX4 is a great spec. and is what I will get also when my FX4 dies!
Make a fair race here, the Mustang vs a 2008-13 Corvette with the 430hp LS3
It is fair! Coyote is smaller. If the Coyote was larger, the he gap would have been bigger
how about 2014 c7 corvette thats fair same year by by mustang
corvette is 400 pounds lighter, it's fair.
Corvette is Chevys high end muscle car. Its racing a basic mustang gt. A fair race would be a Corvette racing the same year shelby gt350 or 500. Or some other higher priced mustang. A basic mustang gt is to compete with camaro from Chevy.
@@thcscarface1The Corvette is not a muscle car lol. Its a sports car
Great video 👍👍 I chose the 2013 Mustang GT premium, 420hp , 6 speed manual transmission myself & ❤️ it ‼️
Dad taking his son to Gapplebees in that first race, lol. Also, dad pretty savage with the "You lost, that's what happened."
I love the drag races. These are great cars. So much fun. Thanks guys
Thanks for watching
Awesome video. 👍🏾
Im curious how that last roll race would have been if you shift the Mustang also.
A reminder that the Coyote Mustangs might not be Ferraris, but they’re real power.
Put it up against the c6 ls3 still older than that mustang and it’s nothing but smoke. Chevy is the real power
@@toomanyunlearned1wrong. Coyote Mustangs edge out LS3 Camaros which are closer in weight. Coyotes are also the king when it comes to adding boost.
@@toomanyunlearned1N/A builds go to chevy but coyotes do extremely well boosted.
There’s always someone, and here’s the someone.
@@AB-coyote You must not know what LS3's are doing with boost. They are both boost hungry.
I think a clean low miles 2013 2014 mustang GT will skyrocket in price around 2050. It’s got that old school mustang look.
The 05-09 looked better. It had a true retro look. They ruined the rear on the 2010+ giving the cars a squish rear look and using that awful black plastic cladding on them.
@@newfie-dean5803 I disagree. Also the 05-10 powertrains were ass.
I had an 02 C5 supercharged with a 6 sp manual. That car was extremely fast. There's a really big gap in performance between the auto and manual C5
There's really not that much of a gap. There's something seriously wrong with that C5 corvette, because it's struggled against an L98 C4 vette in other videos. The LS engine gets really pissy about spark knock and colorado gas is a crime against performance, so I suspect that a LOT timing is being pulled.
Yes my C6 is beast!!! LS2 baby!!
I love this car, I bought the 2000 c5 magnetic red with the 3.15 performance rear end with automatic transmission. 90,000 miles Which is good for South Texas because most of them have well over 150,000 miles down here and it was the height of Bidenomics price jack up program. So I paid $15,000 out the door delivered. I really wanted one with 50,000 miles but I love this car because it’s in excellent condition so I added a touchscreen w/navigation and led bulbs. I love this car
I'm hoping to buy a c5 this spring
I think it would be interesting to see some minor work done to the C5 and how much each steps improves, tune up and then a tune followed by a new rear gearing and some transmission work to make it more snappy, etc. Just some basic things mot people could easily do in their garage or at a tuners shop.
True. Except coyote v8s take mods so much better
All that to keep up with a 5.0?
@@ARXDMOS Yep. Just for giggles is all.
@@BruceLee-xn3nn Just for the fun of it, to see what it takes and how well is responds.
@@27Zangle im sure it would be fun, raced a C5 in mexico once that was bolt on and cam, thig was pretty wild
He is a slow shifter...would have made a difference.
I put 143k miles on my 08 ls3 z51 manual and it never broke down throughout the 143K ..great car without question and only sold it b/c my c8 z51 came in. Fun video. Thanks
Really enjoyed the video. My favorite thing about these races are the cars are stock. I have an 07 Mustang Gt and a 98 C5. I would love to see how they compare. The C5 did very well imo, especially considering the power difference. I feel the C6 had more to give though. Great video!
Thank you for shifting the C5 manually Tommy. You’re reading and listening to the comments.
I’m also liking this best bang for your buck style of car content you guys are doing.
Well to make it fair, tommy should have told his dad, so that he could have done the same, by manually shifting.
Drag radials and a tune got my old 6 speed s197 to 12.2 1/4 coyotes are super underrated even in mostly stock form
I was doing a 12.6 with my little 305 1986 Camaro
your dreaming 12.6 yea ok with a nitrous or a super charger
There’s fbodies going 10s with 400whp
A manual vs manual would be a more fair race. That 4 speed kills the corvette.
That auto kills the coyote too lol. Stock coyotes are quicker with a manual. Tuned the autos generally do better
@@elitedimegaming5290 huh? Yeah that’s wrong
@@mattmo8611 The 2014 Mustang GT covers the quarter mile drag strip in 12.5 seconds with the manual and 12.9 seconds with the automatic.
@@elitedimegaming5290the coyotes where made for automatic
The 4 speed does.not kill the c5 it's the 273 gears.
Lol 2014 mustang vs a 2006 c6 and a 1999 c5. Corvettes are beasts. And the mustang barely beats them and loses too. Put a 2014 vette against a 2006 and 1999 mustang and it will dominate/ smoke them
I think the red car wins.
you mean this car 🚗
🏎️ This one .
rip humor
Big facts lmao
@@Mr.Worf63 Exactly.
After owning 3 mustangs, 2 camaros and a GTO(2006, mt) i think the coyote is a stout motor but id have to side with ease and cost to mod. Gotta build a Ford, but assemble a chevy.
No Tesla will ever be as fun to drive as a big American v8 engine sports car like these corvettes and mustang.
Need to have the Mustang in the right gear on the roll races. Not even a fair matchup if you have one car in the right gear and the other just flooring it in drive.
The Mustang is an auto. Not much of a choice he had with “the right gear”
@@sstevocamaro you can put it in manual mode for correct gear...
@@sstevocamaro With most automatics there is a manual mode. In my G8 if I’m doing a roll race I’ll slap it to manual, downshift to correct gear, stomp on it, and as I’m going I’ll slap it back into normal mode so it can shift for me since upshifting has a delay if I were to do it myself.
Those ls1 are no joke they are definitely ahead of time my favorite motor till this day I had a 98 trans am and it was fast but I have respect for the coyote they are nasty it was a big jump from the 05/10 gt love these videos
The c5 is 500 lbs lighter with better aero. That has more to do with it that the huge power the ls1 makes lol.
It's not a LS1, it's a LS2
@@midnight347it's not a c5, it's a c6
Not crazy that the C6 LS2/Mustang were pretty much neck and neck . They ran similiar times when brand new . Mustang ran 12.7-12.8@112 . C6 LS2 usually ran a 12.6-12.7@112-113
9:26 Such a dad response 😂
The ls1 is a great engine... that 4l60e is a huge handicap in them along with 2.73s dead rear
Why wouldn't you put the mustang in a specific gear in the roll race? We have no idea what they would do against each other from a roll.🤷
This.
They didn’t. So what. The Mustang did just fine in all the races. Someone has to be super critical that just kills the fun.
@@brownwhale5518its just nice to see what the cars can do with optimum performance.
@@brownwhale5518 because they did on the C5. They shouldn't give one car an advantage over the others.
No exhaust on the Mustang yet??? C'mon TFL!!! The Mustang is begging for it.
Huge bang for the buck, that's why i went with a 2011 C6 Grand Sport and Procharged it, cammed, LT headers and straight exhaust, added e85 support, upgraded the fuel system, bigass intercooler, pfadt race suspension, 345mm Toyo R888R's on the rear and 285's on the front, and more. End result is 1,100 hp on E85, 900 on 93 octane. Car was $33k when I got it, had some mods already. Added 5k or so more. Lots of performance for under 50k. Just got a 2020 Mustang GT Premium PP1, races aren't even close. Still fun though, and with the magneride the GT doesn't annihilate my spine like the C6 GS + Pfadt race suspension. Carrollton, Texas roads suck.
Boost the mustang and give it a fuel system with e85 and it'll be a totally different outcome. You're comparing a built boosted vette against a stock 5.0 lol
1100 rwhp on e85? You have to have a built motor no way its pushing that power on a stock bottom end.
@midnight347 1100 at the crank. Look up some LS tests that Engine Masters did. After gapping the rings, they got one up to 1500 crank hp, and it lived. You just gotta monitor it and make sure you aren't going too lean, EGT's too hot, timing too high, don't run it too hot, and always watch the tune. Some people just turn up the boost and send it. With it that close to the power limit, you can't do it and expect it to survive. Need to take a scientific approach and do it properly. I do know someone who ran 1100 rwhp on a stock block, C6 LS3, if I recall correctly it lasted him almost a year. I need to look up that guy again, he was in the Dallas area like me. Wonder what insanity he's running now days.
@midnight347 That is the plan. Twin turbos, E85, long tube headers, and adjustable boost controller, etc. Similar to what RacerX did with his. Then I get to race the wife at the track. I hope, anyway. She's from Thailand, where everything over 3 liters is considered a supercar and is scared to drive anything fast or expensive. I figure once she tries it, she'll like it, let's see. Winter now in Texas, but should warm up soon and will see how it goes.
I just picked up a 17 coyote gen 2 mustang with the auto and paddle shifters. Would love to see how that woulda stacked up in that lineup.
So its clear mustangs can only be compared to the 20yr older corvettes, smh hilarious 😂
The Gen 2 S550 mustangs were actually a little slower than the s197 Gen 1 from the factory due to the weight gain . They ran 12.8-13.0 depending on transmission .
@carltongray3302 they were pretty close to the same ecsp from a roll the s550 had little more power but little more weight it offset. The irs is harder to launch so the s197 has the advantage from a dig.
Those 5.0s never cease to amaze.
Yes!!!! Without the downshift....the 99 is a different car.
Love this channels content…been following for many years and it never disappoints
Thanks for the kind comment
Really a nice video; great to see these older American cars in action. Following up on Tommy's handling point how about setting up a track meeting with Paul to really see the full performance dimensions and differences?
The 4l60e needs a higher stall torque converter, it becomes a whole other car.
Also need to dump that 2.73 rear…. Junk
@@kenm724 I still have mine and it got me into low 12s with just the converter and a drag radial.
Coyote is my favorite engine. The reliability and versatility is so understated.
The Chad C5 corvette that made it to 1 million miles on the original engine…
Versatility that’s laughable
Great fun! You’re making me feel good about my decision to keep my garage queen 6sp manual 2013 GT ragtop! The body lines say Mustang’s Greatest Hits, the color is Grabber Blue, and I’ve put every one of its 62,000 miles on it since new. Your 5.0 is trapping about right for an auto plus the heat and altitude. People who could hit third with the mt-82 trapped their cars in the 109-111 range bone stock and closer to sea level. I really thought the LS2 was going to slay the Coyote, they all put up a good show! So I mentioned keep vs sell…Ford says my eruption green two door Bronco Outer Banks Lux pkg is scheduled Aug 22…and my garage holds two cars. Looks like the F150 is going to get a new owner. The Mustang stays!
I'd love to buy your mustang 😂 A one owner with not many mods is like finding a 15 yr old virgin
Driver mod I own a ls2 2007 corvette 6 speed auto and I walk 6 speed 2017 5.0 and scat also 2018 ss and he has manual which makes the car faster for sure driver mod lol
Nothing against Tom’s driving. It takes some practice on each individual manual car, unlike an auto where you just hit the gas and go. Power shifting would help but it is a little hard on the tranny. Great vid guys.
Fun video. Cool cars, all. I suspect if you learned the shift points for each gear on the C6, and got your shifts quicker, it would have come out on top. Honestly though, I am just pleased to see young adults that can drive manual at all. Both my children can.
Keep having fun. Looking forward to future videos. This is the first of your's that I have encountered. Will check out some others.
Great video. Three performance cars for the price of a new full size, mid level truck with a few options. Sounds like a steal of a deal.
Did you put the Corvette in competition driving mode?? Never had a mustang that close to me
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Auto 1st gen Coyote with a tune and converter gain about a full second and 10 mph in the 1/4, been shown time and time again.
Crazy how much elevation slows motors down. Im at 1000 ft above sea level. My wife drives a 2018 camaro RS 3.6.
On my draggy in the 1/4 i run 13.6 at 105 mph.
I also ride bikes and snowmobiles iv ridden im the rockies at high elevation snowmobiles iv felt the power loss climbing mountains just blows my mind. Why i love my turbo sleds and cars dont lose power like natural aspirated engines.
Great stuff
Thanks for the entertainment
The cool thing is the C4 ZR-1 that you tested would have beaten both the C6 and the mustang by quite a bit. Shows how fast the ZR1 was back in the day.
What the hell happened? Pops spanked ya with the coyote 😂
Awesome! Next video should be S550 5.0 vs C7
I have an '07 c6 z51. I like 'em all. I can appreciate any of them. No need for haters. We like what we like. I always enjoy unmodid races. There are too many variables when mods are done. Just have fun and be safe
3:15 rearmed would’ve helped the Vette a lot, the 2:73 is called the gore gear for a reason.
That auto really stuffed the C5. I ran consistent 13.8's with a manual car at 4400 feet elevation with a 120k miles still on the factory clutch and factory suspension that was in terrible shape. My tires were brand new Firestone Firehawk indy 500's. Yes it was a track but it was not remotely sticky.
Amazing V8 RWD sports car bargains for the price. I would take the Mustang as a daily and the C6 Vette for a weekend car
On the roll races, we need that mustang in manual mode to give it a fair chance against the manual vette.
Love the Colorado scenery too!
Them coyotes ain’t no joke. And that’s a gen 1 motor! But I will say my 4v NA properly tuned and built motor will put down 425 to the wheels
Good and fun video. Keep them coming guys, really do enjoy the channel. (oh, and I'm a Corvette guy all the way.) 😊👍
The stang wins because it's more practical. You can have 2 more friends in back + all the shopping bags in the trunk. and you can have fun with it.
Trade that auto c5 for a manual c5.
+1
Pops should've been manually shifting that 5.0 since the torque curve is so flat in the ls. Too bad the cars weren't all manual since they'd all be 6spd, the autos were the big variable here 🧐 My son has the 5.0 with boss 302 intake,3" ford racing exhaust and a tune. It's a trac- pac so gears are 3.73 and it's pretty impressive 😁
Y u no downshift for the roll race
Beacuse at 30mph it faster in 2nd gear. The torque will pull it up faster into the power band than the shift from 1st to 2nd.
@@_Bishopton oh that’s my fault I thought because it was an automatic that he was in like 3rd or 4th & that’s what he started in because they shift early for like gas mileage & shit like that. I didn’t know. Thanks for the insight man!!
Real life racing coyotes are about the most dangerous to race. Great base by my god those things take boost soooooo well. Especially gen 2 coyotes
I knew a dude with a boosted stock ls1 that used to give boosted coyotes hell…he only made like 600whp too
Sweet video. Love seeing these older cars. Tommy, are you wearing an Omega MoonSwatch?
I really like the idea of seeing a C5, but damn.. It really irks me that you guys bought one of the slowest damn C5 Vette’s they made… 2.73 gear automatic with the early power plant. There’s a massive difference between yours and a later manual transmission cars. There’s even a huge difference between yours and a later automatic with the 3.15 gears.
It's C5's like that, that gave Mustang GT owners false confidence thinking they could beat up on my Z06. Even when it was stock, it wasn't even close.
I bought a 2005 C6 convertible Z51 package and love the car...not as fast as the C7s or C8s but as you mentioned for the money I get a fun car with great performance
Why everyone keeps putting the Mustang up against the Corvette?? The Corvette is a super sports car, The Mustang is a muscle car... no comparison 🤷♂️
That is my favorite Mustang. I would even accept the auto, as that thing shifts so well.
I had a friend when I was a teenager with an eagle talon. All wheel drive with the Mitsubishi engine some mods of course turbo I believe it had inner coolers not a super gear head and this was like 20 years ago but he beat the pants off vetts and a lot of other cars. After that the vetts we’re I don’t know lack luster to me burn out machines. Only thing I seen that guy lose to was a Camaro iroc z that was probably more modded then my friend tuner. The all wheel difference didn’t matter that day. I will never forget looking over at him and being like dam Danny that Camaro beat you pretty good and it sounded so much cooler doing it lol
My 14' Coyote went 10.96@125 on 93 with bolt on mods... 9.93@138 on 93 with 8psi...
Bro you can cook a burger inbetween these shifts, looks like the car is being pushed back each shift
He can’t shift or they arent really racing.
The c6 is just so impressive for its age. I have an LS3 manual and I’m so happy with it
Did you hold the traction control button for six seconds to fully turn everything off? If you didn’t you didn’t get the full amount of power
Need a preped drag strip please!!! I ran 14.0 in a bone stock 1995 z28!!!!!
Mile high elevation removes 17% power.
Those LS2 Corvettes were known to have some pretty aggressive torque management that cut a LOT of power.
Too bad all 3 weren't stick shift to compare but then you run into the issue of the driver being the deciding factor in shifting the vehicle correctly. Ya have some things to learn on shifting a performance vehicle Tobby, those shifts can run about as fast as an automatic if you time your clutch work perfectly with your gear shift. Great prices on them though, nice finds.
Does the C6 have launch control? The 2010+ ones do with the manual equipped models. That would help Tommy off the line.
We have a C6 Z06 and 13 Boss. This video made me chuckle, as I feel as fortunate as you two. Different drive styles, but amazing car experience's. The 60's are back, but for how long? Manufacturer's are headed electric. Might be a great time to scoop up these affordable cars, before you can't find one. ? Father & son, doesn't get any better :-)
Nice, was the LS3 Vette not an option for you guys? Feel like the price is pretty similar for a good kick up in performance
These are all cars they have purchased recently and just decided to race is all
@@watchreport no I understand that. But in my my mind... The price difference between the ls3 and ls2 Vette isn't crazy, so If I'm spending the money, I would aim for the better platform
C5 z06 running 15 is so slow but hot and high does that
Back when my fox was stock I was running 14.0s at 3,000 feet. But also got gapped by a 2014 mustang
Love both, but the newer Mustangs are proper fast!
In a quarter mile top speed won't be as fast.
@@mbsnydercmost definitely will be.
@@burgerbandit3646 compared to what?And what model I'm talking just the GT.
I love my C5. Give it a few mods, and you will still be way under cost plus it would smoke that mustake!
"Manual shifting" when u jump the start
"Holding with me" when he's blowing by u
What world is dude in
Ls3 vettes are where its at . I do like those new coyotes tho. Really sharp cars .
When I traded in my 2014 for the 15 I later regretted it, the 2014 felt lighter and the steering was more direct , going 20×10 in the rear eliminated most if any wheel hop in my opinion.
How about a C5 z06 to get the numbers more close? That would be a much more interesting, and fair, race.
Love the addition of a M6 C6!
I miss my Mustang. One day I'll have another one...
Speaking of 1999....I watched a few C5s turn mid 15s at Bandimere like that stock with the mentioned A4. Most of the F-bodys ran quicker "stock" with a 6 speed and 3.42.
Pathetic... my old C4 runs 13.5 with just a mild camshaft
@@mariocooldude9092 Probably not at 5800 feet.
Numbers are really slow, my all stock 98 went 13.7 over 100 times. He cant drive stick at all.
Elevation and heat