I've had 2 C6s and just picked up a C5 last week. It's no where near as fast, but man is it really fun to drive. Has a nice "analog" feel to it... you're one with the car.
Fun comparison but the XK8 wasn't really designed for performance. Think big engined GT car with the ability to waft everywhere and make a nice sound. It didn't win any tests when it was new but again, it wasn't designed too. The XKR was intended fast model, the others were better thought off a gentleman cars, classy, lovely sounding motor with the ability to waft around in style.
@@One-Crazy-Cat Corvette is often considered a cheat code on every track in America. The only cars that keep up cost twice as much or are completely built out. Go look at the thousand time attack corvette builds and call it parts bin junk. Then try and find more than like two time attack jags 💀
TFL Classics is killing it! I don't know who your editor is, but I am digging the old school feel! I have been a subscriber since the beginning, and seeing the channel grow has been cool to witness! You keep making them, and I will keep watching! Thanks TFL Team!
i’m def one of the young ones lusting after an xk8, it had been my dream car and I got it late 2021 right before I turned 19, black but with black interior, love the charactered burl wood interior, outclasses the tacky carbon fiber stickers most people my age are into
@@megachef0421 Just to add on: the main caps are six bolt! Which is super cool. And the block is what's called a Y block because it has a 'skirt' around the main caps that add way more support and strength. Plus the aluminum block and heads. Plus the fact that it came with 1.7:1 rocker arms stock. Plus the fact that the stock cam had nearly half and inch lift on both intake and exhaust. I know you were probably talking about making big power, but these little details about the stock motors made them incredibly strong and competitive at the time. They said a bunch of old hot rodders and engine builders were on the development team and they incorporated so many old hot rodder tricks along with some new technology to make one of the best motors ever. I really like LS1s lol
This is turning out to be one of the best automobile channels for enthusiasts like myself. The cars are mostly affordable legends and often result in truths that touch and concern chaps like myself. Well done gentlemen. Perhaps xkr vs c5 next …… ?
Four litre Jag versus 5.7 Chev. That's virtually a 1/3 more capacity. We have a 2000 XKR that came with the R-Performance package including a step-up pulley on the supercharger. Its quick enough for a road car that has an interior like a gentleman's club.
Homestead Raceway Miami. Construction not yet completed. Mid 1990's before it officially opened. There was an event testing or promoting XK-8's. I remember we sneaked in and sat at the grand stand watching.
Not a fair comparison! The Jaguar is a Grand Tourer, that means comfortable long trips and the Corvette is a sports car, for high speed and acceleration but no comfort. I have had both cars, and if I have to choose I keep the Jag. Jag is more quality and refined car, even though is not too reliable. Overall, I always enjoy your videos and Father and Son arguments. Keep up the good work!
@@josels1292 I meant Jaguar higher quality materials and way better interiors than the cheap and crappy Corvette. I had both, so that's why I know so much about both cars. Btw, for the original MSRP of the Jag, you could buy almost 2 Vettes back then.
@@josels1292 untrue, they are built out of solid materials, I actually own one, absolutely outclasses the plasticky interior of a corvette, and with timing chain tensioners and potential A drum sorted, it is just as reliable as any corvette. very well built, solid, rich smelling leather interior grand tourers, not sport cars and shouldn’t be compared with bare bone corvettes. these are long distance cruisers which have great torque and get there when you need them to smoothly, oozing class. every 10th car on the street is a corvette these days, I don’t hate the reebok brigade’s preferences but they sure harbor a lot of hate for jags
same, it was my dream car for years and I had one at 19 and still have one at 20. near identical spec but with black interior. hate carbon fiber sticker interiors, love the burl wood
Should’ve used the XKR to be fair,, The Jaguar is the better car… more luxurious, design, prestige, etc Now the Vette is the performance leader for sure. Plenty of younger guys/ladies drive the XK and the XKR…
Always love seeing oddball older car comparisons. 2000 XJR was one of my favorites growing up, it had such a boss look and I was tired of seeing all the S Class and 7 Series cars on the west coast. Now even the little S-Type R is getting some notice. Thank you for these videos, keep them coming.
I still have a 2000 XJR. I bought it in November 99, and I still get compliments on it. I also have a 67 XKE and a 2007 XKR amongst others. Some Jaguars are just timeless.
YES!! Ive always loved those cars. I was racing down the highway in my 94' Rx7 one night and I saw one of these get on it entering the highway and get next to me, kept up. It was awesome.
I remember shoving down on the inner fender structure of an xk8 of the late 90's on display with it's hood up and distinctly heard a spot weld in the fender go "POP"! That infamous jaguar unreliability is probably why theyre roughly half the price of C5 Vettes.
The C-5 in good condition is the best and I repeat is the best bang for your buck right now, so get one now because in 20 years they're going to be worth double at least
@trlprk 99 here too....6spd. white, targa. 24,000 miles. love it..... don't understand why people call them old people cars I was 17 years old when my car came out oh, it was my dream car and now I have it. And it's sitting away in a garage my gets driven I don't know a hundred miles every few months
Besides who wants an old British sports car with a Ford experimental motor aging? You can purchase a C5 for half its original price and a Jag for 10% of its. Says it all!
Spoiler alert. The Jaguar is about 400 pounds heavier than the fiberglass Vette. I have a 2000 XKR Supercharged convertible. Even that isn't faster than the Vette. However, it's presence and interior quality is much better than the Vette. I've had my XKR for 9 years and it is surprisingly reliable. The only issues occur when you have a weak battery (solved by installing a new battery) and the coolant hoses (and there are many) that fail after 20+ years. I bet the newer XK8/XKR with the Brembo brakes would stop faster than the Vette. Those Brembos are awesome in my S-Type R!
@@explorervango880 Thanks for the clarification. I knew of the engines were oval owned and engineered back then like Land Rover which today are India based Tata.
This Jag has so much presence and style when viewed "in the flesh"..they still has those classy interiors with wood trim and leather and the seats look lovely. Just the car that feels more special imo.
I have a 99’ xj8 4.0 straight piped. Had her for 9 years. Trust me, everyone think my seXJ8 is cool. Faults: Transmission 👎🏽 it’s the same from the chargers and challengers now. Just 5 gears not 8. Engine doesn’t have enough power for its weight They should used chevys transmissions with their own engines like they did before 97’. Other than that, the XJ & XK are timeless classics. Nice Father & son content 💪🏽
After spending more time than I care to admit with an xk8 convertible,I can honestly say that I am shocked that the Jag lasted through all thoses races,I always liked the looks,but the reliability is not even close to a Corvette. And if you own one that has been reliable and leak free,you truly have a piece of British automotive history.
leak free? this myth was always so silly to me, their hoses and seals are made out of the same materials any american or japanese car is made from, cars leak when they aren’t used regularly, what other issues did you have? they are generally good cars apart from timing chain tensioners and A drum. mine had a coolant leak in 2 hose areas on 25yo hoses after daily driving problem free for more than a year, and a valve cover gasket leak, that is not a “jaguar thing”, it is an old car thing.
@@h7pubg As someone who works on these for a living,I can tell you that it is not an industry issue or myth at all,it is a poor quality issue,uneven mating surfaces,poor quality materials for seals and gaskets etc. I have replaced multiple Jaguar engines over the years,every single one of them was oil soaked with one type of oil or another. And the issue isn't a hose or a seal leaking as much as it is what the hose attaches to,for instance I recently replaced the engine on a 2016 land rover,3.0 supercharged,there is a coolant bypass tube under the intake manifold,it is a poorly designed application that gets brittle and cracks,leading to leaking,leading to overheating,leading to a 14k dollar repair order for a new long block and install. I now have a 94 v12 Mercedes convertible and it isn't much better as far as the leaking and seeping fluids,and the car is used fairly regularly,but I also have a v8 Mercedes convertible and it is completely dry underneath. Bottom line is quality of materials,quality of engineering,and quality of installation on the production line.
@@glen7201 quality and design dropped post 2010, I don’t really think about those overcomplicated direct injection cars when I talk about jaguar, but pre 2010, especially 2003-2009 are as reliable as anything else, I never hear people in the jag groups with that era of cars dealing with abnormal leaks, the XKs had dash leather warping, plastic water pump impellers (that was stupid) but otherwise solid cars, the XJ8s had air suspension and sunroof issues but air suspension and sunroof issues plague all cars with air suspension and sunroofs. the major, actually jaguar quality downside to 4.0 96-02 cars was the timing chain tensioners, and plastic thermostat housing, I can’t imagine any domestic or asian car that doesn’t use plastic norma connectors in the cooling system, they all do, there is some truth but a lot of it is myths based on british leyland cars of the past, and their quality downfall after Tata ownership, but with some basic preventative maintenance, ford era jaguars are good cars. I know from experience, and experience of most other owners.
@@h7pubg Im not sure where you are from or what models you have available to you,but where I am from we were blessed with the X type,the S type,XK and XKR, Just as some examples,all of these models were very poor quality in construction and design,not so much to do with the use of plastic or any other materials,yet in the execution of its use. At least where I work the "myth" of the quality and reliability has actually become legend. I have been in the automotive field for 40 years now,every day of it has been working on foreign cars,its what I do for a living,and I would rate Jaguars among the worst overall,sure they may have had a few good years/models,but if they did I have not seen them,but then again I work on these things,so if there are good ones out there makes sense I wouldn't see them. I would be curious to see what the good years and models are though,I'm simply stating my experiences as one who has made a pretty good living wrenching on all makes and models with my specific arena being foreign cars.And all makes have their share of problems,even the best ranked models,but Jaguar seems to be very good at making some pretty attractive cars,just not reliable.The one that took residence in my garage was a 98 burgandy xk convertible,I really liked the styling,but it was a horribly built car,and truth be told my sl600 is probably as bad in its reliability,and I have stated many times if I couldn't wrench on it myself I wouldnt own it,but i keep it going simply because when its working proper there is nothing I like better. And as far as convertible cars go,I have driven/worked on Porsche,Bentley,Ferrari,Toyota,BMW,Jaguar to name a few.
Would be interesting to see the following generation of XKR with the 5l engine vs a C6 Stingray. Bet the used prices aren't far off each other now that depreciation has done its work
Why do they keep on saying the Corvettes at a disadvantage because of shifts slowed. That just means the Corvette's holding lower gears longer and getting up to redline. That's a advantage. The Jag was holding firstgear longer that's why was faster off line. Then the Jag quickly up shifted through the gears which slowed it down. I bet the Jag would keep up if you manually shift it.
Well there must be something wrong with the jaguar, I did a 1/4 mile race against a bolt in my 99 alero and yes off the line the bolt got me but as soon as I hit 65km I pulled away and got the bolt by a car length
Tommy, I'm about the same age as you and I do love that Jag, it would be a horrible financial decision and that prevents me from getting one, but I do like and if you told me I could have either one, I'd choose the Jag, seems more special to me.
I have one at 20, daily driven for 2 years, cost $6200 and put $5000 into it to this point, however it is a pretty sorted car, chain tensioners, full coolant pipe refresh, sensors, valve cover gaskets, alternator battery etc. it only ever broke down once due to original alternator, everything else was just to keep it freshened up + shop markup. if i did all the work myself it would have been 1/3 or 1/4 of that
Great video! I honestly love the C5. Its probably my favorite generation. (Minus the C1) The Jags are gorgeous and the interiors are on another planet vs GM, but the vette is a very good sports car.
Dude, same. I go for C2 first, but after that it is C5 then C6 (in that order). There is something about these C5s. They are sleek and elegant looking. Not a lot of hard lines, no real off-looking design elements. They're also extremely aerodynamic. Of course, my favorite car of all time is the Ws6.
I had a 2004 Lincoln LS whoch had basically the same engine, a 3.9L V8 and I raced it against my roommates 2002 Mustang GT. We were neck and neck until he hit 4th gear and he just pulled away
I never understood the “old guy” jokes when talking about Corvette. I have liked them since I was a kid and bought my first one at age 32. I have had 3 since that one. I think it has more to do with justifying a 2-seat car during child-raising years and less to do with being a car that old guys like.
@@wydopnthrtl I was 32... 2 of my friends were about my age when they bought theirs. I think the real difference was that we all had the disposable income to justify a 2-seat car in addition to our more practical family cars. Most people don't have that type of freedom until their kids are grown hence the reputation. It's more about financial capacity, I think. Either way, I think people young and old appreciate Corvette.
@@corvettetexan just bustin yer chops. When I was 32 I bought a Gen 2 Lightning and raced C5s at the dragstrip. I'm now 53 and have a 04Z06... and a Jag
I've been Jaguar and Corvette lover before I could legally drive. The first car I drove over 100mph was a XJ6 and I was hooked on Jags. Whist I loved this vid... and its VERY COOL that a Dad and son are having fun racing cars... its not a fair comparison. IMO at the time the buyers of each would not have been comparison shopping the two. Nor are the cars engineered to be competitors. Old man w/golf clubs is about the only thing they actually compete in. 1. I currently own both a C5 Z06 and a 4.2L Jaguar S-Type. Both are in pristine condition, have low miles, and both have 300+hp V8's 2. The Vette is more comfortable to drive than you might think. And of coarse its FAST w/430-ish HP and 3100lbs. 3. The Jag is deceptively excellent at high speeds. It has 303HP and the ZF 6 speed has a 1st gear that'll get its 3600lbs off the line quicker than you might think. Once rolling 70+mph.. its sneaky fast. I've driven both on 2000+ mile road trips and to be honest there is no clear winner for such a trip. When I want to blast around locally.. I take the vette. When I want to go on longer freeway trips I take the Jag. Curvy mountain roads... eh... its a toss up. IF I were to drive at 100+mph for sustained periods of time.. the Jag would be the obvious choice as its high speed manners are just right. Regards, Richard in Ohio
I have a c6 and xk8 4.2. The c6 is way waaaay faster than the Jag. But the Jaguar interior is like driving in Buckingham palace and the Vette’s interior a slightly upgraded Cobalt.
@@marial8235 absolutely and why he would enjoy the Jag on longer trips. Jaguars always have had plush interior. Curvy roads the Vette will eases through, fatigue in the Jag after the first hour even though it feels well planted it’s weight shifting around is a chore.
@@WoodLox I guess one thing I didn't mention.. I put softer shocks, taller tires (more sidewall), and I rebuilt the drivers seat w/more foam. As is it handles plenty good for me and is quite comfy. The Jag is all stock and the seat is a bit firm for my liking. But its MUCH quieter and is smoother over rough mid-west roads. In July I'm taking the Vette on a 3k mile road trip down through the Appalachian mountains and down to Fla. I'm going to drive the entire Blue Ridge Parkway, Tail of the Dragon, and some other roads in east Tenn. Looking forward to taking the Vette!
@@wydopnthrtl Nice! Logically the Jag will always bests touring and the Corvette track day. The best ride is the one you use to cruise the United States in. Reside in Palm beach and rode threw the blue ridge mountains last June in Asheville at the Omni. The Biltmore was a great visit as well. Enjoy!
Those Minna gallery grilles look pretty ropey up close. They look a lot better if you install them behind the bumper cover recessed back, but you have to fabricate your own bracket for that.
I sold Jaguar/AstonMartin/Land Rover when Ford owned them. The reason all those English Brands' reliability improved so drastically was because the first thing Ford did was dump EVERYTHING that said "LUCAS" on it. Then, Ford replaced those items with their Bosch equivalents. Still had issues with air suspensions throughout brands.
when the first C5 come out I went straight to the dealer and bought it new. A year later I discover that the 1996 Ford Probe arguably had a similar front bumper design. I was so furious I drove the C5 350 miles straight to a Dodge dealer in Texas and traded it in for a Dodge Viper. I didn't care how much money was lost in the trade...how a Corvette design team didn't pick up on this...
I would like to have seen a race between the Bolt and the Corvette. That might have been a close race. Then, race them again at sea level. NA engines LOVE operating at sea level! While barometric pressure makes a HUGE difference to normally aspirated engines, it makes NO difference to electric. The other thing is, that sea level creates more aerodynamic drag than high elevation, which tips the scales more against the electric. At sea level, the Jaguar might even give the Bolt a contest.
Corvettes got tuned exhaust with 5.7 litre LS1 engine.. Jags got 4 litre & seems somebody has put an X pipe & loads of sporty junk on it.. respect it for what it is!
I have been surprised Tommy is actually pretty damn good launcher in comparison to most of the crew especially in comparison to his dad ,it's really the only reason why the Jaguar stood any chance at all.
I’ve always liked the looks of the hardtop XK8, but they’re not that fast. Same with the XJR and S Type R, love the looks, interior, and luxury… but all Jags from the 90s and early 2000s were behind the Germans and Americans when it came to power and performance.
Thanks for doing this comparison. It was thoroughly enjoyable to watch. I'm in the market for an affordable sports car; trying to get one for around 12 g's. You can't get a Corvette for that nowadays but you can get an XKR 😁
@@accobra4272 Well yeah, but I didn't buy them to compare them. Doesn't reallly matter. The C5Z06 is a full second quicker in the 1/4 mile and 5 seconds quicker around Hockenhiem Short course than an XKR. No contest.
Not gonna lie... I wasn't expecting the Bolt to win that race. I thought it would have fallen on it's face before reaching the finish line. It's kinda funny that the 1st generation of the Jaguar XK and the 5th generation of the Corvette are both my least favorite generations for those models and they're both duking it out against each other. At the end of the day, though, I'd take the Vette because that Jag is simply fugly, IMO. At any rate, I love seeing these videos featuring older cars!
strange opinion, wonder what you think isn’t ugly if one of the most beautiful, organically designed cars well loved by people of all ages and backgrounds misses the mark
@@h7pubg, sorry, but I'm just not a fan of the early first gen 1996 XK8/XKR They're just not that attractive to me. I think the original wheel design is what throws it off for me the most.
@@carlos64030 fair enough, I love design language and I just love how there are no straight lines on the xk8, it all flows so nicely, especially in real life, I love cartoonishly exaggerated cars, so big on the outside yet small (but comfortable) on the inside. pictures don’t do them justice, but it is all certainly subjective
I owned a 99 Jag XJR. It was one of the most beautiful, but unreliable cars I've ever owned. It never left me stranded but dash warning lights would randomly come on, the interior plastics like trim pieces & dash vents would self-destruct from being touched. This also applied to wire looms & wire insulation. Got rid of that car after less than a yr of ownership. I now have the same yr Camaro SS which has been 100% trouble free for all 3 yrs of ownership. Moral of the story...Jag is expensive beautiful JUNK!
Own a 98XJR. Very reliable car. I never broke anything in the interior, it’s all very solid. If you treat your car right, it will be good to you. If you’re an dick to it, it’s gonna show you. If you understand and know cars, you’d never trade a real car for a GM-bell-and-whistlers plastic toy.
That would be interesting, since both Corvette and Jaguar have independent rear suspensions. Either car will out-corner any car with a solid rear axle.
@@vincentrobinette1507 Absolutely false. Here are the Hockenhiem Short lap times between an XKR and a solid rear axle Mustang Boss 302 LS. XKR = 1:19.3 BOSS 302 LS = 1:13.3 Slaughtered. Six seconds per lap is a GIGANTIC difference.
You really need to change the rear gearing in the Corvette. Putting lower gears will wake it up substantially. 3:42 was available from the factory and would be a vast improvement.
Just an FYI, NHRA does in fact grant head starts - try either class racing (Stock, Super Stock etc.) or bracket racing. Oh, and the Corvette should be around 13.7 in the quarter.
@@diederickhoogendijk5070 2000 Jaguar XJR Price ; Trim: Base ; Original MSRP: $68,850 to $81,245 plus tax tag title etc. Coupe vs sedan only the convertible brought in the higher premium. Price wise they are 911 territory or SL500. The 1995 405hp DOHC ZR-1 was the closest production Corvette to the price. Performance was record breaking and took rivals decades to surpass.
Xkr is better comparison. I had a 2002 XKR and raced a C5 Corvette on the highway. We were both neck-and-neck. I had more power but he was lighter. We went all the way to about 130. Completely random race, didn't even know the guy but I hope he's doing well😅
XKR is nearly twice the price and might veer well in the straights. Today they both bring in the same price as well. Legend has it he’s still ripping around in the Vette.
Good stuff like the older car stuff but man cars were slow back then lol!! My 18 camaro RS 3.6 hits 105mph im the 1/4 at 13.6 best iv run. Crazy how fast cars r today maybe be good episode 3.6 gen 6 camaro vs late 90’s early 2000 sports cars. Keep up good work always entertaining Thanks
LS1 is 346 cubic inches. Not 350. Even chevy messed up by putting 350 cubic inches on the plaque on the inside of the vette tho. But yeah, LT1 was the last 350 in the vette.
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I love these older car reviews. We had a '99 C5 that was extremely reliable and quite fun with a 6MT.
0:09 "We wish you dozens of miles..." Yeah, the Jaaaaaag was fun, but the Vette was much easier to live with, and still fun.
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I've had 2 C6s and just picked up a C5 last week. It's no where near as fast, but man is it really fun to drive. Has a nice "analog" feel to it... you're one with the car.
the c5 manuals were faster than the automatics , while today is the opposite
that Jag did sound pretty damn good ...
What was done to the exhaust is my question?
And it’s the slow version. They should’ve put the XKR against it from the same year.
Back then you could have bought a Corvette and a Silverado for the price of the Jag though. Always loved the XK8, especially the R
The last car a jag driver would’ve wanted was a Silverado
Fun comparison but the XK8 wasn't really designed for performance. Think big engined GT car with the ability to waft everywhere and make a nice sound. It didn't win any tests when it was new but again, it wasn't designed too. The XKR was intended fast model, the others were better thought off a gentleman cars, classy, lovely sounding motor with the ability to waft around in style.
Yeah as per usual these top gear wanna be people fked up an other video with a worthless comparison
C5 was leagues ahead of the Jaguar. When the C5 came out it was a record breaker when it came to many things, including aerodynamics and handling.
I have one with a Texas speed cam and a tune making about 425 at the crank, great great car
The Jaguar should have been a XKR, that would have been a Tad Fairer
Corvette is parts bin Chevy junk.
@@One-Crazy-Cat Corvette is often considered a cheat code on every track in America. The only cars that keep up cost twice as much or are completely built out. Go look at the thousand time attack corvette builds and call it parts bin junk. Then try and find more than like two time attack jags 💀
@@One-Crazy-Cat 31 class victories in the American Le Mans Series, 3 class wins at Le Mans, and one overall victory at Daytona. Yeah real junk...
Thank god that red lipstick is gone😂
TFL Classics is killing it! I don't know who your editor is, but I am digging the old school feel! I have been a subscriber since the beginning, and seeing the channel grow has been cool to witness! You keep making them, and I will keep watching! Thanks TFL Team!
Thanks for the nice comment. Much appreciated!
i’m def one of the young ones lusting after an xk8, it had been my dream car and I got it late 2021 right before I turned 19, black but with black interior, love the charactered burl wood interior, outclasses the tacky carbon fiber stickers most people my age are into
I have one of each car, both 2000 model years. Each is nice in its own way. The Jaguar is underrated as a GT vehicle.
The LS1 is very different from the old 350. Although both a 5.7 the LS1 is 346 CI.
Yeah, power wise the biggest advantage of the LS is it’s significantly stronger and beefier main caps, that crank an block will take 800hp with ease
@@megachef0421 and its light compared to most other V8s
@@megachef0421 Just to add on: the main caps are six bolt! Which is super cool. And the block is what's called a Y block because it has a 'skirt' around the main caps that add way more support and strength.
Plus the aluminum block and heads. Plus the fact that it came with 1.7:1 rocker arms stock. Plus the fact that the stock cam had nearly half and inch lift on both intake and exhaust. I know you were probably talking about making big power, but these little details about the stock motors made them incredibly strong and competitive at the time. They said a bunch of old hot rodders and engine builders were on the development team and they incorporated so many old hot rodder tricks along with some new technology to make one of the best motors ever.
I really like LS1s lol
Had five young ladies in my XK8, with the top UP, BIG SMILE, sold when I moved Overseas , No problems in 6 years and man I miss it.
I'd tend to think that the Jag XKR would be a more suitable contender here, but my C5 would smoke it, too. 😅
at that altitude it might be different with the XKRs supercharger
Gotta get an XKR do battle with that C5. XK8 is way heavier and way outgunned!
This is turning out to be one of the best automobile channels for enthusiasts like myself.
The cars are mostly affordable legends and often result in truths that touch and concern chaps like myself.
Well done gentlemen.
Perhaps xkr vs c5 next …… ?
Four litre Jag versus 5.7 Chev. That's virtually a 1/3 more capacity. We have a 2000 XKR that came with the R-Performance package including a step-up pulley on the supercharger. Its quick enough for a road car that has an interior like a gentleman's club.
Homestead Raceway Miami. Construction not yet completed. Mid 1990's before it officially opened. There was an event testing or promoting XK-8's. I remember we sneaked in and sat at the grand stand watching.
Not a fair comparison! The Jaguar is a Grand Tourer, that means comfortable long trips and the Corvette is a sports car, for high speed and acceleration but no comfort. I have had both cars, and if I have to choose I keep the Jag. Jag is more quality and refined car, even though is not too reliable. Overall, I always enjoy your videos and Father and Son arguments. Keep up the good work!
So the jaguar is higher quality but not reliable? I would say it’s poor quality and reliability. Corvette is superior compared to the jag.
@@josels1292 I meant Jaguar higher quality materials and way better interiors than the cheap and crappy Corvette. I had both, so that's why I know so much about both cars. Btw, for the original MSRP of the Jag, you could buy almost 2 Vettes back then.
@@albertodiazpr i personally don’t think the C5 interior is crap. I really like it.
@@josels1292 untrue, they are built out of solid materials, I actually own one, absolutely outclasses the plasticky interior of a corvette, and with timing chain tensioners and potential A drum sorted, it is just as reliable as any corvette. very well built, solid, rich smelling leather interior grand tourers, not sport cars and shouldn’t be compared with bare bone corvettes. these are long distance cruisers which have great torque and get there when you need them to smoothly, oozing class. every 10th car on the street is a corvette these days, I don’t hate the reebok brigade’s preferences but they sure harbor a lot of hate for jags
Not true, I own a Vette and it's VERY comfortable on long trips, even with a big cam and long tubes.
That Jaguar sounds real good…
2:59 as a 19-year-old, I am indeed lusting after an XK8
same, it was my dream car for years and I had one at 19 and still have one at 20. near identical spec but with black interior. hate carbon fiber sticker interiors, love the burl wood
Should’ve used the XKR to be fair,, The Jaguar is the better car… more luxurious, design, prestige, etc Now the Vette is the performance leader for sure.
Plenty of younger guys/ladies drive the XK and the XKR…
Man. I remember as a kid, I wanted an XK8!
I just realized that that old jag makes less horsepower than my 2006 ford escape weird to see just how much horsepower even new suvs make
Both looking so good after all these years.
The 6-speed C5 would have made it embarrassing. I owned a 2004 Z16...still miss that car.
And weight advantage means about zero in a roll race. Still a fun video...
Ok, in term of price comparison is OK. But to compare performance, you should have take an XKR. XK8 is more a big comfortable coupe than a sport car
Always love seeing oddball older car comparisons. 2000 XJR was one of my favorites growing up, it had such a boss look and I was tired of seeing all the S Class and 7 Series cars on the west coast. Now even the little S-Type R is getting some notice. Thank you for these videos, keep them coming.
I still have a 2000 XJR. I bought it in November 99, and I still get compliments on it. I also have a 67 XKE and a 2007 XKR amongst others. Some Jaguars are just timeless.
YES!! Ive always loved those cars. I was racing down the highway in my 94' Rx7 one night and I saw one of these get on it entering the highway and get next to me, kept up. It was awesome.
@@brianunderwood2966 Very nice indeed. TFL could have used an XKR for a better comparison against the lighter Vette. Enjoy your cats!
I remember shoving down on the inner fender structure of an xk8 of the late 90's on display with it's hood up and distinctly heard a spot weld in the fender go "POP"!
That infamous jaguar unreliability is probably why theyre roughly half the price of C5 Vettes.
The C-5 in good condition is the best and I repeat is the best bang for your buck right now, so get one now because in 20 years they're going to be worth double at least
I wholeheartedly agree, I got mine, ‘99 frc in black m6.
@trlprk 99 here too....6spd. white, targa. 24,000 miles. love it..... don't understand why people call them old people cars I was 17 years old when my car came out oh, it was my dream car and now I have it. And it's sitting away in a garage my gets driven I don't know a hundred miles every few months
Besides who wants an old British sports car with a Ford experimental motor aging? You can purchase a C5 for half its original price and a Jag for 10% of its. Says it all!
Got a 98 C5! 100,000 miles $10,000! No scratches and no Rips or tares...runs perfect! WELL SAID!
Spoiler alert. The Jaguar is about 400 pounds heavier than the fiberglass Vette. I have a 2000 XKR Supercharged convertible. Even that isn't faster than the Vette. However, it's presence and interior quality is much better than the Vette. I've had my XKR for 9 years and it is surprisingly reliable. The only issues occur when you have a weak battery (solved by installing a new battery) and the coolant hoses (and there are many) that fail after 20+ years. I bet the newer XK8/XKR with the Brembo brakes would stop faster than the Vette. Those Brembos are awesome in my S-Type R!
I have an XJ8 with the 4.0L. The transmission is a ZF. German.
Benz 5 speed to be exact
@@WoodLox only the supercharged cars got the Mercedes-Benz 5 speed. The normally aspirated engines have the ZF 5 speed.
@@explorervango880 Thanks for the clarification. I knew of the engines were oval owned and engineered back then like Land Rover which today are India based Tata.
@@WoodLox the V8 Jaguar currently uses is still a Ford engine called AJ. Ford closed the plant in 2020 and JLR now builds the engine themselves.
This Jag has so much presence and style when viewed "in the flesh"..they still has those classy interiors with wood trim and leather and the seats look lovely. Just the car that feels more special imo.
I have a 99’ xj8 4.0 straight piped. Had her for 9 years. Trust me, everyone think my seXJ8 is cool.
Faults:
Transmission 👎🏽 it’s the same from the chargers and challengers now. Just 5 gears not 8.
Engine doesn’t have enough power for its weight
They should used chevys transmissions with their own engines like they did before 97’. Other than that, the XJ & XK are timeless classics. Nice Father & son content 💪🏽
It would be fairer if they were both coupes as the convertible will always be heavier
After spending more time than I care to admit with an xk8 convertible,I can honestly say that I am shocked that the Jag lasted through all thoses races,I always liked the looks,but the reliability is not even close to a Corvette. And if you own one that has been reliable and leak free,you truly have a piece of British automotive history.
leak free? this myth was always so silly to me, their hoses and seals are made out of the same materials any american or japanese car is made from, cars leak when they aren’t used regularly, what other issues did you have? they are generally good cars apart from timing chain tensioners and A drum. mine had a coolant leak in 2 hose areas on 25yo hoses after daily driving problem free for more than a year, and a valve cover gasket leak, that is not a “jaguar thing”, it is an old car thing.
@@h7pubg As someone who works on these for a living,I can tell you that it is not an industry issue or myth at all,it is a poor quality issue,uneven mating surfaces,poor quality materials for seals and gaskets etc. I have replaced multiple Jaguar engines over the years,every single one of them was oil soaked with one type of oil or another. And the issue isn't a hose or a seal leaking as much as it is what the hose attaches to,for instance I recently replaced the engine on a 2016 land rover,3.0 supercharged,there is a coolant bypass tube under the intake manifold,it is a poorly designed application that gets brittle and cracks,leading to leaking,leading to overheating,leading to a 14k dollar repair order for a new long block and install. I now have a 94 v12 Mercedes convertible and it isn't much better as far as the leaking and seeping fluids,and the car is used fairly regularly,but I also have a v8 Mercedes convertible and it is completely dry underneath. Bottom line is quality of materials,quality of engineering,and quality of installation on the production line.
@@glen7201 quality and design dropped post 2010, I don’t really think about those overcomplicated direct injection cars when I talk about jaguar, but pre 2010, especially 2003-2009 are as reliable as anything else, I never hear people in the jag groups with that era of cars dealing with abnormal leaks, the XKs had dash leather warping, plastic water pump impellers (that was stupid) but otherwise solid cars, the XJ8s had air suspension and sunroof issues but air suspension and sunroof issues plague all cars with air suspension and sunroofs. the major, actually jaguar quality downside to 4.0 96-02 cars was the timing chain tensioners, and plastic thermostat housing, I can’t imagine any domestic or asian car that doesn’t use plastic norma connectors in the cooling system, they all do, there is some truth but a lot of it is myths based on british leyland cars of the past, and their quality downfall after Tata ownership, but with some basic preventative maintenance, ford era jaguars are good cars. I know from experience, and experience of most other owners.
@@h7pubg Im not sure where you are from or what models you have available to you,but where I am from we were blessed with the X type,the S type,XK and XKR, Just as some examples,all of these models were very poor quality in construction and design,not so much to do with the use of plastic or any other materials,yet in the execution of its use. At least where I work the "myth" of the quality and reliability has actually become legend. I have been in the automotive field for 40 years now,every day of it has been working on foreign cars,its what I do for a living,and I would rate Jaguars among the worst overall,sure they may have had a few good years/models,but if they did I have not seen them,but then again I work on these things,so if there are good ones out there makes sense I wouldn't see them. I would be curious to see what the good years and models are though,I'm simply stating my experiences as one who has made a pretty good living wrenching on all makes and models with my specific arena being foreign cars.And all makes have their share of problems,even the best ranked models,but Jaguar seems to be very good at making some pretty attractive cars,just not reliable.The one that took residence in my garage was a 98 burgandy xk convertible,I really liked the styling,but it was a horribly built car,and truth be told my sl600 is probably as bad in its reliability,and I have stated many times if I couldn't wrench on it myself I wouldnt own it,but i keep it going simply because when its working proper there is nothing I like better. And as far as convertible cars go,I have driven/worked on Porsche,Bentley,Ferrari,Toyota,BMW,Jaguar to name a few.
To be fair to the jag the xk8 was the comfy one the performance one was the XKR
Would be interesting to see the following generation of XKR with the 5l engine vs a C6 Stingray. Bet the used prices aren't far off each other now that depreciation has done its work
Why do they keep on saying the Corvettes at a disadvantage because of shifts slowed. That just means the Corvette's holding lower gears longer and getting up to redline. That's a advantage. The Jag was holding firstgear longer that's why was faster off line. Then the Jag quickly up shifted through the gears which slowed it down. I bet the Jag would keep up if you manually shift it.
No
Prefer the sound of the Jag
Well there must be something wrong with the jaguar, I did a 1/4 mile race against a bolt in my 99 alero and yes off the line the bolt got me but as soon as I hit 65km I pulled away and got the bolt by a car length
My alero only has 195hp
It's almost like the corvette used to be a reasonably priced super car competitor
I remember I was driving to the airport back in the early 00s and I see William clay Ford in his Jag driving down 94 to either Dearborn or the Lions
If im not mistaken the Ls1 is a 346 not a 350
I might just start calling the 5.3L in my yukon a 327. 😃👍
That 4.0 with a super charger on it was a pretty fun vehicle.
"You definitely caught up." lol that's a bit of an understatement lol
Tommy, I'm about the same age as you and I do love that Jag, it would be a horrible financial decision and that prevents me from getting one, but I do like and if you told me I could have either one, I'd choose the Jag, seems more special to me.
Exactly its not cheaper except "as is" fixing is what kills resale!
I have one at 20, daily driven for 2 years, cost $6200 and put $5000 into it to this point, however it is a pretty sorted car, chain tensioners, full coolant pipe refresh, sensors, valve cover gaskets, alternator battery etc. it only ever broke down once due to original alternator, everything else was just to keep it freshened up + shop markup. if i did all the work myself it would have been 1/3 or 1/4 of that
Great video! I honestly love the C5. Its probably my favorite generation. (Minus the C1)
The Jags are gorgeous and the interiors are on another planet vs GM, but the vette is a very good sports car.
Dude, same. I go for C2 first, but after that it is C5 then C6 (in that order). There is something about these C5s. They are sleek and elegant looking. Not a lot of hard lines, no real off-looking design elements. They're also extremely aerodynamic.
Of course, my favorite car of all time is the Ws6.
I had a 2004 Lincoln LS whoch had basically the same engine, a 3.9L V8 and I raced it against my roommates 2002 Mustang GT. We were neck and neck until he hit 4th gear and he just pulled away
LS1 , one of the best iconic engine's ever
At least the “old man” car still has Wood😳
I'm 15 and love corvettes I own a c4
I never understood the “old guy” jokes when talking about Corvette. I have liked them since I was a kid and bought my first one at age 32. I have had 3 since that one. I think it has more to do with justifying a 2-seat car during child-raising years and less to do with being a car that old guys like.
Its true... read the book "All Corvettes are Red"
Two gold bags in the truck was the design standard for the C5
@@wydopnthrtl that's true of the "golf" part... But not the "old guy" part.
@@corvettetexan yeah... all those 23yr olds buying late 90s vettes and loading them up w/golf clubs. 😆
@@wydopnthrtl I was 32... 2 of my friends were about my age when they bought theirs. I think the real difference was that we all had the disposable income to justify a 2-seat car in addition to our more practical family cars. Most people don't have that type of freedom until their kids are grown hence the reputation. It's more about financial capacity, I think. Either way, I think people young and old appreciate Corvette.
@@corvettetexan just bustin yer chops. When I was 32 I bought a Gen 2 Lightning and raced C5s at the dragstrip.
I'm now 53 and have a 04Z06... and a Jag
LS engines were way ahead of their time no Jag engine was even close.
I love how the thumbnail shows tom living his best life. I’m glad he’s happy he deserves the world his enthusiasm is infectious my angel
Erv the Perv, why don’t you leave these guy alone.
Jaguar XK8 isn't a sports car, it's a Grand Touring car.
Fun video guys! Removing the lipstick from the Jag was definitely an improvement. ;-)
Should race the C5 vs the XKR closer in power to weight.
Jaguar was never a "drag racer" and I wouldn't be pushing it too hard or something will break...On the other hand dad & son had fun making this video!
I've been Jaguar and Corvette lover before I could legally drive. The first car I drove over 100mph was a XJ6 and I was hooked on Jags.
Whist I loved this vid... and its VERY COOL that a Dad and son are having fun racing cars... its not a fair comparison. IMO at the time the buyers of each would not have been comparison shopping the two. Nor are the cars engineered to be competitors. Old man w/golf clubs is about the only thing they actually compete in.
1. I currently own both a C5 Z06 and a 4.2L Jaguar S-Type. Both are in pristine condition, have low miles, and both have 300+hp V8's
2. The Vette is more comfortable to drive than you might think. And of coarse its FAST w/430-ish HP and 3100lbs.
3. The Jag is deceptively excellent at high speeds. It has 303HP and the ZF 6 speed has a 1st gear that'll get its 3600lbs off the line quicker than you might think. Once rolling 70+mph.. its sneaky fast.
I've driven both on 2000+ mile road trips and to be honest there is no clear winner for such a trip. When I want to blast around locally.. I take the vette. When I want to go on longer freeway trips I take the Jag. Curvy mountain roads... eh... its a toss up. IF I were to drive at 100+mph for sustained periods of time.. the Jag would be the obvious choice as its high speed manners are just right.
Regards, Richard in Ohio
I have a c6 and xk8 4.2. The c6 is way waaaay faster than the Jag. But the Jaguar interior is like driving in Buckingham palace and the Vette’s interior a slightly upgraded Cobalt.
@@marial8235 absolutely and why he would enjoy the Jag on longer trips. Jaguars always have had plush interior. Curvy roads the Vette will eases through, fatigue in the Jag after the first hour even though it feels well planted it’s weight shifting around is a chore.
@@WoodLox I guess one thing I didn't mention.. I put softer shocks, taller tires (more sidewall), and I rebuilt the drivers seat w/more foam. As is it handles plenty good for me and is quite comfy.
The Jag is all stock and the seat is a bit firm for my liking. But its MUCH quieter and is smoother over rough mid-west roads.
In July I'm taking the Vette on a 3k mile road trip down through the Appalachian mountains and down to Fla. I'm going to drive the entire Blue Ridge Parkway, Tail of the Dragon, and some other roads in east Tenn. Looking forward to taking the Vette!
@@wydopnthrtl Nice! Logically the Jag will always bests touring and the Corvette track day. The best ride is the one you use to cruise the United States in. Reside in Palm beach and rode threw the blue ridge mountains last June in Asheville at the Omni. The Biltmore was a great visit as well. Enjoy!
Those Minna gallery grilles look pretty ropey up close. They look a lot better if you install them behind the bumper cover recessed back, but you have to fabricate your own bracket for that.
The way Tommy's dad just shakes his head is priceless...
I sold Jaguar/AstonMartin/Land Rover when Ford owned them. The reason all those English Brands' reliability improved so drastically was because the first thing Ford did was dump EVERYTHING that said "LUCAS" on it. Then, Ford replaced those items with their Bosch equivalents. Still had issues with air suspensions throughout brands.
when the first C5 come out I went straight to the dealer and bought it new. A year later I discover that the 1996
Ford Probe arguably had a similar front bumper design.
I was so furious I drove the C5 350 miles straight to a Dodge dealer in Texas and traded it in for a Dodge Viper. I didn't care how much money was lost in the trade...how a Corvette design team didn't pick up on this...
Nice story
Yep, she's sitting in my garage, and haven't driven her for 8yrs... it's hard to believe how busy some people are.
I would like to have seen a race between the Bolt and the Corvette. That might have been a close race. Then, race them again at sea level. NA engines LOVE operating at sea level! While barometric pressure makes a HUGE difference to normally aspirated engines, it makes NO difference to electric. The other thing is, that sea level creates more aerodynamic drag than high elevation, which tips the scales more against the electric. At sea level, the Jaguar might even give the Bolt a contest.
I never saw an xk8 as a corvette. I saw it as the best anyone has ever done to make a better miata arguably the only successful better miata
Silly comparison with a 1700 cc difference in displacement. You should have used an XKR which is supercharged and would have smashed the Corvette.
Corvette was braking way early, you can see how the rear is lifting at 9:45 before the cones.
Corvettes got tuned exhaust with 5.7 litre LS1 engine.. Jags got 4 litre & seems somebody has put an X pipe & loads of sporty junk on it.. respect it for what it is!
XKR would have been the one to use, XK8 was a lux cruiser
I have been surprised Tommy is actually pretty damn good launcher in comparison to most of the crew especially in comparison to his dad ,it's really the only reason why the Jaguar stood any chance at all.
In Need for Speed hot pursuit 3, the xk8 was the slowest car in the game (c tier), while the corvette was a mid class (b teir) car
I’ve always liked the looks of the hardtop XK8, but they’re not that fast. Same with the XJR and S Type R, love the looks, interior, and luxury… but all Jags from the 90s and early 2000s were behind the Germans and Americans when it came to power and performance.
Thanks for doing this comparison. It was thoroughly enjoyable to watch. I'm in the market for an affordable sports car; trying to get one for around 12 g's. You can't get a Corvette for that nowadays but you can get an XKR 😁
Thanks guys
I see you took the lipstick off of the XK8 . . . it looks better.
Technicaly the LS1 was a 346 CI.
Not sure why GM went a few Cubes smaller than the 350 but they did.
How do you make a Jaguar ugly??? Well, like this.
Lets race my 2000 XKR, You will see a different result!
And have it race a Z06
Butthurt much?
C5 will still win, but not by much.
I had an XK8 coupe and a C5 Z06 at the same time. Matching them up would be absurd. Absolutely no contest in any performance metric.
Wouldn't the XKR be better suited for a Z06?
@@accobra4272 Well yeah, but I didn't buy them to compare them. Doesn't reallly matter. The C5Z06 is a full second quicker in the 1/4 mile and 5 seconds quicker around Hockenhiem Short course than an XKR. No contest.
Both cars are giving me need for speed hot pursuit vibes
an XK8 was NOT A SPORTS CAR. IT WAS A GT
HAPPY SATURDAY EVERYONE ✌️ HAVE A BEAUTIFUL ONE ...
Not gonna lie... I wasn't expecting the Bolt to win that race. I thought it would have fallen on it's face before reaching the finish line. It's kinda funny that the 1st generation of the Jaguar XK and the 5th generation of the Corvette are both my least favorite generations for those models and they're both duking it out against each other. At the end of the day, though, I'd take the Vette because that Jag is simply fugly, IMO. At any rate, I love seeing these videos featuring older cars!
strange opinion, wonder what you think isn’t ugly if one of the most beautiful, organically designed cars well loved by people of all ages and backgrounds misses the mark
@@h7pubg, sorry, but I'm just not a fan of the early first gen 1996 XK8/XKR They're just not that attractive to me. I think the original wheel design is what throws it off for me the most.
@@carlos64030 fair enough, I love design language and I just love how there are no straight lines on the xk8, it all flows so nicely, especially in real life, I love cartoonishly exaggerated cars, so big on the outside yet small (but comfortable) on the inside. pictures don’t do them justice, but it is all certainly subjective
I owned a 99 Jag XJR. It was one of the most beautiful, but unreliable cars I've ever owned. It never left me stranded but dash warning lights would randomly come on, the interior plastics like trim pieces & dash vents would self-destruct from being touched. This also applied to wire looms & wire insulation. Got rid of that car after less than a yr of ownership. I now have the same yr Camaro SS which has been 100% trouble free for all 3 yrs of ownership. Moral of the story...Jag is expensive beautiful JUNK!
Own a 98XJR. Very reliable car. I never broke anything in the interior, it’s all very solid. If you treat your car right, it will be good to you. If you’re an dick to it, it’s gonna show you.
If you understand and know cars, you’d never trade a real car for a GM-bell-and-whistlers plastic toy.
Would have been interesting to include a handling circuit.
Corvette would just dominate again. No contest.
That would be interesting, since both Corvette and Jaguar have independent rear suspensions. Either car will out-corner any car with a solid rear axle.
@@vincentrobinette1507 Absolutely false. Here are the Hockenhiem Short lap times between an XKR and a solid rear axle Mustang Boss 302 LS.
XKR = 1:19.3
BOSS 302 LS = 1:13.3
Slaughtered. Six seconds per lap is a GIGANTIC difference.
Tire shredding performance timed with a calendar.
Love the video, all your vs car videos have been great,, love the music choices in all, and the editing is top notch.
You really need to change the rear gearing in the Corvette. Putting lower gears will wake it up substantially. 3:42 was available from the factory and would be a vast improvement.
Just an FYI, NHRA does in fact grant head starts - try either class racing (Stock, Super Stock etc.) or bracket racing.
Oh, and the Corvette should be around 13.7 in the quarter.
Very cool that you compared the Bolt to the Jag
i would choose the jaguar any day, the tech for its time was insane
I have to ask, what exhaust is on that C5? Is it a Billy boat? If so, which model? And most importantly, does it drone? It sounds so damn good.
The transAm would be the right 2+2 seat competitor
Corvette is a sports car. Jaguar is a GT. Apples and oranges.
Lets try this with something like an XJR!💪🏼👌🏼
Let’s try something almost double the price?! $42k C5 vs $83k XKR!! 🤏👎
@@WoodLox xkr from 2000 cost onlu €25k -35k in the Netherlands tough.
And XJR is far cheaper. Like 5-15€
@@WoodLox 😉
Does the Corvette get to upgrade to a Z06?
@@diederickhoogendijk5070 2000 Jaguar XJR Price ; Trim: Base ; Original MSRP: $68,850 to $81,245 plus tax tag title etc. Coupe vs sedan only the convertible brought in the higher premium. Price wise they are 911 territory or SL500. The 1995 405hp DOHC ZR-1 was the closest production Corvette to the price. Performance was record breaking and took rivals decades to surpass.
Xkr is better comparison. I had a 2002 XKR and raced a C5 Corvette on the highway. We were both neck-and-neck. I had more power but he was lighter. We went all the way to about 130. Completely random race, didn't even know the guy but I hope he's doing well😅
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XKR is nearly twice the price and might veer well in the straights. Today they both bring in the same price as well. Legend has it he’s still ripping around in the Vette.
Xk8 🔥
Good stuff like the older car stuff but man cars were slow back then lol!!
My 18 camaro RS 3.6 hits 105mph im the 1/4 at 13.6 best iv run. Crazy how fast cars r today maybe be good episode 3.6 gen 6 camaro vs late 90’s early 2000 sports cars.
Keep up good work always entertaining
Thanks
"classic chevy 350!" *doesn't have anything in common with the sbc 350 other than it being a v8*
LS1 is 346 cubic inches. Not 350. Even chevy messed up by putting 350 cubic inches on the plaque on the inside of the vette tho.
But yeah, LT1 was the last 350 in the vette.
Fewer gears forces the cars to rev higher and most big v8's make the most hp at high rpm's.
Ruined the jag with that poxxy stripe