Thanks for the video. I am currently flying this fit so I want to share my thoughts on it after 30 runs. I have the majority of my skills in 4 (no rigging skills at all though) and there were no problems at all with the exception of 3 ways. 1. Marshal room - Aceface is right, once you enter this room send your drone to kill one battleship and burn the opposite direction, shield will not drop below 30% 2. A wave with lots of scyla tyrranos and karibdis tyrranos. I have not found a good strat here yet, scylas are quite easy to kill but karibdis both beefy and do a lot of omni damage. 3. 8 kikkis wave - the only wave I lost my ship to. My mistake was to focus tangling and starving kikkis first, so I could fly faster in order to loot more nodes, but striking kikkis do a lot of explosive damage, so once I realized that it was too late, thus always focus striking kikkis first. I hope this message will save your ship someday xD PS. 200 runs update (I will leave my first comment so you can avoid beginner's mistakes) . No ships were lost since my terrible mistake in kikkis wave. I have added 2 augmented hammerheads for ephialtes waves and replaced power relay with another faction drone damage amplifier as I am confident in my piloting skills now. Besides, now I am using a packrat tractor unit and just shoot nodes from max missile range and then station MTU near the gates. I do it like every second wave, only if nodes are not super far away and my drones are still busy, trust me it will increase your income by 15-20%. So regarding the spawns there are only 2 waves demanding your attention. 1. 2 devoted knights +~4 priests spawn. We dont have much EM resistance so kill knights first ASAP, it is a pure dps check wave. 2. Karybdis tyrranos wave. It is the most dangerous wave, some scyllas have tackles so dont let them caught you in the viscinity of Tyrranos as its wrecking shots will no doubt impress you xD. First you keep range with tyrranos 65+ km, kill all scylas and then if you have more than half of your shield you can burn right at tyrranos as it will be missing its shots once you will reach a 2km distance. PPS. It is an amazing fit for newcomers like myself, as we dont have much SP and can skip capacitor, shield booster and drugs related skills and focus on drones, shields and spaceship command first. I have already bought a mid-grade nirvana implant set (including omega) and Gistum C-type multispectrum shield amplifier to replace thermal one. In 10 days I think I will have enough skills to be confident in T5s, so keep in mind that you can also follow my progression path.
Thanks for all the tip's, they helped. one tip for you is change one rapid light launcher for a heavy missile launcher. Then you have something with 63 km range for the far away nodes so you don't need to burn there and waist time.
Can I just ask one question? This is really something that's bothering me Gamma has -50/-70% Explosive Resist profiles. Why use thermal damage missiles instead of Explosive??? Im thinking of switching to Gamma (after exclusively doing Exotic) and for the life of me I cant figure out, why everyone uses a thermal damage profile in Gamma sites...
For players in 2024: This fit is less forgiving after the changes in subsequent patches. You will need to pay attention in some of the rooms, learn where high damage and neuts occur. If unsure, stick to T3 Gamma, which will be much more forgiving.
Took the plunge and decide to buy my first Gila (always been an Ishtar man) and tried this fit. Couldn't get the rigs anywhere near a reasonable price so I got the T1 version and just ran a T3 Gamma. It was a piece of cake! Even got a triple Cynabal room and it was no problem. Only scary part was when I thought I had DC'd. :P Will try it out on T4 once I upgrade my Rigs. Thanks for the fit!!!
np, enjoy ;) cynabal rooms are almost always really easy for gilas, mainly problematic for small stuff like frigate because they apply exceptionally well comapred to other waves
This Fit still works for anyone new checking this out! Awesome little to no stress runs. Big thank you to AceFace for helping me make isk as a new player! I love these vids
This is a welcome video. I usually do t3s in a gila. Or t2s in a hawk. But last night I did 2 hawk abyss sites and out of 6 rooms, 5 were karybdis. 5! Worst luck i have ever experienced myself. Lost 2 hawks to the timer in a row. Thought I'd be done for a few days as I was rather irritated. But will try this on one of my gilas tonight, thanks.
I have the same issue with Abyss. Lost Sacri and Gila already. I got mad, planning to go back to L4s. Nah, i ended up thinking about Abyss fits again. Well done CCP!
@@907CoolBoy Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster 1MN Afterburner II Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Small EM Shield Reinforcer II Small Processor Overclocking Unit II Scourge Precision Light Missile x2000 Scourge Fury Light Missile x7776 The fit works. You just need high skills and hope you don't get multiple tank waves in a row which should be rare, but in this instance I was very unlucky. You definitely need maxed out light missile skills, i think aceface did a video on the hawk in the abyss already. Can watch that video to learn how to pilot in there. Took me a couple of vids and ships lost but eventually I got it. I hope you don't get the bad luck that I did here lol. This fit is for t2 darks and exotics.
started playing this game in 2017 and left it. Picked it back up 3 days ago. I kid you not I have been watching you for 3 days straight so far and I'm surviving off of 10 hours sleep total :D
Got your T3 Gila, did me well for a week or so. Upgraded the fit to T4 (decent skills, played way back got like 13 mil sp), died to Karibdis Tyrannos in the first filament. Back down to retribution. Decided to up it to T2s, lost 2 retributions in the first filaments as well. Hell of a goddamn day :D
Wauw, me too.... Used the fit he reccomended and even added upgrades. I hit a wall once and lost 10 secs, otherwise it was a perfect run... Ran out of time on the last boss, same name ... I don't think this fit works unless you have all skills maxed or smth
@@xypezproductions5569 fit works, but Karybdis tyrannos is pretty much the hardest thing you gonna encounter there, so you have to get used to it, have some time to spare at every pocket.
Recently started using this fit and been working well. I also watched your priority kill video. Just the one question I have is what waves/rats do you switch to scourge ammo for? I might have missed that part if you mention it.
interesting passive gilas are making a comeback of sorts, now for something different any suggestions for doing t3 firestorms as an alpha? if possible at all to do in anything else than a gila. love the vids btw
@@davidcoyne20691I believe it’s because the Gila’s innate bonus to kinetic missiles. It must still be better despite the explosive resistance penalty. Haven’t test myself though
yea, that was me 2 Gila's ago. What do you mean I'm not supposed to fly right towards Karen? I'll just ignore the Two marshall's to get that loot can. Edit: Watching the target priorities video helped clear that right up.
So someone in my corp did some calculations and it might be that the 'medium core defense field purger II' rigs used for regening, it's probably better to use the defense field extenders he did some simulations in pyfa with 2 gilas, one with this fit, the other with the same fit except shield extender rigs instead of shield regen it turns out that the shield extender rig gila had more HP at all times *unless* the fight lasted for more than 24 minutes; the break-even point where the higher regen finally caught up to the higher shield tank was almost exactly 24m 12s. And since an abyssal filament cannot possibly last that long, the shield extenders are simply better that being said, he tested it with differing skills and the break-even point changed wildly i'd like to hear your thoughts on this? he wasn't testing specifically for gamma filaments, just fights in general, so maybe the extra shield capacity from the weather affect changes this calculation drastically? except... i can only think that doubling-down on synergizing with the weather effect, and stacking shield extenders, would have to be better... but maybe i'm not thinking about the way the numbers interact correctly right now I decided to split the difference and run 1 shield extender, 2 purgers, and it's working great. but idk if i can tell the difference honestly, in terms of overall tank.
low incoming dps = better with purger since the regen will be very similar or evne higher than incoming dps improving survivability more high incoming dps = regen becomes less significant in making you live longer - extender better, since the buffer plays biggest role there in your survivability
well sure but my point is like if the break-even point with purgers is 24 minutes into the fight, then they *cannot possibly* be better in *any circumstances*, because the fight doesn't go on long enough to regen up to the kind of numbers you'd have with a larger shield pool to begin with, right? im just asking if my thinking is correct
@@Aceyface actually forget my previous question, I tested it myself in PYFA and my friend must have screwed up the settings because the purgers are FAR better than the extenders But I have another question. Why don't we load Nova missiles in our various gamma fits? is there a reason we load thermal and kinetic? I know the Gila receives damage bonuses for thermal and kinetic, but is it really better than explosive?
Thanks for the Video. After watching this i did my first T4 Gamma run with this fit. But man, when you say it is a chill run i had 2 minutes left and was sweating. Maybe i was to greedy to get the subnodes. First run was ~27 million isk. Well i guess T4 is the part where you can maybe make more isk than with level 4 missions but on the other hand the risk to lose the ship and your pod with imps is much higher. But what is recommended, using scourge or inferno missiles or do you switch between enemies, i mean the reload of the rlml is very high.
Hey, used this fit (sitting below 11m SP) and completed a couple of t4 runs but 2 battlecruisers at once + a lot of junk (mostly bc) got me killed. Im new both to the game and abyssals so I dont have access to test server. What would you recommend to get to know abyssal npcs and the tactics for this build (the right approach, esp. When faced 2 bc)?
if it was drekavac, then the junk was kikimoras. Its important to kill kikimoras first because they do a lot of damage and pull range from them because they are quite slow and only do damage within 30km. If it was rogue drone battlecrusiers just pull range, they can only hit out to 10km, so you are fine as long as you dont faceplant into them.
@@Aceyface thanks for the response! Unfortunately, it wasnt that either as i Was taken down from far away (2 big ships 1.2-1.5k dmg each), temp boosters didnt help either. Will you be making a vid about abyss in general? The mechanics, npc types, etc for each tier? I am new to the game (10th day) and I dont have test server access yet. Thats help a lot of newbros as I could not find a guide like that.
@@xmarine73 hey, no. It was 11m which turned quickly into 25m+. I just hought the ingame cash from the shop. But turned out I do not like the game, cheers.
Thanks for the video. I do have a question though. I do not understand where you get your dps from. You are doing 648 with just 2 drone damage amplifiers. Simulating the fit with everything at 5 it still falls short by a lot - 545 total with 106 in missiles and 439 in drones. Where is the rest coming from?
Thanks for the fit! I did 25 runs with it. I have some relevant skills at level 5 and the rest at level 4. This is such a great fit for rookies like me who are starting to learn T4. Would this fit be able to do other T4 filaments reliable with a few mod changes?
The other filament I'd recommend is Exotic , shouldn't be an issue, just switch ammo and drones. Exotic will be faster but you'll have less tank than gamma.
Died from karybdis lol, he got 2 times wrecking shot Edit: bought gila again, analyzed my mistakes and survived the karybdis spawn, but it took 10 minutes
Just died to Karybdis too. My plan next time is to overheat the AB and burn towards him while using drones to kill the guys webbing me. Is that your strat? I tried putting my drones on Karybdis and burning towards him (without overheating), but the drones were barely making a dent in him and he was kiting me due to the webbing Ephialtes on me. I think I gotta kill the webbers to close the distance with Karybdis. Any tips?
what abyssal and whats in your rig slot, i have less resistance than you on this build only 12 em. so are you running electrical or something else (never mind, i learned how to read lol)
hi @Aceyface after #viridian is still good this video? cause before it was all good but now you got 2 battlecruisers (or 2 big ships) and the others. For example in the same room you got: 2 marshall and a bunch of thyrannos and it's almost impossible to stay alive :(
Nice fit. I modified it a bit and went with a Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay and a 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner which allowed me to put in a Multispectrum Shield Hardener II for more diverse shield resists. With the implants I am still getting 152hp per second on the shield so it worked out well to get that extra cpu required for the multispec. [ Gila ] Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II 'Augmented' Hammerhead x4 805.6 DPS with drones 52,273 ehp
Hi, first of all i love your video`s. But maybe its wise to add skill levels needed also. With exact the same fit i dont even come close to your EHP. Maybe something got nerved again. Beside that its better to replace the Medium Core Defense Field Purger II with 1 or 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II and 1 Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender with a Multispectrum Shield Hardener II. Replace also the Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay with a Damage Control Unit II. You need to have a safety valve. That brings my EHP [ and maybe others] arround 55.700- 70.392 EHP, Thermal at 73% and Explosive at 72%.
Is there a reason for the thermal amp over something like a multispectrum? Obviously if you get nueted out the amp still works, but the multispectrum gives better ehp/s. Is there a lack of EM damage ships in the abyss? I would think the angel cartel wave would be brutal with the em hole on this, but I don't have much T4 experience.
omg this Abyss always change the dmg rate of their ships ? i play 40 times with this fit in test server and i have no problem, i die in the second round when i play in real server, test server with the main server are not the same? the hit harder in main server, test server i was almost asleep when i do the same rounds their
Probably Shield Upgrades or something. There are some skills that reduce the amount of fitting requirements for certain modules. Double check if you have weapon upgrades 5
My brother ran this in a T3 and got obliterated in the third room on the first run. The passive fits have no safety valve. If they get through your shields, you're dead.
Can I just ask one question? This is really something that's bothering me Gamma has -50/-70% Explosive Resist profiles. Why use thermal damage missiles instead of Explosive???
@@Aceyface what dps should i aim for min for t4 would u say? im at 552(394 drone). i tryed 1 t4, and managed with 30 sek left on timer :P seems a bit scary
T4s are great. I am farming firestorms but they are harder than the gammas, I WAS in t5s but I kept popping. I would love if you could provide a reliable t5 fit. I just can't get past about 20 runs on average before I di and it is just incredibly expensive to replace those losses regularly. Either way I appreciate the content!
@@quinshotton6352 I will have to look for that one. I was running a passive gila with 160ish ehp and 160 hp/s and I still run into trouble with nuets and feeling like I am sort on dps. Maybe I am just doing it wrong. I will still look for that video though!
yep, is better to just farm 6 7 billions and get an unkillable build, and practicing it on test server before going t5-6, also have a backup connection in case some fail, like mobile phone 😂
Doesn`t really work. I have nearly all skills at 5 the lowest at lvl 4 and to get sure i also put two Booster in for my first run and get shot. Second room Kikkis wave, i focused on striking Kikkis first but what should i say. I got wrecked, not even close that i would say pilot mistake. I could depend on new patches etc, but for all new ones, dont use this T4 Guide, look for newer ones.
imagine watching this and going ah we can do this die on first run because i get 2 karibdis after eachother and timer went out cuz coulnd't even dps them down quickly enough to finish third room RIP
He means the Arrester Marshal. It's the one doing explosive damage so it's the most dangerous because of the gamma effect. The Attacker Marshals are doing thermal, and I think all the other Marshals are doing thermal as well (which is why we have the thermal amplifier)
Lost 500mil Gila on first run to 5x webbers and Tyrannos. It took many weeks to save for that as a new player, I practiced t3 as until I was familiar with the waves. I think it is a sign to quit and move onto another game, too many hours gone and don't have the foundation to earn isk back quickly.
Boy o Boy.... so for all the noobs out there or if it is just me then its just me..... skills are in shields at 4... got the implants and so on... well for starteers when i met my boy Karybids i was just stupid enough to not know that his real name is Drifter Vanguard! ok ok 1 gila down.... next time i met him i tried to burn to him but apparently i forgot 1 webber 10ish seconds and got to MrKarybids few seconds to late boom 2nd gila..... Now this time im like no way this is happening again !!! Read all the info aout kikis and waaaaas so ready! kikkis wave came done them before few times but this time i did like last time whent for the damm STRIKING KIKKIS buuuut nooo got them all off grid still boom. Im burning isk faster than i can yell "BINGO" guesss i have to just buy my 4th gila and hope i whont blow this fucker up until i can atleast make 600mill so i can buy the 5th one lol ough Eve hate you but love you but I still hate you!
update : well did 1 run and meet my buddy Tyrannos did as I was told sped away from him! Yes it worked!!! run nr 2 ofc meet this fucker again and for some odd reason he spawned alot closer and and i did as before started burning away but here I am boom..... will give this abyss thing a rest Im just to damm stupid to make it work! 4gilas.... 2Bill down the drain!
just lost my gila vs karibdis in my first t4, felt like i couldnt do anything it just didnt die now i cant buy another gila, i guess its time for another break from eve..
Thanks for the video. I am currently flying this fit so I want to share my thoughts on it after 30 runs. I have the majority of my skills in 4 (no rigging skills at all though) and there were no problems at all with the exception of 3 ways.
1. Marshal room - Aceface is right, once you enter this room send your drone to kill one battleship and burn the opposite direction, shield will not drop below 30%
2. A wave with lots of scyla tyrranos and karibdis tyrranos. I have not found a good strat here yet, scylas are quite easy to kill but karibdis both beefy and do a lot of omni damage.
3. 8 kikkis wave - the only wave I lost my ship to. My mistake was to focus tangling and starving kikkis first, so I could fly faster in order to loot more nodes, but striking kikkis do a lot of explosive damage, so once I realized that it was too late, thus always focus striking kikkis first.
I hope this message will save your ship someday xD
PS. 200 runs update (I will leave my first comment so you can avoid beginner's mistakes) . No ships were lost since my terrible mistake in kikkis wave. I have added 2 augmented hammerheads for ephialtes waves and replaced power relay with another faction drone damage amplifier as I am confident in my piloting skills now. Besides, now I am using a packrat tractor unit and just shoot nodes from max missile range and then station MTU near the gates. I do it like every second wave, only if nodes are not super far away and my drones are still busy, trust me it will increase your income by 15-20%.
So regarding the spawns there are only 2 waves demanding your attention.
1. 2 devoted knights +~4 priests spawn. We dont have much EM resistance so kill knights first ASAP, it is a pure dps check wave.
2. Karybdis tyrranos wave. It is the most dangerous wave, some scyllas have tackles so dont let them caught you in the viscinity of Tyrranos as its wrecking shots will no doubt impress you xD. First you keep range with tyrranos 65+ km, kill all scylas and then if you have more than half of your shield you can burn right at tyrranos as it will be missing its shots once you will reach a 2km distance.
PPS. It is an amazing fit for newcomers like myself, as we dont have much SP and can skip capacitor, shield booster and drugs related skills and focus on drones, shields and spaceship command first. I have already bought a mid-grade nirvana implant set (including omega) and Gistum C-type multispectrum shield amplifier to replace thermal one. In 10 days I think I will have enough skills to be confident in T5s, so keep in mind that you can also follow my progression path.
Thanks for all the tip's, they helped. one tip for you is change one rapid light launcher for a heavy missile launcher. Then you have something with 63 km range for the far away nodes so you don't need to burn there and waist time.
The heavy missiles help if you can afford the right dps loss
Why the augmented drones?
Can I just ask one question? This is really something that's bothering me Gamma has -50/-70% Explosive Resist profiles. Why use thermal damage missiles instead of Explosive??? Im thinking of switching to Gamma (after exclusively doing Exotic) and for the life of me I cant figure out, why everyone uses a thermal damage profile in Gamma sites...
@@varanzmaj I have no clue. I use explosive with his tier 3 fit, and generally do more damage. For some ships it's less, for most, more.
For players in 2024: This fit is less forgiving after the changes in subsequent patches. You will need to pay attention in some of the rooms, learn where high damage and neuts occur. If unsure, stick to T3 Gamma, which will be much more forgiving.
Took the plunge and decide to buy my first Gila (always been an Ishtar man) and tried this fit. Couldn't get the rigs anywhere near a reasonable price so I got the T1 version and just ran a T3 Gamma.
It was a piece of cake! Even got a triple Cynabal room and it was no problem. Only scary part was when I thought I had DC'd. :P
Will try it out on T4 once I upgrade my Rigs. Thanks for the fit!!!
np, enjoy ;) cynabal rooms are almost always really easy for gilas, mainly problematic for small stuff like frigate because they apply exceptionally well comapred to other waves
@@Aceyface Thanks for the reply! Do you have any fits for Firestorms? The filaments are so incredibly cheap!
This Fit still works for anyone new checking this out! Awesome little to no stress runs. Big thank you to AceFace for helping me make isk as a new player! I love these vids
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how's the completion time? im thinking about replacing a drone damage amp with a shield power relay for extra tank to learn t4s.
This is a welcome video. I usually do t3s in a gila. Or t2s in a hawk. But last night I did 2 hawk abyss sites and out of 6 rooms, 5 were karybdis. 5! Worst luck i have ever experienced myself. Lost 2 hawks to the timer in a row. Thought I'd be done for a few days as I was rather irritated. But will try this on one of my gilas tonight, thanks.
Good luck dude!
I have the same issue with Abyss. Lost Sacri and Gila already. I got mad, planning to go back to L4s. Nah, i ended up thinking about Abyss fits again. Well done CCP!
What's your fit for T2 in a Hawk? Whenever I try that I get wrecked. :'(
@@907CoolBoy Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
1MN Afterburner II
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery
Republic Fleet Small Cap Battery
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Small EM Shield Reinforcer II
Small Processor Overclocking Unit II
Scourge Precision Light Missile x2000
Scourge Fury Light Missile x7776
The fit works. You just need high skills and hope you don't get multiple tank waves in a row which should be rare, but in this instance I was very unlucky. You definitely need maxed out light missile skills, i think aceface did a video on the hawk in the abyss already. Can watch that video to learn how to pilot in there. Took me a couple of vids and ships lost but eventually I got it. I hope you don't get the bad luck that I did here lol. This fit is for t2 darks and exotics.
@@quinshotton6352 Nice! Thanks!
started playing this game in 2017 and left it. Picked it back up 3 days ago. I kid you not I have been watching you for 3 days straight so far and I'm surviving off of 10 hours sleep total :D
Sleep man it's good for you! Thanks for watching ;) ;)
Got your T3 Gila, did me well for a week or so. Upgraded the fit to T4 (decent skills, played way back got like 13 mil sp), died to Karibdis Tyrannos in the first filament. Back down to retribution. Decided to up it to T2s, lost 2 retributions in the first filaments as well.
Hell of a goddamn day :D
Wauw, me too.... Used the fit he reccomended and even added upgrades. I hit a wall once and lost 10 secs, otherwise it was a perfect run... Ran out of time on the last boss, same name ... I don't think this fit works unless you have all skills maxed or smth
@@xypezproductions5569 fit works, but Karybdis tyrannos is pretty much the hardest thing you gonna encounter there, so you have to get used to it, have some time to spare at every pocket.
Confirmed still works for me as of 12/22/2021!
Recently started using this fit and been working well. I also watched your priority kill video. Just the one question I have is what waves/rats do you switch to scourge ammo for? I might have missed that part if you mention it.
Great video, I will definitely try this :)
Hope it goes well dude, just remember, keep transversal with karybdis, and pull range for marshals, and youll be all fine ;)
@@Aceyface Thanks, I will definitely think about that :)
Thanks, i needed a solo high-sec money maker to offset my massive losses.
interesting passive gilas are making a comeback of sorts, now for something different any suggestions for doing t3 firestorms as an alpha? if possible at all to do in anything else than a gila. love the vids btw
You know firestorms are near-impossible, right?
Why do you use inferno/scourge missiles, i thought with the explosion resist penalty it would be better using nova?
Did you ever find out the answer?
@@davidcoyne20691 No I just unsubscribed when they raised the price of the monthly sub and I've not played in like nearly a year.
@@davidcoyne20691I believe it’s because the Gila’s innate bonus to kinetic missiles. It must still be better despite the explosive resistance penalty. Haven’t test myself though
"All you have to do is pilot right, you'll be fine"
yea, that was me 2 Gila's ago.
What do you mean I'm not supposed to fly right towards Karen? I'll just ignore the Two marshall's to get that loot can.
Edit: Watching the target priorities video helped clear that right up.
So someone in my corp did some calculations and
it might be that the 'medium core defense field purger II' rigs used for regening, it's probably better to use the defense field extenders
he did some simulations in pyfa with 2 gilas, one with this fit, the other with the same fit except shield extender rigs instead of shield regen
it turns out that the shield extender rig gila had more HP at all times *unless* the fight lasted for more than 24 minutes; the break-even point where the higher regen finally caught up to the higher shield tank was almost exactly 24m 12s. And since an abyssal filament cannot possibly last that long, the shield extenders are simply better
that being said, he tested it with differing skills and the break-even point changed wildly
i'd like to hear your thoughts on this? he wasn't testing specifically for gamma filaments, just fights in general, so maybe the extra shield capacity from the weather affect changes this calculation drastically? except... i can only think that doubling-down on synergizing with the weather effect, and stacking shield extenders, would have to be better... but maybe i'm not thinking about the way the numbers interact correctly
right now I decided to split the difference and run 1 shield extender, 2 purgers, and it's working great. but idk if i can tell the difference honestly, in terms of overall tank.
low incoming dps = better with purger since the regen will be very similar or evne higher than incoming dps improving survivability more
high incoming dps = regen becomes less significant in making you live longer - extender better, since the buffer plays biggest role there in your survivability
well sure but my point is like
if the break-even point with purgers is 24 minutes into the fight, then they *cannot possibly* be better in *any circumstances*, because the fight doesn't go on long enough to regen up to the kind of numbers you'd have with a larger shield pool to begin with, right?
im just asking if my thinking is correct
@@Aceyface actually forget my previous question, I tested it myself in PYFA and my friend must have screwed up the settings because the purgers are FAR better than the extenders
But I have another question. Why don't we load Nova missiles in our various gamma fits? is there a reason we load thermal and kinetic? I know the Gila receives damage bonuses for thermal and kinetic, but is it really better than explosive?
Thanks for the Video. After watching this i did my first T4 Gamma run with this fit. But man, when you say it is a chill run i had 2 minutes left and was sweating. Maybe i was to greedy to get the subnodes. First run was ~27 million isk. Well i guess T4 is the part where you can maybe make more isk than with level 4 missions but on the other hand the risk to lose the ship and your pod with imps is much higher. But what is recommended, using scourge or inferno missiles or do you switch between enemies, i mean the reload of the rlml is very high.
Hey, used this fit (sitting below 11m SP) and completed a couple of t4 runs but 2 battlecruisers at once + a lot of junk (mostly bc) got me killed. Im new both to the game and abyssals so I dont have access to test server. What would you recommend to get to know abyssal npcs and the tactics for this build (the right approach, esp. When faced 2 bc)?
if it was drekavac, then the junk was kikimoras. Its important to kill kikimoras first because they do a lot of damage and pull range from them because they are quite slow and only do damage within 30km.
If it was rogue drone battlecrusiers just pull range, they can only hit out to 10km, so you are fine as long as you dont faceplant into them.
@@Aceyface thanks for the response! Unfortunately, it wasnt that either as i Was taken down from far away (2 big ships 1.2-1.5k dmg each), temp boosters didnt help either.
Will you be making a vid about abyss in general? The mechanics, npc types, etc for each tier? I am new to the game (10th day) and I dont have test server access yet. Thats help a lot of newbros as I could not find a guide like that.
@@grel0408 I know this was months ago but I'm so confused. You were new to the game, 10 days in and you had 11m SP? Was that supposed to be 1.1m?
@@xmarine73 hey, no. It was 11m which turned quickly into 25m+. I just hought the ingame cash from the shop. But turned out I do not like the game, cheers.
tried the fit, got neuted and webbed and died, im just glad i kept my worm
Thanks for the video. I do have a question though. I do not understand where you get your dps from. You are doing 648 with just 2 drone damage amplifiers. Simulating the fit with everything at 5 it still falls short by a lot - 545 total with 106 in missiles and 439 in drones. Where is the rest coming from?
is it up to date? I'm planning to get back to eve after 2years of break and wondering if this fit is still valid
One of the questions I have for this fit is like, how do you know what drones to use for each room you go in? By their resistant types?
Yeah exactly, I use explosive ones here and mediums because gila gets bonus to medium drones
thank you for your work! strange: i have the essentials drones skills at 4-5 but only the half drones dps. is this nerfed?
Thanks for the fit! I did 25 runs with it. I have some relevant skills at level 5 and the rest at level 4. This is such a great fit for rookies like me who are starting to learn T4.
Would this fit be able to do other T4 filaments reliable with a few mod changes?
The other filament I'd recommend is Exotic , shouldn't be an issue, just switch ammo and drones. Exotic will be faster but you'll have less tank than gamma.
Why do I keep getting attacked by Triglavians when I exit the T4? I've gotten killed twice now.
First of all , great video, just want to ask if your T4 build with MWD and no implant still good to use?
did you test extender rigs vs purgers?
How do you select your targets so fast? Do you use drones to kill the marshals? How can i reload faster? Kind regards David
man i wish you would go over your stats on these build videos like drone dps/missile dps, also showing shield recharge numbers would be like... great
He did, did you not watch the video? He showed the stats when he simulated the fit
Died from karybdis lol, he got 2 times wrecking shot
Edit: bought gila again, analyzed my mistakes and survived the karybdis spawn, but it took 10 minutes
Just died to Karybdis too. My plan next time is to overheat the AB and burn towards him while using drones to kill the guys webbing me. Is that your strat? I tried putting my drones on Karybdis and burning towards him (without overheating), but the drones were barely making a dent in him and he was kiting me due to the webbing Ephialtes on me. I think I gotta kill the webbers to close the distance with Karybdis. Any tips?
Hey Aceface, or anybody who knows, can you please list the skill plan to be able to do this? please!
are there any other weathers this fit is good in? maybe with a different resist amplifier? This says gamma...but what about others?
Grate job you do 🙏
werent you saying not too long ago not to do passive in t4 and above xD
might give this a go tho
Don't. Passive fit will fail as soon as you get overwhelmed.
@@JefferyHHaskell_Author this is what I am saying, sure he said that not too long ago, might play about on the test server haha
Brilliant fit this.
what abyssal and whats in your rig slot, i have less resistance than you on this build only 12 em. so are you running electrical or something else (never mind, i learned how to read lol)
Does this fit still work for T4 Grandmas? and can i get away with having shield ops and management at lvl 4 instead of 5?
probably! but just replace drone types with valkyrie
i get cpu overloaded by -24 and power grid overloaded by -18% what can i do about this
Train fitting skills to 5.
What can you do about 2 karybdis Tyrannos waves back to back. seems like I always run out of time.
Prices for filament has changed, gamma being most expensive. Can I run this fit with other weather? Which ones to avoid?
exotic is a good alternative! they will go faster but you will be a bit less tanky. use vespa drones and kinetic missiles instead .
@@Aceyface thank you, glad to know i'm thinking along the same lines.
hi @Aceyface after #viridian is still good this video?
cause before it was all good but now you got 2 battlecruisers (or 2 big ships) and the others. For example in the same room you got: 2 marshall and a bunch of thyrannos and it's almost impossible to stay alive :(
what's the name of the filament for this site?
How do you decide to go for an optional node or not? Is the loot table different for those than it is for the Bio Cache near the gate?
I just go for the ones that are close or if I have a lot of time to spare I go the extra mile
@@Aceyface Thank you!
Nice fit. I modified it a bit and went with a Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay and a 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner which allowed me to put in a Multispectrum Shield Hardener II for more diverse shield resists. With the implants I am still getting 152hp per second on the shield so it worked out well to get that extra cpu required for the multispec.
[ Gila ]
Type-D Restrained Shield Power Relay
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
'Augmented' Hammerhead x4
805.6 DPS with drones
52,273 ehp
I get 558 total dps from this fit. Would this still work then? Can't use test server for this because my laptop is broken . :/
Hi, first of all i love your video`s. But maybe its wise to add skill levels needed also. With exact the same fit i dont even come close to your EHP. Maybe something got nerved again.
Beside that its better to replace the Medium Core Defense Field Purger II with 1 or 2 Medium Core Defense Field Extender II and
1 Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender with a Multispectrum Shield Hardener II.
Replace also the Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay with a Damage Control Unit II.
You need to have a safety valve.
That brings my EHP [ and maybe others] arround 55.700- 70.392 EHP, Thermal at 73% and Explosive at 72%.
but you slowed your shield recharge rate significantly that way for added buffer. Not a good advice on the rigs
@@zoranhome the thing is extenders work well with incresase in max shield from the abyss. generally i also prefer purgers over extenders though
Is there a reason for the thermal amp over something like a multispectrum? Obviously if you get nueted out the amp still works, but the multispectrum gives better ehp/s. Is there a lack of EM damage ships in the abyss? I would think the angel cartel wave would be brutal with the em hole on this, but I don't have much T4 experience.
I guess I need to listen when I watch the vid, you do explain why (facepalms self)...
Can this fit do the whole 1 heavy missile and mtu trick to loot all the cans?
nice fit thx!!
it's so easy with this fit. do you think that works for t5?
Probably could but I fear in certain unlucky spawns you wont make it. If you put nirvana implants then definmintely i think you can.
sorry for the lol question but this is T4 Ranging Exotic ?
Hi! I have the same fit, but only 16000 shield hp. What skills do i need to learn?
Shield Management
omg this Abyss always change the dmg rate of their ships ? i play 40 times with this fit in test server and i have no problem, i die in the second round when i play in real server, test server with the main server are not the same? the hit harder in main server, test server i was almost asleep when i do the same rounds their
Can it work without the
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Management SM-703 x1
Zainou 'Gnome' Shield Operation SP-903 x1
I'm sure it will, only gives a tiny boost to your tank, I just out it in because it isn't that costly
@@Aceyface Thanks. One more thing, in the Gamm Gila builds, what are the scourge missiles for?
@@Aceyface Thanks
I wonder why you use inferno missiles?
What am I missing? Im maxed on all CPU related skills (i think so) but im still lacking CPU for this fit
Probably Shield Upgrades or something. There are some skills that reduce the amount of fitting requirements for certain modules. Double check if you have weapon upgrades 5
What implants are you using?
None
My brother ran this in a T3 and got obliterated in the third room on the first run. The passive fits have no safety valve. If they get through your shields, you're dead.
Did he just yolo into the middle of them?
Can this fit do t4 Firestorms? If not what would I need to change to do t 4 fire storms?
T4 firestorms are insanely difficult and not usually done with a Gila, unless you are reusing an op fit with a low tier.
with the changes to battleships prices and now the marauder nerf any chance of a lvl 4 pve t2 battlecruiser fit experiment?
Good idea!
Marauder nerf? What did they do?
what rigs and what Ab use never showed?
Can I just ask one question? This is really something that's bothering me Gamma has -50/-70% Explosive Resist profiles. Why use thermal damage missiles instead of Explosive???
520 enough DPS for this or should I stick to the T3s?
Stick to t3s for a bit, test on test server otherwise
@@Aceyface what dps should i aim for min for t4 would u say? im at 552(394 drone). i tryed 1 t4, and managed with 30 sek left on timer :P seems a bit scary
does this Fit still work well in 2024?
Is 536dps enough for T4s?
is 588 DPS and 42k EHP enough?
If u add skill reqs, min ehp-dps that we need to complete these sites it would be great. Cuz i died with this fit in T4 few times 😅
T4s are great. I am farming firestorms but they are harder than the gammas, I WAS in t5s but I kept popping. I would love if you could provide a reliable t5 fit. I just can't get past about 20 runs on average before I di and it is just incredibly expensive to replace those losses regularly. Either way I appreciate the content!
He has a t5 gila that he did a video on a few months back. Has like 300k ehp, and the t5s never even dropped the shields to 75 percent.
@@quinshotton6352 I will have to look for that one. I was running a passive gila with 160ish ehp and 160 hp/s and I still run into trouble with nuets and feeling like I am sort on dps. Maybe I am just doing it wrong. I will still look for that video though!
yep, is better to just farm 6 7 billions and get an unkillable build, and practicing it on test server before going t5-6, also have a backup connection in case some fail, like mobile phone 😂
just Died from karybdis. Is there anything i can do?
After the fact? No. Next time, lots. Skill-up. Practice on Sisi. Insurance. Implants. Boosters. Git gud in T3s first, etc, etc.
Does this still work on an alpha?
I got three Karybdis Rooms in a row and timed out by a second. Pain hahaha
Doesn`t really work. I have nearly all skills at 5 the lowest at lvl 4 and to get sure i also put two Booster in for my first run and get shot.
Second room Kikkis wave, i focused on striking Kikkis first but what should i say. I got wrecked, not even close that i would say pilot mistake.
I could depend on new patches etc, but for all new ones, dont use this T4 Guide, look for newer ones.
Im just terrible.. cant manage to do t4s.. last time was swarmers.
does it still work?
Can this do T4 Exotics ?
should be able to , just be careful because youll be less tanky but you will kill stuff quicker
imagine watching this and going ah we can do this die on first run because i get 2 karibdis after eachother and timer went out cuz coulnd't even dps them down quickly enough to finish third room RIP
Is it normal that 3/3 of my t1 abyss room were battleships ahaha XD?
Bad luck
how much dps i would need to be able to run t4 gamma Reliably. Im training to use t2 medium drones.
By 'Arrester Marshal' you mean ''Attacker Marshal'?
He means the Arrester Marshal. It's the one doing explosive damage so it's the most dangerous because of the gamma effect. The Attacker Marshals are doing thermal, and I think all the other Marshals are doing thermal as well (which is why we have the thermal amplifier)
Lost 500mil Gila on first run to 5x webbers and Tyrannos. It took many weeks to save for that as a new player, I practiced t3 as until I was familiar with the waves. I think it is a sign to quit and move onto another game, too many hours gone and don't have the foundation to earn isk back quickly.
Boy o Boy.... so for all the noobs out there or if it is just me then its just me..... skills are in shields at 4... got the implants and so on... well for starteers when i met my boy Karybids i was just stupid enough to not know that his real name is Drifter Vanguard! ok ok 1 gila down.... next time i met him i tried to burn to him but apparently i forgot 1 webber 10ish seconds and got to MrKarybids few seconds to late boom 2nd gila..... Now this time im like no way this is happening again !!! Read all the info aout kikis and waaaaas so ready! kikkis wave came done them before few times but this time i did like last time whent for the damm STRIKING KIKKIS buuuut nooo got them all off grid still boom.
Im burning isk faster than i can yell "BINGO" guesss i have to just buy my 4th gila and hope i whont blow this fucker up until i can atleast make 600mill so i can buy the 5th one lol ough Eve hate you but love you but I still hate you!
update : well did 1 run and meet my buddy Tyrannos did as I was told sped away from him! Yes it worked!!! run nr 2 ofc meet this fucker again and for some odd reason he spawned alot closer and and i did as before started burning away but here I am boom..... will give this abyss thing a rest Im just to damm stupid to make it work! 4gilas.... 2Bill down the drain!
@@Skuggi008 Abyss got harder since this video was made so this video is kinda out of date.
What is the reason to deploy only 2 drones?
Gila can only deploy 2 drones at a time.
@@tokra2222 Ignorant me! Thx!
@@szpoti no worries, we all sometimes do a brain fart.
just lost my gila vs karibdis in my first t4, felt like i couldnt do anything it just didnt die
now i cant buy another gila, i guess its time for another break from eve..
what's the gamma filament used ?
T4 = Raging Gamma. The number of spikes on the filament icon reflects the level. T4 has 4 spikes.
hahahahaha No stress runs? Tryed... And its not possible! Maybe if you have Every Skill maxed out!
“abyssal hisec” wait but most abyssals are started in hisec
True but the point is this is a good way to earn ISK if you live in highsec
Wish you ever showed rigs
Wish you ever looked in the description
*dead*
This fit is 2bil in 2023...fk no.
this fit is like 638m at dodixie
No it isnt.
yeh it is
@@Woobieeee
Hah, first
cant use, no energy or cpu for that.
also, no words on what the drones do and when to use what. not rly usefull overall