"Various dynometer tests have revealed that Ford Motor Company underrated the engine, according to the tests the engine is closer to a power of 435 hp and 404 ft. lbs tq" Sounds good to me!
@turbo311 There's a good reason for that. The car I was driving on the inside was the Blue GT from the intro, which has the only wheels you can get that fit around brembo's. The C/S wheels (from the exterior shots, yes we used 2 cars) don't fit around the Brembo's and can't be configured that way.
@@cm-hoops7275they are not wrong. The video of the car driving has no sunroof . The video of the car with Matt driving has a sunroof. Red car is exterior video is not the same as the interior video.
@nachtkriechen so I drove a blue car and we used exteriors from a red car... so what? how does it affect the review of the car? Not at all. We didn't have our own car at the press launch, and had to shoot with 2 different cars, so it doesn't match perfectly. Again, so what? it doesn't affect the review of the car at all.
@subykid13 hey kid. You need to get your facts straight. The Camaro SS 6 speed has an entirely different engine than the automatic. This is for fuel economy reasons, since the auto has cylinder deactivation that can't be used with a manual gearbox. You're wrong, and that fact can be looked up anywhere. The auto has a 6.0L engine, the manual has a 6.2L engine. Facts are facts, and if you're going to be an online bully, you should get them straight.
@undecidedend02 the red car is the California Special package, which comes with the billet grille and black side scallops, neither of which I particularly like. The blue car in the intro is the one I actually drove, with the 19" wheels that come with the Brembo Package, and the grille has the innner foglights, which looks much better.
@NoPavementNoProblem no, the exterior shots are of a Race Red GT with the California Special Package. Note the Billet Grille, black stripe, and raised wing.
I just got my 2011 5.0 three weeks ago. Black California special with the six speed, 3.73 limited slip, Roush CAI and axle back, nav. Have to say I absolutely love this car and what a car for the money it is (especially used with 20,000 miles). Anyone who complains about the interior especially with the California special touches with the big nav screen etc is just crazy or in denial.
@beachaar we've said this before, like 15 times already in the comments section. The car I was testing was the blue GT with brembos and glass roof from the intro. The exterior shots are of a red GT C/S without a glass roof. Logistics prevented us from shooting just one car.
+mrmovin12345 "Attention: We shot 2 cars for this video. I was driving the blue car from the intro, with the glass roof and Brembo's, and the exterior shots are a Red GT/CS with no glass roof. There are lots of reasons we did it, but please stop asking now because it has zero impact on the review itself." Did you not read the description?
@Qnickel27 The burnout in the intro is a CLK63 Black Series, and your guess is correct. The Mustang has a better power to weight ratio than the Camaro, especially when you consider the 5.0 engine is underrated at 412. Inside Line dyno'ed the car at 395 wheel horsepower, which is more like 435-440 at the crank, compared to the Camaro's 426. Factor in the 'Stang's 200 lb weight advantage, and there you go.
I completely disagree with Matt, the 4.6 sounds much better than the 5.0. It's worse in every other way, although the 4v DOHC 4.6 does have tons of potential. The 2v was a joke, a really good sounding joke.
Karl Melvin Compared to what? A 4v? Yeah, parts are generally cheaper and there are more of them. The 4v is the much better engine though. Those heads flow like crazy. Compared to an LS1? Nope, and I'm not even a Chevy guy. You can get heads/cam installed WITH LABOR for like $2500. Try 2x that or more for a 2v and you don't get nearly the same power gain as the LS, and on a motor that makes less power to start with... kiddo. The only way to make good power and keep it streetable is a supercharger.
@mit10956 No, it can't. Here's why: I was actually driving the blue GT from the intro, which had a glass roof and brembo's, but the red c/s car from the exterior shots didn't have either. The Brembo's calipers are huge, and can only fit underneath one specific set of wheels (again, see blue car from intro). The California Special's wheels don't fit. If you wanted to get the Brembo's and wheels dealer installed, I'm sure they would be happy to sell you those parts.
Very well done!! I had commented earlier that these were what you guys needed to get back to, and you've done just that. An EXCELLENT video, nice having you guys back!!
@dodge69874 it depends on how much forced induction you're talking about. A basic 5-8 psi supercharger will deliver 550hp at the wheels, no problem, and the stock internals can handle that just fine. If you're talking a 20 psi twin turbo system, upgraded internals would be standard procedure for almost any build.
@apex020 The GT starts at $31,500. Our test car had nearly every concievable option, which can crank the price up to 42. Even still, that's about 7 grand shy of a base GT500. A GT500 with options will go in the low 50's (and is well worth it)
@BradsAMG The Mustang's closest competitors, the Challenger and Camaro, are 600 and 250 pounds heavier respectively. The Hyundai Genesis coupe, which some would call a competitor as well, is 3389 lbs, but it's down 106 hp on the Mustang.
we had an eighth mile at our disposal, and two automatic transmission cars. I ran a 9.24 @ 79 mph in the Camaro SS and an 8.65 @ 87 mph in the Mustang GT (also auto). I'm no pro driver, and I only got 2 passes in each car, but I've got some experience drag racing and the cars were autos so little room for error...
@Zimba9810 you should have read the video's description, where we say that we had to use two different cars to make this video. The one I was driving was the Grabber Blue from the intro, and the exterior shots were of a red GT C/S with no glass roof. Normally that's not how we do things, but it just worked out that way this time.
@tenjinnim obviously, not the same car. The car I was driving was the blue one from the intro, and the other, red car, was a California Special package with no glass roof. For logistical reasons, we had to shoot 2 cars.
Matt! I just have to say you did an AWESOME job on this video. I have watched it over a dozen times just to listen to the sound of that thing on your favorite road. You did a great job of getting the best sounds out of that thing. I simply cannot wait to drive one of those, so I'm incredibly jealous that you got to drive it.
@elements8er1234 It's light when you compare it to the Challenger and Camaro, which are the Mustang's closest competitors. It's also light by the general standards of 2+2, V8 powered coupes sold in the US.
@easternra read the comments please before posting this over and over. The red car is not a V6. It's a GT with the California Special package on it. Logistics prevented us from shooting with just one car. In terms of the review, it means absolutely nothing.
@Brewskies24 no, we used a different car for the exterior shots for logistical purposes, but it's not a V6. The car I was driving was the blue car from the intro, with 19" wheels, Brembo brakes, and glass roof. The exterior shots are a Red GT/CS with no glass roof. Apologies, but logistics prevented us from using the same car for those shots.
@forcedls2 the exterior shots were of a car driving slowly so they could get a good shot, the car I was actually driving, I was beating the crap out of it. It's surprisingly good at the limit.
@Kingsoupturbo the reason this video is short is because all the changes for 2011 that were implimented into the V6 and the GT were covered in the previous V6 review. Rather than repeating myself, for all those people who would watch both (which view counts show is about 80%), I left all that crap out of the second video.
@RalfMilo obviously, because we shot 2 different cars. For logistical reasons, we couldn't use just one car, so the car I drove was the blue car from the intro and the exterior b-roll was from a California Special, obviously without a glass roof.
@AJballer i don't know dude, it seems like you know what you want. I don't particularly like either the RSX or the Cobalt SS, but if I was forced to choose between the two, I'd rather have the Acura.
@ESPsandEmgs I don't have a response to that. We raced the two cars (under different conditions) and had different results. All I can say to that point is that despite those two tenths, the C&D article gives a clear win to the Mustang on all accounts except quarter mile times.
@subykid13 I never said the Camaro had 426 horsepower. It's an automatic, which means GM handicapped it with a smaller (400hp) engine. This is neither our fault, nor Ford's, so blame GM for handicapping the auto cars. Plus, it has been proven that Ford underrates the 5.0L engine by at least 20 horsepower, so the 5.0 makes more like 430 (even with an automatic) to the automatic Camaro's 400. Factor in the Camaro's additional 200lbs of weight, and the results of the race shouldn't be surprising.
@oconnellv as I've said many times over in the comments, we didn't have the opportunity to use the same car for me to test as to shoot the b-roll. it's just the way the shoot went. The blue car in the intro is the car I tested, and the red one is the "california special" version.
@subykid13 The guys driving the drag race were both pro race car drivers. The camaro cut a .001 light, and the mustang cut a .008 light. those numbers can only happen by accident or lots of skill. The cars were both automatics, and both drivers kept their feet to the floor.
The recorded exhaust note on the V6 was the actual V6 I was driving. The GT video, I drove a blue car and the exteriors were obviously shot of a red car, without the glass roof. This was because of logistical reasons, and we had to share cars with people. Doesn't affect the review of the car.
@Greendude33 I have heard from Ford engineers that the GT will "hang with" an M3 on their test track. HOWEVER, they didn't say that the Mustang would beat it. If you look at the numbers (which, aren't the WHOLE story), they are very similar. Similar horsepower, weight, acceleration and braking numbers. I would love the opportunity to test both cars at the track, and we'll see if that happens, but it's a very compelling argument. Given the price difference, gotta give some points to Ford, no?
@Ensilvanation I like good cars, that's all. Regardless of who makes them. What I left out was that, before I had my first 1994 Mustang, I went to look at a 1997 Trans-Am with half the mileage, because the performance numbers were great. I sat in it, closed the door, and heard more rattles than I had ever heard from a car door. I drove it around the block, and it was one of the sloppiest messes of a car I'd ever driven. I bought the older, higher mileage Mustang instead, and chose wisely.
@ESPsandEmgs we have made several videos where we've used my Corvette, as well as a video of the Pratt and Miller C6RS track test. But GM didn't like what we had to say about their Escalade Hybrid, so they banned us from their test fleets. And I don't prefer Corvettes over Mustangs. I love my Corvette, and I really like the new Mustang too. It's not always that one has to be better than the other. They are both good cars.
@50StangsBlogspotcom It's lighter on its feet than the GT500, but not quite as quick in a straight line. With the Mustang, you really get what you pay for. We're driving the 2011 GT500 on the Bullrun Rally this year, so I'll let you know how that is, with its aluminum engine, in July.
@kane91 BMW won't sell M6's with a Certified Pre-Owned program. Which should tell you something. And by "something" I mean "Maintenance is terrifyingly expensive and these cars are so unreliable, even their manufacturer won't offer extended warranties to second owners." That may have something to do with their low resale value.
@Curveball 1) There's a huge difference between a $35k car and a $50k car. 2) The Mustang and Camaro V6 models both have 300 hp for under 30k. You want a V8 and 400+ hp? That's over $30k. Both are totally reasonable. In fact, the Mustang GT offers the most horsepower for the lowest price in the US today.
@NigguhJason I don't make up what cars are in what class, there are actually government agencies that do that. THEY put the Mustang in the same class as the G37, Nissan Z, BMW 335, not me. There is no such thing as a "pony car" class nor a "luxury car class." The media just uses those as descriptive terms. The term "B-Segment Coupe" is the actual class those cars are in.
@mellenjuice um, no. The 1994 and 1995 mustangs were rounded bodystyles with the 5.0L engine. The 4.6 wasn't introduced until 1996. If you're going to be a smartass, get your facts straight.
@Ensilvanation to me, creaks and rattles are a clear indication of poor build quality. You can always add horsepower to an engine, but if the body and interior of the car are screwed together like shit, the whole package is pretty much hopeless. What did you expect me to do, "restore" a 2-year old car?
@Reaper87xx Having a LSD (which all mustangs now do, even the base V6 ones), doesn't have anything to do with the live axle. Live Axle vs. IRS is a suspension thing, LSD is a differential thing. Our test car had the 3.73, which I would recommend for sure, since the gears are more than tall enough to handle it.
@NigguhJason They are similarly priced, similarly sized, 2 door, 4 seat coupes with over 300 horsepower. Their buyers cross-shop models. Their fuel economy is nearly identical. So why aren't they in the same class?
@E90lover I think it would be a pretty close race on a road course, and even closer on a dragstrip, and M3 drivers definitely have something to think about....
@xMasterQueefx When we make videos such as this one, or the Fiesta review, we don't get to take the car home for a week and think about what we're going to say, write it out, that kind of stuff. We get a total of 2 hours with the car, on a specific Media Launch route, on a specific day. I have to do an entire review on the fly, in a single take, and with no room for creativity or error.
@ls1z28chris The Camaro SS, with me driving, ran a 9.24 @ 78 mph. The Mustang GT, also with me driving, ran an 8.63 @ 87 mph. I have heard that some drivers got as low as an 8.85 in the Camaro and an 8.40 in the Mustang, but I didn't personally see it. We film as much as we can given very tight time and budget constraints. If you're that disappointed, you should get a camera and do better.
@Greendude33 Every journalist, people who literally drive cars for a living, drove the new Mustang and said that the live axle is totally fine, because Ford spent millions of dollars adjusting other things on the car to dial out all the axle hop and everything that people don't like about LRA's. No matter how it looks under the car, based on the numbers on the skidpad, and the feel on the road, I think they did a damn good job. Before you assume an IRA is the better choice, you should drive one.
@NigguhJason I do prefer a 6 speed over a 5 speed, because in most cases, a 6-speed allows all the gears to be closer together, improving acceleration times. It may not increase power (what sort of idiot would think an extra gear increases power?), but it certainly improves performance to go from a 5-speed to a 6-speed, which is why the top of the line version of your precious Evo is a 6-speed, and the base model has 5 gears.
@Greendude33 Why would you take an axle setup, that Ford has put millions of dollars of research into, and rip it out, simply because you assume that an IRS will make the car drive better? They tested GT500's with IRS and Live Axle, and they found the Live Axle to perform better. Case and point, the Camaro and Challenger have IRS's and they both handle worse than the Mustang. The new GT, with a live axle, will beat an 04 Terminator around a road course without breaking a sweat.
@Curveball and just so you know, a friend of mine bought a base 5.0 with only Brembo's and 3.73 axle and spent $29k on it. Like I said, the cheapest 400+ hp car you can buy.
@BigBoyBato They are both fun, great performinc cars. I haven't raced them both on a road course, so that would be a tough judgement call, but in a straight line, it would be a slaughter. the Ford is definitely more spacious and made of better feeling materials, but the handling still isn't as "tight" as the 370Z. However, the Z I drove got super hot after about 5 laps around Spring Mountain, and the GT was run hard all day long with no problems, so I'd say the Mustang would probably be a better
@Model192 If ford said the 5.0 is hard to modify, why does it come stock with the extra pulley you'd need to install a supercharger? The Mustang is the most modified car in history, and Ford would have to be very stupid to build a car that people can't customize on their own, as so many Mustang owners do. In fact, they really encourage it. Ford is not stupid, so the 5.0 engine will be as modifiable as any previous Mustang.
@TheMagicalBikeCrew I wouldn't just bet the Mustang is much faster than the Camaro around a race track, I would bet that it's right on the bumper of an E92 M3 or an RS4.
@ESPsandEmgs how does filming with 2 different cars constitute being "full of shit" yes, we filmed with 2 different cars, for a good reason: time constraints. I tested the blue car from the intro, and the exterior shots were of a C/S car because that's all we had time to film. If I'm such a big Ford fanboy, how do you explain the Corvette thats sitting in my garage right now?
@nicnlac There's nothing about it that's specifically bad for a Family, other than being a high-horsepower, rear wheel drive, coupe. I have only driven the Mustang for one day, in California, and, well, you saw the weather. I have no idea what it would be like in the snow, but like any other car, snow tires would be a massive help.
@Marioamdz we use titles and descriptions in our videos, so you know exactly what each video is going to be before you watch it. It's very simple, if the video is of a topic you're not interested in, don't watch it.
@fordxbgtfalcon my test car had nearly every option available checked off. A friend just bought a 2011 GT with 3.73, Brembo's and nothing else for $29,500.
@dodge69874 I don't know who gave you that information, but I just checked with Ford's engineering team, and the engine will handle up to 10lbs of boost on stock internals no problem.
@AJballer Congratulations on your purchase. I'd bet those 3.55 gears have everything to do with the lack of low-end power feel in your car vs. my test car.
"Various dynometer tests have revealed that Ford Motor Company underrated the engine, according to the tests the engine is closer to a power of 435 hp and 404 ft. lbs tq"
Sounds good to me!
@turbo311 There's a good reason for that. The car I was driving on the inside was the Blue GT from the intro, which has the only wheels you can get that fit around brembo's. The C/S wheels (from the exterior shots, yes we used 2 cars) don't fit around the Brembo's and can't be configured that way.
I love how they are showing a red gt/cs and then in the interior the car has an optional panoramic roof that the gt/cs didn't have.
Am 5 years late but read the description
Lol, you're wrong. You could get the glass roof in the cs...I have this exact car with the glass roof...
@@cm-hoops7275they are not wrong.
The video of the car driving has no sunroof .
The video of the car with Matt driving has a sunroof.
Red car is exterior video is not the same as the interior video.
@nachtkriechen so I drove a blue car and we used exteriors from a red car... so what? how does it affect the review of the car? Not at all. We didn't have our own car at the press launch, and had to shoot with 2 different cars, so it doesn't match perfectly. Again, so what? it doesn't affect the review of the car at all.
@subykid13 hey kid. You need to get your facts straight. The Camaro SS 6 speed has an entirely different engine than the automatic. This is for fuel economy reasons, since the auto has cylinder deactivation that can't be used with a manual gearbox. You're wrong, and that fact can be looked up anywhere. The auto has a 6.0L engine, the manual has a 6.2L engine. Facts are facts, and if you're going to be an online bully, you should get them straight.
The 2011 will always be special because of the return of 5.0. The coyote is the best engine block Ford has ever built.
just skip to 1:31 you will thank me
Jared Stafford thank you
@undecidedend02 the red car is the California Special package, which comes with the billet grille and black side scallops, neither of which I particularly like. The blue car in the intro is the one I actually drove, with the 19" wheels that come with the Brembo Package, and the grille has the innner foglights, which looks much better.
He's not driving the Mustang GT when it shows the interior shot. Interior has a sunroof. Exterior shot it's a solid top. Fail.
Just please read the description, and thank me later.
@NoPavementNoProblem no, the exterior shots are of a Race Red GT with the California Special Package. Note the Billet Grille, black stripe, and raised wing.
i just got a 2011 mustang GT today. OMG it is sick. i can even change the color of the dash light. it halls major ass.
I just got one too in the dark silver metallic or w/e. LOVE IT so far. My god it pulls. Brother had a 2006 GTO that i loved, but this GT is too fun.
did you get the 6 speed? any issues with it?
I just got my 2011 5.0 three weeks ago. Black California special with the six speed, 3.73 limited slip, Roush CAI and axle back, nav. Have to say I absolutely love this car and what a car for the money it is (especially used with 20,000 miles). Anyone who complains about the interior especially with the California special touches with the big nav screen etc is just crazy or in denial.
Jason S Yes! the 5.0 is on the top of my list right now, just so hard to find a 6 speed manual with decent km where i live.
Whatever you do spend the extra and get that Roush axle back exhaust and cold air intake. It makes it sound like a NASCAR
@beachaar we've said this before, like 15 times already in the comments section. The car I was testing was the blue GT with brembos and glass roof from the intro. The exterior shots are of a red GT C/S without a glass roof. Logistics prevented us from shooting just one car.
so how in the hell inside of the was there was a sunroof or glass top and when it was showin from outside driving you could only see red top??
Video editing magic
ikr glad im not the only one who noticed !
+mrmovin12345 "Attention:
We shot 2 cars for this video. I was driving the blue car from the
intro, with the glass roof and Brembo's, and the exterior shots are a
Red GT/CS with no glass roof. There are lots of reasons we did it, but
please stop asking now because it has zero impact on the review itself."
Did you not read the description?
yes some one is full of shit the car he was driving had a sunroof Mustangs don't come with a sun roof
wait wat
@davidpanderson the brembo's won't fit under the C/S wheels. It's not stock footage, we shot the footage for Ford to use as stock.
the new 5.0 sounds good but the 4.6 sounds just a little bit better
@Qnickel27 The burnout in the intro is a CLK63 Black Series, and your guess is correct. The Mustang has a better power to weight ratio than the Camaro, especially when you consider the 5.0 engine is underrated at 412. Inside Line dyno'ed the car at 395 wheel horsepower, which is more like 435-440 at the crank, compared to the Camaro's 426. Factor in the 'Stang's 200 lb weight advantage, and there you go.
I completely disagree with Matt, the 4.6 sounds much better than the 5.0. It's worse in every other way, although the 4v DOHC 4.6 does have tons of potential. The 2v was a joke, a really good sounding joke.
That's where you're wrong, the 2v was much better when it came to power/$ in the aftermarket world. The 2v was the opposite of a joke kiddo..
Karl Melvin Compared to what? A 4v? Yeah, parts are generally cheaper and there are more of them. The 4v is the much better engine though. Those heads flow like crazy.
Compared to an LS1? Nope, and I'm not even a Chevy guy. You can get heads/cam installed WITH LABOR for like $2500. Try 2x that or more for a 2v and you don't get nearly the same power gain as the LS, and on a motor that makes less power to start with... kiddo.
The only way to make good power and keep it streetable is a supercharger.
kingcrimson234 they have hci top end kits that dyno at 340-350 whp for 2v. a 302 top end kit will get 300 whp if ur lucky.
my 04 keeps up with no probs with even newer stangs,just bolt ons ,stock cams and heads, i can drive tho... and am around 500 pounds lighter.
Opinions do vary.
@mit10956 No, it can't. Here's why: I was actually driving the blue GT from the intro, which had a glass roof and brembo's, but the red c/s car from the exterior shots didn't have either. The Brembo's calipers are huge, and can only fit underneath one specific set of wheels (again, see blue car from intro). The California Special's wheels don't fit. If you wanted to get the Brembo's and wheels dealer installed, I'm sure they would be happy to sell you those parts.
This one has just about every option except convertible, it has sync. would that be the kitchen sync? LOL
Very well done!! I had commented earlier that these were what you guys needed to get back to, and you've done just that. An EXCELLENT video, nice having you guys back!!
3650lbs is not light. It's just lighter than the other american competitors.
Nah fuck
It's light for muscle car,
+CustomGrow420 Funny seeing you here lol.
my sedan is lighter
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@nicnlac with the new 6-speed transmission, I'd highly recommend the 3.73 unless you're very concerned about gas mileage.
@dodge69874 it depends on how much forced induction you're talking about. A basic 5-8 psi supercharger will deliver 550hp at the wheels, no problem, and the stock internals can handle that just fine. If you're talking a 20 psi twin turbo system, upgraded internals would be standard procedure for almost any build.
@apex020 The GT starts at $31,500. Our test car had nearly every concievable option, which can crank the price up to 42. Even still, that's about 7 grand shy of a base GT500. A GT500 with options will go in the low 50's (and is well worth it)
@BradsAMG The Mustang's closest competitors, the Challenger and Camaro, are 600 and 250 pounds heavier respectively. The Hyundai Genesis coupe, which some would call a competitor as well, is 3389 lbs, but it's down 106 hp on the Mustang.
we had an eighth mile at our disposal, and two automatic transmission cars. I ran a 9.24 @ 79 mph in the Camaro SS and an 8.65 @ 87 mph in the Mustang GT (also auto). I'm no pro driver, and I only got 2 passes in each car, but I've got some experience drag racing and the cars were autos so little room for error...
@Zimba9810 you should have read the video's description, where we say that we had to use two different cars to make this video. The one I was driving was the Grabber Blue from the intro, and the exterior shots were of a red GT C/S with no glass roof. Normally that's not how we do things, but it just worked out that way this time.
@tenjinnim obviously, not the same car. The car I was driving was the blue one from the intro, and the other, red car, was a California Special package with no glass roof. For logistical reasons, we had to shoot 2 cars.
@Stoutcrotch no, compared to its closest competitors, the Camaro (3800 lbs) and Challenger (4100 lbs)
Matt! I just have to say you did an AWESOME job on this video. I have watched it over a dozen times just to listen to the sound of that thing on your favorite road. You did a great job of getting the best sounds out of that thing. I simply cannot wait to drive one of those, so I'm incredibly jealous that you got to drive it.
@elements8er1234 It's light when you compare it to the Challenger and Camaro, which are the Mustang's closest competitors. It's also light by the general standards of 2+2, V8 powered coupes sold in the US.
@easternra read the comments please before posting this over and over. The red car is not a V6. It's a GT with the California Special package on it. Logistics prevented us from shooting with just one car. In terms of the review, it means absolutely nothing.
@2007Escalade I'm confused. Where's the integrated advertisement here? We didn't run any ads in this video.
@sabonathan101 read the video's description, the red car from the outside isn't a V6, it's a GT/CS.
@Brewskies24 no, we used a different car for the exterior shots for logistical purposes, but it's not a V6. The car I was driving was the blue car from the intro, with 19" wheels, Brembo brakes, and glass roof. The exterior shots are a Red GT/CS with no glass roof. Apologies, but logistics prevented us from using the same car for those shots.
@AJballer If you don't need to carry passengers or drive in bad weather, probably go for the 07 Z06.
@forcedls2 the exterior shots were of a car driving slowly so they could get a good shot, the car I was actually driving, I was beating the crap out of it. It's surprisingly good at the limit.
@Billy145891 the fully loaded (nav, 2-tone leather, 3.73, sport pack, glass roof with brembos) was 42k.
@Kingsoupturbo the reason this video is short is because all the changes for 2011 that were implimented into the V6 and the GT were covered in the previous V6 review. Rather than repeating myself, for all those people who would watch both (which view counts show is about 80%), I left all that crap out of the second video.
@RalfMilo obviously, because we shot 2 different cars. For logistical reasons, we couldn't use just one car, so the car I drove was the blue car from the intro and the exterior b-roll was from a California Special, obviously without a glass roof.
@AJballer i don't know dude, it seems like you know what you want. I don't particularly like either the RSX or the Cobalt SS, but if I was forced to choose between the two, I'd rather have the Acura.
@ESPsandEmgs I don't have a response to that. We raced the two cars (under different conditions) and had different results. All I can say to that point is that despite those two tenths, the C&D article gives a clear win to the Mustang on all accounts except quarter mile times.
@EvilxMerlin The edmunds dnyo test showed 395 at the wheels, which is between 425 and 435 at the crank.
@subykid13 I never said the Camaro had 426 horsepower. It's an automatic, which means GM handicapped it with a smaller (400hp) engine. This is neither our fault, nor Ford's, so blame GM for handicapping the auto cars. Plus, it has been proven that Ford underrates the 5.0L engine by at least 20 horsepower, so the 5.0 makes more like 430 (even with an automatic) to the automatic Camaro's 400. Factor in the Camaro's additional 200lbs of weight, and the results of the race shouldn't be surprising.
@irivito1 the red car is a California Special, not a Shelby GT. there is no such thing as a 2011 Shelby GT.
@oconnellv as I've said many times over in the comments, we didn't have the opportunity to use the same car for me to test as to shoot the b-roll. it's just the way the shoot went. The blue car in the intro is the car I tested, and the red one is the "california special" version.
@subykid13 The guys driving the drag race were both pro race car drivers. The camaro cut a .001 light, and the mustang cut a .008 light. those numbers can only happen by accident or lots of skill. The cars were both automatics, and both drivers kept their feet to the floor.
The recorded exhaust note on the V6 was the actual V6 I was driving. The GT video, I drove a blue car and the exteriors were obviously shot of a red car, without the glass roof. This was because of logistical reasons, and we had to share cars with people. Doesn't affect the review of the car.
@E90lover I honestly don't remember, but the most expensive Mustang GT you can get is a Convertible C/S with all the options, and it's $48k.
@nicnlac yes, all 2011 mustangs (even the base V6) come with limited slip diff's.
@ADD8oi Yes, it has one on the key fob and another on the lower dash.
@Greendude33 I have heard from Ford engineers that the GT will "hang with" an M3 on their test track. HOWEVER, they didn't say that the Mustang would beat it. If you look at the numbers (which, aren't the WHOLE story), they are very similar. Similar horsepower, weight, acceleration and braking numbers. I would love the opportunity to test both cars at the track, and we'll see if that happens, but it's a very compelling argument. Given the price difference, gotta give some points to Ford, no?
@Ensilvanation I like good cars, that's all. Regardless of who makes them. What I left out was that, before I had my first 1994 Mustang, I went to look at a 1997 Trans-Am with half the mileage, because the performance numbers were great. I sat in it, closed the door, and heard more rattles than I had ever heard from a car door. I drove it around the block, and it was one of the sloppiest messes of a car I'd ever driven. I bought the older, higher mileage Mustang instead, and chose wisely.
Best 2011 Mustang review on TH-cam. Motor Trend and Car and Driver don't hold a candle, and I'm usually a big Motor Trend fan.
@ESPsandEmgs we have made several videos where we've used my Corvette, as well as a video of the Pratt and Miller C6RS track test. But GM didn't like what we had to say about their Escalade Hybrid, so they banned us from their test fleets. And I don't prefer Corvettes over Mustangs. I love my Corvette, and I really like the new Mustang too. It's not always that one has to be better than the other. They are both good cars.
@50StangsBlogspotcom It's lighter on its feet than the GT500, but not quite as quick in a straight line. With the Mustang, you really get what you pay for. We're driving the 2011 GT500 on the Bullrun Rally this year, so I'll let you know how that is, with its aluminum engine, in July.
Although the internet is flooded with car vids, you manadged to make this very interesting, great vid!!!
@cjbetzair congratulations on your purchase. Shelby is developing the new GT350, which is a supercharged 5.0L engine.
@kane91 BMW won't sell M6's with a Certified Pre-Owned program. Which should tell you something. And by "something" I mean "Maintenance is terrifyingly expensive and these cars are so unreliable, even their manufacturer won't offer extended warranties to second owners." That may have something to do with their low resale value.
@Curveball 1) There's a huge difference between a $35k car and a $50k car. 2) The Mustang and Camaro V6 models both have 300 hp for under 30k. You want a V8 and 400+ hp? That's over $30k. Both are totally reasonable. In fact, the Mustang GT offers the most horsepower for the lowest price in the US today.
@427danderson what do you mean? there was a smoky eighth mile burnout at the beginning of the episode.
@Curufin42 yes, the b-roll is of a different GT than the car I drove, which is shown in the intro. logistics prevented us from shooting just one car.
@NigguhJason I don't make up what cars are in what class, there are actually government agencies that do that. THEY put the Mustang in the same class as the G37, Nissan Z, BMW 335, not me. There is no such thing as a "pony car" class nor a "luxury car class." The media just uses those as descriptive terms. The term "B-Segment Coupe" is the actual class those cars are in.
@mellenjuice um, no. The 1994 and 1995 mustangs were rounded bodystyles with the 5.0L engine. The 4.6 wasn't introduced until 1996. If you're going to be a smartass, get your facts straight.
@newo707 ya, we had to shoot 2 different cars. it's just the way it goes sometimes at auto launches.
@pali4life48 right. I was driving the blue car from the intro.
@eknuds if you can find a new corvette in the low 40's, I don't blame you at all for taking it.
@Ensilvanation to me, creaks and rattles are a clear indication of poor build quality. You can always add horsepower to an engine, but if the body and interior of the car are screwed together like shit, the whole package is pretty much hopeless. What did you expect me to do, "restore" a 2-year old car?
@Reaper87xx Having a LSD (which all mustangs now do, even the base V6 ones), doesn't have anything to do with the live axle. Live Axle vs. IRS is a suspension thing, LSD is a differential thing. Our test car had the 3.73, which I would recommend for sure, since the gears are more than tall enough to handle it.
@NigguhJason They are similarly priced, similarly sized, 2 door, 4 seat coupes with over 300 horsepower. Their buyers cross-shop models. Their fuel economy is nearly identical. So why aren't they in the same class?
@e46oo69 the Mustang weighs 3600 pounds, not 4600.
@Moemxxxking yes, but it costs $25,000 more than the Mustang, so at that price, it should.
@deanP382 obviously we shot 2 different cars for logistical reasons.
@E90lover I think it would be a pretty close race on a road course, and even closer on a dragstrip, and M3 drivers definitely have something to think about....
@teachersnightmaree this is a new 5.0L engine, not the old outdated one from 15 years ago.
@AndyVortex88 we had to use 2 different cars for logistical reasons.
@sexr17 Vaughn Gittin's drift car makes 585 at the wheels on a stock 5.0L bottom end.
@xMasterQueefx When we make videos such as this one, or the Fiesta review, we don't get to take the car home for a week and think about what we're going to say, write it out, that kind of stuff. We get a total of 2 hours with the car, on a specific Media Launch route, on a specific day. I have to do an entire review on the fly, in a single take, and with no room for creativity or error.
@ls1z28chris The Camaro SS, with me driving, ran a 9.24 @ 78 mph. The Mustang GT, also with me driving, ran an 8.63 @ 87 mph. I have heard that some drivers got as low as an 8.85 in the Camaro and an 8.40 in the Mustang, but I didn't personally see it. We film as much as we can given very tight time and budget constraints. If you're that disappointed, you should get a camera and do better.
@Greendude33 Every journalist, people who literally drive cars for a living, drove the new Mustang and said that the live axle is totally fine, because Ford spent millions of dollars adjusting other things on the car to dial out all the axle hop and everything that people don't like about LRA's. No matter how it looks under the car, based on the numbers on the skidpad, and the feel on the road, I think they did a damn good job. Before you assume an IRA is the better choice, you should drive one.
@NigguhJason I do prefer a 6 speed over a 5 speed, because in most cases, a 6-speed allows all the gears to be closer together, improving acceleration times. It may not increase power (what sort of idiot would think an extra gear increases power?), but it certainly improves performance to go from a 5-speed to a 6-speed, which is why the top of the line version of your precious Evo is a 6-speed, and the base model has 5 gears.
@SuperStreet04 base price, $31k, price as tested, lots of options, $41k, every option possible in a convertible gt, $48k.
@Greendude33 Why would you take an axle setup, that Ford has put millions of dollars of research into, and rip it out, simply because you assume that an IRS will make the car drive better? They tested GT500's with IRS and Live Axle, and they found the Live Axle to perform better. Case and point, the Camaro and Challenger have IRS's and they both handle worse than the Mustang. The new GT, with a live axle, will beat an 04 Terminator around a road course without breaking a sweat.
@Curveball and just so you know, a friend of mine bought a base 5.0 with only Brembo's and 3.73 axle and spent $29k on it. Like I said, the cheapest 400+ hp car you can buy.
@BigBoyBato They are both fun, great performinc cars. I haven't raced them both on a road course, so that would be a tough judgement call, but in a straight line, it would be a slaughter. the Ford is definitely more spacious and made of better feeling materials, but the handling still isn't as "tight" as the 370Z. However, the Z I drove got super hot after about 5 laps around Spring Mountain, and the GT was run hard all day long with no problems, so I'd say the Mustang would probably be a better
@Model192 If ford said the 5.0 is hard to modify, why does it come stock with the extra pulley you'd need to install a supercharger? The Mustang is the most modified car in history, and Ford would have to be very stupid to build a car that people can't customize on their own, as so many Mustang owners do. In fact, they really encourage it. Ford is not stupid, so the 5.0 engine will be as modifiable as any previous Mustang.
@gospartans123 I have a C5 Corvette, an Aston Martin Vanquish, and a Ford SVT Raptor as a daily driver and camera car.
@ubcs109 it has replaced the 4.6 engine entirely.
@TheSmokingTire track car. I wouldn't be surprised if the Z held its value more over time though....
@TheMagicalBikeCrew I wouldn't just bet the Mustang is much faster than the Camaro around a race track, I would bet that it's right on the bumper of an E92 M3 or an RS4.
@ESPsandEmgs how does filming with 2 different cars constitute being "full of shit" yes, we filmed with 2 different cars, for a good reason: time constraints. I tested the blue car from the intro, and the exterior shots were of a C/S car because that's all we had time to film.
If I'm such a big Ford fanboy, how do you explain the Corvette thats sitting in my garage right now?
@nicnlac There's nothing about it that's specifically bad for a Family, other than being a high-horsepower, rear wheel drive, coupe. I have only driven the Mustang for one day, in California, and, well, you saw the weather. I have no idea what it would be like in the snow, but like any other car, snow tires would be a massive help.
@Marioamdz we use titles and descriptions in our videos, so you know exactly what each video is going to be before you watch it. It's very simple, if the video is of a topic you're not interested in, don't watch it.
@jgtemplars if real sports cars only have two seats, how do you explain the Porsche 911? Or the Aston Martin DB9? Or the Ferrari 612?
@E90lover Customers should start taking delivery in May I think.
@fordxbgtfalcon my test car had nearly every option available checked off. A friend just bought a 2011 GT with 3.73, Brembo's and nothing else for $29,500.
@DarkHour404 it would be more than the difference of trading in your car for a new one.
@kylexps read the video's description.
@dodge69874 I don't know who gave you that information, but I just checked with Ford's engineering team, and the engine will handle up to 10lbs of boost on stock internals no problem.
@AJballer Congratulations on your purchase. I'd bet those 3.55 gears have everything to do with the lack of low-end power feel in your car vs. my test car.