The Core Four Problem & Maple Leafs Free Agency Outlook
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Steve Dangle goes over the Toronto Maple leafs cap situation and explains why the Core Four is causing more harm than good. Then, he shares who he believes Toronto should be targeting in free agency.
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53% for 4 guys tell you a lot about this team
Whats crazy is if you add in Morgan Rielly since he's their other expensive player is their cap hit is probably 60%or something, I don't have the numbers but would love to know how his contract impacts things. It's not good for the Leafs spending (probably) 60% on 5 players. Madness
@@Halo3clanFSOG yeah I was thinking the same thing, this is why the leaves aren't able to produce as much as other teams because the use all their cap for a few good players.
Good job dumbass Kyle Dubas.
@@Rick-C-117and Shanny
It's over
At this point they are running it into the ground not running it back
They're running it back into the ground. 🤣
Only if you think they are any worse off than almost every other team with stars.
@@Frameboy71well they are worse off, no other team has close to 4 players making %53 of the cap.
@@Frameboy71tell me, how much money does colorado pay for their top 4 players? Is it 46 million? Nope. It's 37 million. That's 2 forwards and 2 dmen btw.
well said
The leafs always have the same problem. Need defense and need a goaltender. You would think they would figure it out by now
They have. The Dubas theory of we can outscore our 20+ deficiencies was let go, and Marner has a NMC. Its like sitting in the waiting room
Goalies are voodoo! Don’t break the bank on one. Develop your own - which, the Leafs have been poor at doing… Woll is actually very talented and could be great…but , he hasn’t shown to stay healthy yet. Fingers crossed.
@@RB-oc7ti bold claim when Florida just won the cup with a 10M goaltender
The Leaf players put themselves above the team. No team is going to win with this culture
Is that because of the players or because of coaching? All a player can do is play how the coach is telling them to play.
@@OlDirtyBaronI think what he was saying is they did not take a discount to stay. Other teams star players seem to accept less to stay together
Tanev. Roy, Montour, Pesce, Carrier, Hakkanpaa...Any one of those guys would be perfect, especially Roy. To get more than one would be even better. The Leafs have a change to improve their blueline quite a bit this year for nothing but cap space. I'd have no issues offering Roy Brodie's deal or even paying a little more. Tanev is awesome, but his age and injuries make that harder to do. Montour will want the moon and likely won't leave Florida. This team needs dmen that can move the puck to the forwards. Year after year they fail to score when it counts.
Treliving to Woll: "We want you to be our long-term starter" (guaranteed money? Woll signs immediately). Treliving to Jones: "We want you to be our 3rd string goalie. And just to entice you more, we just signed Woll again, so you're basically going to be our backup for half the year whileWoll is on IR again. Does that sound fair?" (Jones signs immediately)
I hope they sign Ilya Lyubushkin it would be great to keep him ❤
100% gotta sign Corey Perry, making the finals is better than losing in 7 in the first round
No way, Jose
Jake Muzzin was really good before the injuries and shot right Steve!!
The other risk - how many players do we lose to the new professional 3 on 3 league ?
Apparently their salary cap is pretty BIG.
For example run it back with all of them, and then what options are available to fill the lineup, that would demonstrate your point
Oilers fan here, I was a leaf fan also my second Canadian team, but when they got tavares and the entire summer of hearing marner B-tchin about leaving over seas, I have so much disrespect for the leafs…. When they get rid of marners and tavares I’ll think about being a fan of the leafs (second team)
What about Sean Durzi I mean they select him in the draft?
What about are old Pal Jack Campbel I would think that the Oilers would like to move him and might retain a lot. He played well for the Leaf's and he is good in backup situations.
Agreed, now that the Oilers are buying him out, Leafs should try to bring him back at league min.
The MATH IS ACCURATE!!! 😢😢😢 THIS BLOWS MY MIND! MORE $$$ and less to use on other/new players!
This offseason is gonna be intense
Watch it be how it always is , okay guys were keeping the exact same team as the last 8 season with the core 5 , and we will add in 3 more bottom six guys and we will be golden :) lol
They will spin it as " we didn't like the offers for Marner, so we decided to resign him at 13 million".
@@scottmiller8617 oh ye and people will be dumb enough to expect a different outcome , like marner and the core 5 here will finally find there balls and play playoff style hockey and actually give af lol
It won't be for Toronto, they will just stay the same
The leafs need big steps from Robertson and Liljegren (if they keep him) Knies is a good player but need him to be more active offensively. Also need a goalie obviously but shouldn’t overpay for a saros at this point. Could be one of the teams kicking tires on Gibson although probably not too hard due to cap hit. Should be seriously pitching a pesce, skjei or montour in free agency but again that’s a big cap hit to take on with the core 4 making so much.
If the Leafs are forced to keep the core 4, then this year will be a repeat of the last few years. I like Joseph, and a couple of unfortunate injuries doesn't make him injury prone. I felt Nylander should have been traded a couple of years ago because of his inability to fight in the corner. One needs to go to have any chance to acquire better defense.
Demko for Nylander you get the goalie you need and free up 6 ish million towards a dman you need we get a winger for petterson AND FREE UP CAP SPACE ( by not signing Gunntzal and keeping Demko) which frees up cap space to sign big z and possibly add Toffolie
I'd rather see Nylander go than Marner tho, less versatile in the special teams. I'd also be ok with rolling the dice this year to get JT's contact off the books without losing a player like Marner in the long term. They need to start lowering the upfront and putting a cup or at least finals bonus in the contracts, entice them to perform in the playoffs... It's not like they're no good, there's 31 teams a year that don't win the Cup. They need to be much better for that money though.
"If they donthis again, they ain't gonna be very good."
Lol That is simply incorrect. Lots of things can happen
Looks like domi Bertuzzi may go to free agency
Tanev, Talbot, Perron, Lubushkin. No Bert. Maybe Max.
Lets stop calling them the core four and start calling them what they really are, THE HEARTLESS FOUR!!!
Uh boy. Who knows what will happen. The right-shot D is critical for sure. I dunno, not holding my breath for next season...
is there any chance the leafs could just buy or trade JT and their first for some much needed relief?
What's happening to CapFriendly?
They were bought by the Washington Capitals
Gone. Purchased by Washington Capitals for their exclusive use.
@@johnsummerhill8323 Oh that was an actual thing!? I thought that was just a joke about the PLD trade! LMAO!
sign Ethan Bear and is a right hand shot
Justin Holl is the only rookie defenceman in League history to score in their debut game and then the following game.
Sounds like they should sign Samsonov ..... to play defence.
I hate to admit that i am curious about watching marner under Berube. Mind you, if a trade that makes you better i would prefer that. I don't want to see him traded for the sake of it. Most teams don't recover from thise trades.
Also want to know more people haven't mentioned Debrusk. I would take him over Bert. He has beat us in every playoff series.
Trev needs to play hardball with Marner and Ferris... either accept a trade or enjoy the AHL for your contract year.
Looks like the only real change this year will be our coaching staff with bigger changes in 2025 after JTs contract ends.
Steve, I agree with most of your assessment. I will, however, say this. I liked Bertuzi, I just don't think he played himself into a raise. If they have to pay $5M to him, I'd look elsewhere like Debrusk.
I'm thinking if they can squeeze Domi and Bert at $4M/yr then you try find a way.
likely keeping the core four... I see 2 possible trades that could occur that Marner just might accept.. Edmonton Oilers or New Jersey Devils not sure what you get for him but going to a Stanley Cup Champion likely feels good with Zack Hyman there would be a excellent pair ups front...
If Faber wasn't the future captain and heart and soul of Minnesota, i would almost package him.
The only analysis I am interested in watching...
Tbh trading Matthews wouldn't be the worst idea cause he is being paid so much. And there will surely be takers unlike Marner without retention.
Steve we are so screwed man. The FA crop stinks. I'm finding it harder and harder to imagine a Marner trade will happen and shake up this core.
I feel like it's going to be another year of running it back to my seasonal playoff depression.
Could a should a , shaymus stevenson , but they know best. I remember how the passed on jagr stating they didn't want that kind. How are we liking the matthews kind?
Hakanpaa is 6’5 not 6’7
I wish we had a Steve Dangle Buffalo Sabres edition
If I wasn’t depressed about the Bud’s future before watching this upload,I sure am now.Thanks Steve,you’re a pal.😂
All joking aside,I subscribed and yes I would like David Peron,but do we have the clout to swing a deal?
It hurts less if we just close our eyes and don't analyze anything, just let it happen.
Nothing will happen
@melvynobrien6193 let it happen means whatever happens and that includes nothing so thanks for clearing that up.
Marner to Pitt for Karlsson. PP will be awesome.
The salary cap and management overpaying has screwed this team
Marner and Shanny need to kick rocks, it’s time for new direction.
cam talbot with the leafs would be a really good option imo, as long as marner is out im happy😭
Please have leafs sign Dumba, you will go nuts watching him try and play defense. Your views would go way up.
Hear me out, move Rielly and give his 7.5MM to Montour. Get Roy at 5MM, get Dumba ~1.2MM. Try and trade for Chychrun.
Chychrun/Montour
McCabe/Roy
Benoit/Dumba
Reilly has a NMC.
Its over, theyre screwed.
ya but they will have alot of guys that will be off the books
Aaaaaaannnndddddd... yet, according to CapFriendly, the Leafs are not in nearly as dire a situation as Steve "The Sky is Falling, plz click subscribe" says. The Panthers are not that far off with their Top 4 and they have THIRTEEN UFA's. Edmonton is in a bit better position, but Leon is going to want $13m and Hyman is going to be looking for a raise too. They have 12 FA's. The Leafs have 12 FA's but several are guys they don't want to keep and 4 are RFA's.
Early in the video, Steve: The leafs are spending 53% of their cap on 4 guys.
Later in the video, Steve: I don't know if the leafs are in gonna be in that wheel house in terms of spending ability.
Bro, they are trying to get into that wheel house with square wheels. I'd be surprised if they can afford gum on their salary cap
Leafs are screwed. They can't do anything until at least Tavares is gone. Thanks Dubas.
Leafs will not win anything with Austin Matthews in that lineup. They need to dump Austin Matthews, Tavares and Marner. They can obtain a solid group of balanced depth and talent.
If the Leafs get LB it will instantly make them a cup contender
Let's run it back...give Marner that 8 year extension. Yeah!!! Right Steve? 😅
I wouldn't mind seeing Tavares contract out in Toronto, Nylander was paid too much because of the other contracts, Matthews and Marner are bad influences on Nylander... Matthews I don't believe is happy in Toronto and would prefer to be on the US west coast, Marner for as good a player as he is is a child.
I'd look to ship out Matthews and Marner, done deal, for me they'd be gone!
Then you can think about building a team with the right culture, no more crazy contracts, none of this "core 4" shit.
If they don't want to play in Toronto then f*** off to Utah or wherever and play there.
Compensation for the Toronto media circus and demanding fans? Please!!
If they resign Marner, get ready to not make a cup run for another 4+ years.
I like bertuzzi but anything more then 5 is insane because bertuzzi fell off last year , id rather have domi at 4x4
Ufff.... #Leafs FO (Shanahan) confirmed insane.
gotta sign Domi, get rid of Tavares and Nylander
Nice video Steve, honest and intelligent . Toronto has some worries about Marner and the cap to make a team. If Marner stays two things are going to happen, one is bad season no good players to fill roster, second is viewership could go down.
Seth jones with retained salary for a bag of pucks
I'd love Gio to come to SJ and mentor these youngins
The leafs lost in the playoffs because they didn't score yet everyone's looking for defense and goalies... What am I missing?
Polak and what if we brought back REIMER OPTIMUS REIM
I bet they resign marner and let jt walk next season..
This team causes me physical pain
Let's have us all laugh and have Mitch Marner have a pay cut
I've watched a bunch of "what should the Leafs do?" vids and I gotta say, this was the best by about a mile (sorry - 1.4 km). Having said that, it'll all change depending on whether Marner stays or goes (me? I say 'go' but oddly enough Treliving has never called to get my input). But maybe he should talk to Steve.
Hi Steve
Taneyv in Carolina . Yummy
Since leafs like collecting high price vets, how about Coots for a 7th rounder? 🤣
IF THEY RUN IT BACK I PROMISE I AM NOT WATCHING THE LEAFS. I am done with this core and this team until they break it up!!
Bye.
The 4 wimps
Not going to be happy if this “4-core” roll into year#9!!!!!👀🙄🥱😴🤢🤮
#shitsgettingold
#shanaplan
#dejavu
Give the core 5 all 88 million dollars then hire volunteers from Toronto beer leagues to play as interns. 😂
And Dave Ayres
@@jchristner82 And he works for MSE, too!
I’m pretty good at D I can help for free beer
or we could use our prospects instead of giving them away to be stars on other teams.
@@neonwired4978gotta give to keep up this salary structure lol
IMO domi is a need to come back Bertuzzi is a bit of a less need but still would be nice
Domi at a reasonable price....
Leafs are on the decline. Their day was 2 years ago now. The core is dysfunctional and Tavares is too old. They will not do what needs to be done either.
100%. The team needs a rebuild. It reminds me somewhat of the Detroit Tigers and Red Wings of the early 2010s. Clinging desperately to stars that take up a massive chunk of salary, missing on or trading away prospects, and only barely making the playoffs. A sad slow decline into mediocrity.
Thays why paying them big miney up front qas the worse idea then again its a front dor the league to not have the leafs or any Canadian team win anything ... The fix is on
@@davemago8880 There's no "fix:" it's all down to bad management and bad ownership
They aren't on the decline at all lol. Their best players are in their prime. It's just a matter of freeing up some cap space and building around them
@@krazyshady902 I don't think you really see what's going on with them. Having that many guys making that much money isn't sustainable and healthy. That's why the decline is happening. You keep two and build around them and create depth. No one on the core is accountable. Edmonton will win before Toronto even has a sniff at a conference final
Offence gets all the glory, but Defence wins the game. 🏆
You say this right after the Panthers won the cup
@@nonoman305 Are you saying he's wrong?
I’m a leafs fan. I don’t know if I’m ever right? 🤪
@@robrick9361 I'm saying there is many ways to win
@@nonoman305that literally proves his point Offensively the panthers are outgunned by the Oilers but they only allowed 1 goal
Perry. Get Perry then scratch him in the finals.
I’m a Bruins fan 😈
They won’t win a Cup, but they will get to the final
Was joking with my brother that the Perry Curse is the answer to the Leafs Curse. Won't get a cup, but we'll make it to the final.
The only complication is that the only time Perry hasn't made it past the 1st round in the last 5 seasons...has been against the Leafs, and no-one beats the Leafs like the Leafs. Either way - worth a shot😂
@@teeganreed7989 They’ll probably go up 2-0 against whatever team Nic Robertson goes to and lose the series in 7 with him scoring the game winner
@@contratoronto5868 You can’t lose to the Leafs if you join them… actually you can 😂
@@teeganreed7989 this man wants to curse us more than we already are
Shanahan is the problem at this point
This.
8 years on
It is beyond me why this clown hasn't been fired, he is actively holding the team back. If they sign Marner, it is 100% this dipshit that drove that through and I would not be surprised if Brad resigns if he does that.
I agree 100%. He should have been gone loooooooong ago
No way lol
At least get a player that will put Marchand through the glass.
Getting Marchand for the Leafs is a good idea; some grit, now that these buffoons got rid of Kadri
@@melvynobrien6193 I might even sign a deal with the devil for a cup. 😈
@melvynobrien6193 I hate him but fuck it ❤😂
Right now, Leafs fortunes run through Florida and Boston. You either have to get through their defenses or be able to have one better than theirs. Both are much easier said than done but the former is more plausible right now.
Matt Roy should be the RD that the Leafs target.
I'd buy that jersey
As a massive London Knights fan and from the area where he is from, do you think Easton Cowan can make the Leafs next year, I think he can but I am extremely biased
Similiar path as Marner. Too good for OHL and can't go to AHL...Let him play the minimum 9 or 10 games and go from there
Minten too!
Sad News Sergei Berezin passed away at only 52 years old. RIP.
Really like Matt Roy. He gets a 5x5
The leafs need a starting goalie
The Leafs need a whole new team!
Take brosouit he is a great goalie, jets had the best tandem of goalkeepers this season, he could be a starter on alot of teams...including Toronto
3 good defencemen also. They need to restructure the whole team if they want to succeed. Best course might just be to wait out Marner and tank next year. Or then retain on Marner and trade him to a contender and start building the backend this year and with Tavares of the books next year go all in.
I'd rather see Montour and especially Roy over Tanev becauce of their ages. but Montour could only be fit in if Leafs manage to trade marner with return that doesn't bring much of salary and are either young players or/and high draft picks.
So many good players to fix leafs but would have to trade 1 or 2 of top 4 contracts. Is gm capable of doing all this probably not
You can talk about the core 4 but I think the coaching staff make a big difference.
they’ve had multiple coaches under these 4
Marshall Rifai is LH/LD Steve
2 many numbers... Holy shit,.. lots to think about..
The logic in this video is so accurate!!! How come their management doesnt get it???
Don’t need a back up goalie, get sarros
Need to draft a #1 defenceman still. Unlikely until 2027. And Tavares made a ton of money in TO so far, so he may take #2 mil for 2 years. Colorado had their Matthews/Marner/Nylander forwards in MacKinnon/Landeskog/Rantanen yet still went out and drafted Makar and Byram, so.....
signing tanev seems like it'd work out about as well as muzzin.
Atleast they don't need to empty the cupboards and trade away a 1st to get him.
Muzzin was great here
ya...they won so many titles with him before he was hurt every season.
@@Krokodilius Yeah because players aren’t good acquisitions unless they win the cup and stay perfectly healthy after 31
Ekholm is a bum, even more so if he gets hurt and falls off as a result