Instant Analysis - Timothy Liljegren Signs 2-Year/$3M Extension + Maple Leafs Qualify 4 Players
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- **This video was recorded before the Nick Robertson trade request*
Steve Dangle analyzes the Toronto Maple Leafs decision to extend defencemen Timothy Liljegren. Then, he goes over the players they decided to give qualifying offers to and takes a look at their current cap situation.
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I think a huge thing that people ignore with Liljegren is he has had one NHL and AHL coach in his life. Lets see him with someone new.
Right so everyone back in a couple of hours for the trade request breakdown and Tanev deal lol?
Oh, when I saw the $3m part, I assumed it was for the whole contract, not his cap hit lmao
Same 😭
He better be able to handle lots of minutes this season
Tbh I’m not a Leafs fan, but I do hope he’s able to live up to the contract
As Steve Dangle said in the video, the ability is there, it’s just a matter of performing consistently 🤞
@@madelyn1037you cap warriors don’t understand what it takes to win
@@pyromaniacpotato10right otherwise Steve is just gonna keep criticizing them while praising management🤦
As of right now - 10:15 pm on June 30th - the Leafs have $12,080,333 in Cap space to spend.
They need tp sign at least two decent D-men, a goalie, Dewar and probably 1 decent forward (Bertuzzi or his replacement).
after all of that, they'll basically be the same team as last season.
Start planning your tee-off times at the start of the 2nd round next season.
@ronmurray7349 lol
how about gives a flying fcuk! how about that.
Ur going to wait that long ? Buddy if Woll is the starting goalie next season the Leafs are not even making the play offs , The guy is INJURY prone and has been hurt every year he has played he is 26 he is not a kid any more getting hurt is who he is and it is not going to all of a sudden change for the better .
@@Kevinc2828let’s hire you then.
Neeep😅😅😅 Toronto cant think clearly anymore
Sean Durzi signed a 4yr/6M AAV contract, makes the Liljegren contract look fantastic
Im not convinced that Liljegren isn't trade bait. I still think he gets moved its likely easier to trade him when a team knows what hes gonna cost (easier to trade WITH a contract than without).
3M to play on the bottom pair with Benoit seems like poor cap management for a team where every dollar matters.
100% agree!
yeah, that could possibly be the idea.. OR, the Leafs have an eye on another veteran D man which would give them, let's say Tanev and OEL and have OEL mentor Lilly to see if they can get him to make that jump.. if not, it's a 2 year deal and could very likely be dealt at or before trade deadline.. not too bad of a contract to shed
No one wants that defenceman for 3mill who cant defend.. And if hes 6-7th guy on leafs on other teams he would be in ahl 2nd pair
@@mikko4973 Not true, on many teams he would play as the bottom pair RD, on others he would play as the 2nd pair RD. 3M for an NHL RD is fine and very movable.
Hes not bad, he just isnt what the Leafs want hes not a Brad D man.
If Liljegren wasn't a RH defenceman they would've let him walk. 3 million for a guy who can't crack your top 6 in the playoffs is an overpayment imo. I would be ok with him in the 1.75- 2 million range but 3 is too high imo.
Yep, easily a million-dollar overpay. Tre is carrying on in the long Leafs tradition.
He’ll be traded during the year if they get both Tanev and E-L.
@@profdave2861 I think he might be traded before the season starts, This feels like a sign and trade.
Why not just qualify and arb? So much money for a 7th D
@JohnnyWinslow15 honestly, an arb probably would've given him around the same. Just look at Holl's contract. That's why they should've just let him walk. Liljegren is still a useful #6 in the regular season, but 3 million is too much for a 6/7 defenseman.
I learned about the Nick Robertson news from the addendum on this video :(
i liked him, but him in and out of the line up must suck he deserves better
@@BrenTOR exaclty, end of the day its going to be best for him to go elsewhere because as much as I like him he wasn't going to fit in to the leafs plan
@@BrenTOR it sucks we wont get much value for him tho i would have loved for him to develop and get more value at least
@cndnclassics5874 could also be he wasn't liked very much by Keefe.
Maybe better under Berube if he wasn't going?
Send him to New Jersey to play under Keefe.
They should trade Nick Robertson to the New Jersey Devils, I heard the coach loves him.
Wouldn't that be great. 😂
Steve has hated him all season and then wondered why they were unable to move the puck in transition when he was out of the lineup. He's actually good at that price.
So you've seen about 75% of the leafs games eh?
No he’s not
Brad made some great signings/contracts over the past few days. This was not one of them.
They should have let Liligren become a FA. A cap strapped team like the Leafs can’t afford to make stupid deals like this. Shannahan must have a hardon for him.
Letting a player walk, that you don't want anyway, isnt horrible asset management. Sometimes folding is your best play.
Shannahan works for NHL head office.
Fools😂😂
The cap is killing the Leafs. Without cap, the Leafs could easily field an all-star lineup, year after year!
…so could every other team what is your point
Happy to see Treliving make some moves. I want to believe in him desperately, I still don't know where he's going ,but I hope other moves are coming
Ooof marone!! It’s gonna be another one of those years. Strap in and get comfortable.
Until Tavares contract comes off the books, and the Marner situation is resolved, this is the team we get. Basically the same as last with a few tweaks here and there.
It’s like deja vu all over again
My wife would confirm this; I was so happy and having a great time doing yardwork and cleaning for hours after the Domi signing. So happy to have him for 4 more years! Then I saw the Liljegren news... grumpy grump. What the hell Brad!?
What was Timmy's QO? I think it as 1.6 or 1.8M no?
Running it back!
Always run it back!
Give Berube a chance with him. Lily has a lot of skill. Berube might make a good system with him
Yeah, their coaching has been awful. Berube will expect, and preach, accountability.
Liligren is 25. Has played under 200 games. These idiots will be eating their words by next summer. Liligren will be their best defenseman over the next 2 years and will sign for 6 million plus. Guy can skate, move the puck and always has a good plus minus. He will take the next step this season. Great signing. Should have gave him 4 more years.
You better been joking😂😂😂 Toronto maple leafs are sinking
😂 Funny man
Hahah THEY NEED TOUGH DEFENSE ABOVE ALL MAN
Steve is forgetting the Salary cap at tomorrow is 96.8M (110%), teams don't have to comply with the 88M cap until Oct 4th.
I’m not forgetting that. They’ll eventually have to move out money if they go above the cap though.
@@SteveDangle apologies I meant you didn't mention the the ability to exceed the cap, not that you forgot it exists. Fan of your work.
During the time when Rielly was out and Liljegren was running the PP and doing it damn well I honestly thought he finally found "it".
But yeah, frustrating is a perfect word for the guy because oh boy did he ever NOT find "it" at all.
Really must be great to be a Righty D-Man though, you get free money just for being vaguely competent.
Who's here after report saying Bertuzzi will not be returning to Toronto
Good
He said that?
They don't have the money to keep him
That Domi signing is great value.
If he plays like second half Domi we're laughing
Liljegren is insurance but I predict to be the most improved Leaf player this year, if the Tanev deal goes through.
i'll sum it up with this. nothing changes if nothing changes.
that being said, it could be that the coach change will be enough for who they have and i guess torontos moto is "only one way to find out!"
I truly thought he was going to get the middle finger instead he gets a 100 percent raise wow just horrendous.
Liljegren not cracking Sheldon Keefe’s top six is more an indictment on Keefe and his stubbornness than Liljegren.
Yes the fact that mb Lily just STINKS had nothing to do with Keefe not playing him .
"Liltiger" I think we found Liljergren's TH-cam account boys.
Timothhy?
Let's not forget Liljegren did deal with some injuries last season that undoubtedly hampered him. That's not to say everything Steve said is not 100% correct, it is! But hopefully with a healthy season he can take some steps.
How can anyone be surprised liljegren got a raise. Despite being set up to fail and always in keefe's doghouse, liljegren looked good to the eye and even better to the analytics. 3 mil is REALLY good value
It would be cool if the Leafs Picked up Alex Nylander.
Tyler Bertuzzi is gone too
Timonthy is a dud. When the chips are down he folds. So you couldn’t get him for 2 a year? Management is useless.
holy fk, man - just quit watching them
@@CanTunaGuitar is he wrong doe
Let's see under a coach like Berube. Keefe was the one that scratched him. He might succeed in his system vs Keefe's system
@@CanTunaGuitar lol. people like car crashes
@@jamesnewman48 I wouldn't know lol. If you view this in the same world as a car crash, yet you stay - I guess you're speaking from experience.
Weird.
He know has a hard ass coach that will scare him to greatness!!
I knew they would run it back... They trapped themselves!! The NHL should outlaw no movement clauses or at lease complete no movement clauses. Like at best they get a 10 team no movement clause and the rest is open season!
This is hilarious. Nick Robertson wants a trade and Tyler Bertuzzi is not signing with the Leafs according to Dredger. Leafs fans can celebrate their mini win with Domi and get bombarded with all of this bad news...including Liljegren getting an unwarranted raise LOL
Bertuzzi was not worth what he made last season. So a raise would just not be justified.
Send Roberston to New Jersey as a FU so he has to play under Keefe.
Leafs can't afford Bertuzzi due to Cap. Gotta love the core 4!..... 😕
Yeah this raise is baffling
Did he say that?
But Steve, even with Marner still there they are not as good as last year. Do they even make the playoffs with Atlantic teams doing so much more.?
I would expect a David Perron signing tomorrow. He will always be a Blue.
Roght handed D-men are expensive.
Just proves these are hard times.
since this video released robertson declared a trade and bertuzzi is now gone. idk what to do with this team it seems like we’re completely hopeless unless we trade marner (which i doubt will happen with the talk surrounding him).
Lets trade our top points producer. Great idea. That'll make us better
Most fans were not happy with Bertuzzi.
@@Thisisbailie i like marner obviously but if we really wanna compete and get some of the big fish this year and balance out our offence and defence, i think trading marner is our best answer. either that or trading kampf and jarnkrok.
@@johnsummerhill8323 bert’s good tbh i like him. but i do think we can get a replacement for him (perron would prolly be the best option, if not stammer would be fun but i doubt hes signing with us). im just worried about us overpaying for players that arent difference makers, and being in the same spot as last year.
0:20 0:24 @@BiasedSportsFan Marner is not going to waive his NMC and even if he was willing, it would cost a lot of money for the Leafs to buy the clause and that money would go against the cap.
$3M for for Liljegren? LOL! 18 players signed with only $12.08M cap space left. You do the math.
stop forgetting about Noah Chadwick, he is an intriguing defense prospect
The Core 4 guarantees a 100+ regular season - a lot of teams would be overjoyed.
I am surprised the Leafs haven't tried to strengthen their defensive prospect core. As we saw in this "Year of the Defenceman" draft teams do not value players with potential to be a good 4th to 6th defenceman. Given defencemen take more time to develop it would indicate there are some near NHL defencemen in the AHL.
I dont see the Leafs winning a playoff round for at least a decade. The best versions of this group are in the past and even that was weak fart.
I hope next they sign Ilya Lyubushkin ❤
Ugh. Please no.
I would prefer they let somebody else sign him. And then give away a few draft picks at the deadline for him.
Kind of getting a Jeff Finger vibe here.
You're telling me that even if this went to arbitration, somehow the annual average would have been higher? I doubt it. This management (Rogers & Shanahan especially) seem to allow players to constantly dictate terms and cost.
Liligren has been playing with Reilly since almost since he was a rookie, guy can go end to end,if given the chance.
As a Canucks fan, I'm still mad the old management group let Forsling go after drafting him in 2014.
There's about five players I enjoy watching on the team. The rest could be traded and I wouldn't lose a wink..
I don’t get why you do this now. This is what you do on July 3rd after striking out on better options.
Leafs are screwed!!! Signing old man Tanev to multi year at $5 mil per. He is injury prone and only once in his career finished a season. Robertson wants a trade and Treliving signs Lilejgren to $ 3 mil. Oh! and Bertuzzi is gone!
Negative much?
Leafs ruining yet another relationship with a promising young player, making him want out of the organization... How many players have we drafted and developed into NHL caliber players only to throw them in the trash bin prematurely, extremely frustrating!!
I think, in Nicks case, it was his injuries. Leafs gave him chances but he kept getting injured. People came in for him and did the job, then when Nick came back he just couldn't get it going.. I thought he did really well last year but honestly think he was auditioning for other teams. Leafs may discredit it, but there were reports a few times last season that said Nick wasn't happy with the way the Leafs were treating him but who knows, we only hear a fraction of the story.
Double the cap hit now - Wow, this guy must have been so dependable and a rock on the Leafs' defense in the playoffs huh? .... Right?? Oh, well he must be hard to play against right? Right??
nah the real dependable guys in the playoffs made $11m each... oh wait...
🎉 so much content!
This might mean Marner is already gone, MR.TREE isn't stupid. he's got a plan
😂
I'll be surprised if the leafs sign tanev or zadorov.
Reports are Tanev signing with Leafs around 5mill avv. I'm not sure how many years, but Kevin Weekes tweeted it, I think.
This is a building season. Keep expectations low. The goal is to be ready to challenge for the cup in 2026-27
I guess the Leafs brass figure if they can't sign the players they want, Liljegren is going to be their Number 2 defenceman. I figured they would sign Bertuzzi or Domi, but not both. It will be interesting to see how Toronto rebuilds/patches together their goaltending and defence corps.
We all knew this was gonna be a tough free agency period without trading the likes of Mitch or JT. Not much Brad can do, I don't love the Liljegren salary bump but I think he's solid, he has tremendous potential and he's a needed defenseman for the club. Liljegren catches too much heat imo. Let's see what happens July 1. Adding Tanev and OEL would make our D-core so much stronger. I'd argue we would have a very, very good defensive grouping if we sign Tanev and get OEL signed as well. I wouldn't mind Lybushkin getting an offer, either.
the hole in goal remains
Video already outdated
LOL
NICK WANTS OUT!
How?
@@somneonfs Nick Robertson requested a trade, said he won’t re-sign with the Leafs
@@somneonfsnick Roberston is out allegedly
Let's hope he can find his groove and then stay healthy. That Timothy Liljegren is probably worth that money. But he's like Woll, he hasn't showed he can do that. So, it's a swing by management.
THIS BRUTAL SIGNING JUST ERASED HOW GOOD THE DOMI SIGNING WAS. For every good move this g.m makes, he then goes and makes two bad ones. He's NOT the guy who will take this team to the cup.
Well, there you go, Bertuzzi is not coming back. So, you have some cap space, but you need a starting goalie (because Holl has only played 30 games max, he will get injured, it will be a scary season for the Leafs, again), you need someone to replace Bertuzzi, and 5 million for Tanev... it's gonna be interesting.
I miss Hat Guy
I like you SOOOOO MUCH WHEN YOU DONT SCREAM!!!!
Liljegren wasn't very good last year...
I'd rather have a UFA dman over Lilly and Timmins who can handle the corners and break up a cycle. I like the kids, but they have never been effective against hard forechecks. This is especially troubling since the Bruins, Panthers and Bolts all live off of their hard forechecks.
Are there any Marlies who can make the leap to the NHL this year? That could be the cap relief they need.
Sounds like they want to give him a chance under the new coach. If he plays well, he could be traded like Sandin was for a draft pick.
I was in shock. No other team pays a number 6/7 inconsistent Lily 3 million.
cannot wait till this time next year...when jt comes off the board with his 11 million
...... wow........Liljegren thats about a 1 million dollar over payment per year
I think with a better coach Lilligren has a chance to improve. Keefe is stubborn as so many coaches are, and refuse to give him more offensive opportunities
Supposedly Nick Robertson wants out and has requested a trade
Smart decision.
Imagine going to bed knowing the leafs have 19 mil in cap space and then waking up to 7 mil in cap space for the exact same team minus Bertuzzi. And now trying to fill out this roster for 7mil, while knowing Marner dug in . what was Treliving brought in here to do again?🤔
I like this signing, hope he finds a way to be a permanent top 4 next season
Is a waste of money signing him for $3 million with limited cap space
Steve ,
If u stop with the high pitch squeals I will sub ….. let me know , thanks .
Missed out on Zadorov, but we got an inconsistent 3 mil lilipad. Damn dimwits!
Assuming what you say, and Marner is still in the mix- then it’s all on Berube’s shoulders
We have no money, but everybody gets a raise
Basic response from someone who doesn’t even know how much cap space the leafs have
@@Aaron-ii2vo not enough
@@Aaron-ii2vo Basic response from someone who doesn’t even know how much cap space the leafs have
They have money.
@@leaf16nutI’m sure they have an enough.
Let's go Lilligren
All I want this off season is Zadorov and Debrusk.
Even if we get Tanev locked up, I still want Z.
Yikes... I hope he gets better.
Bert not coming back per insider
Nice deal 👌
He's a waste. Worst leaf decision.
thought the title meant 1.5m per and thought, meh? then you said 3m PER YEAR. LOL
Lilly can be good. Give him a chance as 3rd pair D.
Like the Domi contract. HATE this contract for TL.
bertuzzi not re-signing
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Hi steve ❤
Show us the Liljegren vs Rielly analytics pls.
Saying "Liljegren HAS to be better" is something. For an RHD (of which there aren't many) he's already played better than 3m. Probably loves the city, because that's a discount.
Rielly as a left-handed (there are dozens with his overall abilities) makes triple the money. Need some relativization here.
How long have you been searching for an RHD?
Don't you think it's the same for every franchise?
RHD's might make more money while playing worse. Supply and demand, kick and scream about it, or learn playing right handed yourself and accept the fact that it's hard.
Nobody told me there would be math!!! 😡😡🤣
The amount of groupthink and inability to understand this very simple game among this fanbase is shocking. There is so much surplus value on this deal.
Here’s my thoughts. The leafs are tossing around money and apparently in on some big fish still. Do you think this may reflect their confidence in a Marner trade?
Elias Lindholmand Nikita Zadorov each signed a contract with the Boston Bruins on Monday. Boston will be good again next season and in the future! Leafs I hope they make it to the playoffs next year and get past the first round. It does not look good for the Leafs in the future.
Looks to me like Cowan will be a leaf this year, I think they're banking on his low cap hit to help out on the front end. Knies will be a top line player this year, he looked good in the play-offs and showed he can do it. Then you have McMann, Cowan and Dewar to fill out the left side. Still not confident this team will do anything in this upcoming season without moving one of their core 4 contracts out but it's looking increasingly unlikely thats going to happen. Lilly is an overpay, and sadly the leafs can ill afford that with how tight their cap is!