Gordon Murray is definitely my idol as someone who wants to become an automotive engineer. Especially his concepts of revolution, light weight and driving experience.
@@m_g_khatravinsky do you know if they talk about the coming TVR Griffith? There's not much information about it out there and I'm considering listening to this podcast only to hear if there's any news about it.
This was one of the best episodes so far, if not the best! It's a shame people did not appreciate this and it has so few views compared to other episodes. Awesome technical discussion with one of the sport's engineering legends. Gordon's insight to the fan car and the BT55 was downright thrilling. Thanks for your work Tom!
Now this is something really special. Murray ain't just a successful designer, he was innovator and important piece of F1's history. And a wonderful human being.
As a South African and F1 fan for the past 35 years, this is a very special podcast to me. I have looked up to Gordon as a role model my whole life. I did not think Beyond the Grid could get any better, and then it went to another level.
Tom, you raise the bar again 👍 Outstanding quality. Thank you Gordon. The long form interview is truly alive in podcast land. Guys like Gordon could easily do a multi episode series.
I am a South African and have always liked, admired and Respected Gordon. I love the way his cars looked and went... However being the hugest Nelson Piquet fan, he is the reason for the truly beautiful amazing BT52 and the success Nelson enjoyed at Brabham. Gordon, Bernie, Charlie, Herbie and Nelson.... What a glorious time
This one could have lasted 3, 4 hours and it wouldn't have been enough to me. Careful, too much charisma in this podcast it could blow your face off ! Thanks, very much.
One of the very, very few engineers who can explain in layman’s terms what designing a car is all about and get you highly interested. Fantastic speaker.
Thank you very much to let us know more of the most relevant engeneer in modern F1. Some young fans must know legends such this one. Keep up your great work!
As a fellow South African, Gordon Murray is an inspiration to all on the African continent. He is living the dream of the local F1 fans and motor sport engineers. Keep on pushing forward Gordon and keep on producing awesome podcast like these.
In my humble opinion, the 1983 BT52 'Dart' is one of the most stunning F1 cars ever designed. Looked like nothing else on the grid. Even today it still looks awesome.
Mr. Gordon Murray - The best and the greatest contemporary Design Manager Engineer! I cannot understand why 99% of rich supercar and industrial production car manufacturers do not understand that weight reduction is always the answer to vehicle efficiency that remains constant regardless of powertrain types.
If you're seeing this, I urge you to listen to the interview with Steve Nichols on the "JayEmm on Cars" TH-cam channel. The idea that the McLaren MP4/4 was designed using lessons learned from the Brabham BT55 seems not to be the truth. I have always been a fan of Gordon, but Steve Nichols deserves credit for designing the MP4/4.
Yep! The MP4/4 was Nichols' brainchild! According to Steve, Gordon wasn't at all interested in designing another car and his job was being a Technical Manager, not a Cheif Designer. He had inputs (suggestions) on the gearbox linkage and the monocoque moulding (which Nichols ended up accepting), but that was about the input Gordon had on the MP4/4. So, enough bragging about the MP4/4, please, Mr. Murray.
McLaren did their first carbon fiber chassis in the US, because no one in the UK, at that time, was mastering the technique of unidirectional carbon cloth layering, which John Barnard wanted. As Gordon said, riveting carbon fiber panels was a no-no, which led to structural failure. A future episode with John Barnard would probably shed more light on the fact 😉
Unbelieveble how the british press underesfimate Nelson Piquet. I have heard Alain Prost, Bernie and Murray interview and all says Piquet was the most conplete driver they have deal with...
the british press only care about moral victories - i guess that is all they have to sell papers . . . real victories are almost impossible for them to find they think that their hero, who was beaten by his team mate by 24 points, while suffering from major concussion and was playing by the team's and engine manufacturer's rules still somehow won a moral victory
This is my Second Beyond the Grid after Kimi´s Interview. Very exited to listen how Cars were before 70-80s Gordon Murray´s Hybrid F1 car 2020-2021. Just in dreams.
This the beyond the grid I'm really waiting for! I think Nelson could be a brilliant choice. Just wind him up and let him talk until he's fed up and leaves.
Also, bya few degrees of separation, I know the guy that made the first tyre warmers for mcclaren... I wonder if he ever had a word with Nelson on the sly..
There should be interviews with all the legendary Designers. After Gordon Murray John Barnard should be next. Then Adrian Newey and Rory Byrne need to be interviewed. That would be a great series of interviews.
Greetings F1 channel. Subtitles for every video would be an amazing thing to have, is it not? I'm talking about TH-cam's subtitles that you can add with, so you can watch either subtitled or without. Doesn't bother anyone, everyone wins! Old people, deaf people, etc... really need this. I ain't stopping complaining like this in every video until you finally do something about it. Every big channels did the subtitles already you know.
Loved listening to this. Introduced to Gordon from an F1 documentary put out by Red Bull. He stuck out to me in particular discussing strategic pit stops & fuel to lap time calculation. Would like to get the One Formula book but it’s out of my price range currently. Close to $275 US. But I hope to see it somewhere for less
apologies for the cliche (but for good reason) this one is the best episode of BTG fascinating insights on the early development of cars.. more of this yes please!
Patrick head was telling Honda for years that the oil filter was in the wrong place on the v6, being underneath the engine. If they copied the cosworth oil scavenging design it could have been 33mm lower. Honda were in love with senna though. and ducarouge persuaded Honda that the 87 lotus could win races with a Honda engine & senna onboard, and that they didn’t need the low engine. Honda didn’t want to supply two engine designs so stayed with the tall engine. Williams was designing a lower car for the low engine for ‘88, but senna and Honda and the ‘low’ engine went to McLaren. So Patrick head deserves some credit for the ‘88 McLaren.
That says it all... But Tom just skirts over it and focuses on Senna and that really upsets me.... He did the same on the Jean Alesi interview when Alesi talks about how Nelson was amazing to him from day one in F1
I'm a fan of Gordon's fan car... 👋 Alpine has it since the start, Merc has it since Interlagos, RBR had it for the last race (for Check only?). (2020) Turbos... I think. (Article 3.7???) Actually, the MP4/4 was a (kind of a) fan car from the German GP (1988). It's in the Steve Nichols interview...
This interview did not age well in light of the letter that was written and signed by all the McLaren designers of the MP4-4. That letter documented the egregious inaccuracies in Iam Bamsey's book about the MP4-4. The sole source for the MP4-4 was Gordon Murray. If Gordon was actually involved in the detailed design of the MP4-4, then why did he get so many details completely wrong? The reality was Gordon was not involved in the detailed design of the MP4-4. He was operating at the Corporate level at McLaren. But once it was successful, like so many self promoters, Gordon took credit for work he was not involved in. Listed to Steve Nichols commentary about the MP4-4 and judge for yourself. Which person's statements ring true? Murray is a great designer who did not have to take credit for others work to pad his resume.
I know I’m late, but something interesting is that it appears that Gordon’s philosophy is what led to the great success of the MP4/4. The car was clearly related to his Brabham but with a Honda engine which fixed the issues of the BMW he had at Brabham. Gordon demanded a low profile engine in order to suit the needs of his design and even Nichols has noted that the engine was a huge contributor to the MP4/4’s success. I don’t know more than the next fan, but it has always appeared to me that Gordon’s philosophy on design led to the success of the car even if the technical details were done by Nichols and his team. I don’t believe those ideas are contrary to one another.
I missed opportunity to talk about many drivers he worked with. Tom Clarkson is unbelievably unprofessional. It is always about Senna. If he interviewed anyone he would find a way to talk about Senna. Despicable.
Could not agree more... Tom Clarkson is biased, un professional and does not respect his guests, but leads them Murray says Piquet is best all rounder and Tom just plays dumb because his dead idol was not the best.
Andddddddddddddddddddd so do I...… Tom Clarkson wont as he is anti Nelson Piquet.... What is amazing is how amongst the people that have integrity and count Nelson is highly rated as he should be. Listen to Alistair Caldwell talk about best driver he worked with, listen to what Gordon says is his best allrounder he worked with. Ask Frank Dernie about Nelson, listen to Jean Alesi Podcast.... list goes on.... Its the biased British Press(Nigel Roebuck, Maurice Hamilton, Peter Windsor at the time) who have tarnished the legend that is NPKYes I am an unashamed open fan
Everytime I hear your voice I keep wondering what it looks/feels like to be you, Tom. Wouldn't it be a good idea to give us exclusive behind the scenes footage of F1 press conferences in the future? We've had drivers' briefings, what about my idea?
I must just add it is very veryyyyyyyy clear that Tom Clarkson is anti Nelson Piquet and almost doesn't want to see what he was about and how he was respected by others. Jean Alesi talks about how Piquet helped him in his early years and Tom just skirts over it. In this interview Gordon Says Piquet is the best allrounder and that includes working with Senna in the incredible 88 season. Tom doesn't even take it further but focuses on Senna like he is a gay school boy in love with Senna. Sorry but that is disrespectful.
I'll happily write the whole episode down for you. But if you want to understand something better, let me know what and I'll post it here. I'm not a major in English, but with spell checking readily available I will be able to provide you with a script.
Gordon Murray is definitely my idol as someone who wants to become an automotive engineer. Especially his concepts of revolution, light weight and driving experience.
Newer fans: "Adrian Newey is the greatest F1 designer of all time"
Murray: "Hold my 2H pencil and graph paper"
Brabham BT 52 and Mclaren MP4/4 ... No need to say more!
Not only F1, he also developed the McLaren F1 and the chassis of the recent TVR Griffith
And the lad loves Dylan!
For the record, Newey still designs by pencil and paper.
@@m_g_khatravinsky do you know if they talk about the coming TVR Griffith? There's not much information about it out there and I'm considering listening to this podcast only to hear if there's any news about it.
This was one of the best episodes so far, if not the best! It's a shame people did not appreciate this and it has so few views compared to other episodes. Awesome technical discussion with one of the sport's engineering legends. Gordon's insight to the fan car and the BT55 was downright thrilling. Thanks for your work Tom!
If Adrian Newey is the "Einstein" of F1
Gordon Murray is the " Leonardo Da Vinci"
Colin Chapman is the Da Vinci, Gordon Murray is Newton and Adrien Newton is Einstein
@@fredury Oops, obviously was still thinking about that lmao
@@Obi-WanKannabis Right enough.
Gordon to Leonardo is a good comparison, he sounds like a renaissance man
Colin Chapman is Tony Stark than.
Now this is something really special. Murray ain't just a successful designer, he was innovator and important piece of F1's history. And a wonderful human being.
Certainly has his place amongst the great inovators of this sport.
As a South African and F1 fan for the past 35 years, this is a very special podcast to me. I have looked up to Gordon as a role model my whole life. I did not think Beyond the Grid could get any better, and then it went to another level.
I feel Super-proudest.... knowing the Gordon Murray is from my town Durban, South Africa.... 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Thank You for bringing here the Great Gordon Murray. I'd love to here next Nelson Piquet
Tom, you raise the bar again 👍 Outstanding quality. Thank you Gordon. The long form interview is truly alive in podcast land. Guys like Gordon could easily do a multi episode series.
I am a South African and have always liked, admired and Respected Gordon. I love the way his cars looked and went... However being the hugest Nelson Piquet fan, he is the reason for the truly beautiful amazing BT52 and the success Nelson enjoyed at Brabham. Gordon, Bernie, Charlie, Herbie and Nelson.... What a glorious time
Beyond The Grid has been great, but by far this is the best one yet. Finding the technical figures more amazing than the drivers!
Totally agree too. Some drivers are entertaining but hearing the behind the scenes from them is more interesting to me.
THIS is Formula One.
This was pure inspiration for me, I listened to this whilst drawing out a package drawing for an automotive design project at University
This one could have lasted 3, 4 hours and it wouldn't have been enough to me.
Careful, too much charisma in this podcast it could blow your face off !
Thanks, very much.
Great interview, and yet it only scratched the surface of Gordon Murray's career. What a legend!
This has to be my favorite so far, more from the technical side please.
One of the very, very few engineers who can explain in layman’s terms what designing a car is all about and get you highly interested.
Fantastic speaker.
Just when I think these episodes can't get any better, you go and put out something like this. Absolutely amazing! Thanks!
I heard that Gordon Murray is making the first ever production supercar to have a bloody fan sticking at the back of it!!
Yes he is i think we get a look at it in November
Great to see this - wishing you all the best!
How the hell could anyone thumbs down this? This was an amazing episode.
probably because some of it is not true.
Gordom Murray's new car (t.50) is insane, if it becomes reality that it.
Look it up
Tomi Vuori they are making them on sale in 2022 it’s on top gears website pal
He reckons it'll beat the Valkyrie and AMG One. 😁
Tomi Vuori it will be insane but I think his T27, in terms of design, is more important
Ttthhhhheyre heeeeeere....... reality is now upon us. Now, how to hold up a bank........
We need an Mika hakkien interview
...........yes
The best technical formula 1 podcast I have listened to🙌🏼
Thank you very much to let us know more of the most relevant engeneer in modern F1. Some young fans must know legends such this one. Keep up your great work!
Great interviewer. Simple, direct questions, lets him answer fully without interruption.
As a fellow South African, Gordon Murray is an inspiration to all on the African continent. He is living the dream of the local F1 fans and motor sport engineers. Keep on pushing forward Gordon and keep on producing awesome podcast like these.
In my humble opinion, the 1983 BT52 'Dart' is one of the most stunning F1 cars ever designed. Looked like nothing else on the grid. Even today it still looks awesome.
Can you interview Adrian Newey at some time in the future?
the future is in the past.
th-cam.com/video/X-1OHBf33TM/w-d-xo.html
also buy his book
Mr. Gordon Murray - The best and the greatest contemporary Design Manager Engineer!
I cannot understand why 99% of rich supercar and industrial production car manufacturers do not understand that weight reduction is always the answer to vehicle efficiency that remains constant regardless of powertrain types.
Again, brilliant interview! And the tidbits of info, that fill in the story lines. Love these!
This interview is pure GOLD!
If you're seeing this, I urge you to listen to the interview with Steve Nichols on the "JayEmm on Cars" TH-cam channel. The idea that the McLaren MP4/4 was designed using lessons learned from the Brabham BT55 seems not to be the truth. I have always been a fan of Gordon, but Steve Nichols deserves credit for designing the MP4/4.
Yep! The MP4/4 was Nichols' brainchild! According to Steve, Gordon wasn't at all interested in designing another car and his job was being a Technical Manager, not a Cheif Designer. He had inputs (suggestions) on the gearbox linkage and the monocoque moulding (which Nichols ended up accepting), but that was about the input Gordon had on the MP4/4.
So, enough bragging about the MP4/4, please, Mr. Murray.
It would be great if you could film these interviews for TH-cam, would add another level of entertainment!
I could listen to Gordon Murray for a living, 8hrs a day no problem.
McLaren did their first carbon fiber chassis in the US, because no one in the UK, at that time, was mastering the technique of unidirectional carbon cloth layering, which John Barnard wanted. As Gordon said, riveting carbon fiber panels was a no-no, which led to structural failure.
A future episode with John Barnard would probably shed more light on the fact 😉
I have pictures of Gordon Murray at the Las Vegas GP helping the team pushing the car from the garage to the track, a real hands on guy!
What a legend, I could listen to him for hours!!!
YES YES YES new podcast listened to the rest of them and one of the best engineers in F1
Tom Clarkson is contractually obligated to set an alarm for 4AM, walk to his bedroom window and scream "BOSE!" at his neighbours
Unbelieveble how the british press underesfimate Nelson Piquet. I have heard Alain Prost, Bernie and Murray interview and all says Piquet was the most conplete driver they have deal with...
the british press only care about moral victories - i guess that is all they have to sell papers . . . real victories are almost impossible for them to find
they think that their hero, who was beaten by his team mate by 24 points, while suffering from major concussion and was playing by the team's and engine manufacturer's rules still somehow won a moral victory
This is my Second Beyond the Grid after Kimi´s Interview.
Very exited to listen how Cars were before 70-80s
Gordon Murray´s Hybrid F1 car 2020-2021. Just in dreams.
Excellent! thank you Tom!
Legend isn't enough of a compliment for this man
Would love to have one of these with Carlos Reutemann.
Oh yes, that would be amazing! Still a shame that Williams was against him as he had the chance for the title... -_-
@@Arrows Williams wasnt against him. Carlos just needed too much support to win.
Ever heard of the Falkland Islands?
Love listening to this
Lazits Is Q but i cant understand english😕
Brilliant interview. Now it's time to talk to Piquet to clarify some topics. Nelson always said that the tyre warmers were his idea...
This the beyond the grid I'm really waiting for!
I think Nelson could be a brilliant choice. Just wind him up and let him talk until he's fed up and leaves.
Also, bya few degrees of separation, I know the guy that made the first tyre warmers for mcclaren... I wonder if he ever had a word with Nelson on the sly..
Nelson's whole demeanour is friendly, fun and mischievous. Find me a single interview anywhere where he wasn't approachable humble and kind....
There should be interviews with all the legendary Designers. After Gordon Murray John Barnard should be next. Then Adrian Newey and Rory Byrne need to be interviewed. That would be a great series of interviews.
What a class act, a pleasure to listen to.
Greetings F1 channel. Subtitles for every video would be an amazing thing to have, is it not? I'm talking about TH-cam's subtitles that you can add with, so you can watch either subtitled or without. Doesn't bother anyone, everyone wins! Old people, deaf people, etc... really need this.
I ain't stopping complaining like this in every video until you finally do something about it. Every big channels did the subtitles already you know.
Loved listening to this. Introduced to Gordon from an F1 documentary put out by Red Bull. He stuck out to me in particular discussing strategic pit stops & fuel to lap time calculation. Would like to get the One Formula book but it’s out of my price range currently. Close to $275 US. But I hope to see it somewhere for less
What a legend!! Please, convince Ron Dennis to do one of these interviews!
apologies for the cliche (but for good reason)
this one is the best episode of BTG
fascinating insights on the early development of cars.. more of this yes please!
Thank you for this.
In my opinion the greatest name in f1...wot a legend
Simply, wow.
35:37 I wonder what that is.... 🤔 Oh, I know that! 😄 36:25 it's this part!
The body building was also awesome! 😁
Patrick head was telling Honda for years that the oil filter was in the wrong place on the v6, being underneath the engine. If they copied the cosworth oil scavenging design it could have been 33mm lower. Honda were in love with senna though. and ducarouge persuaded Honda that the 87 lotus could win races with a Honda engine & senna onboard, and that they didn’t need the low engine. Honda didn’t want to supply two engine designs so stayed with the tall engine. Williams was designing a lower car for the low engine for ‘88, but senna and Honda and the ‘low’ engine went to McLaren. So Patrick head deserves some credit for the ‘88 McLaren.
Tom Clarkson thx again for all these podcasts! How about trying to get Peter Sauber?
THANKS Formula 1 for listening to your fans!!!
Listening back to this now that truth has come out about the MP4/4 is quite funny.
Oh yeh, cuz Steve Nicol invented the Fan Car and McClaren F1 now too😂. GTF! Gordon was Steve (and the hole McClaren teams’) boss.
Fantastic interview. Well they all are but this one's above the others!
Wow this is a surprise to be sure but a welcome one
Wouldn't it be great to get Gordon Murray and Steve Nichols (the designer of the MP4/4 together in an interview.
Both Murrays are the best
Who here got the notification and saw Muarry and got excited cus they thought it was Muarry Walker lol
Murray Walker beyond the grid had already happened
How about beyond the grid with Jenson Button?
36:33 about Nelson Piquet
That says it all... But Tom just skirts over it and focuses on Senna and that really upsets me.... He did the same on the Jean Alesi interview when Alesi talks about how Nelson was amazing to him from day one in F1
@@michaelpashut1696 yes, he talked so little about Piquet... he is such an interesting and complex character
Watta journey. Love this interview and thank you.
Not to be confused with Gordan Ramsay
THIS DOWNFORCE IS RAW
WHERE IS THE DOWNFORCE?!?!?!!?
Where's the lamb sauce
I'm a fan of Gordon's fan car... 👋
Alpine has it since the start, Merc has it since Interlagos, RBR had it for the last race (for Check only?). (2020) Turbos...
I think. (Article 3.7???)
Actually, the MP4/4 was a (kind of a) fan car from the German GP (1988). It's in the Steve Nichols interview...
This interview did not age well in light of the letter that was written and signed by all the McLaren designers of the MP4-4. That letter documented the egregious inaccuracies in Iam Bamsey's book about the MP4-4. The sole source for the MP4-4 was Gordon Murray. If Gordon was actually involved in the detailed design of the MP4-4, then why did he get so many details completely wrong? The reality was Gordon was not involved in the detailed design of the MP4-4. He was operating at the Corporate level at McLaren. But once it was successful, like so many self promoters, Gordon took credit for work he was not involved in. Listed to Steve Nichols commentary about the MP4-4 and judge for yourself. Which person's statements ring true? Murray is a great designer who did not have to take credit for others work to pad his resume.
I know I’m late, but something interesting is that it appears that Gordon’s philosophy is what led to the great success of the MP4/4. The car was clearly related to his Brabham but with a Honda engine which fixed the issues of the BMW he had at Brabham. Gordon demanded a low profile engine in order to suit the needs of his design and even Nichols has noted that the engine was a huge contributor to the MP4/4’s success. I don’t know more than the next fan, but it has always appeared to me that Gordon’s philosophy on design led to the success of the car even if the technical details were done by Nichols and his team. I don’t believe those ideas are contrary to one another.
My fave F1 designer !!!
I missed opportunity to talk about many drivers he worked with.
Tom Clarkson is unbelievably unprofessional.
It is always about Senna. If he interviewed anyone he would find a way to talk about Senna.
Despicable.
Could not agree more... Tom Clarkson is biased, un professional and does not respect his guests, but leads them Murray says Piquet is best all rounder and Tom just plays dumb because his dead idol was not the best.
How about beyond the grid with Mika Häkkinen?
I'd like to have a podcast with Ralph Schumacher, Heinz-Harald Frentzen or Eddie Irvine please
hahahahah
@@juansdf1 ?
Three amazing drivers - that would be so cool. Me as a Frentzen fan would love to hear Heinz-Harald on beyond the grid.
The people want and demand Nelson Piquet!!!... Or at least I do
Andddddddddddddddddddd so do I...… Tom Clarkson wont as he is anti Nelson Piquet.... What is amazing is how amongst the people that have integrity and count Nelson is highly rated as he should be. Listen to Alistair Caldwell talk about best driver he worked with, listen to what Gordon says is his best allrounder he worked with. Ask Frank Dernie about Nelson, listen to Jean Alesi Podcast.... list goes on.... Its the biased British Press(Nigel Roebuck, Maurice Hamilton, Peter Windsor at the time) who have tarnished the legend that is NPKYes I am an unashamed open fan
@@michaelpashut1696 , I culdn't agree more
Everytime I hear your voice I keep wondering what it looks/feels like to be you, Tom. Wouldn't it be a good idea to give us exclusive behind the scenes footage of F1 press conferences in the future? We've had drivers' briefings, what about my idea?
I must just add it is very veryyyyyyyy clear that Tom Clarkson is anti Nelson Piquet and almost doesn't want to see what he was about and how he was respected by others. Jean Alesi talks about how Piquet helped him in his early years and Tom just skirts over it. In this interview Gordon Says Piquet is the best allrounder and that includes working with Senna in the incredible 88 season. Tom doesn't even take it further but focuses on Senna like he is a gay school boy in love with Senna. Sorry but that is disrespectful.
Nelson Piquet, the least deserving mult-championship winner.
nutsackmania absolute rubbish
Piquet is a wanker! Who cares!
Crixus Mauperthuis Cmon, to say Barrichello was better than Senna. You’d leave Senna out of a top three of Brazilian drivers.
Very interesting podcast in my opinion even more interesting than the one's with the drivers.
article 3.7 :) I'm fan of that reg
Please interview Ron Dennis
Amazing
Hmmm just watched a video that changed my mind about old gordon he likes telling a few pork pies.
Please subtitle
I'll happily write the whole episode down for you. But if you want to understand something better, let me know what and I'll post it here.
I'm not a major in English, but with spell checking readily available I will be able to provide you with a script.
E5v
Do a interview with Nelson Piquet
They can't do that because he would talk about his son, crashgate, Flavio and how his son got blackballed from F1.
It'd be great to have JB on the Podcast sometime. Maybe during the British GP weekend.
Gordon Murray is God!
Espectacular !
When are you going to interview Steve Nichols?
Did that a few weeks ago. Debunked Murray. That was beautiful!
Can you add subtitles?
Please invite Mauro Forghieri....
This is the shit I'm subscribed for
Video podcast please for 2020
02:55 Hahaha! 👍
Does anyone know what the music is on this podcast?
Its called "BOSE make the Greatest Headphones in the World Y'all", a double A side. Always reminds me of the GTA San Andreas theme tune.
he was the best
I'd love to see Adrian Newey design the fan car.
Actually it may be happened by the end of the year. Turbos...
Ron Dennis pls
10 adverts? really?