My biggest issue with this story is that the first guy asked for your trust, then proceeded to hand the watch around the table. Regardless of whether the watch came back pristine or not, both of you were aware that this was not what you agreed to when you handed him the watch. My advice would be to not put any trust in this person again, for any reason (watch related or not). EDIT: Also, given the location and direction, I'm guessing it was an accidental scratch from a diamond ring, and that the person who scratched it was well aware that they did it, but didn't fess up.
I hear you, but being that I have already battled with this in my own heart, Id rather not hold any grudges against the guys. I totally blame myself, I should have known better Lesson learnt 😊
It seems unusual that someone who knows nothing about handling watches would ask to see your watch. So I imagine the conversation had turned to Watches somehow and that’s what got such folks interested. Painful lesson learned but now you have an excuse for next time.
Thought provoking video 👍 . My attitude is, I buy a watch to wear so I can tell the time, if I wear it, it will get scratched, I'll say bugger and then get on with my life. However, this wasn't scratched by you and that makes a big difference. Recently, I have taken to just wearing inexpensive watches, I find I get just as much pleasure choosing, buying and wearing them with zero stress, because I can afford to replace if necessary and no one wants to rob me.
Well said! That is an almighty scratch from just handling a watch… it looks like it fell to the ground, hitting something on the way down! That is the reason I wear Damasko. My DC67 has been on my wrist for years as a daily, dropped and smacked against a door handle/jamb multiple times…. and not a scratch, not even a scuff. It looks as good as the day I bought it. Solution: wear Sinn or Damasko and then you can loan it to a friend.
@@edteach3r you can scratch watches just by looking at them 😭 rings can scratch them, seat belt buckles can scratch them, door frames, desks in general. There is no point worrying about scratches they are completely unavoidable in everyday life.
@@Weakeyedominant I agree wholeheartedly, as my collection of 36 watches will attest 😊. I also concur with D Underhay that scratches I add are of no concern and, for me, add to the character and my memories of the watch. I don’t sell my watches and, apart from a few that I have gifted to friends and family, have kept them all since I started collecting in the early 1970s. Then again, I would not feel that way if such scratches are detrimental to the value of a significant timepiece (e.g. Rolex, which I cannot afford in the first place) or if I were to flip watches for profit. The only watch that I baby is my Heuer Autavia, a watch that was a gift from my wife on my 60th birthday, a grail watch 50 years in waiting that holds a special place in my collection. Now, when I buy a piece beyond the average Seiko price point, I buy Damasko and Sinn in tegmented steel as they maintain their original appearance despite daily wear. Those watches could be sold for a decent price in the future, if my family so wishes.
Honestly Peter, the person who handed your watch round the table was totally disrespectful of you, as were the others. Were they aware of the value of the watch, both in monetary and personal terms? If they act in this way here, would they be different in any other circumstances? I would lose trust in these people. I'm so sorry that you had this experience. If it was me I'd let Omega remove the scratch, but people feel differently about this. Your experience is a lesson for all of us. Thank you for sharing what was obviously a difficult experience for you.
I think generally, people have no clue on the value of luxury watches. They likely think it's worth a couple hundred bucks. But less than a apple watch. They probably think Rolex is worth 2-3k and is the most expensive.
Great video Peter. It would be upsetting for me if someone else scratched my watch. I’m very careful not to damage mine but still it has happened occasionally. Recently I scratched my new Houtman. I first became upset. Then thought to fix it. Now just live with it as this is a long term watch in my collection.
The value really shouldn’t matter. You should be able to trust your friends to handle your things with respect. Even if it was just $100 Timex people should be handling it with care. What kind of careless moron scratches a watch simply by holding and examining it anyway? And in this case that was a pretty gnarly scratch. Did the person drag it across the serrated edge of a steak knife? It’s made of high grade stainless steel for christ sake. It’s not easy to put deep scratches in that type of material.
Yeah, f those clowns. I had an intuition simply from your channel that there was something of that sort going on with those around you. Ditch all of them, they do hurt you & the greatness of your content.
I had an issue at a local jeweler, who I wanted to resize an awkward double-sided screw bracelet. The relatively old lady who I handed it over to dropped it, then thumped it down back on the counter, before unceremoniously throwing watch and bracelet into the same small plastic bag. I almost asked for the watch back, but couldn't bring myself to make aa issue of it as the shop have done lots of good work for me over the years. I had a nervous few days until I collected it, and thankfully it was undamaged, but suffice to say I'm now looking for an alternative shop.
After six decades I've learned the hard way Don't sweat the small things in life especially a scratch on a watch Though there are something's I tend to tread lightly with but at this point No worries my collection will and is being passed down to my magnificent son and daughter So maybe they should comment instead of myself Another fantastic video Thanks as always my friend 👍
I took a diver off while putting xmas tree together - put it down in safe area in kitchen. 10 mins later I hear the unmistakeable sound of a watch going down 😮 Follow-on convo with Mrs included me handling the question “what’s the problem”? Currently learning to live with it. Same goes for the damaged watch. 😅
I got a deep scratch on the bezel of my Rolex Explorer-doesn’t bother me too much. Honestly, you can bang up your watch for 20 years have a good polish and it’ll look like new.
A great discussion about something that happens to all of us at some point. I had a similar thing happen to me… a friend put a decent sized ding on the top of one of the lugs of my first ever Speedy Pro. Because it was along the sharp top edge, there was no fixing it. I tried for over a year not to let it bother me, but it kept gnawing at me and I’d notice it every time I put the watch on, so I eventually sold it. I now own the new Speedy Pro with the coaxial movement and absolutely love it (especially the new bracelet) so all’s well that ends well.
The massive scratch is a testament not all people have respect. You don't need to know how to handle a watch to have respect for other people's things.
I have a tudor black bay I wear it all the time I am an engineer and it is scratched but I do not mind as it was brought to be warn as my wife says your not long on this earth so enjoy these things.
Recently I scratched my Omega AT as well after 6-7 months of wear. Initially it was a mix between shock and despair. A watch is a status symbol, but it is also a tool - I don't abuse it, but if I were to sell it, I would definitely get it polished. It's just that with every polish, the case gets less sharp and material is removed to buff out the scratch. So either way the watch is never the same as before, even if to the naked eye it looks brand new. So I say - take care of your belongings, but don't get too fussed about it when it does scratch.
Great topic Pete, and I will come out and say that seeing that scratch on your Omega made me feel bad, and very happy that you had it fixed. As for me, I'm an engineer plagued with OCD who has always taken extremely good care of everything I own...watches, cars, tools, toys, etc. Thus, in the case of watches, and although very rare, I tend to immediately get them repaired or replaced if not expensive. I have done the same with my sports cars over the years where I have to get any damage, no matter how small, fixed as soon as possible. I will confess that as I get older, I'm trying to relax and mellow a little more, but I find it difficult to do. In general, I use my things but have always been very careful and methodical. I'm also obsessed with proper maintenance specially of all mechanical things. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and those of your 5 friends. Now please, don't let anybody else touch your watches my friend 😁
I have an Aqua Terra on a vintage leather strap, all scratched, and love it. Got another pristine two tone Speedy, in my drawer... My dad used to abused his watches, he lived passionately, and now that he's gone, only have good memories.
I've been collecting watches on and off for about 15 yrs, and I'm really enjoying my ceramic Seamaster 300m because I can wear it and not worry about scratches. It's possible the case could break if i really screw up, but otherwise both the case and bezel are scratch proof.
Love what you did here: "Therapy" 😉 Glad it turned out well for you. That Omega team who fixed your watch is Top Notch! Looks brand new! (and you still have a good story to tell) For me, I really take care of my watches but I don't "baby" them b/c, to me, a watch is made to be worn. Mind you, I don't have very expensive watches and I have watches for specific occasions (beater, daily, dress, etc.) and if it happens to get a scratch, so be it. (yes, like John, I do cry a little, but I get over it) 😊 Thanks for sharing this story.
Pete, my answer to you is this: I FEEL YOUR PAIN. I got a similar kind of watch. I don't hand it to anyone. And if I had gotten such a scratch, I would promptly bring it to my AD for repair and pray to god he can do a miracle and bring it back. Really I feel for you man. Hurts. All the way up here in Canada. ☮️ Keep up the marvelous filming.
Hi Peter, great video as always! scratches or dents... or even deep dents on our favorite watches is a big issue for me too, that is why I only collect watches below $1000 and most of my watches are tough diver watch. By the way, I saw that today Urban Gentry has just uploaded a new video about restoring his rolex with "Laser Welding" You might wanna check about it. Sometimes polishing a watch is not fixing the problem if the scratch / dent is too deep... and we might over-polished the watch which leads to deformation of the watch case. Laser welding could cost much, up to $1000, but I've seen on many watch forums those laser welding watch restoration...... they have amazing end results (back to be.....like a brand new watch) recently this is more and more like a trend. I think as a watch lover you might wanna check this out!
I had this exact problem. I bought an Orient Ray Raven II as a reward for getting a new job. 10 days later I had to perform an emergency repair to my car and scratched the crystal and bezel insert. I ordered a replacement bezel insert from California (I’m in England) and an AR coated sapphire replacement. Painful experience but fun upgrade project.
Doesn’t matter how or who scratched the watch. No matter how careful I am is seems inevitable that I scratch my watch. The big issue is when you put the first scratch on a pristine watch. After the first couple of scratches it becomes a non issue. I prefer to buy used watches that look like they have already lived a life. That way somebody else has had to go through the first scratch dilemma. It also depends where the scratch it. If you see it every time you look at the watch it is much harder to live with. I have given in and refinished some of the scratches on watches. Try living with it for a while to see if it bugs you too much
Like you, Peter, I am very careful with my watches (and my cameras). But I accidentally scratched two of my best watches, a Rolex and a Tudor. Bought a Cape Cod cloth and fixed the scratches myself!
I expect my watches to be scratched, but I prefer that it's because of me and not someone else. In that situation I would try to diminish the scratch by re-brushing myself, would be a polished chamfer I would get it fixed by a local watch maker. I buy watches to keep them, and kind of passed the first scratches long ago.
Great Video. This is something I struggle with. I am like you , I want to accept them as character building but I just can't! Bugs my OCD like crazy. With my cars, watches, sunglasses or anything valuable I do my best to always keep them in new condition. Even with fine scratch's on the clasp, I use cape cod polishing cloths to bring them back to new. Honestly I am jealous of those who can scratch their watch and not have it keep them up at night ! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
i'm with Tony on this one, the scratches are part of your story with the watch that being said the scar on Peter's Omega was rather extreme, as if someone had sliced into it with a diamond ring and not something one might expect to happen when merely passed round the dinner table - especially not amongst a group of friends who value and appreciate you sharing life with them - so i would wonder that nobody spoke up and said they had damaged it by mistake, giving one pause as to whether everyone in that group was completely trustworthy even if it wasn't done maliciously, it shows a distinct lack of respect, and i might reevaluate some relationships in that scenario
Scratches done my myself are part of the story. Scratches done maliciously by others are another thing entirely. Seeing that every wear would just turn me homicidal.
Rule number one, never take out your wedding ring for someone to look at. Rule number two, never take out your watch for someone to look at. Rule number three - that applies to folks wearing a neck chain with a Cross or a necklace.Why ? It's as simple as that: those are very personal items, period. How about that, "can I check out your wife/GFriend etc. Yes, and I couldn't care less about anyone's opinion on this, that's my take. Regarding the scratch, there are two schools here. One prefers "marked" "damaged " "battle scars" and one prefers freshness and immaculate looks. Am with the second, get your watch sorted out asap, forget what happened and learn from your mistake, don't give your watch for someone to look at. Remember Pete, someone could av dropped it, far worse scratch/dent or even shatter the crystal. Merry Xmas Pete:)
Appreciate this video, the next time a non-watch person asks to see my watch I'm going to tell them to go stuff it. It really irks me because I can put myself in your shoes. I just never expected something like that could happen from just handling it.
Oh wow. I have the exact same reference with very similar scratches on the side of the case. It was however, caused by myself when I picked it up with my left hand and my platinum wedding ring put two scratches in the side. Feel you bro! To add on, the scratches happened months ago. It hurt like crazy for a few weeks, but I soon forgot about it. Somehow over time, the scratch seems to sorta smoothen out with wear, though still visible. So I agree with one of your friends. Do nothing. Soon you won't think about it.
Have it laser welded repair it is very impressive what they can do now! I had a Sinn repaired like that and I was blown away with the results! I hope you’ll have the lovely Aqua Terra repaired soon! Cheers
I wonder if this was one of my affordable Seiko's if I would feel the same way with a massive scratch in it..I think probably yes. Most of my Swiss luxury watches have fine hairline scratches, thats standard wear and tear and I live with that everyday as we all do. Thats character building to me..these are my watches after all and display my daily life marks on them. This dent and gash on the Omega was a little different to me, it was so deep and unsightly, I could not stand the sight of it, so i had it repaired. I agree with your point of view though regarding much more affordable pieces 👍 Thanks for sharing Dave, cheers brother
I have the same AT as you and I've come to accept SOME level of scratches given all the polished surfaces on the bracelet, bezel and lugs. It's the same for my other watches. Light wears scratches are unavoidable. Bigger scratches do bug me from time to time, but if I make the scratch, then I have a better time dealing with it. In your case, the issue is you didn't make the scratch in the first place, so rather than maybe holding a memorable event or occasion to that mark, you're just reminded by someone's carelessness.
The first scratch can be upsetting but then strangely turns into something quite liberating, "I've done it now so any further smaller scratches are fine". If it's a deep scratch or especially a dent, however, I might worry that it may have done some damage to the internal workings of the watch.
Watches, cars, motorbikes whatever. That first ding is a heart breaker. But I find it grants me the freedom to actually enjoy the object. The new is rubbed off and it’s truly mine now to use as it was intended. So once the tears subside, the rage over the injustice fades and the sulking is over, life goes on. Cheers.
Peter, I truly commend you on your patience & forgiveness because where I'm from, you scuff up my shoe, let alone scratching my $6k dollar watch, I don't care which of the 6 of you did it, that's 6 head up fades. I don't think the guy you entrusted with your watch should have then allowed someone else to look at it. Not gonna lie, I do hate scratches on my watch, especially when it's on polished parts of my watch. My most expensive watch is my Mido Ocean Star GMT & I've tried my best to keep it pristine. If it does get scratched it's not the end of the world though.
I would've had that Omega repaired too! That scratch would have bugged me big-time. That watch is well worth the repair cost. You would never stop looking at that scratch.
On a watch like that omega getting it fixed was the right thing to do ,even my beater cheap work watch is pretty good still .Mine are all ok ,the only two I wouldn’t bother too much about are a couple of bronze watches ,ones a Delma seashell that has patina all over it so on those they Look good and beat up anyway .but I prefer no scratches to be honest .My guitars are a different thing though ,scratches , dings and faded out and cream white coloured Gibson les Paul’s look better used Imo and you can’t help those getting a bit roughed up .Pleased you got it refinished ,looks perfect Peter .
Thanks Peter. A helpful video for someone mulling over a recent scratch on my first luxury watch. A quick and unrelated question if that’s ok - the black strap on the Omega in the early part of the video is that yours? Looks great! If so, are you able to share details on it? Many thanks and brilliant channel btw.
Biggest risk is door handles, washing machine, and falls. I love the marks add character and tells a story.. If one must polish it should be light surface finish only. Not deep dent repair...
A Black Bay was my first luxury watch (All Seiko before) so babied it for a while. Then I got the Rolex I always wanted. After that the BB become my daily and I moved home wearing it. Now it's scratched up I actually enjoy wearing the BB more because I don't worry about it and the watch is tied to my old and new home and it's my go to piece now.
I'm like you Pete. I take very good care of my watches and protect them as much as possible. That doesn't mean I don't wear them, I do. But I'm aware of all the pitfalls where I might scratch my watch so I'm careful. But yes, scratches bug me and I do the same. I get it fixed....
Reminds me of when someone asks to write with your fountain pen; you have to learn to accept the social embarrassment of saying no, as the negative consequences just aren’t worth it. Some people do take it badly!
Hi Peter, A very good thought provoking video. I believe the main problem is that you did not scratch the Omega when you were wearing the watch . I don’t like scratches on my watches but it happens and because I did them , it softens the blow or it serves as a memory to a place or time. I think you did the right thing and had the scratch removed. Cheers Dave
For me it depends on the watch - I have a few Pagani Fauxmega’s etc and if I do get one I’ll get my trusty selection of wet and dry paper and pads and re-brush the offending area or get the Autosol out if it’s high polish. I have even done this with a bequested Tag and it came up really well. This is probably not for everyone as I was a tableware modeller in another life so used to doing this sort of thing and also practiced on a few cheap gardening and garage watches beforehand. It’s just knowing your skill level and tossing up the price to have it done professionally and the value of the watch. I don’t think I would have had a go myself if it was my Omega!
It's not your fault at all, just something that happened. We can't control all aspects of our lives, especially when we share it with others, and thats okay. I have been in a similar situation where my watch was dropped 1m on to concrete and its an awful feeling, I remember feeling sick over it at the time. A lesson learnt for both of us and I would put my trust in that friend again. In the end I did sell the watch as the damage had a negative experienced attached to it. However, another watch I gouged while scuba diving is one I look at fondly all the time so it really depends on how the damaged happened for me
I'm sorry Pete, but I fail to see how a deep scratch like the one shown is the result of handling at a dinner table. This looks deliberate to me. As for the question, I agree with you. I would have had this repaired as you did. I would classify this as damage not wear and tear. I have a 24yr old Seamaster which shows its age, but nothing to draw your eye. I'm glad your watch is looking its best again and you can continue to enjoy it.
I look at it the same way I look at giving someone money. If what I'm handing them is something I can't afford to lose (or not get back 100%), I shouldn't hand it over and most people can respect that. Accidents aren't a test of trust, its a symptom. If its a watch I wear all the time and I don't mind the natural story wear, its ok. Sure, the first big one always hurts, but its not like its intentional. After a while it just becomes a reminder of both lessons and memories. Some you want to erase, and some you want to relive. "This scratch came from mistakenly handing it to someone and they passed it around... I wont make that mistake again and maybe I'll get it buffed out." - is one thing "THIS scratch came from taking my son on his first hike, and I will never repair it." - is completely different. The first line of defense is you. If you can't bear the thought of something happening to it, don't put it in that situation. If/when that time does happen, repair it or replace it if the money is no object.
Interesting video Peter. My take is this, in twenty years when you hand down your watch to a loved one, they will remember first seeing the watch and they will remember your younger years. Wouldn't you like to hand over something that has been through life with you, showing the life it has lived? We don't look the same in the mirror any more, we have character, life lines and wrinkles. If the watch we hand down is pristine, it hasn't captured our essence or our spirit at all. Isn't that really what you want to hand down? Just my thoughts. Love your vids and long time subscriber :)
No body has said 'it depends on the scratch ' surly that's the main thing. I don't mind tiny everyday wear scratches that you actually have to really look for to find, but you know they're there. But that is a big first scratch. (First scratch always the worst) you probably did the right thing, but don't do it for the tiny scratches that the watch will get over time.
Great video Peter 😁 I remember noticing the first scratch on my Black Bay. My immediate reaction was anxiety but after a few seconds I realized, my pre-owned Seamaster 300 arrived with an assortment of small dings and the odd scratch. It looked lived in and it made sense, it's bound to happen over the course of several years. In the case of a nasty scratch like yours, I can understand you getting it buffed out. It was pretty noticeable . The marks on my BB are very light and don't really bother me. I don't think it's practical to try keeping the watch in pristine condition.. Nothing looks new forever.
Excellent video as always. In my modest collection some are expected to get a bit scratched up, others I wear with extreme care not to scratch. In my case (😉) I don't intend on flipping or selling any of them.
Kudos for keeping your watches as prestine as you do! I collect to wear and enjoy them knowing at some point I'll notice a scratch. Like others mention it's upsetting at the time but then I get over it. I am careful as I can be with them, even going so far as to put little tabs of moleskin on inner lining of my jackets buttons or snaps to protect the clasp. I also learned the hard way removing a watch from wrist for a freind to look at, he immediately dropped it on the pavement putting a huge ding on my Fortis F41 case. #*$#@%! He offered to pay for repairs, I sent it in and decided to not hit him up for reimbursement. Chalked it up to "accidents happen". And now if asked to see my watch it stays on my wrist, unless I know they are an enthusiast. Cheers Peter !
My times work watch doesn’t have any scratches but there’s tiny dings/chips around the bezel and I think it fits. A beater watch should be beat up a little bit
Never take your watch of your wrist 😉. Ive learned this long time ago. Very good cast, I'm glad you did the comparison regarding their property. I've been called posh when taking extra care of my diving camera, only to see the same person loose his temper because a tank was placed on his fins without doing any harm. Apparently their judgement only goes one way! I'll be watching some of your friends They seem to be fake. I have the impression that this scratch on your watch was done purposely. Thanks for the video!
The first relatively expensive watch that I bought is my Unimatic. The very first day I dropped it ON THE EFFIN’ CONCRETE! What can I say now, it’s mine and it’s got the dent to prove it.
It's an interesting question. Basically I like my watches to look like new as long as possible. Of course almost every watch will scratch eventually, but I hope it somehow happens gradually, evenly and dignified in a sense. A scratch like on your watch is like a defacing wound or scar. I probably would do something about it, hand the watch over to an AD to get it sorted if feasible.
I lent one of my prized out-of-print books to a very close friend, breaking my decades old rule to NEVER lend my books to anyone. I forgot about it, and two years later asked for it back, and it was all puffed up because of water damage. I was absolutely gutted I will never break my own rule again. At the very least, he didn’t spill Coke or a sugary drink on it, but it still spoilt the book.
The first scratch is the deepest saddest moment on any watch that I have but I have them to wear them and accept that there will be a good chance of some scratches. The second scratch onwards is part of my journey with the watch. If there is damage that really annoys me then I'll consider getting it sorted. If I was thinking of selling a watch (perish the thought) that had marks I would consider getting it sorted depending on the value of the watch. But that's just my take. That first scratch really does hurt though. The scratch on yours would have likely been a decision for me to get it sorted though, that was a nasty one.
Interesting conversation, to trust or not to trust… the great outcome is dinner with mates & a scratch fixed! A sales man let a customer try on his smart watch the other day, the customer dropped it on the concrete floor - smart watch no more! All my watches show their wabi sabi, but I do wear tool watches on adventures or in the garden
It's pretty simple. If it bothers you, get it fixed. Ahh, 9:04, you got it fixed! Yep! For me, light scratches from normal wear are acceptable. A deep scratch I would have fixed.
The Omega service center will ad (micro weld adding of Stainless Steel to and inside the gap). Then they will sand down the weld till it’s even to the rest of the case. Then the final step is to brush the side of the case to match the rest of the brushing on the entire case. Then they apply and clear coats (if those apply). Then All Done. Coasts about 130 to 150.
If it's a huge, noticeable scratch then I would definitely get it fixed. Most of my scratches are near the clasp, or on the bracelet near the clasp, and I don't care much about them. Tissot PRX Chronograph and Hamilton Khaki Pilot Day Date.
I advise others not to worry, at the same time I dont accept them on my watches - I have no idea why the double standard, perhaps I advise them to do what I would like to be able to do myself. With watches I may flip I tend to remove the og bracelet without sizing it, and buy a decent third party option - this obviously stops and desk diving marks. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Bizarre story, passed around a table and received that level of damage? Glad you got it fixed. My very first "real" Swiss piece was the Certina Action Diver. A big leap for me then, going from $200 watches to an $800 one (this is prior to the now much cheaper Powermatic 80 version). First day wearing it, slapped into a door frame and dug a groove into the bezel. I was devasted, considering my much cheaper watches seemed far more robust. Thankfully, the new bezel was only $35 bucks, shipped from Certina, and the whole repair was about $65. I don't know, it's part of why I won't drop eight to twelve grand plus on a watch, since the more you pay, the more it hurts to see damages, and the pricier to fix. I prefer around a grand, or less, which just has far less worry with respect to loss, damage or theft.
I do take care of my watches but they get scratched eventually and I just accept that. I have scratches on my Longines and Breitling, not a big deal and I've learned to live with them as normal signs of wear and tear. Polished parts get micro scratches easily, buckle gets desk diving marks, it's all normal i guess. I enjoy those watches with those markings just like if they were new. To me it is primary to wear and enjoy my watches. As I said, I do take care, but It happens that I hit the watch sometimes (handrails, seatbelt buckle etc)
So, here's what I'd say. If I was the one who dented it, then I wouldn't really care because one of two things would happen: a) As it is, it's probably a watch that's a keeper for life (why else would I have bought it) so I don't really care. OR b) Even if I did dent it, I wouldn't really notice. I'm kinda rough with my watches in general (there are exceptions in my collection, of course!), so I don't really care. BUT, that comes with a caveat. Two, actually. First, if it was someone else's watch, then yes, I'll do my very best to handle it with care. The other person's trusting me, and so the least I could do is to repay it back by assuring them that their watch is in good hands. Second (and this is under the assumption that I own said watch), if this watch crosses a price bracket (i.e. high-horology dress watch), I'd handle that with care - of course, I wouldn't mind a hairline scratch or two, but nothing beyond that. As a car enthusiast, I'd agree with your friend there. Like your friend said, cars are a different story. A part of showing love to any car's character lies in how clean it looks, and so paint scratches, dents, or anything beyond that is a no-no, unlike the world of watches. Because even if cars and watches are similar, they're just not. Watches, to some extent are built to look good when they get dented. Cars exactly.....aren't. My two cents aside, I'm really sorry that this happened. I was infuriated when the lady at the US embassy dropped my new-old stock 1971 Favre-Leuba Duomatic, and created a bit of an impressionable scratch - not only because the watch was ridiculously hard to find in that particular condition, but also because it was a birthday gift to myself when I turned 17 last year (anyone reading this, feel free to hit me up if you want to hear that watch story because it's one hell of a ride!). But in a way, there's a bit of a double standard that exists - if I dent my watch I don't care, but if someone else does, I'd be pretty infuriated unless that someone is a loved one.
Got my Aqua Terra (ironically my wedding watch) sapphire glass scratched by my wife wedding ring on the 3rd day owning it.... took me 8 years before replacing it when i sent the whole watch in for service and polishing. Lol, it was on my mind 24/7 over few weeks before i decided that it was a unique piece now. 🤣
Even a high end watch that is used as a daily can develop the story of your life. The dinner party scratch you described is a killer though, I would be gutted.
My watches only leave my wrist for one thing, and one thing only. Swapping to another watch in the rotation. Nice of you to have handed it over, but I would not ever recommend it unless the other person is also an enthusiast.
I haven’t had to fix any watches due to scratches. So I think it would depend on which watch it happened to. Also, I wouldn’t let anyone touch my watch.
I crashed on my bike and my Certina diver got a deep bezel scratch. And it’s bracelet is riddled with light scratches. It’s how it’s supposed to be. The charm of steel is its durability. To me, steel watches aren’t cool if you treat them like porcelain. I won’t even buy a watch that I can’t handle getting beaten up, unless it’s a dress watch. I buy sports watches with the intention of them looking beaten up in 10-20 years time, just like my fathers 25+ year old Seiko that’s still going strong. I would probably get distressed if I got a crystal badly scratched though. That’s where the line is drawn for me. But that can easily be fixed by replacement or even polywatch
I can’t imagine what someone could do to a watch to create such severe damage in such a brief amount of time, short of dropping it. So sorry, Peter. Thanks for sharing.
A couple of scratches here and there are ok with me Rob. In this case however, it has a huge gash in it, it bothered me so off to the professionals it went, happy days now 😊
I am also a watch collector of luxury fine time pieces, anyone who says your first scratch on a watch gives it character obviously doesn't have the same level of appreciation but they may on another item or possession they have, its all relevant to each of us! I have been wearing fine watches for decades and in fact just had this conversation with my wife who can wear a new pair of shoes or a new watch and after one time of wearing then will have scratches or wear marks, yet I can wear a watch for years or the same pair of dress shoes for several years with what so ever no scuffs or scratches, it all comes down to being aware and the fact we are collectors and never want our investments to diminish in value, we just take care of our investments. If I had a scratch on my watch that is that noticeable I would take it to the jeweler and have it buffed out, it doesn't really cost that much and well worth the aggravation of me not stressing out looking at the scratch every time I wear it, hahaha This has been a practice of mine for years. Your exactly correct we who appreciate our things develop habits which carries into everything in our lives.
I'm glad you got it fixed because like you, it would have bugged the hell out of me...BUT, it's now been polished and it will always be the watch with a bad memory so I'd say sell it and get yourself another one, maybe that Deville with the snake skin (brick road) bracelet, that's a beauty 😃
Interesting point about care taken during photography bleeding over into watch handling. I suspect that might be the case for me, as well. Because despite a lot of clambering around outside in pursuit of a picture, for the most part my collection hasn't taken all that much damage. And when a watch does get a little wear it doesn't bother me a lot, since most of my watches are tools intended for vigorous use. Definitely in the "character" camp, generally. That said, I just bought a Serica California - as an affordable collector, at the top of my spending limit - as a personal reward for a milestone. On the second wear, I noticed an abrasion spot marring the bezel brushing. Very minor, literally no one would ever notice it (looks like a tiny finger smudge). In the context of a more commemorative/celebratory piece, *this* flaw is REALLY BUGGING ME.
Peter, great video when I saw your scratch, yep get it fixed. I have a Rolex GMT II with the polished center clasp and noticed just today a pretty heavy and deep scratch on the top end of the clasp. This is my only modern watch I keep in the safe (for safety) and was really disappointed because of all of my other watches, like you, really don’t scratch them like this. I may get it polished out…not sure, but your video may help me decide what to do.
Best of luck with that decision David. At the end of the day I personally could not stand the sight of the huge gash, so I got it rectified..job done 😊
Most of my seikos , rados are really durable. I have a few scratches on my sla043 from strap changes, basically because I haven't bothered to tape up before hand. And to be honest pete , it doesn't bother me one bit. I find my tutor gets scratched really easily , which is a bit annoying as I've tried to keep it new looking. At the end of the day , it happens and to me at least , I don't fuss over it. I don't buy watches to flip, just to keep and enjoy them . We all have a bit of wear and tear from life, so that's how I deal with it. That scratch on your omega would have passed me off , considering it was passed round to friends, its obvious someone's jewellery caught it whilst trying it on . Shit happens !!!
I don't have any high end watches like this, but I still like to keep them as scratch free as possible. Small micro scratches are inevitable if you're going to be wearing them, but anything worse than that I'd be gutted... Even on more budget watches.
This happens even at watch meets, people shuffle the watch piles pushing them against each other, and other "accidents"... I wear my watches but those are my scratches that I own versus mis handling
More than just a handling a watch, people don’t 😊have respect for other people’s property. You see a lack of that everywhere. Another example would be door dings in a parking lot.
Lesson learned. Hopefully it was a fun time otherwise. If that was my watch and btw that's my favorite Omega! If the money was saved id get a new one keep it in a safe in the box, but continue to wear the scratched one, after a while you may look back on the situation and smile, thats when you sell the new one, or maybe you are still bummed out about it and sell it to me at a tremendous loss 🤣 just kidding! I i was the one that scratched it, i would try to make it up somehow, offer to get it fixed or give you the cost difference between your damaged watch and a new pristine one.
Its Character building...IF...you're doing something of significance...tells the story of your life...something that, when, you pass it on to your children, they will be telling your story through your time pieces and the meaning each holds to them....the story...oh...my dad got this scratch because he had a moment of stupidity at a party one night...as opposed to....my dad got these marks digging ditches, feeding his family...served in the Army, Navy...Air Force, ran his business..put a roof over their heads, clothes on their backs...and the story is told....
Ooohhh that’s painful mate! Something similar happened to my speedy. Not pleasant. I was upset for a short time and then thought well what can I do. Not much. And so I accepted it and moved on. Placed in the character building bucket so to speak.
Hmmm Id like to say I have some form of knowledge upon this subject as I've been in the industry for around 2 years. (Only small but you pick up some bits and pieces here and there) personally I've sat there and debated with myself a few too many times how I feel about scratching watches. But that said I've come to a conclusion. Watches are going to get scratched either way. It doesn't matter how much you baby them and how long you baby them, one day you're going to do something accidentally and damage the watch. That said, there are ways to avoid it. The main one being, buy something used, that's slightly scraped up itself. I've bought new, and used watches, and I find myself too scared to wear my new watches. Whereas, something already scratched and scraped, I don't feel that anxious about damaging. Whether or not that is small or light scratches it doesn't bother me at all, because the watch was already pre-owned by someone who felt the same way. I could go on about such things but I feel like I'd be here a while. But that's my opinion
Hi, I love watches and I felt the pain when I saw your clip. When I scratch a watch, any watch in my collection, expensive or not, to me is like breaking a bone in my body. It hurst like hell but by time, it heals and the pain eases. I guess if the scratch bothers you so much, you try and fix it. Personally, I prefer not to brush off any material to have it removed and try and live with it.
My biggest issue with this story is that the first guy asked for your trust, then proceeded to hand the watch around the table. Regardless of whether the watch came back pristine or not, both of you were aware that this was not what you agreed to when you handed him the watch. My advice would be to not put any trust in this person again, for any reason (watch related or not).
EDIT: Also, given the location and direction, I'm guessing it was an accidental scratch from a diamond ring, and that the person who scratched it was well aware that they did it, but didn't fess up.
I hear you, but being that I have already battled with this in my own heart, Id rather not hold any grudges against the guys. I totally blame myself, I should have known better
Lesson learnt 😊
@@PeterKotsa I’m curious, what would you have done differently? How do you politely say no to removing your watch from your wrist?
I only wish I had any mates who GAF about watches and ask to see them....
True!
It seems unusual that someone who knows nothing about handling watches would ask to see your watch. So I imagine the conversation had turned to Watches somehow and that’s what got such folks interested. Painful lesson learned but now you have an excuse for next time.
That scratch (and dent) look way more severe than what would happen just passing it around a table - at least to me.
Seriously, I get people can be rough but how do you get a scratch like that from holding it? Were people banging it off the table?
@@HaonProductions scrapped off a diamond ring, surely
It is only an Omega, just throw it away and buy a new one.
'Sounds good' for insurance reasons though, right?
@@Sibbe2560 okay Rockefeller
Thought provoking video 👍 . My attitude is, I buy a watch to wear so I can tell the time, if I wear it, it will get scratched, I'll say bugger and then get on with my life. However, this wasn't scratched by you and that makes a big difference. Recently, I have taken to just wearing inexpensive watches, I find I get just as much pleasure choosing, buying and wearing them with zero stress, because I can afford to replace if necessary and no one wants to rob me.
Well said! That is an almighty scratch from just handling a watch… it looks like it fell to the ground, hitting something on the way down! That is the reason I wear Damasko. My DC67 has been on my wrist for years as a daily, dropped and smacked against a door handle/jamb multiple times…. and not a scratch, not even a scuff. It looks as good as the day I bought it. Solution: wear Sinn or Damasko and then you can loan it to a friend.
@@edteach3r you can scratch watches just by looking at them 😭 rings can scratch them, seat belt buckles can scratch them, door frames, desks in general. There is no point worrying about scratches they are completely unavoidable in everyday life.
@@Weakeyedominant I agree wholeheartedly, as my collection of 36 watches will attest 😊. I also concur with D Underhay that scratches I add are of no concern and, for me, add to the character and my memories of the watch. I don’t sell my watches and, apart from a few that I have gifted to friends and family, have kept them all since I started collecting in the early 1970s. Then again, I would not feel that way if such scratches are detrimental to the value of a significant timepiece (e.g. Rolex, which I cannot afford in the first place) or if I were to flip watches for profit. The only watch that I baby is my Heuer Autavia, a watch that was a gift from my wife on my 60th birthday, a grail watch 50 years in waiting that holds a special place in my collection. Now, when I buy a piece beyond the average Seiko price point, I buy Damasko and Sinn in tegmented steel as they maintain their original appearance despite daily wear. Those watches could be sold for a decent price in the future, if my family so wishes.
Honestly Peter, the person who handed your watch round the table was totally disrespectful of you, as were the others. Were they aware of the value of the watch, both in monetary and personal terms? If they act in this way here, would they be different in any other circumstances? I would lose trust in these people. I'm so sorry that you had this experience. If it was me I'd let Omega remove the scratch, but people feel differently about this. Your experience is a lesson for all of us. Thank you for sharing what was obviously a difficult experience for you.
I think generally, people have no clue on the value of luxury watches. They likely think it's worth a couple hundred bucks. But less than a apple watch. They probably think Rolex is worth 2-3k and is the most expensive.
Great video Peter. It would be upsetting for me if someone else scratched my watch.
I’m very careful not to damage mine but still it has happened occasionally.
Recently I scratched my new Houtman.
I first became upset.
Then thought to fix it.
Now just live with it as this is a long term watch in my collection.
Most people have no clue. I don’t hand my watches to anyone.
The value really shouldn’t matter. You should be able to trust your friends to handle your things with respect. Even if it was just $100 Timex people should be handling it with care.
What kind of careless moron scratches a watch simply by holding and examining it anyway? And in this case that was a pretty gnarly scratch. Did the person drag it across the serrated edge of a steak knife? It’s made of high grade stainless steel for christ sake. It’s not easy to put deep scratches in that type of material.
Yeah, f those clowns. I had an intuition simply from your channel that there was something of that sort going on with those around you. Ditch all of them, they do hurt you & the greatness of your content.
I had an issue at a local jeweler, who I wanted to resize an awkward double-sided screw bracelet. The relatively old lady who I handed it over to dropped it, then thumped it down back on the counter, before unceremoniously throwing watch and bracelet into the same small plastic bag. I almost asked for the watch back, but couldn't bring myself to make aa issue of it as the shop have done lots of good work for me over the years. I had a nervous few days until I collected it, and thankfully it was undamaged, but suffice to say I'm now looking for an alternative shop.
After six decades I've learned the hard way Don't sweat the small things in life especially a scratch on a watch Though there are something's I tend to tread lightly with but at this point No worries my collection will and is being passed down to my magnificent son and daughter So maybe they should comment instead of myself Another fantastic video Thanks as always my friend 👍
I took a diver off while putting xmas tree together - put it down in safe area in kitchen. 10 mins later I hear the unmistakeable sound of a watch going down 😮
Follow-on convo with Mrs included me handling the question “what’s the problem”? Currently learning to live with it. Same goes for the damaged watch. 😅
Haha..OUCH and OUCH 😂😂
Laser welding is a solution. I've seen some really good repairs and boy was I amazed......
I got a deep scratch on the bezel of my Rolex Explorer-doesn’t bother me too much. Honestly, you can bang up your watch for 20 years have a good polish and it’ll look like new.
A great discussion about something that happens to all of us at some point.
I had a similar thing happen to me… a friend put a decent sized ding on the top of one of the lugs of my first ever Speedy Pro. Because it was along the sharp top edge, there was no fixing it.
I tried for over a year not to let it bother me, but it kept gnawing at me and I’d notice it every time I put the watch on, so I eventually sold it.
I now own the new Speedy Pro with the coaxial movement and absolutely love it (especially the new bracelet) so all’s well that ends well.
As long as your still friends thats the main thing 👍
The silver lining here, we'll all think twice before handing a watch over to another person. Thank you for the story Peter.
More the like the main moral of the story, DON'T HAND YOUR WATCH OVER! LOL.
The massive scratch is a testament not all people have respect. You don't need to know how to handle a watch to have respect for other people's things.
I have a tudor black bay I wear it all the time I am an engineer and it is scratched but I do not mind as it was brought to be warn as my wife says your not long on this earth so enjoy these things.
Recently I scratched my Omega AT as well after 6-7 months of wear. Initially it was a mix between shock and despair. A watch is a status symbol, but it is also a tool - I don't abuse it, but if I were to sell it, I would definitely get it polished. It's just that with every polish, the case gets less sharp and material is removed to buff out the scratch. So either way the watch is never the same as before, even if to the naked eye it looks brand new. So I say - take care of your belongings, but don't get too fussed about it when it does scratch.
Great topic Pete, and I will come out and say that seeing that scratch on your Omega made me feel bad, and very happy that you had it fixed.
As for me, I'm an engineer plagued with OCD who has always taken extremely good care of everything I own...watches, cars, tools, toys, etc. Thus, in the case of watches, and although very rare, I tend to immediately get them repaired or replaced if not expensive.
I have done the same with my sports cars over the years where I have to get any damage, no matter how small, fixed as soon as possible.
I will confess that as I get older, I'm trying to relax and mellow a little more, but I find it difficult to do.
In general, I use my things but have always been very careful and methodical. I'm also obsessed with proper maintenance specially of all mechanical things.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and those of your 5 friends.
Now please, don't let anybody else touch your watches my friend 😁
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I have an Aqua Terra on a vintage leather strap, all scratched, and love it. Got another pristine two tone Speedy, in my drawer...
My dad used to abused his watches, he lived passionately, and now that he's gone, only have good memories.
Oof. This happened to me once, though not nearly as bad as yours. But hey, learned my lesson. Part of having self-respect is saying “No” sometimes.
I've been collecting watches on and off for about 15 yrs, and I'm really enjoying my ceramic Seamaster 300m because I can wear it and not worry about scratches. It's possible the case could break if i really screw up, but otherwise both the case and bezel are scratch proof.
I would love to buy SMP 300 if its 38 to 40mm. Sadly, its not.
Love what you did here: "Therapy" 😉
Glad it turned out well for you. That Omega team who fixed your watch is Top Notch! Looks brand new! (and you still have a good story to tell)
For me, I really take care of my watches but I don't "baby" them b/c, to me, a watch is made to be worn. Mind you, I don't have very expensive watches and I have watches for specific occasions (beater, daily, dress, etc.) and if it happens to get a scratch, so be it. (yes, like John, I do cry a little, but I get over it) 😊
Thanks for sharing this story.
Great video.
That scratch looks deliberate to me.
Pete, my answer to you is this: I FEEL YOUR PAIN. I got a similar kind of watch. I don't hand it to anyone. And if I had gotten such a scratch, I would promptly bring it to my AD for repair and pray to god he can do a miracle and bring it back. Really I feel for you man. Hurts. All the way up here in Canada. ☮️ Keep up the marvelous filming.
Hi Peter, great video as always! scratches or dents... or even deep dents on our favorite watches is a big issue for me too, that is why I only collect watches below $1000 and most of my watches are tough diver watch.
By the way, I saw that today Urban Gentry has just uploaded a new video about restoring his rolex with "Laser Welding"
You might wanna check about it. Sometimes polishing a watch is not fixing the problem if the scratch / dent is too deep... and we might over-polished the watch which leads to deformation of the watch case.
Laser welding could cost much, up to $1000, but I've seen on many watch forums those laser welding watch restoration...... they have amazing end results (back to be.....like a brand new watch)
recently this is more and more like a trend. I think as a watch lover you might wanna check this out!
I had this exact problem. I bought an Orient Ray Raven II as a reward for getting a new job. 10 days later I had to perform an emergency repair to my car and scratched the crystal and bezel insert. I ordered a replacement bezel insert from California (I’m in England) and an AR coated sapphire replacement. Painful experience but fun upgrade project.
Doesn’t matter how or who scratched the watch. No matter how careful I am is seems inevitable that I scratch my watch. The big issue is when you put the first scratch on a pristine watch. After the first couple of scratches it becomes a non issue. I prefer to buy used watches that look like they have already lived a life. That way somebody else has had to go through the first scratch dilemma. It also depends where the scratch it. If you see it every time you look at the watch it is much harder to live with. I have given in and refinished some of the scratches on watches. Try living with it for a while to see if it bugs you too much
Like you, Peter, I am very careful with my watches (and my cameras). But I accidentally scratched two of my best watches, a Rolex and a Tudor. Bought a Cape Cod cloth and fixed the scratches myself!
The first scratch always hurts me the most but I get over it and it's not an issue.
I expect my watches to be scratched, but I prefer that it's because of me and not someone else.
In that situation I would try to diminish the scratch by re-brushing myself, would be a polished chamfer I would get it fixed by a local watch maker.
I buy watches to keep them, and kind of passed the first scratches long ago.
Great Video. This is something I struggle with. I am like you , I want to accept them as character building but I just can't! Bugs my OCD like crazy. With my cars, watches, sunglasses or anything valuable I do my best to always keep them in new condition. Even with fine scratch's on the clasp, I use cape cod polishing cloths to bring them back to new. Honestly I am jealous of those who can scratch their watch and not have it keep them up at night ! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Yessir! Spot on.
i'm with Tony on this one, the scratches are part of your story with the watch
that being said the scar on Peter's Omega was rather extreme, as if someone had sliced into it with a diamond ring and not something one might expect to happen when merely passed round the dinner table - especially not amongst a group of friends who value and appreciate you sharing life with them - so i would wonder that nobody spoke up and said they had damaged it by mistake, giving one pause as to whether everyone in that group was completely trustworthy
even if it wasn't done maliciously, it shows a distinct lack of respect, and i might reevaluate some relationships in that scenario
Scratches done my myself are part of the story. Scratches done maliciously by others are another thing entirely. Seeing that every wear would just turn me homicidal.
Rule number one, never take out your wedding ring for someone to look at. Rule number two, never take out your watch for someone to look at. Rule number three - that applies to folks wearing a neck chain with a Cross or a necklace.Why ? It's as simple as that: those are very personal items, period. How about that, "can I check out your wife/GFriend etc. Yes, and I couldn't care less about anyone's opinion on this, that's my take. Regarding the scratch, there are two schools here. One prefers "marked" "damaged " "battle scars" and one prefers freshness and immaculate looks. Am with the second, get your watch sorted out asap, forget what happened and learn from your mistake, don't give your watch for someone to look at. Remember Pete, someone could av dropped it, far worse scratch/dent or even shatter the crystal. Merry Xmas Pete:)
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Appreciate this video, the next time a non-watch person asks to see my watch I'm going to tell them to go stuff it. It really irks me because I can put myself in your shoes. I just never expected something like that could happen from just handling it.
Oh wow. I have the exact same reference with very similar scratches on the side of the case. It was however, caused by myself when I picked it up with my left hand and my platinum wedding ring put two scratches in the side. Feel you bro!
To add on, the scratches happened months ago. It hurt like crazy for a few weeks, but I soon forgot about it. Somehow over time, the scratch seems to sorta smoothen out with wear, though still visible.
So I agree with one of your friends. Do nothing. Soon you won't think about it.
Have it laser welded repair it is very impressive what they can do now! I had a Sinn repaired like that and I was blown away with the results!
I hope you’ll have the lovely Aqua Terra repaired soon!
Cheers
I would have polished out a scratch that big. I'm with you on this one.
This is one of the reasons I really love affordable watches. I don't know what I'd do if I owned a luxury watch and got a scratch on it.
I wonder if this was one of my affordable Seiko's if I would feel the same way with a massive scratch in it..I think probably yes.
Most of my Swiss luxury watches have fine hairline scratches, thats standard wear and tear and I live with that everyday as we all do. Thats character building to me..these are my watches after all and display my daily life marks on them.
This dent and gash on the Omega was a little different to me, it was so deep and unsightly, I could not stand the sight of it, so i had it repaired.
I agree with your point of view though regarding much more affordable pieces 👍
Thanks for sharing Dave, cheers brother
I have the same AT as you and I've come to accept SOME level of scratches given all the polished surfaces on the bracelet, bezel and lugs. It's the same for my other watches. Light wears scratches are unavoidable. Bigger scratches do bug me from time to time, but if I make the scratch, then I have a better time dealing with it. In your case, the issue is you didn't make the scratch in the first place, so rather than maybe holding a memorable event or occasion to that mark, you're just reminded by someone's carelessness.
The first scratch can be upsetting but then strangely turns into something quite liberating, "I've done it now so any further smaller scratches are fine". If it's a deep scratch or especially a dent, however, I might worry that it may have done some damage to the internal workings of the watch.
Watches, cars, motorbikes whatever. That first ding is a heart breaker. But I find it grants me the freedom to actually enjoy the object. The new is rubbed off and it’s truly mine now to use as it was intended. So once the tears subside, the rage over the injustice fades and the sulking is over, life goes on. Cheers.
Peter, I truly commend you on your patience & forgiveness because where I'm from, you scuff up my shoe, let alone scratching my $6k dollar watch, I don't care which of the 6 of you did it, that's 6 head up fades. I don't think the guy you entrusted with your watch should have then allowed someone else to look at it.
Not gonna lie, I do hate scratches on my watch, especially when it's on polished parts of my watch. My most expensive watch is my Mido Ocean Star GMT & I've tried my best to keep it pristine. If it does get scratched it's not the end of the world though.
I would've had that Omega repaired too! That scratch would have bugged me big-time. That watch is well worth the repair cost. You would never stop looking at that scratch.
On a watch like that omega getting it fixed was the right thing to do ,even my beater cheap work watch is pretty good still .Mine are all ok ,the only two I wouldn’t bother too much about are a couple of bronze watches ,ones a Delma seashell that has patina all over it so on those they Look good and beat up anyway .but I prefer no scratches to be honest .My guitars are a different thing though ,scratches , dings and faded out and cream white coloured Gibson les Paul’s look better used Imo and you can’t help those getting a bit roughed up .Pleased you got it refinished ,looks perfect Peter .
Would love to hear some of those guitars in full song 🔥🔥
Thanks Peter. A helpful video for someone mulling over a recent scratch on my first luxury watch. A quick and unrelated question if that’s ok - the black strap on the Omega in the early part of the video is that yours? Looks great! If so, are you able to share details on it? Many thanks and brilliant channel btw.
Its an FKM rubber strap from Strapatelier I believe..in 19mm 👍
Biggest risk is door handles, washing machine, and falls. I love the marks add character and tells a story.. If one must polish it should be light surface finish only. Not deep dent repair...
A Black Bay was my first luxury watch (All Seiko before) so babied it for a while. Then I got the Rolex I always wanted. After that the BB become my daily and I moved home wearing it. Now it's scratched up I actually enjoy wearing the BB more because I don't worry about it and the watch is tied to my old and new home and it's my go to piece now.
I'm like you Pete. I take very good care of my watches and protect them as much as possible. That doesn't mean I don't wear them, I do. But I'm aware of all the pitfalls where I might scratch my watch so I'm careful. But yes, scratches bug me and I do the same. I get it fixed....
Reminds me of when someone asks to write with your fountain pen; you have to learn to accept the social embarrassment of saying no, as the negative consequences just aren’t worth it. Some people do take it badly!
Hi Peter,
A very good thought provoking video. I believe the main problem is that you did not scratch the Omega when you were wearing the watch .
I don’t like scratches on my watches but it happens and because I did them , it softens the blow or it serves as a memory to a place or time.
I think you did the right thing and had the scratch removed.
Cheers
Dave
For me it depends on the watch - I have a few Pagani Fauxmega’s etc and if I do get one I’ll get my trusty selection of wet and dry paper and pads and re-brush the offending area or get the Autosol out if it’s high polish. I have even done this with a bequested Tag and it came up really well.
This is probably not for everyone as I was a tableware modeller in another life so used to doing this sort of thing and also practiced on a few cheap gardening and garage watches beforehand. It’s just knowing your skill level and tossing up the price to have it done professionally and the value of the watch. I don’t think I would have had a go myself if it was my Omega!
It's not your fault at all, just something that happened. We can't control all aspects of our lives, especially when we share it with others, and thats okay. I have been in a similar situation where my watch was dropped 1m on to concrete and its an awful feeling, I remember feeling sick over it at the time. A lesson learnt for both of us and I would put my trust in that friend again. In the end I did sell the watch as the damage had a negative experienced attached to it. However, another watch I gouged while scuba diving is one I look at fondly all the time so it really depends on how the damaged happened for me
Sorry about your watch. I feel your pain as l am very troubled by scratches on my watches. Glad you managed to get it removed.
I'm sorry Pete, but I fail to see how a deep scratch like the one shown is the result of handling at a dinner table. This looks deliberate to me. As for the question, I agree with you. I would have had this repaired as you did. I would classify this as damage not wear and tear. I have a 24yr old Seamaster which shows its age, but nothing to draw your eye. I'm glad your watch is looking its best again and you can continue to enjoy it.
Thoughtful video with a positive ending…Thank you. Take care and stay safe shipmate 👍🏼
I look at it the same way I look at giving someone money. If what I'm handing them is something I can't afford to lose (or not get back 100%), I shouldn't hand it over and most people can respect that. Accidents aren't a test of trust, its a symptom.
If its a watch I wear all the time and I don't mind the natural story wear, its ok. Sure, the first big one always hurts, but its not like its intentional. After a while it just becomes a reminder of both lessons and memories. Some you want to erase, and some you want to relive.
"This scratch came from mistakenly handing it to someone and they passed it around... I wont make that mistake again and maybe I'll get it buffed out." - is one thing
"THIS scratch came from taking my son on his first hike, and I will never repair it." - is completely different.
The first line of defense is you. If you can't bear the thought of something happening to it, don't put it in that situation. If/when that time does happen, repair it or replace it if the money is no object.
Interesting video Peter. My take is this, in twenty years when you hand down your watch to a loved one, they will remember first seeing the watch and they will remember your younger years. Wouldn't you like to hand over something that has been through life with you, showing the life it has lived? We don't look the same in the mirror any more, we have character, life lines and wrinkles. If the watch we hand down is pristine, it hasn't captured our essence or our spirit at all. Isn't that really what you want to hand down? Just my thoughts. Love your vids and long time subscriber :)
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No body has said 'it depends on the scratch ' surly that's the main thing. I don't mind tiny everyday wear scratches that you actually have to really look for to find, but you know they're there. But that is a big first scratch. (First scratch always the worst) you probably did the right thing, but don't do it for the tiny scratches that the watch will get over time.
Great video Peter 😁 I remember noticing the first scratch on my Black Bay. My immediate reaction was anxiety but after a few seconds I realized, my pre-owned Seamaster 300 arrived with an assortment of small dings and the odd scratch. It looked lived in and it made sense, it's bound to happen over the course of several years. In the case of a nasty scratch like yours, I can understand you getting it buffed out. It was pretty noticeable . The marks on my BB are very light and don't really bother me. I don't think it's practical to try keeping the watch in pristine condition.. Nothing looks new forever.
Excellent video as always. In my modest collection some are expected to get a bit scratched up, others I wear with extreme care not to scratch. In my case (😉) I don't intend on flipping or selling any of them.
Kudos for keeping your watches as prestine as you do! I collect to wear and enjoy them knowing at some point I'll notice a scratch. Like others mention it's upsetting at the time but then I get over it. I am careful as I can be with them, even going so far as to put little tabs of moleskin on inner lining of my jackets buttons or snaps to protect the clasp.
I also learned the hard way removing a watch from wrist for a freind to look at, he immediately dropped it on the pavement putting a huge ding on my Fortis F41 case. #*$#@%! He offered to pay for repairs, I sent it in and decided to not hit him up for reimbursement. Chalked it up to "accidents happen". And now if asked to see my watch it stays on my wrist, unless I know they are an enthusiast. Cheers Peter !
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My times work watch doesn’t have any scratches but there’s tiny dings/chips around the bezel and I think it fits. A beater watch should be beat up a little bit
Never take your watch of your wrist 😉. Ive learned this long time ago. Very good cast, I'm glad you did the comparison regarding their property. I've been called posh when taking extra care of my diving camera, only to see the same person loose his temper because a tank was placed on his fins without doing any harm. Apparently their judgement only goes one way! I'll be watching some of your friends They seem to be fake. I have the impression that this scratch on your watch was done purposely. Thanks for the video!
The first relatively expensive watch that I bought is my Unimatic. The very first day I dropped it ON THE EFFIN’ CONCRETE! What can I say now, it’s mine and it’s got the dent to prove it.
It's an interesting question. Basically I like my watches to look like new as long as possible. Of course almost every watch will scratch eventually, but I hope it somehow happens gradually, evenly and dignified in a sense. A scratch like on your watch is like a defacing wound or scar. I probably would do something about it, hand the watch over to an AD to get it sorted if feasible.
If I had something over I expect that damage is a possibility. However, it is a steel sports watch it is meant to tank some hits.
I lent one of my prized out-of-print books to a very close friend, breaking my decades old rule to NEVER lend my books to anyone. I forgot about it, and two years later asked for it back, and it was all puffed up because of water damage. I was absolutely gutted I will never break my own rule again. At the very least, he didn’t spill Coke or a sugary drink on it, but it still spoilt the book.
The first scratch is the deepest saddest moment on any watch that I have but I have them to wear them and accept that there will be a good chance of some scratches. The second scratch onwards is part of my journey with the watch. If there is damage that really annoys me then I'll consider getting it sorted. If I was thinking of selling a watch (perish the thought) that had marks I would consider getting it sorted depending on the value of the watch. But that's just my take. That first scratch really does hurt though. The scratch on yours would have likely been a decision for me to get it sorted though, that was a nasty one.
Interesting conversation, to trust or not to trust… the great outcome is dinner with mates & a scratch fixed!
A sales man let a customer try on his smart watch the other day, the customer dropped it on the concrete floor - smart watch no more!
All my watches show their wabi sabi, but I do wear tool watches on adventures or in the garden
It's pretty simple. If it bothers you, get it fixed. Ahh, 9:04, you got it fixed! Yep! For me, light scratches from normal wear are acceptable. A deep scratch I would have fixed.
The Omega service center will ad (micro weld adding of Stainless Steel to and inside the gap). Then they will sand down the weld till it’s even to the rest of the case. Then the final step is to brush the side of the case to match the rest of the brushing on the entire case. Then they apply and clear coats (if those apply). Then All Done. Coasts about 130 to 150.
If it's a huge, noticeable scratch then I would definitely get it fixed. Most of my scratches are near the clasp, or on the bracelet near the clasp, and I don't care much about them. Tissot PRX Chronograph and Hamilton Khaki Pilot Day Date.
I advise others not to worry, at the same time I dont accept them on my watches - I have no idea why the double standard, perhaps I advise them to do what I would like to be able to do myself.
With watches I may flip I tend to remove the og bracelet without sizing it, and buy a decent third party option - this obviously stops and desk diving marks.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Bizarre story, passed around a table and received that level of damage? Glad you got it fixed.
My very first "real" Swiss piece was the Certina Action Diver. A big leap for me then, going from $200 watches to an $800 one (this is prior to the now much cheaper Powermatic 80 version). First day wearing it, slapped into a door frame and dug a groove into the bezel. I was devasted, considering my much cheaper watches seemed far more robust.
Thankfully, the new bezel was only $35 bucks, shipped from Certina, and the whole repair was about $65. I don't know, it's part of why I won't drop eight to twelve grand plus on a watch, since the more you pay, the more it hurts to see damages, and the pricier to fix. I prefer around a grand, or less, which just has far less worry with respect to loss, damage or theft.
I do take care of my watches but they get scratched eventually and I just accept that. I have scratches on my Longines and Breitling, not a big deal and I've learned to live with them as normal signs of wear and tear. Polished parts get micro scratches easily, buckle gets desk diving marks, it's all normal i guess. I enjoy those watches with those markings just like if they were new. To me it is primary to wear and enjoy my watches. As I said, I do take care, but It happens that I hit the watch sometimes (handrails, seatbelt buckle etc)
So, here's what I'd say. If I was the one who dented it, then I wouldn't really care because one of two things would happen:
a) As it is, it's probably a watch that's a keeper for life (why else would I have bought it) so I don't really care.
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b) Even if I did dent it, I wouldn't really notice. I'm kinda rough with my watches in general (there are exceptions in my collection, of course!), so I don't really care.
BUT, that comes with a caveat. Two, actually. First, if it was someone else's watch, then yes, I'll do my very best to handle it with care. The other person's trusting me, and so the least I could do is to repay it back by assuring them that their watch is in good hands. Second (and this is under the assumption that I own said watch), if this watch crosses a price bracket (i.e. high-horology dress watch), I'd handle that with care - of course, I wouldn't mind a hairline scratch or two, but nothing beyond that.
As a car enthusiast, I'd agree with your friend there. Like your friend said, cars are a different story. A part of showing love to any car's character lies in how clean it looks, and so paint scratches, dents, or anything beyond that is a no-no, unlike the world of watches. Because even if cars and watches are similar, they're just not. Watches, to some extent are built to look good when they get dented. Cars exactly.....aren't.
My two cents aside, I'm really sorry that this happened. I was infuriated when the lady at the US embassy dropped my new-old stock 1971 Favre-Leuba Duomatic, and created a bit of an impressionable scratch - not only because the watch was ridiculously hard to find in that particular condition, but also because it was a birthday gift to myself when I turned 17 last year (anyone reading this, feel free to hit me up if you want to hear that watch story because it's one hell of a ride!). But in a way, there's a bit of a double standard that exists - if I dent my watch I don't care, but if someone else does, I'd be pretty infuriated unless that someone is a loved one.
Got my Aqua Terra (ironically my wedding watch) sapphire glass scratched by my wife wedding ring on the 3rd day owning it.... took me 8 years before replacing it when i sent the whole watch in for service and polishing. Lol, it was on my mind 24/7 over few weeks before i decided that it was a unique piece now. 🤣
I would definitely fix it, my Omega Seamaster 300M means everything to me, I can't even bear it when there's a tiny scratch on the bracelet.
Even a high end watch that is used as a daily can develop the story of your life. The dinner party scratch you described is a killer though, I would be gutted.
My watches only leave my wrist for one thing, and one thing only. Swapping to another watch in the rotation. Nice of you to have handed it over, but I would not ever recommend it unless the other person is also an enthusiast.
I haven’t had to fix any watches due to scratches. So I think it would depend on which watch it happened to. Also, I wouldn’t let anyone touch my watch.
I crashed on my bike and my Certina diver got a deep bezel scratch. And it’s bracelet is riddled with light scratches. It’s how it’s supposed to be. The charm of steel is its durability. To me, steel watches aren’t cool if you treat them like porcelain. I won’t even buy a watch that I can’t handle getting beaten up, unless it’s a dress watch. I buy sports watches with the intention of them looking beaten up in 10-20 years time, just like my fathers 25+ year old Seiko that’s still going strong. I would probably get distressed if I got a crystal badly scratched though. That’s where the line is drawn for me. But that can easily be fixed by replacement or even polywatch
A friend rang me today and he was riding his bike and smashed. He was wearing a relatively expensive Sinn...quite a few battle scars now
I scratch all my watches, some at work and the more expensive ones in the outdoors! I keep my watches and they reflect my lifestyle! Best regards Oni
I can’t imagine what someone could do to a watch to create such severe damage in such a brief amount of time, short of dropping it. So sorry, Peter. Thanks for sharing.
Great topic and video. I will attempt a video response. I too wear them easy but also ok with some scratches if I did them.
A couple of scratches here and there are ok with me Rob. In this case however, it has a huge gash in it, it bothered me so off to the professionals it went, happy days now 😊
I am also a watch collector of luxury fine time pieces, anyone who says your first scratch on a watch gives it character obviously doesn't have the same level of appreciation but they may on another item or possession they have, its all relevant to each of us! I have been wearing fine watches for decades and in fact just had this conversation with my wife who can wear a new pair of shoes or a new watch and after one time of wearing then will have scratches or wear marks, yet I can wear a watch for years or the same pair of dress shoes for several years with what so ever no scuffs or scratches, it all comes down to being aware and the fact we are collectors and never want our investments to diminish in value, we just take care of our investments. If I had a scratch on my watch that is that noticeable I would take it to the jeweler and have it buffed out, it doesn't really cost that much and well worth the aggravation of me not stressing out looking at the scratch every time I wear it, hahaha This has been a practice of mine for years. Your exactly correct we who appreciate our things develop habits which carries into everything in our lives.
I'm glad you got it fixed because like you, it would have bugged the hell out of me...BUT, it's now been polished and it will always be the watch with a bad memory so I'd say sell it and get yourself another one, maybe that Deville with the snake skin (brick road) bracelet, that's a beauty 😃
Interesting point about care taken during photography bleeding over into watch handling. I suspect that might be the case for me, as well. Because despite a lot of clambering around outside in pursuit of a picture, for the most part my collection hasn't taken all that much damage. And when a watch does get a little wear it doesn't bother me a lot, since most of my watches are tools intended for vigorous use. Definitely in the "character" camp, generally. That said, I just bought a Serica California - as an affordable collector, at the top of my spending limit - as a personal reward for a milestone. On the second wear, I noticed an abrasion spot marring the bezel brushing. Very minor, literally no one would ever notice it (looks like a tiny finger smudge). In the context of a more commemorative/celebratory piece, *this* flaw is REALLY BUGGING ME.
Heartbreaking scratch I'd have to get rid of it, that scratch would really bother me. It looks fantastic fixed.
Peter, great video when I saw your scratch, yep get it fixed. I have a Rolex GMT II with the polished center clasp and noticed just today a pretty heavy and deep scratch on the top end of the clasp. This is my only modern watch I keep in the safe (for safety) and was really disappointed because of all of my other watches, like you, really don’t scratch them like this. I may get it polished out…not sure, but your video may help me decide what to do.
Best of luck with that decision David. At the end of the day I personally could not stand the sight of the huge gash, so I got it rectified..job done 😊
Most of my seikos , rados are really durable. I have a few scratches on my sla043 from strap changes, basically because I haven't bothered to tape up before hand. And to be honest pete , it doesn't bother me one bit. I find my tutor gets scratched really easily , which is a bit annoying as I've tried to keep it new looking. At the end of the day , it happens and to me at least , I don't fuss over it. I don't buy watches to flip, just to keep and enjoy them . We all have a bit of wear and tear from life, so that's how I deal with it. That scratch on your omega would have passed me off , considering it was passed round to friends, its obvious someone's jewellery caught it whilst trying it on . Shit happens !!!
I don't have any high end watches like this, but I still like to keep them as scratch free as possible. Small micro scratches are inevitable if you're going to be wearing them, but anything worse than that I'd be gutted... Even on more budget watches.
This happens even at watch meets, people shuffle the watch piles pushing them against each other, and other "accidents"... I wear my watches but those are my scratches that I own versus mis handling
I have the exact same scratch in the same spot on the side of my AT
More than just a handling a watch, people don’t 😊have respect for other people’s property. You see a lack of that everywhere. Another example would be door dings in a parking lot.
Lesson learned. Hopefully it was a fun time otherwise. If that was my watch and btw that's my favorite Omega! If the money was saved id get a new one keep it in a safe in the box, but continue to wear the scratched one, after a while you may look back on the situation and smile, thats when you sell the new one, or maybe you are still bummed out about it and sell it to me at a tremendous loss 🤣 just kidding!
I i was the one that scratched it, i would try to make it up somehow, offer to get it fixed or give you the cost difference between your damaged watch and a new pristine one.
Its Character building...IF...you're doing something of significance...tells the story of your life...something that, when, you pass it on to your children, they will be telling your story through your time pieces and the meaning each holds to them....the story...oh...my dad got this scratch because he had a moment of stupidity at a party one night...as opposed to....my dad got these marks digging ditches, feeding his family...served in the Army, Navy...Air Force, ran his business..put a roof over their heads, clothes on their backs...and the story is told....
Ooohhh that’s painful mate! Something similar happened to my speedy. Not pleasant. I was upset for a short time and then thought well what can I do. Not much. And so I accepted it and moved on. Placed in the character building bucket so to speak.
Hi Peter, I'm in Melbourne too and was wondering where you had it repaired? I have a similar ding on my speedy that I wouldn't mind being fixed ...
I got this done at Archies watch repair in Dandenong 👍
Hmmm Id like to say I have some form of knowledge upon this subject as I've been in the industry for around 2 years. (Only small but you pick up some bits and pieces here and there) personally I've sat there and debated with myself a few too many times how I feel about scratching watches. But that said I've come to a conclusion. Watches are going to get scratched either way. It doesn't matter how much you baby them and how long you baby them, one day you're going to do something accidentally and damage the watch. That said, there are ways to avoid it. The main one being, buy something used, that's slightly scraped up itself. I've bought new, and used watches, and I find myself too scared to wear my new watches. Whereas, something already scratched and scraped, I don't feel that anxious about damaging. Whether or not that is small or light scratches it doesn't bother me at all, because the watch was already pre-owned by someone who felt the same way. I could go on about such things but I feel like I'd be here a while. But that's my opinion
Hi, I love watches and I felt the pain when I saw your clip. When I scratch a watch, any watch in my collection, expensive or not, to me is like breaking a bone in my body. It hurst like hell but by time, it heals and the pain eases. I guess if the scratch bothers you so much, you try and fix it. Personally, I prefer not to brush off any material to have it removed and try and live with it.
Oh my goodness! I only hand over one of my watches to my friends who are watch collectors.