1:48 maybe it's just camera effect but I can tell the fake instantly just by the quality of the dial. The real is so crisp and defined. The fake is blurred and crude. Just compare the lettering of Seamaster and the crisp colour of the Asian continent
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7:35 That is the nice thing about Omega featuring mainly display casebacks these days: it makes it extraordinarily easy to spot a fake. That lever is the real escapement. The "escapement" and full bridge that sit on top of it are totally fake and inoperable. Basically, the majority of what you see there is a decorated cover plate, that sits over the real movement. Very few replica houses actually replicate an in house movement (I believe there is a Rolex Daytona super clone that does). The majority simply use a Chinese manufactured ETA clone, and I am aware of no one who has ever cloned an Omega co-axial escapement, so you can always see the standard Swiss lever under the faux bridge.
Any chance I can send you a picture of the back of a worldtimer to see if you can tell whether its the co-axial escapement? Would be a huge help. Thank you.
Wow, insane! I've had Rolex replicas before (and thats honestly how I've gotten into the hobby and now I only have real watches) but I've always had my eye on this Omega and its astonishing to see how crazy accurate these super clones have become!
It’s a beautiful watch. I’m in shock too. I actually held and tried on a real one today because I happened to be at an AD today ordering a new watch. It’s absolutely worth what they ask for it.
An absolute gap-filling video and spot-on review as well! In my opinion, there’s only one way you can really tell whether it’s a fake or not is under micro lens or by using a Lupe for close inspection. Additional red flag: (around 7:38) on the case back, right under the balance wheel you can easily spot even with a naked eye that this watch is using a basic anchor escapement instead of co-axial escapement.
I did notice something was off about the escapement but I was 100% sure so I didn’t point it out. I stuck with the things pretty much anyone could spot.
This is what is great about Omegas from the later 2000's and on: the co-axial escapement. For better or worse, it is a 100% replica tell. Even a Rolex 3135 still uses a swiss lever escapement, making it easier to clone. But I am aware of no one who has ever attempted to reproduce a co-axial escapement... because it is a colossal pia to do, and the Chinese Rep manufacturers still haven't figured out how to, at all, let alone in a cost effective way. Legend has it that the only reason they are so good at the standard swiss movements is because ETA supposedly at one point have some Chinese factories manufacturing their movements, though I have not personally tracked down evidence to verify that claim.
Any chance I can send you a picture of the back of a worldtimer to see if you can tell whether its the co-axial escapement? Would be a huge help. Thank you.
I'm always surprised that a Worldtimer - for example - would get replicated. It's a low-volume watch and I can't see how this piece can be profitable... Except it must be... and therefore, it can't be that complicated to replicate.
Colectors of the real thing actually have a couple of fakes, it's kind of acceptable because of theft and my country security issue... in my case I rather have a brand new hamilton or second hand longines...
This is what I was thinking - the Rolex Cosmograph Daytona Platinum is running well over $100k USD on the secondary market. Would I wear this watch everywhere? Probably not. I would be slow to surrender one of those versus a super clone costing less than $2k. I'd part with the super clone and wish the new owner well vs. getting into a serious security situation where my wife would tell me to quit being stupid and hand over the watch.
Clone or real the issue of theft remains. A platinum Rolex goes for 100k on the secondary market, but that's one that is completely legit, with box and papers. A stolen one will be much harder to move and won't even sell for half the price, most likely it will go for about 10-20% its market value. The famous Rapper Pop Smoke was murdered for his Rolex, a watch that retailed for over $30k that the killers sold for a measly $2,000.. and that was during the height of the rolex craze. Not all robberies end in both parties walking away, if you're really concerned about it then simply don't buy them at all. A shiny bauble really isn't worth dying over.
8:48 - There are apps for your phone that will provide frequency and accuracy of the movement--Have used one and it's pretty slick. Used with external headphones basically taped to the watch.
The fact that you stated at the end of your video that you'd likely turn off the comment section if people were to share info about how to buy these fakes, I really appreciated. I like that your goal is to teach us how to spot a fake and not get ripped off, rather than promote these cheap fakes. You have morals and integrity.
I’m impressed this could make a replica of this considering it’s unique laser etch process. I would also think this watch wouldn’t have the broad appeal of the lesser complicated Rolex watches. Why spend so much time and money to clone something for a small market?
I believe fake watches like this are close to 1k. We are not talking about $200 watch. Is really hard to notice differences when you see it on a wrist. However i saw other replicas under $50 that you can tell is fake from distance
I have the authentic one and the clone. and I can tell you that it is the smallest details that make the difference. This made me rethink whether it is worth spending so many thousands of dollars on the authentic one, in the end the only difference I found was the quality of the letters. and that is no justification for me to pay so many thousands of dollars. What do you think??
Do you wear the fake one and keep the real one safe at home? It’s hard for me to justify spending almost $9000 for any watch. I try and wait to see what happens in the secondary market but I haven’t seen this watch for under $6000.
@@TheTimekeeper Obviously I didn't buy it for that. I bought it because I was intrigued by this situation, I wanted to see for myself the quality of this type of watches. In fact, the one I bought no longer has the regulator, it is a much more exact replica. My conclusion was that it is not worth spending so many thousands of dollars just for better engravings and almost 10% timing accuracy. I like watches, but I am also very critical when it comes to analyzing what I spend my money on.
I meant no disrespect but I’ve heard of folks wearing super clone Rolex’s and not really wearing the real ones out and about with less paranoia. It’s controversial to say the least. I’ve been at watch meet ups, and the subject of fake watches came up and one person was bold enough to say that anybody owning a fake watch, should be arrested. I don’t agree with that and from what I’ve seen owning a super clone is completely legal.
@@TheTimekeeper I understand, it is a complicated topic, I suppose that if what you are looking for is the history and innovation of the watchmaking company, an authentic watch is the best option, but if what you are looking for is good functioning, design, basically a watch that does the job, which is what I'm looking for in this model, then a super clone is the best for you, in the end the big watch houses get rich by inflating the prices of pieces that aren't really worth it, and I guess that's fine, that's how it works. capitalism, China is releasing its own brands with better calibers at very affordable prices, it will be interesting what will happen to the watch market in the future. Greetings and excellent video, it makes us think about how the watch market really works
It always amuses me when the gap between replicas ("fakes") and homages is presented as some sort of monumental divide in legitimacy. I honestly fail to see how. Illegality of using a trademarked logo notwithstanding, on the consumer level, buying either a replica or an homage serve the exact same purpose: the buyer refusing to purchase the real watch, in favor of knowingly buying a watch its maker blatantly ripped the design off another company, in an effort to obtain, and show off, a watch that looks exactly like something more expensive. Whether it is 99% the same or only 98% the same, and what tiny logo printed on the dial is, that no one can see from more than a foot away, is of little consequence. Objectively speaking, from the consumer standpoint, buying either is effectively the exact same thing. Now on the manufacturer side, of course, the unlicensed replica practice is indeed illegal, but we all know that, and no one is disputing that. But the vast majority of contempt in this line of discussion is aimed at the consumer, rather than the manufacturer, which is why I pointed this out, because I honestly see little difference, ethically, socially, or financially, between the two, on the consumer side..
I can see your point. I think homages exist to fill a gap for those who simply can’t afford the luxury watch that they desire. Even you can afford the watch, you can’t simply walk into the store and walk out with one (specifically taking about Rolex). Although totally legal, homages seem like a grey area where folks can get a taste of the real thing. After buying my gevril, I have not purchased another homage. There are so many original watches out there but I understand the appeal.
@@TheTimekeeper Ya legality aside, I wasn't taking a stance on the replica or homage market, nor was I attempting to admonish the consumers of either. I simply wanted to point out that there is little difference between the two. Homages do indeed often serve as a gateway to the watches they are based on in a sort of "try before you buy" way. They amusingly often serve as advertising material for the bigger brands and actually lead to profit for those brands. As for loss of business, I feel that is a contrived and inaccurate argument: I defy you to find even one person that was in earnest going to buy a high end watch, and then decided to by an homage instead because it was a better value, resulting in a loss of sale. So when it comes to homages, while I personally prefer to either buy the original watch or find other, more unique pieces, I have no moral or ethical issues with homages as I see no harm and an actual benefit. But my main point is, everything I just said about homages... is true about replicas as well. Again, I know of not one person who was on their way to the Omega store to buy a watch, and then decided to buy a replica from a local street vender instead... someone who can and wants to buy an Omega is going to buy an Omega. They may buy they rep first, but they will eventually buy the Omega. And anyone who never ends up buying an Omega was never going to buy it anyway, replica availability notwithstanding. And I have my own admittedly anecdotal story to support this: I was never a watch guy. I always had a watch, but knew nothing about them... until I got the opportunity to inspect a very high end Replica Seamaster. I was fascinated with how close it was to the real thing, and in watching a comparison video on that same replica watch vs the real one, I became fascinated with automatic movements and watches in general. My obsession with watches started because of a replica, and eventually led to me finally obtaining a real Seamaster, and having it serviced directly at Omega. In the irony of all ironies, an illegal, unlicensed replica Omega led to profit for Omega.
those replicas are created to cheat homages are for people who can't afford Rolex or Omega or even Seiko but want to check how any given watch looks on their wrist also those homages are great base for modding !! Myself, I wouldn't touch SKX but with some homage watch ? why not to change bezel or diar or movement or all at once !?
@@Tom_Kowalczuk "those replicas are created to cheat" ... I need to you qualify that statement. What exactly do you mean, and how does that differ from an homage? "homages are for people who can't afford Rolex or Omega or even Seiko..." Everything else you say after this point is also true of replicas. I still fail to see any distinction between the two, on the consumer level. A replica is also for people who can't afford a Rolex or Omega. A replica also can be a base for modding, and even frankensteining (mixing replica with OEM parts).
Wearing a replica is pretending to wear the real thing. Wearing a homage is not. To me, this is a very big difference. A can afford the real thing and I have purchased original Omegas, Rolex, etc, but I also have come across original designs where I thought that the original was not worth buying, compared to the homage. So, I don’t agree with your opinion at all.
I suppose there are good reasons as why there are authorized dealers for these timepieces. Cool watch; totally would've fooled me (except maybe the price point)
With people pushing the idea of watches for investment, super clones have become the watches to actually wear and enjoy. If they break, they can be serviced or simply be replaced with a new one at a cost less than the price of a full service of the real thing.
Where can I get this watch?? Just kidding! One difference that is quite clear on the globe disk is the "SEAMASTER" type. On the original it is raised similar to Greenland, while on the fake it seems to be a lot flatter.
It's sad that watches that look good cost over 1k+. *amzwatch* watches are REALLY well made, and it just shows how a brand name on a watch can make its price 10x higher. I understand that if you look under a microscope, you'll find the difference, but just how many of you really inspect a watch at that level when you see someone with a watch?
There's a $200 fake version of this that came out when it came out back in 2019 I think it was. You should see how pathetically bad it is. The world map looks like it belongs on a Fisher Price Baby's walker with toy buttons to press. Like seriously even knock off buyers have standards.
You can get a *amzwatch* super clone for $300 or so and it will be indistinguishable from the real thing to 99.999% of people. The clones just keep getting better. The only reason to prefer a real one is if you want to support a big company. The best way to go about it is to buy the stainless steel models and buy a watch that matches your lifestyle. Another plus is if you travel with it you don't care to let it go if you're going to get mugged or if you lose it.
you could get invicta dive watch for less than 100 bucks and it will dive up to 500 meters, for this omega with the price you paid and exact callibber it should witstand anything above 50 or 100m
Worryingly good. Other than also visually looking at the lack of co-axial escapement, looking at my WT and literally doing a spot the difference which was actually fun, there are many differences such as screw placements and other aspects that I am not willing to list as it will be a checklist to correct on the next attempt!
Obviously there were limits since I did not have the real watch to make a direct comparison. I did try a real one at an AD after making the video and I thought it was a striking piece.
Any chance I can send you a picture of the back of a worldtimer to see if you can tell whether its the co-axial escapement? Would be a huge help. Thank you.
I have the real omega worldtimer. MAN this is so REAL. I seriously cant point out the difference until he shows the weird finishing at the back that is subtle as fuck! Jeez this is so scary. Now i want to buy the fake so i can wear it as a beater watch 😅
Why spend all the money on marketing for brand recognition when these brands not only spend millions on marketing but have literally over a hundred years of history and recognition. For crooks it's a win-win scenario.
I sometimes wonder if they will eventually pitch themselves as overseas manufacturers to one of the big watch brands where they can show them they can make an identical watch for a fraction of what it costs them in Switzerland or wherever.
This is beginning to happen in the bicycling world. The Chinese manufacturers who literally make all the carbon fibre frames and wheels, save only two French brands who make everything themselves, are making their own brands with what is measurably better quality than the name brands spec for their frames. The whole bicycle world could be turned upside down as more consumers get educated on the inherent quality of the Chinese brands over the European brands. Hambini has a great TH-cam channel calling out the sad state of the Euro brands and their failure to make decent quality frames and wheels.
the entire comment section complimenting how excellent and dependable replica watches Thus, by outlining every aspect of the fake watch, you are endorsing it Suppose that you don't know anything else about the watch, such as whether it's waterproof or not, when you can merely test them by immersing them in water, but you have time to test the movement instead🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀ And if that's not enough, how in the world did you get the super clone fake watch besides buying it to use dont tell me that u gonna toss it away after u bought it for usd$1000 Unless you have the actual watch, we can really get it to prove that you aren't supporting the fake market watches.
I have this same watch. From VSF. It's very very nice. There is only one thing. Sometimes when the light hits the map directly, the map's colors look very dull, almost gray. And sometimes it looks blue but too bright. I don't like this. I checked the original watch and the colors on it always look nice to my eyes. Laser ablation makes a big difference here.
All of the flaws that people are talking about are only visible if you hand them the watch and they know what to look for or have a genuine one to compare. Otherwise, if you can't see them from a normal viewing distance it really doesn't matter.
When they can make such accurate copies it makes you wonder why a watch has to be so expensive. Probably costs 100 bucks to make the real branded watch and then $50k goes to a Swiss banker. The replicas have a badass, bandit, rebel aesthetic to them.
Probably costs a lot more than $100 for the legitimate ones. We’re talking several hours to assemble and test from a skilled craftsman. My guess is probably closer to $1k.
Labor costs are different. I'm sure the Chinese workers work in sweatshops for 14 hours and get paid $10 a day. The Swiss workers get $35 and hour plus benefits.
@@the.hamel.mammal7802 but to the average consumer in the west they don’t really care. Let’s be honest, none of us are free from unethical consumption, there’s some parts of what you buy being made by unethical labour. Even Hamilton’s and tissots sources parts that they can from China while maintaining the 60% threshold for Swiss made designation mandated by the Swiss gov.
This watch is $458 usd. I know this because because I have one like it. Honestly I see no problem with wearing a replica, no point in spending thousands just for the hype. Of course replicas will never be as good as the real deal but they come damn close. I do hate when people pass them off as genuine, sure people may believe you but that's slimy behavior just be honest 🤷♂️
Did they at least tell you what it cost them? I can buy replicas that look identical to that one for 70$ each. That's why i found your video coz I'm about to buy one and check it out 🙂
@@TheTimekeeper Ah, one of those. My supplier even sell omega copies that are 2,5k+, such as the snoopy 50th anniversary, and being 2022 , aaa copies, but at that point i dont understand why you would buy a copy with no warranties or anything. Even 2,5k is alot for a watch Incase it break 😬
@@sharinglungs3226 Not sure why my answers here are getting deleted but yes you can. Obviously you can tell if you look closely on the earth in the middle as it's not laser engraved but from just a meters distance it's hard to tell it's a copy and automatic too. Can not share link here it seems as it makes my answer disappear.
"That's why you're paying thousands and thousands of dollars - they test them for underwater"... Bro cheap watches go underwater too, a gasket and screwdown crown are not expensive magic.
Wow, thanks!. This is a grail watch for me, and I find this to be disgusting. Some people, while anything but lazy, just can't help themselves from nefarious pursuits. I hope that they somehow face justice for the frauds that they are.
@@TheTimekeeper I really like the orient day date, I've always wanted one. I see nice vintage ones on utube all the time. In my opinion the orient looks the most like a rolex from 5 foot away. You mite find this hard to believe but the watch I wear the most is my seiko Day date jubilee
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1:48 maybe it's just camera effect but I can tell the fake instantly just by the quality of the dial. The real is so crisp and defined. The fake is blurred and crude. Just compare the lettering of Seamaster and the crisp colour of the Asian continent
Agreed... The "Seamaster" on the original is perfectly sharp--the replica looks out of focus? If it weren't for that detail, I'd prob own one...
Here is the thing: a 1:1 superclone of omega makes you wonder if the actual price is realistic.
two things: design takes a lot more work than to copy. and make a watch that lasts for decades is not as easy as a watch that will last 2 years.
You think a top end rep will last for 2 years? Copium…
@@nuggyfresh6430 how long will it last in your expertise?
@@DecemberNamesi have replicas which are now 18 years old, never had a service and still run.
yeah I heard the real brands have margins of up to 20x the manufacturing costs.
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7:35 That is the nice thing about Omega featuring mainly display casebacks these days: it makes it extraordinarily easy to spot a fake. That lever is the real escapement. The "escapement" and full bridge that sit on top of it are totally fake and inoperable. Basically, the majority of what you see there is a decorated cover plate, that sits over the real movement. Very few replica houses actually replicate an in house movement (I believe there is a Rolex Daytona super clone that does). The majority simply use a Chinese manufactured ETA clone, and I am aware of no one who has ever cloned an Omega co-axial escapement, so you can always see the standard Swiss lever under the faux bridge.
Very good information! Thank you for sharing.
Any chance I can send you a picture of the back of a worldtimer to see if you can tell whether its the co-axial escapement? Would be a huge help. Thank you.
@@anthonykim11 you can certainly post a link to a youtube vid or imgur and I can look
Wow, insane! I've had Rolex replicas before (and thats honestly how I've gotten into the hobby and now I only have real watches) but I've always had my eye on this Omega and its astonishing to see how crazy accurate these super clones have become!
It’s a beautiful watch. I’m in shock too. I actually held and tried on a real one today because I happened to be at an AD today ordering a new watch. It’s absolutely worth what they ask for it.
An absolute gap-filling video and spot-on review as well! In my opinion, there’s only one way you can really tell whether it’s a fake or not is under micro lens or by using a Lupe for close inspection. Additional red flag: (around 7:38) on the case back, right under the balance wheel you can easily spot even with a naked eye that this watch is using a basic anchor escapement instead of co-axial escapement.
I did notice something was off about the escapement but I was 100% sure so I didn’t point it out. I stuck with the things pretty much anyone could spot.
This is what is great about Omegas from the later 2000's and on: the co-axial escapement. For better or worse, it is a 100% replica tell. Even a Rolex 3135 still uses a swiss lever escapement, making it easier to clone. But I am aware of no one who has ever attempted to reproduce a co-axial escapement... because it is a colossal pia to do, and the Chinese Rep manufacturers still haven't figured out how to, at all, let alone in a cost effective way.
Legend has it that the only reason they are so good at the standard swiss movements is because ETA supposedly at one point have some Chinese factories manufacturing their movements, though I have not personally tracked down evidence to verify that claim.
Any chance I can send you a picture of the back of a worldtimer to see if you can tell whether its the co-axial escapement? Would be a huge help. Thank you.
I'm always surprised that a Worldtimer - for example - would get replicated. It's a low-volume watch and I can't see how this piece can be profitable... Except it must be... and therefore, it can't be that complicated to replicate.
Colectors of the real thing actually have a couple of fakes, it's kind of acceptable because of theft and my country security issue... in my case I rather have a brand new hamilton or second hand longines...
This is what I was thinking - the Rolex Cosmograph Daytona Platinum is running well over $100k USD on the secondary market. Would I wear this watch everywhere? Probably not. I would be slow to surrender one of those versus a super clone costing less than $2k. I'd part with the super clone and wish the new owner well vs. getting into a serious security situation where my wife would tell me to quit being stupid and hand over the watch.
Clone or real the issue of theft remains. A platinum Rolex goes for 100k on the secondary market, but that's one that is completely legit, with box and papers. A stolen one will be much harder to move and won't even sell for half the price, most likely it will go for about 10-20% its market value.
The famous Rapper Pop Smoke was murdered for his Rolex, a watch that retailed for over $30k that the killers sold for a measly $2,000.. and that was during the height of the rolex craze.
Not all robberies end in both parties walking away, if you're really concerned about it then simply don't buy them at all. A shiny bauble really isn't worth dying over.
8:48 - There are apps for your phone that will provide frequency and accuracy of the movement--Have used one and it's pretty slick. Used with external headphones basically taped to the watch.
The fact that you stated at the end of your video that you'd likely turn off the comment section if people were to share info about how to buy these fakes, I really appreciated. I like that your goal is to teach us how to spot a fake and not get ripped off, rather than promote these cheap fakes. You have morals and integrity.
Did those also include papers / cards from an authorized dealer?
How does this replica watch feel on the wrist? Is the bracelet of the same quality and comfort as a real Omega?
I tried on the real one at an AD and it felt about the same.
The watch feels a little heavy. I saw someone wrote the gen is lighter.
I’m impressed this could make a replica of this considering it’s unique laser etch process. I would also think this watch wouldn’t have the broad appeal of the lesser complicated Rolex watches. Why spend so much time and money to clone something for a small market?
For people like me 😂
There's a market for even the least popular watches. Hell they even make Cellini replicas.
I believe fake watches like this are close to 1k. We are not talking about $200 watch. Is really hard to notice differences when you see it on a wrist. However i saw other replicas under $50 that you can tell is fake from distance
Hola qué tal podría hablar contigo sobre la réplica?Te lo agradecía..Un saludo..Carlo.
Yeah they are btween 700-1000$ per piece .. which is good price for clone watch
Easier to look at "Seamaster" the Laser abladed titanium is proud and cut from metal. Where the fake is printed.
I have the authentic one and the clone. and I can tell you that it is the smallest details that make the difference. This made me rethink whether it is worth spending so many thousands of dollars on the authentic one, in the end the only difference I found was the quality of the letters. and that is no justification for me to pay so many thousands of dollars. What do you think??
Do you wear the fake one and keep the real one safe at home? It’s hard for me to justify spending almost $9000 for any watch. I try and wait to see what happens in the secondary market but I haven’t seen this watch for under $6000.
@@TheTimekeeper Obviously I didn't buy it for that. I bought it because I was intrigued by this situation, I wanted to see for myself the quality of this type of watches. In fact, the one I bought no longer has the regulator, it is a much more exact replica. My conclusion was that it is not worth spending so many thousands of dollars just for better engravings and almost 10% timing accuracy. I like watches, but I am also very critical when it comes to analyzing what I spend my money on.
I meant no disrespect but I’ve heard of folks wearing super clone Rolex’s and not really wearing the real ones out and about with less paranoia. It’s controversial to say the least. I’ve been at watch meet ups, and the subject of fake watches came up and one person was bold enough to say that anybody owning a fake watch, should be arrested. I don’t agree with that and from what I’ve seen owning a super clone is completely legal.
@@TheTimekeeper I understand, it is a complicated topic, I suppose that if what you are looking for is the history and innovation of the watchmaking company, an authentic watch is the best option, but if what you are looking for is good functioning, design, basically a watch that does the job, which is what I'm looking for in this model, then a super clone is the best for you, in the end the big watch houses get rich by inflating the prices of pieces that aren't really worth it, and I guess that's fine, that's how it works. capitalism, China is releasing its own brands with better calibers at very affordable prices, it will be interesting what will happen to the watch market in the future. Greetings and excellent video, it makes us think about how the watch market really works
Where did you buy this one? And how expensive
It always amuses me when the gap between replicas ("fakes") and homages is presented as some sort of monumental divide in legitimacy. I honestly fail to see how. Illegality of using a trademarked logo notwithstanding, on the consumer level, buying either a replica or an homage serve the exact same purpose: the buyer refusing to purchase the real watch, in favor of knowingly buying a watch its maker blatantly ripped the design off another company, in an effort to obtain, and show off, a watch that looks exactly like something more expensive. Whether it is 99% the same or only 98% the same, and what tiny logo printed on the dial is, that no one can see from more than a foot away, is of little consequence. Objectively speaking, from the consumer standpoint, buying either is effectively the exact same thing.
Now on the manufacturer side, of course, the unlicensed replica practice is indeed illegal, but we all know that, and no one is disputing that. But the vast majority of contempt in this line of discussion is aimed at the consumer, rather than the manufacturer, which is why I pointed this out, because I honestly see little difference, ethically, socially, or financially, between the two, on the consumer side..
I can see your point. I think homages exist to fill a gap for those who simply can’t afford the luxury watch that they desire. Even you can afford the watch, you can’t simply walk into the store and walk out with one (specifically taking about Rolex). Although totally legal, homages seem like a grey area where folks can get a taste of the real thing. After buying my gevril, I have not purchased another homage. There are so many original watches out there but I understand the appeal.
@@TheTimekeeper Ya legality aside, I wasn't taking a stance on the replica or homage market, nor was I attempting to admonish the consumers of either. I simply wanted to point out that there is little difference between the two.
Homages do indeed often serve as a gateway to the watches they are based on in a sort of "try before you buy" way. They amusingly often serve as advertising material for the bigger brands and actually lead to profit for those brands. As for loss of business, I feel that is a contrived and inaccurate argument: I defy you to find even one person that was in earnest going to buy a high end watch, and then decided to by an homage instead because it was a better value, resulting in a loss of sale. So when it comes to homages, while I personally prefer to either buy the original watch or find other, more unique pieces, I have no moral or ethical issues with homages as I see no harm and an actual benefit.
But my main point is, everything I just said about homages... is true about replicas as well. Again, I know of not one person who was on their way to the Omega store to buy a watch, and then decided to buy a replica from a local street vender instead... someone who can and wants to buy an Omega is going to buy an Omega. They may buy they rep first, but they will eventually buy the Omega. And anyone who never ends up buying an Omega was never going to buy it anyway, replica availability notwithstanding.
And I have my own admittedly anecdotal story to support this: I was never a watch guy. I always had a watch, but knew nothing about them... until I got the opportunity to inspect a very high end Replica Seamaster. I was fascinated with how close it was to the real thing, and in watching a comparison video on that same replica watch vs the real one, I became fascinated with automatic movements and watches in general. My obsession with watches started because of a replica, and eventually led to me finally obtaining a real Seamaster, and having it serviced directly at Omega. In the irony of all ironies, an illegal, unlicensed replica Omega led to profit for Omega.
those replicas are created to cheat
homages are for people who can't afford Rolex or Omega or even Seiko but want to check how any given watch looks on their wrist
also those homages are great base for modding !!
Myself, I wouldn't touch SKX but with some homage watch ? why not to change bezel or diar or movement or all at once !?
@@Tom_Kowalczuk "those replicas are created to cheat" ... I need to you qualify that statement. What exactly do you mean, and how does that differ from an homage?
"homages are for people who can't afford Rolex or Omega or even Seiko..." Everything else you say after this point is also true of replicas. I still fail to see any distinction between the two, on the consumer level. A replica is also for people who can't afford a Rolex or Omega. A replica also can be a base for modding, and even frankensteining (mixing replica with OEM parts).
Wearing a replica is pretending to wear the real thing. Wearing a homage is not. To me, this is a very big difference. A can afford the real thing and I have purchased original Omegas, Rolex, etc, but I also have come across original designs where I thought that the original was not worth buying, compared to the homage. So, I don’t agree with your opinion at all.
I suppose there are good reasons as why there are authorized dealers for these timepieces. Cool watch; totally would've fooled me (except maybe the price point)
Yup. When you get to certain level of watch, it just makes sense to go to reputable AD. Even reputable grey market dealer would be fine as well.
With people pushing the idea of watches for investment, super clones have become the watches to actually wear and enjoy. If they break, they can be serviced or simply be replaced with a new one at a cost less than the price of a full service of the real thing.
Where can I get one like this
I can help you out
movement is a big giveaway, 'Seamaster' text is also a big giveaway.
Thank you for the video, i really enjoyed watching it. Can you please tell me what number/code is on the clasp? Keep up the good work 👍
I haven't seen this watch in person but the globe insert instantly looked off in your video. That part looks way off to the genuine.
Where can I get this watch?? Just kidding!
One difference that is quite clear on the globe disk is the "SEAMASTER" type. On the original it is raised similar to Greenland, while on the fake it seems to be a lot flatter.
Superclones like this can be purchased with a water test.
I just kinda wanna know what factory this is from.
I honestly don’t know.
It's sad that watches that look good cost over 1k+. *amzwatch* watches are REALLY well made, and it just shows how a brand name on a watch can make its price 10x higher. I understand that if you look under a microscope, you'll find the difference, but just how many of you really inspect a watch at that level when you see someone with a watch?
There's a $200 fake version of this that came out when it came out back in 2019 I think it was. You should see how pathetically bad it is. The world map looks like it belongs on a Fisher Price Baby's walker with toy buttons to press. Like seriously even knock off buyers have standards.
You can get a *amzwatch* super clone for $300 or so and it will be indistinguishable from the real thing to 99.999% of people. The clones just keep getting better. The only reason to prefer a real one is if you want to support a big company. The best way to go about it is to buy the stainless steel models and buy a watch that matches your lifestyle. Another plus is if you travel with it you don't care to let it go if you're going to get mugged or if you lose it.
you could get invicta dive watch for less than 100 bucks and it will dive up to 500 meters, for this omega with the price you paid and exact callibber it should witstand anything above 50 or 100m
The easiest way to tell a fake Omega with that movement is with a magnet.
Hammers work too.
Damn you paid double for this. Its normally around 350 USD for a vsf
Where? Everywhere I've looked at is closer to $490
@@PaddyMcMe r/1688Time 🤫
@@PaddyMcMe350 is about right
@@QuikModsOBS Where?
Worryingly good. Other than also visually looking at the lack of co-axial escapement, looking at my WT and literally doing a spot the difference which was actually fun, there are many differences such as screw placements and other aspects that I am not willing to list as it will be a checklist to correct on the next attempt!
Obviously there were limits since I did not have the real watch to make a direct comparison. I did try a real one at an AD after making the video and I thought it was a striking piece.
Any chance I can send you a picture of the back of a worldtimer to see if you can tell whether its the co-axial escapement? Would be a huge help. Thank you.
I have the real omega worldtimer. MAN this is so REAL. I seriously cant point out the difference until he shows the weird finishing at the back that is subtle as fuck! Jeez this is so scary. Now i want to buy the fake so i can wear it as a beater watch 😅
With precision workmanship like this, why don't they make their own brand of watch?
They certainly could make a really nice original watch for sure.
Why spend all the money on marketing for brand recognition when these brands not only spend millions on marketing but have literally over a hundred years of history and recognition. For crooks it's a win-win scenario.
That's exactly why they do it. It takes time and money to build up a brand.
I sometimes wonder if they will eventually pitch themselves as overseas manufacturers to one of the big watch brands where they can show them they can make an identical watch for a fraction of what it costs them in Switzerland or wherever.
This is beginning to happen in the bicycling world. The Chinese manufacturers who literally make all the carbon fibre frames and wheels, save only two French brands who make everything themselves, are making their own brands with what is measurably better quality than the name brands spec for their frames. The whole bicycle world could be turned upside down as more consumers get educated on the inherent quality of the Chinese brands over the European brands. Hambini has a great TH-cam channel calling out the sad state of the Euro brands and their failure to make decent quality frames and wheels.
the entire comment section complimenting how excellent and dependable replica watches
Thus, by outlining every aspect of the fake watch, you are endorsing it
Suppose that you don't know anything else about the watch, such as whether it's waterproof or not, when you can merely test them by immersing them in water, but you have time to test the movement instead🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀
And if that's not enough, how in the world did you get the super clone fake watch besides buying it to use
dont tell me that u gonna toss it away after u bought it for usd$1000
Unless you have the actual watch, we can really get it to prove that you aren't supporting the fake market watches.
I will never be able to buy the real. I want to buy a fake. Please provide the link
I can help you out
Great work exposing this one! Cheers, D
I have this same watch. From VSF. It's very very nice. There is only one thing. Sometimes when the light hits the map directly, the map's colors look very dull, almost gray. And sometimes it looks blue but too bright. I don't like this. I checked the original watch and the colors on it always look nice to my eyes. Laser ablation makes a big difference here.
Was looking at buying a preowned one until i watched this video, will not be doing that now
Scary out there with these clones.
Some of the fakes come from same factories as original ones..... side hustle theft.
All of the flaws that people are talking about are only visible if you hand them the watch and they know what to look for or have a genuine one to compare. Otherwise, if you can't see them from a normal viewing distance it really doesn't matter.
I subbed on this info, thanks buddy
Don't condone buying fakes unless it's for a TH-cam grift .... right got ya .
When they can make such accurate copies it makes you wonder why a watch has to be so expensive. Probably costs 100 bucks to make the real branded watch and then $50k goes to a Swiss banker. The replicas have a badass, bandit, rebel aesthetic to them.
hahahahaahahahahahahhaahha
Probably costs a lot more than $100 for the legitimate ones. We’re talking several hours to assemble and test from a skilled craftsman. My guess is probably closer to $1k.
Labor costs are different. I'm sure the Chinese workers work in sweatshops for 14 hours and get paid $10 a day. The Swiss workers get $35 and hour plus benefits.
@@the.hamel.mammal7802 but to the average consumer in the west they don’t really care. Let’s be honest, none of us are free from unethical consumption, there’s some parts of what you buy being made by unethical labour. Even Hamilton’s and tissots sources parts that they can from China while maintaining the 60% threshold for Swiss made designation mandated by the Swiss gov.
Very good ! Thanks, well done !
Great video
Thank you!
Do you know the manufacture Name, where can i buy this Kind of super fakes
This watch is $458 usd. I know this because because I have one like it. Honestly I see no problem with wearing a replica, no point in spending thousands just for the hype. Of course replicas will never be as good as the real deal but they come damn close. I do hate when people pass them off as genuine, sure people may believe you but that's slimy behavior just be honest 🤷♂️
Where can i get this
Have you compared it next to the real watch?
Where did you bought it?
I paid $280 for mine from a 1688 vendor
Did they at least tell you what it cost them? I can buy replicas that look identical to that one for 70$ each. That's why i found your video coz I'm about to buy one and check it out 🙂
They told me it was like $700.
@@TheTimekeeper Ah, one of those. My supplier even sell omega copies that are 2,5k+, such as the snoopy 50th anniversary, and being 2022 , aaa copies, but at that point i dont understand why you would buy a copy with no warranties or anything. Even 2,5k is alot for a watch Incase it break 😬
I wouldn’t recommend buying these watches.
Can you even build a replica of this watch for $70 even with dirt poor labour costs? I find that claim highly unlikely.
@@sharinglungs3226 Not sure why my answers here are getting deleted but yes you can. Obviously you can tell if you look closely on the earth in the middle as it's not laser engraved but from just a meters distance it's hard to tell it's a copy and automatic too. Can not share link here it seems as it makes my answer disappear.
Yeah fuck buying a $5000+ gen. If I can have the same exact watch for 1/10th the price, I'm sticking with the fake every time.
"That's why you're paying thousands and thousands of dollars - they test them for underwater"... Bro cheap watches go underwater too, a gasket and screwdown crown are not expensive magic.
Agreed
Beautiful it looks real
Bravissimo un commento molto corretto ed esaustivo.
Bravo!!!
Grazie! Faccio del mio meglio.
@@TheTimekeeper Ho iniziato a seguire.
A risentirci 👏👍🏼
There's another such thing as a fake watch. It tells time and functions normally. Just say it's not authentic.
$700 more like $420ish at best
Thumbs up if this watch is from puretimewatches
Wow, thanks!. This is a grail watch for me, and I find this to be disgusting. Some people, while anything but lazy, just can't help themselves from nefarious pursuits. I hope that they somehow face justice for the frauds that they are.
Dammmmmmmm, Chinese 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆👍
I know right.
I predict I win the orient
It ended. The winner was chosen.
@@TheTimekeeper I'm really hoping seiko puts out a really really nice day date with a presidential band
@@TheTimekeeper I really like the orient day date, I've always wanted one. I see nice vintage ones on utube all the time. In my opinion the orient looks the most like a rolex from 5 foot away.
You mite find this hard to believe but the watch I wear the most is my seiko
Day date jubilee
@@petehamada7073 orient makes a mean watch for the money. No argument there.
@@TheTimekeeper yeap....... I want one
Your real one looks fake. Doesn’t have any gold. Doesn’t look like my 2024 model
Scarry clone
every copy or clone or however such shit are called is disgrace to someone's work and should be STRONGLY forbidden by law to trade with
moneycheetah7 is only guy I trust