I wonder if it ever occurred to GW that many (if not most) players given the choice would prefer cheaper models and not better models. I bought one finecast model. Based on my experiences with that, I am staying away from finecast models in the future if possible. - Yes, the edges were more defined than plastic and metal models. - As far as I can tell, the prices were raised about 40%. Annual price adjustment or not, that much is not justified. - Bobbles seem to be one of the major concerns. There are bobbles in mine, but only one needed filling before painting. - My biggest problem was that the all the pieces were warped. I was unable to assemble it in the correct way. - Gluing metal was hard. Gluing finecast models is not much easier. I bought a LOTR warg rider model. The warg is standing on a fallen soldier. The casting was so warped that, I had to model a rock and place the warg on that instead, because it simply wouldn't fit on top of the fallen soldier. It was warped 3-4mm. That is a lot on such a small miniature.
Can't say the detail is honestly any higher than the new plastic ones. If anything its all ruined with bad forming and you need to remove half the model due to mold lines.
A miniature that costs about £15 a piece shouldn't have any manufacturing issues. No bent swords and staves. No horrid bits to clean up. No powdery crap. Just a model, no problems, no crap, we pay stupid money for the quality. Do I expect problems? No!
Finecast! More like Fail-Cast! The Miniatures are fragile, a filled with a lot of flack to cut off and are hella expensive. And when the Resin breaks it does not stick back together that well with glue. The miniatures also don't stand up to heat that well and have been known to melt in sunlight. Compared to the new Reaper Bones miniatures the Finecast are cruddy as hell. The Bones miniatures are cheap, paint well and are resilient (Although at times require some dipping in hot water to reshape bends).
Hey, I know I'm necroing, but I've searched and can't find the follow up videos you referred to in this one. I'm particularly interested in the side by side comparison after painting.
thanks for the vid. Still not fully decided on this finecast line- I'm one of the few that likes working with metal as that's what I'm used to using. Also the initial casts may be fine but as the same mould is used repeatedly will the quality of these casts deteriorate quicker than the metals (eg metals get progressively more mould lines)?
Matt, not sure if you check back on this video, but given that lots of people have reported issues with bubbles and so forth did you see returns prior to the shop closing? (Also, Reaper > GW but that's just me and just for RPGs ;) )
@TheTuckag super glue, apparently the bond is strong enough (and the resin light enough) to not require pinning on models that, in metal, would have certainly needed it.
Hey, I just started doing miniature tabletop characters as both a form of entertainment with friends and as a hobby. I was wondering if I need all the things they recommend(files, knives, etc.) and I was also wondering if I NEED to pin the minis...I know this may seem off the topic of the video, but I don't know where else to get some assistance
i got one of their finecast miniatures (a skulltaker) there is apsolutly no release resadew on the model they are ready to gule together, undercoat and paint out of the box
I absolutely HATE finecast, i bought that very model, the plastic is very brittle breaks extremely easy (broke just coming out of the sprue) and i had warps, the staff was warped, the stormbolter didn't aim right and i had bubbles, and when i bought a techmarine finecast i had the same problem. Finecast is garbage.
@sashant1018 no, the harm in resin dust comes form the same problems as inhaling flour, concrete dust, sawdust, fine silt. it can cake up on your lungs and cause respiration issues. you know that white coating inside canned goods. thats a resin coating.
0:45 I know this is old now but that made me chuckle. FW is so much more forgiving and replaceable even if you're not an experienced modeller it's not as fragile as finecast which is thankfully disappearing, albeit slowly.
I brought a fine cast librarian terminator, very excited to finish off a themed pre-crusade space marine army I'd been working on. To my dismay, however, when it arrived, I was extremely angry. Not only were all of the left hand options warped beyond recognition, the body had slipped in the mold, there were a ridiculous amount of air bubbles, and, I found the resin quite hard to paint. The first and last finecast I will ever buy.
can someone explain to me the difference between finecast, resin, plastic and metal? is finecast metal? what kind of metal is it and more importantly what is resin? sorry for the noobish question.
Hey, question for everyone here really. Does anyone know if it's possible to strip paint from these finecast nodels? I'd try myself but they are too pricey to take teh risk on them personally. And Sprue is not a good enough test for a strip imo as it's mainly flat and would be better to test on something with a bit of intriicate work. I'm just wondering if this material is made so we hobby-ist CAN'T strip em. Just a thought...
You ask for help on various miniatures forums. Myself, I found the Reaper miniatures forums very helpful, although they rarely talk about GW mini's. Anyway, many mini's do not need pinning, but those who do not have tabs for bases, or those which have multiple heavy parts, often need pinning. A good hobby knife is all you need. You can also get an engraving pen in the jeweler's section of an arts and crafts shop for $10.
Only had bad experiences with Finecast so far: > Two boxes of Striking Scorps, most of whose weapons were unusable, > Several LOTR boxes which have lots of flash and there two halves were not inline with each other :-( I now buy plastics only now as a consequence :-(
For everyone who wants the best superglue, get loctite power flex, thats how its spelt, drys within 7 seconds metal or resin/plastic, handle with extreme care as once its glued you wont be able to change it :)
@HollowVampire Ah, thanks. I'm in the UK, so it's £36 over here. I'll probably have a look around for other places that do finecast cheaper. I managed to pick up a Trygon for £25, which are normally about £31, from Wargames Workshop.
i got that very model the terminator librarian and the arm that is pointing was so messed up with bubbles that i had to cut it off and put a plastic arm on and i went through all the packs in the shop and that one looked the best ? i like plastic!
You're completely right about people misinterpreting the release of these with a price increase. I saw the new miniatures and thought, "cool." When I looked at the prices I thought, "What the hell is this? The prices should be the same if not cheaper compared to the metal models."
@Pariah1974 the resin they are using is very flexable, i test dropped several identical characters in metal and finecast and the finecast dont break! it is a good resin mix when they can be bothered to cast it properly
@EDzzzzz13 It realy depends on the model itself, I find. For example, a normal Space Marine covers his chest with his boltgun, so it's easier to paint the torso before attaching the weapon.
the resin may not be the reason for the price increase, but if its cheaper to produce why did these new models also take such a huge (in some cases over 30%) increase?
@VvInstinctvV They will be slowly taking each metal miniature off their site and convert it to resin. They just took the ones they thought was needed to be changed and made them resin. Sooner or later, every metal figure will become resin.
I am not convinced that all of the 40%+ price increase for these things is 'standard GW price rise', and I am sure that the increase is partially because they can be marketted as 'new and improved' miniatures, even where the moulds are the same. Anyway, thanks for this video. Its really useful, and I appreciate that it was the point of view of a fan, not necessarily someone trying to sell me stuff.
@Vehementi The resin Hive Tyrant is already out. Go to Games Workshop's site and look at the 40K Fine Casts. You can click the banner. Good luck though. The Resin Hive Tyrant is $59.30. Too much in my opinion.
Luckily, we found ways to sort this. We still shouldn't have to go out of our way to improve the quality of our miniatures, they should be ready to assemble as soon as we get them
@ActarratcA It's called The Sales of Goods Act; you could in theory get a full refund on something you bought months ago by evoking this Act; shoddy electrical goods that become faulty just after the manufacturer's warranty runs out is a good example.
I don't play much anymore, but I still really enjoy the painting aspect. Mostly, I buy old metals off of eBay to paint. Love painting Eldar, SM, and CSM. SM and CSM because of the detail on special characters and Elder because of all the potential for OSL.
personally i like the finecast. Yes the fact that the bends are harder too fix and the molds lines seem to be more prevalent is very annoying, however for me the building and painting has been incredibly easier and the details are more easily noticed. They're not perfect but i take the good with the bad and enjoy the model itself still.
for them to say the best quility in the world is a subjective statement, its not up to them to decide that, its down to the consumer to make that decision. the objective statement for them to make would have been to say its the best they have done. but i wont gripe on that too much. they look excelent
IMO, I like the new type of material used. It will be easier to put together and has great detail. I don't mind the 1$ increase on my Astoroth the Grim I bought yesterday for the decrease in hassle of putting together and transporting. Lack of durability was such a big issue with metal. Seriously I've had old plastic termagants that would bounce if it fell off the table. If a metal/plastic model fell over it would fall apart. If an all metal model fell off the table it would shatter.
I don't think people think that the increase in price is due to the finecast miniatures, I think people are enraged that the increase is incredibly high AND they are going to a cheaper medium, lighter to ship, and in the midst of competition that offers more stable rule sets.
@ninchao1 i cant remember the name of it, but it applies to any company who sells you things, if the product is faulty they have to give you a full refund.(it definately applies in Britain, not sure about other countries but i would think so) they are now more expensive at the time the comment was written, a full 7 months ago, they both cost the same. (i did actually check the site when i wrote it) every year GW ups its prices, it had nothing to do with finecast. I hope this satisfies you.
Nice to see an unbiased review instead of reactionary. Although I have heard that apparently there's a lot of flawed miniatures in some batches. Hopefully when seeing them first hand they will prove to be as good as you say, I certainly would prefer to work with resin than metal.
I wonder if it ever occurred to GW that many (if not most) players given the choice would prefer cheaper models and not better models.
I bought one finecast model. Based on my experiences with that, I am staying away from finecast models in the future if possible.
- Yes, the edges were more defined than plastic and metal models.
- As far as I can tell, the prices were raised about 40%. Annual price adjustment or not, that much is not justified.
- Bobbles seem to be one of the major concerns. There are bobbles in mine, but only one needed filling before painting.
- My biggest problem was that the all the pieces were warped. I was unable to assemble it in the correct way.
- Gluing metal was hard. Gluing finecast models is not much easier.
I bought a LOTR warg rider model. The warg is standing on a fallen soldier. The casting was so warped that, I had to model a rock and place the warg on that instead, because it simply wouldn't fit on top of the fallen soldier. It was warped 3-4mm. That is a lot on such a small miniature.
Can't say the detail is honestly any higher than the new plastic ones. If anything its all ruined with bad forming and you need to remove half the model due to mold lines.
Not Matt, but we replaced quite a few of the resin models due to bubbles and other miscasts.
A miniature that costs about £15 a piece shouldn't have any manufacturing issues. No bent swords and staves. No horrid bits to clean up.
No powdery crap.
Just a model, no problems, no crap, we pay stupid money for the quality. Do I expect problems? No!
Finecast! More like Fail-Cast! The Miniatures are fragile, a filled with a lot of flack to cut off and are hella expensive. And when the Resin breaks it does not stick back together that well with glue. The miniatures also don't stand up to heat that well and have been known to melt in sunlight. Compared to the new Reaper Bones miniatures the Finecast are cruddy as hell. The Bones miniatures are cheap, paint well and are resilient (Although at times require some dipping in hot water to reshape bends).
6 years later and GW are slowly getting around to replacing their failcast
Nothing against you Miniwargaming
But its Failcast ;)
I've forever blowing bubbles, pretty bubbles in the .. plastic.
Hey, I know I'm necroing, but I've searched and can't find the follow up videos you referred to in this one.
I'm particularly interested in the side by side comparison after painting.
@pbar0guy I actually pulled that tab to start. It didn't do much for this one...
thanks for the vid. Still not fully decided on this finecast line- I'm one of the few that likes working with metal as that's what I'm used to using. Also the initial casts may be fine but as the same mould is used repeatedly will the quality of these casts deteriorate quicker than the metals (eg metals get progressively more mould lines)?
Matt, not sure if you check back on this video, but given that lots of people have reported issues with bubbles and so forth did you see returns prior to the shop closing?
(Also, Reaper > GW but that's just me and just for RPGs ;) )
hey does this mean that the metal ones will be doubly colectable in the future and worth more?
Will all of the metal models be upgraded to finecast at the same day?
I mean, will I be able to get a resin hive tyrant?
@TheTuckag super glue, apparently the bond is strong enough (and the resin light enough) to not require pinning on models that, in metal, would have certainly needed it.
There is a tab you can pull to make opening far easier than portrayed.
whoooooooa! do you want some model to go with your flash?
Hey, I just started doing miniature tabletop characters as both a form of entertainment with friends and as a hobby. I was wondering if I need all the things they recommend(files, knives, etc.) and I was also wondering if I NEED to pin the minis...I know this may seem off the topic of the video, but I don't know where else to get some assistance
one thing I like is how flexible the new miniatures are - you can drop them and they will bounce, whereas a metal miniature would be in pieces.
On the GW site, they said you don't need to wash the resin before painting...good news for the smaller parts.
Why am I watching this in 2018? Wtf..
so am I 😂
Why am I watching this in 2019? These questions might never be answered...
Or in 2020
@@adamschwoerer7306 Or 2021
Now how many miscasts did you have? I heard they are quite rampant throughout the finecast range.
What are ya going to do with all the old metal ones?? SALE?? =D
i got one of their finecast miniatures (a skulltaker) there is apsolutly no release resadew on the model they are ready to gule together, undercoat and paint out of the box
@Harbaugh87 what was your opinion about? And what was it? What did he think?
What kind of glue do you use to attach these new finecast mini's?
Did that miniture always have a stormbolter option? or is that a finecast extra?
I absolutely HATE finecast, i bought that very model, the plastic is very brittle breaks extremely easy (broke just coming out of the sprue) and i had warps, the staff was warped, the stormbolter didn't aim right and i had bubbles, and when i bought a techmarine finecast i had the same problem. Finecast is garbage.
I'm trying to be very hazardous when it comes to the material the finecast models are made of, so tell me, is the resin gw uses toxic or safe.
+Brendon Milligan Sounds like it was corrupted by ruinous powers of chaos. Inquisition should get a call about this.
Awsome i wonder how they paint compared to plastic and metal
What was the guy saying I was distracted by all the shiny pewter models in the background.
SO would you suggest i find characters only available in Finecast from GW, somewhere else in plastic version ?
Did they only change the metal minis to resin?
it seems the detail on the resins are more deep/defined.
I can't find the finecast on your store.
Are there any health risks connected to this type of resin (dust etc)
GW states that you dont have to wash them wich is really cool, did you see any bent polls or anything?
Is everything games workshop make gonna be finecast, or are they gonna keep standard plastics?
Is there a Termie Chaplain Finecast model ?
@shadowynne never said it was a problem o.O... also whats QC?
I cant wait to get some of these models, it will be easy to convert the new resin models
Does anyone know if these new resin kits are still made in the UK~?
By the way which song is in the background?
@sashant1018 no, the harm in resin dust comes form the same problems as inhaling flour, concrete dust, sawdust, fine silt. it can cake up on your lungs and cause respiration issues. you know that white coating inside canned goods. thats a resin coating.
0:45 I know this is old now but that made me chuckle. FW is so much more forgiving and replaceable even if you're not an experienced modeller it's not as fragile as finecast which is thankfully disappearing, albeit slowly.
I like the finecast but i have a question. ARE THEY EASIER TO GLUE!!?!?!!
I brought a fine cast librarian terminator, very excited to finish off a themed pre-crusade space marine army I'd been working on. To my dismay, however, when it arrived, I was extremely angry. Not only were all of the left hand options warped beyond recognition, the body had slipped in the mold, there were a ridiculous amount of air bubbles, and, I found the resin quite hard to paint. The first and last finecast I will ever buy.
can someone explain to me the difference between finecast, resin, plastic and metal? is finecast metal? what kind of metal is it and more importantly what is resin? sorry for the noobish question.
every finecast model i've seen for myself so far had some kind of casting error: bubbles, missing parts, random flesh, bended bits...
Is Matt The manager of the miniwargaming store? Who is in charge?
by the looks of it you'll reach your weight goal easily just by opening enough of those new blister packs
@Monly I'm not the only one paying more attention to their product lines since GW's recent price hike.
I just hope that the resin miniatures will be easier to glue than the metal ones
Hey, question for everyone here really.
Does anyone know if it's possible to strip paint from these finecast nodels?
I'd try myself but they are too pricey to take teh risk on them personally. And Sprue is not a good enough test for a strip imo as it's mainly flat and would be better to test on something with a bit of intriicate work. I'm just wondering if this material is made so we hobby-ist CAN'T strip em. Just a thought...
You ask for help on various miniatures forums. Myself, I found the Reaper miniatures forums very helpful, although they rarely talk about GW mini's. Anyway, many mini's do not need pinning, but those who do not have tabs for bases, or those which have multiple heavy parts, often need pinning. A good hobby knife is all you need. You can also get an engraving pen in the jeweler's section of an arts and crafts shop for $10.
Watching this while working on fine cast. Find it funny how I have tobsand off the logo on the base to get them to fit in snugly lol.
@TheRealThang88 I think its only the Blister packs (metal) that are switching to resin
Finecast is brilliant. I dropped my Sanguinor and it fell about 4 ft and bounced...not a single scratch on it and the wings stayed on.
i dropped a flayed one and it snapped at the leg.
When was this line? Late 5th or 6th.
So do they have residue?
They still use the same molds, they just don't take them out of the sprues now like they use to do with metals ones.
is storm bolter new for liby model?
@BanzaiM50 I've been hearing the same. I've also heard the name "Failcast" thrown around quite a bit.
@miniwargaming in the end tab or no tab it involves lots of tearing and ripping to get to the precious resin model but its so worth any paper cuts lol
Matt ripping a blister pack. Epic.
awesome, resin seems nifty...so what am i meant to do with all my unpainted metal models? :P
Only had bad experiences with Finecast so far:
> Two boxes of Striking Scorps, most of whose weapons were unusable,
> Several LOTR boxes which have lots of flash and there two halves were not inline with each other :-(
I now buy plastics only now as a consequence :-(
Thumbs up for Matt-proof packaging!
For everyone who wants the best superglue, get loctite power flex, thats how its spelt, drys within 7 seconds metal or resin/plastic, handle with extreme care as once its glued you wont be able to change it :)
@HollowVampire Ah, thanks.
I'm in the UK, so it's £36 over here.
I'll probably have a look around for other places that do finecast cheaper. I managed to pick up a Trygon for £25, which are normally about £31, from Wargames Workshop.
@acidknight3
yes. they are even easier to glue than plastic models (with super glue at least, thats all i use)
Will LotR have Finecast?
Good idea! I for one would love that. Imagine paying £60 for a Land Raider with warped gun barrels, air bubbles all over and mold lines a-plenty.
i got that very model the terminator librarian and the arm that is pointing was so messed up with bubbles that i had to cut it off and put a plastic arm on and i went through all the packs in the shop and that one looked the best ? i like plastic!
You're completely right about people misinterpreting the release of these with a price increase. I saw the new miniatures and thought, "cool." When I looked at the prices I thought, "What the hell is this? The prices should be the same if not cheaper compared to the metal models."
guys guys... its not the miniture thats worth so much, its the new packaging :)
Take me back to this time.
@Pariah1974 the resin they are using is very flexable, i test dropped several identical characters in metal and finecast and the finecast dont break! it is a good resin mix when they can be bothered to cast it properly
@EDzzzzz13 It realy depends on the model itself, I find. For example, a normal Space Marine covers his chest with his boltgun, so it's easier to paint the torso before attaching the weapon.
@Toxicrafa No. That's what Matt from MWG said. Were you listening?
@doremicom i talked with someone in gw the other day and apparently these were old prices that they are just returning back to
the resin may not be the reason for the price increase, but if its cheaper to produce why did these new models also take such a huge (in some cases over 30%) increase?
I believe they said these are the most highly detailed >>mass produced
@VvInstinctvV They will be slowly taking each metal miniature off their site and convert it to resin. They just took the ones they thought was needed to be changed and made them resin. Sooner or later, every metal figure will become resin.
one of the people brought a huron blackheart and they received 2 axe arms
I am not convinced that all of the 40%+ price increase for these things is 'standard GW price rise', and I am sure that the increase is partially because they can be marketted as 'new and improved' miniatures, even where the moulds are the same. Anyway, thanks for this video. Its really useful, and I appreciate that it was the point of view of a fan, not necessarily someone trying to sell me stuff.
@Vehementi The resin Hive Tyrant is already out.
Go to Games Workshop's site and look at the 40K Fine Casts. You can click the banner.
Good luck though. The Resin Hive Tyrant is $59.30. Too much in my opinion.
Luckily, we found ways to sort this. We still shouldn't have to go out of our way to improve the quality of our miniatures, they should be ready to assemble as soon as we get them
have you guys seen AGProductions video on GW's conspiracy? It's extremely interesting.
@drunkonmilk87 I think it's just going to be metal models that will be finecast. Not too sure about the hybrid kits like Thousand Son's though.
@Tuscuttar not everything, i know gandolph the white is out. i forget what other ones, lol
I am look forward to the New Sternguard Veterans they appears to be easier to convert for My Iron Hands Sub-Chapter.
@ActarratcA It's called The Sales of Goods Act; you could in theory get a full refund on something you bought months ago by evoking this Act; shoddy electrical goods that become faulty just after the manufacturer's warranty runs out is a good example.
I don't play much anymore, but I still really enjoy the painting aspect. Mostly, I buy old metals off of eBay to paint. Love painting Eldar, SM, and CSM. SM and CSM because of the detail on special characters and Elder because of all the potential for OSL.
personally i like the finecast. Yes the fact that the bends are harder too fix and the molds lines seem to be more prevalent is very annoying, however for me the building and painting has been incredibly easier and the details are more easily noticed. They're not perfect but i take the good with the bad and enjoy the model itself still.
for them to say the best quility in the world is a subjective statement, its not up to them to decide that, its down to the consumer to make that decision. the objective statement for them to make would have been to say its the best they have done. but i wont gripe on that too much. they look excelent
Man Matt has been doing this a while.
to me it just looks like they have more depth in the resin modles
IMO, I like the new type of material used. It will be easier to put together and has great detail.
I don't mind the 1$ increase on my Astoroth the Grim I bought yesterday for the decrease in hassle of putting together and transporting. Lack of durability was such a big issue with metal. Seriously I've had old plastic termagants that would bounce if it fell off the table. If a metal/plastic model fell over it would fall apart. If an all metal model fell off the table it would shatter.
I don't think people think that the increase in price is due to the finecast miniatures, I think people are enraged that the increase is incredibly high AND they are going to a cheaper medium, lighter to ship, and in the midst of competition that offers more stable rule sets.
one of the people brought a huron blackheart and he received 2 axe arms
@ninchao1 i cant remember the name of it, but it applies to any company who sells you things, if the product is faulty they have to give you a full refund.(it definately applies in Britain, not sure about other countries but i would think so)
they are now more expensive at the time the comment was written, a full 7 months ago, they both cost the same. (i did actually check the site when i wrote it) every year GW ups its prices, it had nothing to do with finecast. I hope this satisfies you.
Nice to see an unbiased review instead of reactionary. Although I have heard that apparently there's a lot of flawed miniatures in some batches. Hopefully when seeing them first hand they will prove to be as good as you say, I certainly would prefer to work with resin than metal.
And to this day finecast is known as garbage