Guilliman: What manner of monstrosity is this, Cawl? Cawl: This is an improvement, my lord. His ass is fused with the bike. The perfect amalgamation of man and machine. Guilliman: ...
I avoid finecast tbh. I find it shocking that a company that sells a premium product has a policy of 'let the customer do the QC'. Some of the early finecast conversions from metal, particularly the thin ones like necrons, were ridiculously bad.
I just bought a thunderfire cannon unaware that it was a fine cast model because I love the idea of a massive stroller piece that's just a gatling cannon. The techmarine turned out more or less ok but the quality or lack thereof on the cannon just turned me off of any of GW's resin kits.
Keep in mind (and I'm not defending GW here; I'm brand agnostic when it comes the hobby) that at the time they released Finecast they had a CEO who went on record stating the GW wasn't a game manufacturer but a purveyor of boutique collectibles. This is also the point where one or both of the components that make up the "white" metals used for miniatures had begun to steadily creep up; Finecast was basically a cost saving measure that allowed them to use the vulcanized silicone molds made for white metal with resin. That some of these molds were older and had started break down meant that there were going to be issues and, though I have no knowledge in regards to this, I suspect at least one person brought this up and it was "taken under advisement" which, as we all know, is bureaucratic speak for "duly noted, now shut your mouth".
I have their current Striking Scorpion Exarch, it's a very nice figure ruined by a several tiny pock marks and a glaring crater in his back, it's fixable. Then there was the box of half melted Dark Reapers, the left sides were all melted and the missile launchers looked like malformed sausages, why GW allowed that crap to go out the door is beyond me. I guess they were rushing to revamp the line plus they were working with an inferior material *(floor sweepings from a plastic factory and dried banana slugs)* and we get Fail Cast!
Those are the backpacks from the old tactical space marine sprues - I recognize them and yeah, the attached to the sprue top and bottom. Probably going back to 3rd or 4th ed.
man the metal model brings back so many memories of playing as a kid. soooo many of them used to be metal. and back them i didnt prime anything so all the paint peeled off after like 3 days
The fine cast minis were metal minis they added gates to and made the finecast moulds from. The insurance for stores got so crazy due to the value of the metals they were forced to suddenly create finecast to keep their brick and motar stores solvent/viable. GW uses spin moulds rather than vaccum casting that most resin based companies use, which is one of the rasons that the quality can suffer. The other was that due to demand, they were taking the still soft resin from the moulds too early due to the need to re-do all their stock. This created all the horrid warping you often see. It also didn't help that in their hurry they forgot to do any quality control. Years later though, the demand and need has died down and the quality is at least passable. Lastly, the backpacks were from the old tactical marine sprue, you just get a random one clipped off it.
The Backpacks are likely from the 3rd Edition Space Marine box. X5 backpacks on a sprue with gates from 12 and 6 o clock on the sculpts. GW used to sell them as stand alone.
I have never seen a space marine backpack that was not attached to the sprue like the two you got here. Every single Space marine kit I bought in 3rd-6th edition for my Thousand Sons or Ravenwing forces I built or the Recent Kill team I built just this past month with Mark III armour Marines EVERY SINGLE BACKPACK was EXACTLY ATTACHED LIKE YOURS HERE.
ahhh just my luck, every Space marine kit I have built, 5th edition and sixth edition tactical marines, deathwatch, and primaris have the sprue connected to the BALL of the backpack!
3:00 I actually have the metal version of that Chaplain Model still with the Crozius and power fist. I think it was from back around 5th edition give or take where outfitting troops had more freedom so you could double up on powerful melee weapons like that.
Timely, as I just spent a few hours last night assembling some fine cast tankbustas until I could no longer tell what was model detail and what was leftover support. It was a pretty dispiriting use of my hobby time.
Those are the old 3rd edition Space Marine power packs that used to come with all Space Marine boxes, and when I used to buy blister characters they were packed with even older power packs back then.
All 3 psyker options for guard are still metal, ratlings too, as well as the characters Harker, Straken, Pask. Commissar with powerfist, and the regimental advisers. I would like to have most of them, but I don't want metal.
I don’t know for how long GW have been selling boxes without any art on but it’s really grinding my gears considering lockdown. I remember hearing that the boxes cost more to make than the plastic so it’s obviously a cost saving strategy to mass produce the cheapest products but it’s genuinely ridiculous that at the current moment you literally cannot get models with box art for a lot of stuff they sell on the store
I bought the Commemorative Terminator Chaplain Tarentus a couple weeks ago, supposed to show up sometime in the next 128 days. Fingers crossed it turns out as nice as yours.
Would a chaplain be in charge of any chaos tomes that the chapter may come across for later disposal. Or do they just chain down the codex astartes like that so no one may check the rules.
Being a new 40K’er I started Tau and started collecting my army and I really like the sprue models, never tried a finecast but I’m planning on getting the shadow sun in FC, but I got a few metal Krootox with kroot rider and OMG metal is HORRIBLE the details look all weird and the model didn’t fit together at all I have to green stuff the hell out of it , and just looks sloppy. Hoping finecast is a better experience i understand that the krrotox are older models too but wow can’t believe people perfer metal...
The bones that Chaplin is carrying, are fallen space marine brothers, there's a chapter about this in the space marine codex, its so even in death they can serve
That Chaplin with the power fist is from back in 5th edition when a crozius was just a normal power weapon that was strength: user ignores armor, and the power fist went last but was strength: x2
Yeah, its all about the initiative change. Great vs tanks and monsters, but against something that was also going last the Crozius was your chance to remove a few models before taking any hits.
I got one of those Chaplains back in a while, and it had a different backpack. I also have a Space Marine sprue from 4th Edition, and it had the backpacks attached like that, on the top and the bottom. I guess they use the old mold for single pieces.
Backpacks always came like that in the 90s, I have lots of them packed away, if I remember right there were 6 on each sprue, some had vents, some were plain and some had skulls on the rear plate. I had both these chaplains made from metal years ago, I had them all, collected figures never gamed with them. I never liked failcast, especially when they first came out, very poor castings, guess I'm old school white metal. Started collecting these in 1986. Space marines mainly, I have a Black templar army and a Blood raven army, even got the old resin forgeword Thunderhawk in the loft. Stopped collecting 7 years ago when my daughter was born. Had no time to paint or room as my hobby room became her bedroom. Happy days. 👍
@@minigamerjeonsofbattle9376 yes ILM, loads of behind the scenes footage of them coming out recently. Model makers have been greebling for 45 years, thanks in part to that team.
Think about the scale on those bones tho, he’s a 10ft tall primaris, those could be regular short guy human bones maybe not a femur but maybe a tibia or forearm bone
Greebling isn't something that originated from Star Wars...it's a general modeling term for small pieces just added to be details on it. You can go back to the old scifi serials and even display work to see them if you look at things there just to add detail where there would be.
The term greeble did originate from Star Wars, it was a term used the ILM the special effects team who where at the time the best in the world, some of those artists even clams that George Lucas himself coined the term during the production of empire strikes back
So how come they're still making failcrap stuff if it's just better to mould using plastic? They can't be saving *that* much, can they? If so, wouldn't they just stick to an entirely resin range?
I was referring to the origins of the word greebling, which did originate from the special effects team working on star wars although the technique had been used for years prior.
How often do you end up sticking that hobby knife into your hand!?! Man, it's like waiting for the bellboy from Hot Tub Time Machine, to lose his arm 😁
why have they not updated all the finecast models to plastic yet, you can get much better detail now and there's less of a chance of the model being crap xd
Finecast are what is left of GWs oldest catalog, models that came out in metal. a while back GW converted their metal manufacturing into resin and now their oldest models are available in resin. I don't think you can shop for just these models but it will say in the description if its a plastic or finecast resin kit.
Other then some of them being hard to to put together I’ve never got a fine cast that was not 100 % good from Gw now forge world have seen a bunch of stuff that was bad
I play Middle Earth, a lot of our range is metal and finecast. You have to learn to work with the material and make it look good where it looks bad, and not bitch too much about it. I'm not gonna request a new model when we're already the third wheel of GW, it'll just take longer.
The Primaris Outriders in Indomitus are molded so that their asses and such are part of the bike. They're push to fit stuff. Reliquary bones, by the way, tend to be finger bones or similar. Also fragments.
Resin sucks. It always has. The detail in modern plastic molds is extremely good. There’s no reason to buy resin. FW needs to get there shit together and just start making plastic. It wouldn’t be too expensive to swap their existing molds into plastic molds. I shouldn’t have to hand forge half of a gigantic model because it’s warped to all hell. “These models are for experts” is just a lazy excuse to not update their manufacturing process.
No, not true. I've seen several companies that sell lovely resin miniatures without any defects or very minor defects. Plastic is awesome but plastic molds are super-expensive so I don't know when or if we're ever going to see small batches of miniatures produced in plastic.
@@jamestipton7872 I haven't bought miniatures for a long time but I've got a couple of Hasslefree Miniatures resin figures in front of me right now - Tabitha, Raisa, and Boudi. They were expensive but they're perfect - the photos don't do justice to the sharpness of detail... but they were expensive. Also, did I mention they were expensive? I almost bought a couple of SodaPop resin figures, I didn't get a proper look at them but they seemed to be fine. hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~resin-masters-%252d-fantasy
You mean compared to plastic? The mould is significantly cheaper to make, and the overall cost can be less if you're not planning on producing a lot of minis from it. But you'll find GW using finecast for a lot of their former metal minis because I believe it's possible to convert their old metal moulds to work with finecast, so it's saved them the cost of resculpting the characters in plastic.
@@tim192837645 you're correct, molds for white metal minis and resin minis are made from silicon, and even though for white metal your need a silicon that is self-vulcanizing, you can still use this with resin casting. So when they were getting ready to phase out their white metal lines due to the rising cost of components, they decided to try and save a little money by reusing the molds with resin. Hence the birth of Fine Cast.
it does but also I would probably want a primaris butt in the seat, legacy marine legs are not going to be long enough to reach. and you can still clip the ass off.
Plastic Glue (actually more accurately cement) is a solvent that partially dissolves polystyrene plastic (what GW miniatures and more model kits are made out of) so that when you put the parts together you're not gluing them so much as chemically welding two pieces into one. However, it has no effect on anything that isn't made of polystyrene plastic which is why it won't work on resin or metal. Most of us in the hobby keep superglue around to have something to use on non-plastic minis.
It won't take plastic weld. I use this stuff called "scalecoat prodond" I use it to build my model railroad structures. It's supposed to be able to bond styrene, butyrate, abs, acrylic, lucite, or plexiglass but not this shit. Modeling CA barely worked for me, I had a hell of a time assembling a 3pc model! Mainly because it broke. Unbelievable. The model looks great but I don't intend on ordering anymore finecast, its far too brittle.
My Arjac RockFist came out with a squeezed-looking face and other details… but I expected it to come out looking bad as it made it a challenge. A challenge I’m not repeating!! Good luck with your Failcast - plenty fun carving out those details!
Finecast sucks i buy secend hand hornets and find them whit micro holes all over them, thats just stiupid to sell high bucks models whit so much holes.
'Finecast' is pure garbage. Always try and avoid buying anything that's 'finecast', (I use ' ' as there is nothing fine about it!). Find that the quality, texture, detail and even assembly are sub-par compared to GW's plastic range. The GW metal range isn't much better either. Stick to plastic GW!!!
Finecast resin holds sharper detail than metal, and I'd say it's still sharper than plastic. The problem is that GW's Finecast resin production had a rather low standard of quality control - quantity over quality. And to be honest, 99.999% of people who buy their miniatures don't prep or paint to a standard that it would particularly matter or that they would notice, so in terms of the business model, I wouldn't call Finecast a mistake - it's all about the $$$. I've seen a number of resin miniatures by other manufacturers that are at least as good as plastic, and even GW can't afford to make plastic molds for every miniature, so for a lot of uncommon figures your choice is going to be metal or resin.
@KawaZrana Just outsource what ever job you do to a third world country where they can get the work for the same or even better quality and cost half the price.
well....again a disappointment from gw. Stop making mono pose models. We need to be able to change parts and poses. GW is on a track of ending creativity and wants to sell models in a different pose...yeah nice try but NO cigar!
the chaplain on bike is actually less monopose than the current plastic bikes, both arms are separate, the head and torso are seperate, and ALL the decorations are separate and optional, and the other models I bought are all 90s models that where monopose metal, so your wrong?
Guilliman: What manner of monstrosity is this, Cawl?
Cawl: This is an improvement, my lord. His ass is fused with the bike. The perfect amalgamation of man and machine.
Guilliman: ...
SOUNDS LIKE HERESY, IF YOU ASK ME!
I avoid finecast tbh. I find it shocking that a company that sells a premium product has a policy of 'let the customer do the QC'. Some of the early finecast conversions from metal, particularly the thin ones like necrons, were ridiculously bad.
I just bought a thunderfire cannon unaware that it was a fine cast model because I love the idea of a massive stroller piece that's just a gatling cannon. The techmarine turned out more or less ok but the quality or lack thereof on the cannon just turned me off of any of GW's resin kits.
@@evanboeckh5033 can you believe they charged even more then the metal for the resin casts too.
Keep in mind (and I'm not defending GW here; I'm brand agnostic when it comes the hobby) that at the time they released Finecast they had a CEO who went on record stating the GW wasn't a game manufacturer but a purveyor of boutique collectibles. This is also the point where one or both of the components that make up the "white" metals used for miniatures had begun to steadily creep up; Finecast was basically a cost saving measure that allowed them to use the vulcanized silicone molds made for white metal with resin. That some of these molds were older and had started break down meant that there were going to be issues and, though I have no knowledge in regards to this, I suspect at least one person brought this up and it was "taken under advisement" which, as we all know, is bureaucratic speak for "duly noted, now shut your mouth".
I have their current Striking Scorpion Exarch, it's a very nice figure ruined by a several tiny pock marks and a glaring crater in his back, it's fixable. Then there was the box of half melted Dark Reapers, the left sides were all melted and the missile launchers looked like malformed sausages, why GW allowed that crap to go out the door is beyond me. I guess they were rushing to revamp the line plus they were working with an inferior material *(floor sweepings from a plastic factory and dried banana slugs)* and we get Fail Cast!
@@TheRunesmythe That's amazing! But what is vulcunized please?
The backpacks look like there from the 3rd edition space Marines , I believe
Those are the backpacks from the old tactical space marine sprues - I recognize them and yeah, the attached to the sprue top and bottom. Probably going back to 3rd or 4th ed.
3rd.
Your positivity is awesome and thanks for sharing your enjoyment of your new models. Keep the puns coming.
man the metal model brings back so many memories of playing as a kid. soooo many of them used to be metal. and back them i didnt prime anything so all the paint peeled off after like 3 days
"I didn't think they even made metal anymore"
Boy, the Ork Deffkopta would like a word with you
Also the Supreme Grand Master of the Dark Angels, Azrael and Ezekiel of the Dark Angels
@@Aaron-io8vw At least they still look somewhat serviceable. Sooner rather then later they'll get the primaris Treatment anyway.
Guard would also like to join the conversation
The fine cast minis were metal minis they added gates to and made the finecast moulds from. The insurance for stores got so crazy due to the value of the metals they were forced to suddenly create finecast to keep their brick and motar stores solvent/viable. GW uses spin moulds rather than vaccum casting that most resin based companies use, which is one of the rasons that the quality can suffer. The other was that due to demand, they were taking the still soft resin from the moulds too early due to the need to re-do all their stock. This created all the horrid warping you often see. It also didn't help that in their hurry they forgot to do any quality control. Years later though, the demand and need has died down and the quality is at least passable. Lastly, the backpacks were from the old tactical marine sprue, you just get a random one clipped off it.
"value of the metals"?
They were pewter, and selling for $1 US per figure, they weren't made of gold.
The Backpacks are likely from the 3rd Edition Space Marine box. X5 backpacks on a sprue with gates from 12 and 6 o clock on the sculpts. GW used to sell them as stand alone.
This.
I have never seen a space marine backpack that was not attached to the sprue like the two you got here. Every single Space marine kit I bought in 3rd-6th edition for my Thousand Sons or Ravenwing forces I built or the Recent Kill team I built just this past month with Mark III armour Marines EVERY SINGLE BACKPACK was EXACTLY ATTACHED LIKE YOURS HERE.
ahhh just my luck, every Space marine kit I have built, 5th edition and sixth edition tactical marines, deathwatch, and primaris have the sprue connected to the BALL of the backpack!
3:00 I actually have the metal version of that Chaplain Model still with the Crozius and power fist. I think it was from back around 5th edition give or take where outfitting troops had more freedom so you could double up on powerful melee weapons like that.
Timely, as I just spent a few hours last night assembling some fine cast tankbustas until I could no longer tell what was model detail and what was leftover support. It was a pretty dispiriting use of my hobby time.
what a wholesome unboxing. thanks for sharing with us
Funnily enough when I watch this I was waiting for my chaplain I ordered to arrive. I ordered the one with the jump pack
If you want the back pack sprue it is available in the armour through the ages set
My guess is that they had to dig really deep into their inventory to get this for you.
Those are old backpacks, that's how all mine were 10+ years ago (only just getting back into 40k). They're identical to my old ones I think.
Those are the old 3rd edition Space Marine power packs that used to come with all Space Marine boxes, and when I used to buy blister characters they were packed with even older power packs back then.
man i love jays humor. hes so dry. dryer than a desert
Have you painted the psyker yet? Really want to see the result. Same with the bike.
All 3 psyker options for guard are still metal, ratlings too, as well as the characters Harker, Straken, Pask. Commissar with powerfist, and the regimental advisers. I would like to have most of them, but I don't want metal.
I don’t know for how long GW have been selling boxes without any art on but it’s really grinding my gears considering lockdown. I remember hearing that the boxes cost more to make than the plastic so it’s obviously a cost saving strategy to mass produce the cheapest products but it’s genuinely ridiculous that at the current moment you literally cannot get models with box art for a lot of stuff they sell on the store
I had my first experience with fine cast when I ordered the Techmarine & servitors. It was a hole new way to clean figures, but what an awesome model.
When I got my finecast Kap Barukk from GW it was honestly one of the best casts I’ve gotten from them, the 2nd best was the weird boy resin kit
I bought the Commemorative Terminator Chaplain Tarentus a couple weeks ago, supposed to show up sometime in the next 128 days. Fingers crossed it turns out as nice as yours.
yeah that skull pauldron is sick as hell
The Backpack looks like it could be from a Sprue from the 90ies.
All my marines are that old lol I was about to say the same
I'm glad I'm not the only one who cavemans his way into boxes.
That little chaplain served me well for three years! 😂
Would a chaplain be in charge of any chaos tomes that the chapter may come across for later disposal. Or do they just chain down the codex astartes like that so no one may check the rules.
Being a new 40K’er I started Tau and started collecting my army and I really like the sprue models, never tried a finecast but I’m planning on getting the shadow sun in FC, but I got a few metal Krootox with kroot rider and OMG metal is HORRIBLE the details look all weird and the model didn’t fit together at all I have to green stuff the hell out of it , and just looks sloppy. Hoping finecast is a better experience i understand that the krrotox are older models too but wow can’t believe people perfer metal...
I have 2 finecast models. The Lord Commissar turned out well, but Commander Farsight is a mess.
The bones that Chaplin is carrying, are fallen space marine brothers, there's a chapter about this in the space marine codex, its so even in death they can serve
Did your dog survive the attack of the skunks?
Nope now they turned into Skunks
That Chaplin with the power fist is from back in 5th edition when a crozius was just a normal power weapon that was strength: user ignores armor, and the power fist went last but was strength: x2
Yeah, its all about the initiative change. Great vs tanks and monsters, but against something that was also going last the Crozius was your chance to remove a few models before taking any hits.
I got one of those Chaplains back in a while, and it had a different backpack. I also have a Space Marine sprue from 4th Edition, and it had the backpacks attached like that, on the top and the bottom. I guess they use the old mold for single pieces.
Backpacks always came like that in the 90s, I have lots of them packed away, if I remember right there were 6 on each sprue, some had vents, some were plain and some had skulls on the rear plate. I had both these chaplains made from metal years ago, I had them all, collected figures never gamed with them. I never liked failcast, especially when they first came out, very poor castings, guess I'm old school white metal. Started collecting these in 1986. Space marines mainly, I have a Black templar army and a Blood raven army, even got the old resin forgeword Thunderhawk in the loft. Stopped collecting 7 years ago when my daughter was born. Had no time to paint or room as my hobby room became her bedroom. Happy days. 👍
Isn't that what all back packs are like now? At least what I've seen i think its more annoying as the bottom bit is hard to cut imo
I don't know why that intro killed me
some of the minis i got from victoria miniatures comes with huge gates out of their feet
Greebles are used in all walks of model making, not just SW.
the word greeble was coined by the special effects team on Star Wars
@@minigamerjeonsofbattle9376 yes ILM, loads of behind the scenes footage of them coming out recently. Model makers have been greebling for 45 years, thanks in part to that team.
The website says "This blister contains one finely-detailed metal Primaris Psyker"
Hmmm... I might try buying the Primaris Chaplain on Bike chest from a bits seller online and use it to make a custom on foot Primaris Chaplain.
Baby saints must be a thing. Like toddlers charging into combat Against foul zenos or chaos terminators.
Think about the scale on those bones tho, he’s a 10ft tall primaris, those could be regular short guy human bones maybe not a femur but maybe a tibia or forearm bone
Really cool eBay finds. Since you're a Black Templar fan, has GW ever made a mini of Reclusiarch Grimaldus or is that a Forge World offering?
Greebling isn't something that originated from Star Wars...it's a general modeling term for small pieces just added to be details on it. You can go back to the old scifi serials and even display work to see them if you look at things there just to add detail where there would be.
The term greeble did originate from Star Wars, it was a term used the ILM the special effects team who where at the time the best in the world, some of those artists even clams that George Lucas himself coined the term during the production of empire strikes back
I've had resin from other companies with similar gating. It's just as annoying as you think.
i got those backpacks just from normal sets
I like the weight of that psyker, but found out the hard way that it helped break his staff on first drop 🤦
The first finecast i did had filler inside it. I.e. a freaking rubberband
Dude, that “key” is his rosarius lol 😂
Rosarius are usually the imperial equilla that one is a key that is a match for the lock on his book.
I see the confusion now!!! it is a classic rosarius gothic cross but hanging next to it is a tiny tiny key
I bought a harbinger of decay and the it was already broken in the pckage
So how come they're still making failcrap stuff if it's just better to mould using plastic? They can't be saving *that* much, can they? If so, wouldn't they just stick to an entirely resin range?
Backpacks were from styrene injected molded sprues not finecast
In all modeling or sculpting it's called greebling. Welcome to my word usage classes.
I was referring to the origins of the word greebling, which did originate from the special effects team working on star wars although the technique had been used for years prior.
@@EonsOfBattle Nice use of Google. Lol.
Mantic's resin casting blows GW's away
all backpacks where ike this in 4th edition when i recall correctly
Yep have these chaplains in metal thats all finecast are resin copys of old metal minis thats why the gates look like crap
My only experience with finecast is Masters of the Chapter, detail was great but the resin gates were terrible and hard to reach!
How often do you end up sticking that hobby knife into your hand!?! Man, it's like waiting for the bellboy from Hot Tub Time Machine, to lose his arm 😁
I've gotten many a nicked here and there over the years, but if your always working with a fresh blade it should cut down on accidents.
why have they not updated all the finecast models to plastic yet, you can get much better detail now and there's less of a chance of the model being crap xd
Primaris resin and one metal, I am so confused. At least the bike wasn't finecast, I like the bike.
Im sure space marines love being referred to as "cute"
As an ork player this does put a smile on my face.
Squishy humies!
what is finecast and how do you buy them?
Finecast are what is left of GWs oldest catalog, models that came out in metal. a while back GW converted their metal manufacturing into resin and now their oldest models are available in resin. I don't think you can shop for just these models but it will say in the description if its a plastic or finecast resin kit.
@@EonsOfBattle oh ok thank you
Other then some of them being hard to to put together I’ve never got a fine cast that was not 100 % good from Gw now forge world have seen a bunch of stuff that was bad
If it’s not metal it’s garbage
I play Middle Earth, a lot of our range is metal and finecast. You have to learn to work with the material and make it look good where it looks bad, and not bitch too much about it. I'm not gonna request a new model when we're already the third wheel of GW, it'll just take longer.
I never buy direct from GW, always buy second hand
The bones might be finger bones
The Primaris Outriders in Indomitus are molded so that their asses and such are part of the bike. They're push to fit stuff. Reliquary bones, by the way, tend to be finger bones or similar. Also fragments.
That bikes not going anywhere with two flat tires.
Resin sucks. It always has. The detail in modern plastic molds is extremely good. There’s no reason to buy resin. FW needs to get there shit together and just start making plastic. It wouldn’t be too expensive to swap their existing molds into plastic molds. I shouldn’t have to hand forge half of a gigantic model because it’s warped to all hell. “These models are for experts” is just a lazy excuse to not update their manufacturing process.
No, not true. I've seen several companies that sell lovely resin miniatures without any defects or very minor defects. Plastic is awesome but plastic molds are super-expensive so I don't know when or if we're ever going to see small batches of miniatures produced in plastic.
@@herculeholmes504 can you point me to those companies? im not doubting you. im just fucking done with resin lol.
@@jamestipton7872 I haven't bought miniatures for a long time but I've got a couple of Hasslefree Miniatures resin figures in front of me right now - Tabitha, Raisa, and Boudi. They were expensive but they're perfect - the photos don't do justice to the sharpness of detail... but they were expensive. Also, did I mention they were expensive?
I almost bought a couple of SodaPop resin figures, I didn't get a proper look at them but they seemed to be fine. hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~resin-masters-%252d-fantasy
What exactly is the advantage of finecast over normal sprues?
You mean compared to plastic? The mould is significantly cheaper to make, and the overall cost can be less if you're not planning on producing a lot of minis from it. But you'll find GW using finecast for a lot of their former metal minis because I believe it's possible to convert their old metal moulds to work with finecast, so it's saved them the cost of resculpting the characters in plastic.
@@tim192837645 ohhh that's what they are. I was wondering why they had the centrifugal layout.
@@tim192837645 you're correct, molds for white metal minis and resin minis are made from silicon, and even though for white metal your need a silicon that is self-vulcanizing, you can still use this with resin casting. So when they were getting ready to phase out their white metal lines due to the rising cost of components, they decided to try and save a little money by reusing the molds with resin. Hence the birth of Fine Cast.
Now here's a thing I really don't like about these asses on bikes (or horses) thing, it makes it harder to make conversions
it does but also I would probably want a primaris butt in the seat, legacy marine legs are not going to be long enough to reach. and you can still clip the ass off.
Cool. One thing that is weird about resin and fine cast is that it won't take plastic glue; it has to be superglue.
Plastic Glue (actually more accurately cement) is a solvent that partially dissolves polystyrene plastic (what GW miniatures and more model kits are made out of) so that when you put the parts together you're not gluing them so much as chemically welding two pieces into one. However, it has no effect on anything that isn't made of polystyrene plastic which is why it won't work on resin or metal. Most of us in the hobby keep superglue around to have something to use on non-plastic minis.
Plastic glue is not a glue, it is simply a solvent for polystyrene.
Plastic glue isn’t a glue, just a solvent to melt the specific type of plastic together.
It won't take plastic weld. I use this stuff called "scalecoat prodond" I use it to build my model railroad structures. It's supposed to be able to bond styrene, butyrate, abs, acrylic, lucite, or plexiglass but not this shit. Modeling CA barely worked for me, I had a hell of a time assembling a 3pc model! Mainly because it broke. Unbelievable. The model looks great but I don't intend on ordering anymore finecast, its far too brittle.
@@kylewells6871 you got me worried ! I just hope and pray Bob Smith Industries Insta + glue works on resin.
thumbs up just for the terrible dad joke.
I've bought better recasts of finecasts than the the actual finecasts I have. Raging heroes has gates that big ANd on important details. It sucks,.
My Arjac RockFist came out with a squeezed-looking face and other details… but I expected it to come out looking bad as it made it a challenge.
A challenge I’m not repeating!! Good luck with your Failcast - plenty fun carving out those details!
Metal Primaris?!?
Heresy.
Finecast feels so fragile and cheap. I wish all bits and conversion pieces where the regular plastic.
failcast
Finecast sucks i buy secend hand hornets and find them whit micro holes all over them, thats just stiupid to sell high bucks models whit so much holes.
'Finecast' is pure garbage. Always try and avoid buying anything that's 'finecast', (I use ' ' as there is nothing fine about it!). Find that the quality, texture, detail and even assembly are sub-par compared to GW's plastic range. The GW metal range isn't much better either. Stick to plastic GW!!!
Finecast resin holds sharper detail than metal, and I'd say it's still sharper than plastic. The problem is that GW's Finecast resin production had a rather low standard of quality control - quantity over quality. And to be honest, 99.999% of people who buy their miniatures don't prep or paint to a standard that it would particularly matter or that they would notice, so in terms of the business model, I wouldn't call Finecast a mistake - it's all about the $$$.
I've seen a number of resin miniatures by other manufacturers that are at least as good as plastic, and even GW can't afford to make plastic molds for every miniature, so for a lot of uncommon figures your choice is going to be metal or resin.
Cost GW penny's to make the plastic figs, sell them at crazy prices, your being ripped off.
I don't think it's a rip off because I know what I was buying. it is expensive though.
But you would be happy if you paid half the price they ask for.
@KawaZrana Just outsource what ever job you do to a third world country where they can get the work for the same or even better quality and cost half the price.
@KawaZrana And that's what employers will say when your career is outsourced to a third world country or robots.
This crap is super brittle and I don't like it.
well....again a disappointment from gw. Stop making mono pose models. We need to be able to change parts and poses. GW is on a track of ending creativity and wants to sell models in a different pose...yeah nice try but NO cigar!
the chaplain on bike is actually less monopose than the current plastic bikes, both arms are separate, the head and torso are seperate, and ALL the decorations are separate and optional, and the other models I bought are all 90s models that where monopose metal, so your wrong?